Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 god is a big fire that has constructive and destructive soul is a spark of fire who is same as big fire by the property but does not have creative and construction power the small spark merges in the big fire and is one with god again god is ocean and soul is a glass of ocean water ocean is v powerful with constructive and destructive powers a drop of ocean water even though same does not have the same powers as ocean and that drop, merges with ocean and becomes one soul does not return back to life and death until the life span of a brahma is over but karmas survive change of kalpa and manavantar - Vikrant<free_for_blue free_for_blue <free_for_blue > Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:47 PM what happens after getting moksh i have a seriouse question that is been going in my mind since long....... when one cuts the cycle of death and re-birth and gets moksh or mukti then what happens...then what happens to the atman(the soul)....if one knows that this is his last physical life in this world and he will not be born again since he has now cut/stop the cycle of death & re-birth then what happens to his/her soul after this life....in this specific case where does the soul go after leaving the body...does it get dissolved in the cosmic universe or what...what is the final resting place or final destination for the atman(the soul) in the infinite universe considering the scenario i gave now... any views ... Vikrant Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 vedic astrology , Vikrant <free_for_blue wrote: > > i have a seriouse question that is been going in my mind since long....... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> master the mind and be a mastermind. Mind goes to the background when one has jivanmukti. These questions recede to the background as atma consciousness comes to the foreground. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > when one cuts the cycle of death and re-birth and gets moksh or mukti then what happens...then what happens to the atman(the soul).... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually departs the body via the eye socket ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if one knows that this is his last physical life in this world and he will not be born again since he has now cut/stop the cycle of death & re-birth then what happens to his/her soul after this life >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the human race. Ever since the birth of consciousness, man has been seeking the meaning of life, the goal of life. If you pray to the manes, you go to the manes; if you pray to the gods, you go to the gods, if you pray for Swarga, you go to Swarga; if you seek the formless absolute, then you merge with the formless absolute. One does not have attachment for these things and their answers, one seeks detachment and a firm, steady mind at the moment of death, focussed on charana kamala, the Lotus Feet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .....in this specific case where does the soul go after leaving the body...does it get dissolved in the cosmic universe or what...what is the final resting place or final destination for the atman(the soul) in the infinite universe considering the scenario i gave now... > any views ... > > Vikrant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For those who come back, what they are thinking of at the moment of death determines where they go in the intercostal period. For those who do not come back, one would have to ask what it is they are focussed on or what their awareness is of their true nature. Perhaps, one could say " Krishnapranam " or " Sohum " with every breath; then the consciousness is not koham, deham, aham, but I am He! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Namaste, SOUL WITH UNFULFILLED DESIRES GETS REBIRTH? soul that gets moksh or mukti iluminated in the skys as Nakshtra? Certain Soul gets elevated to the rank of INDRATHI DEVATHAS according to HINDU mythology? There are good many pandits in the list they could throw more light on the subject if they get a sight of your query. Chris Parnell <chris wrote: vedic astrology , Vikrant <free_for_blue wrote: > > i have a seriouse question that is been going in my mind since long....... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> master the mind and be a mastermind. Mind goes to the background when one has jivanmukti. These questions recede to the background as atma consciousness comes to the foreground. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > when one cuts the cycle of death and re-birth and gets moksh or mukti then what happens...then what happens to the atman(the soul).... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually departs the body via the eye socket ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if one knows that this is his last physical life in this world and he will not be born again since he has now cut/stop the cycle of death & re-birth then what happens to his/her soul after this life >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the human race. Ever since the birth of consciousness, man has been seeking the meaning of life, the goal of life. If you pray to the manes, you go to the manes; if you pray to the gods, you go to the gods, if you pray for Swarga, you go to Swarga; if you seek the formless absolute, then you merge with the formless absolute. One does not have attachment for these things and their answers, one seeks detachment and a firm, steady mind at the moment of death, focussed on charana kamala, the Lotus Feet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ....in this specific case where does the soul go after leaving the body...does it get dissolved in the cosmic universe or what...what is the final resting place or final destination for the atman(the soul) in the infinite universe considering the scenario i gave now... > any views ... > > Vikrant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For those who come back, what they are thinking of at the moment of death determines where they go in the intercostal period. For those who do not come back, one would have to ask what it is they are focussed on or what their awareness is of their true nature. Perhaps, one could say " Krishnapranam " or " Sohum " with every breath; then the consciousness is not koham, deham, aham, but I am He! Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 i have a seriouse question that is been going in my mind since long....... when one cuts the cycle of death and re-birth and gets moksh or mukti then what happens...then what happens to the atman(the soul)....if one knows that this is his last physical life in this world and he will not be born again since he has now cut/stop the cycle of death & re-birth then what happens to his/her soul after this life....in this specific case where does the soul go after leaving the body...does it get dissolved in the cosmic universe or what...what is the final resting place or final destination for the atman(the soul) in the infinite universe considering the scenario i gave now... any views ... Vikrant Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Dear Vikrant ji, Have you heard one story? The Atmans are fixed in number, imperishable, and it can neither be increased or decreased and god is alone. Now when the earth was created god looked around to put the atman inside some living being and couldn't find none. So he captured some atmans that are flying around put a hundred each in each dinosaur that just started evolving! So in short the Dinosaurs had more atmans in a single body than we have today (only a single one inside)! Further prior to the period of Dinosaurs all these atmans where hiding amebas and fungi and even prior to that inside rocks and lava!! Now since there is enough human beings in number they started living inside humans! Well that is just a fictitious story... :) It is possibly due to this very reason that Budha said their is no Atman and Gurjuff that we have to acquire the atman. In short 'Atma' or 'Soul' is just another name for 'Pure consciousness'. Please don't start giving it individuality. Moksha just means 'merging with the whole', 'merging with the ultimate', 'merging with Siva' and thus getting out of the cycle and recycling of matter or the stuff. But still the body will be re-cycled, but the pure consciousness escapes to merge with the true reality. If that is Moksha, then what else to happen 'after' that?!! There is no prior or after (meaning 'time losses meaning') and no universe or recycling. What is what is - and the reality realized! [No! Not by the I-ness! Nobody is getting moksha. Nobody is present their.....What happens is relity -pure consciousness - getting merged back into pure consciousness] Now you can start 'thinking'(!) about the benefits(!) or usefulness of Moksha; or just start 'practicing' meditation and get rid of such questions. Note: Logic is good for practical purpose, but not in the search of something that is beyond the mind (beyond the logic)...there only feeling and (at least) occasional experience of the pure consciousness can help us...Life is a mystery and it will remain so... Love, Sreenadh , Vikrant <free_for_blue wrote: > > i have a seriouse question that is been going in my mind since long....... > when one cuts the cycle of death and re-birth and gets moksh or mukti then what happens...then what happens to the atman(the soul)....if one knows that this is his last physical life in this world and he will not be born again since he has now cut/stop the cycle of death & re-birth then what happens to his/her soul after this life....in this specific case where does the soul go after leaving the body...does it get dissolved in the cosmic universe or what...what is the final resting place or final destination for the atman(the soul) in the infinite universe considering the scenario i gave now... > any views ... > > Vikrant > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Dear Vikrant, It merges with the Parmatman. Chandrashekhar. Vikrant wrote: > > i have a seriouse question that is been going in my mind since long....... > when one cuts the cycle of death and re-birth and gets moksh or mukti > then what happens...then what happens to the atman(the soul)....if one > knows that this is his last physical life in this world and he will > not be born again since he has now cut/stop the cycle of death & > re-birth then what happens to his/her soul after this life....in this > specific case where does the soul go after leaving the body...does it > get dissolved in the cosmic universe or what...what is the final > resting place or final destination for the atman(the soul) in the > infinite universe considering the scenario i gave now... > any views ... > > Vikrant > > > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're > surfing. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Vikrant, > i have a seriouse question that is been going in my mind since long....... > when one cuts the cycle of death and re-birth and gets moksh or mukti then what happens...then what happens to the atman(the soul)....if one knows that this is his last physical life in this world and he will not be born again since he has now cut/stop the cycle of death & re-birth then what happens to his/her soul after this life....in this specific case where does the soul go after leaving the body...does it get dissolved in the cosmic universe or what...what is the final resting place or final destination for the atman(the soul) in the infinite universe considering the scenario i gave now... > any views ... > > Vikrant All that there is is Brahman. Just as ripples arise in ocean and the ripples forget that they are just ocean and form a separate identity and look at other parts of the same ocean as different ripples/other objects, a part of Brahman forgets that it is Brahman and forms a separate identity. It starts looking at other parts of Brahman as different objects. Moksha is when one completely loses these false self-identities and realizes one's true nature, i.e. that one is not a ripple but the ocean itself. There are two kinds. In the first kind, one enters a Nirvikalpa samadhi. One just merges in Brahman. One no longer has any self-identification (e.g. " I am Vikrant " , " I am Narasimha " , " I am an astrologer " , " I am a good