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[Guest guest]

We live in rather confused age and times. Things are moving fast,

even in the perceptions of the tail-end baby boomers ('50's) and the

subsequent generation of flower-children and what not and the next

wave of beings and on and on.

 

Since late 80s and thereafter the world has been enveloped by the new

reality of New Age, the modern forgiving religion. Everything is

fine, there is no sin, there are no responsibilities, there are no

barriers, there are no heights, there are no depths, no rises or any

falls! Well? That sounds to me like there is no movement! And yet it

has been called the New Age Movement by the predominantly western

followers and the strategically available Teachers from the East (and

west as well). However, if nothing is moving anywhere or going

anywhere, to me that sounds suspiciously like status quo!

 

Now, please do not get me all wrong and get fumin' mad at me (smoking

is bad, anyway! Any kind of smoking!!) but humor this crumbling

ancient artifact! I think I see more and more, some attractive

keywords, buzzwords and slogans being tossed around rather carelessly

and at times garrishly (sp?).

 

SELF-REALIZATION is one such word which had such profound meaning a

couple of decades ago but lately has been challenged by overusage. An

analogy from earlier college life comes to mind which I will share. I

had a friend in college (late 60s). He was a wonderful fellow

generally but and despite his super-bright mind he had a flaw! He was

not an accomplished singer or had a very sonorous voice (rather loud

and high pitched if you ask me! Or the other half a dozen of us who

regularly poked fun at him!). Well he had another BAD habit. He would

pick the sweetest song and insert words into it and make it " non-

vegetarian " if you know what I mean! And he would repeat that loudly

and again and again until the GOOD song was completely destroyed for

you! Whenever you heard that song on the radio or in your head,

his 'lyrics' would invade and destroy the pleasure for you!

 

He had virgo rising with mercury in deep exaltation and venus also

placed there! Sun was in 12th and he had a scar on his cheek from an

infection during childhood!

 

What has that got to do with the term self-realization or some such

wonderful and soul-uplifting labels and word-icons?

 

YOU GO FIGURE, FORUM FRIENDS!!

 

RR

[Guest guest]

Notwithstanding, the new age perceptions,and I will

stand on it, things are really moving so fast that its

all a blur of events, the knowledge explosion has

changed all norms and systems.

In India, what the venerable British could not

accomplish in two centuries; the Cable TV and the

internet is achieving in two decades. An entry in the

deep Indian hinterland. Similar is the situation

elsewhere. The new agers themselves are getting

changed with strong influence of Eastern thought

processes.

The smoke, could be therefore,just an effect and not a

cause.

The need for brevity is paramount.

The urgency to sum up decades of efforts in a

sentence. Fast!

Commas and exclamation marks are missing and no full

stops please.........

 

rishi

 

Why cannot both mercury and venus be exalted or be in

debility together....why?

 

--- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

> We live in rather confused age and times. Things are

> moving fast,

> even in the perceptions of the tail-end baby boomers

> ('50's) and the

> subsequent generation of flower-children and what

> not and the next

> wave of beings and on and on.

>

> Since late 80s and thereafter the world has been

> enveloped by the new

> reality of New Age, the modern forgiving religion.

> Everything is

> fine, there is no sin, there are no

> responsibilities, there are no

> barriers, there are no heights, there are no depths,

> no rises or any

> falls! Well? That sounds to me like there is no

> movement! And yet it

> has been called the New Age Movement by the

> predominantly western

> followers and the strategically available Teachers

> from the East (and

> west as well). However, if nothing is moving

> anywhere or going

> anywhere, to me that sounds suspiciously like status

> quo!

>

> Now, please do not get me all wrong and get fumin'

> mad at me (smoking

> is bad, anyway! Any kind of smoking!!) but humor

> this crumbling

> ancient artifact! I think I see more and more, some

> attractive

> keywords, buzzwords and slogans being tossed around

> rather carelessly

> and at times garrishly (sp?).

>

> SELF-REALIZATION is one such word which had such

> profound meaning a

> couple of decades ago but lately has been challenged

> by overusage. An

> analogy from earlier college life comes to mind

> which I will share. I

> had a friend in college (late 60s). He was a

> wonderful fellow

> generally but and despite his super-bright mind he

> had a flaw! He was

> not an accomplished singer or had a very sonorous

> voice (rather loud

> and high pitched if you ask me! Or the other half a

> dozen of us who

> regularly poked fun at him!). Well he had another

> BAD habit. He would

> pick the sweetest song and insert words into it and

> make it " non-

> vegetarian " if you know what I mean! And he would

> repeat that loudly

> and again and again until the GOOD song was

> completely destroyed for

> you! Whenever you heard that song on the radio or in

> your head,

> his 'lyrics' would invade and destroy the pleasure

> for you!

