Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Respected Astrologers, I came across this person who is under severe mental tension,under debt,his work not going on well..He has unlimited problems to speak of.He came to me because someone seeing his horoscope said that he was to die soon.Though I cant see his troubles ending because of moon in the eighth house with the eighth lord and the lagna lord.DOes it portend a short life?Accdg to VIm Dasa moon dasa is going with rahu antara...rahu ketu forming kaal sarp yoga in the 5-11 axis. Does he have a short life?ANy remeides he can perform? I would request Gurus to shed light. his date of birth-22nd july,1968 time-4:40pm place chandigarh Regards Prashant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Dear Frd, First of all, let me say that the topic of death is something which sld not be discussed in anycase or any astrologer sld not brief any info if he finds in a chart to the native.This exclusive subject is a vast sea and we can only apply some rules after anybody's death .Even in the chart you have sent, it can be easily seen that the lagna is on the borderline and 10 minutes diiference may change the whole scinario of the chart,and if any astrologer merely predict on the basis of this TOB,this only reflect ignorance.I want to point out few things like... 1] Ascendant is variable and such topic demands full knowledge,experience and tark to ascertain lagna, (wheather is Scorpio or Saggi) 2] Few past events are not given to validate the TOB. No doubt, the native is passing thru Saturn mahadasha and Saturn antradasha but death may not possible in this antradasa.Natural death may happen in Saturn mahadasha, and in the antra of Sun, Mars, or Jupitor antradasha as per given TOB.Thats all i want to write here instead going into details. Anup yup_i_can_tell <yup_i_can_tell wrote: Respected Astrologers, I came across this person who is under severe mental tension,under debt,his work not going on well..He has unlimited problems to speak of.He came to me because someone seeing his horoscope said that he was to die soon.Though I cant see his troubles ending because of moon in the eighth house with the eighth lord and the lagna lord.DOes it portend a short life?Accdg to VIm Dasa moon dasa is going with rahu antara...rahu ketu forming kaal sarp yoga in the 5-11 axis. Does he have a short life?ANy remeides he can perform? I would request Gurus to shed light. his date of birth-22nd july,1968 time-4:40pm place chandigarh Regards Prashant Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Dear Anup, Whatever you said it is all correct . But Sa MD as per given data will not give death coz Sa aspects A, B and C. Next MD will be that of Me who may give the event in its AD of Su, Ma and Ju subject to other conditions. Ramesh Mishra " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Frd, First of all, let me say that the topic of death is something which sld not be discussed in anycase or any astrologer sld not brief any info if he finds in a chart to the native.This exclusive subject is a vast sea and we can only apply some rules after anybody's death .Even in the chart you have sent, it can be easily seen that the lagna is on the borderline and 10 minutes diiference may change the whole scinario of the chart,and if any astrologer merely predict on the basis of this TOB,this only reflect ignorance.I want to point out few things like... 1] Ascendant is variable and such topic demands full knowledge,experience and tark to ascertain lagna, (wheather is Scorpio or Saggi) 2] Few past events are not given to validate the TOB. No doubt, the native is passing thru Saturn mahadasha and Saturn antradasha but death may not possible in this antradasa.Natural death may happen in Saturn mahadasha, and in the antra of Sun, Mars, or Jupitor antradasha as per given TOB.Thats all i want to write here instead going into details. Anup yup_i_can_tell <yup_i_can_tell wrote: Respected Astrologers, I came across this person who is under severe mental tension,under debt,his work not going on well..He has unlimited problems to speak of.He came to me because someone seeing his horoscope said that he was to die soon.Though I cant see his troubles ending because of moon in the eighth house with the eighth lord and the lagna lord.DOes it portend a short life?Accdg to VIm Dasa moon dasa is going with rahu antara...rahu ketu forming kaal sarp yoga in the 5-11 axis. Does he have a short life?ANy remeides he can perform? I would request Gurus to shed light. his date of birth-22nd july,1968 time-4:40pm place chandigarh Regards Prashant Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Dear Anup, Considering Sc lagna please check up Me-Ra period for practice. As you see his 8th house in WS the native got long life because three planets are weak in WS viz. Mo, Me and Ma so the event like death may not take place before the age of 60 yrs. It may take place after 60 only so after that Me MD may show the event. Me is NK for 8th and Ra is SD to Ju LoD. Ju has 11 points for 3rd and 15 for 8th.Ra antara comes before Ju so he is also eager to give the event. On 20 Oct 2034 Su transits in Libra his 12th house. When you analyse his 8th house of native his lagna lord Ma is with 8th lord Me and Mo. These all three planets are aspected malefically by Sa from 6th house. Sa is in upchaya house from 8th. In navamsa also Sa aspects Ma, Me and Mo. Though this topic is very complicated still we should have practice for learning purpose. Hope u will say something. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Anup, Whatever you said it is all correct . But Sa MD as per given data will not give death coz Sa aspects A, B and C. Next MD will be that of Me who may give the event in its AD of Su, Ma and Ju subject to other conditions. Ramesh Mishra " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Frd, First of all, let me say that the topic of death is something which sld not be discussed in anycase or any astrologer sld not brief any info if he finds in a chart to the native.This exclusive subject is a vast sea and we can only apply some rules after anybody's death .Even in the chart you have sent, it can be easily seen that the lagna is on the borderline and 10 minutes diiference may change the whole scinario of the chart,and if any astrologer merely predict on the basis of this TOB,this only reflect ignorance.I want to point out few things like... 1] Ascendant is variable and such topic demands full knowledge,experience and tark to ascertain lagna, (wheather is Scorpio or Saggi) 2] Few past events are not given to validate the TOB. No doubt, the native is passing thru Saturn mahadasha and Saturn antradasha but death may not possible in this antradasa.Natural death may happen in Saturn mahadasha, and in the antra of Sun, Mars, or Jupitor antradasha as per given TOB.Thats all i want to write here instead going into details. Anup yup_i_can_tell <yup_i_can_tell wrote: Respected Astrologers, I came across this person who is under severe mental tension,under debt,his work not going on well..He has unlimited problems to speak of.He came to me because someone seeing his horoscope said that he was to die soon.Though I cant see his troubles ending because of moon in the eighth house with the eighth lord and the lagna lord.DOes it portend a short life?Accdg to VIm Dasa moon dasa is going with rahu antara...rahu ketu forming kaal sarp yoga in the 5-11 axis. Does he have a short life?ANy remeides he can perform? I would request Gurus to shed light. his date of birth-22nd july,1968 time-4:40pm place chandigarh Regards Prashant Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Thanxs for ur nice words but for delay, i think we sld consider aspects in rashi houses or its lords by Saturn(Like Venus, Mer, and Jup in this case in rashi chart) , and Saturn is not aspecting these lords neither in navamsa or rashi chart. Saturn in navamsa in 2nd house may not be considered for causing any delay as this is neither aspecting lords of house A, B, or C lords and nor the houses in navamsa which are not houses of Rashi chart. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Anup, Whatever you said it is all correct . But Sa MD as per given data will not give death coz Sa aspects A, B and C. Next MD will be that of Me who may give the event in its AD of Su, Ma and Ju subject to other conditions. Ramesh Mishra " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Frd, First of all, let me say that the topic of death is something which sld not be discussed in anycase or any astrologer sld not brief any info if he finds in a chart to the native.This exclusive subject is a vast sea and we can only apply some rules after anybody's death .Even in the chart you have sent, it can be easily seen that the lagna is on the borderline and 10 minutes diiference may change the whole scinario of the chart,and if any astrologer merely predict on the basis of this TOB,this only reflect ignorance.I want to point out few things like... 1] Ascendant is variable and such topic demands full knowledge,experience and tark to ascertain lagna, (wheather is Scorpio or Saggi) 2] Few past events are not given to validate the TOB. No doubt, the native is passing thru Saturn mahadasha and Saturn antradasha but death may not possible in this antradasa.Natural death may happen in Saturn mahadasha, and in the antra of Sun, Mars, or Jupitor antradasha as per given TOB.Thats all i want to write here instead going into details. Anup yup_i_can_tell <yup_i_can_tell wrote: Respected Astrologers, I came across this person who is under severe mental tension,under debt,his work not going on well..He has unlimited problems to speak of.He came to me because someone seeing his horoscope said that he was to die soon.Though I cant see his troubles ending because of moon in the eighth house with the eighth lord and the lagna lord.DOes it portend a short life?Accdg to VIm Dasa moon dasa is going with rahu antara...rahu ketu forming kaal sarp yoga in the 5-11 axis. Does he have a short life?ANy remeides he can perform? I would request Gurus to shed light. his date of birth-22nd july,1968 time-4:40pm place chandigarh Regards Prashant Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Your analysis is very nice and self explanatory.Let me write again further few words.Saturn may only give death if this is a natural death. Now Saturn (functional karka) in 6th house in rashi chart and with Mercury (natural karka)plus representing Mars in navamsa(2nd house) Mars being lord of 2nd and 9th house in navamsa shows some situations like being away from the home/separation etc and Mars is also lord of first house in rashi chart(LoE) and in house 8 in natal chart. The secondary upachya house lords like Jup and Mars are strong (with more points) in 8th house This shows a short life for the native.