Why are are born here - birth and rebirth why ?

[Guest guest]

Gurujans,

 

One of my friends told me what is the reason of our birth. Whether we

are born with a particular motive or it is just a routine process. Why

we are born on earth and how we get moksha?

 

So can anyone enlighten us reason/ motive of our birth ?

 

Can we know the reason by looking into the horoscope ?

 

with regards

sushil dikshit

[Guest guest]

Dear Sushil,

 

This is a question on which an entire Upanishad is available - Kathopnishad is

in the form of a dialogue between Yama, lord of death and Nachiketa. The latter

puts across a similar question to Yama. And with great persuasion, Yama finally

explained the cycle of life and death to the querent. Many other scriptures have

also dwelt on the same subject.

 

Now without going into the details, I would try and answer as briefly as

possible.

 

To understand this cycle of life and death, it is important to understand the

cycle of Karma. There are four types of Karma.

1. Sanchit - These are accumulated karmas through all your lives, past and

present; in whichever form you have taken birth. This is like a bank account

where all savings, both positive and negative, are stored.

2. Prarabdha - These are the Karmas whose fruit you are getting during this

life. They have already started and would end with death. These are debited from

the Sanchit Karmas.

3. Kriyaman - These are the Karmas pertaining to this life. All actions taken

during this life get accumulated to the Sanchit Karmas. These are the ones you

are doing and are balanced with the Sanchit Karmas. All Karmas whose fruit would

be borne in some future life are credited to the Sanchit Karmas. Those Karmas

whose fruit are borne in this life itself are debited. Your free will plays an

important part in formulation of these Karmas.

3. Agami - These Karmas would be fructifying in due course of time, maybe in

some future life. As a result of your thoughts and actions these Karmas

accumulate and would bear results later on.

 

Now for Moksha, the sum total of all Karmas must be zero. You should not have to

pay any one. If all karmas can be burnt in this life, moksha would be available.

However, this is very difficult because of the environment and other situations

prevailing around. There are very few lucky ones who are privileged to this

position. But this is also cyclic. Everyone achieves Moksha - some early and

some later. What does Moksha imply? In simplest words it implies freedom from

the cycle of life and death, freedom from bondage, liberation, bliss. But this

freedom is also not permanent. Since the freedom began, it must also end at some

stage. A liberated soul has to assume a physical form (birth) again after a

period of 311,040,000,000,000 years!

 

Coming to birth now. It is NOT a routine process. A soul assumes a physical form

when situations are favourable for the soul to redeem its Sanchit Karmas. Else

it would not take birth. The soul enters the body of the parent through the food

chain. All living beings (humans, animals, birds etc) with whom interaction

takes place during a life, are part of the larger Karmic cycle, which is quite

complex and not easy to understand. In the process of Karma, a term

" Rnanubandhan " is important. In simple words it implies that you would only

interact with a living being, only if a IOU of Karma exists from either side. If

it does not exist there is no interaction. This bond exists not only with

parents, family members, relatives; it exists with all living beings with whom

you interact in daily life. If the Karma balance can be equalised with the

opposite being, that's a step closer to Moksha!!!

 

I hope there is some clarity now...

 

Best wishes,

Amitabh Shastri

 

 

" sushil.dikshit " <sushil.dikshit wrote:

Gurujans,

 

One of my friends told me what is the reason of our birth. Whether we

are born with a particular motive or it is just a routine process. Why

we are born on earth and how we get moksha?

 

So can anyone enlighten us reason/ motive of our birth ?

 

Can we know the reason by looking into the horoscope ?

 

with regards

sushil dikshit

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Respected Shastri Ji,

 

very good article indeed,but the basic question

remains the same,or if put in other form what is the

need of this cycle of birth/death and this world and

what purpose is it solving,dont u think there is no

end unto this,u are saying a soul has to take rebirth

after so many yrs(counting is difficult),so what is

the use of moksha one tries to attain if one has to

start its journey again,its indeed very tough to

decipher such things,vaise thanks a lot for ur

informative article,i would like to ask that are we

living in 28th kaliyug,

a little question sir,nowadays there are so many sects

like radhaswami,and like tht many of them offering

moksha through their " naam gyan " ,do u thing is it

possible to achieve moksha through such simple naam

gyan being offered by so many sects all which call

there gyan the supreme way to attain moksha,i think

Respected Bhaskar ji would also like to throw some

light on the matter!!!

 

regards

Asheesh

--- Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri

wrote:

 

> Dear Sushil,

>

> This is a question on which an entire Upanishad is

> available - Kathopnishad is in the form of a

> dialogue between Yama, lord of death and Nachiketa.

> The latter puts across a similar question to Yama.

> And with great persuasion, Yama finally explained

> the cycle of life and death to the querent. Many

> other scriptures have also dwelt on the same

> subject.

>

> Now without going into the details, I would try and

> answer as briefly as possible.

>

> To understand this cycle of life and death, it is

> important to understand the cycle of Karma. There

> are four types of Karma.

> 1. Sanchit - These are accumulated karmas through

> all your lives, past and present; in whichever form

> you have taken birth. This is like a bank account

> where all savings, both positive and negative, are

> stored.

> 2. Prarabdha - These are the Karmas whose fruit

> you are getting during this life. They have already

> started and would end with death. These are debited

> from the Sanchit Karmas.

> 3. Kriyaman - These are the Karmas pertaining to

> this life. All actions taken during this life get

> accumulated to the Sanchit Karmas. These are the

> ones you are doing and are balanced with the Sanchit

> Karmas. All Karmas whose fruit would be borne in

> some future life are credited to the Sanchit Karmas.