>

> He had virgo rising with mercury in deep exaltation

> and venus also

> placed there! Sun was in 12th and he had a scar on

> his cheek from an

> infection during childhood!

>

> What has that got to do with the term

> self-realization or some such

> wonderful and soul-uplifting labels and word-icons?

>

> YOU GO FIGURE, FORUM FRIENDS!!

>

> RR

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

So beautiful to hear the calm voice of reason in the midst of the

rock concert that was going on (and some were more like boulders!!).

 

As my friend Charles often impressed upon all of us on the New Age

Forum (you should have seen the movement there! And its smaller

replica that is blossoming right now as we speak!) -- if one cannot

express something in Haiku (17 syllables is the boundary, I am

afraid!) then it probably should have remained unborn! A bit harsh

perhaps but there is wisdom there, as the concentrated pearl that

lives wonderfully in the womb, growing, but at one point must create

such upheaval that it would have to be given birth! No other option

exists or is available!

 

As to your question about venus and mercury -- I have no clue and am

speechless ...

 

|||||||||||||||||||||||

The sixth given to hold enemies, restrictions, challenges

REASON thrives and flourishes in such climes

LOVE feels shrivelled in the same!

|||||||||||||||||||||||

 

 

Not quite the Haiku I could have proudly shown to Charles, but

hopefully captures the essence and a vast improvement over my usual

verbosity, I hope?

 

 

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Notwithstanding, the new age perceptions,and I will

> stand on it, things are really moving so fast that its

> all a blur of events, the knowledge explosion has

> changed all norms and systems.

> In India, what the venerable British could not

> accomplish in two centuries; the Cable TV and the

> internet is achieving in two decades. An entry in the

> deep Indian hinterland. Similar is the situation

> elsewhere. The new agers themselves are getting

> changed with strong influence of Eastern thought

> processes.

> The smoke, could be therefore,just an effect and not a

> cause.

> The need for brevity is paramount.

> The urgency to sum up decades of efforts in a

> sentence. Fast!

> Commas and exclamation marks are missing and no full

> stops please.........

>

> rishi

>

> Why cannot both mercury and venus be exalted or be in

> debility together....why?

>

> --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> > We live in rather confused age and times. Things are

> > moving fast,

> > even in the perceptions of the tail-end baby boomers

> > ('50's) and the

> > subsequent generation of flower-children and what

> > not and the next

> > wave of beings and on and on.

> >

> > Since late 80s and thereafter the world has been

> > enveloped by the new

> > reality of New Age, the modern forgiving religion.

> > Everything is

> > fine, there is no sin, there are no

> > responsibilities, there are no

> > barriers, there are no heights, there are no depths,

> > no rises or any

> > falls! Well? That sounds to me like there is no

> > movement! And yet it

> > has been called the New Age Movement by the

> > predominantly western

> > followers and the strategically available Teachers

> > from the East (and

> > west as well). However, if nothing is moving

> > anywhere or going

> > anywhere, to me that sounds suspiciously like status

> > quo!

> >

> > Now, please do not get me all wrong and get fumin'

> > mad at me (smoking

> > is bad, anyway! Any kind of smoking!!) but humor

> > this crumbling

> > ancient artifact! I think I see more and more, some

> > attractive

> > keywords, buzzwords and slogans being tossed around

> > rather carelessly

> > and at times garrishly (sp?).

> >

> > SELF-REALIZATION is one such word which had such

> > profound meaning a

> > couple of decades ago but lately has been challenged

> > by overusage. An

> > analogy from earlier college life comes to mind

> > which I will share. I

> > had a friend in college (late 60s). He was a

> > wonderful fellow

> > generally but and despite his super-bright mind he

> > had a flaw! He was

> > not an accomplished singer or had a very sonorous

> > voice (rather loud

> > and high pitched if you ask me! Or the other half a

> > dozen of us who

> > regularly poked fun at him!). Well he had another

> > BAD habit. He would

> > pick the sweetest song and insert words into it and

> > make it " non-

> > vegetarian " if you know what I mean! And he would

> > repeat that loudly

> > and again and again until the GOOD song was

> > completely destroyed for

> > you! Whenever you heard that song on the radio or in

> > your head,

> > his 'lyrics' would invade and destroy the pleasure

> > for you!

> >

> > He had virgo rising with mercury in deep exaltation

> > and venus also

> > placed there! Sun was in 12th and he had a scar on

> > his cheek from an

> > infection during childhood!

> >

> > What has that got to do with the term

> > self-realization or some such

> > wonderful and soul-uplifting labels and word-icons?

> >

> > YOU GO FIGURE, FORUM FRIENDS!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rishi,

 

|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

- The Ocean, unpredictable and invigourating as only LOVE can be

- Flummoxes REASON trying to methodically churn order out of CHAOS

|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

 

Now I feel better (as do tortured forum friends!)

