Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 Q: why in the Narayana D-10 dasa the dasa of the 12th from AL is considered to be positive /as I've learnt recently? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 aià gurursarasvatyai svähäDear Anna?? Hello. What was that question. Dasa of the 12th house is good. Well why not? Only kings can keep giving and smiling.That is the real RAJAYOGA..all others fade. A lot depends on planets there. Actually exenses will be heavy. You pay your debts to society during this dasa.~ om tat sat ~Yours truly,Sanjay Rath---------------------------H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India, +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com --------------------------------Original Message-----N.Anna [anmar]Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:55 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| QQ: why in the Narayana D-10 dasa the dasa of the 12th from AL is considered to be positive /as I've learnt recently? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 Dear Sanjay, Seems like you didn't see my question in what I wrote- so, I have to wonder what's your answer related to- to my inexistent question? "Q: why in the Narayana D-10 dasa the dasa of the 12th from AL is considered to be positive /as I've learnt recently?" We can say, 'dasa of every house can be good' if we use 'Why not' argument. Fortunately, you usually have better ones than that./you mentioned even in this post/ You could have also chosen not to respond, I am sure you know how to do that- so I am curious about your 'teaching method' employed here, and if it's necessary??? Thanks for response. Anna - Sanjay Rath varahamihira Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:51 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Q aià gurursarasvatyai svähäDear Anna ?? Hello. What was that question. Dasa of the 12th house is good. Well why not? Only kings can keep giving and smiling.That is the real RAJAYOGA..all others fade. A lot depends on planets there. Actually exenses will be heavy. You pay your debts to society during this dasa.~ om tat sat ~Yours truly,Sanjay Rath---------------------------H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India, +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com --------------------------- N.Anna [anmar]Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:55 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Q: why in the Narayana D-10 dasa the dasa of the 12th from AL is considered to be positive /as I've learnt recently? Thanks|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 aià gurursarasvatyai svähäDear Anna By itself it should not be so unless associated with a benefic sign or planet. The 12th from AL indicates someone who is not working towards improving image and such a person will be spending energy and resources more towards karmic goals like doing good karma, donations without having his name in bold letters etc. When AL is involved the native works towards his image or reputation in the office. Thus this period can be called a period of 'nish-kaama karma' which is the highest karma or karma yoga in the Gita. You are so sweetly persistent and I like that about you. Does this clarify? Think of various options - saturn in 12 or say mars in 12 or say venus in 12...what sort of karma corrections are taking place. Make a list of planets in different houses from AL in dasamsa and see if you can predict a trait at work. This should be very interesting. For example the ninth from AL is what always protects the AL and reputation at work is crucial for success in life. See the houses or planets in the ninth and try to find out if such people have been helped by others at work indicates by these houses and planets. Most people view the D10 chart as just a career chart..that's so in the mundane level, but look at it as the SVARGAMSA or that through which you can reach the highest heavens. this is the real secret of the dasamsa. Here the karma associated with dharma is coming into the picture and shows the field through which you will be tested in life.~ om tat sat ~Yours truly,Sanjay Rath---------------------------H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India, +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com --------------------------------Original Message-----N.Anna [anmar]Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:17 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| QDear Sanjay, Seems like you didn't see my question in what I wrote- so, I have to wonder what's your answer related to- to my inexistent question? "Q: why in the Narayana D-10 dasa the dasa of the 12th from AL is considered to be positive /as I've learnt recently?" We can say, 'dasa of every house can be good' if we use 'Why not' argument. Fortunately, you usually have better ones than that./you mentioned even in this post/ You could have also chosen not to respond, I am sure you know how to do that-so I am curious about your 'teaching method' employed here, and if it's necessary???Thanks for response.Anna - Sanjay Rath varahamihira Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:51 PMRE: |Sri Varaha| Q aià gurursarasvatyai svähäDear Anna ?? Hello. What was that question. Dasa of the 12th house is good. Well why not? Only kings can keep giving and smiling.That is the real RAJAYOGA..all others fade. A lot depends on planets there. Actually exenses will be heavy. You pay your debts to society during this dasa.~ om tat sat ~Yours truly,Sanjay Rath---------------------------H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India, +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com --------------------------------Original Message-----N.Anna [anmar]Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:55 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| QQ: why in the Narayana D-10 dasa the dasa of the 12th from AL is considered to be positive /as I've learnt recently? Thanks|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 Dear Sanjay, Thank you so much for this explanation- I'm sure many members will appreciate your explanation- not to be found in any book I've read so far. Yes, you clarified this so effectively, that even I don't have more questions:)) I am glad you like my persistence, that's true about me, very much so. What I really like about you /except your knowledge, I've accepted you as an authority, already/ is that you are quick-on the-uptake, open-minded, and able to be self-critical- it's almost impossible to be angry at you- Good for all of us, I guess. Wishing you all the best, sincerely, Anna - Sanjay Rath varahamihira Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:30 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Q aià gurursarasvatyai svähä Dear Anna By itself it should not be so unless associated with a benefic sign or planet. The 12th from AL indicates someone who is not working towards improving image and such a person will be spending energy and resources more towards karmic goals like doing good karma, donations without having his name in bold letters etc. When AL is involved the native works towards his image or reputation in the office. Thus this period can be called a period of 'nish-kaama karma' which is the highest karma or karma yoga in the Gita. You are so sweetly persistent and I like that about you. Does this clarify? Think of various options - saturn in 12 or say mars in 12 or say venus in 12...what sort of karma corrections are taking place. Make a list of planets in different houses from AL in dasamsa and see if you can predict a trait at work. This should be very interesting. For example the ninth from AL is what always protects the AL and reputation at work is crucial for success in life. See the houses or planets in the ninth and try to find out if such people have been helped by others at work indicates by these houses and planets. Most people view the D10 chart as just a career chart..that's so in the mundane level, but look at it as the SVARGAMSA or that through which you can reach the highest heavens. this is the real secret of the dasamsa. Here the karma associated with dharma is coming into the picture and shows the field through which you will be tested in life. ~ om tat sat ~Yours truly,Sanjay Rath---------------------------H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India, +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com --------------------------- N.Anna [anmar]Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:17 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Sanjay, Seems like you didn't see my question in what I wrote- so, I have to wonder what's your answer related to- to my inexistent question? "Q: why in the Narayana D-10 dasa the dasa of the 12th from AL is considered to be positive /as I've learnt recently?" We can say, 'dasa of every house can be good' if we use 'Why not' argument. Fortunately, you usually have better ones than that./you mentioned even in this post/ You could have also chosen not to respond, I am sure you know how to do that- so I am curious about your 'teaching method' employed here, and if it's necessary??? Thanks for response. Anna - Sanjay Rath varahamihira Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:51 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Q aià gurursarasvatyai svähäDear Anna ?? Hello. What was that question. Dasa of the 12th house is good. Well why not? Only kings can keep giving and smiling.That is the real RAJAYOGA..all others fade. A lot depends on planets there. Actually exenses will be heavy. You pay your debts to society during this dasa.~ om tat sat ~Yours truly,Sanjay Rath---------------------------H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India, +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com --------------------------- N.Anna [anmar]Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:55 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Q: why in the Narayana D-10 dasa the dasa of the 12th from AL is considered to be positive /as I've learnt recently? Thanks|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 I've read on another list that Goddess Sarswati /?