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thanks, i enjoyed reading this bit about women's nature.

hope in my next birth i am a male!!

that is if i am to be re born.

although i am a female i almost agree with what is written

do forgive me dear ladies!!

rr

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

dear friends

 

following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " from

uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in

volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by

motilalbanarsidas.

 

============quote============

vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was

mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

 

sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is,

listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment

towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the

conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an

apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was

wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel

pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for the

benefit of the world.

 

pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

 

this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women

with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the

limits of decency.

there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

women are at the root of all sins.

they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great

comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for

erring, they do not wait.

this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to

sinful men casting off all shame and shyness.

women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach

them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid of

their husbands.

even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women

who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked

after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles

and dwarfs.

they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with

solicitations of lust.

if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in

abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by

their husbands.

women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid

of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned.

because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are

fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to

an intelligent man.

fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is

not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is

not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

satiated with the number of men they cohabit with.

there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man

their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed

with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like

water dripping from a leather bag.

women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love,

who may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves

and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love

purused by them with other men.

women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together

viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were

created by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

 

sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by

a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

detachment do you wish to hear.

=============unquote=========

 

the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates

this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating

this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas.

many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are

interested in liberation and detachment from women.

 

members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas

brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a

pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a

pativrata.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste,

It explains why all religions without any exceptions considered women as sacred

pookisha in a family and were kept under limited democracy ;could be seen from

the modern history, till the beginning of 20th century all most all countries

denied franchise them.

 

Rhoda Reporter <rhodes10 wrote:

thanks, i enjoyed reading this bit about women's nature.

hope in my next birth i am a male!!

that is if i am to be re born.

although i am a female i almost agree with what is written

do forgive me dear ladies!!

rr

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

dear friends

 

following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " from

uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in

volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by

motilalbanarsidas.

 

============quote============

vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was

mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

 

sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is,

listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment

towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the

conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an

apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was

wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel

pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for the

benefit of the world.

 

pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

 

this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women

with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the

limits of decency.

there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

women are at the root of all sins.

they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great

comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for

erring, they do not wait.

this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to

sinful men casting off all shame and shyness.

women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach

them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid of

their husbands.

even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women

who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked

after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles

and dwarfs.

they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with

solicitations of lust.

if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in

abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by

their husbands.

women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid

of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned.

because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are

fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to

an intelligent man.

fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is

not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is

not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

satiated with the number of men they cohabit with.

there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man

their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed

with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like

water dripping from a leather bag.

women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love,

who may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves

and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love

purused by them with other men.

women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together

viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were

created by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

 

sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by

a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

detachment do you wish to hear.

=============unquote=========

 

the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates

this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating

this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas.

many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are

interested in liberation and detachment from women.

 

members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas

brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a

pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a

pativrata.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

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Dear Arjun ji,

Women's nature is complementary to men's. Women's are more loving,

very earthly and the embodiment of all the soft qualities that make us human.

Men are usually power hungry, egotic, looking at long distance forgetting the

earth below his own feet (remember all the daily discussions about world

politics but forgetting to get the necessary material from shop to prepare the

daily food of the day). We need to become more womanly (means more humane) to

enjoy the fruits of happiness provided by this very earth - the mother earth. I

am truly in favor of them - and of course being a man not at all against the

dreaming, hard working, believing in the rule 'survival of the of the

fittest' kind of arrogant male nature as well. Both of them are

complementary and will remain so - yes, similar to astrology exception too are

always present among both men and women, defying all definitions and categorizing

efforts. May be we should accept man-women or women-man as he is - and know

that one cannot be separate from other. Or better know the fact that

there is neither true man or true women but only man-women and women-man; all

Ardha-nareewaras having both male and female nature within – and may be that is

the way to perfection. :)

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote:>> dear friends> > following is taken from the 24th chapter titled "women's nature" from > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by > motilalbanarsidas.> > ============quote============> vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.> > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the > conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an > apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was > wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel > pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for the > benefit of the world.> > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:> > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women > with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > limits of decency.> there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.> women are at the root of all sins.> they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for > erring, they do not wait.> this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > sinful men casting off all shame and shyness.> women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.> women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is > because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid of > their husbands.> even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.> even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked > after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles > and dwarfs.> they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > solicitations of lust.> if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by > their husbands.> women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned.> because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to > an intelligent man.> fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > satiated with the number of men they cohabit with.> there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.> on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like > water dripping from a leather bag.> women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, > who may honour and console them and who may look after them well.> women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > purused by them with other men.> women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together > viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the > sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire.> ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > created by brahma, the defect lies in women always.> > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by > a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > detachment do you wish to hear.> =============unquote=========> > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates > this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating > this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. > many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > interested in liberation and detachment from women.> > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a > pativrata.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun>

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dear friends

 

puranas remain the same puranas with same holiness and reverence even

if their stories and morales are outdated according some new

generation thinking.

 

similarly some rules and codes and principles mentioned in old

testament of the bible looks primitive to modern man but the old

testament is as holy as new testament and is part and parcel of the

holy bible.

 

just because generations and habits have changed, we dont change the

holy books like we change our country's constitution.

 

kindly note that this narration is from a woman, that too an apsara.

 

above all, this narration is narrated ONLY TO THOSE TARGET AUDIENCE

WHO WISH TO HAVE LIBERATION AND DETACHMENT FROM WOMEN. to all those

others who wish to be attached to women and dont want detachment or

liberation, they may kindly ignore this story.

 

answering to the observation of rhoda reporter, there is some part

truth that when these puranas were translated into local languages

and in english and even when they were taught by word of mouth, there

was some male chauvinism. the book manusmriti looks so primitive and

biased towards men that some political parties like bahujan samaj

party have demanded a ban on it.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

 

vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM

<munisevitham wrote:

>

> Namaste,

> It explains why all religions without any exceptions considered

women as sacred pookisha in a family and were kept under limited

democracy ;could be seen from the modern history, till the beginning

of 20th century all most all countries denied franchise them.

>

> Rhoda Reporter <rhodes10

wrote: thanks, i enjoyed reading this

bit about women's nature.

> hope in my next birth i am a male!!

> that is if i am to be re born.

> although i am a female i almost agree with what is written

> do forgive me dear ladies!!

> rr

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

> dear friends

>

> following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature "

from

> uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in

> volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published

by

> motilalbanarsidas.

>

> ============quote============

> vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was

> mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

>

> sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is,

> listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women

are

> lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment

> towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the

> conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an

> apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was

> wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel

> pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for

the

> benefit of the world.

>

> pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

>

> this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women

> with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within

the

> limits of decency.

> there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> women are at the root of all sins.

> they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of

great

> comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities

for

> erring, they do not wait.

> this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to

> sinful men casting off all shame and shyness.

> women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

approach

> them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

> decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

> because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid

of

> their husbands.

> even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious

women

> who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

> beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked

> after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men,

imbeciles

> and dwarfs.

> they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with

> solicitations of lust.

> if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge

in

> abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by

> their husbands.

> women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are

afraid

> of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

imprisoned.

> because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are

> fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even

to

> an intelligent man.

> fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean

is

> not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death

is

> not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

> satiated with the number of men they cohabit with.

> there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a

man

> their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

perfumed

> with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude

like

> water dripping from a leather bag.

> women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love,

> who may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple

loves

> and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love

> purused by them with other men.

> women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together

> viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

> sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were

> created by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

>

> sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned

by

> a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

> detachment do you wish to hear.

> =============unquote=========

>

> the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates

> this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada

narrating

> this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other

puranas.

> many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who

are

> interested in liberation and detachment from women.

>

> members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

pativratas

> brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that

a

> pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of

a

> pativrata.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

>

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dear sreenadhji

 

your observation as man and woman both equal is correct and i too

preach the same.

 

but this narration by the sages is intended for a specific target

audience i.e. those who seek liberation and detachment from women.

 

almost all members of this group are grihasthas and wish attachment

from women and hence they may ignore this story.

 

this particular story narrated by a woman apsara is oft preached by

celibate sages who advise their disciples to get liberated from the

maya and detachment from women and to gain control over body and

mind. even bhishma reminds this story in mahabharata.

 

hence members may view this as the curriculum of detachment and

liberation school.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear Arjun ji,

> Women's nature is complementary to men's. Women's are more

> loving, very earthly and the embodiment of all the soft qualities

that

> make us human. Men are usually power hungry, egotic, looking at

long

> distance forgetting the earth below his own feet (remember all the

daily

> discussions about world politics but forgetting to get the necessary

> material from shop to prepare the daily food of the day). We need to

> become more womanly (means more humane) to enjoy the fruits of

happiness

> provided by this very earth - the mother earth. I am truly in favor

of

> them - and of course being a man not at all against the dreaming,

hard

> working, believing in the rule 'survival of the of the fittest'

kind of

> arrogant male nature as well. Both of them are complementary and

will

> remain so - yes, similar to astrology exception too are always

present

> among both men and women, defying all definitions and categorizing

> efforts. May be we should accept man-women or women-man as he is -

and

> know that one cannot be separate from other. Or better know the

fact

> that there is neither true man or true women but only man-women and

> women-man; all Ardha-nareewaras having both male and female nature

> within – and may be that is the way to perfection. :)

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

> , " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> >

> > following is taken from the 24th chapter titled " women's nature "

from

> > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in

> > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published

by

> > motilalbanarsidas.

> >

> > ============quote============

> > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was

> > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

> >

> > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is,

> > listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women

are

> > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment

> > towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> > liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the

> > conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an

> > apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was

> > wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel

> > pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for

the

> > benefit of the world.

> >

> > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

> >

> > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women

> > with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within

the

> > limits of decency.

> > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> > women are at the root of all sins.

> > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of

great

> > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities

for

> > erring, they do not wait.

> > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to

> > sinful men casting off all shame and shyness.

> > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

approach

> > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

> > decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

> > because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid

of

> > their husbands.

> > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious

women

> > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

> > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked

> > after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men,

imbeciles

> > and dwarfs.

> > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with

> > solicitations of lust.

> > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge

in

> > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by

> > their husbands.

> > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are

afraid

> > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

imprisoned.

> > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are

> > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even

to

> > an intelligent man.

> > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean

is

> > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death

is

> > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

> > satiated with the number of men they cohabit with.

> > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a

man

> > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

perfumed

> > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude

like

> > water dripping from a leather bag.

> > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love,

> > who may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple

loves

> > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love

> > purused by them with other men.

> > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together

> > viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

> > sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were

> > created by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

> >

> > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned

by

> > a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

> > detachment do you wish to hear.

> > =============unquote=========

> >

> > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates

> > this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada

narrating

> > this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other

puranas.

> > many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who

are

> > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

> >

> > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

pativratas

> > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that

a

> > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of

a

> > pativrata.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> >

>

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dear friends

 

following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " from

uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in

volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by

motilalbanarsidas.

 

============quote============

vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was

mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

 

sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, listen

to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment towards

them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire liberation. in

this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of

narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly while

the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds he

saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her to

narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world.

 

pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

 

this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women with

husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the limits

of decency.

there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

women are at the root of all sins.

they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great

comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for

erring, they do not wait.

this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to sinful

men casting off all shame and shyness.

women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach

them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional decency.

if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because no man

makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their husbands.

even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women

who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked after

with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and

dwarfs.

they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with

solicitations of lust.

if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in

abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by their

husbands.

women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid

of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned.

because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are

fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to an

intelligent man.

fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is

not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is

not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not satiated

with the number of men they cohabit with.

there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man

their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed

with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like

water dripping from a leather bag.

women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, who

may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves

and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love purused

by them with other men.

women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together viz.

god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp edge

of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were created

by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

 

sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by a

woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

detachment do you wish to hear.

=============unquote=========

 

the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates this

for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating this

story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. many

sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are

interested in liberation and detachment from women.

 

members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas

brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a

pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a

pativrata.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

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Hi All,

 

I have a questions here. If Women is the root cause of all sins, what about

" PARVATHI " the wife of LORD SIVA,

 

Why HE did not leave parvathi (if considered Women as the root cause of all

sins) & why HE did TAPASSU for her for ages, when she burnt herself with her

" YOGAAGNI " after DAKSHA YAGNAM? Is he MAD of WOMAN (PARVATHI)?

 

and what is the meaning of " ARDHANARESWARA " avatar. Is it because SIVA did not

have (or dont have) proper knowledge on " root cause of all Sins " ? being a

destroyer of all Sins.....

 

I think SANYASAM is a state where you leave all your desires on this material

world and attain a good state of mind where you can concentrate wholly on GOD

...may be SIVA, DEVI, VISHU, LAKSHMI, BRAHMA PADARTHAM.....etc.....

 

We do not need to say that " Women is the root cause of all sins " just " TO HAVE

LIBERATION AND DETACHMENT FROM WOMEN " .