person " etc). One neither perceives " self " or " other " . One's perception is clear of any objects or duality. One just swims in the bliss that true self is (sat-chid-ananda). There is no experience. There is no self, no objects to be experienced and no experience. If one reaches this state and does not return from the state (Ramakrishna Paramahamsa used to say " salt doll went to measure the depth of the ocean and melted and mixed with the ocean " ), that is moksha. The second kind is even more difficult. In that kind, one enters Sahaja samadhi. One sees different objects of this dual world and interacts with those objects as if one is a limited object too. But yet, one fully realizes that all objects are non-different from Brahman. In terms of our ocean-ripple analogy, one realizes that one is not a ripple but ocean and yet acts like a ripple with other ripples without any corruption in the understanding that all is ocean. Being rooted in non-duality perfectly while perceiving and acting in the dual world is indeed difficult. One who reaches this state is living and yet liberated (jeevanmukta). This is an extremely difficult thing. There have been many who got moksha, but very very very very few who got moksha while living in the body and acting in the body. Yogis like Shirdi Sai Baba, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Ramana Maharshi are indeed rare. BTW, it is my feeling that you will benefit from performing Mahaganapathi homam with some regularity. If interested, please pursue the link below. Best regards, Narasimha ------------------------------- Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Sri Narasimha, I am really glad to see you back in this group. It reminds me of the very interesting debats we had sometime ago. I always appreciate your contribution. Best regards, Satya S Kolachina , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Dear Vikrant, > > > i have a seriouse question that is been going in my mind since long....... > > when one cuts the cycle of death and re-birth and gets moksh or mukti then what happens...then what happens to the atman(the soul)....if one knows that this is his last physical life in this world and he will not be born again since he has now cut/stop the cycle of death & re-birth then what happens to his/her soul after this life....in this specific case where does the soul go after leaving the body...does it get dissolved in the cosmic universe or what...what is the final resting place or final destination for the atman(the soul) in the infinite universe considering the scenario i gave now... > > any views ... > > > > Vikrant > > All that there is is Brahman. Just as ripples arise in ocean and the ripples forget that they are just ocean and form a separate identity and look at other parts of the same ocean as different ripples/other objects, a part of Brahman forgets that it is Brahman and forms a separate identity. It starts looking at other parts of Brahman as different objects. > > Moksha is when one completely loses these false self-identities and realizes one's true nature, i.e. that one is not a ripple but the ocean itself. > > There are two kinds. In the first kind, one enters a Nirvikalpa samadhi. One just merges in Brahman. One no longer has any self- identification (e.g. " I am Vikrant " , " I am Narasimha " , " I am an astrologer " , " I am a good person " etc). One neither perceives " self " or " other " . One's perception is clear of any objects or duality. One just swims in the bliss that true self is (sat-chid-ananda). There is no experience. There is no self, no objects to be experienced and no experience. > > If one reaches this state and does not return from the state (Ramakrishna Paramahamsa used to say " salt doll went to measure the depth of the ocean and melted and mixed with the ocean " ), that is moksha. > > The second kind is even more difficult. In that kind, one enters Sahaja samadhi. One sees different objects of this dual world and interacts with those objects as if one is a limited object too. But yet, one fully realizes that all objects are non-different from Brahman. In terms of our ocean-ripple analogy, one realizes that one is not a ripple but ocean and yet acts like a ripple with other ripples without any corruption in the understanding that all is ocean. Being rooted in non-duality perfectly while perceiving and acting in the dual world is indeed difficult. One who reaches this state is living and yet liberated (jeevanmukta). This is an extremely difficult thing. > > There have been many who got moksha, but very very very very few who got moksha while living in the body and acting in the body. Yogis like Shirdi Sai Baba, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Ramana Maharshi are indeed rare. > > BTW, it is my feeling that you will benefit from performing Mahaganapathi homam with some regularity. If interested, please pursue the link below. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2007 Report Share Posted June 30, 2007 Dear Vikrant, After your last post this aspect has been dealt with at some length on this forum. Nachiketa had asked similar questions from Yamaraj. " Kathopnishad " contains the entire explanation about happenings after death till next birth in conversation form beautifully - read that. That would help you understand the sibject better. Best wishes, Amitabh Shastri Vikrant <free_for_blue wrote: i have a seriouse question that is been going in my mind since long....... when one cuts the cycle of death and re-birth and gets moksh or mukti then what happens...then what happens to the atman(the soul)....if one knows that this is his last physical life in this world and he will not be born again since he has now cut/stop the cycle of death & re-birth then what happens to his/her soul after this life....in this specific case where does the soul go after leaving the body...does it get dissolved in the cosmic universe or what...what is the final resting place or final destination for the atman(the soul) in the infinite universe considering the scenario i gave now... any views ... Vikrant Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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