/ is considered Ishta Devata for Rahu. I would appreciate your comments. Thanks to all, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Dear Anna, Perhaps you know that Jaimini wrote in sloka 1.2.78 "Rahu in the 12th house ( from karakamsa) shows devotion towards Tamasi ( destroyer of darkenss) or Durga ( destroyer of all evils)" I've never heard of Saraswati represented by Rahu. To me it doesn't make sense. Saraswati is the consort of Bramha the creator and is known as the goddess of knowledge, creativity and musical instruments. Did the other list give any reasons why Saraswati would be represented by Rahu? I just found this story on the web about Saraswati and Rahu that may be of interest. "The gods and the demons by the mutual agreement decided to churn the ocean for the Amrit or the elixir of life. Mainak mountain was used as the churning rod and Basuki as the churning rope. When Lakshmi appeared with the Amrit kumbha both wanted the elixir. Saraswati with her exquisite beauty lured away the asuras. As the gods were drinking the Amrit, Rahu and Ketu, two asuras saw them and slipped with the Gods. As they drank the Amrit which would make them immoral like the gods, Vishnu detected them. He immediately cut off their heads. The two enraged asuras, swallowed the sun and moon but could not retain them as their throats where cut. This led to the origin of solar and lunar eclipse. Saraswati, who was instrumental in helping the Gods to be immortal, was established in the heaven as the Goddess Saraswati." Best Wishes, Karen - N.Anna varahamihira Friday, August 01, 2003 6:07 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q I've read on another list that Goddess Sarswati /?/ is considered Ishta Devata for Rahu. I would appreciate your comments. Thanks to all, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Dear Karen, Thank you for your comment and nice story- one gets better feeling of nature of planets, Rahu/Ketu in particular, by learning the stories related to planets' ruling deity. Anna - Karen Skoler varahamihira Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:25 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Anna, Perhaps you know that Jaimini wrote in sloka 1.2.78 "Rahu in the 12th house ( from karakamsa) shows devotion towards Tamasi ( destroyer of darkenss) or Durga ( destroyer of all evils)" I've never heard of Saraswati represented by Rahu. To me it doesn't make sense. Saraswati is the consort of Bramha the creator and is known as the goddess of knowledge, creativity and musical instruments. Did the other list give any reasons why Saraswati would be represented by Rahu? I just found this story on the web about Saraswati and Rahu that may be of interest. "The gods and the demons by the mutual agreement decided to churn the ocean for the Amrit or the elixir of life. Mainak mountain was used as the churning rod and Basuki as the churning rope. When Lakshmi appeared with the Amrit kumbha both wanted the elixir. Saraswati with her exquisite beauty lured away the asuras. As the gods were drinking the Amrit, Rahu and Ketu, two asuras saw them and slipped with the Gods. As they drank the Amrit which would make them immoral like the gods, Vishnu detected them. He immediately cut off their heads. The two enraged asuras, swallowed the sun and moon but could not retain them as their throats where cut. This led to the origin of solar and lunar eclipse. Saraswati, who was instrumental in helping the Gods to be immortal, was established in the heaven as the Goddess Saraswati." Best Wishes, Karen - N.Anna varahamihira Friday, August 01, 2003 6:07 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q I've read on another list that Goddess Sarswati /?/ is considered Ishta Devata for Rahu. I would appreciate your comments. Thanks to all, Anna |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Karen, We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. Rahu is Sarpa. Have no doubt about it. It indicates snakes and snake worship. But to avoid that the person goes on this dark path, we ask them to worship Durgatinashinyai, or just; Durga. We do this, as Durga has the power to keep rahu under control. Take one of her names; Chamundi. These means the killer of the demon 'Cham'. She has similar names given due to her fighting with the Asuras. So Sarasvati cannot be indicated by Rahu... Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi. Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Karen Skoler varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:25 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Anna, Perhaps you know that Jaimini wrote in sloka 1.2.78 "Rahu in the 12th house ( from karakamsa) shows devotion towards Tamasi ( destroyer of darkenss) or Durga ( destroyer of all evils)" I've never heard of Saraswati represented by Rahu. To me it doesn't make sense. Saraswati is the consort of Bramha the creator and is known as the goddess of knowledge, creativity and musical instruments. Did the other list give any reasons why Saraswati would be represented by Rahu? I just found this story on the web about Saraswati and Rahu that may be of interest. "The gods and the demons by the mutual agreement decided to churn the ocean for the Amrit or the elixir of life. Mainak mountain was used as the churning rod and Basuki as the churning rope. When Lakshmi appeared with the Amrit kumbha both wanted the elixir. Saraswati with her exquisite beauty lured away the asuras. As the gods were drinking the Amrit, Rahu and Ketu, two asuras saw them and slipped with the Gods. As they drank the Amrit which would make them immoral like the gods, Vishnu detected them. He immediately cut off their heads. The two enraged asuras, swallowed the sun and moon but could not retain them as their throats where cut. This led to the origin of solar and lunar eclipse. Saraswati, who was instrumental in helping the Gods to be immortal, was established in the heaven as the Goddess Saraswati." Best Wishes, Karen - N.Anna varahamihira Friday, August 01, 2003 6:07 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q I've read on another list that Goddess Sarswati /?/ is considered Ishta Devata for Rahu. I would appreciate your comments. Thanks to all, Anna |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Dear Visti, It's clear that Saraswati is out picture. I am not sure about the last part of your post- Are you suggesting that worshiping either Durga or Laksmi, would work for Rahu as ID, Laksmi even better./?/ I have my deity /female saint/ that I am strongly attached to. She is my mother's deity too. In comparison, would be closer to Laksmi /gardian angel, for sure, but not symbol of wealth, more of devotion/, than to Durga. It's important to know, so that I can meditate on this. Thanks for your response, Anna - Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 5:06 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Karen, We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. Rahu is Sarpa. Have no doubt about it. It indicates snakes and snake worship. But to avoid that the person goes on this dark path, we ask them to worship Durgatinashinyai, or just; Durga. We do this, as Durga has the power to keep rahu under control. Take one of her names; Chamundi. These means the killer of the demon 'Cham'. She has similar names given due to her fighting with the Asuras. So Sarasvati cannot be indicated by Rahu... Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi. Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Karen Skoler varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:25 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Anna, Perhaps you know that Jaimini wrote in sloka 1.2.78 "Rahu in the 12th house ( from karakamsa) shows devotion towards Tamasi ( destroyer of darkenss) or Durga ( destroyer of all evils)" I've never heard of Saraswati represented by Rahu. To me it doesn't make sense. Saraswati is the consort of Bramha the creator and is known as the goddess of knowledge, creativity and musical instruments. Did the other list give any reasons why Saraswati would be represented by Rahu? I just found this story on the web about Saraswati and Rahu that may be of interest. "The gods and the demons by the mutual agreement decided to churn the ocean for the Amrit or the elixir of life. Mainak mountain was used as the churning rod and Basuki as the churning rope. When Lakshmi appeared with the Amrit kumbha both wanted the elixir. Saraswati with her exquisite beauty lured away the asuras. As the gods were drinking the Amrit, Rahu and Ketu, two asuras saw them and slipped with the Gods. As they drank the Amrit which would make them immoral like the gods, Vishnu detected them. He immediately cut off their heads. The two enraged asuras, swallowed the sun and moon but could not retain them as their throats where cut. This led to the origin of solar and lunar eclipse. Saraswati, who was instrumental in helping the Gods to be immortal, was established in the heaven as the Goddess Saraswati." Best Wishes, Karen - N.Anna varahamihira Friday, August 01, 2003 6:07 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q I've read on another list that Goddess Sarswati /?/ is considered Ishta Devata for Rahu. I would appreciate your comments. Thanks to all, Anna |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Anna, "Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi." This was for Laxmi only, which Venus indicates. Rahu indicates Durga. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - N.Anna varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 11:35 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Visti, It's clear that Saraswati is out picture. I am not sure about the last part of your post- Are you suggesting that worshiping either Durga or Laksmi, would work for Rahu as ID, Laksmi even better./?/ I have my deity /female saint/ that I am strongly attached to. She is my mother's deity too. In comparison, would be closer to Laksmi /gardian angel, for sure, but not symbol of wealth, more of devotion/, than to Durga. It's important to know, so that I can meditate on this. Thanks for your response, Anna - Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 5:06 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Karen, We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. Rahu is Sarpa. Have no doubt about it. It indicates snakes and snake worship. But to avoid that the person goes on this dark path, we ask them to worship Durgatinashinyai, or just; Durga. We do this, as Durga has the power to keep rahu under control. Take one of her names; Chamundi. These means the killer of the demon 'Cham'. She has similar names given due to her fighting with the Asuras. So Sarasvati cannot be indicated by Rahu... Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi. Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Karen Skoler varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:25 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Anna, Perhaps you know that Jaimini wrote in sloka 1.2.78 "Rahu in the 12th house ( from karakamsa) shows devotion towards Tamasi ( destroyer of darkenss) or Durga ( destroyer of all evils)" I've never heard of Saraswati represented by Rahu. To me it doesn't make sense. Saraswati is the consort of Bramha the creator and is known as the goddess of knowledge, creativity and musical instruments. Did the other list give any reasons why Saraswati would be represented by Rahu? I just found this story on the web about Saraswati and Rahu that may be of interest. "The gods and the demons by the mutual agreement decided to churn the ocean for the Amrit or the elixir of life. Mainak mountain was used as the churning rod and Basuki as the churning rope. When Lakshmi appeared with the Amrit kumbha both wanted the elixir. Saraswati with her exquisite beauty lured away the asuras. As the gods were drinking the Amrit, Rahu and Ketu, two asuras saw them and slipped with the Gods. As they drank the Amrit which would make them immoral like the gods, Vishnu detected them. He immediately cut off their heads. The two enraged asuras, swallowed the sun and moon but could not retain them as their throats where cut. This led to the origin of solar and lunar eclipse. Saraswati, who was instrumental in helping the Gods to be immortal, was established in the heaven as the Goddess Saraswati." Best Wishes, Karen - N.Anna varahamihira Friday, August 01, 2003 6:07 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q I've read on another list that Goddess Sarswati /?/ is considered Ishta Devata for Rahu. I would appreciate your comments. Thanks to all, Anna |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Dear Visit, You clarified your previous post. Rahu was in question. Only. In second paragraph you mentioned Venus and Laksmi /Why?/ Then, In third paragraph you said: " Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. The topic was Rahu. You statement above is confusing- Laksmi you said, should be preferred, as opposed to What?- Now you say it's for Venus. /how did Venus entered the picture, and in relation with which other choices Laksmi is preferable /if not Rahu-Durga, which was clearly the question, and commented in first paragraph? Depend on contest, you said, along with general statement: a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected- Is that 'context'? It's applicable to any deity. Perhaps your thoughts go faster than what you type, so you lost the point, recipient, alas, as well Have a good time, Anna - Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 6:13 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Anna, "Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi." This was for Laxmi only, which Venus indicates. Rahu indicates Durga. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - N.Anna varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 11:35 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Visti, It's clear that Saraswati is out picture. I am not sure about the last part of your post- Are you suggesting that worshiping either Durga or Laksmi, would work for Rahu as ID, Laksmi even better./?/ I have my deity /female saint/ that I am strongly attached to. She is my mother's deity too. In comparison, would be closer to Laksmi /gardian angel, for sure, but not symbol of wealth, more of devotion/, than to Durga. It's important to know, so that I can meditate on this. Thanks for your response, Anna - Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 5:06 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Karen, We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. Rahu is Sarpa. Have no doubt about it. It indicates snakes and snake worship. But to avoid that the person goes on this dark path, we ask them to worship Durgatinashinyai, or just; Durga. We do this, as Durga has the power to keep rahu under control. Take one of her names; Chamundi. These means the killer of the demon 'Cham'. She has similar names given due to her fighting with the Asuras. So Sarasvati cannot be indicated by Rahu... Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi. Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Karen Skoler varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:25 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Anna, Perhaps you know that Jaimini wrote in sloka 1.2.78 "Rahu in the 12th house ( from karakamsa) shows devotion towards Tamasi ( destroyer of darkenss) or Durga ( destroyer of all evils)" I've never heard of Saraswati represented by Rahu. To me it doesn't make sense. Saraswati is the consort of Bramha the creator and is known as the goddess of knowledge, creativity and musical instruments. Did the other list give any reasons why Saraswati would be represented by Rahu? I just found this story on the web about Saraswati and Rahu that may be of interest. "The gods and the demons by the mutual agreement decided to churn the ocean for the Amrit or the elixir of life. Mainak mountain was used as the churning rod and Basuki as the churning rope. When Lakshmi appeared with the Amrit kumbha both wanted the elixir. Saraswati with her exquisite beauty lured away the asuras. As the gods were drinking the Amrit, Rahu and Ketu, two asuras saw them and slipped with the Gods. As they drank the Amrit which would make them immoral like the gods, Vishnu detected them. He immediately cut off their heads. The two enraged asuras, swallowed the sun and moon but could not retain them as their throats where cut. This led to the origin of solar and lunar eclipse. Saraswati, who was instrumental in helping the Gods to be immortal, was established in the heaven as the Goddess Saraswati." Best Wishes, Karen - N.Anna varahamihira Friday, August 01, 2003 6:07 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q I've read on another list that Goddess Sarswati /?/ is considered Ishta Devata for Rahu. I would appreciate your comments. Thanks to all, Anna |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Dear Karen, Thanks for your message and I am kind of little surprized by the web site, who had published Saraswati instead of Mohini. I have also read and taught as Visti Ji said, it was Mohini not the godess Saraswati. So, please write to me privately with the web site address, so that I can write to them and attempt to change the content by giving them the Bhagavat Purana reference. Regards Rao " We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. " varahamihira , Karen Skoler <nykaren@o...> wrote: > Dear Anna, > > Perhaps you know that Jaimini wrote in sloka 1.2.78 > > " Rahu in the 12th house ( from karakamsa) shows devotion towards Tamasi ( destroyer of darkenss) or Durga ( destroyer of all evils) " > > I've never heard of Saraswati represented by Rahu. To me it doesn't make sense. Saraswati is the consort of Bramha the creator and is known as the goddess of knowledge, creativity and musical instruments. Did the other list give any reasons why Saraswati would be represented by Rahu? > > I just found this story on the web about Saraswati and Rahu that may be of interest. > " The gods and the demons by the mutual agreement decided to churn the ocean for the Amrit or the elixir of life. Mainak mountain was used as the churning rod and Basuki as the churning rope. When Lakshmi appeared with the Amrit kumbha both wanted the elixir. Saraswati with her exquisite beauty lured away the asuras. As the gods were drinking the Amrit, Rahu and Ketu, two asuras saw them and slipped with the Gods. As they drank the Amrit which would make them immoral like the gods, Vishnu detected them. He immediately cut off their heads. The two enraged asuras, swallowed the sun and moon but could not retain them as their throats where cut. This led to the origin of solar and lunar eclipse. Saraswati, who was instrumental in helping the Gods to be immortal, was established in the heaven as the Goddess Saraswati. " > > > > Best Wishes, > > Karen > > > - > N.Anna > varahamihira > Friday, August 01, 2003 6:07 PM > Re: |Sri Varaha| Q > > > I've read on another list that Goddess Sarswati /?/ is considered Ishta Devata for Rahu. > > I would appreciate your comments. > > Thanks to all, > > Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Anna, The example cited in the end was to bring some light into the worshipping factor of Jyotish, not specific about Rahu. i. In the example i established, from Harihara, Saraswati is a form of Venus and not Rahu. ii. I then stated that when choosing deities to worship, then we should normally avoid deities like; Sarpa (Rahu), Yakshi (another form of Venus), Brahma (Saturn), as can these provoke negative thoughts/curses.iii. Now sometimes we suffer because we neglect/forget to worship a specific deity - Then we may have to perform worship of the lower/higher deities depending on what the planet indicates. Yes i meant to say; context. Thankyou for correcting me. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - N.Anna varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 1:25 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Visit, You clarified your previous post. Rahu was in question. Only. In second paragraph you mentioned Venus and Laksmi /Why?/ Then, In third paragraph you said: " Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. The topic was Rahu. You statement above is confusing- Laksmi you said, should be preferred, as opposed to What?- Now you say it's for Venus. /how did Venus entered the picture, and in relation with which other choices Laksmi is preferable /if not Rahu-Durga, which was clearly the question, and commented in first paragraph? Depend on contest, you said, along with general statement: a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected- Is that 'context'? It's applicable to any deity. Perhaps your thoughts go faster than what you type, so you lost the point, recipient, alas, as well Have a good time, Anna - Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 6:13 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Anna, "Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi." This was for Laxmi only, which Venus indicates. Rahu indicates Durga. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - N.Anna varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 11:35 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Visti, It's clear that Saraswati is out picture. I am not sure about the last part of your post- Are you suggesting that worshiping either Durga or Laksmi, would work for Rahu as ID, Laksmi even better./?