 

We even can live with wife, mother, sister in SANYASA DIKSHA if we can attain a

state where you can leave all material desires and concentrate on GOD. And

importantly, SANYASA DIKSHA is not ONLY for MEN, even WOMEN can take it.

 

Or do you mean " SEX " is " SIN " . In that case, even the great incarnations of the

GOD, like RAMA, KRISHNA have done this sin.... or are we thinking that we are

greater than those incarnations?????? and other thing is we all were born

because our parents did that sin (Sorry guys).

So if that SIN was not performed where we were???????.

 

So what I want to say here is SEE GOD IN EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD. I MEAN

EVERYTHING.

 

Please mind that I am a male and have read some puranas and I do MANTRA & TANTRA

as part of my religious activities.

Also please mind that I am not against to any puranas...just trying to

understand things better..

 

Thanks,

Madhu Maddali.

 

 

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004

vedic astrology

Friday, 1 February, 2008 5:54:44 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: women's nature

 

dear friends

 

puranas remain the same puranas with same holiness and reverence even

if their stories and morales are outdated according some new

generation thinking.

 

similarly some rules and codes and principles mentioned in old

testament of the bible looks primitive to modern man but the old

testament is as holy as new testament and is part and parcel of the

holy bible.

 

just because generations and habits have changed, we dont change the

holy books like we change our country's constitution.

 

kindly note that this narration is from a woman, that too an apsara.

 

above all, this narration is narrated ONLY TO THOSE TARGET AUDIENCE

WHO WISH TO HAVE LIBERATION AND DETACHMENT FROM WOMEN. to all those

others who wish to be attached to women and dont want detachment or

liberation, they may kindly ignore this story.

 

answering to the observation of rhoda reporter, there is some part

truth that when these puranas were translated into local languages

and in english and even when they were taught by word of mouth, there

was some male chauvinism. the book manusmriti looks so primitive and

biased towards men that some political parties like bahujan samaj

party have demanded a ban on it.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy .com

 

vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM

<munisevitham@ ...> wrote:

>

> Namaste,

> It explains why all religions without any exceptions considered

women as sacred pookisha in a family and were kept under limited

democracy ;could be seen from the modern history, till the beginning

of 20th century all most all countries denied franchise them.

>

> Rhoda Reporter <rhodes10@.. .>

wrote: thanks, i enjoyed reading this

bit about women's nature.

> hope in my next birth i am a male!!

> that is if i am to be re born.

> although i am a female i almost agree with what is written

> do forgive me dear ladies!!

> rr

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:

> dear friends

>

> following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature "

from

> uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in

> volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published

by

> motilalbanarsidas.

>

> ============ quote==== ========

> vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was

> mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

>

> sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is,

> listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women

are

> lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment

> towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the

> conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an

> apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was

> wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel

> pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for

the

> benefit of the world.

>

> pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

>

> this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women

> with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within

the

> limits of decency.

> there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> women are at the root of all sins.

> they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of

great

> comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities

for

> erring, they do not wait.

> this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to

> sinful men casting off all shame and shyness.

> women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

approach

> them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

> decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

> because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid

of

> their husbands.

> even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious

women

> who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

> beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked

> after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men,

imbeciles

> and dwarfs.

> they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with

> solicitations of lust.

> if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge

in

> abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by

> their husbands.

> women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are

afraid

> of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

imprisoned.

> because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are

> fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even

to

> an intelligent man.

> fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean

is

> not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death

is

> not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

> satiated with the number of men they cohabit with.

> there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a

man

> their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

perfumed

> with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude

like

> water dripping from a leather bag.

> women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love,

> who may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple

loves

> and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love

> purused by them with other men.

> women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together

> viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

> sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were

> created by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

>

> sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned

by

> a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

> detachment do you wish to hear.

> ============ =unquote= ========

>

> the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates

> this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada

narrating

> this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other

puranas.

> many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who

are

> interested in liberation and detachment from women.

>

> members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

pativratas

> brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that

a

> pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of

a

> pativrata.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy .com

>

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Shri Panditji,

 

Pranam,

 

Your post was a good one. I do not mean to

interfere in your postings, but this was again

a negative reflection on women. I think

as a good wellwisher, you would allow me

to say this. You have always guided me well

with your advises, including advise to give

free service and readings for requests

coming on the Forums,

due to which I have received lots of

accolades, gifts from God, and the

admiration and respect of the natives who

have been answered, and last but not the

least, contenetment and peace at heart,

due to this helping people.

 

In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate

these well meant advises. What text has

been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita'

I have read worser artciles on women from

venerated men of the past. But what is the

actual purport of displaying this negativity, in

Your mail, I quite did not understand.

I suppose, most of us who have associated

with women at close quarters, know about these

qualities of the women, which

is generalised and not categorised. I did

not understand why we have to display these

factors and show them in negative light.

Instead if you had spoken of the good

qualities of the Panch Kanyas-

Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and

Mandodari, it would have been much better

reading.

 

I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted

mails as this one and the last one by you, on

Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder

whats up.

 

I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope

readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware

of all the happennings and keeping update

because Net access has to be kept on,

due to my other diversified business interests,

which you are well aware of, so automatically

I get the mails from the Forums where I have

done Individual subscription, and then cannot

force myself, not to read them. Hence I read

the mails appearing on this and few other

Forums.

 

kind regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friends

>

> following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature "

from

> uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in

> volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published

by

> motilalbanarsidas.

>

> ============quote============

> vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was

> mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

>

> sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is,

listen

> to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

> lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment

towards

> them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

liberation. in

> this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of

> narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly

while

> the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds

he

> saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her

to

> narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world.

>

> pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

>

> this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women

with

> husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the

limits

> of decency.

> there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> women are at the root of all sins.

> they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of

great

> comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities

for

> erring, they do not wait.

> this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to

sinful

> men casting off all shame and shyness.

> women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

approach

> them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

decency.

> if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because no

man

> makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their

husbands.

> even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious

women

> who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

> beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked

after

> with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and

> dwarfs.

> they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with

> solicitations of lust.

> if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge

in

> abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by

their

> husbands.

> women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are

afraid

> of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

imprisoned.

> because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are

> fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even

to an

> intelligent man.

> fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean

is

> not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death

is

> not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

satiated

> with the number of men they cohabit with.

> there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a

man

> their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

perfumed

> with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude

like

> water dripping from a leather bag.

> women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love,

who

> may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple

loves

> and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love

purused

> by them with other men.

> women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together

viz.

> god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp

edge

> of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were

created

> by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

>

> sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned

by a

> woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

> detachment do you wish to hear.

> =============unquote=========

>

> the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates

this

> for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating

this

> story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas.

many

> sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are

> interested in liberation and detachment from women.

>

> members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

pativratas

> brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that

a

> pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of

a

> pativrata.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

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dear bhaskarji

 

thanks for your feedback.

 

for the sake of clarity, the objective of my mail is to positively

praise the power of a pativrata like brinda and tulasi whose stories

i wrote earlier. the concluding line of my mail says that since i

wrote a couple of mails earlier on the power of a pativrata and how

rare a pativrata is and how powerful a pativrata is so much so that

even gods are afraid of her and such great pativratas have the power

even to curse the gods. some members may wonder how a pativrata is

more powerful to curse even the lords. those members shall realise

that a pativrata is rarest of rare in which context the nature of

women is narrated by the sages to those who approached these sages

seeking liberation and detachment from women.

 

hope now there is some clarity on why the sages have narrated this

story and who are their target audience viz. those sages or saints

who seek liberation and detachment from women. for those living in

grihastha and not pursuing detachment from women or liberation, they

may simply ignore this.

 

as regards rama issue earlier, if you remember you were opining that

it was sreenadh's mistake of saying negatively on rama whereas i was

saying that there is no fault of sreenadh since he merely reproduced

what is written in the valmiki ramayana.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

>

> Shri Panditji,

>

> Pranam,

>

> Your post was a good one. I do not mean to

> interfere in your postings, but this was again

> a negative reflection on women. I think

> as a good wellwisher, you would allow me

> to say this. You have always guided me well

> with your advises, including advise to give

> free service and readings for requests

> coming on the Forums,

> due to which I have received lots of

> accolades, gifts from God, and the

> admiration and respect of the natives who

> have been answered, and last but not the

> least, contenetment and peace at heart,

> due to this helping people.

>

> In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate

> these well meant advises. What text has

> been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita'

> I have read worser artciles on women from

> venerated men of the past. But what is the

> actual purport of displaying this negativity, in

> Your mail, I quite did not understand.

> I suppose, most of us who have associated

> with women at close quarters, know about these

> qualities of the women, which

> is generalised and not categorised. I did

> not understand why we have to display these

> factors and show them in negative light.

> Instead if you had spoken of the good

> qualities of the Panch Kanyas-

> Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and

> Mandodari, it would have been much better

> reading.

>

> I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted

> mails as this one and the last one by you, on

> Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder

> whats up.

>

> I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope

> readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware

> of all the happennings and keeping update

> because Net access has to be kept on,

> due to my other diversified business interests,

> which you are well aware of, so automatically

> I get the mails from the Forums where I have

> done Individual subscription, and then cannot

> force myself, not to read them. Hence I read

> the mails appearing on this and few other

> Forums.

>

> kind regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

, " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> >

> > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature "

> from

> > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available

in

> > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published

> by

> > motilalbanarsidas.

> >

> > ============quote============

> > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what

was

> > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

> >

> > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is,

> listen

> > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

> > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment

> towards

> > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> liberation. in

> > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of

> > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly

> while

> > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds

> he

> > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her

> to

> > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world.

> >

> > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

> >

> > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women

> with

> > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the

> limits

> > of decency.

> > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> > women are at the root of all sins.

> > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of

> great

> > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities

> for

> > erring, they do not wait.

> > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to

> sinful

> > men casting off all shame and shyness.

> > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

> approach

> > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

> decency.

> > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because

no

> man

> > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their

> husbands.

> > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious

> women

> > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

> > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked

> after

> > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and

> > dwarfs.

> > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with

> > solicitations of lust.

> > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge

> in

> > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by

> their

> > husbands.

> > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are

> afraid

> > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

> imprisoned.

> > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they

are

> > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even

> to an

> > intelligent man.

> > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean

> is

> > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death

> is

> > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

> satiated

> > with the number of men they cohabit with.

> > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a

> man

> > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

> perfumed

> > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude

> like

> > water dripping from a leather bag.

> > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they

love,

> who

> > may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple

> loves

> > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love

> purused

> > by them with other men.

> > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together

> viz.

> > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp

> edge

> > of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were

> created

> > by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

> >

> > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned

> by a

> > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

> > detachment do you wish to hear.

> > =============unquote=========

> >

> > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma

narrates

> this

> > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating

> this

> > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas.

> many

> > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are

> > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

> >

> > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

> pativratas

> > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that

> a

> > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of

> a

> > pativrata.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

>

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Dear Shri Panditji,

 

Few Observations-

 

1) there are many pativrata stris (Women)

in todays societies too, in normal middle

class households,more than we may know,

who mantain their dignity amongst assaults

of poverty,materialstic wants unfulfilled,

and weight of too many responsibilities

on their nimble delicate shoulders.

 

2) It is a mistake if one may think that

Grihastas are supposed to persue

detachment from women to gain

liberation. It is not only from

women but from all desires and

attractions, that one grihasta or any

one who has taken sanyaas, both can think

of gaining liberation. In fact unless the

requisite of male-female bonding is not made

one cannot even think of Liberation-

Why ? because he would not have been born

in the first place. One cannot produce

detachment from his mother and hope to gain

liberation . Can he ? Cause his mother

too is a women. The norms of detachment have

to be the same for oth Sanyasi and Grihasta,

except that the Grihasta would be bound

by his duties to deliver,which on the contrary

would accelerate the liberation, if done

selflessly and with detachment to the results.

 

3) If this article was meant for the target

audience for Sahes and Mahatmas who in yore

had to gain lberation through detachment from the

women, then what is this article doing here on this

Forum ? Who is a sage or Mahatma over here ?

 

4) Sreenadh was certainly wrong, and so were you

by siding with his wrong translation,

and not reproducing of the Sanskrit shlokas,

which was rectfied beautfully, by Shri Narsimha

Rao, whose post was copied pasted here by someone,

and which originally appeared in the " Jyotish Group " .

Every word,phrase and meaning, of the wriong

translation by Sreenadh was set right by Shri

Narsimha ji.,which post you seem to have missed

or forgotten.

 

5) Women are great. We men spoil them. We wish

them to love us fiercely in our selfish

possession, which love when does not

come forth, dissappoints and causes great wars.

Without women man would nowhere be.

See them together and you seethe dualities

merging into one another and forming a whole

Wo+men = Women

Women can contain a man, but man cannot contain

a women.

We have to Love them, respect them, for thousands

of their qualities which are nought - in us.