Few words fewer still but the axis is complete ...

We make progress

 

<down to one exclamation mark>

 

 

... , " Rohiniranjan "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> So beautiful to hear the calm voice of reason in the midst of the

> rock concert that was going on (and some were more like boulders!!).

>

> As my friend Charles often impressed upon all of us on the New Age

> Forum (you should have seen the movement there! And its smaller

> replica that is blossoming right now as we speak!) -- if one cannot

> express something in Haiku (17 syllables is the boundary, I am

> afraid!) then it probably should have remained unborn! A bit harsh

> perhaps but there is wisdom there, as the concentrated pearl that

> lives wonderfully in the womb, growing, but at one point must

create

> such upheaval that it would have to be given birth! No other option

> exists or is available!

>

> As to your question about venus and mercury -- I have no clue and

am

> speechless ...

>

> |||||||||||||||||||||||

> The sixth given to hold enemies, restrictions, challenges

> REASON thrives and flourishes in such climes

> LOVE feels shrivelled in the same!

> |||||||||||||||||||||||

>

>

> Not quite the Haiku I could have proudly shown to Charles, but

> hopefully captures the essence and a vast improvement over my usual

> verbosity, I hope?

>

>

> , rishi shukla

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > Notwithstanding, the new age perceptions,and I will

> > stand on it, things are really moving so fast that its

> > all a blur of events, the knowledge explosion has

> > changed all norms and systems.

> > In India, what the venerable British could not

> > accomplish in two centuries; the Cable TV and the

> > internet is achieving in two decades. An entry in the

> > deep Indian hinterland. Similar is the situation

> > elsewhere. The new agers themselves are getting

> > changed with strong influence of Eastern thought

> > processes.

> > The smoke, could be therefore,just an effect and not a

> > cause.

> > The need for brevity is paramount.

> > The urgency to sum up decades of efforts in a

> > sentence. Fast!

> > Commas and exclamation marks are missing and no full

> > stops please.........

> >

> > rishi

> >

> > Why cannot both mercury and venus be exalted or be in

> > debility together....why?

> >

> > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > > We live in rather confused age and times. Things are

> > > moving fast,

> > > even in the perceptions of the tail-end baby boomers

> > > ('50's) and the

> > > subsequent generation of flower-children and what

> > > not and the next

> > > wave of beings and on and on.

> > >

> > > Since late 80s and thereafter the world has been

> > > enveloped by the new

> > > reality of New Age, the modern forgiving religion.

> > > Everything is

> > > fine, there is no sin, there are no

> > > responsibilities, there are no

> > > barriers, there are no heights, there are no depths,

> > > no rises or any

> > > falls! Well? That sounds to me like there is no

> > > movement! And yet it

> > > has been called the New Age Movement by the

> > > predominantly western

> > > followers and the strategically available Teachers

> > > from the East (and

> > > west as well). However, if nothing is moving

> > > anywhere or going

> > > anywhere, to me that sounds suspiciously like status

> > > quo!

> > >

> > > Now, please do not get me all wrong and get fumin'

> > > mad at me (smoking

> > > is bad, anyway! Any kind of smoking!!) but humor

> > > this crumbling

> > > ancient artifact! I think I see more and more, some

> > > attractive

> > > keywords, buzzwords and slogans being tossed around

> > > rather carelessly

> > > and at times garrishly (sp?).

> > >

> > > SELF-REALIZATION is one such word which had such

> > > profound meaning a

> > > couple of decades ago but lately has been challenged

> > > by overusage. An

> > > analogy from earlier college life comes to mind

> > > which I will share. I

> > > had a friend in college (late 60s). He was a

> > > wonderful fellow

> > > generally but and despite his super-bright mind he

> > > had a flaw! He was

> > > not an accomplished singer or had a very sonorous

> > > voice (rather loud

> > > and high pitched if you ask me! Or the other half a

> > > dozen of us who

> > > regularly poked fun at him!). Well he had another

> > > BAD habit. He would

> > > pick the sweetest song and insert words into it and

> > > make it " non-

> > > vegetarian " if you know what I mean! And he would

> > > repeat that loudly

> > > and again and again until the GOOD song was

> > > completely destroyed for

> > > you! Whenever you heard that song on the radio or in

> > > your head,

> > > his 'lyrics' would invade and destroy the pleasure

> > > for you!

> > >

> > > He had virgo rising with mercury in deep exaltation

> > > and venus also

> > > placed there! Sun was in 12th and he had a scar on

> > > his cheek from an

> > > infection during childhood!

> > >

> > > What has that got to do with the term

> > > self-realization or some such

> > > wonderful and soul-uplifting labels and word-icons?