/ I have my deity /female saint/ that I am strongly attached to. She is my mother's deity too. In comparison, would be closer to Laksmi /gardian angel, for sure, but not symbol of wealth, more of devotion/, than to Durga. It's important to know, so that I can meditate on this. Thanks for your response, Anna - Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 5:06 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Karen, We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. Rahu is Sarpa. Have no doubt about it. It indicates snakes and snake worship. But to avoid that the person goes on this dark path, we ask them to worship Durgatinashinyai, or just; Durga. We do this, as Durga has the power to keep rahu under control. Take one of her names; Chamundi. These means the killer of the demon 'Cham'. She has similar names given due to her fighting with the Asuras. So Sarasvati cannot be indicated by Rahu... Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi. Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Karen Skoler varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:25 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Anna, Perhaps you know that Jaimini wrote in sloka 1.2.78 "Rahu in the 12th house ( from karakamsa) shows devotion towards Tamasi ( destroyer of darkenss) or Durga ( destroyer of all evils)" I've never heard of Saraswati represented by Rahu. To me it doesn't make sense. Saraswati is the consort of Bramha the creator and is known as the goddess of knowledge, creativity and musical instruments. Did the other list give any reasons why Saraswati would be represented by Rahu? I just found this story on the web about Saraswati and Rahu that may be of interest. "The gods and the demons by the mutual agreement decided to churn the ocean for the Amrit or the elixir of life. Mainak mountain was used as the churning rod and Basuki as the churning rope. When Lakshmi appeared with the Amrit kumbha both wanted the elixir. Saraswati with her exquisite beauty lured away the asuras. As the gods were drinking the Amrit, Rahu and Ketu, two asuras saw them and slipped with the Gods. As they drank the Amrit which would make them immoral like the gods, Vishnu detected them. He immediately cut off their heads. The two enraged asuras, swallowed the sun and moon but could not retain them as their throats where cut. This led to the origin of solar and lunar eclipse. Saraswati, who was instrumental in helping the Gods to be immortal, was established in the heaven as the Goddess Saraswati." Best Wishes, Karen - N.Anna varahamihira Friday, August 01, 2003 6:07 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q I've read on another list that Goddess Sarswati /?/ is considered Ishta Devata for Rahu. I would appreciate your comments. Thanks to all, Anna |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Dear Visti, I didn't mean to correct you, for it's own sake- just to 'squeeze right information from you, to get the link between two sets of information. I hope you'll understand that. I have a new question now- You said : ii. I then stated that when choosing deities to worship, then we should normally avoid deities like; Sarpa (Rahu), Yakshi (another form of Venus), Brahma (Saturn), as can these provoke negative thoughts/curses. Forgive me my ignorance I haven't heard of Sarpa /Rahu/ Deity? And if my Ishta Devata is Rahu, how/whether/why is to be avoided? You said, it provokes negative thoughts/curses- what's the alternative? Why would anybody worship deities to attract curses? I am curious to hear that as well. If one should avoid, than one may do that, in ignorance, perhaps. That is exactly the reason why I am asking the same question so many times- I hope I was able to clarify this. Just to hear the straightforward answer, has been my intention. Thanks Anna - Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 8:02 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Anna, The example cited in the end was to bring some light into the worshipping factor of Jyotish, not specific about Rahu. i. In the example i established, from Harihara, Saraswati is a form of Venus and not Rahu. ii. I then stated that when choosing deities to worship, then we should normally avoid deities like; Sarpa (Rahu), Yakshi (another form of Venus), Brahma (Saturn), as can these provoke negative thoughts/curses.iii. Now sometimes we suffer because we neglect/forget to worship a specific deity - Then we may have to perform worship of the lower/higher deities depending on what the planet indicates. Yes i meant to say; context. Thankyou for correcting me. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - N.Anna varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 1:25 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Visit, You clarified your previous post. Rahu was in question. Only. In second paragraph you mentioned Venus and Laksmi /Why?/ Then, In third paragraph you said: " Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. The topic was Rahu. You statement above is confusing- Laksmi you said, should be preferred, as opposed to What?- Now you say it's for Venus. /how did Venus entered the picture, and in relation with which other choices Laksmi is preferable /if not Rahu-Durga, which was clearly the question, and commented in first paragraph? Depend on contest, you said, along with general statement: a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected- Is that 'context'? It's applicable to any deity. Perhaps your thoughts go faster than what you type, so you lost the point, recipient, alas, as well Have a good time, Anna - Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 6:13 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Anna, "Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi." This was for Laxmi only, which Venus indicates. Rahu indicates Durga. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - N.Anna varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 11:35 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Visti, It's clear that Saraswati is out picture. I am not sure about the last part of your post- Are you suggesting that worshiping either Durga or Laksmi, would work for Rahu as ID, Laksmi even better./?/ I have my deity /female saint/ that I am strongly attached to. She is my mother's deity too. In comparison, would be closer to Laksmi /gardian angel, for sure, but not symbol of wealth, more of devotion/, than to Durga. It's important to know, so that I can meditate on this. Thanks for your response, Anna - Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 5:06 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Karen, We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. Rahu is Sarpa. Have no doubt about it. It indicates snakes and snake worship. But to avoid that the person goes on this dark path, we ask them to worship Durgatinashinyai, or just; Durga. We do this, as Durga has the power to keep rahu under control. Take one of her names; Chamundi. These means the killer of the demon 'Cham'. She has similar names given due to her fighting with the Asuras. So Sarasvati cannot be indicated by Rahu... Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi. Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Karen Skoler varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:25 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Anna, Perhaps you know that Jaimini wrote in sloka 1.2.78 "Rahu in the 12th house ( from karakamsa) shows devotion towards Tamasi ( destroyer of darkenss) or Durga ( destroyer of all evils)" I've never heard of Saraswati represented by Rahu. To me it doesn't make sense. Saraswati is the consort of Bramha the creator and is known as the goddess of knowledge, creativity and musical instruments. Did the other list give any reasons why Saraswati would be represented by Rahu? I just found this story on the web about Saraswati and Rahu that may be of interest. "The gods and the demons by the mutual agreement decided to churn the ocean for the Amrit or the elixir of life. Mainak mountain was used as the churning rod and Basuki as the churning rope. When Lakshmi appeared with the Amrit kumbha both wanted the elixir. Saraswati with her exquisite beauty lured away the asuras. As the gods were drinking the Amrit, Rahu and Ketu, two asuras saw them and slipped with the Gods. As they drank the Amrit which would make them immoral like the gods, Vishnu detected them. He immediately cut off their heads. The two enraged asuras, swallowed the sun and moon but could not retain them as their throats where cut. This led to the origin of solar and lunar eclipse. Saraswati, who was instrumental in helping the Gods to be immortal, was established in the heaven as the Goddess Saraswati." Best Wishes, Karen - N.Anna varahamihira Friday, August 01, 2003 6:07 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q I've read on another list that Goddess Sarswati /?/ is considered Ishta Devata for Rahu. I would appreciate your comments. Thanks to all, Anna |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah Dear Visti and Rao, Thanks for pointing out that it was Vishnu as Mohini and not Saraswati who lured the asuras away. I have learned by lesson not to learn this holy science off websites and will stick to classics from now on. Warm Regards, Karen - Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 5:06 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Karen, We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. Rahu is Sarpa. Have no doubt about it. It indicates snakes and snake worship. But to avoid that the person goes on this dark path, we ask them to worship Durgatinashinyai, or just; Durga. We do this, as Durga has the power to keep rahu under control. Take one of her names; Chamundi. These means the killer of the demon 'Cham'. She has similar names given due to her fighting with the Asuras. So Sarasvati cannot be indicated by Rahu... Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi. Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Dear Visti NAmaste Just for Puranic appetite; Which purana gives reference of Rahu being Sarpa? I was searching in some of the standard puranas but enable to obtain it. MAny a times it is mentioned that Rahu is Sarpa but I still wonder about its Puranic source. Please let me know the reference so that I will read it myself. I hope you wont mind I putting questions about your source. As I said it is just Puranic appetite! Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. AmolMAndar varahamihira , Karen Skoler <nykaren@o...> wrote: > Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah > > Dear Visti and Rao, > > Thanks for pointing out that it was Vishnu as Mohini and not Saraswati who lured the asuras away. I have learned by lesson not to learn this holy science off websites and will stick to classics from now on. > > Warm Regards, > Karen > - > Visti Larsen > varahamihira > Monday, August 04, 2003 5:06 AM > Re: |Sri Varaha| Q > > > > |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah| > Dear Karen, > We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. > > Rahu is Sarpa. Have no doubt about it. It indicates snakes and snake worship. But to avoid that the person goes on this dark path, we ask them to worship Durgatinashinyai, or just; Durga. We do this, as Durga has the power to keep rahu under control. Take one of her names; Chamundi. These means the killer of the demon 'Cham'. She has similar names given due to her fighting with the Asuras. > So Sarasvati cannot be indicated by Rahu... Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi. > > Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. > > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Dear Visti, Are the placement of ven in the sign of rajasik, satwik etc. or any other such combinations of planets (as explained by Harihara), to determine Ista - to be seen in rashi or navamsa? I think it should be seen in navamsa. Best regards jk - Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:36 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Karen, We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. Rahu is Sarpa. Have no doubt about it. It indicates snakes and snake worship. But to avoid that the person goes on this dark path, we ask them to worship Durgatinashinyai, or just; Durga. We do this, as Durga has the power to keep rahu under control. Take one of her names; Chamundi. These means the killer of the demon 'Cham'. She has similar names given due to her fighting with the Asuras. So Sarasvati cannot be indicated by Rahu... Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi. Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Karen Skoler varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:25 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Anna, Perhaps you know that Jaimini wrote in sloka 1.2.78 "Rahu in the 12th house ( from karakamsa) shows devotion towards Tamasi ( destroyer of darkenss) or Durga ( destroyer of all evils)" I've never heard of Saraswati represented by Rahu. To me it doesn't make sense. Saraswati is the consort of Bramha the creator and is known as the goddess of knowledge, creativity and musical instruments. Did the other list give any reasons why Saraswati would be represented by Rahu? I just found this story on the web about Saraswati and Rahu that may be of interest. "The gods and the demons by the mutual agreement decided to churn the ocean for the Amrit or the elixir of life. Mainak mountain was used as the churning rod and Basuki as the churning rope. When Lakshmi appeared with the Amrit kumbha both wanted the elixir. Saraswati with her exquisite beauty lured away the asuras. As the gods were drinking the Amrit, Rahu and Ketu, two asuras saw them and slipped with the Gods. As they drank the Amrit which would make them immoral like the gods, Vishnu detected them. He immediately cut off their heads. The two enraged asuras, swallowed the sun and moon but could not retain them as their throats where cut. This led to the origin of solar and lunar eclipse. Saraswati, who was instrumental in helping the Gods to be immortal, was established in the heaven as the Goddess Saraswati." Best Wishes, Karen - N.Anna varahamihira Friday, August 01, 2003 6:07 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q I've read on another list that Goddess Sarswati /?/ is considered Ishta Devata for Rahu. I would appreciate your comments. Thanks to all, Anna |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Dear Amol, The Skanda Purana has very clearly stated that the pratyadhi devata for Rahu is Sarpa. There are also innumerable dhyanas, prarthanas and mantras for all the nava grahas, and in all of them the devata for Rahu is indicated as Sarpa. Best regards, Sarbani amolmandar [amolmandar] Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:40 AM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Visti NAmaste Just for Puranic appetite; Which purana gives reference of Rahu being Sarpa? I was searching in some of the standard puranas but enable to obtain it. MAny a times it is mentioned that Rahu is Sarpa but I still wonder about its Puranic source. Please let me know the reference so that I will read it myself. I hope you wont mind I putting questions about your source. As I said it is just Puranic appetite! Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. AmolMAndar varahamihira , Karen Skoler <nykaren@o...> wrote: > Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah > > Dear Visti and Rao, > > Thanks for pointing out that it was Vishnu as Mohini and not Saraswati who lured the asuras away. I have learned by lesson not to learn this holy science off websites and will stick to classics from now on. > > Warm Regards, > Karen > - > Visti Larsen > varahamihira > Monday, August 04, 2003 5:06 AM > Re: |Sri Varaha| Q > > > > |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah| > Dear Karen, > We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. > > Rahu is Sarpa. Have no doubt about it. It indicates snakes and snake worship. But to avoid that the person goes on this dark path, we ask them to worship Durgatinashinyai, or just; Durga. We do this, as Durga has the power to keep rahu under control. Take one of her names; Chamundi. These means the killer of the demon 'Cham'. She has similar names given due to her fighting with the Asuras. > So Sarasvati cannot be indicated by Rahu... Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi. > > Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. > > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Dear JKda, Harihara does not mention Navamsa, but speaks of the deity represented by the planets in any of the houses. Also he does not speak of Ishta specifically. Merely, what I gathered, what would be the nature of the deity when placed in certain signs. The deities maybe those whom we ought to worship or desire to worship. Best regards, Sarbani j.k. dasgupta [dgassociates]Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:04 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Visti, Are the placement of ven in the sign of rajasik, satwik etc. or any other such combinations of planets (as explained by Harihara), to determine Ista - to be seen in rashi or navamsa? I think it should be seen in navamsa. Best regards jk - Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:36 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Karen, We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. Rahu is Sarpa. Have no doubt about it. It indicates snakes and snake worship. But to avoid that the person goes on this dark path, we ask them to worship Durgatinashinyai, or just; Durga. We do this, as Durga has the power to keep rahu under control. Take one of her names; Chamundi. These means the killer of the demon 'Cham'. She has similar names given due to her fighting with the Asuras. So Sarasvati cannot be indicated by Rahu... Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi. Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Karen Skoler varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:25 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Anna, Perhaps you know that Jaimini wrote in sloka 1.2.78 "Rahu in the 12th house ( from karakamsa) shows devotion towards Tamasi ( destroyer of darkenss) or Durga ( destroyer of all evils)" I've never heard of Saraswati represented by Rahu. To me it doesn't make sense. Saraswati is the consort of Bramha the creator and is known as the goddess of knowledge, creativity and musical instruments. Did the other list give any reasons why Saraswati would be represented by Rahu? I just found this story on the web about Saraswati and Rahu that may be of interest. "The gods and the demons by the mutual agreement decided to churn the ocean for the Amrit or the elixir of life. Mainak mountain was used as the churning rod and Basuki as the churning rope. When Lakshmi appeared with the Amrit kumbha both wanted the elixir. Saraswati with her exquisite beauty lured away the asuras. As the gods were drinking the Amrit, Rahu and Ketu, two asuras saw them and slipped with the Gods. As they drank the Amrit which would make them immoral like the gods, Vishnu detected them. He immediately cut off their heads. The two enraged asuras, swallowed the sun and moon but could not retain them as their throats where cut. This led to the origin of solar and lunar eclipse. Saraswati, who was instrumental in helping the Gods to be immortal, was established in the heaven as the Goddess Saraswati." Best Wishes, Karen - N.Anna varahamihira Friday, August 01, 2003 6:07 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q I've read on another list that Goddess Sarswati /?/ is considered Ishta Devata for Rahu. I would appreciate your comments. Thanks to all, Anna |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Dear Sarabini Namaste In the Skandapurana we have " ShivaH Shivaa guho vishnubramendriyamakalakaH | chitraguptoTha bhanvadedarkshine chadhidevataH|| So aadhidevata of Rahu is Kala and is put in the south-west corner in the pooja.It is indicated by Kala Makara. When we perform sthapana of Rahu we say " Aum BhuuBuarswaha rathinapurodbhava paiithisagotra krishnavarna bho raho! ihagacha ihatistha aum rahave namah rahumavahyami sthapiyami " And to perform sthapana of Kala as adhidevata of Rahu we say " Aum BhuuBuarswaha Kalaya NamaH, Kalamavahyaami, sthapiyami " Yes you are right that pratyadhi devata for Rahu is Sarpa but aadhidevata is Kala and is indicated by Krishna Makara. Another point is that there is a difference in saying devata of Rahu is Sarpa and Rahu is Sarpa.Devta for Ketu is Ganesh but Ganesh is not Ketu. I am interested in a reference of Rahu as Sarpa. Sarpas are connected with Hara and Hari as well. So Nagapooja or Sarpa Pooja is performed for these two aadhi devata as well. As far as Puranic reference I know, he is a son of Sinhika, and Surya is his food as Brahma had given a vardan. Many times it is mentioned that it eats Chandra as well. It had a major role to play in Samudramanthan and Amrut distribution thereafter. He was killed by Mohini. But no where it is mentioned that he is a son of Sarpa or he is a Sarpa. At least I have not read that. That is why I was asking for that reference. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. AmolMandar varahamihira , " Sarbani Sarkar " <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Dear Amol, > > The Skanda Purana has very clearly stated that the pratyadhi devata for Rahu > is Sarpa. There are also innumerable dhyanas, prarthanas and mantras for all > the nava grahas, and in all of them the devata for Rahu is indicated as > Sarpa. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > > amolmandar [amolmandar] > Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:40 AM > varahamihira > Re: |Sri Varaha| Q > > > Dear Visti NAmaste > > Just for Puranic appetite; Which purana gives reference of Rahu being > Sarpa? I was searching in some of the standard puranas but enable to > obtain it. MAny a times it is mentioned that Rahu is Sarpa but I > still wonder about its Puranic source. Please let me know the > reference so that I will read it myself. I hope you wont mind I > putting questions about your source. As I said it is just Puranic > appetite! > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > AmolMAndar > > > varahamihira , Karen Skoler <nykaren@o...> > wrote: > > Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah > > > > Dear Visti and Rao, > > > > Thanks for pointing out that it was Vishnu as Mohini and not > Saraswati who lured the asuras away. I have learned by lesson not to > learn this holy science off websites and will stick to classics from > now on. > > > > Warm Regards, > > Karen > > - > > Visti Larsen > > varahamihira > > Monday, August 04, 2003 5:06 AM > > Re: |Sri Varaha| Q > > > > > > > > |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah| > > Dear Karen, > > We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini > who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the > Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. > > > > Rahu is Sarpa. Have no doubt about it. It indicates snakes and > snake worship. But to avoid that the person goes on this dark path, > we ask them to worship Durgatinashinyai, or just; Durga. We do this, > as Durga has the power to keep rahu under control. Take one of her > names; Chamundi. These means the killer of the demon 'Cham'. She has > similar names given due to her fighting with the Asuras. > > So Sarasvati cannot be indicated by Rahu... Here we look to > Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign > lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. > Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, > Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi. > > > > Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The > most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, > Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own > nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones > badhak due to it being neglected. > > > > Best wishes > > Visti > > --- > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > http://www.varahamihira > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 dear sarbani, yes, Harihara does not specifically mentions it. so my interpretation was, 1. when seeing ista from 12th of karakamsa, the placement and conjoins in navamsa to be seen 2. when seeing other dieties say for badhakesha in rashi, placements etc. in rashi to be seen not sure if i am correct. regards jk - Sarbani Sarkar varahamihira Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:20 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear JKda, Harihara does not mention Navamsa, but speaks of the deity represented by the planets in any of the houses. Also he does not speak of Ishta specifically. Merely, what I gathered, what would be the nature of the deity when placed in certain signs. The deities maybe those whom we ought to worship or desire to worship. Best regards, Sarbani j.k. dasgupta [dgassociates]Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:04 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Visti, Are the placement of ven in the sign of rajasik, satwik etc. or any other such combinations of planets (as explained by Harihara), to determine Ista - to be seen in rashi or navamsa? I think it should be seen in navamsa. Best regards jk - Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:36 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Karen, We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. Rahu is Sarpa. Have no doubt about it. It indicates snakes and snake worship. But to avoid that the person goes on this dark path, we ask them to worship Durgatinashinyai, or just; Durga. We do this, as Durga has the power to keep rahu under control. Take one of her names; Chamundi. These means the killer of the demon 'Cham'. She has similar names given due to her fighting with the Asuras. So Sarasvati cannot be indicated by Rahu... Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi. Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Karen Skoler varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:25 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Anna, Perhaps you know that Jaimini wrote in sloka 1.2.78 "Rahu in the 12th house ( from karakamsa) shows devotion towards Tamasi ( destroyer of darkenss) or Durga ( destroyer of all evils)" I've never heard of Saraswati represented by Rahu. To me it doesn't make sense. Saraswati is the consort of Bramha the creator and is known as the goddess of knowledge, creativity and musical instruments. Did the other list give any reasons why Saraswati would be represented by Rahu? I just found this story on the web about Saraswati and Rahu that may be of interest. "The gods and the demons by the mutual agreement decided to churn the ocean for the Amrit or the elixir of life. Mainak mountain was used as the churning rod and Basuki as the churning rope. When Lakshmi appeared with the Amrit kumbha both wanted the elixir. Saraswati with her exquisite beauty lured away the asuras. As the gods were drinking the Amrit, Rahu and Ketu, two asuras saw them and slipped with the Gods. As they drank the Amrit which would make them immoral like the gods, Vishnu detected them. He immediately cut off their heads. The two enraged asuras, swallowed the sun and moon but could not retain them as their throats where cut. This led to the origin of solar and lunar eclipse. Saraswati, who was instrumental in helping the Gods to be immortal, was established in the heaven as the Goddess Saraswati." Best Wishes, Karen - N.Anna varahamihira Friday, August 01, 2003 6:07 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q I've read on another list that Goddess Sarswati /?/ is considered Ishta Devata for Rahu. I would appreciate your comments. Thanks to all, Anna |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 OM NAMAO NARAYANAYA Dear Dasguptaji and Sarbaniji, I can give some intrpretations form Prashna Margam: arkaù çambhurudährutokhila gruheñvarko yadi dvandvabhe drekkäne prathame guhotra kathito vighneçvaro madhyame|| durgä çétakaro balé savibalaù käÿé sa eväbalaçcämundé pramukhästamoguëajuño bhaumälaystho yadi|| Meaning Surya is Karaka for Lord Shiva,but in all Dwiswabhava Rashis ie.,Mithuna,Kanya,Dhanu and Meena,1st drekkana ,we should pray to Lord Subrahmanya or Skanda.If Surya is in Madhya Drekkana ( Middle ),then the deity is Ganapathy.In all other Rashis ,Surya indicates Lord Shiva. If Chandra is strong,then the deity will be the good Avataras of Durga like Vana Durga,Arya Durga,Jala Durga etc.., If Chandra is weak,then the deities will be Kali,Bhadra Kali,Maha Kali etc.,the Rajasic type of Female deities.If weak Chandra is in Mesha or Vrischika,then Chamundi has to be prayed.Even Chandra is in Mesha or Vrischikamsha also then Chamundi has to be prayed. Now according to Keraleeya System,in dwiswabhava rasis,1-2-3 Navamshas indicates Subrahmanya or Skanda,4-5-6 Navamshas indicate Lord Ganapathy.In every Rashi,if 1-5-9th dwadamshas fall for either Surya,or Kuja or Guru,then Ganapathy has to be prayed,4-8-12th Dwadadhamsha for Chandra,Surya,Kuja,Guru,then Subrahmany has to be prayed.In Dwiswabhava Rasis ,if Guru occupies 1-2-3 rd Navamsha,then Subrahmanya is the God to be prayed,and if in 4-5-6th navamshas,then Ganapathy has to be prayed. kumäro bhairavädirvä sväçritarkñavaçätkujaù| cämundibhadrakäÿyadyäù sacedyugma samäçritaù|| In Satwik odd signs like Simha and Dhanu,which are occupied by Kuja,then Subrahmanya has to be prayed,in other odd signs ie.,Mesha,Tula,Kumbha,Kuja indicates Bhairava,an avatara of Lord Shiva.If Kuja occupies any of even signs,then Chamundi ,Bhadrakali etc.Ugra Devi Amshas have to be prayed. çré rämädyavatära viñëuritarakñetreñu candrätmajo pyantyatryaàçagataù sthire tu bhavane yadyeña gopälakaù| tryaàçentyetra sa viñëureva hi puarjévo mahäviñëura pyuktoyaà hyakhileçvarotra tu bhidä jneyä graharkñänvayät|| If Budha occupies any of the chara Rasis and any of the Dwisvabhava Rasis,then Vishnu Avatara like Sri Rama,Narasimha,Parashurama,Vithala,Vamana etc.,have to be prayed.If Budha occupies any of the Sthira Rashis 1st and 2nd Drekkana,then Gopala Krishna has to be prayed.If Budha occupies 3rd Drekkana of any of the Sthira Rashis,then Vishnu in different forms of Saligrama has to be worshipped. Guru indicates Lord Vishnu.But Guru's position in different Rashis also indicate some Deities.Simha Guru and Simamshaka Guru with Surya indicates Lord Shiva,if Guru is with Chandra,then Godess Durga has to be worshipped,If with Kuja,Subrahmanya has to be worshipped.Also in case of Shivites Guru indicates Lord Shiva,for Vaishnavites,Guru indicates Lord Vishnu,for Shaakteyas Shakti Devata and for Gaanapatha ,Guru indicates Ganapathy.Like this the different God worship has to be determined from Guru. annapürëeçvaré lakñmé yakñé vä bhrugunandanaù| mandaù çästädikaà daivaà rahuù sarpagaëa smrutaù From Shukra,Godess Annapurneshwari and Lakshmi have to be thought.If Shukra is in Swakeshetra,then one can worship Godess Lakshmi or Annapurneshwari.In auspicious houses Godess Lakshmi has to be worshipped and in evil houses ,Yakshi an Amsha of Godess has to be worshipped.From Shani,Shaastara has to be prayed ( Ayyappa Swami of Shabarimala ) Rahu