 

I personally cannot Live without a women.

Let her be in Form of Shakti Maa, Durga,

Parvati or Lakshmi or Saraswati, whichever form,

but I need a women in my Life to talk with,

to share my pains, to look upto, to seek blessings,

for comfort.

 

What is Life without the female essence ? Zero.

 

Anyway.......

 

kind regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear bhaskarji

>

> thanks for your feedback.

>

> for the sake of clarity, the objective of my mail is to positively

> praise the power of a pativrata like brinda and tulasi whose

stories

> i wrote earlier. the concluding line of my mail says that since i

> wrote a couple of mails earlier on the power of a pativrata and

how

> rare a pativrata is and how powerful a pativrata is so much so

that

> even gods are afraid of her and such great pativratas have the

power

> even to curse the gods. some members may wonder how a pativrata

is

> more powerful to curse even the lords. those members shall

realise

> that a pativrata is rarest of rare in which context the nature of

> women is narrated by the sages to those who approached these sages

> seeking liberation and detachment from women.

>

> hope now there is some clarity on why the sages have narrated this

> story and who are their target audience viz. those sages or saints

> who seek liberation and detachment from women. for those living

in

> grihastha and not pursuing detachment from women or liberation,

they

> may simply ignore this.

>

> as regards rama issue earlier, if you remember you were opining

that

> it was sreenadh's mistake of saying negatively on rama whereas i

was

> saying that there is no fault of sreenadh since he merely

reproduced

> what is written in the valmiki ramayana.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Shri Panditji,

> >

> > Pranam,

> >

> > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to

> > interfere in your postings, but this was again

> > a negative reflection on women. I think

> > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me

> > to say this. You have always guided me well

> > with your advises, including advise to give

> > free service and readings for requests

> > coming on the Forums,

> > due to which I have received lots of

> > accolades, gifts from God, and the

> > admiration and respect of the natives who

> > have been answered, and last but not the

> > least, contenetment and peace at heart,

> > due to this helping people.

> >

> > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate

> > these well meant advises. What text has

> > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita'

> > I have read worser artciles on women from

> > venerated men of the past. But what is the

> > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in

> > Your mail, I quite did not understand.

> > I suppose, most of us who have associated

> > with women at close quarters, know about these

> > qualities of the women, which

> > is generalised and not categorised. I did

> > not understand why we have to display these

> > factors and show them in negative light.

> > Instead if you had spoken of the good

> > qualities of the Panch Kanyas-

> > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and

> > Mandodari, it would have been much better

> > reading.

> >

> > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted

> > mails as this one and the last one by you, on

> > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder

> > whats up.

> >

> > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope

> > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware

> > of all the happennings and keeping update

> > because Net access has to be kept on,

> > due to my other diversified business interests,

> > which you are well aware of, so automatically

> > I get the mails from the Forums where I have

> > done Individual subscription, and then cannot

> > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read

> > the mails appearing on this and few other

> > Forums.

> >

> > kind regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friends

> > >

> > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's

nature "

> > from

> > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is

available

> in

> > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554

published

> > by

> > > motilalbanarsidas.

> > >

> > > ============quote============

> > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what

> was

> > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

> > >

> > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it

is,

> > listen

> > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

> > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles.

attachment

> > towards

> > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> > liberation. in

> > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation

of

> > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara).

formerly

> > while

> > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the

worlds

> > he

> > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes

her

> > to

> > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world.

> > >

> > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

> > >

> > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families,

women

> > with

> > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the

> > limits

> > > of decency.

> > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> > > women are at the root of all sins.

> > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth,

of

> > great

> > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get

opportunities

> > for

> > > erring, they do not wait.

> > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort

to

> > sinful

> > > men casting off all shame and shyness.

> > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

> > approach

> > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

> > decency.

> > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

because

> no

> > man

> > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their

> > husbands.

> > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious

> > women

> > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

> > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and

looked

> > after

> > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles

and

> > > dwarfs.

> > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women

with

> > > solicitations of lust.

> > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to

indulge

> > in

> > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad

by

> > their

> > > husbands.

> > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are

> > afraid

> > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

> > imprisoned.

> > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they

> are

> > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible

even

> > to an

> > > intelligent man.

> > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the

ocean

> > is

> > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of

death

> > is

> > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

> > satiated

> > > with the number of men they cohabit with.

> > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on

seeing a

> > man

> > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

> > perfumed

> > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to

exude

> > like

> > > water dripping from a leather bag.

> > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they

> love,

> > who

> > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with

simple

> > loves

> > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit

love

> > purused

> > > by them with other men.

> > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put

together

> > viz.

> > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

sharp

> > edge

> > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women

were

> > created

> > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

> > >

> > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as

mentioned

> > by a

> > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

> > > detachment do you wish to hear.

> > > =============unquote=========

> > >

> > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma

> narrates

> > this

> > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada

narrating

> > this

> > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other

puranas.

> > many

> > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are

> > > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

> > >

> > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

> > pativratas

> > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight

that

> > a

> > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid

of

> > a

> > > pativrata.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > >

> >

>

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dear bhaskarji

 

thanks for your positive feedback.

 

your observation is true that grihasthas cannot detach from women as

they are in families. rather grihasthas shall not even contemple of

detachment since they have bounden duties towards their dependants.

most members of this group are grihasthas and even the natives come

often for getting married, having a happy married life etc. hence

this subject of liberation and detachment from women may find few

takers here but the objective of the mail was praising the pativratas

who exist even today as you mentioned which is why our motherland is

withstanding the tsunamis, earthquakes and terrorist attacks.

 

rajneeshji used to preach that first a native must have bhog only

after which he would understand what he is going to tyaag.

 

unfortunatley i missed narasimhaji's translation in the other groups

where i am inactive. let me now revisit those groups and mails and

update myself. in fact this is one reason why i read both english

and sanskrit books myself before pasting a story from a classic.

anyway since sreenadhji understood the hurt feelings and removed that

file and closed that thread, you too may forget that issue.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Panditji,

>

> Few Observations-

>

> 1) there are many pativrata stris (Women)

> in todays societies too, in normal middle

> class households,more than we may know,

> who mantain their dignity amongst assaults

> of poverty,materialstic wants unfulfilled,

> and weight of too many responsibilities

> on their nimble delicate shoulders.

>

> 2) It is a mistake if one may think that

> Grihastas are supposed to persue

> detachment from women to gain

> liberation. It is not only from

> women but from all desires and

> attractions, that one grihasta or any

> one who has taken sanyaas, both can think

> of gaining liberation. In fact unless the

> requisite of male-female bonding is not made

> one cannot even think of Liberation-

> Why ? because he would not have been born

> in the first place. One cannot produce

> detachment from his mother and hope to gain

> liberation . Can he ? Cause his mother

> too is a women. The norms of detachment have

> to be the same for oth Sanyasi and Grihasta,

> except that the Grihasta would be bound

> by his duties to deliver,which on the contrary

> would accelerate the liberation, if done

> selflessly and with detachment to the results.

>

> 3) If this article was meant for the target

> audience for Sahes and Mahatmas who in yore

> had to gain lberation through detachment from the

> women, then what is this article doing here on this

> Forum ? Who is a sage or Mahatma over here ?

>

> 4) Sreenadh was certainly wrong, and so were you

> by siding with his wrong translation,

> and not reproducing of the Sanskrit shlokas,

> which was rectfied beautfully, by Shri Narsimha

> Rao, whose post was copied pasted here by someone,

> and which originally appeared in the " Jyotish Group " .

> Every word,phrase and meaning, of the wriong

> translation by Sreenadh was set right by Shri

> Narsimha ji.,which post you seem to have missed

> or forgotten.

>

> 5) Women are great. We men spoil them. We wish

> them to love us fiercely in our selfish

> possession, which love when does not

> come forth, dissappoints and causes great wars.

> Without women man would nowhere be.

> See them together and you seethe dualities

> merging into one another and forming a whole

> Wo+men = Women

> Women can contain a man, but man cannot contain

> a women.

> We have to Love them, respect them, for thousands

> of their qualities which are nought - in us.

>

> I personally cannot Live without a women.

> Let her be in Form of Shakti Maa, Durga,

> Parvati or Lakshmi or Saraswati, whichever form,

> but I need a women in my Life to talk with,

> to share my pains, to look upto, to seek blessings,

> for comfort.

>

> What is Life without the female essence ? Zero.

>

> Anyway.......

>

> kind regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

, " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear bhaskarji

> >

> > thanks for your feedback.

> >

> > for the sake of clarity, the objective of my mail is to

positively

> > praise the power of a pativrata like brinda and tulasi whose

> stories

> > i wrote earlier. the concluding line of my mail says that since

i

> > wrote a couple of mails earlier on the power of a pativrata and

> how

> > rare a pativrata is and how powerful a pativrata is so much so

> that

> > even gods are afraid of her and such great pativratas have the

> power

> > even to curse the gods. some members may wonder how a pativrata

> is

> > more powerful to curse even the lords. those members shall

> realise

> > that a pativrata is rarest of rare in which context the nature of

> > women is narrated by the sages to those who approached these

sages

> > seeking liberation and detachment from women.

> >

> > hope now there is some clarity on why the sages have narrated

this

> > story and who are their target audience viz. those sages or

saints

> > who seek liberation and detachment from women. for those living

> in

> > grihastha and not pursuing detachment from women or liberation,

> they

> > may simply ignore this.

> >

> > as regards rama issue earlier, if you remember you were opining

> that

> > it was sreenadh's mistake of saying negatively on rama whereas i

> was

> > saying that there is no fault of sreenadh since he merely

> reproduced

> > what is written in the valmiki ramayana.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Shri Panditji,

> > >

> > > Pranam,

> > >

> > > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to

> > > interfere in your postings, but this was again

> > > a negative reflection on women. I think

> > > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me

> > > to say this. You have always guided me well

> > > with your advises, including advise to give

> > > free service and readings for requests

> > > coming on the Forums,

> > > due to which I have received lots of

> > > accolades, gifts from God, and the

> > > admiration and respect of the natives who

> > > have been answered, and last but not the

> > > least, contenetment and peace at heart,

> > > due to this helping people.

> > >

> > > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate

> > > these well meant advises. What text has

> > > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita'

> > > I have read worser artciles on women from

> > > venerated men of the past. But what is the

> > > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in

> > > Your mail, I quite did not understand.

> > > I suppose, most of us who have associated

> > > with women at close quarters, know about these

> > > qualities of the women, which

> > > is generalised and not categorised. I did

> > > not understand why we have to display these

> > > factors and show them in negative light.

> > > Instead if you had spoken of the good

> > > qualities of the Panch Kanyas-

> > > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and

> > > Mandodari, it would have been much better

> > > reading.

> > >

> > > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted

> > > mails as this one and the last one by you, on

> > > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder

> > > whats up.

> > >

> > > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope

> > > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware

> > > of all the happennings and keeping update

> > > because Net access has to be kept on,

> > > due to my other diversified business interests,

> > > which you are well aware of, so automatically

> > > I get the mails from the Forums where I have

> > > done Individual subscription, and then cannot

> > > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read

> > > the mails appearing on this and few other

> > > Forums.

> > >

> > > kind regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear friends

> > > >

> > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's

> nature "

> > > from

> > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is

> available

> > in

> > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554

> published

> > > by

> > > > motilalbanarsidas.

> > > >

> > > > ============quote============

> > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly

what

> > was

> > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

> > > >

> > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it

> is,

> > > listen

> > > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

> > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles.

> attachment

> > > towards

> > > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> > > liberation. in

> > > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the

conversation

> of

> > > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara).

> formerly

> > > while

> > > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the

> worlds

> > > he

> > > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes

> her

> > > to

> > > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world.

> > > >

> > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

> > > >

> > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families,

> women

> > > with

> > > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within

the

> > > limits

> > > > of decency.

> > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> > > > women are at the root of all sins.

> > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth,

> of

> > > great

> > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get

> opportunities

> > > for

> > > > erring, they do not wait.

> > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort

> to

> > > sinful

> > > > men casting off all shame and shyness.

> > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

> > > approach

> > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

> > > decency.

> > > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

> because

> > no

> > > man

> > > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their

> > > husbands.

> > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of

lascivious

> > > women

> > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments

and

> > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and

> looked

> > > after

> > > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles

> and

> > > > dwarfs.

> > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women

> with

> > > > solicitations of lust.

> > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to

> indulge

> > > in

> > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad

> by

> > > their

> > > > husbands.

> > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they

are

> > > afraid

> > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

> > > imprisoned.

> > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please

they

> > are

> > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible

> even

> > > to an

> > > > intelligent man.

> > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the

> ocean

> > > is

> > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of

> death

> > > is

> > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are

not

> > > satiated

> > > > with the number of men they cohabit with.

> > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on

> seeing a

> > > man

> > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

> > > perfumed

> > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to

> exude

> > > like

> > > > water dripping from a leather bag.

> > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they

> > love,

> > > who

> > > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with

> simple

> > > loves

> > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit

> love

> > > purused

> > > > by them with other men.

> > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put

> together

> > > viz.

> > > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

> sharp

> > > edge

> > > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women

> were

> > > created

> > > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

> > > >

> > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as

> mentioned

> > > by a

> > > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause

of

> > > > detachment do you wish to hear.

> > > > =============unquote=========

> > > >

> > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma

> > narrates

> > > this

> > > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada

> narrating

> > > this

> > > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other

> puranas.

> > > many

> > > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who

are

> > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

> > > >

> > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

> > > pativratas

> > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight

> that

> > > a

> > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are

afraid

> of

> > > a

> > > > pativrata.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Namaste..

 

Bhaskar ji good observations and well said..

 

Panditji, though I understand your intentions are noble trying to

present the powerfulness of pativarta woman, but generalising womens

nature in such poor light is not helpful, be it that it was in the

purans of thousands of years ago.. Vulnerable individuals can use it

to justify greater astroscities towards women.. Woman were taken as

throphies in battles etc.. Not many will appreciate that those times

very different, women were helpless victims, whose rights and views

were not even entertained or sought.. they lives had been one of

bondage and servitude, no more than domesticated animals..

 

The 5 digits on the same hand are all different in shape, size or

length and placement, yet each digit is valuable and if any is hurt,

the pain is the same and real. Generalising about any gender or race

or colour etc is not fair nor helpful

 

Men need guidance for obtaining detachment from women?? What does it

say about men??

 

As I understand, the detachment should be from lust.. not women..

 

 

A liberated individual see the whole world as God's creation, every

living and non living thing is loved,respected, appreciated and s/he

is impartial.. S/He has divine love for all, men, women, child,

elderly, animals and enviroment, except there isnt the attachment to

anyone or anything. His love is totally unconditional and for

everyone.

 

 

Regards

Sheevani

 

 

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Panditji,

>

> Few Observations-

>

> 1) there are many pativrata stris (Women)

> in todays societies too, in normal middle

> class households,more than we may know,

> who mantain their dignity amongst assaults

> of poverty,materialstic wants unfulfilled,

> and weight of too many responsibilities

> on their nimble delicate shoulders.

>

> 2) It is a mistake if one may think that

> Grihastas are supposed to persue

> detachment from women to gain

> liberation. It is not only from

> women but from all desires and

> attractions, that one grihasta or any

> one who has taken sanyaas, both can think

> of gaining liberation. In fact unless the

> requisite of male-female bonding is not made

> one cannot even think of Liberation-

> Why ? because he would not have been born

> in the first place. One cannot produce

> detachment from his mother and hope to gain

> liberation . Can he ? Cause his mother

> too is a women. The norms of detachment have

> to be the same for oth Sanyasi and Grihasta,

> except that the Grihasta would be bound

> by his duties to deliver,which on the contrary

> would accelerate the liberation, if done

> selflessly and with detachment to the results.

>

> 3) If this article was meant for the target

> audience for Sahes and Mahatmas who in yore

> had to gain lberation through detachment from the

> women, then what is this article doing here on this

> Forum ? Who is a sage or Mahatma over here ?

>

> 4) Sreenadh was certainly wrong, and so were you

> by siding with his wrong translation,

> and not reproducing of the Sanskrit shlokas,

> which was rectfied beautfully, by Shri Narsimha

> Rao, whose post was copied pasted here by someone,

> and which originally appeared in the " Jyotish Group " .

> Every word,phrase and meaning, of the wriong

> translation by Sreenadh was set right by Shri

> Narsimha ji.,which post you seem to have missed

> or forgotten.

>

> 5) Women are great. We men spoil them. We wish

> them to love us fiercely in our selfish

> possession, which love when does not

> come forth, dissappoints and causes great wars.

> Without women man would nowhere be.

> See them together and you seethe dualities

> merging into one another and forming a whole

> Wo+men = Women

> Women can contain a man, but man cannot contain

> a women.

> We have to Love them, respect them, for thousands

> of their qualities which are nought - in us.

>

> I personally cannot Live without a women.

> Let her be in Form of Shakti Maa, Durga,

> Parvati or Lakshmi or Saraswati, whichever form,

> but I need a women in my Life to talk with,

> to share my pains, to look upto, to seek blessings,

> for comfort.

>

> What is Life without the female essence ? Zero.

>

> Anyway.......

>

> kind regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

, " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear bhaskarji

> >

> > thanks for your feedback.

> >

> > for the sake of clarity, the objective of my mail is to

positively

> > praise the power of a pativrata like brinda and tulasi whose

> stories

> > i wrote earlier. the concluding line of my mail says that since

i

> > wrote a couple of mails earlier on the power of a pativrata and

> how

> > rare a pativrata is and how powerful a pativrata is so much so

> that

> > even gods are afraid of her and such great pativratas have the

> power

> > even to curse the gods. some members may wonder how a pativrata

> is

> > more powerful to curse even the lords. those members shall

> realise

> > that a pativrata is rarest of rare in which context the nature of

> > women is narrated by the sages to those who approached these

sages

> > seeking liberation and detachment from women.

> >

> > hope now there is some clarity on why the sages have narrated

this

> > story and who are their target audience viz. those sages or

saints

> > who seek liberation and detachment from women. for those living

> in

> > grihastha and not pursuing detachment from women or liberation,

> they

> > may simply ignore this.

> >

> > as regards rama issue earlier, if you remember you were opining

> that

> > it was sreenadh's mistake of saying negatively on rama whereas i

> was

> > saying that there is no fault of sreenadh since he merely

> reproduced

> > what is written in the valmiki ramayana.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Shri Panditji,

> > >

> > > Pranam,

> > >

> > > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to

> > > interfere in your postings, but this was again

> > > a negative reflection on women. I think

> > > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me

> > > to say this. You have always guided me well

> > > with your advises, including advise to give

> > > free service and readings for requests

> > > coming on the Forums,

> > > due to which I have received lots of

> > > accolades, gifts from God, and the

> > > admiration and respect of the natives who

> > > have been answered, and last but not the

> > > least, contenetment and peace at heart,

> > > due to this helping people.

> > >

> > > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate

> > > these well meant advises. What text has

> > > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita'

> > > I have read worser artciles on women from

> > > venerated men of the past. But what is the

> > > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in

> > > Your mail, I quite did not understand.

> > > I suppose, most of us who have associated

> > > with women at close quarters, know about these

> > > qualities of the women, which

> > > is generalised and not categorised. I did

> > > not understand why we have to display these

> > > factors and show them in negative light.

> > > Instead if you had spoken of the good

> > > qualities of the Panch Kanyas-

> > > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and

> > > Mandodari, it would have been much better

> > > reading.

> > >

> > > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted

> > > mails as this one and the last one by you, on

> > > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder

> > > whats up.

> > >

> > > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope

> > > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware

> > > of all the happennings and keeping update

> > > because Net access has to be kept on,

> > > due to my other diversified business interests,

> > > which you are well aware of, so automatically

> > > I get the mails from the Forums where I have

> > > done Individual subscription, and then cannot

> > > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read

> > > the mails appearing on this and few other

> > > Forums.

> > >

> > > kind regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear friends

> > > >

> > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's

> nature "

> > > from

> > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is

> available

> > in

> > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554

> published

> > > by

> > > > motilalbanarsidas.

> > > >

> > > > ============quote============

> > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly

what

> > was

> > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

> > > >

> > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it

> is,

> > > listen

> > > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

> > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles.

> attachment

> > > towards

> > > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> > > liberation. in

> > > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the

conversation

> of

> > > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara).

> formerly

> > > while

> > > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the

> worlds

> > > he

> > > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes

> her

> > > to

> > > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world.

> > > >

> > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

> > > >

> > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families,

> women

> > > with

> > > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within

the

> > > limits

> > > > of decency.

> > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> > > > women are at the root of all sins.

> > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth,

> of

> > > great

> > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get

> opportunities

> > > for

> > > > erring, they do not wait.

> > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort

> to

> > > sinful

> > > > men casting off all shame and shyness.

> > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

> > > approach

> > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

> > > decency.

> > > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

> because

> > no

> > > man

> > > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their

> > > husbands.

> > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of

lascivious

> > > women

> > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments

and

> > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and

> looked

> > > after

> > > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles

> and

> > > > dwarfs.

> > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women

> with

> > > > solicitations of lust.

> > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to

> indulge

> > > in

> > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad

> by

> > > their

> > > > husbands.

> > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they

are

> > > afraid

> > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

> > > imprisoned.

> > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please

they

> > are

> > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible

> even

> > > to an

> > > > intelligent man.

> > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the

> ocean

> > > is

> > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of

> death

> > > is

> > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are

not

> > > satiated

> > > > with the number of men they cohabit with.

> > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on

> seeing a

> > > man

> > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

> > > perfumed

> > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to

> exude

> > > like

> > > > water dripping from a leather bag.

> > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they

> > love,

> > > who

> > > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with

> simple

> > > loves

> > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit

> love

> > > purused

> > > > by them with other men.

> > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put

> together

> > > viz.

> > > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

> sharp

> > > edge

> > > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women

> were

> > > created

> > > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

> > > >

> > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as

> mentioned

> > > by a

> > > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause

of

> > > > detachment do you wish to hear.

> > > > =============unquote=========

> > > >

> > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma

> > narrates

> > > this

> > > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada

> narrating

> > > this

> > > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other

> puranas.

> > > many

> > > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who

are

> > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

> > > >

> > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

> > > pativratas

> > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight

> that

> > > a

> > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are

afraid

> of

> > > a

> > > > pativrata.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Sheevani and other readers,

 

Another factor to be seriously considered (if we believe in karma and

rebirth) is simply this:

 

Who is to say that women born today may not be the fragments of the

same soul that at one point many births ago experienced oppression?

Or the converse is true too: Those who oppressed or abused etc will

have to be born as the oppressed to realize things such as:

 

Do they dish out what they received earlier, out of vengeance?

Do they have a better understanding of why one human turns against

another?

Do they now have the full story and greater understanding of this

complex phenomenon called Human Experience?

 

I see a lot of see-sawing that goes in minds about what is fated and

what is the product of free will and rational choice and thus

personal responsibility.

 

Not that it is easy to figure out or even consistently understand

what indeed is the final Truth in all this. Many of these are emotion

driven conclusions (regardless of the moral aspect).

 

When we hear of a child being harmed, we immediately accuse the

perpetrator and deem it to be a sin and punishable act (and it would

be my first reaction too -- like the news story in Saskatchewan,

Canada where an individual was picked up with severe hypothermia and

nearly dead. After 8 hours he 'thawed' enough to enquire about his

daughters who were with him, 3 and 1 year old, a search for whom

began and both were found frozen and dead! This is an example where

our first reaction would be: What kind of a father this is who would

take his daughters out on a day like this (they are experiencing

extreme cold weather with -50 degrees celsius temperatures!) and risk

three lives? A no brainer, but who really knows what the Leela behind

all this was or about?

 

But we feel differently when we hear of an aged dictator dying.

 

Who was the bigger sinner? The distraught, stoned, dumb-witted father

whose *poor choices* led to his daughters' death? And who would

probably get life sentence for what he did?

 

Or the dictator who killed hundreds of thousands and tortured many

more for decades and then was kept alive for few more decades

until " multiple organ failures " caused a natural death and he pretty

much continued to live like a king, albeit exiled while his history

and acts shall keep thumbing their collective noses for eons to come!

 

There are hundreds and thousands of similar examples worldwide and

you would not even need to go back more than 100-200 years in history

to find those!

 

I see there a double standard in terms of morality, globally! Am I

the only one?

 

We always reach out for convenient targets as we skirt around REAL

issues!

 

Namastey!

 

RR

 

, " sheevani147 "

<sheevani147 wrote:

>

> Namaste..

>

> Bhaskar ji good observations and well said..

>

> Panditji, though I understand your intentions are noble trying to

> present the powerfulness of pativarta woman, but generalising

womens

> nature in such poor light is not helpful, be it that it was in the

> purans of thousands of years ago.. Vulnerable individuals can use

it

> to justify greater astroscities towards women.. Woman were taken as

> throphies in battles etc.. Not many will appreciate that those

times

> very different, women were helpless victims, whose rights and views

> were not even entertained or sought.. they lives had been one of

> bondage and servitude, no more than domesticated animals..

>

> The 5 digits on the same hand are all different in shape, size or

> length and placement, yet each digit is valuable and if any is

hurt,

> the pain is the same and real. Generalising about any gender or

race

> or colour etc is not fair nor helpful

>

> Men need guidance for obtaining detachment from women?? What does

it

> say about men??

>

> As I understand, the detachment should be from lust.. not women..

>

>

> A liberated individual see the whole world as God's creation, every

> living and non living thing is loved,respected, appreciated and

s/he

> is impartial.. S/He has divine love for all, men, women, child,

> elderly, animals and enviroment, except there isnt the attachment

to

> anyone or anything. His love is totally unconditional and for

> everyone.

