Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Dear Bhaskar, Thanks for taking the time to read, think about and respond to my last posting! It was truly appreciated coming from you. I will respond to just one very important <to me> section in your posting that caught my attention at this time, if I may... == If I understood his life and his chart to whatever little extent I did, Gandhiji, did not fight against the British as a people! He opposed what in that situation the British were *doing*! He opposed their actions, their decisions and he would have done the same if they were Chinese and not British or Zamindars or other high class Indian elite who were equally heinous, whether they be those who were creating or promoting caste discriminations for personal benefits or power, or those who were creating other socioeconomical class discriminations! Some *Indians* feel that Gandhiji lived and gave up his life for nothing! I STRONGLY disagree! Rohiniranjan , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > <snip...> > even like Gandhiji who fought a war with the > British, but his mode of expression of anger > was a non-violent one, though the anger was > very much present. > snip ...> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Sir, Correct . He would have done this for anybody. A person who before his last breath can utter the name " Ram " cannot have lived and given up his life for vain. Such people are born once in a 1000 centuries. Again those who disagree with Gandhiji are not those who disagree with his persona, but only disagree with his hand in the Partition. I do not think that any good man could disagree with a Great personality like Gandhiji as a person. I love, respect, and hold Gandhiji in high esteem.At the same time I too disagree on the point of partition if he had the power to prevent it and yet gave the Nod. But as I always believe in, when one does not know the whole story, so one cannot comment on anybody.I too do not know the entire story, and his role in full, and what were the circumstances, dialouges, compulsions, duties etc. at that point of time for him, so I am nobody to comment or form opinions. For the other facets of his personality, I would always favour him any day. regards, Bhaskar. , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Thanks for taking the time to read, think about and respond to my > last posting! It was truly appreciated coming from you. > > I will respond to just one very important <to me> section in your > posting that caught my attention at this time, if I may... > > == If I understood his life and his chart to whatever little extent I > did, Gandhiji, did not fight against the British as a people! He > opposed what in that situation the British were *doing*! He opposed > their actions, their decisions and he would have done the same if > they were Chinese and not British or Zamindars or other high class > Indian elite who were equally heinous, whether they be those who were > creating or promoting caste discriminations for personal benefits or > power, or those who were creating other socioeconomical class > discriminations! > > Some *Indians* feel that Gandhiji lived and gave up his life for > nothing! > > I STRONGLY disagree! > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > <snip...> > > > even like Gandhiji who fought a war with the > > British, but his mode of expression of anger > > was a non-violent one, though the anger was > > very much present. > > snip ...> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Hi Friends, I was just going through your discussion and would just want to say this: If Gandhiji in anyhow was responsible of partition than it was for good - Just imagine Unified India without Partition - states like North-West Frontier Province, Punjab(Paki), Sind, Balochistan, Dhaka, Chittangong, Khulna, Rajshahi, Sylhet, Barisal. I Respect Gandhiji very much for what he did and did'nt. rgds, Akash , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > > Correct . > He would have done this for anybody. > A person who before his last breath can > utter the name " Ram " cannot have lived > and given up his life for vain. > Such people are born once in a 1000 > centuries. > > Again those who disagree > with Gandhiji are not those who disagree > with his persona, but only disagree with > his hand in the Partition. I do not think > that any good man could disagree with > a Great personality like Gandhiji as a > person. > > I love, respect, and hold Gandhiji in > high esteem.At the same time I too disagree > on the point of partition if he had the power > to prevent it and yet gave the Nod. But as > I always believe in, when one does not > know the whole story, so one cannot comment > on anybody.I too do not know the entire > story, and his role in full, and what were > the circumstances, dialouges, compulsions, > duties etc. at that point of time for him, > so I am nobody to comment or form opinions. > > For the other facets of his personality, > I would always favour him any day. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > Thanks for taking the time to read, think about and respond to my > > last posting! It was truly appreciated coming from you. > > > > I will respond to just one very important <to me> section in your > > posting that caught my attention at this time, if I may... > > > > == If I understood his life and his chart to whatever little > extent I > > did, Gandhiji, did not fight against the British as a people! He > > opposed what in that situation the British were *doing*! He > opposed > > their actions, their decisions and he would have done the same if > > they were Chinese and not British or Zamindars or other high class > > Indian elite who were equally heinous, whether they be those who > were > > creating or promoting caste discriminations for personal benefits > or > > power, or those who were creating other socioeconomical class > > discriminations! > > > > Some *Indians* feel that Gandhiji lived and gave up his life for > > nothing! > > > > I STRONGLY disagree! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > <snip...> > > > > > even like Gandhiji who fought a war with the > > > British, but his mode of expression of anger > > > was a non-violent one, though the anger was > > > very much present. > > > snip ...> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Dear Joseph, While respecting your views, those who have suffered from the partitions know better. My own Grandfather had to leave his properties and well set business in Pakistan and come here with paltry belongings and start all over again at time of partition. I know a lady who is still living at age of 80 whose husband a big shot in Lahore, had to run back to india, and he never made it economically ever after. The man was a prince, and he lived poverty stricken all his life, after coming to the partitioned India, his wife tormented him and tortured him continously whole his Life for leaving all property in Pakistan, and he died a ghastly death in pain and unhappiness and sadness. His family has been shattered completely in Calcutta,with one son running away from the house due to poverty in the house and the other also got establisehd after age of 50. We living in Bombay know better, we are hit by outsiders as well as insiders through Bomb blasts. That is the remnants of partition. We staying in India, even today get scared to go to so many areas all over the country and not just Kashmir. Why ? If it had to be done, it should have been done clearly. We already had one more partition after the 1947 one, and now heading for another 2 . Why ? because the definition of partition was not adhered to in full. This is a touchy subject and do not wish to elaborate as it might offend some readers. I am sorry, but Literary prescriptions make a different note, while suffering is playing a painful ball game altogether. Those who have suffered can never see the partition as right. Now the same mix is there in the country again, prior to partition and the same circumstances persist,but with deadlier and dangerous consequences. I think this subject is better to be closed as it touches raw wounds to many. regards, Bhaskar. , " A Joseph " <akash_joseph wrote: > > Hi Friends, > > I was just going through your discussion and would just want to say > this: If Gandhiji in anyhow was responsible of partition than it was > for good - Just imagine Unified India without Partition - states > like North-West Frontier Province, Punjab(Paki), Sind, Balochistan, > Dhaka, Chittangong, Khulna, Rajshahi, Sylhet, Barisal. > > I Respect Gandhiji very much for what he did and did'nt. > > rgds, > Akash > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > Correct . > > He would have done this for anybody. > > A person who before his last breath can > > utter the name " Ram " cannot have lived > > and given up his life for vain. > > Such people are born once in a 1000 > > centuries. > > > > Again those who disagree > > with Gandhiji are not those who disagree > > with his persona, but only disagree with > > his hand in the Partition. I do not think > > that any good man could disagree with > > a Great personality like Gandhiji as a > > person. > > > > I love, respect, and hold Gandhiji in > > high esteem.At the same time I too disagree > > on the point of partition if he had the power > > to prevent it and yet gave the Nod. But as > > I always believe in, when one does not > > know the whole story, so one cannot comment > > on anybody.I too do not know the entire > > story, and his role in full, and what were > > the circumstances, dialouges, compulsions, > > duties etc. at that point of time for him, > > so I am nobody to comment or form opinions. > > > > For the other facets of his personality, > > I would always favour him any day. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > Thanks for taking the time to read, think about and respond to > my > > > last posting! It was truly appreciated coming from you. > > > > > > I will respond to just one very important <to me> section in > your > > > posting that caught my attention at this time, if I may... > > > > > > == If I understood his life and his chart to whatever little > > extent I > > > did, Gandhiji, did not fight against the British as a people! He > > > opposed what in that situation the British were *doing*! He > > opposed > > > their actions, their decisions and he would have done the same > if > > > they were Chinese and not British or Zamindars or other high > class > > > Indian elite who were equally heinous, whether they be those who > > were > > > creating or promoting caste discriminations for personal > benefits > > or > > > power, or those who were creating other socioeconomical class > > > discriminations! > > > > > > Some *Indians* feel that Gandhiji lived and gave up his life for > > > nothing! > > > > > > I STRONGLY disagree! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > <snip...> > > > > > > > even like Gandhiji who fought a war with the > > > > British, but his mode of expression of anger > > > > was a non-violent one, though the anger was > > > > very much present. > > > > snip ...> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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