Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Respected Sirs, Could please elaborate Kalasarpayoga? Thanks and regards, Hari Kumar panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends many people wonder as to why king rama suffered various hardships like fourteen years of secluded life in jungles (equivalent to life imprisonment under present Indian law) and separation from wife and children etc. several astrologers tried to cast king rama's chart based on the descriptions given in valmiki Ramayana and find out astrological reasons for his troubles but astrologically his chart is the best one could imagine. The only reason for the sufferings of king rama or lord rama in human form (a reincarnation of lord Vishnu) is due to the curse received by lord Vishnu from pativratas (chaste women) for outraging their modesties by deceit. once upon a time brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king of devatas) visited kailasha to meet lord shiva and to test them, shiva appeared in the form of a digambara and not realizing it, indra tries to kill him with his thunderbolt due to which lord shiva gets furiated and releases fire from his third eye. realizing the anger of lord shiva, jupiter makes indra fall at the feet of shiva and prays to lord shiva to shower mercy and spare indra after which lord shiva lets the fire released from his third eye thrown into the salt ocean (lavanambodhi) and this fire that has fallen into this ocean takes the form of a boy called jalandhara. since jupiter helped indra get his life back, lord shiva grants the name of jeeva (enlivener) to jupiter. later realizing the strength of jalandhara, brahma blesses him to become the emperor of asuras and asks sukra (venus) to coronate and later performs jalandhara's marriage with vrinda, the daughter of kalanemi. seeing the headless rahu, jalandhara finds out the reason for rahu's headlessness and decides to fight with vishnu. in the battle, sukra used to bring back the dead asuras to life with his mritasanjivini vidya and jupiter used to bring back the dead devatas to life with rarest herbs found only in drona mountain. knowing this, jalandhara uproots the drona mountain and throws into the ocean. (drona mountain is now in the almora district of kumaon). jalandhara fights battle with vishnu and make vishnu and his family live in jalandhara's house and conquers all the three worlds. vishnu could not win the battle since jalandhara is born out of lord shiva. then sage narada hatches a plot and tells jalandhara to go and get parvati who is the most beautiful woman in the world. narada also tells that once even brahma fell to the beauty of parvati but was cursed by siva which was a different story. then jalandhara goes to manasasarovar and find parvati who gets vanished after spotted by jalandhara and asks Vishnu to outrage the modesty of jalandhara's wife saying that as long as his wife is chaste, due to her power, jalandha cannot be killed even by shiva. jalandhara becomes busy in kailasa to get paravati and fight lord shiva. vishnu cast (maya) a bad dream for vrinda, the wife of jalandhara after which vrinda goes into the forest and find two monsters fleeing from which she approaches a brahmin who kills these monsters with a mere sound. then vrinda asks this brahmin to let her know the status of jalandhara who had gone to fight shiva and this brahmin lets two monkeys bring the deadbody of jalandhar in front. vrinda falls at the feet of this brahmin and prays to him to bring back jalandhara to life and lo, jalandhara (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and embraces vrinda and have sex only after which she realizes that it was vishnu and not jalandhara and curses vishnu to take a human shape and then his wife would be distracted by two rakshasas, the same two monsters who made vrinda to approach this deceitful brahmin. like this brahmin, a demon in disguise as a brahmin approaches your wife and abducts her. like me, you would also search for your wife in jungles. since you used monkeys to bring a false deadbody of my husband, you would not find your wife without taking the help of real monkeys. after giving these curses, the chaste vrinda enters into a fire and attains salvation. from the above, it is clear that vishnu took a human shape only due to the curse of vrinda and his search in jungles, deceit by the rakshasas, his wife taken away by another person, taking the help of monkeys is all due to the curse of vrinda, a pativrata. these stories also highlight the power of a chaste woman by signifying that even if the husband of a chaste woman is bad, he would become invincible due to the power of his wife. since these stories find mention in various puranas, astrologers who prepared the chart of rama based on the details given in valmiki ramayana, may find out how these curses are reflected in his chart. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. 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Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 *hare rama krsna* Dear Hari Kumar , Namaskar silvermanka Natal Chart November 4, 1986 Time: 21:04:12 Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT) Place: 19 E 55' 00 " , 50 N 05' 00 " Here is an example. All grahas must be between rahu and ketu, and rahu is one the front (counting clockwise). If ketu is on the front, then its kalamrta yoga. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal SkypeID: jyotraff1 Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.com Hari Kumar napisa?(a): > > Respected Sirs, > > Could please elaborate Kalasarpayoga? > > Thanks and regards, > > Hari Kumar > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > <panditarjun2004%40>> wrote: > dear friends > > many people wonder as to why king rama suffered various hardships > like fourteen years of secluded life in jungles (equivalent to life > imprisonment under present Indian law) and separation from wife and > children etc. several astrologers tried to cast king rama's chart > based on the descriptions given in valmiki Ramayana and find out > astrological reasons for his troubles but astrologically his chart is > the best one could imagine. > > The only reason for the sufferings of king rama or lord rama in human > form (a reincarnation of lord Vishnu) is due to the curse received by > lord Vishnu from pativratas (chaste women) for outraging their > modesties by deceit. > > once upon a time brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king of devatas) > visited kailasha to meet lord shiva and to test them, shiva appeared > in the form of a digambara and not realizing it, indra tries to kill > him with his thunderbolt due to which lord shiva gets furiated and > releases fire from his third eye. realizing the anger of lord shiva, > jupiter makes indra fall at the feet of shiva and prays to lord shiva > to shower mercy and spare indra after which lord shiva lets the fire > released from his third eye thrown into the salt ocean (lavanambodhi) > and this fire that has fallen into this ocean takes the form of a boy > called jalandhara. since jupiter helped indra get his life back, > lord shiva grants the name of jeeva (enlivener) to jupiter. later > realizing the strength of jalandhara, brahma blesses him to become > the emperor of asuras and asks sukra (venus) to coronate and later > performs jalandhara's marriage with vrinda, the daughter of > kalanemi. seeing the headless rahu, jalandhara finds out the reason > for rahu's headlessness and decides to fight with vishnu. in the > battle, sukra used to bring back the dead asuras to life with his > mritasanjivini vidya and jupiter used to bring back the dead devatas > to life with rarest herbs found only in drona mountain. knowing > this, jalandhara uproots the drona mountain and throws into the > ocean. (drona mountain is now in the almora district of kumaon). > > jalandhara fights battle with vishnu and make vishnu and his family > live in jalandhara's house and conquers all the three worlds. vishnu > could not win the battle since jalandhara is born out of lord shiva. > then sage narada hatches a plot and tells jalandhara to go and get > parvati who is the most beautiful woman in the world. narada also > tells that once even brahma fell to the beauty of parvati but was > cursed by siva which was a different story. then jalandhara goes to > manasasarovar and find parvati who gets vanished after spotted by > jalandhara and asks Vishnu to outrage the modesty of jalandhara's > wife saying that as long as his wife is chaste, due to her power, > jalandha cannot be killed even by shiva. jalandhara becomes busy in > kailasa to get paravati and fight lord shiva. > > vishnu cast (maya) a bad dream for vrinda, the wife of jalandhara > after which vrinda goes into the forest and find two monsters fleeing > from which she approaches a brahmin who kills these monsters with a > mere sound. then vrinda asks this brahmin to let her know the status > of jalandhara who had gone to fight shiva and this brahmin lets two > monkeys bring the deadbody of jalandhar in front. vrinda falls at > the feet of this brahmin and prays to him to bring back jalandhara to > life and lo, jalandhara (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and embraces > vrinda and have sex only after which she realizes that it was vishnu > and not jalandhara and curses vishnu to take a human shape and then > his wife would be distracted by two rakshasas, the same two monsters > who made vrinda to approach this deceitful brahmin. like this > brahmin, a demon in disguise as a brahmin approaches your wife and > abducts her. like me, you would also search for your wife in > jungles. since you used monkeys to bring a false deadbody of my > husband, you would not find your wife without taking the help of real > monkeys. after giving these curses, the chaste vrinda enters into a > fire and attains salvation. > > from the above, it is clear that vishnu took a human shape only due > to the curse of vrinda and his search in jungles, deceit by the > rakshasas, his wife taken away by another person, taking the help of > monkeys is all due to the curse of vrinda, a pativrata. these > stories also highlight the power of a chaste woman by signifying that > even if the husband of a chaste woman is bad, he would become > invincible due to the power of his wife. > > since these stories find mention in various puranas, astrologers who > prepared the chart of rama based on the details given in valmiki > ramayana, may find out how these curses are reflected in his chart. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. 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Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 dear friend vedic astrology has mixed roots of hindu mythology and astronomy. rahu and ketu are the split up two portions of one demon who deceitfuly drank amrut (holy nectar) and hence got the status of planets and not real physical planets as such. for description they are like a snake with both forming the head and tail respectively. whenever a horoscope has all the seven planets (sun, moon, mars, mercury, jupiter, venus and saturn) hemmed between rahu and ketu this way or that way it is called a half blind chart. since all the planets are one side of the serpent, mythologically the serpent can negatively influence all the seven planets thereby precluding the good planets from giving their good results and causes delays and frustrations in the natives. in a half blind chart, if someone says that a snake can turn only one side and not the other side, it is his own inference. to get rid of this half blind chart which is also called kalasarpa dosham or kalasarpa yoga, i recommend worshipping planet sun and strengthen the sun for which wearing the 12mukh rudraksha is the best remedy. those who cannot afford buying this remedy can recite gayatri mantra, aditya hridayam, give arghyam to lord sun daily and also worship and recite mantras for lord shiva. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , Hari Kumar <hariprabhaa wrote: > > Respected Sirs, > > Could please elaborate Kalasarpayoga? > > Thanks and regards, > > Hari Kumar > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear friends > > many people wonder as to why king rama suffered various hardships > like fourteen years of secluded life in jungles (equivalent to life > imprisonment under present Indian law) and separation from wife and > children etc. several astrologers tried to cast king rama's chart > based on the descriptions given in valmiki Ramayana and find out > astrological reasons for his troubles but astrologically his chart is > the best one could imagine. > > The only reason for the sufferings of king rama or lord rama in human > form (a reincarnation of lord Vishnu) is due to the curse received by > lord Vishnu from pativratas (chaste women) for outraging their > modesties by deceit. > > once upon a time brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king of devatas) > visited kailasha to meet lord shiva and to test them, shiva appeared > in the form of a digambara and not realizing it, indra tries to kill > him with his thunderbolt due to which lord shiva gets furiated and > releases fire from his third eye. realizing the anger of lord shiva, > jupiter makes indra fall at the feet of shiva and prays to lord shiva > to shower mercy and spare indra after which lord shiva lets the fire > released from his third eye thrown into the salt ocean (lavanambodhi) > and this fire that has fallen into this ocean takes the form of a boy > called jalandhara. since jupiter helped indra get his life back, > lord shiva grants the name of jeeva (enlivener) to jupiter. later > realizing the strength of jalandhara, brahma blesses him to become > the emperor of asuras and asks sukra (venus) to coronate and later > performs jalandhara's marriage with vrinda, the daughter of > kalanemi. seeing the headless rahu, jalandhara finds out the reason > for rahu's headlessness and decides to fight with vishnu. in the > battle, sukra used to bring back the dead asuras to life with his > mritasanjivini vidya and jupiter used to bring back the dead devatas > to life with rarest herbs found only in drona mountain. knowing > this, jalandhara uproots the drona mountain and throws into the > ocean. (drona mountain is now in the almora district of kumaon). > > jalandhara fights battle with vishnu and make vishnu and his family > live in jalandhara's house and conquers all the three worlds. vishnu > could not win the battle since jalandhara is born out of lord shiva. > then sage narada hatches a plot and tells jalandhara to go and get > parvati who is the most beautiful woman in the world. narada also > tells that once even brahma fell to the beauty of parvati but was > cursed by siva which was a different story. then jalandhara goes to > manasasarovar and find parvati who gets vanished after spotted by > jalandhara and asks Vishnu to outrage the modesty of jalandhara's > wife saying that as long as his wife is chaste, due to her power, > jalandha cannot be killed even by shiva. jalandhara becomes busy in > kailasa to get paravati and fight lord shiva. > > vishnu cast (maya) a bad dream for vrinda, the wife of jalandhara > after which vrinda goes into the forest and find two monsters fleeing > from which she approaches a brahmin who kills these monsters with a > mere sound. then vrinda asks this brahmin to let her know the status > of jalandhara who had gone to fight shiva and this brahmin lets two > monkeys bring the deadbody of jalandhar in front. vrinda falls at > the feet of this brahmin and prays to him to bring back jalandhara to > life and lo, jalandhara (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and embraces > vrinda and have sex only after which she realizes that it was vishnu > and not jalandhara and curses vishnu to take a human shape and then > his wife would be distracted by two rakshasas, the same two monsters > who made vrinda to approach this deceitful brahmin. like this > brahmin, a demon in disguise as a brahmin approaches your wife and > abducts her. like me, you would also search for your wife in > jungles. since you used monkeys to bring a false deadbody of my > husband, you would not find your wife without taking the help of real > monkeys. after giving these curses, the chaste vrinda enters into a > fire and attains salvation. > > from the above, it is clear that vishnu took a human shape only due > to the curse of vrinda and his search in jungles, deceit by the > rakshasas, his wife taken away by another person, taking the help of > monkeys is all due to the curse of vrinda, a pativrata. these > stories also highlight the power of a chaste woman by signifying that > even if the husband of a chaste woman is bad, he would become > invincible due to the power of his wife. > > since these stories find mention in various puranas, astrologers who > prepared the chart of rama based on the details given in valmiki > ramayana, may find out how these curses are reflected in his chart. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. 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Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 And the moon, if I may have a word here on this thread! KSY (rahu in its retrograde motion eating all the planets; Particularly the parents the luminaries) will manifest through a major challenge for the parents of such a nativity. The sad observation in many cases is that the KSY nativities realize the problem when they become parents and sometimes, even not then! That seems to have been the consistent observation and several others too... Rohiniranjan , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friend > > vedic astrology has mixed roots of hindu mythology and astronomy. > rahu and ketu are the split up two portions of one demon who > deceitfuly drank amrut (holy nectar) and hence got the status of > planets and not real physical planets as such. for description they > are like a snake with both forming the head and tail respectively. > > whenever a horoscope has all the seven planets (sun, moon, mars, > mercury, jupiter, venus and saturn) hemmed between rahu and ketu this > way or that way it is called a half blind chart. since all the > planets are one side of the serpent, mythologically the serpent can > negatively influence all the seven planets thereby precluding the > good planets from giving their good results and causes delays and > frustrations in the natives. in a half blind chart, if someone says > that a snake can turn only one side and not the other side, it is his > own inference. > > to get rid of this half blind chart which is also called kalasarpa > dosham or kalasarpa yoga, i recommend worshipping planet sun and > strengthen the sun for which wearing the 12mukh rudraksha is the best > remedy. those who cannot afford buying this remedy can recite > gayatri mantra, aditya hridayam, give arghyam to lord sun daily and > also worship and recite mantras for lord shiva. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , Hari Kumar <hariprabhaa@> > wrote: > > > > Respected Sirs, > > > > Could please elaborate Kalasarpayoga? > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > Hari Kumar > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > dear friends > > > > many people wonder as to why king rama suffered various hardships > > like fourteen years of secluded life in jungles (equivalent to life > > imprisonment under present Indian law) and separation from wife and > > children etc. several astrologers tried to cast king rama's chart > > based on the descriptions given in valmiki Ramayana and find out > > astrological reasons for his troubles but astrologically his chart > is > > the best one could imagine. > > > > The only reason for the sufferings of king rama or lord rama in > human > > form (a reincarnation of lord Vishnu) is due to the curse received > by > > lord Vishnu from pativratas (chaste women) for outraging their > > modesties by deceit. > > > > once upon a time brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king of devatas) > > visited kailasha to meet lord shiva and to test them, shiva > appeared > > in the form of a digambara and not realizing it, indra tries to > kill > > him with his thunderbolt due to which lord shiva gets furiated and > > releases fire from his third eye. realizing the anger of lord > shiva, > > jupiter makes indra fall at the feet of shiva and prays to lord > shiva > > to shower mercy and spare indra after which lord shiva lets the > fire > > released from his third eye thrown into the salt ocean > (lavanambodhi) > > and this fire that has fallen into this ocean takes the form of a > boy > > called jalandhara. since jupiter helped indra get his life back, > > lord shiva grants the name of jeeva (enlivener) to jupiter. later > > realizing the strength of jalandhara, brahma blesses him to become > > the emperor of asuras and asks sukra (venus) to coronate and later > > performs jalandhara's marriage with vrinda, the daughter of > > kalanemi. seeing the headless rahu, jalandhara finds out the reason > > for rahu's headlessness and decides to fight with vishnu. in the > > battle, sukra used to bring back the dead asuras to life with his > > mritasanjivini vidya and jupiter used to bring back the dead > devatas > > to life with rarest herbs found only in drona mountain. knowing > > this, jalandhara uproots the drona mountain and throws into the > > ocean. (drona mountain is now in the almora district of kumaon). > > > > jalandhara fights battle with vishnu and make vishnu and his family > > live in jalandhara's house and conquers all the three worlds. > vishnu > > could not win the battle since jalandhara is born out of lord > shiva. > > then sage narada hatches a plot and tells jalandhara to go and get > > parvati who is the most beautiful woman in the world. narada also > > tells that once even brahma fell to the beauty of parvati but was > > cursed by siva which was a different story. then jalandhara goes to > > manasasarovar and find parvati who gets vanished after spotted by > > jalandhara and asks Vishnu to outrage the modesty of jalandhara's > > wife saying that as long as his wife is chaste, due to her power, > > jalandha cannot be killed even by shiva. jalandhara becomes busy in > > kailasa to get paravati and fight lord shiva. > > > > vishnu cast (maya) a bad dream for vrinda, the wife of jalandhara > > after which vrinda goes into the forest and find two monsters > fleeing > > from which she approaches a brahmin who kills these monsters with a > > mere sound. then vrinda asks this brahmin to let her know the > status > > of jalandhara who had gone to fight shiva and this brahmin lets two > > monkeys bring the deadbody of jalandhar in front. vrinda falls at > > the feet of this brahmin and prays to him to bring back jalandhara > to > > life and lo, jalandhara (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and embraces > > vrinda and have sex only after which she realizes that it was > vishnu > > and not jalandhara and curses vishnu to take a human shape and then > > his wife would be distracted by two rakshasas, the same two > monsters > > who made vrinda to approach this deceitful brahmin. like this > > brahmin, a demon in disguise as a brahmin approaches your wife and > > abducts her. like me, you would also search for your wife in > > jungles. since you used monkeys to bring a false deadbody of my > > husband, you would not find your wife without taking the help of > real > > monkeys. after giving these curses, the chaste vrinda enters into a > > fire and attains salvation. > > > > from the above, it is clear that vishnu took a human shape only due > > to the curse of vrinda and his search in jungles, deceit by the > > rakshasas, his wife taken away by another person, taking the help > of > > monkeys is all due to the curse of vrinda, a pativrata. these > > stories also highlight the power of a chaste woman by signifying > that > > even if the husband of a chaste woman is bad, he would become > > invincible due to the power of his wife. > > > > since these stories find mention in various puranas, astrologers > who > > prepared the chart of rama based on the details given in valmiki > > ramayana, may find out how these curses are reflected in his chart. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. 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Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 dear RRji sun is the soul, atman or the life giving force of all sentient beings in this planet and to all planets in the solar system. moon is the mind and many astro classics mention sun and moon as father and mother of the native's horoscope and also refer them as two eyes etc. but many astrologers also infer that moon is reflective of sun. few scientific bent astrologers also opined that each and everything that happens in the world is due to developments within the sun and by the sun. the remedy of worshipping shiva along with sun was given in reference to moon as shiva is called chandrasekhar and moon himself worshipped shiva who granted the boon of a fortnight waxing and fortnight waning. as regards realisation by the natives with ksy, with darkness prevailing over light, the mind and soul does not receive light which is why things happen with a delay and cause frustrations. without any astrological reference, a person with ksy can negate the negative results of the ksy if he does pranayama, gain equilibirium of mind and be content in life so that the dark nodes will fail in casting any negative affect. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > And the moon, if I may have a word here on this thread! > > KSY (rahu in its retrograde motion eating all the planets; > Particularly the parents the luminaries) will manifest through a > major challenge for the parents of such a nativity. The sad > observation in many cases is that the KSY nativities realize the > problem when they become parents and sometimes, even not then! > > That seems to have been the consistent observation and several others > too... > > Rohiniranjan > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend > > > > vedic astrology has mixed roots of hindu mythology and astronomy. > > rahu and ketu are the split up two portions of one demon who > > deceitfuly drank amrut (holy nectar) and hence got the status of > > planets and not real physical planets as such. for description > they > > are like a snake with both forming the head and tail respectively. > > > > whenever a horoscope has all the seven planets (sun, moon, mars, > > mercury, jupiter, venus and saturn) hemmed between rahu and ketu > this > > way or that way it is called a half blind chart. since all the > > planets are one side of the serpent, mythologically the serpent can > > negatively influence all the seven planets thereby precluding the > > good planets from giving their good results and causes delays and > > frustrations in the natives. in a half blind chart, if someone > says > > that a snake can turn only one side and not the other side, it is > his > > own inference. > > > > to get rid of this half blind chart which is also called kalasarpa > > dosham or kalasarpa yoga, i recommend worshipping planet sun and > > strengthen the sun for which wearing the 12mukh rudraksha is the > best > > remedy. those who cannot afford buying this remedy can recite > > gayatri mantra, aditya hridayam, give arghyam to lord sun daily and > > also worship and recite mantras for lord shiva. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , Hari Kumar <hariprabhaa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sirs, > > > > > > Could please elaborate Kalasarpayoga? > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > Hari Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > dear friends > > > > > > many people wonder as to why king rama suffered various hardships > > > like fourteen years of secluded life in jungles (equivalent to > life > > > imprisonment under present Indian law) and separation from wife > and > > > children etc. several astrologers tried to cast king rama's chart > > > based on the descriptions given in valmiki Ramayana and find out > > > astrological reasons for his troubles but astrologically his > chart > > is > > > the best one could imagine. > > > > > > The only reason for the sufferings of king rama or lord rama in > > human > > > form (a reincarnation of lord Vishnu) is due to the curse > received > > by > > > lord Vishnu from pativratas (chaste women) for outraging their > > > modesties by deceit. > > > > > > once upon a time brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king of devatas) > > > visited kailasha to meet lord shiva and to test them, shiva > > appeared > > > in the form of a digambara and not realizing it, indra tries to > > kill > > > him with his thunderbolt due to which lord shiva gets furiated > and > > > releases fire from his third eye. realizing the anger of lord > > shiva, > > > jupiter makes indra fall at the feet of shiva and prays to lord > > shiva > > > to shower mercy and spare indra after which lord shiva lets the > > fire > > > released from his third eye thrown into the salt ocean > > (lavanambodhi) > > > and this fire that has fallen into this ocean takes the form of a > > boy > > > called jalandhara. since jupiter helped indra get his life back, > > > lord shiva grants the name of jeeva (enlivener) to jupiter. later > > > realizing the strength of jalandhara, brahma blesses him to > become > > > the emperor of asuras and asks sukra (venus) to coronate and > later > > > performs jalandhara's marriage with vrinda, the daughter of > > > kalanemi. seeing the headless rahu, jalandhara finds out the > reason > > > for rahu's headlessness and decides to fight with vishnu. in the > > > battle, sukra used to bring back the dead asuras to life with his > > > mritasanjivini vidya and jupiter used to bring back the dead > > devatas > > > to life with rarest herbs found only in drona mountain. knowing > > > this, jalandhara uproots the drona mountain and throws into the > > > ocean. (drona mountain is now in the almora district of kumaon). > > > > > > jalandhara fights battle with vishnu and make vishnu and his > family > > > live in jalandhara's house and conquers all the three worlds. > > vishnu > > > could not win the battle since jalandhara is born out of lord > > shiva. > > > then sage narada hatches a plot and tells jalandhara to go and > get > > > parvati who is the most beautiful woman in the world. narada also > > > tells that once even brahma fell to the beauty of parvati but was > > > cursed by siva which was a different story. then jalandhara goes > to > > > manasasarovar and find parvati who gets vanished after spotted by > > > jalandhara and asks Vishnu to outrage the modesty of jalandhara's > > > wife saying that as long as his wife is chaste, due to her power, > > > jalandha cannot be killed even by shiva. jalandhara becomes busy > in > > > kailasa to get paravati and fight lord shiva. > > > > > > vishnu cast (maya) a bad dream for vrinda, the wife of jalandhara > > > after which vrinda goes into the forest and find two monsters > > fleeing > > > from which she approaches a brahmin who kills these monsters with > a > > > mere sound. then vrinda asks this brahmin to let her know the > > status > > > of jalandhara who had gone to fight shiva and this brahmin lets > two > > > monkeys bring the deadbody of jalandhar in front. vrinda falls at > > > the feet of this brahmin and prays to him to bring back > jalandhara > > to > > > life and lo, jalandhara (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and > embraces > > > vrinda and have sex only after which she realizes that it was > > vishnu > > > and not jalandhara and curses vishnu to take a human shape and > then > > > his wife would be distracted by two rakshasas, the same two > > monsters > > > who made vrinda to approach this deceitful brahmin. like this > > > brahmin, a demon in disguise as a brahmin approaches your wife > and > > > abducts her. like me, you would also search for your wife in > > > jungles. since you used monkeys to bring a false deadbody of my > > > husband, you would not find your wife without taking the help of > > real > > > monkeys. after giving these curses, the chaste vrinda enters into > a > > > fire and attains salvation. > > > > > > from the above, it is clear that vishnu took a human shape only > due > > > to the curse of vrinda and his search in jungles, deceit by the > > > rakshasas, his wife taken away by another person, taking the help > > of > > > monkeys is all due to the curse of vrinda, a pativrata. these > > > stories also highlight the power of a chaste woman by signifying > > that > > > even if the husband of a chaste woman is bad, he would become > > > invincible due to the power of his wife. > > > > > > since these stories find mention in various puranas, astrologers > > who > > > prepared the chart of rama based on the details given in valmiki > > > ramayana, may find out how these curses are reflected in his > chart. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. 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Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 PanditArjunji, KSY is indeed a shortcut assumption of an affliction, with its roots in the half blind configuration and of course the wider paap katari yoga (with all planets hemmed in between Rahu and Ketu). A half blind chart on the surface indicates an over-intensity in one half and under involvement in the other half of the chart. Although I have some understanding of the challenges this may present, I would be interested in learning of your views. Why is it especially important to attempt to pacify a half-blind chart? Thanks, Maniv , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > And the moon, if I may have a word here on this thread! > > KSY (rahu in its retrograde motion eating all the planets; > Particularly the parents the luminaries) will manifest through a > major challenge for the parents of such a nativity. The sad > observation in many cases is that the KSY nativities realize the > problem when they become parents and sometimes, even not then! > > That seems to have been the consistent observation and several others > too... > > Rohiniranjan > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend > > > > vedic astrology has mixed roots of hindu mythology and astronomy. > > rahu and ketu are the split up two portions of one demon who > > deceitfuly drank amrut (holy nectar) and hence got the status of > > planets and not real physical planets as such. for description > they > > are like a snake with both forming the head and tail respectively. > > > > whenever a horoscope has all the seven planets (sun, moon, mars, > > mercury, jupiter, venus and saturn) hemmed between rahu and ketu > this > > way or that way it is called a half blind chart. since all the > > planets are one side of the serpent, mythologically the serpent can > > negatively influence all the seven planets thereby precluding the > > good planets from giving their good results and causes delays and > > frustrations in the natives. in a half blind chart, if someone > says > > that a snake can turn only one side and not the other side, it is > his > > own inference. > > > > to get rid of this half blind chart which is also called kalasarpa > > dosham or kalasarpa yoga, i recommend worshipping planet sun and > > strengthen the sun for which wearing the 12mukh rudraksha is the > best > > remedy. those who cannot afford buying this remedy can recite > > gayatri mantra, aditya hridayam, give arghyam to lord sun daily and > > also worship and recite mantras for lord shiva. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , Hari Kumar <hariprabhaa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sirs, > > > > > > Could please elaborate Kalasarpayoga? > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > Hari Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > dear friends > > > > > > many people wonder as to why king rama suffered various hardships > > > like fourteen years of secluded life in jungles (equivalent to > life > > > imprisonment under present Indian law) and separation from wife > and > > > children etc. several astrologers tried to cast king rama's chart > > > based on the descriptions given in valmiki Ramayana and find out > > > astrological reasons for his troubles but astrologically his > chart > > is > > > the best one could imagine. > > > > > > The only reason for the sufferings of king rama or lord rama in > > human > > > form (a reincarnation of lord Vishnu) is due to the curse > received > > by > > > lord Vishnu from pativratas (chaste women) for outraging their > > > modesties by deceit. > > > > > > once upon a time brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king of devatas) > > > visited kailasha to meet lord shiva and to test them, shiva > > appeared > > > in the form of a digambara and not realizing it, indra tries to > > kill > > > him with his thunderbolt due to which lord shiva gets furiated > and > > > releases fire from his third eye. realizing the anger of lord > > shiva, > > > jupiter makes indra fall at the feet of shiva and prays to lord > > shiva > > > to shower mercy and spare indra after which lord shiva lets the > > fire > > > released from his third eye thrown into the salt ocean > > (lavanambodhi) > > > and this fire that has fallen into this ocean takes the form of a > > boy > > > called jalandhara. since jupiter helped indra get his life back, > > > lord shiva grants the name of jeeva (enlivener) to jupiter. later > > > realizing the strength of jalandhara, brahma blesses him to > become > > > the emperor of asuras and asks sukra (venus) to coronate and > later > > > performs jalandhara's marriage with vrinda, the daughter of > > > kalanemi. seeing the headless rahu, jalandhara finds out the > reason > > > for rahu's headlessness and decides to fight with vishnu. in the > > > battle, sukra used to bring back the dead asuras to life with his > > > mritasanjivini vidya and jupiter used to bring back the dead > > devatas > > > to life with rarest herbs found only in drona mountain. knowing > > > this, jalandhara uproots the drona mountain and throws into the > > > ocean. (drona mountain is now in the almora district of kumaon). > > > > > > jalandhara fights battle with vishnu and make vishnu and his > family > > > live in jalandhara's house and conquers all the three worlds. > > vishnu > > > could not win the battle since jalandhara is born out of lord > > shiva. > > > then sage narada hatches a plot and tells jalandhara to go and > get > > > parvati who is the most beautiful woman in the world. narada also > > > tells that once even brahma fell to the beauty of parvati but was > > > cursed by siva which was a different story. then jalandhara goes > to > > > manasasarovar and find parvati who gets vanished after spotted by > > > jalandhara and asks Vishnu to outrage the modesty of jalandhara's > > > wife saying that as long as his wife is chaste, due to her power, > > > jalandha cannot be killed even by shiva. jalandhara becomes busy > in > > > kailasa to get paravati and fight lord shiva. > > > > > > vishnu cast (maya) a bad dream for vrinda, the wife of jalandhara > > > after which vrinda goes into the forest and find two monsters > > fleeing > > > from which she approaches a brahmin who kills these monsters with > a > > > mere sound. then vrinda asks this brahmin to let her know the > > status > > > of jalandhara who had gone to fight shiva and this brahmin lets > two > > > monkeys bring the deadbody of jalandhar in front. vrinda falls at > > > the feet of this brahmin and prays to him to bring back > jalandhara > > to > > > life and lo, jalandhara (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and > embraces > > > vrinda and have sex only after which she realizes that it was > > vishnu > > > and not jalandhara and curses vishnu to take a human shape and > then > > > his wife would be distracted by two rakshasas, the same two > > monsters > > > who made vrinda to approach this deceitful brahmin. like this > > > brahmin, a demon in disguise as a brahmin approaches your wife > and > > > abducts her. like me, you would also search for your wife in > > > jungles. since you used monkeys to bring a false deadbody of my > > > husband, you would not find your wife without taking the help of > > real > > > monkeys. after giving these curses, the chaste vrinda enters into > a > > > fire and attains salvation. > > > > > > from the above, it is clear that vishnu took a human shape only > due > > > to the curse of vrinda and his search in jungles, deceit by the > > > rakshasas, his wife taken away by another person, taking the help > > of > > > monkeys is all due to the curse of vrinda, a pativrata. these > > > stories also highlight the power of a chaste woman by signifying > > that > > > even if the husband of a chaste woman is bad, he would become > > > invincible due to the power of his wife. > > > > > > since these stories find mention in various puranas, astrologers > > who > > > prepared the chart of rama based on the details given in valmiki > > > ramayana, may find out how these curses are reflected in his > chart. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. 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Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 dear friend you said it rightly. when the halfblind chart poses overintensity in half bhavas and no involvement in the other half bhavas, it is like you are having a house with 12 rooms where there is light only in six rooms on oneside and the otherside six rooms or dark. we have already discussed this subject threadbare with various logics, rationales and reasonings for the negative results of ksy few years earlier in this group but to speak freshly i can only say that the half blind chart in itself is not negative and only needs strengthening and improve on some areas of life. hope you read my other mail in this thread which signifies on luminaries sun and moon. ksy natives can benefit by meditation and control over mind other than doing remedies. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " maniv_pathak " <maniv_pathak wrote: > > PanditArjunji, > > KSY is indeed a shortcut assumption of an affliction, with its roots > in the half blind configuration and of course the wider paap katari > yoga (with all planets hemmed in between Rahu and Ketu). > > A half blind chart on the surface indicates an over-intensity in one > half and under involvement in the other half of the chart. > > Although I have some understanding of the challenges this may > present, I would be interested in learning of your views. > > Why is it especially important to attempt to pacify a half-blind > chart? > > Thanks, > > Maniv > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > And the moon, if I may have a word here on this thread! > > > > KSY (rahu in its retrograde motion eating all the planets; > > Particularly the parents the luminaries) will manifest through a > > major challenge for the parents of such a nativity. The sad > > observation in many cases is that the KSY nativities realize the > > problem when they become parents and sometimes, even not then! > > > > That seems to have been the consistent observation and several > others > > too... > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > vedic astrology has mixed roots of hindu mythology and > astronomy. > > > rahu and ketu are the split up two portions of one demon who > > > deceitfuly drank amrut (holy nectar) and hence got the status of > > > planets and not real physical planets as such. for description > > they > > > are like a snake with both forming the head and tail respectively. > > > > > > whenever a horoscope has all the seven planets (sun, moon, mars, > > > mercury, jupiter, venus and saturn) hemmed between rahu and ketu > > this > > > way or that way it is called a half blind chart. since all the > > > planets are one side of the serpent, mythologically the serpent > can > > > negatively influence all the seven planets thereby precluding the > > > good planets from giving their good results and causes delays and > > > frustrations in the natives. in a half blind chart, if someone > > says > > > that a snake can turn only one side and not the other side, it is > > his > > > own inference. > > > > > > to get rid of this half blind chart which is also called > kalasarpa > > > dosham or kalasarpa yoga, i recommend worshipping planet sun and > > > strengthen the sun for which wearing the 12mukh rudraksha is the > > best > > > remedy. those who cannot afford buying this remedy can recite > > > gayatri mantra, aditya hridayam, give arghyam to lord sun daily > and > > > also worship and recite mantras for lord shiva. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , Hari Kumar > <hariprabhaa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Sirs, > > > > > > > > Could please elaborate Kalasarpayoga? > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > Hari Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > many people wonder as to why king rama suffered various > hardships > > > > like fourteen years of secluded life in jungles (equivalent to > > life > > > > imprisonment under present Indian law) and separation from wife > > and > > > > children etc. several astrologers tried to cast king rama's > chart > > > > based on the descriptions given in valmiki Ramayana and find > out > > > > astrological reasons for his troubles but astrologically his > > chart > > > is > > > > the best one could imagine. > > > > > > > > The only reason for the sufferings of king rama or lord rama in > > > human > > > > form (a reincarnation of lord Vishnu) is due to the curse > > received > > > by > > > > lord Vishnu from pativratas (chaste women) for outraging their > > > > modesties by deceit. > > > > > > > > once upon a time brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king of > devatas) > > > > visited kailasha to meet lord shiva and to test them, shiva > > > appeared > > > > in the form of a digambara and not realizing it, indra tries to > > > kill > > > > him with his thunderbolt due to which lord shiva gets furiated > > and > > > > releases fire from his third eye. realizing the anger of lord > > > shiva, > > > > jupiter makes indra fall at the feet of shiva and prays to lord > > > shiva > > > > to shower mercy and spare indra after which lord shiva lets the > > > fire > > > > released from his third eye thrown into the salt ocean > > > (lavanambodhi) > > > > and this fire that has fallen into this ocean takes the form of > a > > > boy > > > > called jalandhara. since jupiter helped indra get his life > back, > > > > lord shiva grants the name of jeeva (enlivener) to jupiter. > later > > > > realizing the strength of jalandhara, brahma blesses him to > > become > > > > the emperor of asuras and asks sukra (venus) to coronate and > > later > > > > performs jalandhara's marriage with vrinda, the daughter of > > > > kalanemi. seeing the headless rahu, jalandhara finds out the > > reason > > > > for rahu's headlessness and decides to fight with vishnu. in > the > > > > battle, sukra used to bring back the dead asuras to life with > his > > > > mritasanjivini vidya and jupiter used to bring back the dead > > > devatas > > > > to life with rarest herbs found only in drona mountain. knowing > > > > this, jalandhara uproots the drona mountain and throws into the > > > > ocean. (drona mountain is now in the almora district of kumaon). > > > > > > > > jalandhara fights battle with vishnu and make vishnu and his > > family > > > > live in jalandhara's house and conquers all the three worlds. > > > vishnu > > > > could not win the battle since jalandhara is born out of lord > > > shiva. > > > > then sage narada hatches a plot and tells jalandhara to go and > > get > > > > parvati who is the most beautiful woman in the world. narada > also > > > > tells that once even brahma fell to the beauty of parvati but > was > > > > cursed by siva which was a different story. then jalandhara > goes > > to > > > > manasasarovar and find parvati who gets vanished after spotted > by > > > > jalandhara and asks Vishnu to outrage the modesty of > jalandhara's > > > > wife saying that as long as his wife is chaste, due to her > power, > > > > jalandha cannot be killed even by shiva. jalandhara becomes > busy > > in > > > > kailasa to get paravati and fight lord shiva. > > > > > > > > vishnu cast (maya) a bad dream for vrinda, the wife of > jalandhara > > > > after which vrinda goes into the forest and find two monsters > > > fleeing > > > > from which she approaches a brahmin who kills these monsters > with > > a > > > > mere sound. then vrinda asks this brahmin to let her know the > > > status > > > > of jalandhara who had gone to fight shiva and this brahmin lets > > two > > > > monkeys bring the deadbody of jalandhar in front. vrinda falls > at > > > > the feet of this brahmin and prays to him to bring back > > jalandhara > > > to > > > > life and lo, jalandhara (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and > > embraces > > > > vrinda and have sex only after which she realizes that it was > > > vishnu > > > > and not jalandhara and curses vishnu to take a human shape and > > then > > > > his wife would be distracted by two rakshasas, the same two > > > monsters > > > > who made vrinda to approach this deceitful brahmin. like this > > > > brahmin, a demon in disguise as a brahmin approaches your wife > > and > > > > abducts her. like me, you would also search for your wife in > > > > jungles. since you used monkeys to bring a false deadbody of my > > > > husband, you would not find your wife without taking the help > of > > > real > > > > monkeys. after giving these curses, the chaste vrinda enters > into > > a > > > > fire and attains salvation. > > > > > > > > from the above, it is clear that vishnu took a human shape only > > due > > > > to the curse of vrinda and his search in jungles, deceit by the > > > > rakshasas, his wife taken away by another person, taking the > help > > > of > > > > monkeys is all due to the curse of vrinda, a pativrata. these > > > > stories also highlight the power of a chaste woman by > signifying > > > that > > > > even if the husband of a chaste woman is bad, he would become > > > > invincible due to the power of his wife. > > > > > > > > since these stories find mention in various puranas, > astrologers > > > who > > > > prepared the chart of rama based on the details given in > valmiki > > > > ramayana, may find out how these curses are reflected in his > > chart. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. 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Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Dear Friends, Kala Sarpagayoga continues to haunt many jotishs as well layman only when the lagna chart gives a starnge presentation with nodes becoming prominent than luminaries. interestingly in the vimshottari dasa system both sun and moon contribute for for 16 years of dasa.where as nodes have combined strength contributing for 23 years of combined dasas of all planets. Right or wrong we have already reflected that roles of rahu and ketu as nodes have not been given prominence in the planetary system.we are ofcourse sure to believe that these planets as shadow planets are evil nature if not in mind. Then individual charts when analysed have mixed bag of results with this KSY.Further analysis made to probe have given many names depending on their positions and occupations. Infact consistent and knowledgeable jyotishis have not given much prominence to this yoga.There are others yet who would like to seize the opportunity and emphsise the likely bad effects. In essence how ever based on the sign(chara,sthira and dwiswabhava) the effects likely to be given by Rahu and Ketu will be witnessed for rise or static nature of life.one can also deny the kind of ascendant rising at the time of birth based on time.so when we consider and justify the effect of KSY(position of rahu and ketu dependant yoga).If fiery signs like Aries,Leo and sagittarus get involved in KSY will be different from watery signs like cancer,scorpio and pisces.Again lordships of these signs and houses do matter for all of us.But then the tripod namely 1,5 and 9 houses in this need to be seen and explored irrespective of what ever name we assign as KAY or KSY and son on so forth. Last but not least the asterisms like aswani,(ketu)aridra(rahu) makha,swati,moola and satabhisha depending on moons positions give rise to dasas of rahu and ketu that form part invariably of kalasarpa yoga. when a native with this yoga approaches it is quite incidental and we need ty emphasis on other aspect than to deal exclusively for the prominence of yoga. ofcourse various views do prevail in analysing the KSY and ultimately we have to reconcile to the fact that each native carries with him bahgya as per his birth. why not we analyse from the point of view what this bhagya is meant for any native including the one carrying kalasarpayoga? vrkrishnan panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend you said it rightly. when the halfblind chart poses overintensity in half bhavas and no involvement in the other half bhavas, it is like you are having a house with 12 rooms where there is light only in six rooms on oneside and the otherside six rooms or dark. we have already discussed this subject threadbare with various logics, rationales and reasonings for the negative results of ksy few years earlier in this group but to speak freshly i can only say that the half blind chart in itself is not negative and only needs strengthening and improve on some areas of life. hope you read my other mail in this thread which signifies on luminaries sun and moon. ksy natives can benefit by meditation and control over mind other than doing remedies. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " maniv_pathak " <maniv_pathak wrote: > > PanditArjunji, > > KSY is indeed a shortcut assumption of an affliction, with its roots > in the half blind configuration and of course the wider paap katari > yoga (with all planets hemmed in between Rahu and Ketu). > > A half blind chart on the surface indicates an over-intensity in one > half and under involvement in the other half of the chart. > > Although I have some understanding of the challenges this may > present, I would be interested in learning of your views. > > Why is it especially important to attempt to pacify a half-blind > chart? > > Thanks, > > Maniv > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > And the moon, if I may have a word here on this thread! > > > > KSY (rahu in its retrograde motion eating all the planets; > > Particularly the parents the luminaries) will manifest through a > > major challenge for the parents of such a nativity. The sad > > observation in many cases is that the KSY nativities realize the > > problem when they become parents and sometimes, even not then! > > > > That seems to have been the consistent observation and several > others > > too... > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > vedic astrology has mixed roots of hindu mythology and > astronomy. > > > rahu and ketu are the split up two portions of one demon who > > > deceitfuly drank amrut (holy nectar) and hence got the status of > > > planets and not real physical planets as such. for description > > they > > > are like a snake with both forming the head and tail respectively. > > > > > > whenever a horoscope has all the seven planets (sun, moon, mars, > > > mercury, jupiter, venus and saturn) hemmed between rahu and ketu > > this > > > way or that way it is called a half blind chart. since all the > > > planets are one side of the serpent, mythologically the serpent > can > > > negatively influence all the seven planets thereby precluding the > > > good planets from giving their good results and causes delays and > > > frustrations in the natives. in a half blind chart, if someone > > says > > > that a snake can turn only one side and not the other side, it is > > his > > > own inference. > > > > > > to get rid of this half blind chart which is also called > kalasarpa > > > dosham or kalasarpa yoga, i recommend worshipping planet sun and > > > strengthen the sun for which wearing the 12mukh rudraksha is the > > best > > > remedy. those who cannot afford buying this remedy can recite > > > gayatri mantra, aditya hridayam, give arghyam to lord sun daily > and > > > also worship and recite mantras for lord shiva. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , Hari Kumar > <hariprabhaa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Sirs, > > > > > > > > Could please elaborate Kalasarpayoga? > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > Hari Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > many people wonder as to why king rama suffered various > hardships > > > > like fourteen years of secluded life in jungles (equivalent to > > life > > > > imprisonment under present Indian law) and separation from wife > > and > > > > children etc. several astrologers tried to cast king rama's > chart > > > > based on the descriptions given in valmiki Ramayana and find > out > > > > astrological reasons for his troubles but astrologically his > > chart > > > is > > > > the best one could imagine. > > > > > > > > The only reason for the sufferings of king rama or lord rama in > > > human > > > > form (a reincarnation of lord Vishnu) is due to the curse > > received > > > by > > > > lord Vishnu from pativratas (chaste women) for outraging their > > > > modesties by deceit. > > > > > > > > once upon a time brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king of > devatas) > > > > visited kailasha to meet lord shiva and to test them, shiva > > > appeared > > > > in the form of a digambara and not realizing it, indra tries to > > > kill > > > > him with his thunderbolt due to which lord shiva gets furiated > > and > > > > releases fire from his third eye. realizing the anger of lord > > > shiva, > > > > jupiter makes indra fall at the feet of shiva and prays to lord > > > shiva > > > > to shower mercy and spare indra after which lord shiva lets the > > > fire > > > > released from his third eye thrown into the salt ocean > > > (lavanambodhi) > > > > and this fire that has fallen into this ocean takes the form of > a > > > boy > > > > called jalandhara. since jupiter helped indra get his life > back, > > > > lord shiva grants the name of jeeva (enlivener) to jupiter. > later > > > > realizing the strength of jalandhara, brahma blesses him to > > become > > > > the emperor of asuras and asks sukra (venus) to coronate and > > later > > > > performs jalandhara's marriage with vrinda, the daughter of > > > > kalanemi. seeing the headless rahu, jalandhara finds out the > > reason > > > > for rahu's headlessness and decides to fight with vishnu. in > the > > > > battle, sukra used to bring back the dead asuras to life with > his > > > > mritasanjivini vidya and jupiter used to bring back the dead > > > devatas > > > > to life with rarest herbs found only in drona mountain. knowing > > > > this, jalandhara uproots the drona mountain and throws into the > > > > ocean. (drona mountain is now in the almora district of kumaon). > > > > > > > > jalandhara fights battle with vishnu and make vishnu and his > > family > > > > live in jalandhara's house and conquers all the three worlds. > > > vishnu > > > > could not win the battle since jalandhara is born out of lord > > > shiva. > > > > then sage narada hatches a plot and tells jalandhara to go and > > get > > > > parvati who is the most beautiful woman in the world. narada > also > > > > tells that once even brahma fell to the beauty of parvati but > was > > > > cursed by siva which was a different story. then jalandhara > goes > > to > > > > manasasarovar and find parvati who gets vanished after spotted > by > > > > jalandhara and asks Vishnu to outrage the modesty of > jalandhara's > > > > wife saying that as long as his wife is chaste, due to her > power, > > > > jalandha cannot be killed even by shiva. jalandhara becomes > busy > > in > > > > kailasa to get paravati and fight lord shiva. > > > > > > > > vishnu cast (maya) a bad dream for vrinda, the wife of > jalandhara > > > > after which vrinda goes into the forest and find two monsters > > > fleeing > > > > from which she approaches a brahmin who kills these monsters > with > > a > > > > mere sound. then vrinda asks this brahmin to let her know the > > > status > > > > of jalandhara who had gone to fight shiva and this brahmin lets > > two > > > > monkeys bring the deadbody of jalandhar in front. vrinda falls > at > > > > the feet of this brahmin and prays to him to bring back > > jalandhara > > > to > > > > life and lo, jalandhara (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and > > embraces > > > > vrinda and have sex only after which she realizes that it was > > > vishnu > > > > and not jalandhara and curses vishnu to take a human shape and > > then > > > > his wife would be distracted by two rakshasas, the same two > > > monsters > > > > who made vrinda to approach this deceitful brahmin. like this > > > > brahmin, a demon in disguise as a brahmin approaches your wife > > and > > > > abducts her. like me, you would also search for your wife in > > > > jungles. since you used monkeys to bring a false deadbody of my > > > > husband, you would not find your wife without taking the help > of > > > real > > > > monkeys. after giving these curses, the chaste vrinda enters > into > > a > > > > fire and attains salvation. > > > > > > > > from the above, it is clear that vishnu took a human shape only > > due > > > > to the curse of vrinda and his search in jungles, deceit by the > > > > rakshasas, his wife taken away by another person, taking the > help > > > of > > > > monkeys is all due to the curse of vrinda, a pativrata. these > > > > stories also highlight the power of a chaste woman by > signifying > > > that > > > > even if the husband of a chaste woman is bad, he would become > > > > invincible due to the power of his wife. > > > > > > > > since these stories find mention in various puranas, > astrologers > > > who > > > > prepared the chart of rama based on the details given in > valmiki > > > > ramayana, may find out how these curses are reflected in his > > chart. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. 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Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Sir, // In essence how ever based on the sign(chara,s thira and dwiswabhava) the effects likely to be given by Rahu and Ketu will be witnessed for rise or static nature of life// I whole heartedly agree with you. Shani sadesathi as well as kala Sarpa Yoga are both commonly understood to be always evil , dreadful and feared, whereas in reality, this may not be the case in all the charts one encounters with Shani sadesathi or kalasarpa Yoga. At times the same Rahu whio is forming kalasarpa Yoga may prove to be the trigger of Bhagyoday or riches, when it gets the power as mahadasha or antardasha Lord. kind regards, Bhaskar. , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > Kala Sarpagayoga continues to haunt many jotishs as well layman only when the lagna chart gives a starnge presentation with nodes becoming prominent than luminaries. > interestingly in the vimshottari dasa system both sun and moon contribute for for 16 years of dasa.where as nodes have combined strength contributing for 23 years of combined dasas of all planets. > Right or wrong we have already reflected that roles of rahu and ketu as nodes have not been given prominence in the planetary system.we are ofcourse sure to believe that these planets as shadow planets are evil nature if not in mind. > Then individual charts when analysed have mixed bag of results with this KSY.Further analysis made to probe have given many names depending on their positions and occupations. > Infact consistent and knowledgeable jyotishis have not given much prominence to this yoga.There are others yet who would like to seize the opportunity and emphsise the likely bad effects. > In essence how ever based on the sign(chara,sthira and dwiswabhava) the effects likely to be given by Rahu and Ketu will be witnessed for rise or static nature of life.one can also deny the kind of ascendant rising at the time of birth based on time.so when we consider and justify the effect of KSY(position of rahu and ketu dependant yoga).If fiery signs like Aries,Leo and sagittarus get involved in KSY will be different from watery signs like cancer,scorpio and pisces.Again lordships of these signs and houses do matter for all of us.But then the tripod namely 1,5 and 9 houses in this need to be seen and explored irrespective of what ever name we assign as KAY or KSY and son on so forth. > Last but not least the asterisms like aswani,(ketu)aridra(rahu) makha,swati,moola and satabhisha depending on moons positions give rise to dasas of rahu and ketu that form part invariably of kalasarpa yoga. > when a native with this yoga approaches it is quite incidental and we need ty emphasis on other aspect than to deal exclusively for the prominence of yoga. > ofcourse various views do prevail in analysing the KSY and ultimately we have to reconcile to the fact that each native carries with him bahgya as per his birth. why not we analyse from the point of view what this bhagya is meant for any native including the one carrying kalasarpayoga? > vrkrishnan > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear friend > > you said it rightly. when the halfblind chart poses overintensity in > half bhavas and no involvement in the other half bhavas, it is like > you are having a house with 12 rooms where there is light only in six > rooms on oneside and the otherside six rooms or dark. > > we have already discussed this subject threadbare with various > logics, rationales and reasonings for the negative results of ksy few > years earlier in this group but to speak freshly i can only say that > the half blind chart in itself is not negative and only needs > strengthening and improve on some areas of life. hope you read my > other mail in this thread which signifies on luminaries sun and > moon. ksy natives can benefit by meditation and control over mind > other than doing remedies. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " maniv_pathak " > <maniv_pathak@> wrote: > > > > PanditArjunji, > > > > KSY is indeed a shortcut assumption of an affliction, with its > roots > > in the half blind configuration and of course the wider paap katari > > yoga (with all planets hemmed in between Rahu and Ketu). > > > > A half blind chart on the surface indicates an over-intensity in > one > > half and under involvement in the other half of the chart. > > > > Although I have some understanding of the challenges this may > > present, I would be interested in learning of your views. > > > > Why is it especially important to attempt to pacify a half-blind > > chart? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Maniv > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > And the moon, if I may have a word here on this thread! > > > > > > KSY (rahu in its retrograde motion eating all the planets; > > > Particularly the parents the luminaries) will manifest through a > > > major challenge for the parents of such a nativity. The sad > > > observation in many cases is that the KSY nativities realize the > > > problem when they become parents and sometimes, even not then! > > > > > > That seems to have been the consistent observation and several > > others > > > too... > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > vedic astrology has mixed roots of hindu mythology and > > astronomy. > > > > rahu and ketu are the split up two portions of one demon who > > > > deceitfuly drank amrut (holy nectar) and hence got the status > of > > > > planets and not real physical planets as such. for description > > > they > > > > are like a snake with both forming the head and tail > respectively. > > > > > > > > whenever a horoscope has all the seven planets (sun, moon, > mars, > > > > mercury, jupiter, venus and saturn) hemmed between rahu and > ketu > > > this > > > > way or that way it is called a half blind chart. since all the > > > > planets are one side of the serpent, mythologically the serpent > > can > > > > negatively influence all the seven planets thereby precluding > the > > > > good planets from giving their good results and causes delays > and > > > > frustrations in the natives. in a half blind chart, if someone > > > says > > > > that a snake can turn only one side and not the other side, it > is > > > his > > > > own inference. > > > > > > > > to get rid of this half blind chart which is also called > > kalasarpa > > > > dosham or kalasarpa yoga, i recommend worshipping planet sun > and > > > > strengthen the sun for which wearing the 12mukh rudraksha is > the > > > best > > > > remedy. those who cannot afford buying this remedy can recite > > > > gayatri mantra, aditya hridayam, give arghyam to lord sun daily > > and > > > > also worship and recite mantras for lord shiva. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > , Hari Kumar > > <hariprabhaa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > Could please elaborate Kalasarpayoga? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > Hari Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > many people wonder as to why king rama suffered various > > hardships > > > > > like fourteen years of secluded life in jungles (equivalent > to > > > life > > > > > imprisonment under present Indian law) and separation from > wife > > > and > > > > > children etc. several astrologers tried to cast king rama's > > chart > > > > > based on the descriptions given in valmiki Ramayana and find > > out > > > > > astrological reasons for his troubles but astrologically his > > > chart > > > > is > > > > > the best one could imagine. > > > > > > > > > > The only reason for the sufferings of king rama or lord rama > in > > > > human > > > > > form (a reincarnation of lord Vishnu) is due to the curse > > > received > > > > by > > > > > lord Vishnu from pativratas (chaste women) for outraging > their > > > > > modesties by deceit. > > > > > > > > > > once upon a time brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king of > > devatas) > > > > > visited kailasha to meet lord shiva and to test them, shiva > > > > appeared > > > > > in the form of a digambara and not realizing it, indra tries > to > > > > kill > > > > > him with his thunderbolt due to which lord shiva gets > furiated > > > and > > > > > releases fire from his third eye. realizing the anger of lord > > > > shiva, > > > > > jupiter makes indra fall at the feet of shiva and prays to > lord > > > > shiva > > > > > to shower mercy and spare indra after which lord shiva lets > the > > > > fire > > > > > released from his third eye thrown into the salt ocean > > > > (lavanambodhi) > > > > > and this fire that has fallen into this ocean takes the form > of > > a > > > > boy > > > > > called jalandhara. since jupiter helped indra get his life > > back, > > > > > lord shiva grants the name of jeeva (enlivener) to jupiter. > > later > > > > > realizing the strength of jalandhara, brahma blesses him to > > > become > > > > > the emperor of asuras and asks sukra (venus) to coronate and > > > later > > > > > performs jalandhara's marriage with vrinda, the daughter of > > > > > kalanemi. seeing the headless rahu, jalandhara finds out the > > > reason > > > > > for rahu's headlessness and decides to fight with vishnu. in > > the > > > > > battle, sukra used to bring back the dead asuras to life with > > his > > > > > mritasanjivini vidya and jupiter used to bring back the dead > > > > devatas > > > > > to life with rarest herbs found only in drona mountain. > knowing > > > > > this, jalandhara uproots the drona mountain and throws into > the > > > > > ocean. (drona mountain is now in the almora district of > kumaon). > > > > > > > > > > jalandhara fights battle with vishnu and make vishnu and his > > > family > > > > > live in jalandhara's house and conquers all the three worlds. > > > > vishnu > > > > > could not win the battle since jalandhara is born out of lord > > > > shiva. > > > > > then sage narada hatches a plot and tells jalandhara to go > and > > > get > > > > > parvati who is the most beautiful woman in the world. narada > > also > > > > > tells that once even brahma fell to the beauty of parvati but > > was > > > > > cursed by siva which was a different story. then jalandhara > > goes > > > to > > > > > manasasarovar and find parvati who gets vanished after > spotted > > by > > > > > jalandhara and asks Vishnu to outrage the modesty of > > jalandhara's > > > > > wife saying that as long as his wife is chaste, due to her > > power, > > > > > jalandha cannot be killed even by shiva. jalandhara becomes > > busy > > > in > > > > > kailasa to get paravati and fight lord shiva. > > > > > > > > > > vishnu cast (maya) a bad dream for vrinda, the wife of > > jalandhara > > > > > after which vrinda goes into the forest and find two monsters > > > > fleeing > > > > > from which she approaches a brahmin who kills these monsters > > with > > > a > > > > > mere sound. then vrinda asks this brahmin to let her know the > > > > status > > > > > of jalandhara who had gone to fight shiva and this brahmin > lets > > > two > > > > > monkeys bring the deadbody of jalandhar in front. vrinda > falls > > at > > > > > the feet of this brahmin and prays to him to bring back > > > jalandhara > > > > to > > > > > life and lo, jalandhara (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and > > > embraces > > > > > vrinda and have sex only after which she realizes that it was > > > > vishnu > > > > > and not jalandhara and curses vishnu to take a human shape > and > > > then > > > > > his wife would be distracted by two rakshasas, the same two > > > > monsters > > > > > who made vrinda to approach this deceitful brahmin. like this > > > > > brahmin, a demon in disguise as a brahmin approaches your > wife > > > and > > > > > abducts her. like me, you would also search for your wife in > > > > > jungles. since you used monkeys to bring a false deadbody of > my > > > > > husband, you would not find your wife without taking the help > > of > > > > real > > > > > monkeys. after giving these curses, the chaste vrinda enters > > into > > > a > > > > > fire and attains salvation. > > > > > > > > > > from the above, it is clear that vishnu took a human shape > only > > > due > > > > > to the curse of vrinda and his search in jungles, deceit by > the > > > > > rakshasas, his wife taken away by another person, taking the > > help > > > > of > > > > > monkeys is all due to the curse of vrinda, a pativrata. these > > > > > stories also highlight the power of a chaste woman by > > signifying > > > > that > > > > > even if the husband of a chaste woman is bad, he would become > > > > > invincible due to the power of his wife. > > > > > > > > > > since these stories find mention in various puranas, > > astrologers > > > > who > > > > > prepared the chart of rama based on the details given in > > valmiki > > > > > ramayana, may find out how these curses are reflected in his > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. 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Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 --- In , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > > // In essence how ever based on the sign(chara,s > thira and dwiswabhava) the effects likely to be given > by Rahu and Ketu will be witnessed for rise or static > nature of life// > > I whole heartedly agree with you. > Shani sadesathi as well as kala Sarpa > Yoga are both commonly understood to > be always evil , dreadful and feared, > whereas in reality, this may not be the > case in all the charts one encounters > with Shani sadesathi or kalasarpa Yoga. > At times the same Rahu whio is forming > kalasarpa Yoga may prove to be the trigger > of Bhagyoday or riches, when it gets the > power as mahadasha or antardasha Lord. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > --- In , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > Kala Sarpagayoga continues to haunt many jotishs as well layman > only when the lagna chart gives a starnge presentation with nodes > becoming prominent than luminaries. > > interestingly in the vimshottari dasa system both sun and moon > contribute for for 16 years of dasa.where as nodes have combined > strength contributing for 23 years of combined dasas of all planets. > > Right or wrong we have already reflected that roles of rahu and > ketu as nodes have not been given prominence in the planetary > system.we are ofcourse sure to believe that these planets as shadow > planets are evil nature if not in mind. > > Then individual charts when analysed have mixed bag of results > with this KSY.Further analysis made to probe have given many names > depending on their positions and occupations. > > Infact consistent and knowledgeable jyotishis have not given > much prominence to this yoga.There are others yet who would like to > seize the opportunity and emphsise the likely bad effects. > > In essence how ever based on the sign(chara,sthira and > dwiswabhava) the effects likely to be given by Rahu and Ketu will be > witnessed for rise or static nature of life.one can also deny the > kind of ascendant rising at the time of birth based on time.so when > we consider and justify the effect of KSY(position of rahu and ketu > dependant yoga).If fiery signs like Aries,Leo and sagittarus get > involved in KSY will be different from watery signs like > cancer,scorpio and pisces.Again lordships of these signs and houses > do matter for all of us.But then the tripod namely 1,5 and 9 houses > in this need to be seen and explored irrespective of what ever name > we assign as KAY or KSY and son on so forth. > > Last but not least the asterisms like aswani,(ketu)aridra(rahu) > makha,swati,moola and satabhisha depending on moons positions give > rise to dasas of rahu and ketu that form part invariably of > kalasarpa yoga. > > when a native with this yoga approaches it is quite incidental > and we need ty emphasis on other aspect than to deal exclusively for > the prominence of yoga. > > ofcourse various views do prevail in analysing the KSY and > ultimately we have to reconcile to the fact that each native carries > with him bahgya as per his birth. why not we analyse from the point > of view what this bhagya is meant for any native including the one > carrying kalasarpayoga? > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > dear friend > > > > you said it rightly. when the halfblind chart poses overintensity > in > > half bhavas and no involvement in the other half bhavas, it is > like > > you are having a house with 12 rooms where there is light only in > six > > rooms on oneside and the otherside six rooms or dark. > > > > we have already discussed this subject threadbare with various > > logics, rationales and reasonings for the negative results of ksy > few > > years earlier in this group but to speak freshly i can only say > that > > the half blind chart in itself is not negative and only needs > > strengthening and improve on some areas of life. hope you read my > > other mail in this thread which signifies on luminaries sun and > > moon. ksy natives can benefit by meditation and control over mind > > other than doing remedies. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > --- In , " maniv_pathak " > > <maniv_pathak@> wrote: > > > > > > PanditArjunji, > > > > > > KSY is indeed a shortcut assumption of an affliction, with its > > roots > > > in the half blind configuration and of course the wider paap > katari > > > yoga (with all planets hemmed in between Rahu and Ketu). > > > > > > A half blind chart on the surface indicates an over-intensity in > > one > > > half and under involvement in the other half of the chart. > > > > > > Although I have some understanding of the challenges this may > > > present, I would be interested in learning of your views. > > > > > > Why is it especially important to attempt to pacify a half-blind > > > chart? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > --- In , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > And the moon, if I may have a word here on this thread! > > > > > > > > KSY (rahu in its retrograde motion eating all the planets; > > > > Particularly the parents the luminaries) will manifest through > a > > > > major challenge for the parents of such a nativity. The sad > > > > observation in many cases is that the KSY nativities realize > the > > > > problem when they become parents and sometimes, even not then! > > > > > > > > That seems to have been the consistent observation and several > > > others > > > > too... > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > --- In , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology has mixed roots of hindu mythology and > > > astronomy. > > > > > rahu and ketu are the split up two portions of one demon who > > > > > deceitfuly drank amrut (holy nectar) and hence got the > status > > of > > > > > planets and not real physical planets as such. for > description > > > > they > > > > > are like a snake with both forming the head and tail > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > whenever a horoscope has all the seven planets (sun, moon, > > mars, > > > > > mercury, jupiter, venus and saturn) hemmed between rahu and > > ketu > > > > this > > > > > way or that way it is called a half blind chart. since all > the > > > > > planets are one side of the serpent, mythologically the > serpent > > > can > > > > > negatively influence all the seven planets thereby > precluding > > the > > > > > good planets from giving their good results and causes > delays > > and > > > > > frustrations in the natives. in a half blind chart, if > someone > > > > says > > > > > that a snake can turn only one side and not the other side, > it > > is > > > > his > > > > > own inference. > > > > > > > > > > to get rid of this half blind chart which is also called > > > kalasarpa > > > > > dosham or kalasarpa yoga, i recommend worshipping planet sun > > and > > > > > strengthen the sun for which wearing the 12mukh rudraksha is > > the > > > > best > > > > > remedy. those who cannot afford buying this remedy can > recite > > > > > gayatri mantra, aditya hridayam, give arghyam to lord sun > daily > > > and > > > > > also worship and recite mantras for lord shiva. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > --- In , Hari Kumar > > > <hariprabhaa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could please elaborate Kalasarpayoga? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > > > many people wonder as to why king rama suffered various > > > hardships > > > > > > like fourteen years of secluded life in jungles > (equivalent > > to > > > > life > > > > > > imprisonment under present Indian law) and separation from > > wife > > > > and > > > > > > children etc. several astrologers tried to cast king > rama's > > > chart > > > > > > based on the descriptions given in valmiki Ramayana and > find > > > out > > > > > > astrological reasons for his troubles but astrologically > his > > > > chart > > > > > is > > > > > > the best one could imagine. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only reason for the sufferings of king rama or lord > rama > > in > > > > > human > > > > > > form (a reincarnation of lord Vishnu) is due to the curse > > > > received > > > > > by > > > > > > lord Vishnu from pativratas (chaste women) for outraging > > their > > > > > > modesties by deceit. > > > > > > > > > > > > once upon a time brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king of > > > devatas) > > > > > > visited kailasha to meet lord shiva and to test them, > shiva > > > > > appeared > > > > > > in the form of a digambara and not realizing it, indra > tries > > to > > > > > kill > > > > > > him with his thunderbolt due to which lord shiva gets > > furiated > > > > and > > > > > > releases fire from his third eye. realizing the anger of > lord > > > > > shiva, > > > > > > jupiter makes indra fall at the feet of shiva and prays to > > lord > > > > > shiva > > > > > > to shower mercy and spare indra after which lord shiva > lets > > the > > > > > fire > > > > > > released from his third eye thrown into the salt ocean > > > > > (lavanambodhi) > > > > > > and this fire that has fallen into this ocean takes the > form > > of > > > a > > > > > boy > > > > > > called jalandhara. since jupiter helped indra get his life > > > back, > > > > > > lord shiva grants the name of jeeva (enlivener) to > jupiter. > > > later > > > > > > realizing the strength of jalandhara, brahma blesses him > to > > > > become > > > > > > the emperor of asuras and asks sukra (venus) to coronate > and > > > > later > > > > > > performs jalandhara's marriage with vrinda, the daughter > of > > > > > > kalanemi. seeing the headless rahu, jalandhara finds out > the > > > > reason > > > > > > for rahu's headlessness and decides to fight with vishnu. > in > > > the > > > > > > battle, sukra used to bring back the dead asuras to life > with > > > his > > > > > > mritasanjivini vidya and jupiter used to bring back the > dead > > > > > devatas > > > > > > to life with rarest herbs found only in drona mountain. > > knowing > > > > > > this, jalandhara uproots the drona mountain and throws > into > > the > > > > > > ocean. (drona mountain is now in the almora district of > > kumaon). > > > > > > > > > > > > jalandhara fights battle with vishnu and make vishnu and > his > > > > family > > > > > > live in jalandhara's house and conquers all the three > worlds. > > > > > vishnu > > > > > > could not win the battle since jalandhara is born out of > lord > > > > > shiva. > > > > > > then sage narada hatches a plot and tells jalandhara to go > > and > > > > get > > > > > > parvati who is the most beautiful woman in the world. > narada > > > also > > > > > > tells that once even brahma fell to the beauty of parvati > but > > > was > > > > > > cursed by siva which was a different story. then > jalandhara > > > goes > > > > to > > > > > > manasasarovar and find parvati who gets vanished after > > spotted > > > by > > > > > > jalandhara and asks Vishnu to outrage the modesty of > > > jalandhara's > > > > > > wife saying that as long as his wife is chaste, due to her > > > power, > > > > > > jalandha cannot be killed even by shiva. jalandhara > becomes > > > busy > > > > in > > > > > > kailasa to get paravati and fight lord shiva. > > > > > > > > > > > > vishnu cast (maya) a bad dream for vrinda, the wife of > > > jalandhara > > > > > > after which vrinda goes into the forest and find two > monsters > > > > > fleeing > > > > > > from which she approaches a brahmin who kills these > monsters > > > with > > > > a > > > > > > mere sound. then vrinda asks this brahmin to let her know > the > > > > > status > > > > > > of jalandhara who had gone to fight shiva and this brahmin > > lets > > > > two > > > > > > monkeys bring the deadbody of jalandhar in front. vrinda > > falls > > > at > > > > > > the feet of this brahmin and prays to him to bring back > > > > jalandhara > > > > > to > > > > > > life and lo, jalandhara (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and > > > > embraces > > > > > > vrinda and have sex only after which she realizes that it > was > > > > > vishnu > > > > > > and not jalandhara and curses vishnu to take a human shape > > and > > > > then > > > > > > his wife would be distracted by two rakshasas, the same > two > > > > > monsters > > > > > > who made vrinda to approach this deceitful brahmin. like > this > > > > > > brahmin, a demon in disguise as a brahmin approaches your > > wife > > > > and > > > > > > abducts her. like me, you would also search for your wife > in > > > > > > jungles. since you used monkeys to bring a false deadbody > of > > my > > > > > > husband, you would not find your wife without taking the > help > > > of > > > > > real > > > > > > monkeys. after giving these curses, the chaste vrinda > enters > > > into > > > > a > > > > > > fire and attains salvation. > > > > > > > > > > > > from the above, it is clear that vishnu took a human shape > > only > > > > due > > > > > > to the curse of vrinda and his search in jungles, deceit > by > > the > > > > > > rakshasas, his wife taken away by another person, taking > the > > > help > > > > > of > > > > > > monkeys is all due to the curse of vrinda, a pativrata. > these > > > > > > stories also highlight the power of a chaste woman by > > > signifying > > > > > that > > > > > > even if the husband of a chaste woman is bad, he would > become > > > > > > invincible due to the power of his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > since these stories find mention in various puranas, > > > astrologers > > > > > who > > > > > > prepared the chart of rama based on the details given in > > > valmiki > > > > > > ramayana, may find out how these curses are reflected in > his > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- ------ > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click > > here > > > to > > > > > know how. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Dear Sirs, I have seen many astrologers jumping into conclusions and inventing various kinds of KSY. To the best my undrestanding these few thumb rules may just shed some light for to remove any confusion. Please correct me if I have gone wrong somewhere. 1. All palnets must be hemmed in between Rahu and Ketu without any other planet including Ascendant joining either of them. 2. All planets must be between Rahu- Ketu and not Ket-Rahu. To make it simpler we have first understand that the motion of Rahu, Ketu is always retrograde. 3. Imagine Rahu as the head of Sarpa or serpent and Ketu as the tail of the serpent. kala means time. so in the natal horoscope in the course of time Rahu starts gobbling up all planets by virtue of it retrograde motion and NOT Ketu ; so that tey endup in the belly of the sarpa in the course of time. 4. Ofcourse amsika KSY can be seen when degree of position of Rahu is higher than that of Ascenndant or anyother planet joining it in a house as by it's retrograde motion the planet has to enter the mouth of the serpent. regards Ranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Pandit Arjun Ji I know the story of Jalandhar and Vrindaa, and that Vishnu cheated Vrindaa and Vrindaa cursed Vishnu to become a black stone - so Vishnu became Shaalgraam, but Vishnu bestowed her with a boon to be Tulasee and keep her with Him always. But I never read the story of his birth? Where did you read the story of his birth like this? How come that being born from Shiv's anger he became Asur? And was Vrindaa the daughter of Kaalnemi? Thanks With regards Sushma , " ranjanhota " <ranjanhota wrote: > > --- In > , > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > // In essence how ever based on the > sign(chara,s > > thira and dwiswabhava) the effects > likely to be given > > by Rahu and Ketu will be witnessed > for rise or static > > nature of life// > > > > I whole heartedly agree with you. > > Shani sadesathi as well as kala Sarpa > > Yoga are both commonly understood to > > be always evil , dreadful and feared, > > whereas in reality, this may not be > the > > case in all the charts one > encounters > > with Shani sadesathi or kalasarpa > Yoga. > > At times the same Rahu whio is > forming > > kalasarpa Yoga may prove to be the > trigger > > of Bhagyoday or riches, when it gets > the > > power as mahadasha or antardasha > Lord. > > > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > Kala Sarpagayoga continues to > haunt many jotishs as well layman > > only when the lagna chart gives a > starnge presentation with nodes > > becoming prominent than luminaries. > > > interestingly in the vimshottari > dasa system both sun and moon > > contribute for for 16 years of > dasa.where as nodes have combined > > strength contributing for 23 years > of combined dasas of all planets. > > > Right or wrong we have already > reflected that roles of rahu and > > ketu as nodes have not been given > prominence in the planetary > > system.we are ofcourse sure to > believe that these planets as shadow > > planets are evil nature if not in > mind. > > > Then individual charts when > analysed have mixed bag of results > > with this KSY.Further analysis made > to probe have given many names > > depending on their positions and > occupations. > > > Infact consistent and > knowledgeable jyotishis have not given > > much prominence to this yoga.There > are others yet who would like to > > seize the opportunity and emphsise > the likely bad effects. > > > In essence how ever based on the > sign(chara,sthira and > > dwiswabhava) the effects likely to > be given by Rahu and Ketu will be > > witnessed for rise or static nature > of life.one can also deny the > > kind of ascendant rising at the time > of birth based on time.so when > > we consider and justify the effect > of KSY(position of rahu and ketu > > dependant yoga).If fiery signs like > Aries,Leo and sagittarus get > > involved in KSY will be different > from watery signs like > > cancer,scorpio and pisces.Again > lordships of these signs and houses > > do matter for all of us.But then the > tripod namely 1,5 and 9 houses > > in this need to be seen and explored > irrespective of what ever name > > we assign as KAY or KSY and son on > so forth. > > > Last but not least the asterisms > like aswani,(ketu)aridra(rahu) > > makha,swati,moola and satabhisha > depending on moons positions give > > rise to dasas of rahu and ketu that > form part invariably of > > kalasarpa yoga. > > > when a native with this yoga > approaches it is quite incidental > > and we need ty emphasis on other > aspect than to deal exclusively for > > the prominence of yoga. > > > ofcourse various views do > prevail in analysing the KSY and > > ultimately we have to reconcile to > the fact that each native carries > > with him bahgya as per his birth. > why not we analyse from the point > > of view what this bhagya is meant > for any native including the one > > carrying kalasarpayoga? > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> > wrote: > > > dear friend > > > > > > you said it rightly. when the > halfblind chart poses overintensity > > in > > > half bhavas and no involvement in > the other half bhavas, it is > > like > > > you are having a house with 12 > rooms where there is light only in > > six > > > rooms on oneside and the otherside > six rooms or dark. > > > > > > we have already discussed this > subject threadbare with various > > > logics, rationales and reasonings > for the negative results of ksy > > few > > > years earlier in this group but to > speak freshly i can only say > > that > > > the half blind chart in itself is > not negative and only needs > > > strengthening and improve on some > areas of life. hope you read my > > > other mail in this thread which > signifies on luminaries sun and > > > moon. ksy natives can benefit by > meditation and control over mind > > > other than doing remedies. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > --- In > , > " maniv_pathak " > > > <maniv_pathak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > PanditArjunji, > > > > > > > > KSY is indeed a shortcut > assumption of an affliction, with its > > > roots > > > > in the half blind configuration > and of course the wider paap > > katari > > > > yoga (with all planets hemmed in > between Rahu and Ketu). > > > > > > > > A half blind chart on the > surface indicates an over-intensity in > > > one > > > > half and under involvement in > the other half of the chart. > > > > > > > > Although I have some > understanding of the challenges this > may > > > > present, I would be interested > in learning of your views. > > > > > > > > Why is it especially important > to attempt to pacify a half-blind > > > > chart? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > " Rohiniranjan " > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > And the moon, if I may have a > word here on this thread! > > > > > > > > > > KSY (rahu in its retrograde > motion eating all the planets; > > > > > Particularly the parents the > luminaries) will manifest through > > a > > > > > major challenge for the > parents of such a nativity. The sad > > > > > observation in many cases is > that the KSY nativities realize > > the > > > > > problem when they become > parents and sometimes, even not then! > > > > > > > > > > That seems to have been the > consistent observation and several > > > > others > > > > > too... > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology has mixed > roots of hindu mythology and > > > > astronomy. > > > > > > rahu and ketu are the split > up two portions of one demon who > > > > > > deceitfuly drank amrut (holy > nectar) and hence got the > > status > > > of > > > > > > planets and not real > physical planets as such. for > > description > > > > > they > > > > > > are like a snake with both > forming the head and tail > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > whenever a horoscope has all > the seven planets (sun, moon, > > > mars, > > > > > > mercury, jupiter, venus and > saturn) hemmed between rahu and > > > ketu > > > > > this > > > > > > way or that way it is called > a half blind chart. since all > > the > > > > > > planets are one side of the > serpent, mythologically the > > serpent > > > > can > > > > > > negatively influence all the > seven planets thereby > > precluding > > > the > > > > > > good planets from giving > their good results and causes > > delays > > > and > > > > > > frustrations in the natives. > in a half blind chart, if > > someone > > > > > says > > > > > > that a snake can turn only > one side and not the other side, > > it > > > is > > > > > his > > > > > > own inference. > > > > > > > > > > > > to get rid of this half > blind chart which is also called > > > > kalasarpa > > > > > > dosham or kalasarpa yoga, i > recommend worshipping planet sun > > > and > > > > > > strengthen the sun for which > wearing the 12mukh rudraksha is > > > the > > > > > best > > > > > > remedy. those who cannot > afford buying this remedy can > > recite > > > > > > gayatri mantra, aditya > hridayam, give arghyam to lord sun > > daily > > > > and > > > > > > also worship and recite > mantras for lord shiva. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and > blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , Hari > Kumar > > > > <hariprabhaa@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could please elaborate > Kalasarpayoga? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many people wonder as to > why king rama suffered various > > > > hardships > > > > > > > like fourteen years of > secluded life in jungles > > (equivalent > > > to > > > > > life > > > > > > > imprisonment under present > Indian law) and separation from > > > wife > > > > > and > > > > > > > children etc. several > astrologers tried to cast king > > rama's > > > > chart > > > > > > > based on the descriptions > given in valmiki Ramayana and > > find > > > > out > > > > > > > astrological reasons for > his troubles but astrologically > > his > > > > > chart > > > > > > is > > > > > > > the best one could imagine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only reason for the > sufferings of king rama or lord > > rama > > > in > > > > > > human > > > > > > > form (a reincarnation of > lord Vishnu) is due to the curse > > > > > received > > > > > > by > > > > > > > lord Vishnu from > pativratas (chaste women) for > outraging > > > their > > > > > > > modesties by deceit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once upon a time > brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king > of > > > > devatas) > > > > > > > visited kailasha to meet > lord shiva and to test them, > > shiva > > > > > > appeared > > > > > > > in the form of a digambara > and not realizing it, indra > > tries > > > to > > > > > > kill > > > > > > > him with his thunderbolt > due to which lord shiva gets > > > furiated > > > > > and > > > > > > > releases fire from his > third eye. realizing the anger of > > lord > > > > > > shiva, > > > > > > > jupiter makes indra fall > at the feet of shiva and prays to > > > lord > > > > > > shiva > > > > > > > to shower mercy and spare > indra after which lord shiva > > lets > > > the > > > > > > fire > > > > > > > released from his third > eye thrown into the salt ocean > > > > > > (lavanambodhi) > > > > > > > and this fire that has > fallen into this ocean takes the > > form > > > of > > > > a > > > > > > boy > > > > > > > called jalandhara. since > jupiter helped indra get his life > > > > back, > > > > > > > lord shiva grants the name > of jeeva (enlivener) to > > jupiter. > > > > later > > > > > > > realizing the strength of > jalandhara, brahma blesses him > > to > > > > > become > > > > > > > the emperor of asuras and > asks sukra (venus) to coronate > > and > > > > > later > > > > > > > performs jalandhara's > marriage with vrinda, the daughter > > of > > > > > > > kalanemi. seeing the > headless rahu, jalandhara finds out > > the > > > > > reason > > > > > > > for rahu's headlessness > and decides to fight with vishnu. > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > battle, sukra used to > bring back the dead asuras to life > > with > > > > his > > > > > > > mritasanjivini vidya and > jupiter used to bring back the > > dead > > > > > > devatas > > > > > > > to life with rarest herbs > found only in drona mountain. > > > knowing > > > > > > > this, jalandhara uproots > the drona mountain and throws > > into > > > the > > > > > > > ocean. (drona mountain is > now in the almora district of > > > kumaon). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jalandhara fights battle > with vishnu and make vishnu and > > his > > > > > family > > > > > > > live in jalandhara's house > and conquers all the three > > worlds. > > > > > > vishnu > > > > > > > could not win the battle > since jalandhara is born out of > > lord > > > > > > shiva. > > > > > > > then sage narada hatches a > plot and tells jalandhara to go > > > and > > > > > get > > > > > > > parvati who is the most > beautiful woman in the world. > > narada > > > > also > > > > > > > tells that once even > brahma fell to the beauty of parvati > > but > > > > was > > > > > > > cursed by siva which was a > different story. then > > jalandhara > > > > goes > > > > > to > > > > > > > manasasarovar and find > parvati who gets vanished after > > > spotted > > > > by > > > > > > > jalandhara and asks Vishnu > to outrage the modesty of > > > > jalandhara's > > > > > > > wife saying that as long > as his wife is chaste, due to her > > > > power, > > > > > > > jalandha cannot be killed > even by shiva. jalandhara > > becomes > > > > busy > > > > > in > > > > > > > kailasa to get paravati > and fight lord shiva. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vishnu cast (maya) a bad > dream for vrinda, the wife of > > > > jalandhara > > > > > > > after which vrinda goes > into the forest and find two > > monsters > > > > > > fleeing > > > > > > > from which she approaches > a brahmin who kills these > > monsters > > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > > > mere sound. then vrinda > asks this brahmin to let her know > > the > > > > > > status > > > > > > > of jalandhara who had gone > to fight shiva and this brahmin > > > lets > > > > > two > > > > > > > monkeys bring the deadbody > of jalandhar in front. vrinda > > > falls > > > > at > > > > > > > the feet of this brahmin > and prays to him to bring back > > > > > jalandhara > > > > > > to > > > > > > > life and lo, jalandhara > (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and > > > > > embraces > > > > > > > vrinda and have sex only > after which she realizes that it > > was > > > > > > vishnu > > > > > > > and not jalandhara and > curses vishnu to take a human shape > > > and > > > > > then > > > > > > > his wife would be > distracted by two rakshasas, the same > > two > > > > > > monsters > > > > > > > who made vrinda to > approach this deceitful brahmin. like > > this > > > > > > > brahmin, a demon in > disguise as a brahmin approaches your > > > wife > > > > > and > > > > > > > abducts her. like me, you > would also search for your wife > > in > > > > > > > jungles. since you used > monkeys to bring a false deadbody > > of > > > my > > > > > > > husband, you would not > find your wife without taking the > > help > > > > of > > > > > > real > > > > > > > monkeys. after giving > these curses, the chaste vrinda > > enters > > > > into > > > > > a > > > > > > > fire and attains salvation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the above, it is > clear that vishnu took a human shape > > > only > > > > > due > > > > > > > to the curse of vrinda and > his search in jungles, deceit > > by > > > the > > > > > > > rakshasas, his wife taken > away by another person, taking > > the > > > > help > > > > > > of > > > > > > > monkeys is all due to the > curse of vrinda, a pativrata. > > these > > > > > > > stories also highlight the > power of a chaste woman by > > > > signifying > > > > > > that > > > > > > > even if the husband of a > chaste woman is bad, he would > > become > > > > > > > invincible due to the > power of his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since these stories find > mention in various puranas, > > > > astrologers > > > > > > who > > > > > > > prepared the chart of rama > based on the details given in > > > > valmiki > > > > > > > ramayana, may find out how > these curses are reflected in > > his > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and > blessings > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- > ------ > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as > many mails as you wish. Click > > > here > > > > to > > > > > > know how. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping > deals? Find them fast with > > Search. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have been removed] > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > I have seen many astrologers jumping > into conclusions and inventing various > kinds of KSY. To the best my > undrestanding these few thumb rules > may just shed some light for to remove > any confusion. Please correct me if I > have gone wrong somewhere. > 1. All palnets must be hemmed in > between Rahu and Ketu without any > other planet including Ascendant > joining either of them. > > 2. All planets must be between Rahu- > Ketu and not Ket-Rahu. To make it > simpler we have first understand that > the motion of Rahu, Ketu is always > retrograde. > 3. Imagine Rahu as the head of Sarpa > or serpent and Ketu as the tail of the > serpent. kala means time. so in the > natal horoscope in the course of time > Rahu starts gobbling up all planets by > virtue of it retrograde motion and NOT > Ketu ; so that tey endup in the belly > of the sarpa in the course of time. > > 4. Ofcourse amsika KSY can be seen > when degree of position of Rahu is > higher than that of Ascenndant or > anyother planet joining it in a house > as by it's retrograde motion the > planet has to enter the mouth of the > serpent. > > regards > Ranjan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 About Kalasarpayoga by KN rao http://sify.com/astrology/fullstory.php?id=14366301 bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: Pandit Arjun Ji I know the story of Jalandhar and Vrindaa, and that Vishnu cheated Vrindaa and Vrindaa cursed Vishnu to become a black stone - so Vishnu became Shaalgraam, but Vishnu bestowed her with a boon to be Tulasee and keep her with Him always. But I never read the story of his birth? Where did you read the story of his birth like this? How come that being born from Shiv's anger he became Asur? And was Vrindaa the daughter of Kaalnemi? Thanks With regards Sushma , " ranjanhota " <ranjanhota wrote: > > --- In > , > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > // In essence how ever based on the > sign(chara,s > > thira and dwiswabhava) the effects > likely to be given > > by Rahu and Ketu will be witnessed > for rise or static > > nature of life// > > > > I whole heartedly agree with you. > > Shani sadesathi as well as kala Sarpa > > Yoga are both commonly understood to > > be always evil , dreadful and feared, > > whereas in reality, this may not be > the > > case in all the charts one > encounters > > with Shani sadesathi or kalasarpa > Yoga. > > At times the same Rahu whio is > forming > > kalasarpa Yoga may prove to be the > trigger > > of Bhagyoday or riches, when it gets > the > > power as mahadasha or antardasha > Lord. > > > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > Kala Sarpagayoga continues to > haunt many jotishs as well layman > > only when the lagna chart gives a > starnge presentation with nodes > > becoming prominent than luminaries. > > > interestingly in the vimshottari > dasa system both sun and moon > > contribute for for 16 years of > dasa.where as nodes have combined > > strength contributing for 23 years > of combined dasas of all planets. > > > Right or wrong we have already > reflected that roles of rahu and > > ketu as nodes have not been given > prominence in the planetary > > system.we are ofcourse sure to > believe that these planets as shadow > > planets are evil nature if not in > mind. > > > Then individual charts when > analysed have mixed bag of results > > with this KSY.Further analysis made > to probe have given many names > > depending on their positions and > occupations. > > > Infact consistent and > knowledgeable jyotishis have not given > > much prominence to this yoga.There > are others yet who would like to > > seize the opportunity and emphsise > the likely bad effects. > > > In essence how ever based on the > sign(chara,sthira and > > dwiswabhava) the effects likely to > be given by Rahu and Ketu will be > > witnessed for rise or static nature > of life.one can also deny the > > kind of ascendant rising at the time > of birth based on time.so when > > we consider and justify the effect > of KSY(position of rahu and ketu > > dependant yoga).If fiery signs like > Aries,Leo and sagittarus get > > involved in KSY will be different > from watery signs like > > cancer,scorpio and pisces.Again > lordships of these signs and houses > > do matter for all of us.But then the > tripod namely 1,5 and 9 houses > > in this need to be seen and explored > irrespective of what ever name > > we assign as KAY or KSY and son on > so forth. > > > Last but not least the asterisms > like aswani,(ketu)aridra(rahu) > > makha,swati,moola and satabhisha > depending on moons positions give > > rise to dasas of rahu and ketu that > form part invariably of > > kalasarpa yoga. > > > when a native with this yoga > approaches it is quite incidental > > and we need ty emphasis on other > aspect than to deal exclusively for > > the prominence of yoga. > > > ofcourse various views do > prevail in analysing the KSY and > > ultimately we have to reconcile to > the fact that each native carries > > with him bahgya as per his birth. > why not we analyse from the point > > of view what this bhagya is meant > for any native including the one > > carrying kalasarpayoga? > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> > wrote: > > > dear friend > > > > > > you said it rightly. when the > halfblind chart poses overintensity > > in > > > half bhavas and no involvement in > the other half bhavas, it is > > like > > > you are having a house with 12 > rooms where there is light only in > > six > > > rooms on oneside and the otherside > six rooms or dark. > > > > > > we have already discussed this > subject threadbare with various > > > logics, rationales and reasonings > for the negative results of ksy > > few > > > years earlier in this group but to > speak freshly i can only say > > that > > > the half blind chart in itself is > not negative and only needs > > > strengthening and improve on some > areas of life. hope you read my > > > other mail in this thread which > signifies on luminaries sun and > > > moon. ksy natives can benefit by > meditation and control over mind > > > other than doing remedies. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > --- In > , > " maniv_pathak " > > > <maniv_pathak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > PanditArjunji, > > > > > > > > KSY is indeed a shortcut > assumption of an affliction, with its > > > roots > > > > in the half blind configuration > and of course the wider paap > > katari > > > > yoga (with all planets hemmed in > between Rahu and Ketu). > > > > > > > > A half blind chart on the > surface indicates an over-intensity in > > > one > > > > half and under involvement in > the other half of the chart. > > > > > > > > Although I have some > understanding of the challenges this > may > > > > present, I would be interested > in learning of your views. > > > > > > > > Why is it especially important > to attempt to pacify a half-blind > > > > chart? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > " Rohiniranjan " > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > And the moon, if I may have a > word here on this thread! > > > > > > > > > > KSY (rahu in its retrograde > motion eating all the planets; > > > > > Particularly the parents the > luminaries) will manifest through > > a > > > > > major challenge for the > parents of such a nativity. The sad > > > > > observation in many cases is > that the KSY nativities realize > > the > > > > > problem when they become > parents and sometimes, even not then! > > > > > > > > > > That seems to have been the > consistent observation and several > > > > others > > > > > too... > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology has mixed > roots of hindu mythology and > > > > astronomy. > > > > > > rahu and ketu are the split > up two portions of one demon who > > > > > > deceitfuly drank amrut (holy > nectar) and hence got the > > status > > > of > > > > > > planets and not real > physical planets as such. for > > description > > > > > they > > > > > > are like a snake with both > forming the head and tail > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > whenever a horoscope has all > the seven planets (sun, moon, > > > mars, > > > > > > mercury, jupiter, venus and > saturn) hemmed between rahu and > > > ketu > > > > > this > > > > > > way or that way it is called > a half blind chart. since all > > the > > > > > > planets are one side of the > serpent, mythologically the > > serpent > > > > can > > > > > > negatively influence all the > seven planets thereby > > precluding > > > the > > > > > > good planets from giving > their good results and causes > > delays > > > and > > > > > > frustrations in the natives. > in a half blind chart, if > > someone > > > > > says > > > > > > that a snake can turn only > one side and not the other side, > > it > > > is > > > > > his > > > > > > own inference. > > > > > > > > > > > > to get rid of this half > blind chart which is also called > > > > kalasarpa > > > > > > dosham or kalasarpa yoga, i > recommend worshipping planet sun > > > and > > > > > > strengthen the sun for which > wearing the 12mukh rudraksha is > > > the > > > > > best > > > > > > remedy. those who cannot > afford buying this remedy can > > recite > > > > > > gayatri mantra, aditya > hridayam, give arghyam to lord sun > > daily > > > > and > > > > > > also worship and recite > mantras for lord shiva. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and > blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , Hari > Kumar > > > > <hariprabhaa@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could please elaborate > Kalasarpayoga? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many people wonder as to > why king rama suffered various > > > > hardships > > > > > > > like fourteen years of > secluded life in jungles > > (equivalent > > > to > > > > > life > > > > > > > imprisonment under present > Indian law) and separation from > > > wife > > > > > and > > > > > > > children etc. several > astrologers tried to cast king > > rama's > > > > chart > > > > > > > based on the descriptions > given in valmiki Ramayana and > > find > > > > out > > > > > > > astrological reasons for > his troubles but astrologically > > his > > > > > chart > > > > > > is > > > > > > > the best one could imagine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only reason for the > sufferings of king rama or lord > > rama > > > in > > > > > > human > > > > > > > form (a reincarnation of > lord Vishnu) is due to the curse > > > > > received > > > > > > by > > > > > > > lord Vishnu from > pativratas (chaste women) for > outraging > > > their > > > > > > > modesties by deceit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once upon a time > brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king > of > > > > devatas) > > > > > > > visited kailasha to meet > lord shiva and to test them, > > shiva > > > > > > appeared > > > > > > > in the form of a digambara > and not realizing it, indra > > tries > > > to > > > > > > kill > > > > > > > him with his thunderbolt > due to which lord shiva gets > > > furiated > > > > > and > > > > > > > releases fire from his > third eye. realizing the anger of > > lord > > > > > > shiva, > > > > > > > jupiter makes indra fall > at the feet of shiva and prays to > > > lord > > > > > > shiva > > > > > > > to shower mercy and spare > indra after which lord shiva > > lets > > > the > > > > > > fire > > > > > > > released from his third > eye thrown into the salt ocean > > > > > > (lavanambodhi) > > > > > > > and this fire that has > fallen into this ocean takes the > > form > > > of > > > > a > > > > > > boy > > > > > > > called jalandhara. since > jupiter helped indra get his life > > > > back, > > > > > > > lord shiva grants the name > of jeeva (enlivener) to > > jupiter. > > > > later > > > > > > > realizing the strength of > jalandhara, brahma blesses him > > to > > > > > become > > > > > > > the emperor of asuras and > asks sukra (venus) to coronate > > and > > > > > later > > > > > > > performs jalandhara's > marriage with vrinda, the daughter > > of > > > > > > > kalanemi. seeing the > headless rahu, jalandhara finds out > > the > > > > > reason > > > > > > > for rahu's headlessness > and decides to fight with vishnu. > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > battle, sukra used to > bring back the dead asuras to life > > with > > > > his > > > > > > > mritasanjivini vidya and > jupiter used to bring back the > > dead > > > > > > devatas > > > > > > > to life with rarest herbs > found only in drona mountain. > > > knowing > > > > > > > this, jalandhara uproots > the drona mountain and throws > > into > > > the > > > > > > > ocean. (drona mountain is > now in the almora district of > > > kumaon). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jalandhara fights battle > with vishnu and make vishnu and > > his > > > > > family > > > > > > > live in jalandhara's house > and conquers all the three > > worlds. > > > > > > vishnu > > > > > > > could not win the battle > since jalandhara is born out of > > lord > > > > > > shiva. > > > > > > > then sage narada hatches a > plot and tells jalandhara to go > > > and > > > > > get > > > > > > > parvati who is the most > beautiful woman in the world. > > narada > > > > also > > > > > > > tells that once even > brahma fell to the beauty of parvati > > but > > > > was > > > > > > > cursed by siva which was a > different story. then > > jalandhara > > > > goes > > > > > to > > > > > > > manasasarovar and find > parvati who gets vanished after > > > spotted > > > > by > > > > > > > jalandhara and asks Vishnu > to outrage the modesty of > > > > jalandhara's > > > > > > > wife saying that as long > as his wife is chaste, due to her > > > > power, > > > > > > > jalandha cannot be killed > even by shiva. jalandhara > > becomes > > > > busy > > > > > in > > > > > > > kailasa to get paravati > and fight lord shiva. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vishnu cast (maya) a bad > dream for vrinda, the wife of > > > > jalandhara > > > > > > > after which vrinda goes > into the forest and find two > > monsters > > > > > > fleeing > > > > > > > from which she approaches > a brahmin who kills these > > monsters > > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > > > mere sound. then vrinda > asks this brahmin to let her know > > the > > > > > > status > > > > > > > of jalandhara who had gone > to fight shiva and this brahmin > > > lets > > > > > two > > > > > > > monkeys bring the deadbody > of jalandhar in front. vrinda > > > falls > > > > at > > > > > > > the feet of this brahmin > and prays to him to bring back > > > > > jalandhara > > > > > > to > > > > > > > life and lo, jalandhara > (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and > > > > > embraces > > > > > > > vrinda and have sex only > after which she realizes that it > > was > > > > > > vishnu > > > > > > > and not jalandhara and > curses vishnu to take a human shape > > > and > > > > > then > > > > > > > his wife would be > distracted by two rakshasas, the same > > two > > > > > > monsters > > > > > > > who made vrinda to > approach this deceitful brahmin. like > > this > > > > > > > brahmin, a demon in > disguise as a brahmin approaches your > > > wife > > > > > and > > > > > > > abducts her. like me, you > would also search for your wife > > in > > > > > > > jungles. since you used > monkeys to bring a false deadbody > > of > > > my > > > > > > > husband, you would not > find your wife without taking the > > help > > > > of > > > > > > real > > > > > > > monkeys. after giving > these curses, the chaste vrinda > > enters > > > > into > > > > > a > > > > > > > fire and attains salvation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the above, it is > clear that vishnu took a human shape > > > only > > > > > due > > > > > > > to the curse of vrinda and > his search in jungles, deceit > > by > > > the > > > > > > > rakshasas, his wife taken > away by another person, taking > > the > > > > help > > > > > > of > > > > > > > monkeys is all due to the > curse of vrinda, a pativrata. > > these > > > > > > > stories also highlight the > power of a chaste woman by > > > > signifying > > > > > > that > > > > > > > even if the husband of a > chaste woman is bad, he would > > become > > > > > > > invincible due to the > power of his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since these stories find > mention in various puranas, > > > > astrologers > > > > > > who > > > > > > > prepared the chart of rama > based on the details given in > > > > valmiki > > > > > > > ramayana, may find out how > these curses are reflected in > > his > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and > blessings > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- > ------ > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as > many mails as you wish. Click > > > here > > > > to > > > > > > know how. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping > deals? Find them fast with > > Search. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have been removed] > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > I have seen many astrologers jumping > into conclusions and inventing various > kinds of KSY. To the best my > undrestanding these few thumb rules > may just shed some light for to remove > any confusion. Please correct me if I > have gone wrong somewhere. > 1. All palnets must be hemmed in > between Rahu and Ketu without any > other planet including Ascendant > joining either of them. > > 2. All planets must be between Rahu- > Ketu and not Ket-Rahu. To make it > simpler we have first understand that > the motion of Rahu, Ketu is always > retrograde. > 3. Imagine Rahu as the head of Sarpa > or serpent and Ketu as the tail of the > serpent. kala means time. so in the > natal horoscope in the course of time > Rahu starts gobbling up all planets by > virtue of it retrograde motion and NOT > Ketu ; so that tey endup in the belly > of the sarpa in the course of time. > > 4. Ofcourse amsika KSY can be seen > when degree of position of Rahu is > higher than that of Ascenndant or > anyother planet joining it in a house > as by it's retrograde motion the > planet has to enter the mouth of the > serpent. > > regards > Ranjan > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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