> Those Karmas whose fruit are borne in this life

> itself are debited. Your free will plays an

> important part in formulation of these Karmas.

> 3. Agami - These Karmas would be fructifying in

> due course of time, maybe in some future life. As a

> result of your thoughts and actions these Karmas

> accumulate and would bear results later on.

>

> Now for Moksha, the sum total of all Karmas must be

> zero. You should not have to pay any one. If all

> karmas can be burnt in this life, moksha would be

> available. However, this is very difficult because

> of the environment and other situations prevailing

> around. There are very few lucky ones who are

> privileged to this position. But this is also

> cyclic. Everyone achieves Moksha - some early and

> some later. What does Moksha imply? In simplest

> words it implies freedom from the cycle of life and

> death, freedom from bondage, liberation, bliss. But

> this freedom is also not permanent. Since the

> freedom began, it must also end at some stage. A

> liberated soul has to assume a physical form (birth)

> again after a period of 311,040,000,000,000 years!

>

> Coming to birth now. It is NOT a routine process. A

> soul assumes a physical form when situations are

> favourable for the soul to redeem its Sanchit

> Karmas. Else it would not take birth. The soul

> enters the body of the parent through the food

> chain. All living beings (humans, animals, birds

> etc) with whom interaction takes place during a

> life, are part of the larger Karmic cycle, which is

> quite complex and not easy to understand. In the

> process of Karma, a term " Rnanubandhan " is

> important. In simple words it implies that you would

> only interact with a living being, only if a IOU of

> Karma exists from either side. If it does not exist

> there is no interaction. This bond exists not only

> with parents, family members, relatives; it exists

> with all living beings with whom you interact in

> daily life. If the Karma balance can be equalised

> with the opposite being, that's a step closer to

> Moksha!!!

>

> I hope there is some clarity now...

>

> Best wishes,

> Amitabh Shastri

>

>

> " sushil.dikshit " <sushil.dikshit wrote:

> Gurujans,

>

> One of my friends told me what is the reason of our

> birth. Whether we

> are born with a particular motive or it is just a

> routine process. Why

> we are born on earth and how we get moksha?

>

> So can anyone enlighten us reason/ motive of our

> birth ?

>

> Can we know the reason by looking into the

> horoscope ?

>

> with regards

> sushil dikshit

 

> Answers - Get better answers from someone

> who knows. Tryit now.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, Amitabh Shastri

<amitabh_shastri wrote:

>

Dear Amitabh,

can you give some hints to see in the chart for moksha?

thanks/regards

harjeet

 

> Dear Sushil,

>

> This is a question on which an entire Upanishad is available -

Kathopnishad is in the form of a dialogue between Yama, lord of death

and Nachiketa. The latter puts across a similar question to Yama. And

with great persuasion, Yama finally explained the cycle of life and

death to the querent. Many other scriptures have also dwelt on the

same subject.

>

> Now without going into the details, I would try and answer as

briefly as possible.

>

> To understand this cycle of life and death, it is important to

understand the cycle of Karma. There are four types of Karma.

> 1. Sanchit - These are accumulated karmas through all your lives,

past and present; in whichever form you have taken birth. This is like

a bank account where all savings, both positive and negative, are stored.

> 2. Prarabdha - These are the Karmas whose fruit you are getting

during this life. They have already started and would end with death.

These are debited from the Sanchit Karmas.

> 3. Kriyaman - These are the Karmas pertaining to this life. All

actions taken during this life get accumulated to the Sanchit Karmas.

These are the ones you are doing and are balanced with the Sanchit

Karmas. All Karmas whose fruit would be borne in some future life are

credited to the Sanchit Karmas. Those Karmas whose fruit are borne in

this life itself are debited. Your free will plays an important part

in formulation of these Karmas.

> 3. Agami - These Karmas would be fructifying in due course of

time, maybe in some future life. As a result of your thoughts and

actions these Karmas accumulate and would bear results later on.

>

> Now for Moksha, the sum total of all Karmas must be zero. You should

not have to pay any one. If all karmas can be burnt in this life,

moksha would be available. However, this is very difficult because of

the environment and other situations prevailing around. There are very

few lucky ones who are privileged to this position. But this is also

cyclic. Everyone achieves Moksha - some early and some later. What

does Moksha imply? In simplest words it implies freedom from the cycle

of life and death, freedom from bondage, liberation, bliss. But this

freedom is also not permanent. Since the freedom began, it must also

end at some stage. A liberated soul has to assume a physical form

(birth) again after a period of 311,040,000,000,000 years!

>

> Coming to birth now. It is NOT a routine process. A soul assumes a

physical form when situations are favourable for the soul to redeem

its Sanchit Karmas. Else it would not take birth. The soul enters the

body of the parent through the food chain. All living beings (humans,

animals, birds etc) with whom interaction takes place during a life,

are part of the larger Karmic cycle, which is quite complex and not

easy to understand. In the process of Karma, a term " Rnanubandhan " is

important. In simple words it implies that you would only interact

with a living being, only if a IOU of Karma exists from either side.

If it does not exist there is no interaction. This bond exists not

only with parents, family members, relatives; it exists with all

living beings with whom you interact in daily life. If the Karma

balance can be equalised with the opposite being, that's a step closer

to Moksha!!!

>

> I hope there is some clarity now...