>

>

> Regards

> Sheevani

>

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Panditji,

> >

> > Few Observations-

> >

> > 1) there are many pativrata stris (Women)

> > in todays societies too, in normal middle

> > class households,more than we may know,

> > who mantain their dignity amongst assaults

> > of poverty,materialstic wants unfulfilled,

> > and weight of too many responsibilities

> > on their nimble delicate shoulders.

> >

> > 2) It is a mistake if one may think that

> > Grihastas are supposed to persue

> > detachment from women to gain

> > liberation. It is not only from

> > women but from all desires and

> > attractions, that one grihasta or any

> > one who has taken sanyaas, both can think

> > of gaining liberation. In fact unless the

> > requisite of male-female bonding is not made

> > one cannot even think of Liberation-

> > Why ? because he would not have been born

> > in the first place. One cannot produce

> > detachment from his mother and hope to gain

> > liberation . Can he ? Cause his mother

> > too is a women. The norms of detachment have

> > to be the same for oth Sanyasi and Grihasta,

> > except that the Grihasta would be bound

> > by his duties to deliver,which on the contrary

> > would accelerate the liberation, if done

> > selflessly and with detachment to the results.

> >

> > 3) If this article was meant for the target

> > audience for Sahes and Mahatmas who in yore

> > had to gain lberation through detachment from the

> > women, then what is this article doing here on this

> > Forum ? Who is a sage or Mahatma over here ?

> >

> > 4) Sreenadh was certainly wrong, and so were you

> > by siding with his wrong translation,

> > and not reproducing of the Sanskrit shlokas,

> > which was rectfied beautfully, by Shri Narsimha

> > Rao, whose post was copied pasted here by someone,

> > and which originally appeared in the " Jyotish Group " .

> > Every word,phrase and meaning, of the wriong

> > translation by Sreenadh was set right by Shri

> > Narsimha ji.,which post you seem to have missed

> > or forgotten.

> >

> > 5) Women are great. We men spoil them. We wish

> > them to love us fiercely in our selfish

> > possession, which love when does not

> > come forth, dissappoints and causes great wars.

> > Without women man would nowhere be.

> > See them together and you seethe dualities

> > merging into one another and forming a whole

> > Wo+men = Women

> > Women can contain a man, but man cannot contain

> > a women.

> > We have to Love them, respect them, for thousands

> > of their qualities which are nought - in us.

> >

> > I personally cannot Live without a women.

> > Let her be in Form of Shakti Maa, Durga,

> > Parvati or Lakshmi or Saraswati, whichever form,

> > but I need a women in my Life to talk with,

> > to share my pains, to look upto, to seek blessings,

> > for comfort.

> >

> > What is Life without the female essence ? Zero.

> >

> > Anyway.......

> >

> > kind regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear bhaskarji

> > >

> > > thanks for your feedback.

> > >

> > > for the sake of clarity, the objective of my mail is to

> positively

> > > praise the power of a pativrata like brinda and tulasi whose

> > stories

> > > i wrote earlier. the concluding line of my mail says that

since

> i

> > > wrote a couple of mails earlier on the power of a pativrata and

> > how

> > > rare a pativrata is and how powerful a pativrata is so much so

> > that

> > > even gods are afraid of her and such great pativratas have the

> > power

> > > even to curse the gods. some members may wonder how a

pativrata

> > is

> > > more powerful to curse even the lords. those members shall

> > realise

> > > that a pativrata is rarest of rare in which context the nature

of

> > > women is narrated by the sages to those who approached these

> sages

> > > seeking liberation and detachment from women.

> > >

> > > hope now there is some clarity on why the sages have narrated

> this

> > > story and who are their target audience viz. those sages or

> saints

> > > who seek liberation and detachment from women. for those

living

> > in

> > > grihastha and not pursuing detachment from women or liberation,

> > they

> > > may simply ignore this.

> > >

> > > as regards rama issue earlier, if you remember you were opining

> > that

> > > it was sreenadh's mistake of saying negatively on rama whereas

i

> > was

> > > saying that there is no fault of sreenadh since he merely

> > reproduced

> > > what is written in the valmiki ramayana.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Shri Panditji,

> > > >

> > > > Pranam,

> > > >

> > > > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to

> > > > interfere in your postings, but this was again

> > > > a negative reflection on women. I think

> > > > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me

> > > > to say this. You have always guided me well

> > > > with your advises, including advise to give

> > > > free service and readings for requests

> > > > coming on the Forums,

> > > > due to which I have received lots of

> > > > accolades, gifts from God, and the

> > > > admiration and respect of the natives who

> > > > have been answered, and last but not the

> > > > least, contenetment and peace at heart,

> > > > due to this helping people.

> > > >

> > > > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate

> > > > these well meant advises. What text has

> > > > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita'

> > > > I have read worser artciles on women from

> > > > venerated men of the past. But what is the

> > > > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in

> > > > Your mail, I quite did not understand.

> > > > I suppose, most of us who have associated

> > > > with women at close quarters, know about these

> > > > qualities of the women, which

> > > > is generalised and not categorised. I did

> > > > not understand why we have to display these

> > > > factors and show them in negative light.

> > > > Instead if you had spoken of the good

> > > > qualities of the Panch Kanyas-

> > > > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and

> > > > Mandodari, it would have been much better

> > > > reading.

> > > >

> > > > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted

> > > > mails as this one and the last one by you, on

> > > > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder

> > > > whats up.

> > > >

> > > > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope

> > > > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware

> > > > of all the happennings and keeping update

> > > > because Net access has to be kept on,

> > > > due to my other diversified business interests,

> > > > which you are well aware of, so automatically

> > > > I get the mails from the Forums where I have

> > > > done Individual subscription, and then cannot

> > > > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read

> > > > the mails appearing on this and few other

> > > > Forums.

> > > >

> > > > kind regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear friends

> > > > >

> > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's

> > nature "

> > > > from

> > > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is

> > available

> > > in

> > > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554

> > published

> > > > by

> > > > > motilalbanarsidas.

> > > > >

> > > > > ============quote============

> > > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly

> what

> > > was

> > > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

> > > > >

> > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it

> > is,

> > > > listen

> > > > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women

are

> > > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles.

> > attachment

> > > > towards

> > > > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> > > > liberation. in

> > > > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the

> conversation

> > of

> > > > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara).

> > formerly

> > > > while

> > > > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the

> > worlds

> > > > he

> > > > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas

askes

> > her

> > > > to

> > > > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world.

> > > > >

> > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

> > > > >

> > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families,

> > women

> > > > with

> > > > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within

> the

> > > > limits

> > > > > of decency.

> > > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> > > > > women are at the root of all sins.

> > > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample

wealth,

> > of

> > > > great

> > > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get

> > opportunities

> > > > for

> > > > > erring, they do not wait.

> > > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we

resort

> > to

> > > > sinful

> > > > > men casting off all shame and shyness.

> > > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company,

who

> > > > approach

> > > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> > > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of

conventional

> > > > decency.

> > > > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

> > because

> > > no

> > > > man

> > > > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their

> > > > husbands.

> > > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of

> lascivious

> > > > women

> > > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments

> and

> > > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> > > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and

> > looked

> > > > after

> > > > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men,

imbeciles

> > and

> > > > > dwarfs.

> > > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> > > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by

women

> > with

> > > > > solicitations of lust.

> > > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to

> > indulge

> > > > in

> > > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not

stnad

> > by

> > > > their

> > > > > husbands.

> > > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they

> are

> > > > afraid

> > > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

> > > > imprisoned.

> > > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please

> they

> > > are

> > > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally

incomprehensible

> > even

> > > > to an

> > > > > intelligent man.

> > > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the

> > ocean

> > > > is

> > > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of

> > death

> > > > is

> > > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are

> not

> > > > satiated

> > > > > with the number of men they cohabit with.

> > > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on

> > seeing a

> > > > man

> > > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> > > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

> > > > perfumed

> > > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to

> > exude

> > > > like

> > > > > water dripping from a leather bag.

> > > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that

they

> > > love,

> > > > who

> > > > > may honour and console them and who may look after them

well.

> > > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with

> > simple

> > > > loves

> > > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit

> > love

> > > > purused

> > > > > by them with other men.

> > > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put

> > together

> > > > viz.

> > > > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

> > sharp

> > > > edge

> > > > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> > > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women

> > were

> > > > created

> > > > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

> > > > >

> > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as

> > mentioned

> > > > by a

> > > > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause

> of

> > > > > detachment do you wish to hear.

> > > > > =============unquote=========

> > > > >

> > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma

> > > narrates

> > > > this

> > > > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada

> > narrating

> > > > this

> > > > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other

> > puranas.

> > > > many

> > > > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who

> are

> > > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

> > > > >

> > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

> > > > pativratas

> > > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which

highlight

> > that

> > > > a

> > > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are

> afraid

> > of

> > > > a

> > > > > pativrata.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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The irony of the story is that all these "inducement to vices" cannot be perpetuated without a partner, a man participating in it. When we cut-paste these stories and quote the Gods/Sages- we raise unnecessary controversies. After all it is Lord Shiva who presented himself in Half-Man, Half-Woman swaroop to explain the mysteries of creation.

This can create unnecessary arguments like the one engaged by our politicians against Manu and even the Bhagvad Gita. Nobody understands that caste is based on what you do or what you have done, and there is full mobility possible upwards and downwards.

Basically we do cannot see beyond a woman's body and her typical roles in society and typical traits that get magnified due to this role. These words are spoken in a rarified context and gender is only incidental. I bet some Lady sage would have used a man and his enticing presence as a source of corruption for woman.

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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Aum Raajamaatangyae Namaha

 

 

 

Namaste.

 

 

 

Let me take this opportunity to express my views about this passage that

everybody is so passionately discussing here.

 

 

 

Devarishi Narada is a confirmed Brahmachaari. So, when He saw the beautiful

Panchachuda and asked Her to describe the nature of women, She probably

would have got worried and wondered why He was getting so interested in

women. She might have come up with this long list of negative aspects of

women because She wanted to put an end to Narada's sudden curiosity about

them.

 

 

 

If She were to list all the positive qualities of women, She probably would

have thought that Narada would get tempted to break His vow of

brahmacharyatvam and get married.

 

 

 

By so blatantly defaming women, Panchachuda had only tried to protect

Devarishi Narada's vow. Don't you think this by itself is a virtue of

womanhood?

 

 

 

With warm regards,

 

Sindhu Madhusudan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Jan 31, 2008 6:46 PM, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

 

> dear friends

>

> following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " from

> uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in

> volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by

> motilalbanarsidas.

>

> ============quote============

> vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was

> mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

>

> sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, listen

> to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

> lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment towards

> them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire liberation. in

> this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of

> narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly while

> the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds he

> saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her to

> narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world.

>

> pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

>

> this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women with

> husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the limits

> of decency.

> there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> women are at the root of all sins.

> they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great

> comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for

> erring, they do not wait.

> this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to sinful

> men casting off all shame and shyness.

> women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach

> them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional decency.

> if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because no man

> makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their husbands.

> even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women

> who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

> beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked after

> with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and

> dwarfs.

> they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with

> solicitations of lust.

> if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in

> abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by their

> husbands.

> women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid

> of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned.

> because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are

> fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to an

> intelligent man.

> fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is

> not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is

> not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not satiated

> with the number of men they cohabit with.

> there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man

> their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed

> with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like

> water dripping from a leather bag.

> women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, who

> may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves

> and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love purused

> by them with other men.

> women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together viz.

> god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp edge

> of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were created

> by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

>

> sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by a

> woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

> detachment do you wish to hear.

> =============unquote=========

>

> the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates this

> for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating this

> story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. many

> sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are

> interested in liberation and detachment from women.

>

> members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas

> brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a

> pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a

> pativrata.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

>

>

 

 

 

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dear bhaskarji - as stri who are pativrats are rare ; same patnivrata

purush are also rare :-)); any one who have trust, faith, love and

devotiness in relations (it includes earthy and devine both)will get

some extraordinary powers from nature - no doubt in that. and women

are more powerfull in comp of man - i think so. we may have diffrent

opinion, but end result is one.

 

rgds

niket

 

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

>

> Shri Panditji,

>

> Pranam,

>

> Your post was a good one. I do not mean to

> interfere in your postings, but this was again

> a negative reflection on women. I think

> as a good wellwisher, you would allow me

> to say this. You have always guided me well

> with your advises, including advise to give

> free service and readings for requests

> coming on the Forums,

> due to which I have received lots of

> accolades, gifts from God, and the

> admiration and respect of the natives who

> have been answered, and last but not the

> least, contenetment and peace at heart,

> due to this helping people.

>

> In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate

> these well meant advises. What text has

> been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita'

> I have read worser artciles on women from

> venerated men of the past. But what is the

> actual purport of displaying this negativity, in

> Your mail, I quite did not understand.