> > >

> > > YOU GO FIGURE, FORUM FRIENDS!!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Love and reason should not be always opposing.

And then Ve and Me are friends, on the same side ...

am afraid no good at haiku!

rishi

--- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

> Dear Rishi,

>

> |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

> - The Ocean, unpredictable and invigourating as only

> LOVE can be

> - Flummoxes REASON trying to methodically churn

> order out of CHAOS

> |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

>

> Now I feel better (as do tortured forum friends!)

> Few words fewer still but the axis is complete ...

> We make progress

>

> <down to one exclamation mark>

>

>

> ... ,

> " Rohiniranjan "

> <jyotish_vani wrote:

> >

> > So beautiful to hear the calm voice of reason in

> the midst of the

> > rock concert that was going on (and some were more

> like boulders!!).

> >

> > As my friend Charles often impressed upon all of

> us on the New Age

> > Forum (you should have seen the movement there!

> And its smaller

> > replica that is blossoming right now as we speak!)

> -- if one cannot

> > express something in Haiku (17 syllables is the

> boundary, I am

> > afraid!) then it probably should have remained

> unborn! A bit harsh

> > perhaps but there is wisdom there, as the

> concentrated pearl that

> > lives wonderfully in the womb, growing, but at one

> point must

> create

> > such upheaval that it would have to be given

> birth! No other option

> > exists or is available!

> >

> > As to your question about venus and mercury -- I

> have no clue and

> am

> > speechless ...

> >

> > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > The sixth given to hold enemies, restrictions,

> challenges

> > REASON thrives and flourishes in such climes

> > LOVE feels shrivelled in the same!

> > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> >

> >

> > Not quite the Haiku I could have proudly shown to

> Charles, but

> > hopefully captures the essence and a vast

> improvement over my usual

> > verbosity, I hope?

> >

> >

> > , rishi

> shukla

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Notwithstanding, the new age perceptions,and I

> will

> > > stand on it, things are really moving so fast

> that its

> > > all a blur of events, the knowledge explosion

> has

> > > changed all norms and systems.

> > > In India, what the venerable British could not

> > > accomplish in two centuries; the Cable TV and

> the

> > > internet is achieving in two decades. An entry

> in the

> > > deep Indian hinterland. Similar is the situation

> > > elsewhere. The new agers themselves are getting

> > > changed with strong influence of Eastern thought

> > > processes.

> > > The smoke, could be therefore,just an effect and

> not a

> > > cause.

> > > The need for brevity is paramount.

> > > The urgency to sum up decades of efforts in a

> > > sentence. Fast!

> > > Commas and exclamation marks are missing and no

> full

> > > stops please.........

> > >

> > > rishi

> > >

> > > Why cannot both mercury and venus be exalted or

> be in

> > > debility together....why?

> > >

> > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > We live in rather confused age and times.

> Things are

> > > > moving fast,

> > > > even in the perceptions of the tail-end baby

> boomers

> > > > ('50's) and the

> > > > subsequent generation of flower-children and

> what

> > > > not and the next

> > > > wave of beings and on and on.

> > > >

> > > > Since late 80s and thereafter the world has

> been

> > > > enveloped by the new

> > > > reality of New Age, the modern forgiving

> religion.

> > > > Everything is

> > > > fine, there is no sin, there are no

> > > > responsibilities, there are no

> > > > barriers, there are no heights, there are no

> depths,

> > > > no rises or any

> > > > falls! Well? That sounds to me like there is

> no

> > > > movement! And yet it

> > > > has been called the New Age Movement by the

> > > > predominantly western

> > > > followers and the strategically available

> Teachers

> > > > from the East (and

> > > > west as well). However, if nothing is moving

> > > > anywhere or going

> > > > anywhere, to me that sounds suspiciously like

> status

> > > > quo!

> > > >

> > > > Now, please do not get me all wrong and get

> fumin'

> > > > mad at me (smoking

> > > > is bad, anyway! Any kind of smoking!!) but

> humor

> > > > this crumbling

> > > > ancient artifact! I think I see more and more,

> some

> > > > attractive

> > > > keywords, buzzwords and slogans being tossed

> around

> > > > rather carelessly

> > > > and at times garrishly (sp?).