>

> Best wishes,

> Amitabh Shastri

>

>

> " sushil.dikshit " <sushil.dikshit wrote:

Gurujans,

>

> One of my friends told me what is the reason of our birth. Whether we

> are born with a particular motive or it is just a routine process. Why

> we are born on earth and how we get moksha?

>

> So can anyone enlighten us reason/ motive of our birth ?

>

> Can we know the reason by looking into the horoscope ?

>

> with regards

> sushil dikshit

 

> Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.

>

>

[Guest guest]

why these are comming in my mail , i don`t want to these in future

 

 

 

5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sushil ji,

 

I am assuming that this 'friend' has the credentials that would make

you not to doubt his/her statements on this profound mystery that

many/most hesitate in claiming to know or understand!

 

Be that as it may, it seems that your basic premise indicates that the

horoscope based on the birthtime during this birth, during this life-

plan must somehow encompass, and contain within that moment of birth an

entire history of the soul which is manifesting in this birthtime.

 

Let us say one is doing a four year Bachelor of Science course. Each

year can be taken as a birthtime! A myriad of courses and curricula of

different types and natures are available in most modern universities

these days. Some are essential and the credits must be completed before

one gets a degree. In some universities this also includes a thesis or

written project or co-op project/work experience, etc. Many flavours

exist and are possible.

 

Now, given all of these variations and variabilities, would it be

possible to glean everything about the entire degree based on the

curriculum for any given year or semester (similar to a birthtime and

birthchart)? And that too with a degree of specificity that is being

presumed here? And, even the transcripts and marks obtained during that

given year or semester! Would they really tell about the student's

performance and achievement in that degree course? The degree course

here is being equated to one of the educational journeys of the soul

that is enrolling in this worldly realm -- known to many as the

University of Planet Earth!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

<PS: My apologies for my quaint style and hopefully I am not draining

your precious time, too much!>

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " sushil.dikshit "

<sushil.dikshit wrote:

>

> Gurujans,

>

> One of my friends told me what is the reason of our birth. Whether we

> are born with a particular motive or it is just a routine process. Why

> we are born on earth and how we get moksha?

>

> So can anyone enlighten us reason/ motive of our birth ?

>

> Can we know the reason by looking into the horoscope ?

>

> with regards

> sushil dikshit

>

[Guest guest]

Amitabh ji,

 

Just focusing on one aspect of your email which I quote:

" In the process of Karma, a term " Rnanubandhan " is important. In

simple words it implies that you would only interact with a living

being, only if a IOU of Karma exists from either side. If it does not

exist there is no interaction. "

 

While I do not deny the significance of the concept/belief of

Rinanubandhan, if this were the exclusive basis of human interactions

in any given lifetime, then we would not be meeting any new 'souls'

ever! If that indeed is the case, then we run into the same pithy and

disturbing question similar to the ones that have plagued

philosophers and thinking theologeans for eons, such as:

 

What was the original karma that set it all rolling for the nascent

and pure soul when it experienced its first earthly life(chicken or

the egg, which came first)?

 

and many more in the same vein ...!

 

Surely, there is more to the reality that we all try to understand

and explain, often without direct knowledge (this is when we quote

Rishi Munis and assume that they have had it all figured out, but

even the classics have different opinions!)

 

I am not necessarily asking you a question, but merely thinking

aloud, so please do not feel pressured to somehow explain this cosmic

riddle in one or a series of emails, this cosmic 'guththee' that we

are befuddled with as a human race...

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

W

, Amitabh Shastri

<amitabh_shastri wrote:

>

> Dear Sushil,

>

> This is a question on which an entire Upanishad is available -

Kathopnishad is in the form of a dialogue between Yama, lord of death

and Nachiketa. The latter puts across a similar question to Yama. And

with great persuasion, Yama finally explained the cycle of life and

death to the querent. Many other scriptures have also dwelt on the

same subject.

>

> Now without going into the details, I would try and answer as

briefly as possible.

>

> To understand this cycle of life and death, it is important to

understand the cycle of Karma. There are four types of Karma.

> 1. Sanchit - These are accumulated karmas through all your

lives, past and present; in whichever form you have taken birth. This

is like a bank account where all savings, both positive and negative,

are stored.

> 2. Prarabdha - These are the Karmas whose fruit you are getting

during this life. They have already started and would end with death.

These are debited from the Sanchit Karmas.

> 3. Kriyaman - These are the Karmas pertaining to this life. All

actions taken during this life get accumulated to the Sanchit Karmas.

These are the ones you are doing and are balanced with the Sanchit

Karmas. All Karmas whose fruit would be borne in some future life are

credited to the Sanchit Karmas. Those Karmas whose fruit are borne in

this life itself are debited. Your free will plays an important part

in formulation of these Karmas.

> 3. Agami - These Karmas would be fructifying in due course of

time, maybe in some future life. As a result of your thoughts and

actions these Karmas accumulate and would bear results later on.

>

> Now for Moksha, the sum total of all Karmas must be zero. You

should not have to pay any one. If all karmas can be burnt in this

life, moksha would be available. However, this is very difficult

because of the environment and other situations prevailing around.

There are very few lucky ones who are privileged to this position.

But this is also cyclic. Everyone achieves Moksha - some early and

some later. What does Moksha imply? In simplest words it implies

freedom from the cycle of life and death, freedom from bondage,

liberation, bliss. But this freedom is also not permanent. Since the

freedom began, it must also end at some stage. A liberated soul has

to assume a physical form (birth) again after a period of

311,040,000,000,000 years!