> I suppose, most of us who have associated

> with women at close quarters, know about these

> qualities of the women, which

> is generalised and not categorised. I did

> not understand why we have to display these

> factors and show them in negative light.

> Instead if you had spoken of the good

> qualities of the Panch Kanyas-

> Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and

> Mandodari, it would have been much better

> reading.

>

> I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted

> mails as this one and the last one by you, on

> Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder

> whats up.

>

> I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope

> readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware

> of all the happennings and keeping update

> because Net access has to be kept on,

> due to my other diversified business interests,

> which you are well aware of, so automatically

> I get the mails from the Forums where I have

> done Individual subscription, and then cannot

> force myself, not to read them. Hence I read

> the mails appearing on this and few other

> Forums.

>

> kind regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

, " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> >

> > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature "

> from

> > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available

in

> > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published

> by

> > motilalbanarsidas.

> >

> > ============quote============

> > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what

was

> > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

> >

> > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is,

> listen

> > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

> > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment

> towards

> > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> liberation. in

> > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of

> > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly

> while

> > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds

> he

> > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her

> to

> > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world.

> >

> > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

> >

> > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women

> with

> > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the

> limits

> > of decency.

> > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> > women are at the root of all sins.

> > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of

> great

> > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities

> for

> > erring, they do not wait.

> > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to

> sinful

> > men casting off all shame and shyness.

> > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

> approach

> > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

> decency.

> > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because

no

> man

> > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their

> husbands.

> > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious

> women

> > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

> > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked

> after

> > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and

> > dwarfs.

> > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with

> > solicitations of lust.

> > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge

> in

> > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by

> their

> > husbands.

> > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are

> afraid

> > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

> imprisoned.

> > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they

are

> > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even

> to an

> > intelligent man.

> > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean

> is

> > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death

> is

> > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

> satiated

> > with the number of men they cohabit with.

> > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a

> man

> > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

> perfumed

> > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude

> like

> > water dripping from a leather bag.

> > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they

love,

> who

> > may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple

> loves

> > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love

> purused

> > by them with other men.

> > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together

> viz.

> > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp

> edge

> > of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were

> created

> > by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

> >

> > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned

> by a

> > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

> > detachment do you wish to hear.

> > =============unquote=========

> >

> > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma

narrates

> this

> > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating

> this

> > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas.

> many

> > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are

> > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

> >

> > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

> pativratas

> > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that

> a

> > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of

> a

> > pativrata.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

>

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I have not participated into this unusual discussion so far. There are very

learned members on this forum and I have high regards for them. Motilal

Banarsidas is also a well known publisher.

 

However, wish to clarify that around twenty-four thousand shlokas of Shiv Purana

are divided into six

samhitas or sections named Jnana Samhita,

Vidyeshvara Samhita, Kailash Samhita, Sanatkumar Samhita, Vayaviya Samhita and

Dharma Samhita. Each Samhita is further subdivided into

chapters (adhyaya). Jnana Samhita has seventy-eight chapters,

Vidyeshvara Samhita sixteen, Kailash Samhita twelve, Sanathkumar

Samhita fifty-nine, Vayaviya Samhita thirty and Dharma Samhita

sixty-five.

 

Best wishes,

Amitabh

 

 

> , " panditarjun2004 "

 

> <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > dear friends

 

> >

 

> > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature "

 

> from

 

> > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available

 

in

 

> > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published

 

> by

 

> > motilalbanarsidas.

 

> >

 

> > ============ quote==== ========

 

> > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what

 

was

 

> > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

 

> >

 

> > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is,

 

> listen

 

> > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

 

> > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment

 

> towards

 

> > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

 

> liberation. in

 

> > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of

 

> > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly

 

> while

 

> > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds

 

> he

 

> > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her

 

> to

 

> > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world.

 

> >

 

> > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

 

> >

 

> > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women

 

> with

 

> > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the

 

> limits

 

> > of decency.

 

> > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

 

> > women are at the root of all sins.

 

> > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of

 

> great

 

> > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities

 

> for

 

> > erring, they do not wait.

 

> > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to

 

> sinful

 

> > men casting off all shame and shyness.

 

> > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

 

> approach

 

> > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

 

> > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

 

> decency.

 

> > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because

 

no

 

> man

 

> > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their

 

> husbands.

 

> > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious

 

> women

 

> > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

 

> > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

 

> > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked

 

> after

 

> > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and

 

> > dwarfs.

 

> > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

 

> > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with

 

> > solicitations of lust.

 

> > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge

 

> in

 

> > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by

 

> their

 

> > husbands.

 

> > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are

 

> afraid

 

> > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

 

> imprisoned.

 

> > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they

 

are

 

> > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even

 

> to an

 

> > intelligent man.

 

> > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean

 

> is

 

> > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death

 

> is

 

> > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

 

> satiated

 

> > with the number of men they cohabit with.

 

> > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a

 

> man

 

> > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

 

> > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

 

> perfumed

 

> > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude

 

> like

 

> > water dripping from a leather bag.

 

> > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they

 

love,

 

> who

 

> > may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

 

> > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple

 

> loves

 

> > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love

 

> purused

 

> > by them with other men.

 

> > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together

 

> viz.

 

> > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp

 

> edge

 

> > of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

 

> > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were

 

> created

 

> > by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

 

> >

 

> > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned

 

> by a

 

> > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

 

> > detachment do you wish to hear.

 

> > ============ =unquote= ========

 

> >

 

> > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma

 

narrates

 

> this

 

> > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating

 

> this

 

> > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas.

 

> many

 

> > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are

 

> > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

 

> >

 

> > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

 

> pativratas

 

> > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that

 

> a

 

> > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of

 

> a

 

> > pativrata.

 

> >

 

> > with best wishes and blessings

 

> > pandit arjun

 

> > www.rudraksharemedy .com

 

> >

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Bejan Daruwala is very well known. So is Linda

Goodman.So is Bin laden. So is Dawood Ibrahim.

So is george Bush. So is Musharraf.

So are, so many. Being Well known would not

be the criteria for being good always in

any particular field.

 

Motilal Banarsidas is very money minded. They do

not even mention their prices on the books they sell.

They keep on upgrading the prices on the weight of

demand of any particular title, is my

experience. This is known to me because I have many

of their books on spirituality.

A Publisher who is money minded would also search

for authors who are cheap. They would compromise ,

to make their production costs low.

 

Now your mail has not given the actual purport

of the particular context which we require,

where the bad nature of women has been given,

so as to assess the full meaningful presentation

where this distatsteful issue has been cited.

 

I am sure those who have the Gita press " Shiv

Puarana " would be able to give a better view,

in a more positive vein, rather than

what has been displayed to us.

 

rgrds/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Amitabh Shastri

<amitabh_shastri wrote:

>

> I have not participated into this unusual discussion so far. There

are very learned members on this forum and I have high regards for

them. Motilal Banarsidas is also a well known publisher.

>

> However, wish to clarify that around twenty-four thousand shlokas

of Shiv Purana are divided into six

> samhitas or sections named Jnana Samhita,

> Vidyeshvara Samhita, Kailash Samhita, Sanatkumar Samhita, Vayaviya

Samhita and Dharma Samhita. Each Samhita is further subdivided into

> chapters (adhyaya). Jnana Samhita has seventy-eight chapters,

> Vidyeshvara Samhita sixteen, Kailash Samhita twelve, Sanathkumar

> Samhita fifty-nine, Vayaviya Samhita thirty and Dharma Samhita

> sixty-five.

>

> Best wishes,

> Amitabh

>

>

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

>

> > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > dear friends

>

> > >

>

> > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's

nature "

>

> > from

>

> > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is

available

>

> in

>

> > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554

published

>

> > by

>

> > > motilalbanarsidas.

>

> > >

>

> > > ============ quote==== ========

>

> > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what

>

> was

>

> > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

>

> > >

>

> > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it

is,

>

> > listen

>

> > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

>

> > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles.

attachment

>

> > towards

>

> > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

>

> > liberation. in

>

> > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation

of

>

> > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara).

formerly

>

> > while

>

> > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the

worlds

>

> > he

>

> > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes

her

>

> > to

>

> > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world.

>

> > >

>

> > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

>

> > >

>

> > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families,

women

>

> > with

>

> > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the

>

> > limits

>

> > > of decency.

>

> > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

>

> > > women are at the root of all sins.

>

> > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth,

of

>

> > great

>

> > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get

opportunities

>

> > for

>

> > > erring, they do not wait.

>

> > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort

to

>

> > sinful

>

> > > men casting off all shame and shyness.

>

> > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

>

> > approach

>

> > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

>

> > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

>

> > decency.

>

> > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

because

>

> no

>

> > man

>

> > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their

>

> > husbands.

>

> > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious

>

> > women

>

> > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

>

> > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

>

> > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and

looked

>

> > after

>

> > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles

and

>

> > > dwarfs.

>

> > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

>

> > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women

with

>

> > > solicitations of lust.

>

> > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to

indulge

>

> > in

>

> > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad

by

>

> > their

>

> > > husbands.

>

> > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are

>

> > afraid

>

> > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

>

> > imprisoned.

>

> > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they

>

> are

>

> > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible

even

>

> > to an

>

> > > intelligent man.

>

> > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the

ocean

>

> > is

>

> > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of

death

>

> > is

>

> > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

>

> > satiated

>

> > > with the number of men they cohabit with.

>

> > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on

seeing a

>

> > man

>

> > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

>

> > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

>

> > perfumed

>

> > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to

exude

>

> > like

>

> > > water dripping from a leather bag.

>

> > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they

>

> love,

>

> > who

>

> > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

>

> > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with

simple

>

> > loves

>

> > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit

love

>

> > purused

>

> > > by them with other men.

>

> > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put

together

>

> > viz.

>

> > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

sharp

>

> > edge

>

> > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

>

> > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women

were

>

> > created

>

> > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

>

> > >

>

> > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as

mentioned

>

> > by a

>

> > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

>

> > > detachment do you wish to hear.

>

> > > ============ =unquote= ========

>

> > >

>

> > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma

>

> narrates

>

> > this

>

> > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada

narrating

>

> > this

>

> > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other

puranas.

>

> > many

>

> > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are

>

> > > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

>

> > >

>

> > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

>

> > pativratas

>

> > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight

that

>

> > a

>

> > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid

of

>

> > a

>

> > > pativrata.

>

> > >

>

> > > with best wishes and blessings

>

> > > pandit arjun

>

> > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

>

> > >

>

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I think this arjun pandit is same pandit who sales 1 mukhi

rudrakschha for rs 5 lakhs... and simultaneously advices to Bhaskar

Ji like good people to do some charity.

 

beware of such people... they have got 2 faces.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

, " astroiniket "

<astroiniket wrote:

>

> dear bhaskarji - as stri who are pativrats are rare ; same

patnivrata

> purush are also rare :-)); any one who have trust, faith, love and

> devotiness in relations (it includes earthy and devine both)will

get

> some extraordinary powers from nature - no doubt in that. and women

> are more powerfull in comp of man - i think so. we may have

diffrent

> opinion, but end result is one.

>

> rgds

> niket

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Shri Panditji,

> >

> > Pranam,

> >

> > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to

> > interfere in your postings, but this was again

> > a negative reflection on women. I think

> > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me

> > to say this. You have always guided me well

> > with your advises, including advise to give

> > free service and readings for requests

> > coming on the Forums,

> > due to which I have received lots of

> > accolades, gifts from God, and the

> > admiration and respect of the natives who

> > have been answered, and last but not the

> > least, contenetment and peace at heart,

> > due to this helping people.

> >

> > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate

> > these well meant advises. What text has

> > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita'

> > I have read worser artciles on women from

> > venerated men of the past. But what is the

> > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in

> > Your mail, I quite did not understand.

> > I suppose, most of us who have associated

> > with women at close quarters, know about these

> > qualities of the women, which

> > is generalised and not categorised. I did

> > not understand why we have to display these

> > factors and show them in negative light.

> > Instead if you had spoken of the good

> > qualities of the Panch Kanyas-

> > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and

> > Mandodari, it would have been much better

> > reading.

> >

> > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted

> > mails as this one and the last one by you, on

> > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder

> > whats up.

> >

> > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope

> > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware

> > of all the happennings and keeping update

> > because Net access has to be kept on,

> > due to my other diversified business interests,

> > which you are well aware of, so automatically

> > I get the mails from the Forums where I have

> > done Individual subscription, and then cannot

> > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read

> > the mails appearing on this and few other

> > Forums.

> >

> > kind regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friends

> > >

> > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's

nature "

> > from

> > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available

> in

> > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554

published

> > by

> > > motilalbanarsidas.

> > >

> > > ============quote============

> > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what

> was

> > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

> > >

> > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is,

> > listen

> > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

> > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment

> > towards

> > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> > liberation. in

> > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation

of

> > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly

> > while

> > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the

worlds

> > he

> > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes

her

> > to

> > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world.

