Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 At 08:28 AM 7/2/04 -0700, Arthyr wrote: >Hi All, > >It is my understanding that the Navamsha is also >the chart of the soul as well as the ideal spouse. Arthyr, what is the source of this understanding? Barbara Cameron, who used MaHaBote (Burmese astrology), said that her teacher taught her that the navamsa didn't click in until later in life. Anne, I'll try to reply to your last post when I have more time. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 It's really hard to say where one begins and the other leaves off, but I think that's generally true. This is what came to me a few years back (may or may not be right): natal is manifestation, navamsa is conceptualization. Natal has more to do with what happens to you and what you're like here on earth, navamsa is sort of a shadow chart. I don't mean shadow in a negative way, like your secret desire to do evil ... more like an unseen part of yourself. That's just how I see it. .... Bettina Arthyr [awc99] Friday, July 02, 2004 8:29 AM Navamsha chart Hi All, It is my understanding that the Navamsha is also the chart of the soul as well as the ideal spouse. Where do I stand on this subject? See you in the stars, Arthyr, http://TheSunsetChart.com " Making Ancient Astrology Work for You " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Arthyr ... I've thought that maybe the navamsa could be the chart of the anima/animus as Jung called it; the feminine/masculine soul which is the opposite of our physical gender. I change what I said this AM. I was still groggy. I said natal=manifestation, navamsa=motivation (not conceptualization). .... Bettina Arthyr [awc99] Friday, July 02, 2004 9:25 AM Navamsha chart At 08:41 AM 7/2/2004 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:28 AM 7/2/04 -0700, Arthyr wrote: >>Hi All, >> >>It is my understanding that the Navamsha is also >>the chart of the soul as well as the ideal spouse. > >Arthyr, what is the source of this understanding? Many years ago, I " hermatized " myself out in Palm Springs for a period of several months just to get my head organized into the Vedic terminology etcetera. It was there in many of the books I studied that this concept was mentioned. B.V Raman and V.G. Rele come to mind. . . The other source came from a teacher of Jyotish , name not notable. Frawley in his " Astrology of the Seers " mentions the spiritual trappings of the first house ruler or the Atmakaraka placed in the 9th of the Navamsha (pp 131). I probably wont research this as a source as I'm pretty well trussed into " biz " activities. . . See you in the stars, Arthyr, http://TheSunsetChart.com " Making Ancient Astrology Work for You " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Hello Bettina, Arthyr and Patrice, As from the position of the planets the navamsha chart is not the actual constellation of a person's time of birth. Can anyone explain why a certain constellation is shown in a navamsha chart, for example the pluto of 2040 in my chart? Where to look in that chart to find information about a spouse? Kind regards, Anne , " Bettina " <chiria@n...> wrote: > Arthyr ... > > > I've thought that maybe the navamsa could be the chart of the anima/animus > as Jung called it; the feminine/masculine soul which is the opposite of our > physical gender. > > I change what I said this AM. I was still groggy. I said > natal=manifestation, navamsa=motivation (not conceptualization). > > > ... Bettina > > > > > Arthyr [awc99@m...] > Friday, July 02, 2004 9:25 AM > > Navamsha chart > > > At 08:41 AM 7/2/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >At 08:28 AM 7/2/04 -0700, Arthyr wrote: > >>Hi All, > >> > >>It is my understanding that the Navamsha is also > >>the chart of the soul as well as the ideal spouse. > > > >Arthyr, what is the source of this understanding? > > Many years ago, I " hermatized " myself out in Palm Springs > for a period of several months just to get my head organized > into the Vedic terminology etcetera. > > It was there in many of the books I studied that this concept was mentioned. > B.V Raman and V.G. Rele come to mind. . . The other source came from a > teacher of Jyotish , name not notable. Frawley in his " Astrology of the > Seers " > mentions the spiritual trappings of the first house ruler or the Atmakaraka > placed in the 9th of the Navamsha (pp 131). > > I probably wont research this as a > source as I'm pretty well trussed into " biz " activities. . . > > See you in the stars, > Arthyr, > > http://TheSunsetChart.com > " Making Ancient Astrology Work for You " > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Hi Anne, In Light on Life, which I just mentioned to you in our private email resending your chart, there is a great explanation on Navamsa charts and also how they are calculated. There's a powerful bit of information there in about 6 pages, chock full of the thinking regarding the Navamsa chart and why it is, as they say, "..by all accounts the most important of all the amshas... pre-eminence in the amshas..." or varga charts. Peace, Patrice ___________ Hello Bettina, Arthyr and Patrice,As from the position of the planets the navamsha chart is not the actual constellation of a person's time of birth.Can anyone explain why a certain constellation is shown in a navamsha chart, for example the pluto of 2040 in my chart? Where to look in that chart