>

> Coming to birth now. It is NOT a routine process. A soul assumes a

physical form when situations are favourable for the soul to redeem

its Sanchit Karmas. Else it would not take birth. The soul enters the

body of the parent through the food chain. All living beings (humans,

animals, birds etc) with whom interaction takes place during a life,

are part of the larger Karmic cycle, which is quite complex and not

easy to understand. In the process of Karma, a term " Rnanubandhan " is

important. In simple words it implies that you would only interact

with a living being, only if a IOU of Karma exists from either side.

If it does not exist there is no interaction. This bond exists not

only with parents, family members, relatives; it exists with all

living beings with whom you interact in daily life. If the Karma

balance can be equalised with the opposite being, that's a step

closer to Moksha!!!

>

> I hope there is some clarity now...

>

> Best wishes,

> Amitabh Shastri

>

>

> " sushil.dikshit " <sushil.dikshit

wrote: Gurujans,

>

> One of my friends told me what is the reason of our birth. Whether

we

> are born with a particular motive or it is just a routine process.

Why

> we are born on earth and how we get moksha?

>

> So can anyone enlighten us reason/ motive of our birth ?

>

> Can we know the reason by looking into the horoscope ?

>

> with regards

> sushil dikshit

 

> Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit

now.

>

>

[Guest guest]

wow, again back with a bang....looks like somebody has

returned after a long hiatus...some color is always

welcome to make the subject more intresting...welcome

back

 

--- Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

> Amitabh ji,

>

> Just focusing on one aspect of your email which I

> quote:

> " In the process of Karma, a term " Rnanubandhan " is

> important. In

> simple words it implies that you would only interact

> with a living

> being, only if a IOU of Karma exists from either

> side. If it does not

> exist there is no interaction. "

>

> While I do not deny the significance of the

> concept/belief of

> Rinanubandhan, if this were the exclusive basis of

> human interactions

> in any given lifetime, then we would not be meeting

> any new 'souls'

> ever! If that indeed is the case, then we run into

> the same pithy and

> disturbing question similar to the ones that have

> plagued

> philosophers and thinking theologeans for eons, such

> as:

>

> What was the original karma that set it all rolling

> for the nascent

> and pure soul when it experienced its first earthly

> life(chicken or

> the egg, which came first)?

>

> and many more in the same vein ...!

>

> Surely, there is more to the reality that we all try

> to understand

> and explain, often without direct knowledge (this is

> when we quote

> Rishi Munis and assume that they have had it all

> figured out, but

> even the classics have different opinions!)

>

> I am not necessarily asking you a question, but

> merely thinking

> aloud, so please do not feel pressured to somehow

> explain this cosmic

> riddle in one or a series of emails, this cosmic

> 'guththee' that we

> are befuddled with as a human race...

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

> W

> , Amitabh

> Shastri

> <amitabh_shastri wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sushil,

> >

> > This is a question on which an entire Upanishad is

> available -

> Kathopnishad is in the form of a dialogue between

> Yama, lord of death

> and Nachiketa. The latter puts across a similar

> question to Yama. And

> with great persuasion, Yama finally explained the

> cycle of life and

> death to the querent. Many other scriptures have

> also dwelt on the

> same subject.

> >

> > Now without going into the details, I would try

> and answer as

> briefly as possible.

> >

> > To understand this cycle of life and death, it is

> important to

> understand the cycle of Karma. There are four types

> of Karma.

> > 1. Sanchit - These are accumulated karmas

> through all your

> lives, past and present; in whichever form you have

> taken birth. This

> is like a bank account where all savings, both

> positive and negative,

> are stored.

> > 2. Prarabdha - These are the Karmas whose fruit

> you are getting

> during this life. They have already started and

> would end with death.

> These are debited from the Sanchit Karmas.

> > 3. Kriyaman - These are the Karmas pertaining

> to this life. All

> actions taken during this life get accumulated to

> the Sanchit Karmas.

> These are the ones you are doing and are balanced

> with the Sanchit

> Karmas. All Karmas whose fruit would be borne in

> some future life are

> credited to the Sanchit Karmas. Those Karmas whose

> fruit are borne in

> this life itself are debited. Your free will plays

> an important part

> in formulation of these Karmas.

> > 3. Agami - These Karmas would be fructifying in

> due course of

> time, maybe in some future life. As a result of your

> thoughts and

> actions these Karmas accumulate and would bear

> results later on.

> >

> > Now for Moksha, the sum total of all Karmas must

> be zero. You

> should not have to pay any one. If all karmas can be

> burnt in this

> life, moksha would be available. However, this is

> very difficult

> because of the environment and other situations

> prevailing around.

> There are very few lucky ones who are privileged to

> this position.

> But this is also cyclic. Everyone achieves Moksha -

> some early and

> some later. What does Moksha imply? In simplest

> words it implies

> freedom from the cycle of life and death, freedom

> from bondage,

> liberation, bliss. But this freedom is also not

> permanent. Since the

> freedom began, it must also end at some stage. A

> liberated soul has

> to assume a physical form (birth) again after a

> period of

> 311,040,000,000,000 years!

> >

> > Coming to birth now. It is NOT a routine process.

> A soul assumes a

> physical form when situations are favourable for the

> soul to redeem

> its Sanchit Karmas. Else it would not take birth.

> The soul enters the

> body of the parent through the food chain. All

> living beings (humans,

> animals, birds etc) with whom interaction takes

> place during a life,

> are part of the larger Karmic cycle, which is quite

> complex and not

> easy to understand. In the process of Karma, a term

> " Rnanubandhan " is

> important. In simple words it implies that you would

> only interact

> with a living being, only if a IOU of Karma exists

> from either side.

