Guest guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Dear Rao Sahab, Thank you for the well meant advise. I shall remember this, Am still learning. For 20 Years I have done totally free astrology and the thoughts of asking fees never entered my mind. Ours is a business family and professions like these are looked down upon. It was only 3 years back that my Mantra guru from Bikaner,Rajasthan visited my place and ordered me strictly to charge Fees, and not copy a Sanyaasi. From then on I am trying my best but my old habits die hard and at times I am just not able to ask.' But i am also observing that disadvantages of doing free services are more then the adantages. yet I will continue to serve partly for free and partly for Fees, till I can. best wishes and regards, Bhaskar. , Rao Tammiraju <sreesai_ganesh wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, >  > there is a saying in telugu AHARAM DAGGARA VYAVAHARAM DAGGARA MOHAMATAM PADA KUDADU. i.e. in business dealings and on the dinner table we should not feel shy. otherwise we will suffer. either we shall fix a particular amount as fee for a particular service and treat this as a business or shall do it free. We feel shy to demand fee before the consultation and as a result, the clients exploit us, after consultation is over. you r giving service by using ur valuable time, money and knowledge and this is ur bread and butter. So we should not feel shy to demand the fixed charges for the services. if u r good they will come and pay. even psudo astrologers are earing lakhs now a days, then we need not worry about clients. >  > with regards, > T.R.RAO > 0409985963116 > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, arundhuti_dg arundhuti_dg wrote: > > > arundhuti_dg arundhuti_dg > Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meter > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 7:28 PM > > >  > > > > Bhaskarji: > > As VP of FOSMI hardly a day passes when some SME Unit or the other does not come with this or that problem. > > Some seek only advice, others intervention. > > Many of them are non-FOSMI members and have no claim on my time. But I am unable to turn them down. > > Barring a few exceptions the rest take my time / services for granted. When I myself need assistance these same people are too busy. > > Surprisingly, this does not inhibit them when they need me again! > > My observations are: (a) most people will take what they can if it is for free, and (b) very few people value what they can avail for free. > > Regards, > > Bhaskar DG > > > Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone > > > Bhaskar > Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:04:24 +0000 > <> > The Taxi meter > >  > > > The Taxi Meter >  > Dear Friends, >  > This is not a story I am relating but something weighing on my mind. >  > In Bombay the Taxis earn more money by transporting people from one destination to another, than other towns and villages, and the mimimum fare is Rs.13- and if one travels at average speed of 30-40 kms per hr, then after an hours travelling one needs to pay around Rs.125-150 to the Taxi Driver. >  > But this does not mean that The Taxi Driver is earning Rs.125-150 for each of the 12 hours he is sitting in the Taxi, because it is not necessary that he gets an passenger immediately after the previous one leaves. >  > But this also remains a fact that for one hour of travelling he still earns this much, once his meter has been put down after taking the passenger inside his cab. >  > This same principle applies to Astrologers. I take pride in my Knowledge and expertise. My Consultation charges for 1 hour is mentioned on my website as Rs.5000- This does not mean that I am earning this much for every hour of the day I am awake, but when a customer comes in, the watch starts ticking, like theTaxi meter. >  > Today evening an old client from London called me on my phone and spoke to me for 52 minutes about his and his wives chart and whatever queries he had put up. I did not ask him for advance since he is a good man , and I had told him that you may pay me after the consultation is over. I know he is a good man due to past experience wth him. Well today after the consultations were over, he asked me how much Fees must he deposit. I replied to him, " whatever you may feel appropriate " . Okay matter closed. >  > Sometime back he visited me on my chat and expressed his inability to transfer tonight due to being Non-Banking hours or whatever. I said no issues. He replied that he would do it on Monday. I said. Okay . Then before parting he shot me another line - Rs.500 would be okay ? Now this really made me sad. (I dont come cheap. Its either free or My defined Fees.) I did not wish to hurt this gentleman so I replied back that I dont need Fees now, and you better not send me presently but I will take a good amount after your new business is set up and you earn well from same. He is already working and actualy wanted to open some side business. >  > Well dear friends, all I must say, is that my time is not valued cheaply, and if someone wishes to call me and consult me on phone, then he better pay me my Fees in accordance with my Charges. Or else not. I have spent almost everyday in reading and studying astrology, after turning a teenager for last 30 years. And have high regards for my own education here, though of course there is no limit to study and one can learn for 100 Life times and yet not be good in this subject. >  > Another thing is that once a Client pays to a astrologer his Fees, then it seems he has purchased the Astrologer for Life time. (Not talking about above case. This gentleman is a very refined man) . He expects the astrologer to answer him everytime whenever he calls him at his beck and call during the year. Please note that when we go to meet other professionals we have to pay Fees every time on every visit. But why must Astrologers be singled out and treated shabbily ? >  > The above mail is just to express my thoughts and remind the readers that astrologers like me have spent a Life time in study and now in the 4th quarter of our Lives, we are justified in demanding what we feel is appropriate. So we must not be taken for granted. >  > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Dear Tammirajuji: Thanks. But first let me clarify identity. I am not Astrologer Bhaskarji of Mumbai but his namesake Businessman Bhaskar DG of Kolkata. Bhaskarji is temporarily off the internet. He will resume shortly. Let us wait for him to do so.Secondly,Tammirajuji, a VP of the Federation is an elected Office Bearer. He is duty bound to help (member) SME entrprenuers. But not non-members. I don't expect money in return by way of fees for doing so. But in my own business I also need help (not monetary) from time to time. I was deploring the fact that