to find information about a spouse?Kind regards,Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 At 11:09 AM 7/2/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Arthyr ... Hi Bettina, > > >I've thought that maybe the navamsa could be the chart of the anima/animus >as Jung called it; the feminine/masculine soul which is the opposite of our >physical gender. A wonderful thought. . . >I change what I said this AM. I was still groggy. I said >natal=manifestation, navamsa=motivation (not conceptualization). > > >... Bettina > See you in the stars, Arthyr, http://TheSunsetChart.com " Making Ancient Astrology Work for You " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Hi Patrice, I could only order the book of Wilhelm at amazon.com, but I also saw a synastry-book by Defouw and Svoboda. Oh I am crazy: I allready ordered 3 astrology books this week! (also one from Willi Sucher.) Anne , " Patrice Curry " <patricecurry@c...> wrote: > Hi Anne, > > In Light on Life, which I just mentioned to you in our private email resending your chart, there is a great explanation on Navamsa charts and also how they are calculated. There's a powerful bit of information there in about 6 pages, chock full of the thinking regarding the Navamsa chart and why it is, as they say, " ..by all accounts the most important of all the amshas... pre-eminence in the amshas... " or varga charts. > > Peace, > Patrice > ___________ > Hello Bettina, Arthyr and Patrice, > > As from the position of the planets the navamsha chart is not the > actual constellation of a person's time of birth. > Can anyone explain why a certain constellation is shown in a > navamsha chart, for example the pluto of 2040 in my chart? Where to > look in that chart to find information about a spouse? > > Kind regards, > > Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 At 09:24 AM 7/2/04 -0700, Arthyr wrote: >At 08:41 AM 7/2/2004 -0700, you wrote: >>>It is my understanding that the Navamsha is also >>>the chart of the soul as well as the ideal spouse. >It was there in many of the books I studied that this concept was mentioned. >B.V Raman and V.G. Rele come to mind. . . The other source came from a >teacher of Jyotish , name not notable. Frawley in his " Astrology of the Seers " >mentions the spiritual trappings of the first house ruler or the Atmakaraka >placed in the 9th of the Navamsha (pp 131). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks, Arthyr. For a long time I've considered the navamsa as the person behind the chart. When you read about the personality traits of a person, more often than not they'll correlate with the navmasa aspects to the Moon as well as/or rather than those in the natal chart. I tend to think of the navamsa as the soul's plan for this life. If there's a big difference between the navamsa and the natal chart, the person has messed up. No organized research here, just my thoughts. The next few days are the 4th of July celebrations here in town. No one does anything but party until after Monday. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 >>At 08:41 AM 7/2/2004 -0700, Therese wrote: > >Thanks, Arthyr. For a long time I've considered the navamsa as the person >behind the chart. When you read about the personality traits of a person, >more often than not they'll correlate with the navmasa aspects to the Moon >as well as/or rather than those in the natal chart. I have seen this also. > >I tend to think of the navamsa as the soul's plan for this life. If there's >a big difference between the navamsa and the natal chart, the person has >messed up. No organized research here, just my thoughts. >Therese > I'll check this idea out. . . I have a few clients that are probably the " Least spiritually inclined " people I have met. Thanks for the food for thought. Another note: The Navamsha chart is rather revered in India as the spouse chart. I met a lady many years ago that had four planets located where my Navamsha planets were. What an experience!!! We still are in contact although for (it seems a lifetime) purposes of being a helping hand for an aunt she has been away for quite sometime. My work doesn't allow my moving. . . so we remain apart. See you in the stars, Arthyr, http://TheSunsetChart.com " Making Ancient Astrology Work for You " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 Hi Therese and Arthyr, This is interesting. How do you mean this with respect to the aspects to the Moon in the navamsa chart? Are you meaning the aspects within the navamsa chart to the Moon's location in the navamsa chart, or aspects from the navamsa onto the Moon in the natal chart? If it's the 2nd, then also are you rotating the navamsa chart if a different lagna than in the natal chart as well? Thanks for sharing this. Patrice >Thanks, Arthyr. For a long time I've considered the navamsa as the person>behind the chart. When you read about the personality traits of a person,>more often than not they'll correlate with the navmasa aspects to the Moon>as well as/or rather than those in the natal chart.I have seen this also.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 At 11:07 PM 7/2/04 -0400, Patrice wrote: > Hi Therese and Arthyr, to the Moon's location in the navamsa >chart, or aspects from the navamsa onto the Moon in the natal chart? If >it's the 2nd, then also are you rotating the navamsa chart if a different >lagna than in the natal chart as well? Hi Patrice, I use the conjunctions, oppositions and squares to the Moon **by sign** within the navamsa chart. If the orb is very wide (I always use navamsa degrees...), I might reconsider. I also use navamsa conjunctions to the natal Moon. These are important planets for the Moon. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 At 07:55 PM 7/2/04 -0700, Arthyr wrote: > Therese wrote: >>I tend to think of the navamsa as the soul's plan for this life. If there's >>a big difference between the navamsa and the natal chart, the person has >>messed up. No organized research here, just my thoughts. >>Therese >> > >Arthyr wrote: >I'll check this idea out. . . I have a few clients that are >probably the " Least spiritually inclined " people I have met. >Thanks for the food for thought. I think the navamsa would show the purpose of the life. It may not be one's purpose to consciously pursue a spiritual life. Then the navamsa would show this if the theory is correct. >Another note: >The Navamsha chart is rather revered in India as the >spouse chart. I met a lady many years ago that had >four planets located where my Navamsha planets were. > >What an experience!!! Oh, that definitely works!! Just study the charts of long time devoted couples (as Prince Charles and Camilla, for example) or William Hurst and his long time mistress, Marian Davies. Very interesting navamsa-natal overlaps. >We still are in contact although for (it seems a lifetime) >purposes of being a helping hand for an aunt she has >been away for quite sometime. >My work doesn't allow my moving. . . so we remain apart. Friends? I thought you were married?! (Just teasing...) Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 Hi Patrice, At 11:07 PM 7/2/2004 -0400, you wrote: Hi Therese and Arthyr, This is interesting. How do you mean this with respect to the aspects to the Moon in the navamsa chart? Strictly Navamsha for me. I use 3 degree orbs and I am most interested in the " Ptolemaaaic " aspects Are you meaning the aspects within the navamsa chart to the Moon's location in the navamsa chart, Yes. . . or aspects from the navamsa onto the Moon in the natal chart? Navamsha only If it's the 2nd, then also are you rotating the navamsa chart if a different lagna than in the natal chart as well? I'm not clear on this question. . .rephrase please? Thanks for sharing this. Patrice Absolutely. See you in the stars, Arthyr, http://TheSunsetChart.com " Making Ancient Astrology Work for You " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 Therese ... I think it's important to also use the major aspects for each planet, i.e. trines from Jupiter, quincunxes from Mars. .... Bettina Therese Hamilton [eastwest] Saturday, July 03, 2004 12:11 AM Re: Re: Navamsha chart At 11:07 PM 7/2/04 -0400, Patrice wrote: > Hi Therese and Arthyr, to the Moon's location in the navamsa >chart, or aspects from the navamsa onto the Moon in the natal chart? If >it's the 2nd, then also are you rotating the navamsa chart if a different >lagna than in the natal chart as well? Hi Patrice, I use the conjunctions, oppositions and squares to the Moon **by sign** within the navamsa chart. If the orb is very wide (I always use navamsa degrees...), I might reconsider. I also use navamsa conjunctions to the natal Moon. These are important planets for the Moon. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 At 05:50 AM 7/3/04 -0700, Arthyr wrote: >Yes married. . . it STILL was quite an experience! I've run into a few of those experiences myself. How can we not if we live longer than 20 years? How many lives and attachments have we all had?? I have a close Neptune-Venus conjunction square the ascendant. Venus-Neptune-Sun conjunction in the navamsa. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 At 09:52 AM 7/3/04 -0700, Bettina wrote: >Therese ... > > >I think it's important to also use the major aspects for each planet, i.e. >trines from Jupiter, quincunxes from Mars. Now that you mention it, sometimes I will use a close grand trine in the navamsa, thinking that it will probably reduce to a conjunction in another harmonic. I don't think I'd use the navamsa quincunx however. T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Not even from Mars? .... Bettina Therese Hamilton [eastwest] Saturday, July 03, 2004 7:20 PM Re: Navamsha chart At 09:52 AM 7/3/04 -0700, Bettina wrote: >Therese ... > > >I think it's important to also use the major aspects for each planet, i.e. >trines from Jupiter, quincunxes from Mars. Now that you mention it, sometimes I will use a close grand trine in the navamsa, thinking that it will probably reduce to a conjunction in another harmonic. I don't think I'd use the navamsa quincunx however. T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Hello!!!! How is everyone? So, I`m trying to learn how to read a Navamsha Chart...I understand it`s a divisional chart, and it reads overall luck and overall success with spouse or love life. My question is this: You know how in the natal chart, your first spouse is read from 7th house, second lover from 8th, third from 9th, well that`s not the case with Navamsha right? Navamsha should show strongest love in 7th, etc...is that correct? Navamsha is not going to follow the same sequence as Natal chart correct? Thank you!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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