> If it does not exist there is no interaction. This

> bond exists not

> only with parents, family members, relatives; it

> exists with all

> living beings with whom you interact in daily life.

> If the Karma

> balance can be equalised with the opposite being,

> that's a step

> closer to Moksha!!!

> >

> > I hope there is some clarity now...

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Amitabh Shastri

> >

> >

> > " sushil.dikshit " <sushil.dikshit

> wrote: Gurujans,

> >

> > One of my friends told me what is the reason of

> our birth. Whether

> we

> > are born with a particular motive or it is just a

> routine process.

> Why

> > we are born on earth and how we get moksha?

> >

> > So can anyone enlighten us reason/ motive of our

> birth ?

> >

> > Can we know the reason by looking into the

> horoscope ?

> >

> > with regards

> > sushil dikshit

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Answers - Get better answers from someone

> who knows. Tryit

> now.

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

=== message truncated ===

[Guest guest]

Good to see you again too, Manoj ji! Good to be back home as always!!

 

RR

 

-

Manoj Sharma

Saturday, September 08, 2007 10:18 PM

Re: Re: Why are are born here - birth and rebirth why ?

 

 

wow, again back with a bang....looks like somebody has

returned after a long hiatus...some color is always

welcome to make the subject more intresting...welcome

back

 

--- Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

> Amitabh ji,

>

> Just focusing on one aspect of your email which I

> quote:

> " In the process of Karma, a term " Rnanubandhan " is

> important. In

> simple words it implies that you would only interact

> with a living

> being, only if a IOU of Karma exists from either

> side. If it does not

> exist there is no interaction. "

>

> While I do not deny the significance of the

> concept/belief of

> Rinanubandhan, if this were the exclusive basis of

> human interactions

> in any given lifetime, then we would not be meeting

> any new 'souls'

> ever! If that indeed is the case, then we run into

> the same pithy and

> disturbing question similar to the ones that have

> plagued

> philosophers and thinking theologeans for eons, such

> as:

>

> What was the original karma that set it all rolling

> for the nascent

> and pure soul when it experienced its first earthly

> life(chicken or

> the egg, which came first)?

>

> and many more in the same vein ...!

>

> Surely, there is more to the reality that we all try

> to understand

> and explain, often without direct knowledge (this is

> when we quote

> Rishi Munis and assume that they have had it all

> figured out, but

> even the classics have different opinions!)

>

> I am not necessarily asking you a question, but

> merely thinking

> aloud, so please do not feel pressured to somehow

> explain this cosmic

> riddle in one or a series of emails, this cosmic

> 'guththee' that we

> are befuddled with as a human race...

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

> W

> , Amitabh

> Shastri

> <amitabh_shastri wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sushil,

> >

> > This is a question on which an entire Upanishad is

> available -

> Kathopnishad is in the form of a dialogue between

> Yama, lord of death

> and Nachiketa. The latter puts across a similar

> question to Yama. And

> with great persuasion, Yama finally explained the

> cycle of life and

> death to the querent. Many other scriptures have

> also dwelt on the

> same subject.

> >

> > Now without going into the details, I would try

> and answer as

> briefly as possible.

> >

> > To understand this cycle of life and death, it is

> important to

> understand the cycle of Karma. There are four types

> of Karma.

> > 1. Sanchit - These are accumulated karmas

> through all your

> lives, past and present; in whichever form you have

> taken birth. This

> is like a bank account where all savings, both

> positive and negative,

> are stored.

> > 2. Prarabdha - These are the Karmas whose fruit

> you are getting

> during this life. They have already started and

> would end with death.

> These are debited from the Sanchit Karmas.

> > 3. Kriyaman - These are the Karmas pertaining

> to this life. All

> actions taken during this life get accumulated to

> the Sanchit Karmas.

> These are the ones you are doing and are balanced

> with the Sanchit

> Karmas. All Karmas whose fruit would be borne in

> some future life are

> credited to the Sanchit Karmas. Those Karmas whose

> fruit are borne in

> this life itself are debited. Your free will plays

> an important part

> in formulation of these Karmas.

> > 3. Agami - These Karmas would be fructifying in

> due course of

> time, maybe in some future life. As a result of your

> thoughts and

> actions these Karmas accumulate and would bear

> results later on.

> >

> > Now for Moksha, the sum total of all Karmas must

> be zero. You

> should not have to pay any one. If all karmas can be

> burnt in this

> life, moksha would be available. However, this is

> very difficult

> because of the environment and other situations

> prevailing around.

> There are very few lucky ones who are privileged to

> this position.

> But this is also cyclic. Everyone achieves Moksha -

> some early and

> some later. What does Moksha imply? In simplest

> words it implies

> freedom from the cycle of life and death, freedom

> from bondage,

> liberation, bliss. But this freedom is also not

> permanent. Since the

> freedom began, it must also end at some stage. A

> liberated soul has

> to assume a physical form (birth) again after a

> period of

> 311,040,000,000,000 years!

> >

> > Coming to birth now. It is NOT a routine process.

> A soul assumes a

> physical form when situations are favourable for the

> soul to redeem

> its Sanchit Karmas. Else it would not take birth.

> The soul enters the

> body of the parent through the food chain. All

> living beings (humans,

> animals, birds etc) with whom interaction takes

> place during a life,

> are part of the larger Karmic cycle, which is quite

> complex and not

> easy to understand. In the process of Karma, a term

> " Rnanubandhan " is

> important. In simple words it implies that you would

> only interact

> with a living being, only if a IOU of Karma exists

> from either side.