most of those whom I help out, often at considerable personal cost, do not reciprocate in my hour of need. Many years ago, in the early 70s, I happened to come accross a book by the name of ASIAN DRAMA by a Swedish Noble Laureate Economist. In the preface to the book the author wrote that he had travelled all over the world in course of his researches but his experience of the Indian Sub-continent was unique. Almost no one he met was prepared to succeed by perseverence, by hard labour. Instead, almost everybody was looking for shortcuts to get rich quickly. The irony is you can't fool all people all the time. There is no sustitute for sincerity, integrity, dedication, honest toil. Bhaskarji is saddened because people are constantly trying to get the benefit of his knowledge, his labours, by unscruplous means. Sorry for carrying on at such length but Bhaskarji is like a younger brother to me.Regards, Bhaskar DG Sent on my BlackBerry® from VodafoneRao Tammiraju Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:17:54 +0530 (IST)Re: Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meter Dear Bhaskarji, there is a saying in telugu AHARAM DAGGARA VYAVAHARAM DAGGARA MOHAMATAM PADA KUDADU. i.e. in business dealings and on the dinner table we should not feel shy. otherwise we will suffer. either we shall fix a particular amount as fee for a particular service and treat this as a business or shall do it free. We feel shy to demand fee before the consultation and as a result, the clients exploit us, after consultation is over. you r giving service by using ur valuable time, money and knowledge and this is ur bread and butter. So we should not feel shy to demand the fixed charges for the services. if u r good they will come and pay. even psudo astrologers are earing lakhs now a days, then we need not worry about clients. with regards,T.R.RAO0409985963116 --- On Sun, 2/8/09, arundhuti_dg (AT) vsnl (DOT) net <arundhuti_dg (AT) vsnl (DOT) net> wrote:arundhuti_dg (AT) vsnl (DOT) net <arundhuti_dg (AT) vsnl (DOT) .net>Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meter Date: Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 7:28 PM Bhaskarji: As VP of FOSMI hardly a day passes when some SME Unit or the other does not come with this or that problem. Some seek only advice, others intervention. Many of them are non-FOSMI members and have no claim on my time. But I am unable to turn them down. Barring a few exceptions the rest take my time / services for granted. When I myself need assistance these same people are too busy. Surprisingly, this does not inhibit them when they need me again! My observations are: (a) most people will take what they can if it is for free, and (b) very few people value what they can avail for free. Regards, Bhaskar DG Sent on my BlackBerry® from VodafoneBhaskar Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:04:24 +0000<> The Taxi meter The Taxi Meter Dear Friends, This is not a story I am relating but something weighing on my mind. In Bombay the Taxis earn more money by transporting people from one destination to another, than other towns and villages, and the mimimum fare is Rs.13- and if one travels at average speed of 30-40 kms per hr, then after an hours travelling one needs to pay around Rs.125-150 to the Taxi Driver. But this does not mean that The Taxi Driver is earning Rs.125-150 for each of the 12 hours he is sitting in the Taxi, because it is not necessary that he gets an passenger immediately after the previous one leaves. But this also remains a fact that for one hour of travelling he still earns this much, once his meter has been put down after taking the passenger inside his cab. This same principle applies to Astrologers.. I take pride in my Knowledge and expertise. My Consultation charges for 1 hour is mentioned on my website as Rs.5000- This does not mean that I am earning this much for every hour of the day I am awake, but when a customer comes in, the watch starts ticking, like theTaxi meter. Today evening an old client from London called me on my phone and spoke to me for 52 minutes about his and his wives chart and whatever queries he had put up. I did not ask him for advance since he is a good man , and I had told him that you may pay me after the consultation is over. I know he is a good man due to past experience wth him. Well today after the consultations were over, he asked me how much Fees must he deposit. I replied to him, " whatever you may feel appropriate ". Okay matter closed. Sometime back he visited me on my chat and expressed his inability to transfer tonight due to being Non-Banking hours or whatever. I said no issues. He replied that he would do it on Monday. I said. Okay . Then before parting he shot me another line - Rs.500 would be okay ? Now this really made me sad. (I dont come cheap. Its either free or My defined Fees.) I did not wish to hurt this gentleman so I replied back that I dont need Fees now, and you better not send me presently but I will take a good amount after your new business is set up and you earn well from same. He is already working and actualy wanted to open some side business. Well dear friends, all I must say, is that my time is not valued cheaply, and if someone wishes to call me and consult me on phone, then he better pay me my Fees in accordance with my Charges. Or else not. I have spent almost everyday in reading and studying astrology, after turning a teenager for last 30 years. And have high regards for my own education here, though of course there is no limit to study and one can learn for 100 Life times and yet not be good in this subject. Another thing is that once a Client pays to a astrologer his Fees, then it seems he has purchased the Astrologer for Life time. (Not talking about above case. This gentleman is a very refined man) . He expects the astrologer to answer him everytime whenever he calls him at his beck and call during the year. Please note that when we go to meet other professionals we have to pay Fees every time on every visit. But why must Astrologers be singled out and treated shabbily ? The above mail is just to express my thoughts and remind the readers that astrologers like me have spent a Life time in study and now in the 4th quarter of our Lives, we are justified in demanding what we feel is appropriate. So we must not be taken for granted. best wishes,Bhaskar. Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Dear ,  This is a wicked world. We are in Kaliyug. The moment u step out, people are ready to exploit u,. that to, if u r an altruist, they will exploit to the maximum. 99% of the people esp. in India are selfish i.e. they know taking only and no giving Our .elders told us that we should not help those who does not deserve it. One who does not know giving does not deserve taking also. I used to write in my palk DONT HELP with a marker before going out till i got habituated to this pattern.  