(when LoD and LoE are strong , this may give the native a shorter life) As per the position of the native (described in query) he is under debt and tension. So you may assume further the event as per your knowledge and experience. The main query was Saturn delay which i hope you must give your views about this. Yes, a vast subject this is, no doubt. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Anup, Considering Sc lagna please check up Me-Ra period for practice. As you see his 8th house in WS the native got long life because three planets are weak in WS viz. Mo, Me and Ma so the event like death may not take place before the age of 60 yrs. It may take place after 60 only so after that Me MD may show the event. Me is NK for 8th and Ra is SD to Ju LoD. Ju has 11 points for 3rd and 15 for 8th.Ra antara comes before Ju so he is also eager to give the event. On 20 Oct 2034 Su transits in Libra his 12th house. When you analyse his 8th house of native his lagna lord Ma is with 8th lord Me and Mo. These all three planets are aspected malefically by Sa from 6th house. Sa is in upchaya house from 8th. In navamsa also Sa aspects Ma, Me and Mo. Though this topic is very complicated still we should have practice for learning purpose. Hope u will say something. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Anup, Whatever you said it is all correct . But Sa MD as per given data will not give death coz Sa aspects A, B and C. Next MD will be that of Me who may give the event in its AD of Su, Ma and Ju subject to other conditions. Ramesh Mishra " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Frd, First of all, let me say that the topic of death is something which sld not be discussed in anycase or any astrologer sld not brief any info if he finds in a chart to the native.This exclusive subject is a vast sea and we can only apply some rules after anybody's death .Even in the chart you have sent, it can be easily seen that the lagna is on the borderline and 10 minutes diiference may change the whole scinario of the chart,and if any astrologer merely predict on the basis of this TOB,this only reflect ignorance.I want to point out few things like... 1] Ascendant is variable and such topic demands full knowledge,experience and tark to ascertain lagna, (wheather is Scorpio or Saggi) 2] Few past events are not given to validate the TOB. No doubt, the native is passing thru Saturn mahadasha and Saturn antradasha but death may not possible in this antradasa.Natural death may happen in Saturn mahadasha, and in the antra of Sun, Mars, or Jupitor antradasha as per given TOB.Thats all i want to write here instead going into details. Anup yup_i_can_tell <yup_i_can_tell wrote: Respected Astrologers, I came across this person who is under severe mental tension,under debt,his work not going on well..He has unlimited problems to speak of.He came to me because someone seeing his horoscope said that he was to die soon.Though I cant see his troubles ending because of moon in the eighth house with the eighth lord and the lagna lord.DOes it portend a short life?Accdg to VIm Dasa moon dasa is going with rahu antara...rahu ketu forming kaal sarp yoga in the 5-11 axis. Does he have a short life?ANy remeides he can perform? I would request Gurus to shed light. his date of birth-22nd july,1968 time-4:40pm place chandigarh Regards Prashant Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Dear Anup, I am not telling about delay caused by Sa. I meant to say when LoA or karak aspects any significating houses then karak doen not give the event in its MD but the result is shown by its SD. In this chart Karak is Sa who aspects house A, B and C so Sa MD will not give the event. If you see in the archives you may find it. Somewhere Krushna ji has written it. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Ramesh, Thanxs for ur nice words but for delay, i think we sld consider aspects in rashi houses or its lords by Saturn(Like Venus, Mer, and Jup in this case in rashi chart) , and Saturn is not aspecting these lords neither in navamsa or rashi chart. Saturn in navamsa in 2nd house may not be considered for causing any delay as this is neither aspecting lords of house A, B, or C lords and nor the houses in navamsa which are not houses of Rashi chart. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Anup, Whatever you said it is all correct . But Sa MD as per given data will not give death coz Sa aspects A, B and C. Next MD will be that of Me who may give the event in its AD of Su, Ma and Ju subject to other conditions. Ramesh Mishra " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Frd, First of all, let me say that the topic of death is something which sld not be discussed in anycase or any astrologer sld not brief any info if he finds in a chart to the native.This exclusive subject is a vast sea and we can only apply some rules after anybody's death .Even in the chart you have sent, it can be easily seen that the lagna is on the borderline and 10 minutes diiference may change the whole scinario of the chart,and if any astrologer merely predict on the basis of this TOB,this only reflect ignorance.I want to point out few things like... 1] Ascendant is variable and such topic demands full knowledge,experience and tark to ascertain lagna, (wheather is Scorpio or Saggi) 2] Few past events are not given to validate the TOB. No doubt, the native is passing thru Saturn mahadasha and Saturn antradasha but death may not possible in this antradasa.Natural death may happen in Saturn mahadasha, and in the antra of Sun, Mars, or Jupitor antradasha as per given TOB.Thats all i want to write here instead going into details. Anup yup_i_can_tell <yup_i_can_tell wrote: Respected Astrologers, I came across this person who is under severe mental tension,under debt,his work not going on well..He has unlimited problems to speak of.He came to me because someone seeing his horoscope said that he was to die soon.Though I cant see his troubles ending because of moon in the eighth house with the eighth lord and the lagna lord.DOes it portend a short life?Accdg to VIm Dasa moon dasa is going with rahu antara...rahu ketu forming kaal sarp yoga in the 5-11 axis. Does he have a short life?ANy remeides he can perform? I would request Gurus to shed light. his date of birth-22nd july,1968 time-4:40pm place chandigarh Regards Prashant Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Dear Ramesh, You are right that Saturn (FK) is aspecting house A,B,and C, so it wont give the event itself.I am of the opinion that this karka is afflicted being in 6th house, so this may alter the things.About 20oct,2034 when sun will transit 12th house, even then there sld be rising daily points strength somewhere near that period. regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Anup, I am not telling about delay caused by Sa. I meant to say when LoA or karak aspects any significating houses then karak doen not give the event in its MD but the result is shown by its SD. In this chart Karak is Sa who aspects house A, B and C so Sa MD will not give the event. If you see in the archives you may find it. Somewhere Krushna ji has written it. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Ramesh, Thanxs for ur nice words but for delay, i think we sld consider aspects in rashi houses or its lords by Saturn(Like Venus, Mer, and Jup in this case in rashi chart) , and Saturn is not aspecting these lords neither in navamsa or rashi chart. Saturn in navamsa in 2nd house may not be considered for causing any delay as this is neither aspecting lords of house A, B, or C lords and nor the houses in navamsa which are not houses of Rashi chart. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Anup, Whatever you said it is all correct . But Sa MD as per given data will not give death coz Sa aspects A, B and C. Next MD will be that of Me who may give the event in its AD of Su, Ma and Ju subject to other conditions. Ramesh Mishra " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Frd, First of all, let me say that the topic of death is something which sld not be discussed in anycase or any astrologer sld not brief any info if he finds in a chart to the native.This exclusive subject is a vast sea and we can only apply some rules after anybody's death .Even in the chart you have sent, it can be easily seen that the lagna is on the borderline and 10 minutes diiference may change the whole scinario of the chart,and if any astrologer merely predict on the basis of this TOB,this only reflect ignorance.I want to point out few things like... 1] Ascendant is variable and such topic demands full knowledge,experience and tark to ascertain lagna, (wheather is Scorpio or Saggi) 2] Few past events are not given to validate the TOB. No doubt, the native is passing thru Saturn mahadasha and Saturn antradasha but death may not possible in this antradasa.Natural death may happen in Saturn mahadasha, and in the antra of Sun, Mars, or Jupitor antradasha as per given TOB.Thats all i want to write here instead going into details. Anup yup_i_can_tell <yup_i_can_tell wrote: Respected Astrologers, I came across this person who is under severe mental tension,under debt,his work not going on well..He has unlimited problems to speak of.He came to me because someone seeing his horoscope said that he was to die soon.Though I cant see his troubles ending because of moon in the eighth house with the eighth lord and the lagna lord.DOes it portend a short life?Accdg to VIm Dasa moon dasa is going with rahu antara...rahu ketu forming kaal sarp yoga in the 5-11 axis. Does he have a short life?ANy remeides he can perform? I would request Gurus to shed light. his date of birth-22nd july,1968 time-4:40pm place chandigarh Regards Prashant Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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