> > > >

> > > > SELF-REALIZATION is one such word which had

> such

> > > > profound meaning a

> > > > couple of decades ago but lately has been

> challenged

> > > > by overusage. An

> > > > analogy from earlier college life comes to

> mind

> > > > which I will share. I

> > > > had a friend in college (late 60s). He was a

> > > > wonderful fellow

> > > > generally but and despite his super-bright

> mind he

> > > > had a flaw! He was

> > > > not an accomplished singer or had a very

> sonorous

> > > > voice (rather loud

> > > > and high pitched if you ask me! Or the other

> half a

> > > > dozen of us who

> > > > regularly poked fun at him!). Well he had

> another

> > > > BAD habit. He would

> > > > pick the sweetest song and insert words into

> it and

> > > > make it " non-

> > > > vegetarian " if you know what I mean! And he

> would

> > > > repeat that loudly

> > > > and again and again until the GOOD song was

> > > > completely destroyed for

> > > > you! Whenever you heard that song on the radio

> or in

> > > > your head,

> > > > his 'lyrics' would invade and destroy the

> pleasure

> > > > for you!

> > > >

> > > > He had virgo rising with mercury in deep

> exaltation

> > > > and venus also

> > > > placed there! Sun was in 12th and he had a

> scar on

> > > > his cheek from an

> > > > infection during childhood!

> > > >

> > > > What has that got to do with the term

> > > > self-realization or some such

> > > > wonderful and soul-uplifting labels and

> word-icons?

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Well Sir, that makes two of us -- no good at Haiku!

 

Yes they are friends, and more important than that and perhaps

diverging from strict 'tradition', even complementary (What is love

without a reason and what is the reason if there is no love ;-)) --

but the point here is that it is about the specific surroundings

(Virgo vs Pisces) that brings that facet of the two friends to fore.

Without the surroundings, they may be in another bhava=rashi and

behaving very differently, expressing very differently!

 

Thanks for bringing to our focus a very important factor! The scene

changes around the actor and the actor's role changes accordingly but

does the actor really change?

 

Are all planets in their diverse and specific roles really just

manifestations of the one and same Being?

 

RR

 

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Love and reason should not be always opposing.

> And then Ve and Me are friends, on the same side ...

> am afraid no good at haiku!

> rishi

> --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> > Dear Rishi,

> >

> > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

> > - The Ocean, unpredictable and invigourating as only

> > LOVE can be

> > - Flummoxes REASON trying to methodically churn

> > order out of CHAOS

> > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

> >

> > Now I feel better (as do tortured forum friends!)

> > Few words fewer still but the axis is complete ...

> > We make progress

> >

> > <down to one exclamation mark>

> >

> >

> > ... ,

> > " Rohiniranjan "

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > So beautiful to hear the calm voice of reason in

> > the midst of the

> > > rock concert that was going on (and some were more

> > like boulders!!).

> > >

> > > As my friend Charles often impressed upon all of

> > us on the New Age

> > > Forum (you should have seen the movement there!

> > And its smaller

> > > replica that is blossoming right now as we speak!)

> > -- if one cannot

> > > express something in Haiku (17 syllables is the

> > boundary, I am

> > > afraid!) then it probably should have remained

> > unborn! A bit harsh

> > > perhaps but there is wisdom there, as the

> > concentrated pearl that

> > > lives wonderfully in the womb, growing, but at one

> > point must

> > create

> > > such upheaval that it would have to be given

> > birth! No other option

> > > exists or is available!

> > >

> > > As to your question about venus and mercury -- I

> > have no clue and

> > am

> > > speechless ...

> > >

> > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > The sixth given to hold enemies, restrictions,

> > challenges

> > > REASON thrives and flourishes in such climes

> > > LOVE feels shrivelled in the same!

> > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > >

> > >

> > > Not quite the Haiku I could have proudly shown to

> > Charles, but

> > > hopefully captures the essence and a vast

> > improvement over my usual

> > > verbosity, I hope?

> > >

> > >

> > > , rishi

> > shukla

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Notwithstanding, the new age perceptions,and I

> > will

> > > > stand on it, things are really moving so fast

> > that its

> > > > all a blur of events, the knowledge explosion

> > has

> > > > changed all norms and systems.

> > > > In India, what the venerable British could not

> > > > accomplish in two centuries; the Cable TV and

> > the

> > > > internet is achieving in two decades. An entry

> > in the

> > > > deep Indian hinterland. Similar is the situation

> > > > elsewhere. The new agers themselves are getting

> > > > changed with strong influence of Eastern thought

> > > > processes.

> > > > The smoke, could be therefore,just an effect and

> > not a

> > > > cause.

> > > > The need for brevity is paramount.

> > > > The urgency to sum up decades of efforts in a

> > > > sentence. Fast!

> > > > Commas and exclamation marks are missing and no

> > full

> > > > stops please.........

> > > >

> > > > rishi

> > > >

> > > > Why cannot both mercury and venus be exalted or

> > be in

> > > > debility together....why?

> > > >

> > > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > We live in rather confused age and times.

> > Things are

> > > > > moving fast,

> > > > > even in the perceptions of the tail-end baby

> > boomers

> > > > > ('50's) and the

> > > > > subsequent generation of flower-children and

> > what

> > > > > not and the next

> > > > > wave of beings and on and on.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since late 80s and thereafter the world has

> > been

> > > > > enveloped by the new

> > > > > reality of New Age, the modern forgiving

> > religion.