We should protect ourselves, our family members from these selfish elements.. u will find these elements every where, in yr friends, colleagues, relatives and surroundings.  Please be careful and follow this advice given by an elderly astrologer (i am 55 years old and seen a lot of this world and learnt a  lot from these selfish people). with regards, T.R.RAO On Mon, 3/8/09, arundhuti_dg <arundhuti_dg wrote: arundhuti_dg <arundhuti_dg Re: Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meter Monday, 3 August, 2009, 2:32 AM  Dear Tammirajuji: Thanks. But first let me clarify identity. I am not Astrologer Bhaskarji of Mumbai but his namesake Businessman Bhaskar DG of Kolkata. Bhaskarji is temporarily off the internet. He will resume shortly. Let us wait for him to do so. Secondly,Tammirajuj i, a VP of the Federation is an elected Office Bearer. He is duty bound to help (member) SME entrprenuers. But not non-members. I don't expect money in return by way of fees for doing so. But in my own business I also need help (not monetary) from time to time. I was deploring the fact that most of those whom I help out, often at considerable personal cost, do not reciprocate in my hour of need. Many years ago, in the early 70s, I happened to come accross a book by the name of ASIAN DRAMA by a Swedish Noble Laureate Economist. In the preface to the book the author wrote that he had travelled all over the world in course of his researches but his experience of the Indian Sub-continent was unique. Almost no one he met was prepared to succeed by perseverence, by hard labour. Instead, almost everybody was looking for shortcuts to get rich quickly. The irony is you can't fool all people all the time. There is no sustitute for sincerity, integrity, dedication, honest toil. Bhaskarji is saddened because people are constantly trying to get the benefit of his knowledge, his labours, by unscruplous means. Sorry for carrying on at such length but Bhaskarji is like a younger brother to me. Regards, Bhaskar DG Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone Rao Tammiraju Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:17:54 +0530 (IST) <> Re: Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meter  Dear Bhaskarji,  there is a saying in telugu AHARAM DAGGARA VYAVAHARAM DAGGARA MOHAMATAM PADA KUDADU. i.e. in business dealings and on the dinner table we should not feel shy. otherwise we will suffer. either we shall fix a particular amount as fee for a particular service and treat this as a business or shall do it free. We feel shy to demand fee before the consultation and as a result, the clients exploit us, after consultation is over. you r giving service by using ur valuable time, money and knowledge and this is ur bread and butter. So we should not feel shy to demand the fixed charges for the services. if u r good they will come and pay. even psudo astrologers are earing lakhs now a days, then we need not worry about clients.  with regards, T.R.RAO 0409985963116 --- On Sun, 2/8/09, arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net <arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net> wrote: arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net <arundhuti_dg@ vsnl..net> Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meter Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 7:28 PM  Bhaskarji: As VP of FOSMI hardly a day passes when some SME Unit or the other does not come with this or that problem. Some seek only advice, others intervention. Many of them are non-FOSMI members and have no claim on my time. But I am unable to turn them down. Barring a few exceptions the rest take my time / services for granted. When I myself need assistance these same people are too busy. Surprisingly, this does not inhibit them when they need me again! My observations are: (a) most people will take what they can if it is for free, and (b) very few people value what they can avail for free. Regards, Bhaskar DG Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone Bhaskar Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:04:24 +0000 <> The Taxi meter  The Taxi Meter  Dear Friends,  This is not a story I am relating but something weighing on my mind.  In Bombay the Taxis earn more money by transporting people from one destination to another, than other towns and villages, and the mimimum fare is Rs.13- and if one travels at average speed of 30-40 kms per hr, then after an hours travelling one needs to pay around Rs.125-150 to the Taxi Driver.  But this does not mean that The Taxi Driver is earning Rs.125-150 for each of the 12 hours he is sitting in the Taxi, because it is not necessary that he gets an passenger immediately after the previous one leaves.  But this also remains a fact that for one hour of travelling he still earns this much, once his meter has been put down after taking the passenger inside his cab.  This same principle applies to Astrologers. . I take pride in my Knowledge and expertise. My Consultation charges for 1 hour is mentioned on my website as Rs.5000- This does not mean that I am earning this much for every hour of the day I am awake, but when a customer comes in, the watch starts ticking, like theTaxi meter.  Today evening an old client from London called me on my phone and spoke to me for 52 minutes about his and his wives chart and whatever queries he had put up. I did not ask him for advance since he is a good man , and I had told him that you may pay me after the consultation is over. I know he is a good man due to past experience wth him. Well today after the consultations were over, he asked me how much Fees must he deposit. I replied to him, " whatever you may feel appropriate " . Okay matter closed.  Sometime back he visited me on my chat and expressed his inability to transfer tonight due to being Non-Banking hours or whatever. I said no issues. He replied that he would do it on Monday. I said. Okay . Then before parting he shot me another line - Rs.500 would be okay ? Now this really made me sad. (I dont come cheap. Its either free or My defined Fees.) I did not wish to hurt this gentleman so I replied back that I dont need Fees now, and you better not send me presently but I will take a good amount after your new business is set up and you earn well from same. He is already working and actualy wanted to open some side business.  Well dear friends, all I must say, is that my time is not valued cheaply, and if someone wishes to call me and consult me on phone, then he better pay me my Fees in accordance with my Charges. Or else not. I have spent almost everyday in reading and studying astrology, after turning a teenager for last 30 years. And have high regards for my own education here, though of course there is no limit to study and one can learn for 100 Life times and yet not be good in this subject.  