Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 dear all, a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab e) query - when i will get married? There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.....is it be so? please tell me about the nature of my life partner? f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 Loss of job 9 april 2008.. joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Rajinder bhai, 1.As far as sun in 7th is concerned it is not really conducive as you keep yourself away from all of them.You want to do most of things on your own and independently.This is how your employers too obeserve about yout. You are a good person but some times for no reason you try avoid people.This will be problem which you can sort out by learning to work in groups. It can not be denied that a girl from a higher status can be your life partner.But your financial status and family background also needs to be considered for proper settlement if life and for married life. You can expect marraige to take place around Nov 2010.Present transit of planets are not conducive for marraige till next 4 months.In the mean time try to stabilise your job 2.As per prashna lagna,if you initiate trials for marraige it may take place around oct/Nov 2009.Shaadi jaroor hojayenge aur jyada dher bhi nahi hai.In the meantime sarkari naukari or related jobs that ensures security are better .You have chances to get them. From moga ,you life partnes will be from south east direction and will be 5..1/5.2 height..7th lord from moon happens to be mars .In case you have shown interest in your working environment/office with any friend,please rule out her interest. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Rajinder <rajindersingh23 wrote: Rajinder <rajindersingh23 when i will get married? Saturday, January 9, 2010, 9:54 AM  dear all, a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab e) query - when i will get married? There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? please tell me about the nature of my life partner? f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 Loss of job 9 april 2008.. joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Really Krishan Ji you are too kind of a man!! Bless you soul..Your forum children should feel ever so grateful. Now you are bound to get plenty of Mewa for all the selfless Seva you are doing for strangers!! Lilly , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Rajinder bhai, > 1.As far as sun in 7th is concerned it is not really conducive as you keep yourself away from all of them.You want to do most of things on your own and independently.This is how your employers too obeserve about yout. > You are a good person but some times for no reason you try avoid people.This will be problem which you can sort out by learning to work in groups. > It can not be denied that a girl from a higher status can be your life partner.But your financial status and family background also needs to be considered for proper settlement if life and for married life. > You can expect marraige to take place around Nov 2010.Present transit of planets are not conducive for marraige till next 4 months.In the mean time try to stabilise your job > 2.As per prashna lagna,if you initiate trials for marraige it may take place around oct/Nov 2009.Shaadi jaroor hojayenge aur jyada dher bhi nahi hai.In the meantime sarkari naukari or related jobs that ensures security are better .You have chances to get them. > From moga ,you life partnes will be from south east direction and will be 5..1/5.2 height..7th lord from moon happens to be mars .In case you have shown interest in your working environment/office with any friend,please rule out her interest. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Rajinder <rajindersingh23 wrote: > > > Rajinder <rajindersingh23 > when i will get married? > > Saturday, January 9, 2010, 9:54 AM > > >  > > > > dear all, > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > e) query - when i will get married? > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > Thanks in advance > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: In a relatively large database 6.997% charts had sun in 7 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! Rohiniranjan , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23 wrote: > > dear all, > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > e) query - when i will get married? > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.....is it be so? > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > Thanks in advance > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Where Parivartan Yoga is not established from sripat bhava spast & Placidus system rather sub lord of  7th cusp is found Mercury which is posited in debiliated & dual sign which indicates some thing different thing.Hence in that case Mercury must be  propitiated for safest course; Second marriage is indicated if the following two conditions are simultaneously satisfied: 1. The sub-lord of the 7th cusp is deposited in a dual sign or in the constellation of a planet in or owning a dual sign or if the sub-lord of the 7th cusp is Mercury; and 2. The sub-lord of the 7th cusp is also a significator of either of the houses 2 or 11. If any of the above two conditions is not satisfied, then second marriage is denied. (It is to be noted that signification of 7th house is omitted for the purpose of 2nd marriage.) Source: /message/608  Reference: 1. /message/25693 2. MMRULES.TXT 3. KSK%20RULES%20FOR%20SECOND%20MARR\ IAGE.doc - KP Rules for Second Marriage  BIRTH TIME RECTIFICATION-------------------------------- At 22:10PM birth Time[For Lahiri & K.P Ayanamsa] [1]Ascendant    Star lord         sub lord    sub sub lord                                         \      Mercury------- Rahu    Moon           Mercury          Jupiter the above shows incorrect birth time   At 22:11PM birth Time[For Lahiri ] & [22:10:30PM for K.P Ayanamsa] correct birth time [1]Ascendant    Star lord         sub lord    sub sub lord                                         \      Mercury------- Jupiter    Moon           Mercury          Jupiter    Jupiter is Nak. Lord of 9th & Venus is sub lord of 9th cusp also foundby Mr.M.P.Shanmugham The Moon's star-lord and sub-lord must appear as the sub-lord and sub-sublord of the Ascendant, if the Ascendant is correct. Reference: K.P. & Astrology,Part II. by late Shri M.P. Shanmugham & Edited by Mr.K.Subramaniam. by Mr.M.P.Shanmugham The Sun, Jupiter and Venus, alone, are the three planets mainly responsible for human births... i) Sun is the Athma Karaka-chief sigificator of the soul... ii) Jupiter is Putrakaraka-chief significator for childbirth... iii)Venus is Kamakaraka-chief significator for sexual pleasure...                                         \        It has been observed by the late M.P.Shanmugham, that Sun or Jupiter or Venus, are always found as the starlord or sublord of the IXth cusp. Thus emerges the method, that if the IXth sublord is found to be under the said circumstances(sic), the horoscope cast is correct...to the minute... ! I have rectified the birth time by adding 30 seconds and correct birth time for K.P system is found 22:10:30PM. Reference: /message/22262 Marriage may take place during DBA of Venus-Ketu-Moon    i.e 9/2010 to 10/2010 Or                                     during DBA of Venus-Ketu-Mercury i.e 5/2011 to 7/2011 Dhirendra Nath Misra  ________________________________ Rajinder <rajindersingh23 Sat, January 9, 2010 8:24:22 PM when i will get married?  dear all, a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab e) query - when i will get married? There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? please tell me about the nature of my life partner? f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 Loss of job 9 april 2008.. joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 RR_Ji, On your next research or experiment please do inform me and others (if applicable) on the forum! I wouldn't want to miss the change of being a guinea and put my 2 pennies worth of contribution to mankind! I too want to be statistic in this lifetime for others to learn. Lily , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > In a relatively large database > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@> wrote: > > > > dear all, > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > e) query - when i will get married? > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.....is it be so? > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > Thanks in advance > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Suresh_ji, Some background exists at http://boloji.com/astro/00342.htm If you find time in your busy schedule, please browse this article related to numbers and percentages ( " Traps in Jyotish " is the article's title). Regards, Rohiniranjan , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Suresh jee, > > Your calculation does not seem right. > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > Regards, > > RR_, > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > Nos & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > You have presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > That converted to figures: > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%) = 1364 > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public with statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space technologies should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both are equaly dangerous. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > Re: when i will get married? > > > >  > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > In a relatively large database > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Suresh_jee there were two groups! The " population " and the 'sample' The population was 19K+ The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7. Please read the original message calmly :-) The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'! I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-) PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-) RR_, , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Rohiniji, > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates do the calculations. > > You can try it yourself. > > What you infer from it is upto you. > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% " > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of cases divorced with sun in the 7th " > > I do understood what you tried to convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit. > > But frankly, do you think, these things shall help anyone? >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM > Re: when i will get married? > >  > Suresh jee, > > Your calculation does not seem right. > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > Regards, > > RR_, > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > Nos & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > You have presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > That converted to figures: > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%) = 1364 > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public with statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space technologies should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both are equaly dangerous. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > Re: when i will get married? > > > >  > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > In a relatively large database > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Dear Rajinder Ji,                       In your birth chart Sthan Parivartan Yoga of 7th lord (Mars) and 11th lord(Sun) is seen from lagna chart but it is neither established from sripat bhava spast nor from Placidus system rather as per K.P sub lord of  7th cusp is found Mercury which is posited in debiliated & dual sign which indicates some thing different.Hence in that case Mercury must be  propitiated by all means for safest course;as second marriage is indicated, if the following two conditions are simultaneously satisfied: 1. The sub-lord of the 7th cusp is deposited in a dual sign or in the constellation of a planet in or owning a dual sign or if the sub-lord of the 7th cusp is Mercury; and 2. The sub-lord of the 7th cusp is also a significator of either of the houses 2 or 11. If any of the above two conditions is not satisfied, then second marriage is denied. (It is to be noted that signification of 7th house is omitted for the purpose of 2nd marriage.) Source: http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 608  Reference: 1. http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 25693 2. http://groups. / group/k_p_ system MMRULES.TXT 3. http://groups. / group/k_p_ system KSK%20RULES% 20FOR%20SECOND% 20MARRIAGE. doc - KP Rules for Second Marriage  BIRTH TIME RECTIFICATION- --------- --------- --------- ---- At 22:10PM birth Time[For Lahiri & K.P Ayanamsa] [1]Ascendant    Star lord         sub lord    sub sub lord                                         \      Mercury----- -- Rahu    Moon           Mercury          Jupiter the above sub sub lord of ascendant shows incorrect birth time   At 22:11PM birth Time[For Lahiri ] & [22:10:30PM for K.P Ayanamsa] correct birth time [1]Ascendant    Star lord         sub lord    sub sub lord                                         \      Mercury----- -- Jupiter    Moon           Mercury          Jupiter    Jupiter is Nak. Lord of 9th & Venus is sub lord of 9th cusp also foundby Mr.M.P.Shanmugham The Moon's star-lord and sub-lord must appear as the sub-lord and sub-sublord of the Ascendant, if the Ascendant is correct. Reference: K.P. & Astrology,Part II. by late Shri M.P. Shanmugham & Edited by Mr.K.Subramaniam. by Mr.M.P.Shanmugham The Sun, Jupiter and Venus, alone, are the three planets mainly responsible for human births... i) Sun is the Athma Karaka-chief sigificator of the soul... ii) Jupiter is Putrakaraka- chief significator for childbirth.. . iii)Venus is Kamakaraka-chief significator for sexual pleasure...                                         \        It has been observed by the late M.P.Shanmugham, that Sun or Jupiter or Venus, are always found as the starlord or sublord of the IXth cusp. Thus emerges the method, that if the IXth sublord is found to be under the said circumstances( sic), the horoscope cast is correct...to the minute... ! I have rectified the birth time by adding 30 seconds and correct birth time for K.P system is found 22:10:30PM. Reference: http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 22262 Marriage may take place during DBA of Venus-Ketu-Moon    i.e 9/2010 to 10/2010 Or                                     during DBA of Venus-Ketu-Mercury i.e 5/2011 to 7/2011  Dhirendra Nath Misra  ________________________________ Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra Sun, January 10, 2010 1:18:59 AM Re: when i will get married?  Where Parivartan Yoga is not established from sripat bhava spast & Placidus system rather sub lord of  7th cusp is found Mercury which is posited in debiliated & dual sign which indicates some thing different thing.Hence in that case Mercury must be  propitiated for safest course; Second marriage is indicated if the following two conditions are simultaneously satisfied: 1. The sub-lord of the 7th cusp is deposited in a dual sign or in the constellation of a planet in or owning a dual sign or if the sub-lord of the 7th cusp is Mercury; and 2. The sub-lord of the 7th cusp is also a significator of either of the houses 2 or 11. If any of the above two conditions is not satisfied, then second marriage is denied. (It is to be noted that signification of 7th house is omitted for the purpose of 2nd marriage.) Source: http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 608  Reference: 1. http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 25693 2. http://groups. / group/k_p_ system MMRULES.TXT 3. http://groups. / group/k_p_ system KSK%20RULES% 20FOR%20SECOND% 20MARRIAGE. doc - KP Rules for Second Marriage  BIRTH TIME RECTIFICATION- --------- --------- --------- ---- At 22:10PM birth Time[For Lahiri & K.P Ayanamsa] [1]Ascendant    Star lord         sub lord    sub sub lord                                         \      Mercury----- -- Rahu    Moon           Mercury          Jupiter the above shows incorrect birth time   At 22:11PM birth Time[For Lahiri ] & [22:10:30PM for K.P Ayanamsa] correct birth time [1]Ascendant    Star lord         sub lord    sub sub lord                                         \      Mercury----- -- Jupiter    Moon           Mercury          Jupiter    Jupiter is Nak. Lord of 9th & Venus is sub lord of 9th cusp also foundby Mr.M.P.Shanmugham The Moon's star-lord and sub-lord must appear as the sub-lord and sub-sublord of the Ascendant, if the Ascendant is correct. Reference: K.P. & Astrology,Part II. by late Shri M.P. Shanmugham & Edited by Mr.K.Subramaniam. by Mr.M.P.Shanmugham The Sun, Jupiter and Venus, alone, are the three planets mainly responsible for human births... i) Sun is the Athma Karaka-chief sigificator of the soul... ii) Jupiter is Putrakaraka- chief significator for childbirth.. . iii)Venus is Kamakaraka-chief significator for sexual pleasure...                                         \        It has been observed by the late M.P.Shanmugham, that Sun or Jupiter or Venus, are always found as the starlord or sublord of the IXth cusp. Thus emerges the method, that if the IXth sublord is found to be under the said circumstances( sic), the horoscope cast is correct...to the minute... ! I have rectified the birth time by adding 30 seconds and correct birth time for K.P system is found 22:10:30PM. Reference: http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 22262 Marriage may take place during DBA of Venus-Ketu-Moon    i.e 9/2010 to 10/2010 Or                                     during DBA of Venus-Ketu-Mercury i.e 5/2011 to 7/2011 Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ Rajinder <rajindersingh23@ gmail.com> Sat, January 9, 2010 8:24:22 PM when i will get married?  dear all, a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab e) query - when i will get married? There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? please tell me about the nature of my life partner? f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 Loss of job 9 april 2008.. joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Dear Rohini ji, ya, you bull eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon. It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadband into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss. In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections. That is statistics for you.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM Re: when i will get married?  Suresh_jee there were two groups! The " population " and the 'sample' The population was 19K+ The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7. Please read the original message calmly :-) The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'! I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-) PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-) RR_, , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Rohiniji, > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates do the calculations. > > You can try it yourself. > > What you infer from it is upto you. > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% " > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of cases divorced with sun in the 7th " > > I do understood what you tried to convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit. > > But frankly, do you think, these things shall help anyone? >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM > Re: when i will get married? > >  > Suresh jee, > > Your calculation does not seem right. > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > Regards, > > RR_, > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > Nos & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > You have presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > That converted to figures: > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%) = 1364 > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public with statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space technologies should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both are equaly dangerous. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > Re: when i will get married? > > > >  > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > In a relatively large database > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Suresh jee, I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you :-( I hear you! When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up straight! Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity, negative or positive! In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as! Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL! RR_, , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, > > ya, you bull eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon. > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadband into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss. > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections. > > That is statistics for you.  > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM > Re: when i will get married? > >  > Suresh_jee > > there were two groups! > > The " population " and the 'sample' > > The population was 19K+ > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7. > > Please read the original message calmly :-) > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'! > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-) > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-) > > RR_, > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates do the calculations. > > > > You can try it yourself. > > > > What you infer from it is upto you. > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% " > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of cases divorced with sun in the 7th " > > > > I do understood what you tried to convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit. > > > > But frankly, do you think, these things shall help anyone? > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM > > Re: when i will get married? > > > >  > > Suresh jee, > > > > Your calculation does not seem right. > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > > > Regards, > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > Nos & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > > > You have presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > > That converted to figures: > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%) = 1364 > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public with statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space technologies should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both are equaly dangerous. > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > >  > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > > In a relatively large database > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Dear Rohini ji, On the contrary, it did made a lot of sense. After all  my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM Re: when i will get married?  Suresh jee, I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you :-( I hear you! When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up straight! Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity, negative or positive! In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as! Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL! RR_, , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, > > ya, you bull eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon. > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss. > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections. > > That is statistics for you.  > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM > Re: when i will get married? > >  > Suresh_jee > > there were two groups! > > The " population " and the 'sample' > > The population was 19K+ > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7. > > Please read the original message calmly :-) > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'! > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-) > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-) > > RR_, > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates do the calculations. > > > > You can try it yourself. > > > > What you infer from it is upto you. > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% " > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of cases divorced with sun in the 7th " > > > > I do understood what you tried to convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit. > > > > But frankly, do you think, these things shall help anyone? > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM > > Re: when i will get married? > > > >  > > Suresh jee, > > > > Your calculation does not seem right. > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > > > Regards, > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > Nos & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > > > You have presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > > That converted to figures: > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%) = 1364 > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public with statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space technologies should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both are equaly dangerous. > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > >  > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > > In a relatively large database > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 The above chart is saying that At the time Sukra Dasa Budh antara is running which is not good mean some new problums rgarding your attachment which is facing by you but after 11-5-2010 Ketu antara will started then a person who have some attchment with you hardly will entering in your life then you will be marriage. and your job you feel your job is not permanent fix because in tenth house Chandr is present which calling job is changable nor fix but you also satisfied with that as per my reading your job field is related with education and Communication. Remedies keep a parrot in your home and care him. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Rajinder <rajindersingh23 wrote: > > > dear all, > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > e) query - when i will get married? > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) > which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be > very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will > be doing struggle. > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or > family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for > material progress.....is it be so? > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods > grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 > and 23 sept 2009 > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > Thanks in advance > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-) I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise! I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community! Sun in 7 will cause divorce Saturn in 8 will give long life Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE! Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH! But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever! By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too! They are almost making a signature ;-) Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, > > On the contrary, it did made a lot of sense. > > After all  my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias. >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM > Re: when i will get married? > >  > Suresh jee, > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you :-( > > I hear you! > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up straight! > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity, negative or positive! > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as! > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL! > > RR_, > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > ya, you bull eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon. > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss. > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections. > > > > That is statistics for you.  > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM > > Re: when i will get married? > > > >  > > Suresh_jee > > > > there were two groups! > > > > The " population " and the 'sample' > > > > The population was 19K+ > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7. > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-) > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'! > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-) > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates do the calculations. > > > > > > You can try it yourself. > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you. > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% " > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of cases divorced with sun in the 7th " > > > > > > I do understood what you tried to convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit. > > > > > > But frankly, do you think, these things shall help anyone? > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > >  > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right. > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > NosÃÆ'‚ & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > > > > > You haveÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > > > That converted to figures: > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%)ÃÆ'‚ = 1364 > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public withÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space technologiesÃÆ'‚ should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both areÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > > > In a relatively large database > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Dear Rohini ji, I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It is funny that you forgot about it. What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless the criterias are correct. Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions of planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives. As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included. Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/europeans? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the sudden increase? The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology books available on the railway station stands? Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such questions on internet. 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them?  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM Re: when i will get married?  I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-) I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise! I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community! Sun in 7 will cause divorce Saturn in 8 will give long life Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE! Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH! But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever! By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too! They are almost making a signature ;-) Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, > > On the contrary, it did made a lot of sense. > > After all  my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias. >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM > Re: when i will get married? > >  > Suresh jee, > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you :-( > > I hear you! > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up straight! > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity, negative or positive! > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as! > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL! > > RR_, > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > ya, you bull eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon. > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss. > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections. > > > > That is statistics for you.  > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM > > Re: when i will get married? > > > >  > > Suresh_jee > > > > there were two groups! > > > > The " population " and the 'sample' > > > > The population was 19K+ > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7. > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-) > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'! > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-) > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates do the calculations. > > > > > > You can try it yourself. > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you. > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% " > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of cases divorced with sun in the 7th " > > > > > > I do understood what you tried to convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit. > > > > > > But frankly, do you think, these things shall help anyone? > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > >  > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right. > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > NosÃÆ'‚ & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > > > > > You haveÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > > > That converted to figures: > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%)ÃÆ'‚ = 1364 > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public withÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space technologiesÃÆ'‚ should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both areÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > > > In a relatively large database > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Dear Suresh Shenoy jee, I applaud your effort (no noisy punctuation marks in your recent posting which a student of KNR calls Andaas!) and you are right that there are relatively few Indian data in the Astrodienst database! But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect. The eastern vs western differences are really not that all that different, trust me! I have lived very intensively and in a dedicated manner in the East and the West. I know what I am talking about through my personal experience! Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently! Commonsense must always remain handy! Like in that story that I told earlier. Brilliant scientist brought his farmer father to visit his lab and described in great details how he is planning to invent the UNIVERSAL SOLVENT! Father was fidgeting through the mega-presentation and when it finally ended, sheepishly asked, " Beta, where will you store this this 'university' solvent? " <typo intentional!> Regards Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It is funny that you forgot about it. > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless the criterias are correct. > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions of planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives. > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included. > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/europeans? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the sudden increase? > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology books available on the railway station stands? > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such questions on internet. > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them? > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM > Re: when i will get married? > >  > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-) > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise! > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community! > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce > Saturn in 8 will give long life > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE! > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH! > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever! > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too! They are almost making a signature ;-) > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > On the contrary, it did made a lot of sense. > > > > After all  my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias. > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM > > Re: when i will get married? > > > >  > > Suresh jee, > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you :-( > > > > I hear you! > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up straight! > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity, negative or positive! > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as! > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL! > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > ya, you bull eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon. > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss. > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections. > > > > > > That is statistics for you.  > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > >  > > > Suresh_jee > > > > > > there were two groups! > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample' > > > > > > The population was 19K+ > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7. > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-) > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'! > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-) > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates do the calculations. > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself. > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you. > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% " > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of casesÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the 7th " > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried toÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit. > > > > > > > > But frankly, doÃÆ'‚ you think,ÃÆ'‚ these things shall helpÃÆ'‚ anyone? > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right. > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > NosÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > > > > > > > You haveÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > > > > That converted to figures: > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ = 1364 > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public withÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space technologiesÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both areÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous. > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > > > > In a relatively large database > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Dear Rohini ji, //But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect.// That is exactly what I was drive home and other factors as well. //Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently!// I won't use the word ''unintelligently'', rather I should say " Appropriately " No body is that dumb, but may a little distorted. As for the story, what I gave you was not a " failry tale " but real life story of a company who depended on statistics and wrong criterias and ultimately caused damage to the shareholders.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Sun, January 10, 2010 3:54:49 PM Re: when i will get married?  Dear Suresh Shenoy jee, I applaud your effort (no noisy punctuation marks in your recent posting which a student of KNR calls Andaas!) and you are right that there are relatively few Indian data in the Astrodienst database! But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect. The eastern vs western differences are really not that all that different, trust me! I have lived very intensively and in a dedicated manner in the East and the West. I know what I am talking about through my personal experience! Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently! Commonsense must always remain handy! Like in that story that I told earlier. Brilliant scientist brought his farmer father to visit his lab and described in great details how he is planning to invent the UNIVERSAL SOLVENT! Father was fidgeting through the mega-presentation and when it finally ended, sheepishly asked, " Beta, where will you store this this 'university' solvent? " <typo intentional! > Regards Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It is funny that you forgot about it. > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless the criterias are correct. > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions of planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives. > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included. > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the sudden increase? > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology books available on the railway station stands? > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such questions on internet. > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them? > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM > Re: when i will get married? > >  > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-) > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise! > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community! > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce > Saturn in 8 will give long life > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE! > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH! > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever! > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too! They are almost making a signature ;-) > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > On the contrary, it did made a lot of sense. > > > > After all  my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias. > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM > > Re: when i will get married? > > > >  > > Suresh jee, > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you :-( > > > > I hear you! > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up straight! > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity, negative or positive! > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as! > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL! > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > ya, you bull eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon. > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss. > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections. > > > > > > That is statistics for you.  > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > >  > > > Suresh_jee > > > > > > there were two groups! > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample' > > > > > > The population was 19K+ > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7. > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-) > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'! > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-) > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates do the calculations. > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself. > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you. > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% " > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of casesÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the 7th " > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried toÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit. > > > > > > > > But frankly, doÃÆ'‚ you think,ÃÆ'‚ these things shall helpÃÆ'‚ anyone? > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right. > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > NosÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > > > > > > > You haveÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\ šÃ‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > > > > That converted to figures: > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÃÃ\ ¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ = 1364 > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public withÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\ šÃ‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space technologiesÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒÆ’‚ should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both areÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ equaly dangerous. > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\ ‚ > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > > > > In a relatively large database > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 You did, Shenoy jee? Sorry it was lost in the jyotish context ;-) I was feeling pretty sorry that the database you asked me about is not being sold because of the merger etc that is going on! It seems, now, that it would be of little use to Indians, as per your judgment! I feel a lot relieved now! I did not realize that Indians are all that different from the human beings that are around me! Until you informed me! Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, > > //But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect.// > > That is exactly what I was drive home and other factors as well. > > //Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently!// > > I won't use the word ''unintelligently'', rather I should say " Appropriately " > > No body is that dumb, but may a little distorted. > > As for the story, what I gave you was not a " failry tale " but real life story of a company who depended on statistics and wrong criterias and ultimately caused damage to the shareholders. > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:54:49 PM > Re: when i will get married? > >  > Dear Suresh Shenoy jee, > > I applaud your effort (no noisy punctuation marks in your recent posting which a student of KNR calls Andaas!) and you are right that there are relatively few Indian data in the Astrodienst database! > > But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect. > > The eastern vs western differences are really not that all that different, trust me! I have lived very intensively and in a dedicated manner in the East and the West. I know what I am talking about through my personal experience! > > Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently! > > Commonsense must always remain handy! Like in that story that I told earlier. Brilliant scientist brought his farmer father to visit his lab and described in great details how he is planning to invent the UNIVERSAL SOLVENT! Father was fidgeting through the mega-presentation and when it finally ended, sheepishly asked, " Beta, where will you store this this 'university' solvent? " <typo intentional! > > > Regards > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It is funny that you forgot about it. > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless the criterias are correct. > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions of planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives. > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included. > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the sudden increase? > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology books available on the railway station stands? > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such questions on internet. > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them? > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM > > Re: when i will get married? > > > >  > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-) > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise! > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community! > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce > > Saturn in 8 will give long life > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE! > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH! > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever! > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too! They are almost making a signature ;-) > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > On the contrary, it did made a lot of sense. > > > > > > After all  my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias. > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > >  > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you :-( > > > > > > I hear you! > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up straight! > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity, negative or positive! > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as! > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'‚ eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon. > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss. > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections. > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you. ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Suresh_jee > > > > > > > > there were two groups! > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample' > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+ > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7. > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-) > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'! > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-) > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-) > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates do the calculations. > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you. > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% " > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of casesÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the 7th " > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried toÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit. > > > > > > > > > > But frankly, doÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ you think,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ these things shall helpÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ anyone? > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right. > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > > > > > > > > > You haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > > > > > That converted to figures: > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'Ã\ ¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ = 1364 > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\ ƒÆ'‚ should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ equaly dangerous. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > > > > > In a relatively large database > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Is it french open? I have been turning my head left right left for some time now. Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:24:49 Re: when i will get married? Dear Suresh Shenoy jee, I applaud your effort (no noisy punctuation marks in your recent posting which a student of KNR calls Andaas!) and you are right that there are relatively few Indian data in the Astrodienst database! But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect. The eastern vs western differences are really not that all that different, trust me! I have lived very intensively and in a dedicated manner in the East and the West. I know what I am talking about through my personal experience! Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently! Commonsense must always remain handy! Like in that story that I told earlier. Brilliant scientist brought his farmer father to visit his lab and described in great details how he is planning to invent the UNIVERSAL SOLVENT! Father was fidgeting through the mega-presentation and when it finally ended, sheepishly asked, " Beta, where will you store this this 'university' solvent? " <typo intentional!> Regards Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It is funny that you forgot about it. > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless the criterias are correct. > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions of planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives. > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included. > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/europeans? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the sudden increase? > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology books available on the railway station stands? > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such questions on internet. > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them? > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > >________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM > Re: when i will get married? > >  > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-) > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise! > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community! > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce > Saturn in 8 will give long life > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE! > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH! > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever! > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too! They are almost making a signature ;-) > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > On the contrary, it did made a lot of sense. > > > > After all  my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias. > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM > > Re: when i will get married? > > > >  > > Suresh jee, > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you :-( > > > > I hear you! > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up straight! > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity, negative or positive! > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as! > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL! > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > ya, you bull eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon. > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss. > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections. > > > > > > That is statistics for you.  > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > >  > > > Suresh_jee > > > > > > there were two groups! > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample' > > > > > > The population was 19K+ > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7. > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-) > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'! > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-) > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates do the calculations. > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself. > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you. > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% " > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of casesÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the 7th " > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried toÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit. > > > > > > > > But frankly, doÃÆ'‚ you think,ÃÆ'‚ these things shall helpÃÆ'‚ anyone? > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right. > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > NosÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > > > > > > > You haveÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > > > > That converted to figures: > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ = 1364 > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public withÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space technologiesÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both areÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous. > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > > > > In a relatively large database > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Dear Rohini ji,  It is realy a great relief. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: when i will get married? Sunday, January 10, 2010, 4:24 PM  You did, Shenoy jee? Sorry it was lost in the jyotish context ;-) I was feeling pretty sorry that the database you asked me about is not being sold because of the merger etc that is going on! It seems, now, that it would be of little use to Indians, as per your judgment! I feel a lot relieved now! I did not realize that Indians are all that different from the human beings that are around me! Until you informed me! Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, > > //But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect.// > > That is exactly what I was drive home and other factors as well. > > //Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently! // > > I won't use the word ''unintelligently' ', rather I should say " Appropriately " > > No body is that dumb, but may a little distorted. > > As for the story, what I gave you was not a " failry tale " but real life story of a company who depended on statistics and wrong criterias and ultimately caused damage to the shareholders. > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:54:49 PM > Re: when i will get married? > >  > Dear Suresh Shenoy jee, > > I applaud your effort (no noisy punctuation marks in your recent posting which a student of KNR calls Andaas!) and you are right that there are relatively few Indian data in the Astrodienst database! > > But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect. > > The eastern vs western differences are really not that all that different, trust me! I have lived very intensively and in a dedicated manner in the East and the West. I know what I am talking about through my personal experience! > > Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently! > > Commonsense must always remain handy! Like in that story that I told earlier. Brilliant scientist brought his farmer father to visit his lab and described in great details how he is planning to invent the UNIVERSAL SOLVENT! Father was fidgeting through the mega-presentation and when it finally ended, sheepishly asked, " Beta, where will you store this this 'university' solvent? " <typo intentional! > > > Regards > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It is funny that you forgot about it. > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless the criterias are correct. > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions of planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives. > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included. > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the sudden increase? > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology books available on the railway station stands? > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such questions on internet. > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them? > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM > > Re: when i will get married? > > > >  > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-) > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise! > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community! > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce > > Saturn in 8 will give long life > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE! > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH! > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever! > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too! They are almost making a signature ;-) > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > On the contrary, it did made a lot of sense. > > > > > > After all  my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias. > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > >  > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you :-( > > > > > > I hear you! > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up straight! > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity, negative or positive! > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as! > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'‚ eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon. > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss. > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections. > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you. ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Suresh_jee > > > > > > > > there were two groups! > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample' > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+ > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7. > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-) > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'! > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-) > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-) > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates do the calculations. > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you. > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% " > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of casesÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ divorced with sun in the 7th " > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried toÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Â\  convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit. > > > > > > > > > > But frankly, doÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Â\  you think,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ these things shall helpÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\ šÃ‚ anyone? > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\ ‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\ ‚ > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right. > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\ …¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Ã\ …¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > > > > > > > > > You haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÆ\ ’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > > > > > That converted to figures: > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚ÂÂÂ\ ¬ÃƒÆ’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'âââ\ €šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ = 1364 > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÆ\ ’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Ãâ€\ šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ÃÂ\ ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\ …¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Ã\ …¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ equaly dangerous. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\  > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > > > > > In a relatively large database > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 so should I pinch my nose at this point, jee? ;-) , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, >  > It is realy a great relief. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: when i will get married? > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 4:24 PM > > >  > > > > You did, Shenoy jee? Sorry it was lost in the jyotish context ;-) > > I was feeling pretty sorry that the database you asked me about is not being sold because of the merger etc that is going on! It seems, now, that it would be of little use to Indians, as per your judgment! > > I feel a lot relieved now! I did not realize that Indians are all that different from the human beings that are around me! Until you informed me! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > //But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect.// > > > > That is exactly what I was drive home and other factors as well. > > > > //Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently! // > > > > I won't use the word ''unintelligently' ', rather I should say " Appropriately " > > > > No body is that dumb, but may a little distorted. > > > > As for the story, what I gave you was not a " failry tale " but real life story of a company who depended on statistics and wrong criterias and ultimately caused damage to the shareholders. > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:54:49 PM > > Re: when i will get married? > > > >  > > Dear Suresh Shenoy jee, > > > > I applaud your effort (no noisy punctuation marks in your recent posting which a student of KNR calls Andaas!) and you are right that there are relatively few Indian data in the Astrodienst database! > > > > But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect. > > > > The eastern vs western differences are really not that all that different, trust me! I have lived very intensively and in a dedicated manner in the East and the West. I know what I am talking about through my personal experience! > > > > Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently! > > > > Commonsense must always remain handy! Like in that story that I told earlier. Brilliant scientist brought his farmer father to visit his lab and described in great details how he is planning to invent the UNIVERSAL SOLVENT! Father was fidgeting through the mega-presentation and when it finally ended, sheepishly asked, " Beta, where will you store this this 'university' solvent? " <typo intentional! > > > > > Regards > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It is funny that you forgot about it. > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless the criterias are correct. > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions of planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives. > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included. > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the sudden increase? > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology books available on the railway station stands? > > > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such questions on internet. > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them? > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > >  > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-) > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise! > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community! > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE! > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH! > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever! > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too! They are almost making a signature ;-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did madeÃÆ'‚ a lot of sense. > > > > > > > > After allÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you :-( > > > > > > > > I hear you! > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up straight! > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity, negative or positive! > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as! > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon. > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss. > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections. > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you. ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Suresh_jee > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups! > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample' > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+ > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7. > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-) > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'! > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-) > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates do the calculations. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% " > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ divorced with sun in the 7th " > > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\  convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit. > > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly, doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\  you think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ these things shall helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ anyone? > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM > > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right. > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\ …¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\ …¡ÃÆ'‚ & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\ '…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\ Å¡ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > > > > > > That converted to figures: > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂÂÂ\ ¬ÃƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'âââ\ €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ = 1364 > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\ '…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\ Å¡ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÃâ€\ šÃ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ÃÂ\ ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\ …¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\ …¡ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous. > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > > > > > > In a relatively large database > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Dear Rohini ji  What you pinch depends on your itch A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: when i will get married? Sunday, January 10, 2010, 4:31 PM  so should I pinch my nose at this point, jee? ;-) , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, >  > It is realy a great relief. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: when i will get married? > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 4:24 PM > > >  > > > > You did, Shenoy jee? Sorry it was lost in the jyotish context ;-) > > I was feeling pretty sorry that the database you asked me about is not being sold because of the merger etc that is going on! It seems, now, that it would be of little use to Indians, as per your judgment! > > I feel a lot relieved now! I did not realize that Indians are all that different from the human beings that are around me! Until you informed me! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > //But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect.// > > > > That is exactly what I was drive home and other factors as well. > > > > //Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently! // > > > > I won't use the word ''unintelligently' ', rather I should say " Appropriately " > > > > No body is that dumb, but may a little distorted. > > > > As for the story, what I gave you was not a " failry tale " but real life story of a company who depended on statistics and wrong criterias and ultimately caused damage to the shareholders. > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:54:49 PM > > Re: when i will get married? > > > >  > > Dear Suresh Shenoy jee, > > > > I applaud your effort (no noisy punctuation marks in your recent posting which a student of KNR calls Andaas!) and you are right that there are relatively few Indian data in the Astrodienst database! > > > > But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect. > > > > The eastern vs western differences are really not that all that different, trust me! I have lived very intensively and in a dedicated manner in the East and the West. I know what I am talking about through my personal experience! > > > > Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently! > > > > Commonsense must always remain handy! Like in that story that I told earlier. Brilliant scientist brought his farmer father to visit his lab and described in great details how he is planning to invent the UNIVERSAL SOLVENT! Father was fidgeting through the mega-presentation and when it finally ended, sheepishly asked, " Beta, where will you store this this 'university' solvent? " <typo intentional! > > > > > Regards > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It is funny that you forgot about it. > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless the criterias are correct. > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions of planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives. > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included. > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the sudden increase? > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology books available on the railway station stands? > > > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such questions on internet. > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them? > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > >  > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-) > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise! > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community! > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE! > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH! > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever! > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too! They are almost making a signature ;-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did madeÃÆ'‚ a lot of sense. > > > > > > > > After allÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\ ‚ my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you :-( > > > > > > > > I hear you! > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up straight! > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity, negative or positive! > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as! > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\ šÃ‚ eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon. > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss. > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections. > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you. ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\ ‚ > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\ ‚ > > > > > Suresh_jee > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups! > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample' > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+ > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7. > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-) > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'! > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-) > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates do the calculations. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% " > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\ ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ divorced with sun in the 7th " > > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÃ\ ¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit. > > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly, doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÃ\ ¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ you think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\ ƒÆ’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ these things shall helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÆ\ ’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ anyone? > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM > > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\  > > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right. > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂ\ ¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\ ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÃ\ ‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Ã\ ‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÃâ€\ šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\ …¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢Ã\ ¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > > > > > > That converted to figures: > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Â\ ¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\ ’Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢\ €šÃÆ'Æ'ââââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ = 1364 > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÃâ€\ šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\ …¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢Ã\ ¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Ãââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂÂÂÂ\ ¬ÃƒÆ’Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'Â\ ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'âÃÂ\ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂ\ ¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\ ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÃ\ ‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Ã\ ‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous. > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂÂÂ\ ¢ÃƒÆ’Æ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â\ €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â\ ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\ Å¡ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > > > > > > In a relatively large database > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Ouxh! You pinched me, Shenoy jee! In public ;-) , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji >  > What you pinch depends on your itch > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: when i will get married? > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 4:31 PM > > >  > > > > so should I pinch my nose at this point, jee? ;-) > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > >  > > It is realy a great relief. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 4:24 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > You did, Shenoy jee? Sorry it was lost in the jyotish context ;-) > > > > I was feeling pretty sorry that the database you asked me about is not being sold because of the merger etc that is going on! It seems, now, that it would be of little use to Indians, as per your judgment! > > > > I feel a lot relieved now! I did not realize that Indians are all that different from the human beings that are around me! Until you informed me! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > //But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect.// > > > > > > That is exactly what I was drive home and other factors as well. > > > > > > //Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently! // > > > > > > I won't use the word ''unintelligently' ', rather I should say " Appropriately " > > > > > > No body is that dumb, but may a little distorted. > > > > > > As for the story, what I gave you was not a " failry tale " but real life story of a company who depended on statistics and wrong criterias and ultimately caused damage to the shareholders. > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:54:49 PM > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > >  > > > Dear Suresh Shenoy jee, > > > > > > I applaud your effort (no noisy punctuation marks in your recent posting which a student of KNR calls Andaas!) and you are right that there are relatively few Indian data in the Astrodienst database! > > > > > > But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect. > > > > > > The eastern vs western differences are really not that all that different, trust me! I have lived very intensively and in a dedicated manner in the East and the West. I know what I am talking about through my personal experience! > > > > > > Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently! > > > > > > Commonsense must always remain handy! Like in that story that I told earlier. Brilliant scientist brought his farmer father to visit his lab and described in great details how he is planning to invent the UNIVERSAL SOLVENT! Father was fidgeting through the mega-presentation and when it finally ended, sheepishly asked, " Beta, where will you store this this 'university' solvent? " <typo intentional! > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those noisy characters, youÃÆ'‚ advised to let it go and live with them. It is funny that you forgot about it. > > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless the criterias are correct. > > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions ofÃÆ'‚ planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives. > > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included. > > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the sudden increase? > > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the willingness of people to faceÃÆ'‚ their onsloughts and hold on to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology books available on the railway station stands? > > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on theÃÆ'‚ kind of people who pose such questions on internet. > > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are truely inclined towards it, but out their onÃÆ'‚ own fear about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-) > > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise! > > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community! > > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters > > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE! > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH! > > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever! > > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too! They are almost making a signature ;-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did madeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a lot of sense. > > > > > > > > > > After allÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you :-( > > > > > > > > > > I hear you! > > > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up straight! > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity, negative or positive! > > > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as! > > > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL! > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you. ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM > > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > Suresh_jee > > > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups! > > > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample' > > > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+ > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'! > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates do the calculations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% " > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the 7th " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\ ¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Å\ ¡ÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly, doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\ ¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Å\ ¡ÃÆ'‚ you think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ ƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ these things shall helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\ '…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\ Å¡ÃÆ'‚ anyone? > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right. > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Â\ ¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\ ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'Ã\ ‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Ã\ ‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\ šÃ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'\ …ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'\ ¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚\ ¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > > > > > > > That converted to figures: > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚\ ¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ\ 'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢\ ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ = 1364 > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\ šÃ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'\ …ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'\ ¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚\ ¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space > technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ\ ¬ÃƒÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Â\ ¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÂ\ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Â\ ¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\ ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'Ã\ ‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Ã\ ‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous. > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ\ ¢ÃƒÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'â\ €¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢\ ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬\ Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Dear Rohini ji,  Hey that is foul play. //should I pinch my nose//  > What you pinch depends on your itch //In public//  Hope no one took notice A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: when i will get married? Sunday, January 10, 2010, 4:44 PM  Ouxh! You pinched me, Shenoy jee! In public ;-) , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji >  > What you pinch depends on your itch > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: when i will get married? > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 4:31 PM > > >  > > > > so should I pinch my nose at this point, jee? ;-) > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > >  > > It is realy a great relief. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 4:24 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > You did, Shenoy jee? Sorry it was lost in the jyotish context ;-) > > > > I was feeling pretty sorry that the database you asked me about is not being sold because of the merger etc that is going on! It seems, now, that it would be of little use to Indians, as per your judgment! > > > > I feel a lot relieved now! I did not realize that Indians are all that different from the human beings that are around me! Until you informed me! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > //But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect.// > > > > > > That is exactly what I was drive home and other factors as well. > > > > > > //Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently! // > > > > > > I won't use the word ''unintelligently' ', rather I should say " Appropriately " > > > > > > No body is that dumb, but may a little distorted. > > > > > > As for the story, what I gave you was not a " failry tale " but real life story of a company who depended on statistics and wrong criterias and ultimately caused damage to the shareholders. > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:54:49 PM > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > >  > > > Dear Suresh Shenoy jee, > > > > > > I applaud your effort (no noisy punctuation marks in your recent posting which a student of KNR calls Andaas!) and you are right that there are relatively few Indian data in the Astrodienst database! > > > > > > But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect. > > > > > > The eastern vs western differences are really not that all that different, trust me! I have lived very intensively and in a dedicated manner in the East and the West. I know what I am talking about through my personal experience! > > > > > > Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently! > > > > > > Commonsense must always remain handy! Like in that story that I told earlier. Brilliant scientist brought his farmer father to visit his lab and described in great details how he is planning to invent the UNIVERSAL SOLVENT! Father was fidgeting through the mega-presentation and when it finally ended, sheepishly asked, " Beta, where will you store this this 'university' solvent? " <typo intentional! > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those noisy characters, youÃÆ'‚ advised to let it go and live with them. It is funny that you forgot about it. > > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless the criterias are correct. > > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions ofÃÆ'‚ planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives. > > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included. > > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the sudden increase? > > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the willingness of people to faceÃÆ'‚ their onsloughts and hold on to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology books available on the railway station stands? > > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on theÃÆ'‚ kind of people who pose such questions on internet. > > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are truely inclined towards it, but out their onÃÆ'‚ own fear about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-) > > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise! > > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community! > > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters > > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE! > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH! > > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever! > > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too! They are almost making a signature ;-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did madeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\ šÃ‚ a lot of sense. > > > > > > > > > > After allÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÃÆ\ ’‚ my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÃÆ\ ’‚ > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\ ‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\ ‚ > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you :-( > > > > > > > > > > I hear you! > > > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up straight! > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity, negative or positive! > > > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as! > > > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL! > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÆ\ ’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you. ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\  > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM > > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\  > > > > > > Suresh_jee > > > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups! > > > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample' > > > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+ > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'! > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates do the calculations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% " > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÃâ\ €šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\ '…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÆ\ ’¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'âââ€Å\ ¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the 7th " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂÃ\ ‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\ ¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÂ\ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly, doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂÃ\ ‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\ ¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÂ\ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ you think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÃ\ ‚¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÃ\ †'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢Ã\ ƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'âââ€\ šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ these things shall helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÃâ€\ šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\ …¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢Ã\ ¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ anyone? > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂÂÂ\ ¢ÃƒÆ’Æ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â\ €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â\ ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\ Å¡ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂÂÂ\ ¢ÃƒÆ’Æ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â\ €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â\ ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\ Å¡ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right. > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ââââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ\ ¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚Ãâ€\ šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'\ …ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ\ 'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÃ\ †'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã‚¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÃ\ ‚¡ÃƒÆ'‚ & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ââââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÃâ€\ šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚Ãâ\ €šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ\ '…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÃ\ †'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢Ã\ Æ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââÃ\ ¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Å\ ¡ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > > > > > > > That converted to figures: > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'âÃÂ\ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Â\ ¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ€ÅÂ\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Ã\ ƒâ€ '…ÃÆ'‚¡Ã\ ƒÆ’Æ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢\ ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'âÃ\ ¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âÃ\ ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\ ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ'‚ = 1364 > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ââââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÃâ€\ šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚Ãâ\ €šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ\ '…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÃ\ †'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢Ã\ Æ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââÃ\ ¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Å\ ¡ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space > technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÃÂÂ\ ¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Ãââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢âââ‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚¬Ã\ Æ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÃ\ ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂ\ ¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\ ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÃ\ ‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Ã\ ‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ââââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ\ ¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚Ãâ€\ šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'\ …ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ\ 'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÃ\ †'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã‚¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÃ\ ‚¡ÃƒÆ'‚ equaly dangerous. > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\ ¬Â 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂÂ\ ¢ÃƒÆ’Æ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚ÂÂ\ ¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'ÃÆ\ ’¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Ã\ †'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'Ã\ ƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'â€Â\ ¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 When something foul is around, we pinch our nose, Shenoy_ji! When there is an itch, we 'scratch' but never pinch! At least where I come from ;-P Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, >  > Hey that is foul play. > > //should I pinch my nose// >  > > What you pinch depends on your itch > > //In public// >  > Hope no one took notice > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: when i will get married? > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 4:44 PM > > >  > > > > Ouxh! You pinched me, Shenoy jee! In public ;-) > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji > >  > > What you pinch depends on your itch > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 4:31 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > so should I pinch my nose at this point, jee? ;-) > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > >  > > > It is realy a great relief. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 4:24 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > You did, Shenoy jee? Sorry it was lost in the jyotish context ;-) > > > > > > I was feeling pretty sorry that the database you asked me about is not being sold because of the merger etc that is going on! It seems, now, that it would be of little use to Indians, as per your judgment! > > > > > > I feel a lot relieved now! I did not realize that Indians are all that different from the human beings that are around me! Until you informed me! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > //But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect.// > > > > > > > > That is exactly what I was drive home and other factors asÃÆ'‚ well. > > > > > > > > //Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently! // > > > > > > > > I won't use the word ''unintelligently' ', rather I should say " Appropriately " > > > > > > > > No body is that dumb, but may a little distorted. > > > > > > > > As for the story, what I gave you was not a " failry tale " but real life story of a company who depended on statistics and wrong criterias and ultimately caused damage to the shareholders. > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:54:49 PM > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Dear Suresh Shenoy jee, > > > > > > > > I applaud your effort (no noisy punctuation marks in your recent posting which a student of KNR calls Andaas!) and you are right that there are relatively few Indian data in the Astrodienst database! > > > > > > > > But that is where desh kaal paatra considerations come into effect. > > > > > > > > The eastern vs western differences are really not that all that different, trust me! I have lived very intensively and in a dedicated manner in the East and the West. I know what I am talking about through my personal experience! > > > > > > > > Numbers only decive when you use them unintelligently! > > > > > > > > Commonsense must always remain handy! Like in that story that I told earlier. Brilliant scientist brought his farmer father to visit his lab and described in great details how he is planning to invent the UNIVERSAL SOLVENT! Father was fidgeting through the mega-presentation and when it finally ended, sheepishly asked, " Beta, where will you store this this 'university' solvent? " <typo intentional! > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those noisy characters, youÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ advised to let it go and live with them. It is funny that you forgot about it. > > > > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless the criterias are correct. > > > > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions ofÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives. > > > > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included. > > > > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the sudden increase? > > > > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the willingness of people to faceÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ their onsloughts and hold on to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology books available on the railway station stands? > > > > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on theÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kind of people who pose such questions on internet. > > > > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are truely inclined towards it, but out their onÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ own fear about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-) > > > > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise! > > > > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community! > > > > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters > > > > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE! > > > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH! > > > > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever! > > > > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too! They are almost making a signature ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did madeÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ a lot of sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > After allÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ\ '‚ my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ\ '‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM > > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear you! > > > > > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up straight! > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity, negative or positive! > > > > > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as! > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\ '…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\ Å¡ÃÆ'‚ eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you. ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > Suresh_jee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+ > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates do the calculations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% " > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Ãâ\ €šÃ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ\ '…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ\ '¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ€Å\ ¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the 7th " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\ ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\ ¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'Â\ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly, doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\ ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\ ¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'Â\ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ you think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Ã\ †'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢Ã\ Æ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ€\ šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ these things shall > helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\ šÃ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'\ …ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'\ ¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚\ ¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ anyone? > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ\ ¢ÃƒÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'â\ €¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢\ ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬\ Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ\ ¢ÃƒÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'â\ €¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢\ ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬\ Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right. > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Â\ ¢ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÃâ€\ šÃ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'\ ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ\ 'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Ã\ †'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã‚¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÃ\ ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\ šÃ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÃâ\ €šÃ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Æ\ 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Ã\ †'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'\ Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\ ¬Â¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢âÃ\ ¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å\ ¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500 cases. > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures: > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house (6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÂ\ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\ ¢ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€ÅÂ\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\ ƒâ€ 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¡Ã\ ƒÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢\ ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'âÃ\ ¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢Ã\ ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\ ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ = 1364 > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615 > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of the public withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\ šÃ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÃâ\ €šÃ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Æ\ 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Ã\ †'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'\ Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\ ¬Â¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢âÃ\ ¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å\ ¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who > have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space > > technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'ÂÂ\ ¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'\ Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\ ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Â\ ¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\ ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'Ã\ ‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Ã\ ‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both > areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Â\ ¢ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÃâ€\ šÃ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'\ ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ\ 'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Ã\ †'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã‚¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÃ\ ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous. > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚\ ¬Â 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ\ ¢ÃƒÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂÂ\ ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ\ '¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\ †'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\ ƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â\ ¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡\ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue: > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7 > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage category > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the road... " ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980 > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format) > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married? > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will be doing struggle. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so? > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very accurate.. > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009 > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008.. > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008 > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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