> > > > > Everything is

> > > > > fine, there is no sin, there are no

> > > > > responsibilities, there are no

> > > > > barriers, there are no heights, there are no

> > depths,

> > > > > no rises or any

> > > > > falls! Well? That sounds to me like there is

> > no

> > > > > movement! And yet it

> > > > > has been called the New Age Movement by the

> > > > > predominantly western

> > > > > followers and the strategically available

> > Teachers

> > > > > from the East (and

> > > > > west as well). However, if nothing is moving

> > > > > anywhere or going

> > > > > anywhere, to me that sounds suspiciously like

> > status

> > > > > quo!

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, please do not get me all wrong and get

> > fumin'

> > > > > mad at me (smoking

> > > > > is bad, anyway! Any kind of smoking!!) but

> > humor

> > > > > this crumbling

> > > > > ancient artifact! I think I see more and more,

> > some

> > > > > attractive

> > > > > keywords, buzzwords and slogans being tossed

> > around

> > > > > rather carelessly

> > > > > and at times garrishly (sp?).

> > > > >

> > > > > SELF-REALIZATION is one such word which had

> > such

> > > > > profound meaning a

> > > > > couple of decades ago but lately has been

> > challenged

> > > > > by overusage. An

> > > > > analogy from earlier college life comes to

> > mind

> > > > > which I will share. I

> > > > > had a friend in college (late 60s). He was a

> > > > > wonderful fellow

> > > > > generally but and despite his super-bright

> > mind he

> > > > > had a flaw! He was

> > > > > not an accomplished singer or had a very

> > sonorous

> > > > > voice (rather loud

> > > > > and high pitched if you ask me! Or the other

> > half a

> > > > > dozen of us who

> > > > > regularly poked fun at him!). Well he had

> > another

> > > > > BAD habit. He would

> > > > > pick the sweetest song and insert words into

> > it and

> > > > > make it " non-

> > > > > vegetarian " if you know what I mean! And he

> > would

> > > > > repeat that loudly

> > > > > and again and again until the GOOD song was

> > > > > completely destroyed for

> > > > > you! Whenever you heard that song on the radio

> > or in

> > > > > your head,

> > > > > his 'lyrics' would invade and destroy the

> > pleasure

> > > > > for you!

> > > > >

> > > > > He had virgo rising with mercury in deep

> > exaltation

> > > > > and venus also

> > > > > placed there! Sun was in 12th and he had a

> > scar on

> > > > > his cheek from an

> > > > > infection during childhood!

> > > > >

> > > > > What has that got to do with the term

> > > > > self-realization or some such

> > > > > wonderful and soul-uplifting labels and

> > word-icons?

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Or are they telling us that extremeness either of love

or of reason may lead to incompleteness and there has

to be a middle path where both meet....

 

But then there is the sheer love where the Sufis get

their completeness

or the sheer Gyan Marga where one reasons out

everything.....

 

Still it is interesting to note that in a chart both

Ve and Me cannot get exalted, while it is not in case

of the other planets.

 

And while Haiku may be the fashion, the old dohas of

lets say Rahim and Kabir still do the same though they

are not visible in the cimposition of the present

poets...as rahim said...

 

rahiman pani raakhiye bin paani sab soon

pani gaye na oobre moti manush choon

 

rishi

 

 

--- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

> Well Sir, that makes two of us -- no good at Haiku!

>

> Yes they are friends, and more important than that

> and perhaps

> diverging from strict 'tradition', even

> complementary (What is love

> without a reason and what is the reason if there is

> no love ;-)) --

> but the point here is that it is about the specific

> surroundings

> (Virgo vs Pisces) that brings that facet of the two

> friends to fore.

> Without the surroundings, they may be in another

> bhava=rashi and

> behaving very differently, expressing very

> differently!

>

> Thanks for bringing to our focus a very important

> factor! The scene

> changes around the actor and the actor's role

> changes accordingly but

> does the actor really change?

>

> Are all planets in their diverse and specific roles

> really just

> manifestations of the one and same Being?

>

> RR

>

> , rishi

> shukla

> <rishi_2000in wrote:

> >

> > Love and reason should not be always opposing.

> > And then Ve and Me are friends, on the same side

> ...

> > am afraid no good at haiku!

> > rishi

> > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Rishi,

> > >

> > > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > - The Ocean, unpredictable and invigourating as

> only

> > > LOVE can be

> > > - Flummoxes REASON trying to methodically churn

> > > order out of CHAOS

> > > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

> > >

> > > Now I feel better (as do tortured forum

> friends!)

> > > Few words fewer still but the axis is complete

> ...