Another thing is that once a Client pays to a astrologer his Fees, then it seems he has purchased the Astrologer for Life time. (Not talking about above case. This gentleman is a very refined man) . He expects the astrologer to answer him everytime whenever he calls him at his beck and call during the year. Please note that when we go to meet other professionals we have to pay Fees every time on every visit. But why must Astrologers be singled out and treated shabbily ?  The above mail is just to express my thoughts and remind the readers that astrologers like me have spent a Life time in study and now in the 4th quarter of our Lives, we are justified in demanding what we feel is appropriate. So we must not be taken for granted.  best wishes, Bhaskar. Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Hi Mr Rao, Sorry But I have to say that everyone is not like that. "in India are selfish i.e. they know taking only and no giving Our .elders told us that we should not help those who does not deserve it." You are talking about our elders who (Almost 99%) give everything to their children but how many get back from them? No one lives in same condition. Everyone is living their life in different way. It looks like in your life you haven't met anyone who has given you something for nothing. Thanks & Regards, Manoj Kumar Rao Tammiraju <sreesai_ganesh Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 1:31:36Re: Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meter Dear , This is a wicked world. We are in Kaliyug. The moment u step out, people are ready to exploit u,. that to, if u r an altruist, they will exploit to the maximum. 99% of the people esp. in India are selfish i.e. they know taking only and no giving Our .elders told us that we should not help those who does not deserve it. One who does not know giving does not deserve taking also. I used to write in my palk DONT HELP with a marker before going out till i got habituated to this pattern. We should protect ourselves, our family members from these selfish elements.. u will find these elements every where, in yr friends, colleagues, relatives and surroundings. Please be careful and follow this advice given by an elderly astrologer (i am 55 years old and seen a lot of this world and learnt a  lot from these selfish people).with regards,T.R.RAOOn Mon, 3/8/09, arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net <arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net> wrote:arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net <arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net>Re: Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meterMonday, 3 August, 2009, 2:32 AM Dear Tammirajuji: Thanks. But first let me clarify identity. I am not Astrologer Bhaskarji of Mumbai but his namesake Businessman Bhaskar DG of Kolkata. Bhaskarji is temporarily off the internet. He will resume shortly. Let us wait for him to do so.Secondly,Tammirajuj i, a VP of the Federation is an elected Office Bearer. He is duty bound to help (member) SME entrprenuers. But not non-members. I don't expect money in return by way of fees for doing so. But in my own business I also need help (not monetary) from time to time. I was deploring the fact that most of those whom I help out, often at considerable personal cost, do not reciprocate in my hour of need. Many years ago, in the early 70s, I happened to come accross a book by the name of ASIAN DRAMA by a Swedish Noble Laureate Economist. In the preface to the book the author wrote that he had travelled all over the world in course of his researches but his experience of the Indian Sub-continent was unique. Almost no one he met was prepared to succeed by perseverence, by hard labour. Instead, almost everybody was looking for shortcuts to get rich quickly. The irony is you can't fool all people all the time. There is no sustitute for sincerity, integrity, dedication, honest toil. Bhaskarji is saddened because people are constantly trying to get the benefit of his knowledge, his labours, by unscruplous means. Sorry for carrying on at such length but Bhaskarji is like a younger brother to me.Regards, Bhaskar DG Sent on my BlackBerry® from VodafoneRao Tammiraju Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:17:54 +0530 (IST)<>Re: Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meter Dear Bhaskarji, there is a saying in telugu AHARAM DAGGARA VYAVAHARAM DAGGARA MOHAMATAM PADA KUDADU. i.e. in business dealings and on the dinner table we should not feel shy. otherwise we will suffer. either we shall fix a particular amount as fee for a particular service and treat this as a business or shall do it free. We feel shy to demand fee before the consultation and as a result, the clients exploit us, after consultation is over. you r giving service by using ur valuable time, money and knowledge and this is ur bread and butter. So we should not feel shy to demand the fixed charges for the services. if u r good they will come and pay. even psudo astrologers are earing lakhs now a days, then we need not worry about clients.  with regards,T.R.RAO0409985963116 --- On Sun, 2/8/09, arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net <arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net> wrote:arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net <arundhuti_dg@ vsnl..net>Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meterSunday, 2 August, 2009, 7:28 PM Bhaskarji: As VP of FOSMI hardly a day passes when some SME Unit or the other does not come with this or that problem. Some seek only advice, others intervention. Many of them are non-FOSMI members and have no claim on my time. But I am unable to turn them down. Barring a few exceptions the rest take my time / services for granted. When I myself need assistance these same people are too busy. Surprisingly, this does not inhibit them when they need me again! My observations are: (a) most people will take what they can if it is for free, and (b) very few people value what they can avail for free. Regards, Bhaskar DG Sent on my BlackBerry® from VodafoneBhaskar Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:04:24 +0000<> The Taxi meter The Taxi Meter Dear Friends, This is not a story I am relating but something weighing on my mind. In Bombay the Taxis earn more money by transporting people from one destination to another, than other towns and villages, and the mimimum fare is Rs.13- and if one travels at average speed of 30-40 kms per hr, then after an hours travelling one needs to pay around Rs.125-150 to the Taxi Driver. But this does not mean that The Taxi Driver is earning Rs.125-150 for each of the 12 hours he is sitting in the Taxi, because it is not necessary that he gets an passenger immediately after the previous one leaves.  