> > >

> > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

> > >

> > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families,

women

> > with

> > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the

> > limits

> > > of decency.

> > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> > > women are at the root of all sins.

> > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of

> > great

> > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get

opportunities

> > for

> > > erring, they do not wait.

> > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to

> > sinful

> > > men casting off all shame and shyness.

> > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

> > approach

> > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

> > decency.

> > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because

> no

> > man

> > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their

> > husbands.

> > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious

> > women

> > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

> > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and

looked

> > after

> > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles

and

> > > dwarfs.

> > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women

with

> > > solicitations of lust.

> > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to

indulge

> > in

> > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad

by

> > their

> > > husbands.

> > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are

> > afraid

> > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

> > imprisoned.

> > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they

> are

> > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible

even

> > to an

> > > intelligent man.

> > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the

ocean

> > is

> > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of

death

> > is

> > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

> > satiated

> > > with the number of men they cohabit with.

> > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing

a

> > man

> > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

> > perfumed

> > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude

> > like

> > > water dripping from a leather bag.

> > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they

> love,

> > who

> > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple

> > loves

> > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love

> > purused

> > > by them with other men.

> > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put

together

> > viz.

> > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

sharp

> > edge

> > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were

> > created

> > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

> > >

> > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as

mentioned

> > by a

> > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

> > > detachment do you wish to hear.

> > > =============unquote=========

> > >

> > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma

> narrates

> > this

> > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating

> > this

> > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas.

> > many

> > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are

> > > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

> > >

> > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

> > pativratas

> > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight

that

> > a

> > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid

of

> > a

> > > pativrata.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > >

> >

>

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dear friend

 

thanks for your positive feedback. it is naturally human to get all

sorts of doubts like the ones you expressed after reading that story

on the causes of detachment.

 

even the gods, when took the human form and were born to a mother

just like we all humans, suffered like we all humans despite standing

tall for their past divine qualities.

 

to put positively, the disciples or shishyas when approch a guru or a

sage seeking the path of liberation, salvation or mukti, the sage

advises them that this life and death cycle carries on and on as long

as you have desires and since woman is the source of creation, if you

have detachment from women, you can easily attain salvation.

 

otherwise for all those interested in attachment with women and

interested in reproductive mechanicm, this story is not meant for

them and they may ignore or banish this story as a curriculum in the

school of liberation.

 

you were opining that liberation and salvation can be done even with

attacment to a woman and even grihasthas can have liberation and

salvation which means you have bifurcated liberation to suit the

wordly and the renounced.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

 

vedic astrology , Maddali Madhusudhana Rao

<mnvmadhusudhanarao wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> I have a questions here. If Women is the root cause of all sins,

what about " PARVATHI " the wife of LORD SIVA,

>

> Why HE did not leave parvathi (if considered Women as the root

cause of all sins) & why HE did TAPASSU for her for ages, when she

burnt herself with her " YOGAAGNI " after DAKSHA YAGNAM? Is he MAD of

WOMAN (PARVATHI)?

>

> and what is the meaning of " ARDHANARESWARA " avatar. Is it because

SIVA did not have (or dont have) proper knowledge on " root cause of

all Sins " ? being a destroyer of all Sins.....

>

> I think SANYASAM is a state where you leave all your desires on

this material world and attain a good state of mind where you can

concentrate wholly on GOD ..may be SIVA, DEVI, VISHU, LAKSHMI, BRAHMA

PADARTHAM.....etc.....

>

> We do not need to say that " Women is the root cause of all sins "

just " TO HAVE LIBERATION AND DETACHMENT FROM WOMEN " .

>

> We even can live with wife, mother, sister in SANYASA DIKSHA if we

can attain a state where you can leave all material desires and

concentrate on GOD. And importantly, SANYASA DIKSHA is not ONLY for

MEN, even WOMEN can take it.

>

> Or do you mean " SEX " is " SIN " . In that case, even the great

incarnations of the GOD, like RAMA, KRISHNA have done this sin.... or

are we thinking that we are greater than those incarnations?????? and

other thing is we all were born because our parents did that sin

(Sorry guys).

> So if that SIN was not performed where we were???????.

>

> So what I want to say here is SEE GOD IN EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD.

I MEAN EVERYTHING.

>

> Please mind that I am a male and have read some puranas and I do

MANTRA & TANTRA as part of my religious activities.

> Also please mind that I am not against to any puranas...just trying

to understand things better..

>

> Thanks,

> Madhu Maddali.

>

>

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004

> vedic astrology

> Friday, 1 February, 2008 5:54:44 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: women's nature

>

> dear friends

>

> puranas remain the same puranas with same holiness and reverence

even

> if their stories and morales are outdated according some new

> generation thinking.

>

> similarly some rules and codes and principles mentioned in old

> testament of the bible looks primitive to modern man but the old

> testament is as holy as new testament and is part and parcel of the

> holy bible.

>

> just because generations and habits have changed, we dont change

the

> holy books like we change our country's constitution.

>

> kindly note that this narration is from a woman, that too an apsara.

>

> above all, this narration is narrated ONLY TO THOSE TARGET AUDIENCE

> WHO WISH TO HAVE LIBERATION AND DETACHMENT FROM WOMEN. to all those

> others who wish to be attached to women and dont want detachment or

> liberation, they may kindly ignore this story.

>

> answering to the observation of rhoda reporter, there is some part

> truth that when these puranas were translated into local languages

> and in english and even when they were taught by word of mouth,

there

> was some male chauvinism. the book manusmriti looks so primitive

and

> biased towards men that some political parties like bahujan samaj

> party have demanded a ban on it.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy .com

>

> vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM

> <munisevitham@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> > It explains why all religions without any exceptions considered

> women as sacred pookisha in a family and were kept under limited

> democracy ;could be seen from the modern history, till the

beginning

> of 20th century all most all countries denied franchise them.

> >

> > Rhoda Reporter <rhodes10@ .>

> wrote: thanks, i enjoyed reading this

> bit about women's nature.

> > hope in my next birth i am a male!!

> > that is if i am to be re born.

> > although i am a female i almost agree with what is written

> > do forgive me dear ladies!!

> > rr

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:

> > dear friends

> >

> > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature "

> from

> > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in

> > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published

> by

> > motilalbanarsidas.

> >

> > ============ quote==== ========

> > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what

was

> > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

> >

> > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is,

> > listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women

> are

> > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment

> > towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> > liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the

> > conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an

> > apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was

> > wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel

> > pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for

> the

> > benefit of the world.

> >

> > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

> >

> > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women

> > with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within

> the

> > limits of decency.

> > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> > women are at the root of all sins.

> > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of

> great

> > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities

> for

> > erring, they do not wait.

> > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to

> > sinful men casting off all shame and shyness.

> > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

> approach

> > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

> > decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

> > because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid

> of

> > their husbands.

> > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious

> women

> > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

> > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked

> > after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men,

> imbeciles

> > and dwarfs.

> > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with

> > solicitations of lust.

> > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge

> in

> > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by

> > their husbands.

> > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are

> afraid

> > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

> imprisoned.

> > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they

are

> > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even

> to

> > an intelligent man.

> > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean

> is

> > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death

> is

> > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

> > satiated with the number of men they cohabit with.

> > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a

> man

> > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

> perfumed

> > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude

> like

> > water dripping from a leather bag.

> > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they

love,

> > who may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple

> loves

> > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love

> > purused by them with other men.

> > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together

> > viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

> > sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were

> > created by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

> >

> > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned

> by

> > a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

> > detachment do you wish to hear.

> > ============ =unquote= ========

> >

> > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma

narrates

> > this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada

> narrating

> > this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other

> puranas.

> > many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who

> are

> > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

> >

> > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

> pativratas

> > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that

> a

> > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of

> a

> > pativrata.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> >

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dear lalit

 

you are the same lalit who, despite claiming a software engineer,

used unparliamentary slang vulgar language in vedic astrology group

whereafter most members vent their anger against you and demanded

your immediate removal after which you were removed and then you

entered again with another id and then again you were demanded to be

removed and again got removed.

 

in this group, there are two kinds of members. one is those who put

their queries and ask for a reading or ask a doubt on the subject.

the other is those who answer these queries on the subject or share

their knowledge on the subject or give a reading of the charts.

 

writing unsolicited critical mails which serve no good to anyone only

expose your maturity levels.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

, " litsol " <mishra.lalit

wrote:

>

> I think this arjun pandit is same pandit who sales 1 mukhi

> rudrakschha for rs 5 lakhs... and simultaneously advices to Bhaskar

> Ji like good people to do some charity.

>

> beware of such people... they have got 2 faces.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

>

> , " astroiniket "

> <astroiniket@> wrote:

> >

> > dear bhaskarji - as stri who are pativrats are rare ; same

> patnivrata

> > purush are also rare :-)); any one who have trust, faith, love

and

> > devotiness in relations (it includes earthy and devine both)will

> get

> > some extraordinary powers from nature - no doubt in that. and

women

> > are more powerfull in comp of man - i think so. we may have

> diffrent

> > opinion, but end result is one.

> >

> > rgds

> > niket

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Shri Panditji,

> > >

> > > Pranam,

> > >

> > > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to

> > > interfere in your postings, but this was again

> > > a negative reflection on women. I think

> > > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me

> > > to say this. You have always guided me well

> > > with your advises, including advise to give

> > > free service and readings for requests

> > > coming on the Forums,

> > > due to which I have received lots of

> > > accolades, gifts from God, and the

> > > admiration and respect of the natives who

> > > have been answered, and last but not the

> > > least, contenetment and peace at heart,

> > > due to this helping people.

> > >

> > > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate

> > > these well meant advises. What text has

> > > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita'

> > > I have read worser artciles on women from

> > > venerated men of the past. But what is the

> > > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in

> > > Your mail, I quite did not understand.

> > > I suppose, most of us who have associated

> > > with women at close quarters, know about these

> > > qualities of the women, which

> > > is generalised and not categorised. I did

> > > not understand why we have to display these

> > > factors and show them in negative light.

> > > Instead if you had spoken of the good

> > > qualities of the Panch Kanyas-

> > > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and

> > > Mandodari, it would have been much better

> > > reading.

> > >

> > > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted

> > > mails as this one and the last one by you, on

> > > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder

> > > whats up.

> > >

> > > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope

> > > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware

> > > of all the happennings and keeping update

> > > because Net access has to be kept on,

> > > due to my other diversified business interests,

> > > which you are well aware of, so automatically

> > > I get the mails from the Forums where I have

> > > done Individual subscription, and then cannot

> > > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read

> > > the mails appearing on this and few other

> > > Forums.

> > >

> > > kind regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear friends

> > > >

> > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's

> nature "

> > > from

> > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is

available

> > in

> > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554

> published

> > > by

> > > > motilalbanarsidas.

> > > >

> > > > ============quote============

> > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly

what

> > was

> > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

> > > >

> > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it

is,

> > > listen

> > > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

> > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles.

attachment

> > > towards

> > > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> > > liberation. in

> > > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the

conversation

> of

> > > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara).

formerly

> > > while

> > > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the

> worlds

> > > he

> > > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes

> her

> > > to

> > > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world.

> > > >

> > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

> > > >

> > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families,

> women

> > > with

> > > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within

the

> > > limits

> > > > of decency.

> > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> > > > women are at the root of all sins.

> > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth,

of

> > > great

> > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get

> opportunities

> > > for

> > > > erring, they do not wait.

> > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort

to

> > > sinful

> > > > men casting off all shame and shyness.

> > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

> > > approach

> > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

> > > decency.

> > > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

because

> > no

> > > man

> > > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their

> > > husbands.

> > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of

lascivious

> > > women

> > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments

and

> > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and

> looked

> > > after

> > > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles

> and

> > > > dwarfs.

> > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women

> with

> > > > solicitations of lust.

> > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to

> indulge

> > > in

> > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad

> by

> > > their

> > > > husbands.

> > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they

are

> > > afraid

> > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

> > > imprisoned.

> > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please

they

> > are

> > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible

> even

> > > to an

> > > > intelligent man.

> > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the

> ocean

> > > is

> > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of

> death

> > > is

> > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are

not

> > > satiated

> > > > with the number of men they cohabit with.

> > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on

seeing

> a

> > > man

> > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

> > > perfumed

> > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to

exude

> > > like

> > > > water dripping from a leather bag.

> > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they

> > love,

> > > who

> > > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with

simple

> > > loves

> > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit

love

> > > purused

> > > > by them with other men.

> > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put

> together

> > > viz.

> > > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

> sharp

> > > edge

> > > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women

were

> > > created

> > > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

> > > >

> > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as

> mentioned

> > > by a

> > > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause

of

> > > > detachment do you wish to hear.

> > > > =============unquote=========

> > > >

> > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma

> > narrates

> > > this

> > > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada

narrating

> > > this

> > > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other

puranas.