> > > We make progress

> > >

> > > <down to one exclamation mark>

> > >

> > >

> > > ... ,

> > > " Rohiniranjan "

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > So beautiful to hear the calm voice of reason

> in

> > > the midst of the

> > > > rock concert that was going on (and some were

> more

> > > like boulders!!).

> > > >

> > > > As my friend Charles often impressed upon all

> of

> > > us on the New Age

> > > > Forum (you should have seen the movement

> there!

> > > And its smaller

> > > > replica that is blossoming right now as we

> speak!)

> > > -- if one cannot

> > > > express something in Haiku (17 syllables is

> the

> > > boundary, I am

> > > > afraid!) then it probably should have remained

> > > unborn! A bit harsh

> > > > perhaps but there is wisdom there, as the

> > > concentrated pearl that

> > > > lives wonderfully in the womb, growing, but at

> one

> > > point must

> > > create

> > > > such upheaval that it would have to be given

> > > birth! No other option

> > > > exists or is available!

> > > >

> > > > As to your question about venus and mercury --

> I

> > > have no clue and

> > > am

> > > > speechless ...

> > > >

> > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > The sixth given to hold enemies, restrictions,

> > > challenges

> > > > REASON thrives and flourishes in such climes

> > > > LOVE feels shrivelled in the same!

> > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Not quite the Haiku I could have proudly shown

> to

> > > Charles, but

> > > > hopefully captures the essence and a vast

> > > improvement over my usual

> > > > verbosity, I hope?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , rishi

> > > shukla

> > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Notwithstanding, the new age perceptions,and

> I

> > > will

> > > > > stand on it, things are really moving so

> fast

> > > that its

> > > > > all a blur of events, the knowledge

> explosion

> > > has

> > > > > changed all norms and systems.

> > > > > In India, what the venerable British could

> not

> > > > > accomplish in two centuries; the Cable TV

> and

> > > the

> > > > > internet is achieving in two decades. An

> entry

> > > in the

> > > > > deep Indian hinterland. Similar is the

> situation

> > > > > elsewhere. The new agers themselves are

> getting

> > > > > changed with strong influence of Eastern

> thought

> > > > > processes.

> > > > > The smoke, could be therefore,just an effect

> and

> > > not a

> > > > > cause.

> > > > > The need for brevity is paramount.

> > > > > The urgency to sum up decades of efforts in

> a

> > > > > sentence. Fast!

> > > > > Commas and exclamation marks are missing and

> no

> > > full

> > > > > stops please.........

> > > > >

> > > > > rishi

> > > > >

> > > > > Why cannot both mercury and venus be exalted

> or

> > > be in

> > > > > debility together....why?

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > We live in rather confused age and times.

> > > Things are

> > > > > > moving fast,

> > > > > > even in the perceptions of the tail-end

> baby

> > > boomers

> > > > > > ('50's) and the

> > > > > > subsequent generation of flower-children

> and

> > > what

> > > > > > not and the next

> > > > > > wave of beings and on and on.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since late 80s and thereafter the world

> has

> > > been

> > > > > > enveloped by the new

> > > > > > reality of New Age, the modern forgiving

> > > religion.

> > > > > > Everything is

> > > > > > fine, there is no sin, there are no

> > > > > > responsibilities, there are no

> > > > > > barriers, there are no heights, there are

> no

> > > depths,

> > > > > > no rises or any

> > > > > > falls! Well? That sounds to me like there

> is

> > > no

> > > > > > movement! And yet it

> > > > > > has been called the New Age Movement by

> the

> > > > > > predominantly western

> > > > > > followers and the strategically available

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Absolutely Rishi! Beautiful post!

 

Thanks

 

RR

 

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Or are they telling us that extremeness either of love

> or of reason may lead to incompleteness and there has

> to be a middle path where both meet....

>

> But then there is the sheer love where the Sufis get

> their completeness

> or the sheer Gyan Marga where one reasons out

> everything.....

>

> Still it is interesting to note that in a chart both

> Ve and Me cannot get exalted, while it is not in case

> of the other planets.

>

> And while Haiku may be the fashion, the old dohas of

> lets say Rahim and Kabir still do the same though they

> are not visible in the cimposition of the present

> poets...as rahim said...

>

> rahiman pani raakhiye bin paani sab soon

> pani gaye na oobre moti manush choon

>

> rishi

>

>

> --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> > Well Sir, that makes two of us -- no good at Haiku!

> >

> > Yes they are friends, and more important than that

> > and perhaps

> > diverging from strict 'tradition', even

> > complementary (What is love

> > without a reason and what is the reason if there is

> > no love ;-)) --

> > but the point here is that it is about the specific

> > surroundings

> > (Virgo vs Pisces) that brings that facet of the two

> > friends to fore.