> If it does not exist there is no interaction. This

> bond exists not

> only with parents, family members, relatives; it

> exists with all

> living beings with whom you interact in daily life.

> If the Karma

> balance can be equalised with the opposite being,

> that's a step

> closer to Moksha!!!

> >

> > I hope there is some clarity now...

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Amitabh Shastri

> >

> >

> > " sushil.dikshit " <sushil.dikshit

> wrote: Gurujans,

> >

> > One of my friends told me what is the reason of

> our birth. Whether

> we

> > are born with a particular motive or it is just a

> routine process.

> Why

> > we are born on earth and how we get moksha?

> >

> > So can anyone enlighten us reason/ motive of our

> birth ?

> >

> > Can we know the reason by looking into the

> horoscope ?

> >

> > with regards

> > sushil dikshit

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Answers - Get better answers from someone

> who knows. Tryit

> now.

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Harjeet,

 

This subject is very elaborate and cannot be covered here. However, I would

quote one from Jaimini Sutra: - " If the Atmakaraka occupies Meenamsa, the person

will be fond of virtuous deeds and charities, will take residence in Swargadi

Lokas or will attain the final bliss or what is called be the texts as Moksha or

final emancipation or freedom from rebirths. "

 

Surely other factors would also have to support and confirm this.

 

Best wishes,

Amitabh Shastri

 

harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote:

, Amitabh Shastri

<amitabh_shastri wrote:

>

Dear Amitabh,

can you give some hints to see in the chart for moksha?

thanks/regards

harjeet

 

> Dear Sushil,

>

> This is a question on which an entire Upanishad is available -

Kathopnishad is in the form of a dialogue between Yama, lord of death

and Nachiketa. The latter puts across a similar question to Yama. And

with great persuasion, Yama finally explained the cycle of life and

death to the querent. Many other scriptures have also dwelt on the

same subject.

>

> Now without going into the details, I would try and answer as

briefly as possible.

>

> To understand this cycle of life and death, it is important to

understand the cycle of Karma. There are four types of Karma.

> 1. Sanchit - These are accumulated karmas through all your lives,

past and present; in whichever form you have taken birth. This is like

a bank account where all savings, both positive and negative, are stored.

> 2. Prarabdha - These are the Karmas whose fruit you are getting

during this life. They have already started and would end with death.

These are debited from the Sanchit Karmas.

> 3. Kriyaman - These are the Karmas pertaining to this life. All

actions taken during this life get accumulated to the Sanchit Karmas.

These are the ones you are doing and are balanced with the Sanchit

Karmas. All Karmas whose fruit would be borne in some future life are

credited to the Sanchit Karmas. Those Karmas whose fruit are borne in

this life itself are debited. Your free will plays an important part

in formulation of these Karmas.

> 3. Agami - These Karmas would be fructifying in due course of

time, maybe in some future life. As a result of your thoughts and

actions these Karmas accumulate and would bear results later on.

>

> Now for Moksha, the sum total of all Karmas must be zero. You should

not have to pay any one. If all karmas can be burnt in this life,

moksha would be available. However, this is very difficult because of

the environment and other situations prevailing around. There are very

few lucky ones who are privileged to this position. But this is also

cyclic. Everyone achieves Moksha - some early and some later. What

does Moksha imply? In simplest words it implies freedom from the cycle

of life and death, freedom from bondage, liberation, bliss. But this

freedom is also not permanent. Since the freedom began, it must also

end at some stage. A liberated soul has to assume a physical form

(birth) again after a period of 311,040,000,000,000 years!

>

> Coming to birth now. It is NOT a routine process. A soul assumes a

physical form when situations are favourable for the soul to redeem

its Sanchit Karmas. Else it would not take birth. The soul enters the

body of the parent through the food chain. All living beings (humans,

animals, birds etc) with whom interaction takes place during a life,

are part of the larger Karmic cycle, which is quite complex and not

easy to understand. In the process of Karma, a term " Rnanubandhan " is

important. In simple words it implies that you would only interact

with a living being, only if a IOU of Karma exists from either side.

If it does not exist there is no interaction. This bond exists not

only with parents, family members, relatives; it exists with all

living beings with whom you interact in daily life. If the Karma

balance can be equalised with the opposite being, that's a step closer

to Moksha!!!

>

> I hope there is some clarity now...

>

> Best wishes,

> Amitabh Shastri

>

>

> " sushil.dikshit " <sushil.dikshit wrote:

Gurujans,

>

> One of my friends told me what is the reason of our birth. Whether we

> are born with a particular motive or it is just a routine process. Why

> we are born on earth and how we get moksha?

>

> So can anyone enlighten us reason/ motive of our birth ?

>

> Can we know the reason by looking into the horoscope ?

>

> with regards

> sushil dikshit

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Amitabh,

thanks for your reply...

i would check if i qualify .

regards

harjeet

 

, Amitabh Shastri

<amitabh_shastri wrote:

>

> Dear Harjeet,

>

> This subject is very elaborate and cannot be covered here. However,

I would quote one from Jaimini Sutra: - " If the Atmakaraka occupies

Meenamsa, the person will be fond of virtuous deeds and charities,

will take residence in Swargadi Lokas or will attain the final bliss

or what is called be the texts as Moksha or final emancipation or

freedom from rebirths. "

>

> Surely other factors would also have to support and confirm this.