indicates Sarpa and Sarpa Ganas.According to Jaimini ,Kethu refers to the worship of Lord Ganapathy. I hope this helps you. With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana, Ramadas Rao."j.k. dasgupta" <dgassociates wrote: dear sarbani, yes, Harihara does not specifically mentions it. so my interpretation was, 1. when seeing ista from 12th of karakamsa, the placement and conjoins in navamsa to be seen 2. when seeing other dieties say for badhakesha in rashi, placements etc. in rashi to be seen not sure if i am correct. regards jk - Sarbani Sarkar varahamihira Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:20 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear JKda, Harihara does not mention Navamsa, but speaks of the deity represented by the planets in any of the houses. Also he does not speak of Ishta specifically. Merely, what I gathered, what would be the nature of the deity when placed in certain signs. The deities maybe those whom we ought to worship or desire to worship. Best regards, Sarbani j.k. dasgupta [dgassociates]Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:04 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Visti, Are the placement of ven in the sign of rajasik, satwik etc. or any other such combinations of planets (as explained by Harihara), to determine Ista - to be seen in rashi or navamsa? I think it should be seen in navamsa. Best regards jk - Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:36 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Karen, We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. Rahu is Sarpa. Have no doubt about it. It indicates snakes and snake worship. But to avoid that the person goes on this dark path, we ask them to worship Durgatinashinyai, or just; Durga. We do this, as Durga has the power to keep rahu under control. Take one of her names; Chamundi. These means the killer of the demon 'Cham'. She has similar names given due to her fighting with the Asuras. So Sarasvati cannot be indicated by Rahu... Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi. Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Karen Skoler varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:25 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Anna, Perhaps you know that Jaimini wrote in sloka 1.2.78 "Rahu in the 12th house ( from karakamsa) shows devotion towards Tamasi ( destroyer of darkenss) or Durga ( destroyer of all evils)" I've never heard of Saraswati represented by Rahu. To me it doesn't make sense. Saraswati is the consort of Bramha the creator and is known as the goddess of knowledge, creativity and musical instruments. Did the other list give any reasons why Saraswati would be represented by Rahu? I just found this story on the web about Saraswati and Rahu that may be of interest. "The gods and the demons by the mutual agreement decided to churn the ocean for the Amrit or the elixir of life. Mainak mountain was used as the churning rod and Basuki as the churning rope. When Lakshmi appeared with the Amrit kumbha both wanted the elixir. Saraswati with her exquisite beauty lured away the asuras. As the gods were drinking the Amrit, Rahu and Ketu, two asuras saw them and slipped with the Gods. As they drank the Amrit which would make them immoral like the gods, Vishnu detected them. He immediately cut off their heads. The two enraged asuras, swallowed the sun and moon but could not retain them as their throats where cut. This led to the origin of solar and lunar eclipse. Saraswati, who was instrumental in helping the Gods to be immortal, was established in the heaven as the Goddess Saraswati." Best Wishes, Karen - N.Anna varahamihira Friday, August 01, 2003 6:07 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q I've read on another list that Goddess Sarswati /?/ is considered Ishta Devata for Rahu. I would appreciate your comments. Thanks to all, Anna |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 Dear Randas Raoji, Thanks for the nice mail. In 2nd, 3rd & 4th sloka various placements of kuja, budha, shukra etc. have been told. Now, for seeing Ista (indicated by planet at 12th from karakamsa) or any other such devatas (viz. palana devata) are judged from the D9. So in my view, the dieties for Ista or palanadevata are to be judged by the planets' D9 placements and conjoins - as told in prashna margam, unless it is specifically mentioned to see drekana. Am i correct or I am missing something here? Please give yr views on this. Regards jk - Ramadas Rao varahamihira Tuesday, August 05, 2003 11:15 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q OM NAMAO NARAYANAYA Dear Dasguptaji and Sarbaniji, I can give some intrpretations form Prashna Margam: arkaù çambhurudährutokhila gruheñvarko yadi dvandvabhe drekkäne prathame guhotra kathito vighneçvaro madhyame|| durgä çétakaro balé savibalaù käÿé sa eväbalaçcämundé pramukhästamoguëajuño bhaumälaystho yadi|| Meaning Surya is Karaka for Lord Shiva,but in all Dwiswabhava Rashis ie.,Mithuna,Kanya,Dhanu and Meena,1st drekkana ,we should pray to Lord Subrahmanya or Skanda.If Surya is in Madhya Drekkana ( Middle ),then the deity is Ganapathy.In all other Rashis ,Surya indicates Lord Shiva. If Chandra is strong,then the deity will be the good Avataras of Durga like Vana Durga,Arya Durga,Jala Durga etc.., If Chandra is weak,then the deities will be Kali,Bhadra Kali,Maha Kali etc.,the Rajasic type of Female deities.If weak Chandra is in Mesha or Vrischika,then Chamundi has to be prayed.Even Chandra is in Mesha or Vrischikamsha also then Chamundi has to be prayed. Now according to Keraleeya System,in dwiswabhava rasis,1-2-3 Navamshas indicates Subrahmanya or Skanda,4-5-6 Navamshas indicate Lord Ganapathy.In every Rashi,if 1-5-9th dwadamshas fall for either Surya,or Kuja or Guru,then Ganapathy has to be prayed,4-8-12th Dwadadhamsha for Chandra,Surya,Kuja,Guru,then Subrahmany has to be prayed.In Dwiswabhava Rasis ,if Guru occupies 1-2-3 rd Navamsha,then Subrahmanya is the God to be prayed,and if in 4-5-6th navamshas,then Ganapathy has to be prayed. kumäro bhairavädirvä sväçritarkñavaçätkujaù| cämundibhadrakäÿyadyäù sacedyugma samäçritaù|| In Satwik odd signs like Simha and Dhanu,which are occupied by Kuja,then Subrahmanya has to be prayed,in other odd signs ie.,Mesha,Tula,Kumbha,Kuja indicates Bhairava,an avatara of Lord Shiva.If Kuja occupies any of even signs,then Chamundi ,Bhadrakali etc.Ugra Devi Amshas have to be prayed. çré rämädyavatära viñëuritarakñetreñu candrätmajo pyantyatryaàçagataù sthire tu bhavane yadyeña gopälakaù| tryaàçentyetra sa viñëureva hi puarjévo mahäviñëura pyuktoyaà hyakhileçvarotra tu bhidä jneyä graharkñänvayät|| If Budha occupies any of the chara Rasis and any of the Dwisvabhava Rasis,then Vishnu Avatara like Sri Rama,Narasimha,Parashurama,Vithala,Vamana etc.,have to be prayed.If Budha occupies any of the Sthira Rashis 1st and 2nd Drekkana,then Gopala Krishna has to be prayed.If Budha occupies 3rd Drekkana of any of the Sthira Rashis,then Vishnu in different forms of Saligrama has to be worshipped. Guru indicates Lord Vishnu.But Guru's position in different Rashis also indicate some Deities.Simha Guru and Simamshaka Guru with Surya indicates Lord Shiva,if Guru is with Chandra,then Godess Durga has to be worshipped,If with Kuja,Subrahmanya has to be worshipped.Also in case of Shivites Guru indicates Lord Shiva,for Vaishnavites,Guru indicates Lord Vishnu,for Shaakteyas Shakti Devata and for Gaanapatha ,Guru indicates Ganapathy.Like this the different God worship has to be determined from Guru. annapürëeçvaré lakñmé yakñé vä bhrugunandanaù| mandaù çästädikaà daivaà rahuù sarpagaëa smrutaù From Shukra,Godess Annapurneshwari and Lakshmi have to be thought.If Shukra is in Swakeshetra,then one can worship Godess Lakshmi or Annapurneshwari.In auspicious houses Godess Lakshmi has to be worshipped and in evil houses ,Yakshi an Amsha of Godess has to be worshipped.From Shani,Shaastara has to be prayed ( Ayyappa Swami of Shabarimala ) Rahu indicates Sarpa and Sarpa Ganas.According to Jaimini ,Kethu refers to the worship of Lord Ganapathy. I hope this helps you. With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana, Ramadas Rao."j.k. dasgupta" <dgassociates wrote: dear sarbani, yes, Harihara does not specifically mentions it. so my interpretation was, 1. when seeing ista from 12th of karakamsa, the placement and conjoins in navamsa to be seen 2. when seeing other dieties say for badhakesha in rashi, placements etc. in rashi to be seen not sure if i am correct. regards jk - Sarbani Sarkar varahamihira Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:20 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear JKda, Harihara does not mention Navamsa, but speaks of the deity represented by the planets in any of the houses. Also he does not speak of Ishta specifically. Merely, what I gathered, what would be the nature of the deity when placed in certain signs. The deities maybe those whom we ought to worship or desire to worship. Best regards, Sarbani j.k. dasgupta [dgassociates]Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:04 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Visti, Are the placement of ven in the sign of rajasik, satwik etc. or any other such combinations of planets (as explained by Harihara), to determine Ista - to be seen in rashi or navamsa? I think it should be seen in navamsa. Best regards jk - Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:36 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Karen, We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. Rahu is Sarpa. Have no doubt about it. It indicates snakes and snake worship. But to avoid that the person goes on this dark path, we ask them to worship Durgatinashinyai, or just; Durga. We do this, as Durga has the power to keep rahu under control. Take one of her names; Chamundi. These means the killer of the demon 'Cham'. She has similar names given due to her fighting with the Asuras. So Sarasvati cannot be indicated by Rahu... Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi. Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Karen Skoler varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:25 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Anna, Perhaps you know that Jaimini wrote in sloka 1.2.78 "Rahu in the 12th house ( from karakamsa) shows devotion towards Tamasi ( destroyer of darkenss) or Durga ( destroyer of all evils)" I've never heard of Saraswati represented by Rahu. To me it doesn't make sense. Saraswati is the consort of Bramha the creator and is known as the goddess of knowledge, creativity and musical instruments. Did the other list give any reasons why Saraswati would be represented by Rahu? I just found this story on the web about Saraswati and Rahu that may be of interest. "The gods and the demons by the mutual agreement decided to churn the ocean for the Amrit or the elixir of life. Mainak mountain was used as the churning rod and Basuki as the churning rope. When Lakshmi appeared with the Amrit kumbha both wanted the elixir. Saraswati with her exquisite beauty lured away the asuras. As the gods were drinking the Amrit, Rahu and Ketu, two asuras saw them and slipped with the Gods. As they drank the Amrit which would make them immoral like the gods, Vishnu detected them. He immediately cut off their heads. The two enraged asuras, swallowed the sun and moon but could not retain them as their throats where cut. This led to the origin of solar and lunar eclipse. Saraswati, who was instrumental in helping the Gods to be immortal, was established in the heaven as the Goddess Saraswati." Best Wishes, Karen - N.Anna varahamihira Friday, August 01, 2003 6:07 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q I've read on another list that Goddess Sarswati /?/ is considered Ishta Devata for Rahu. I would appreciate your comments. Thanks to all, Anna |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Dasguptaji, Prashna Margam has not written about this but as you said 12th from AK in Navmasha whcih indicates a particular Ishta Devatha can be identified by the method which I wrote.The planet in 12th in AK in Navamsha can be checked in the Rasi chart and deity can be known by this simple method. With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. "j.k. dasgupta" <dgassociates wrote: Dear Randas Raoji, Thanks for the nice mail. In 2nd, 3rd & 4th sloka various placements of kuja, budha, shukra etc. have been told. Now, for seeing Ista (indicated by planet at 12th from karakamsa) or any other such devatas (viz. palana devata) are judged from the D9. So in my view, the dieties for Ista or palanadevata are to be judged by the planets' D9 placements and conjoins - as told in prashna margam, unless it is specifically mentioned to see drekana. Am i correct or I am missing something here? Please give yr views on this. Regards jk - Ramadas Rao varahamihira Tuesday, August 05, 2003 11:15 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q OM NAMAO NARAYANAYA Dear Dasguptaji and Sarbaniji, I can give some intrpretations form Prashna Margam: arkaù çambhurudährutokhila gruheñvarko yadi dvandvabhe drekkäne prathame guhotra kathito vighneçvaro madhyame|| durgä çétakaro balé savibalaù käÿé sa eväbalaçcämundé pramukhästamoguëajuño bhaumälaystho yadi|| Meaning Surya is Karaka for Lord Shiva,but in all Dwiswabhava Rashis ie.,Mithuna,Kanya,Dhanu and Meena,1st drekkana ,we should pray to Lord Subrahmanya or Skanda.If Surya is in Madhya Drekkana ( Middle ),then the deity is Ganapathy.In all other Rashis ,Surya indicates Lord Shiva. If Chandra is strong,then the deity will be the good Avataras of Durga like Vana Durga,Arya Durga,Jala Durga etc.., If Chandra is weak,then the deities will be Kali,Bhadra Kali,Maha Kali etc.,the Rajasic type of Female deities.If weak Chandra is in Mesha or Vrischika,then Chamundi has to be prayed.Even Chandra is in Mesha or Vrischikamsha also then Chamundi has to be prayed. Now according to Keraleeya System,in dwiswabhava rasis,1-2-3 Navamshas indicates Subrahmanya or Skanda,4-5-6 Navamshas indicate Lord Ganapathy.In every Rashi,if 1-5-9th dwadamshas fall for either Surya,or Kuja or Guru,then Ganapathy has to be prayed,4-8-12th Dwadadhamsha for Chandra,Surya,Kuja,Guru,then Subrahmany has to be prayed.In Dwiswabhava Rasis ,if Guru occupies 1-2-3 rd Navamsha,then Subrahmanya is the God to be prayed,and if in 4-5-6th navamshas,then Ganapathy has to be prayed. kumäro bhairavädirvä sväçritarkñavaçätkujaù| cämundibhadrakäÿyadyäù sacedyugma samäçritaù|| In Satwik odd signs like Simha and Dhanu,which are occupied by Kuja,then Subrahmanya has to be prayed,in other odd signs ie.,Mesha,Tula,Kumbha,Kuja indicates Bhairava,an avatara of Lord Shiva.If Kuja occupies any of even signs,then Chamundi ,Bhadrakali etc.Ugra Devi Amshas have to be prayed. çré rämädyavatära viñëuritarakñetreñu candrätmajo pyantyatryaàçagataù sthire tu bhavane yadyeña gopälakaù| tryaàçentyetra sa viñëureva hi puarjévo mahäviñëura pyuktoyaà hyakhileçvarotra tu bhidä jneyä graharkñänvayät|| If Budha occupies any of the chara Rasis and any of the Dwisvabhava Rasis,then Vishnu Avatara like Sri Rama,Narasimha,Parashurama,Vithala,Vamana etc.,have to be prayed.If Budha occupies any of the Sthira Rashis 1st and 2nd Drekkana,then Gopala Krishna has to be prayed.If Budha occupies 3rd Drekkana of any of the Sthira Rashis,then Vishnu in different forms of Saligrama has to be worshipped. Guru indicates Lord Vishnu.But Guru's position in different Rashis also indicate some Deities.Simha Guru and Simamshaka Guru with Surya indicates Lord Shiva,if Guru is with Chandra,then Godess Durga has to be worshipped,If with Kuja,Subrahmanya has to be worshipped.Also in case of Shivites Guru indicates Lord Shiva,for Vaishnavites,Guru indicates Lord Vishnu,for Shaakteyas Shakti Devata and for Gaanapatha ,Guru indicates Ganapathy.Like this the different God worship has to be determined from Guru. annapürëeçvaré lakñmé yakñé vä bhrugunandanaù| mandaù çästädikaà daivaà rahuù sarpagaëa smrutaù From Shukra,Godess Annapurneshwari and Lakshmi have to be thought.If Shukra is in Swakeshetra,then one can worship Godess Lakshmi or Annapurneshwari.In auspicious houses Godess Lakshmi has to be worshipped and in evil houses ,Yakshi an Amsha of Godess has to be worshipped.From Shani,Shaastara has to be prayed ( Ayyappa Swami of Shabarimala ) Rahu indicates Sarpa and Sarpa Ganas.According to Jaimini ,Kethu refers to the worship of Lord Ganapathy. I hope this helps you. With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana, Ramadas Rao."j.k. dasgupta" <dgassociates wrote: dear sarbani, yes, Harihara does not specifically mentions it. so my interpretation was, 1. when seeing ista from 12th of karakamsa, the placement and conjoins in navamsa to be seen 2. when seeing other dieties say for badhakesha in rashi, placements etc. in rashi to be seen not sure if i am correct. regards jk - Sarbani Sarkar varahamihira Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:20 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear JKda, Harihara does not mention Navamsa, but speaks of the deity represented by the planets in any of the houses. Also he does not speak of Ishta specifically. Merely, what I gathered, what would be the nature of the deity when placed in certain signs. The deities maybe those whom we ought to worship or desire to worship. Best regards, Sarbani j.k. dasgupta [dgassociates]Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:04 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Visti, Are the placement of ven in the sign of rajasik, satwik etc. or any other such combinations of planets (as explained by Harihara), to determine Ista - to be seen in rashi or navamsa? I think it should be seen in navamsa. Best regards jk - Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:36 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Karen, We normally understand that it was Vishnu in the form of Mohini who lured the Asuras, and not Saraswati. This is given in the Bhagavad Purana and other classics as well. Rahu is Sarpa. Have no doubt about it. It indicates snakes and snake worship. But to avoid that the person goes on this dark path, we ask them to worship Durgatinashinyai, or just; Durga. We do this, as Durga has the power to keep rahu under control. Take one of her names; Chamundi. These means the killer of the demon 'Cham'. She has similar names given due to her fighting with the Asuras. So Sarasvati cannot be indicated by Rahu... Here we look to Harihara (author of Prasna Marga) who states that Venus in a sign lorded by Rajasic planets (Venus, Mercury) indicates Saraswati. Similarly when under the influence of Sattvic planets (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) it indicates Laxmi, whilst under Tamas it indicates Yakshi. Now must you worship this specific form? Not necessarily. The most purest form (Laxmi - Sattva Guna or higher forms; Parasurama, Rshikesha) should be preferred, as the worship will also mold our own nature. Also this will depend on context, say a deity becomes ones badhak due to it being neglected. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Karen Skoler varahamihira Monday, August 04, 2003 2:25 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q Dear Anna, Perhaps you know that Jaimini wrote in sloka 1.2.78 "Rahu in the 12th house ( from karakamsa) shows devotion towards Tamasi ( destroyer of darkenss) or Durga ( destroyer of all evils)" I've never heard of Saraswati represented by Rahu. To me it doesn't make sense. Saraswati is the consort of Bramha the creator and is known as the goddess of knowledge, creativity and musical instruments. Did the other list give any reasons why Saraswati would be represented by Rahu? I just found this story on the web about Saraswati and Rahu that may be of interest. "The gods and the demons by the mutual agreement decided to churn the ocean for the Amrit or the elixir of life. Mainak mountain was used as the churning rod and Basuki as the churning rope. When Lakshmi appeared with the Amrit kumbha both wanted the elixir. Saraswati with her exquisite beauty lured away the asuras. As the gods were drinking the Amrit, Rahu and Ketu, two asuras saw them and slipped with the Gods. As they drank the Amrit which would make them immoral like the gods, Vishnu detected them. He immediately cut off their heads. The two enraged asuras, swallowed the sun and moon but could not retain them as their throats where cut. This led to the origin of solar and lunar eclipse. Saraswati, who was instrumental in helping the Gods to be immortal, was established in the heaven as the Goddess Saraswati." Best Wishes, Karen - N.Anna varahamihira Friday, August 01, 2003 6:07 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Q I've read on another list that Goddess Sarswati /?/ is considered Ishta Devata for Rahu. I would appreciate your comments. Thanks to all, Anna |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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