But this also remains a fact that for one hour of travelling he still earns this much, once his meter has been put down after taking the passenger inside his cab. This same principle applies to Astrologers. . I take pride in my Knowledge and expertise. My Consultation charges for 1 hour is mentioned on my website as Rs.5000- This does not mean that I am earning this much for every hour of the day I am awake, but when a customer comes in, the watch starts ticking, like theTaxi meter. Today evening an old client from London called me on my phone and spoke to me for 52 minutes about his and his wives chart and whatever queries he had put up. I did not ask him for advance since he is a good man , and I had told him that you may pay me after the consultation is over. I know he is a good man due to past experience wth him. Well today after the consultations were over, he asked me how much Fees must he deposit. I replied to him, " whatever you may feel appropriate ". Okay matter closed.  Sometime back he visited me on my chat and expressed his inability to transfer tonight due to being Non-Banking hours or whatever. I said no issues. He replied that he would do it on Monday. I said. Okay . Then before parting he shot me another line - Rs.500 would be okay ? Now this really made me sad. (I dont come cheap. Its either free or My defined Fees.) I did not wish to hurt this gentleman so I replied back that I dont need Fees now, and you better not send me presently but I will take a good amount after your new business is set up and you earn well from same. He is already working and actualy wanted to open some side business.  Well dear friends, all I must say, is that my time is not valued cheaply, and if someone wishes to call me and consult me on phone, then he better pay me my Fees in accordance with my Charges. Or else not. I have spent almost everyday in reading and studying astrology, after turning a teenager for last 30 years. And have high regards for my own education here, though of course there is no limit to study and one can learn for 100 Life times and yet not be good in this subject.  Another thing is that once a Client pays to a astrologer his Fees, then it seems he has purchased the Astrologer for Life time. (Not talking about above case. This gentleman is a very refined man) . He expects the astrologer to answer him everytime whenever he calls him at his beck and call during the year. Please note that when we go to meet other professionals we have to pay Fees every time on every visit. But why must Astrologers be singled out and treated shabbily ?  The above mail is just to express my thoughts and remind the readers that astrologers like me have spent a Life time in study and now in the 4th quarter of our Lives, we are justified in demanding what we feel is appropriate. So we must not be taken for granted. best wishes,Bhaskar.Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Rao Saheb: In addressing you I emulate my namesake Bhaskarji. Thank you for your sagacious advice. How right you are! Alas Aquarians are prone to altruism. I am 56 but still learning. To learn for some of us neccesiates un-learning. To un-learn one must subjugate one's ego. For the wise every moment is a learning oppurtunity. Knowledge abounds in nature: "Behold the lilies in the field, they toil not neither they do they spin but Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed as one of these." Unfortunately, "There are none so blind as those who will not see.The hardest thing to open in the world is a closed mind." I try to follow the discourse in the Group. I idelete the banal. Amongst the residue there remains much food for thought. Members turn to respected Astrologers for guidance taking pain to explain the why and wherefore. If one is discerning one can take lesson from trials and tribulations of others.To have made acquaintance of Bhaskarji and now your goodself. I am richer for it. I hope we will continue to interact in the Group. You have much to teach. The likes of me much to learn.In all humility,Bhaskar DG Sent on my BlackBerry® from VodafoneRao Tammiraju Mon, 03 Aug 2009 06:01:36 +0530 (IST)Re: Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meter Dear ,  This is a wicked world. We are in Kaliyug. The moment u step out, people are ready to exploit u,. that to, if u r an altruist, they will exploit to the maximum. 99% of the people esp. in India are selfish i.e. they know taking only and no giving Our .elders told us that we should not help those who does not deserve it. One who does not know giving does not deserve taking also. I used to write in my palk DONT HELP with a marker before going out till i got habituated to this pattern.  We should protect ourselves, our family members from these selfish elements.. u will find these elements every where, in yr friends, colleagues, relatives and surroundings.  Please be careful and follow this advice given by an elderly astrologer (i am 55 years old and seen a lot of this world and learnt a  lot from these selfish people). with regards, T.R.RAO On Mon, 3/8/09, arundhuti_dg (AT) vsnl (DOT) net <arundhuti_dg (AT) vsnl (DOT) net> wrote: arundhuti_dg (AT) vsnl (DOT) net <arundhuti_dg (AT) vsnl (DOT) net> Re: Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meter Monday, 3 August, 2009, 2:32 AM  Dear Tammirajuji: Thanks. But first let me clarify identity. I am not Astrologer Bhaskarji of Mumbai but his namesake Businessman Bhaskar DG of Kolkata. Bhaskarji is temporarily off the internet. He will resume shortly. Let us wait for him to do so. Secondly,Tammirajuj i, a VP of the Federation is an elected Office Bearer. He is duty bound to help (member) SME entrprenuers. But not non-members. I don't expect money in return by way of fees for doing so. But in my own business I also need help (not monetary) from time to time. I was deploring the fact that most of those whom I help out, often at considerable personal cost, do not reciprocate in my hour of need. Many years ago, in the early 70s, I happened to come accross a book by the name of ASIAN DRAMA by a Swedish Noble Laureate Economist. In the preface to the book the author wrote that he had travelled all over the world in course of his researches but his experience of the Indian Sub-continent was unique. Almost no one he met was prepared to succeed by perseverence, by hard labour. Instead, almost everybody was looking for shortcuts to get rich quickly. The irony is you can't fool all people all the time. There is no sustitute for sincerity, integrity, dedication, honest toil. Bhaskarji is saddened because people are constantly trying to get the benefit of his knowledge, his labours, by unscruplous means. Sorry for carrying on at such length but Bhaskarji is like a younger brother to me. Regards, Bhaskar DG Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone Rao Tammiraju Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:17:54 +0530 (IST) <> Re: Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meter  Dear Bhaskarji,  there is a saying in telugu AHARAM DAGGARA VYAVAHARAM DAGGARA MOHAMATAM PADA KUDADU. i.e. in business dealings and on the dinner table we should not feel shy. otherwise we will suffer. either we shall fix a particular amount as fee for a particular service and treat this as a business or shall do it free. We feel shy to demand fee before the consultation and as a result, the clients exploit us, after consultation is over. you r giving service by using ur valuable time, money and knowledge and this is ur bread and butter. So we should not feel shy to demand the fixed charges for the services. if u r good they will come and pay. even psudo astrologers are earing lakhs now a days, then we need not worry about clients.  