>

> Best wishes,

> Amitabh Shastri

>

> harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote:

, Amitabh Shastri

> <amitabh_shastri@> wrote:

> >

> Dear Amitabh,

> can you give some hints to see in the chart for moksha?

> thanks/regards

> harjeet

>

> > Dear Sushil,

> >

> > This is a question on which an entire Upanishad is available -

> Kathopnishad is in the form of a dialogue between Yama, lord of death

> and Nachiketa. The latter puts across a similar question to Yama. And

> with great persuasion, Yama finally explained the cycle of life and

> death to the querent. Many other scriptures have also dwelt on the

> same subject.

> >

> > Now without going into the details, I would try and answer as

> briefly as possible.

> >

> > To understand this cycle of life and death, it is important to

> understand the cycle of Karma. There are four types of Karma.

> > 1. Sanchit - These are accumulated karmas through all your lives,

> past and present; in whichever form you have taken birth. This is like

> a bank account where all savings, both positive and negative, are

stored.

> > 2. Prarabdha - These are the Karmas whose fruit you are getting

> during this life. They have already started and would end with death.

> These are debited from the Sanchit Karmas.

> > 3. Kriyaman - These are the Karmas pertaining to this life. All

> actions taken during this life get accumulated to the Sanchit Karmas.

> These are the ones you are doing and are balanced with the Sanchit

> Karmas. All Karmas whose fruit would be borne in some future life are

> credited to the Sanchit Karmas. Those Karmas whose fruit are borne in

> this life itself are debited. Your free will plays an important part

> in formulation of these Karmas.

> > 3. Agami - These Karmas would be fructifying in due course of

> time, maybe in some future life. As a result of your thoughts and

> actions these Karmas accumulate and would bear results later on.

> >

> > Now for Moksha, the sum total of all Karmas must be zero. You should

> not have to pay any one. If all karmas can be burnt in this life,

> moksha would be available. However, this is very difficult because of

> the environment and other situations prevailing around. There are very

> few lucky ones who are privileged to this position. But this is also

> cyclic. Everyone achieves Moksha - some early and some later. What

> does Moksha imply? In simplest words it implies freedom from the cycle

> of life and death, freedom from bondage, liberation, bliss. But this

> freedom is also not permanent. Since the freedom began, it must also

> end at some stage. A liberated soul has to assume a physical form

> (birth) again after a period of 311,040,000,000,000 years!

> >

> > Coming to birth now. It is NOT a routine process. A soul assumes a

> physical form when situations are favourable for the soul to redeem

> its Sanchit Karmas. Else it would not take birth. The soul enters the

> body of the parent through the food chain. All living beings (humans,

> animals, birds etc) with whom interaction takes place during a life,

> are part of the larger Karmic cycle, which is quite complex and not

> easy to understand. In the process of Karma, a term " Rnanubandhan " is

> important. In simple words it implies that you would only interact

> with a living being, only if a IOU of Karma exists from either side.

> If it does not exist there is no interaction. This bond exists not

> only with parents, family members, relatives; it exists with all

> living beings with whom you interact in daily life. If the Karma

> balance can be equalised with the opposite being, that's a step closer

> to Moksha!!!

> >

> > I hope there is some clarity now...

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Amitabh Shastri

> >

> >

> > " sushil.dikshit " <sushil.dikshit@> wrote:

> Gurujans,

> >

> > One of my friends told me what is the reason of our birth.

Whether we

> > are born with a particular motive or it is just a routine

process. Why

> > we are born on earth and how we get moksha?

> >

> > So can anyone enlighten us reason/ motive of our birth ?

> >

> > Can we know the reason by looking into the horoscope ?

> >

> > with regards

> > sushil dikshit

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows.

Tryit now.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear RRji,

 

It was really nice to hear from you after such a long time. Surely, your comment

sent me into some soul searching!

 

It has been stated that birth does take place when circumstances are favourable

to eradicate part of the Karma account. This itself would imply that one does

not have to meet " new souls " . All meetings are destined!

 

But, your statement is also very valid and does have a lot of weight.

 

If we draw an analogy with walking through a crowded fair where there are

thousands of people, one crosses many of them without paying any attention to

others. Occasionally, one may bounce into someone. Then the option exists to

either apologise and moving ahead or getting into a heated argument. One may not

have met that opposite throughout his life but a deep astrological analysis

would reveal that such an event was bound to happen. Again, then the " new soul "

theory appears to be repudiated.

 

On the other hand, there is not denying that Karma account continuously

undergoes a change with both active and inactive Karma. Karma, mostly is the

outcome of desire. Is desire bad because that creates additional Karma? Then we

have to dwell deeper into the aspects of creation. The unmanifested forms are

stated to be Brahman (ever expanding consciousness), mahat (supreme

intelligence), ahamkar (identity of the Supreme in gross, subtle and causal

forms) and tanmatras (essence of manifested creation - nature or quality of

elements). If we look into the basis of creation, the so called principles of

Shakti and Shakta or Purush and Prakriti (there are many names), God is stated

to have said, " aham bahusyam (let me be many). " Unless a desire existed this

would not have been expressed. To my understanding this itself was probably the

first karma, though in unmanifested state!

 

The manifested form evolves from the " tanmatras " being the five basic elements,

namely akash (ether), vayu (air), agni (fire), apas (water) and prithvi (earth).

Fire, water and earth control together control the 24 organs, part of which are

the organs of knowledge, sense and action. All this interaction leads to

expression. Since the manifested state is an output of the 'unmanifest', all

appears to be the result of a complex cycle resulting in a chain of events, one

leading to another.