> > Without the surroundings, they may be in another

> > bhava=rashi and

> > behaving very differently, expressing very

> > differently!

> >

> > Thanks for bringing to our focus a very important

> > factor! The scene

> > changes around the actor and the actor's role

> > changes accordingly but

> > does the actor really change?

> >

> > Are all planets in their diverse and specific roles

> > really just

> > manifestations of the one and same Being?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , rishi

> > shukla

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Love and reason should not be always opposing.

> > > And then Ve and Me are friends, on the same side

> > ...

> > > am afraid no good at haiku!

> > > rishi

> > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Rishi,

> > > >

> > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > - The Ocean, unpredictable and invigourating as

> > only

> > > > LOVE can be

> > > > - Flummoxes REASON trying to methodically churn

> > > > order out of CHAOS

> > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > >

> > > > Now I feel better (as do tortured forum

> > friends!)

> > > > Few words fewer still but the axis is complete

> > ...

> > > > We make progress

> > > >

> > > > <down to one exclamation mark>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ... ,

> > > > " Rohiniranjan "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > So beautiful to hear the calm voice of reason

> > in

> > > > the midst of the

> > > > > rock concert that was going on (and some were

> > more

> > > > like boulders!!).

> > > > >

> > > > > As my friend Charles often impressed upon all

> > of

> > > > us on the New Age

> > > > > Forum (you should have seen the movement

> > there!

> > > > And its smaller

> > > > > replica that is blossoming right now as we

> > speak!)

> > > > -- if one cannot

> > > > > express something in Haiku (17 syllables is

> > the

> > > > boundary, I am

> > > > > afraid!) then it probably should have remained

> > > > unborn! A bit harsh

> > > > > perhaps but there is wisdom there, as the

> > > > concentrated pearl that

> > > > > lives wonderfully in the womb, growing, but at

> > one

> > > > point must

> > > > create

> > > > > such upheaval that it would have to be given

> > > > birth! No other option

> > > > > exists or is available!

> > > > >

> > > > > As to your question about venus and mercury --

> > I

> > > > have no clue and

> > > > am

> > > > > speechless ...

> > > > >

> > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > > The sixth given to hold enemies, restrictions,

> > > > challenges

> > > > > REASON thrives and flourishes in such climes

> > > > > LOVE feels shrivelled in the same!

> > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Not quite the Haiku I could have proudly shown

> > to

> > > > Charles, but

> > > > > hopefully captures the essence and a vast

> > > > improvement over my usual

> > > > > verbosity, I hope?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , rishi

> > > > shukla

> > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Notwithstanding, the new age perceptions,and

> > I

> > > > will

> > > > > > stand on it, things are really moving so

> > fast

> > > > that its

> > > > > > all a blur of events, the knowledge

> > explosion

> > > > has

> > > > > > changed all norms and systems.

> > > > > > In India, what the venerable British could

> > not

> > > > > > accomplish in two centuries; the Cable TV

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > internet is achieving in two decades. An

> > entry

> > > > in the

> > > > > > deep Indian hinterland. Similar is the

> > situation

> > > > > > elsewhere. The new agers themselves are

> > getting

> > > > > > changed with strong influence of Eastern

> > thought

> > > > > > processes.

> > > > > > The smoke, could be therefore,just an effect

> > and

> > > > not a

> > > > > > cause.

> > > > > > The need for brevity is paramount.

> > > > > > The urgency to sum up decades of efforts in

> > a

> > > > > > sentence. Fast!

> > > > > > Commas and exclamation marks are missing and

> > no

> > > > full

> > > > > > stops please.........

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rishi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why cannot both mercury and venus be exalted

> > or

> > > > be in

> > > > > > debility together....why?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > We live in rather confused age and times.

> > > > Things are

> > > > > > > moving fast,

> > > > > > > even in the perceptions of the tail-end

> > baby

> > > > boomers

> > > > > > > ('50's) and the

> > > > > > > subsequent generation of flower-children

> > and

> > > > what

> > > > > > > not and the next

> > > > > > > wave of beings and on and on.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since late 80s and thereafter the world

> > has

> > > > been

> > > > > > > enveloped by the new

> > > > > > > reality of New Age, the modern forgiving

> > > > religion.

> > > > > > > Everything is

> > > > > > > fine, there is no sin, there are no

> > > > > > > responsibilities, there are no

> > > > > > > barriers, there are no heights, there are

> > no

> > > > depths,

> > > > > > > no rises or any

> > > > > > > falls! Well? That sounds to me like there

> > is

> > > > no

> > > > > > > movement! And yet it

> > > > > > > has been called the New Age Movement by

> > the

> > > > > > > predominantly western

> > > > > > > followers and the strategically available

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

>

>