with regards, T.R.RAO 0409985963116 --- On Sun, 2/8/09, arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net <arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net> wrote: arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net <arundhuti_dg@ vsnl..net> Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meter Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 7:28 PM  Bhaskarji: As VP of FOSMI hardly a day passes when some SME Unit or the other does not come with this or that problem. Some seek only advice, others intervention. Many of them are non-FOSMI members and have no claim on my time. But I am unable to turn them down. Barring a few exceptions the rest take my time / services for granted. When I myself need assistance these same people are too busy. Surprisingly, this does not inhibit them when they need me again! My observations are: (a) most people will take what they can if it is for free, and (b) very few people value what they can avail for free. Regards, Bhaskar DG Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone Bhaskar Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:04:24 +0000 <> The Taxi meter  The Taxi Meter  Dear Friends,  This is not a story I am relating but something weighing on my mind.  In Bombay the Taxis earn more money by transporting people from one destination to another, than other towns and villages, and the mimimum fare is Rs.13- and if one travels at average speed of 30-40 kms per hr, then after an hours travelling one needs to pay around Rs.125-150 to the Taxi Driver.  But this does not mean that The Taxi Driver is earning Rs.125-150 for each of the 12 hours he is sitting in the Taxi, because it is not necessary that he gets an passenger immediately after the previous one leaves.  But this also remains a fact that for one hour of travelling he still earns this much, once his meter has been put down after taking the passenger inside his cab.  This same principle applies to Astrologers. . I take pride in my Knowledge and expertise. My Consultation charges for 1 hour is mentioned on my website as Rs.5000- This does not mean that I am earning this much for every hour of the day I am awake, but when a customer comes in, the watch starts ticking, like theTaxi meter.  Today evening an old client from London called me on my phone and spoke to me for 52 minutes about his and his wives chart and whatever queries he had put up. I did not ask him for advance since he is a good man , and I had told him that you may pay me after the consultation is over. I know he is a good man due to past experience wth him. Well today after the consultations were over, he asked me how much Fees must he deposit. I replied to him, " whatever you may feel appropriate " . Okay matter closed.  Sometime back he visited me on my chat and expressed his inability to transfer tonight due to being Non-Banking hours or whatever. I said no issues. He replied that he would do it on Monday. I said. Okay . Then before parting he shot me another line - Rs.500 would be okay ? Now this really made me sad. (I dont come cheap. Its either free or My defined Fees.) I did not wish to hurt this gentleman so I replied back that I dont need Fees now, and you better not send me presently but I will take a good amount after your new business is set up and you earn well from same. He is already working and actualy wanted to open some side business.  Well dear friends, all I must say, is that my time is not valued cheaply, and if someone wishes to call me and consult me on phone, then he better pay me my Fees in accordance with my Charges. Or else not. I have spent almost everyday in reading and studying astrology, after turning a teenager for last 30 years. And have high regards for my own education here, though of course there is no limit to study and one can learn for 100 Life times and yet not be good in this subject.  Another thing is that once a Client pays to a astrologer his Fees, then it seems he has purchased the Astrologer for Life time. (Not talking about above case. This gentleman is a very refined man) . He expects the astrologer to answer him everytime whenever he calls him at his beck and call during the year. Please note that when we go to meet other professionals we have to pay Fees every time on every visit. But why must Astrologers be singled out and treated shabbily ?  The above mail is just to express my thoughts and remind the readers that astrologers like me have spent a Life time in study and now in the 4th quarter of our Lives, we are justified in demanding what we feel is appropriate. So we must not be taken for granted.  best wishes, Bhaskar. Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Dear Rao and Manoj ji,I agree with Shri Manoji that "everyone is not selfish". I would like to share my own experience. This is really a great experience in my life and I am always thankful to the God that I could help someone who really needed the help. Dear friends, I am not sharing this experience to show my greatness or altruism but just to make an humble request to all the members to "Plz help the people who really deserve it. Ask your consience, your inner soul if the person really needs the help and you will get the right answer".This is a little long incident but I would request members to please read it.This incident happened two years back in June 2007. I was deputed to Banglore for a project assignment for a period of three months. (I work as a Software professional in Pune and now in USA since July 2007). In Banglore I was staying in a hotel located in Vasanth Nagar (very close to Shivaji Nagar and Cantonment railway station). I remember that it was a Friday evening around 7:00 pm when I finished my work in the office and was heading towards my hotel. On the way, I realized that I am running out of cash and had no money for Saturday morning breakfast. In Banglore, I usaully never go to the ATM to withdraw money in the evening. Because the ATM was almost 