 

However, the beauty of the philosophy mentioned in the classics leaves

everything to personal experience and accordingly decide the best course to be

adopted by an individual - Kriyaman Karma within the larger orb of Prarabhda

Karma. The result is the Sanchit Karma whose outcome again is decided

" karmically " .

 

If freedom of action does exist then one would indeed be meeting " new souls " .

This has often been compared with a cow tied to a hook in an open field where it

can move freely as much as allowed by the length of the rope.

 

Look at it from another angle. If " new souls " are met, then it may not be

possible to burn all Karma; continuously new Karma would be generated and added

to the Sanchit Karma. The only possibility for cleansing would be by the Creator

Himself! This again brings forth the discussion of birth, rebirths and end of

all desires!

 

I apologise for the lengthy elaboration. This has been only some loud thinking,

some may appear to be disassociated. But the debate has always been open and

endless...would request you also to mention your views.

 

Best wishes,

Amitabh Shastri

 

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

Amitabh ji,

 

Just focusing on one aspect of your email which I quote:

" In the process of Karma, a term " Rnanubandhan " is important. In

simple words it implies that you would only interact with a living

being, only if a IOU of Karma exists from either side. If it does not

exist there is no interaction. "

 

While I do not deny the significance of the concept/belief of

Rinanubandhan, if this were the exclusive basis of human interactions

in any given lifetime, then we would not be meeting any new 'souls'

ever! If that indeed is the case, then we run into the same pithy and

disturbing question similar to the ones that have plagued

philosophers and thinking theologeans for eons, such as:

 

What was the original karma that set it all rolling for the nascent

and pure soul when it experienced its first earthly life(chicken or

the egg, which came first)?

 

and many more in the same vein ...!

 

Surely, there is more to the reality that we all try to understand

and explain, often without direct knowledge (this is when we quote

Rishi Munis and assume that they have had it all figured out, but

even the classics have different opinions!)

 

I am not necessarily asking you a question, but merely thinking

aloud, so please do not feel pressured to somehow explain this cosmic

riddle in one or a series of emails, this cosmic 'guththee' that we

are befuddled with as a human race...

 

Rohiniranjan

 

W

, Amitabh Shastri

<amitabh_shastri wrote:

>

> Dear Sushil,

>

> This is a question on which an entire Upanishad is available -

Kathopnishad is in the form of a dialogue between Yama, lord of death

and Nachiketa. The latter puts across a similar question to Yama. And

with great persuasion, Yama finally explained the cycle of life and

death to the querent. Many other scriptures have also dwelt on the

same subject.

>

> Now without going into the details, I would try and answer as

briefly as possible.

>

> To understand this cycle of life and death, it is important to

understand the cycle of Karma. There are four types of Karma.

> 1. Sanchit - These are accumulated karmas through all your

lives, past and present; in whichever form you have taken birth. This

is like a bank account where all savings, both positive and negative,

are stored.

> 2. Prarabdha - These are the Karmas whose fruit you are getting

during this life. They have already started and would end with death.

These are debited from the Sanchit Karmas.

> 3. Kriyaman - These are the Karmas pertaining to this life. All

actions taken during this life get accumulated to the Sanchit Karmas.

These are the ones you are doing and are balanced with the Sanchit

Karmas. All Karmas whose fruit would be borne in some future life are

credited to the Sanchit Karmas. Those Karmas whose fruit are borne in

this life itself are debited. Your free will plays an important part

in formulation of these Karmas.

> 3. Agami - These Karmas would be fructifying in due course of

time, maybe in some future life. As a result of your thoughts and

actions these Karmas accumulate and would bear results later on.

>

> Now for Moksha, the sum total of all Karmas must be zero. You

should not have to pay any one. If all karmas can be burnt in this

life, moksha would be available. However, this is very difficult

because of the environment and other situations prevailing around.

There are very few lucky ones who are privileged to this position.

But this is also cyclic. Everyone achieves Moksha - some early and

some later. What does Moksha imply? In simplest words it implies

freedom from the cycle of life and death, freedom from bondage,

liberation, bliss. But this freedom is also not permanent. Since the

freedom began, it must also end at some stage. A liberated soul has

to assume a physical form (birth) again after a period of

311,040,000,000,000 years!

>

> Coming to birth now. It is NOT a routine process. A soul assumes a

physical form when situations are favourable for the soul to redeem

its Sanchit Karmas. Else it would not take birth. The soul enters the

body of the parent through the food chain. All living beings (humans,

animals, birds etc) with whom interaction takes place during a life,

are part of the larger Karmic cycle, which is quite complex and not

easy to understand. In the process of Karma, a term " Rnanubandhan " is

important. In simple words it implies that you would only interact

with a living being, only if a IOU of Karma exists from either side.

If it does not exist there is no interaction. This bond exists not

only with parents, family members, relatives; it exists with all

living beings with whom you interact in daily life. If the Karma

balance can be equalised with the opposite being, that's a step

closer to Moksha!!!

>

> I hope there is some clarity now...

>

> Best wishes,

> Amitabh Shastri

>

>

> " sushil.dikshit " <sushil.dikshit

wrote: Gurujans,

>

> One of my friends told me what is the reason of our birth. Whether

we

> are born with a particular motive or it is just a routine process.

Why

> we are born on earth and how we get moksha?

>

> So can anyone enlighten us reason/ motive of our birth ?

>

> Can we know the reason by looking into the horoscope ?

>

> with regards

> sushil dikshit

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit

now.

>

>