> > > many

> > > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who

are

> > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

> > > >

> > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

> > > pativratas

> > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight

> that

> > > a

> > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are

afraid

> of

> > > a

> > > > pativrata.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Arjun,

 

... And it exposes ur black business in the name of religion ...

after the vedic astrology group u started befooling people in this

group also by preeching others , so, it's required to tell ur reality

to the innocent group members.

 

You rudrakschha vendor, u can do ur business as a vendor only, by

doing proper marketting no but if u do that how people will come

under ur snare, why u people cover urself as a noble soul, as

realized soul, as great learned soul .. guru .. pandit.. etc.

 

You didn't learn the lessons in that group and still continued with

ur tactis, so u r getting the lesson this way.

 

~Lalit.

 

 

, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear lalit

>

> you are the same lalit who, despite claiming a software engineer,

> used unparliamentary slang vulgar language in vedic astrology group

> whereafter most members vent their anger against you and demanded

> your immediate removal after which you were removed and then you

> entered again with another id and then again you were demanded to

be

> removed and again got removed.

>

> in this group, there are two kinds of members. one is those who

put

> their queries and ask for a reading or ask a doubt on the subject.

> the other is those who answer these queries on the subject or share

> their knowledge on the subject or give a reading of the charts.

>

> writing unsolicited critical mails which serve no good to anyone

only

> expose your maturity levels.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

> , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I think this arjun pandit is same pandit who sales 1 mukhi

> > rudrakschha for rs 5 lakhs... and simultaneously advices to

Bhaskar

> > Ji like good people to do some charity.

> >

> > beware of such people... they have got 2 faces.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> > , " astroiniket "

> > <astroiniket@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear bhaskarji - as stri who are pativrats are rare ; same

> > patnivrata

> > > purush are also rare :-)); any one who have trust, faith, love

> and

> > > devotiness in relations (it includes earthy and devine both)

will

> > get

> > > some extraordinary powers from nature - no doubt in that. and

> women

> > > are more powerfull in comp of man - i think so. we may have

> > diffrent

> > > opinion, but end result is one.

> > >

> > > rgds

> > > niket

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Shri Panditji,

> > > >

> > > > Pranam,

> > > >

> > > > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to

> > > > interfere in your postings, but this was again

> > > > a negative reflection on women. I think

> > > > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me

> > > > to say this. You have always guided me well

> > > > with your advises, including advise to give

> > > > free service and readings for requests

> > > > coming on the Forums,

> > > > due to which I have received lots of

> > > > accolades, gifts from God, and the

> > > > admiration and respect of the natives who

> > > > have been answered, and last but not the

> > > > least, contenetment and peace at heart,

> > > > due to this helping people.

> > > >

> > > > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate

> > > > these well meant advises. What text has

> > > > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita'

> > > > I have read worser artciles on women from

> > > > venerated men of the past. But what is the

> > > > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in

> > > > Your mail, I quite did not understand.

> > > > I suppose, most of us who have associated

> > > > with women at close quarters, know about these

> > > > qualities of the women, which

> > > > is generalised and not categorised. I did

> > > > not understand why we have to display these

> > > > factors and show them in negative light.

> > > > Instead if you had spoken of the good

> > > > qualities of the Panch Kanyas-

> > > > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and

> > > > Mandodari, it would have been much better

> > > > reading.

> > > >

> > > > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted

> > > > mails as this one and the last one by you, on

> > > > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder

> > > > whats up.

> > > >

> > > > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope

> > > > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware

> > > > of all the happennings and keeping update

> > > > because Net access has to be kept on,

> > > > due to my other diversified business interests,

> > > > which you are well aware of, so automatically

> > > > I get the mails from the Forums where I have

> > > > done Individual subscription, and then cannot

> > > > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read

> > > > the mails appearing on this and few other

> > > > Forums.

> > > >

> > > > kind regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear friends

> > > > >

> > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's

> > nature "

> > > > from

> > > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is

> available

> > > in

> > > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554

> > published

> > > > by

> > > > > motilalbanarsidas.

> > > > >

> > > > > ============quote============

> > > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly

> what

> > > was

> > > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

> > > > >

> > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it

> is,

> > > > listen

> > > > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women

are

> > > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles.

> attachment

> > > > towards

> > > > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> > > > liberation. in

> > > > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the

> conversation

> > of

> > > > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara).

> formerly

> > > > while

> > > > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the

> > worlds

> > > > he

> > > > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas

askes

> > her

> > > > to

> > > > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world.

> > > > >

> > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

> > > > >

> > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families,

> > women

> > > > with

> > > > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within

> the

> > > > limits

> > > > > of decency.

> > > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> > > > > women are at the root of all sins.

> > > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample

wealth,

> of

> > > > great

> > > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get

> > opportunities

> > > > for

> > > > > erring, they do not wait.

> > > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we

resort

> to

> > > > sinful

> > > > > men casting off all shame and shyness.

> > > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company,

who

> > > > approach

> > > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> > > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of

conventional

> > > > decency.

> > > > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

> because

> > > no

> > > > man

> > > > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their

> > > > husbands.

> > > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of

> lascivious

> > > > women

> > > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments

> and

> > > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> > > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and

> > looked

> > > > after

> > > > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men,

imbeciles

> > and

> > > > > dwarfs.

> > > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> > > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by

women

> > with

> > > > > solicitations of lust.

> > > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to

> > indulge

> > > > in

> > > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not

stnad

> > by

> > > > their

> > > > > husbands.

> > > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they

> are

> > > > afraid

> > > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

> > > > imprisoned.

> > > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please

> they

> > > are

> > > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally

incomprehensible

> > even

> > > > to an

> > > > > intelligent man.

> > > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the

> > ocean

> > > > is

> > > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of

> > death

> > > > is

> > > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are

> not

> > > > satiated

> > > > > with the number of men they cohabit with.

> > > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on

> seeing

> > a

> > > > man

> > > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> > > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

> > > > perfumed

> > > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to

> exude

> > > > like

> > > > > water dripping from a leather bag.

> > > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that

they

> > > love,

> > > > who

> > > > > may honour and console them and who may look after them

well.

> > > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with

> simple

> > > > loves

> > > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit

> love

> > > > purused

> > > > > by them with other men.

> > > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put

> > together

> > > > viz.

> > > > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

> > sharp

> > > > edge

> > > > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> > > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women

> were

> > > > created

> > > > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

> > > > >

> > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as

> > mentioned

> > > > by a

> > > > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause

> of

> > > > > detachment do you wish to hear.

> > > > > =============unquote=========

> > > > >

> > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma

> > > narrates

> > > > this

> > > > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada

> narrating

> > > > this

> > > > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other

> puranas.

> > > > many

> > > > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who

> are

> > > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

> > > > >

> > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

> > > > pativratas

> > > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which

highlight

> > that

> > > > a

> > > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are

> afraid

> > of

> > > > a

> > > > > pativrata.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Moderator/Owner,

 

I am sorry but this kind of personal name-calling and slander should

not be tolerated on this board! In the past, people have been banned

for much lesser offensive language (and then reinstituted). Two of

those banned individuals, truth be told, have over time proved their

worth and keep much of the message traffic here and free readings

etc, even though they go at each other from time to time! And yet, I

see that such direct personal insults are allowed to be posted on

this forum!

 

If moderators and owners are too busy or find moderation too

overwhelming, they should post that clearly on the home page, " Dear

Member, you are entering UNPROTECTED territory! You are on your own

since the Owners/Moderators are away on business or vacation, as the

case may be! "

 

Apalling!

 

Regards,

 

RR

 

 

, " litsol " <mishra.lalit

wrote:

>

> I think this arjun pandit is same pandit who sales 1 mukhi

> rudrakschha for rs 5 lakhs... and simultaneously advices to Bhaskar

> Ji like good people to do some charity.

>

> beware of such people... they have got 2 faces.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

>

> , " astroiniket "

> <astroiniket@> wrote:

> >

> > dear bhaskarji - as stri who are pativrats are rare ; same

> patnivrata

> > purush are also rare :-)); any one who have trust, faith, love

and

> > devotiness in relations (it includes earthy and devine both)will

> get

> > some extraordinary powers from nature - no doubt in that. and

women

> > are more powerfull in comp of man - i think so. we may have

> diffrent

> > opinion, but end result is one.

> >

> > rgds

> > niket

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Shri Panditji,

> > >

> > > Pranam,

> > >

> > > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to

> > > interfere in your postings, but this was again

> > > a negative reflection on women. I think

> > > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me

> > > to say this. You have always guided me well

> > > with your advises, including advise to give

> > > free service and readings for requests

> > > coming on the Forums,

> > > due to which I have received lots of

> > > accolades, gifts from God, and the

> > > admiration and respect of the natives who

> > > have been answered, and last but not the

> > > least, contenetment and peace at heart,

> > > due to this helping people.

> > >

> > > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate

> > > these well meant advises. What text has

> > > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita'

> > > I have read worser artciles on women from

> > > venerated men of the past. But what is the

> > > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in

> > > Your mail, I quite did not understand.

> > > I suppose, most of us who have associated

> > > with women at close quarters, know about these

> > > qualities of the women, which

> > > is generalised and not categorised. I did

> > > not understand why we have to display these

> > > factors and show them in negative light.

> > > Instead if you had spoken of the good

> > > qualities of the Panch Kanyas-

> > > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and

> > > Mandodari, it would have been much better

> > > reading.

> > >

> > > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted

> > > mails as this one and the last one by you, on

> > > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder

> > > whats up.

> > >

> > > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope

> > > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware

> > > of all the happennings and keeping update

> > > because Net access has to be kept on,

> > > due to my other diversified business interests,

> > > which you are well aware of, so automatically

> > > I get the mails from the Forums where I have

> > > done Individual subscription, and then cannot

> > > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read

> > > the mails appearing on this and few other

> > > Forums.

> > >

> > > kind regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear friends

> > > >

> > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's

> nature "

> > > from

> > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is

available

> > in

> > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554

> published

> > > by

> > > > motilalbanarsidas.

> > > >

> > > > ============quote============

> > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly

what

> > was

> > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

> > > >

> > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it

is,

> > > listen

> > > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

> > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles.

attachment

> > > towards

> > > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> > > liberation. in

> > > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the

conversation

> of

> > > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara).

formerly

> > > while

> > > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the

> worlds

> > > he

> > > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes

> her

> > > to

> > > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world.

> > > >

> > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

> > > >

> > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families,

> women

> > > with

> > > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within

the

> > > limits

> > > > of decency.

> > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> > > > women are at the root of all sins.

> > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth,

of

> > > great

> > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get

> opportunities

> > > for

> > > > erring, they do not wait.

> > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort

to

> > > sinful

> > > > men casting off all shame and shyness.

> > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

> > > approach

> > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

> > > decency.

> > > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

because

> > no

> > > man

> > > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their

> > > husbands.

> > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of

lascivious

> > > women

> > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments

and

> > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and

> looked

> > > after

> > > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles

> and

> > > > dwarfs.

> > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women

> with

> > > > solicitations of lust.

> > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to

> indulge

> > > in

> > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad

> by

> > > their

> > > > husbands.

> > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they

are

> > > afraid

> > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

> > > imprisoned.

> > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please

they

> > are

> > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible

> even

> > > to an

> > > > intelligent man.

> > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the

> ocean

> > > is

> > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of

> death

> > > is

> > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are

not

> > > satiated

> > > > with the number of men they cohabit with.

> > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on

seeing

> a

> > > man

> > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

> > > perfumed

> > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to

exude

> > > like

> > > > water dripping from a leather bag.

> > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they

> > love,

> > > who

> > > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with

simple

> > > loves

> > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit

love

> > > purused

> > > > by them with other men.

> > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put

> together

> > > viz.

> > > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

> sharp

> > > edge

> > > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women

were

> > > created

> > > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

> > > >

> > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as

> mentioned

> > > by a

> > > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause

of

> > > > detachment do you wish to hear.

> > > > =============unquote=========

> > > >

> > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma

> > narrates

> > > this

> > > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada

narrating

> > > this

> > > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other

puranas.

> > > many

> > > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who

are

> > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

> > > >

> > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

> > > pativratas

> > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight

> that

> > > a

> > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are

afraid

> of

> > > a

> > > > pativrata.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Hare Krishna!

 

A very similar description of women's nature is given in the beginning of

" Narada-pancaratra " (as in many other scriptures). But in

" Narada-pancaratra " , afterwards the demigodesses like Sri Sarasvati specify

that this description fits the pumscalis, wanton women, whereas there is

also a different class of women, who are chaste dharma-patnis and they are

supremely auspicious.

 

Your servant

Adi-purusha das

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A similar description of women is in Arabian Nights also. In fact this is the

base of Arabian nights stories. A genie hides the girl and keeps her under lock

and key but her wantonness & lust could never be controlled......

 

Thanx n' rgds

Maligere

 

 

 

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