1 km from my hotel and it was located on the main road that connects Vasanth nagar to Shivaji nagar. This road is full of traffic in the evening and it takes almost 8-10 minutes to cross this road. But since I was running out of cash, I decided to go the ATM before going back to the hotel. So I started walking along the sidewalk. I would have hardly cover 100 feet and a voice strucked my ears. It was Marathi voice. ( I am also Marathi)."Saheb...wo saheb... aika.." ( meaning "Sir .... please listen"). I wondered who would ask for a help in Marathi in a Kannad city like Banglore. I stopped and responded back to the Man. He was alone. "Bola..kaay zala" ( meaning "tell me what's the matter"). He told me that he was travelling to some Temple in South along with his wife and a newborn baby. He was accompanied with his cousing brother and his wife. He further told me that they were travelling in the General compartment of a train where someone has stollen their bags and he lost all the money. He asked me for the help/money. I didn't believe him ( no one either would ). So I asked him where are his relatives and his wife and the kid. He told me that they are also wondering on the street seeking for help but nobody is ready to help them. Then I asked why didn't u go to the police station. He said that he did but the major problem is that he can speak only Marathi because he is a farmer from very poor village from Aurangabaad district. I still didn't believe him. Anyways I did not have any cash to give him. So I said "I am sorry, I could not help you". The man was very disappointed and felt very sad. Then he started begging. I told him that I had no money to give him and he had to wait for 15 minutes so that I can get some money for him. Then I left him there and took my way to the ATM. I was thinking very seriously about the man. I was asking myself "Is the man really in trouble? Should I help him and give some money?" On the way further, on the other side of the road, I saw another couple going shop by shop, person to person and asking for help. Then I realized the man was not lying. I rushed to the ATM so that I could get some cash and help them. It took me 10-15 minutes at ATM in the queue. Then finally I got the cash and headed back to the road where I saw the Man.But alas, the man and the other couple was not there. I felt very bad. The road was full of traffic and there was no way that I can see any of them. I started looking around. But of no use. Then I decided to cross the road. I went on the other side. It took me atleast 6-7 minutes to get there. But I still could not see them. I was dispponted. I thought that I was really very harsh and should have asked the man to come with me at ATM and it is too late now. I kept walking along the road and took a left turn at the crossing towards my hotel and........ and I saw the two couples walking along the road. The same man and a lady with a newborn in her hands. I rushed to them.The man and women again started begging. I asked them "please stop this....I am going to help you....". The man told me that they were wondering on the streets of Banglore for the whole day and nobody helped them nor even Police. Since none of them could even speak Hindi so nobody listen/understand them. They did not even have enough money to call someone in their village. Then the man asked me that he just needs money to buy the four train tickets almost Rs.200 each to go back to their home.. He said that they have a train at 11:00 at night and if they can't make it then they will have to wait for one entire day. The man said "Sir, please help us...please give us ur address and I will return all ur money...."I gave him Rs.800 and told him that I don't need the money back from him. After lot of blessings the two couples disappear and I went to my hotel.But after reaching the hotel I realized that I have done a mistake. I had given them just Rs.800. The man had also told me that they didn't eat anything for almost 24 hours. I should have given him some more money for the food. But this time it was really too late.So that was the experience. Did I really did a big thing by just giving Rs.800 to someone who really needed it? No. It was my first duty.. 800 was not a big amount for me. I used to get Rs 700 per day allowance apart from my Salary. I am happy that I could help the people who really were in need. I thank God for sending me to help them.And this is what all the Respected Astrologers in our group are doing here. They are helping out the people who need help to tackle the problems in their life.Thanks to all the astrologers for extending their helping hands.And thanks to all of you for listening to my experience.Regards,PrassanaMr_Responsible <responsible845 Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 4:45:01 AMRe: Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meter Hi Mr Rao, Sorry But I have to say that everyone is not like that. "in India are selfish i.e. they know taking only and no giving Our .elders told us that we should not help those who does not deserve it." You are talking about our elders who (Almost 99%) give everything to their children but how many get back from them? No one lives in same condition. Everyone is living their life in different way. It looks like in your life you haven't met anyone who has given you something for nothing. Thanks & Regards, Manoj Kumar Rao Tammiraju <sreesai_ganesh@ .co. in>Monday, August 3, 2009 1:31:36Re: Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meter Dear , This is a wicked world. We are in Kaliyug. The moment u step out, people are ready to exploit u,. that to, if u r an altruist, they will exploit to the maximum. 99% of the people esp. in India are selfish i.e. they know taking only and no giving Our .elders told us that we should not help those who does not deserve it. One who does not know giving does not deserve taking also. I used to write in my palk DONT HELP with a marker before going out till i got habituated to this pattern. We should protect ourselves, our family members from these selfish elements.. u will find these elements every where, in yr friends, colleagues, relatives and surroundings. Please be careful and follow this advice given by an elderly astrologer (i am 55 years old and seen a lot of this world and learnt a  lot from these selfish people).with regards,T.R.RAOOn Mon, 3/8/09, arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net <arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net> wrote:arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net <arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net>Re: Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meterMonday, 3 August, 2009, 2:32 AM Dear Tammirajuji: Thanks. But first let me clarify identity. I am not Astrologer Bhaskarji of Mumbai but his namesake Businessman Bhaskar DG of Kolkata. Bhaskarji is temporarily off the internet. He will resume shortly. Let us wait for him to do so.Secondly,Tammirajuj i, a VP of the Federation is an elected Office Bearer. He is duty bound to help (member) SME entrprenuers. But not non-members. I don't expect money in return by way of fees for doing so. But in my own business I also need help (not monetary) from time to time. I was deploring the fact that most of those whom I help out, often at considerable personal cost, do not reciprocate in my hour of need. Many years ago, in the early 70s, I happened to come accross a book by the name of ASIAN DRAMA by a Swedish Noble Laureate Economist. In the preface to the book the author wrote that he had travelled all over the world in course of his researches but his experience of the Indian Sub-continent was unique. Almost no one he met was prepared to succeed by perseverence, by hard labour. Instead, almost everybody was looking for shortcuts to get rich quickly. The irony is you can't fool all people all the time. There is no sustitute for sincerity, integrity, dedication, honest toil. Bhaskarji is saddened because people are constantly trying to get the benefit of his knowledge, his labours, by unscruplous means. Sorry for carrying on at such length but Bhaskarji is like a younger brother to me.Regards, Bhaskar DG Sent on my BlackBerry® from VodafoneRao Tammiraju Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:17:54 +0530 (IST)<>Re: Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meter Dear Bhaskarji, there is a saying in telugu AHARAM DAGGARA VYAVAHARAM DAGGARA MOHAMATAM PADA KUDADU. i.e. in business dealings and on the dinner table we should not feel shy. otherwise we will suffer. either we shall fix a particular amount as fee for a particular service and treat this as a business or shall do it free. We feel shy to demand fee before the consultation and as a result, the clients exploit us, after consultation is over. you r giving service by using ur valuable time, money and knowledge and this is ur bread and butter. So we should not feel shy to demand the fixed charges for the services. if u r good they will come and pay. even psudo astrologers are earing lakhs now a days, then we need not worry about clients.  with regards,T.R.RAO0409985963116 --- On Sun, 2/8/09, arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net <arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net> wrote:arundhuti_dg@ vsnl.net <arundhuti_dg@ vsnl..net>Bhaskar DG Re: The Taxi meterSunday, 2 August, 2009, 7:28 PM Bhaskarji: As VP of FOSMI hardly a day passes when some SME Unit or the other does not come with this or that problem. Some seek only advice, others intervention. Many of them are non-FOSMI members and have no claim on my time. But I am unable to turn them down. Barring a few exceptions the rest take my time / services for granted. When I myself need assistance these same people are too busy. Surprisingly, this does not inhibit them when they need me again! My observations are: (a) most people will take what they can if it is for free, and (b) very few people value what they can avail for free. Regards, Bhaskar DG Sent on my BlackBerry® from VodafoneBhaskar Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:04:24 +0000<> The Taxi meter The Taxi Meter Dear Friends, This is not a story I am relating but something weighing on my mind.. In Bombay the Taxis earn more money by transporting people from one destination to another, than other towns and villages, and the mimimum fare is Rs.13- and if one travels at average speed of 30-40 kms per hr, then after an hours travelling one needs to pay around Rs.125-150 to the Taxi Driver. But this does not mean that The Taxi Driver is earning Rs.125-150 for each of the 12 hours he is sitting in the Taxi, because it is not necessary that he gets an passenger immediately after the previous one leaves.  But this also remains a fact that for one hour of travelling he still earns this much, once his meter has been put down after taking the passenger inside his cab. This same principle applies to Astrologers. . I take pride in my Knowledge and expertise. My Consultation charges for 1 hour is mentioned on my website as Rs.5000- This does not mean that I am earning this much for every hour of the day I am awake, but when a customer comes in, the watch starts ticking, like theTaxi meter. Today evening an old client from London called me on my phone and spoke to me for 52 minutes about his and his wives chart and whatever queries he had put up. I did not ask him for advance since he is a good man , and I had told him that you may pay me after the consultation is over. I know he is a good man due to past experience wth him. Well today after the consultations were over, he asked me how much Fees must he deposit. I replied to him, " whatever you may feel appropriate ". Okay matter closed.  Sometime back he visited me on my chat and expressed his inability to transfer tonight due to being Non-Banking hours or whatever. I said no issues. He replied that he would do it on Monday. I said. Okay . Then before parting he shot me another line - Rs.500 would be okay ? Now this really made me sad. (I dont come cheap. Its either free or My defined Fees.) I did not wish to hurt this gentleman so I replied back that I dont need Fees now, and you better not send me presently but I will take a good amount after your new business is set up and you earn well from same. He is already working and actualy wanted to open some side business.  Well dear friends, all I must say, is that my time is not valued cheaply, and if someone wishes to call me and consult me on phone, then he better pay me my Fees in accordance with my Charges. Or else not. I have spent almost everyday in reading and studying astrology, after turning a teenager for last 30 years. And have high regards for my own education here, though of course there is no limit to study and one can learn for 100 Life times and yet not be good in this subject.  Another thing is that once a Client pays to a astrologer his Fees, then it seems he has purchased the Astrologer for Life time. (Not talking about above case. This gentleman is a very refined man) . He expects the astrologer to answer him everytime whenever he calls him at his beck and call during the year. Please note that when we go to meet other professionals we have to pay Fees every time on every visit. But why must Astrologers be singled out and treated shabbily ?  The above mail is just to express my thoughts and remind the readers that astrologers like me have spent a Life time in study and now in the 4th quarter of our Lives, we are justified in demanding what we feel is appropriate. So we must not be taken for granted. best wishes,Bhaskar.Love Cricket? 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