Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 thanks, i enjoyed reading this bit about women's nature. hope in my next birth i am a male!! that is if i am to be re born. although i am a female i almost agree with what is written do forgive me dear ladies!! rr panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " from uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by motilalbanarsidas. ============quote============ vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the limits of decency. there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. women are at the root of all sins. they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for erring, they do not wait. this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to sinful men casting off all shame and shyness. women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their husbands. even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and dwarfs. they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with solicitations of lust. if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by their husbands. women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned. because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to an intelligent man. fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not satiated with the number of men they cohabit with. there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like water dripping from a leather bag. women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, who may honour and console them and who may look after them well. women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love purused by them with other men. women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire. ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were created by brahma, the defect lies in women always. sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of detachment do you wish to hear. =============unquote========= the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are interested in liberation and detachment from women. members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a 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Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Namaste, It explains why all religions without any exceptions considered women as sacred pookisha in a family and were kept under limited democracy ;could be seen from the modern history, till the beginning of 20th century all most all countries denied franchise them. Rhoda Reporter <rhodes10 wrote: thanks, i enjoyed reading this bit about women's nature. hope in my next birth i am a male!! that is if i am to be re born. although i am a female i almost agree with what is written do forgive me dear ladies!! rr panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " from uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by motilalbanarsidas. ============quote============ vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the limits of decency. there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. women are at the root of all sins. they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for erring, they do not wait. this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to sinful men casting off all shame and shyness. women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their husbands. even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and dwarfs. they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with solicitations of lust. if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by their husbands. women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned. because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to an intelligent man. fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not satiated with the number of men they cohabit with. there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like water dripping from a leather bag. women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, who may honour and console them and who may look after them well. women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love purused by them with other men. women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire. ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were created by brahma, the defect lies in women always. sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of detachment do you wish to hear. =============unquote========= the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are interested in liberation and detachment from women. members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a pativrata. with best wishes and 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Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Dear Arjun ji, Women's nature is complementary to men's. Women's are more loving, very earthly and the embodiment of all the soft qualities that make us human. Men are usually power hungry, egotic, looking at long distance forgetting the earth below his own feet (remember all the daily discussions about world politics but forgetting to get the necessary material from shop to prepare the daily food of the day). We need to become more womanly (means more humane) to enjoy the fruits of happiness provided by this very earth - the mother earth. I am truly in favor of them - and of course being a man not at all against the dreaming, hard working, believing in the rule 'survival of the of the fittest' kind of arrogant male nature as well. Both of them are complementary and will remain so - yes, similar to astrology exception too are always present among both men and women, defying all definitions and categorizing efforts. May be we should accept man-women or women-man as he is - and know that one cannot be separate from other. Or better know the fact that there is neither true man or true women but only man-women and women-man; all Ardha-nareewaras having both male and female nature within – and may be that is the way to perfection. Love and regards, Sreenadh , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote:>> dear friends> > following is taken from the 24th chapter titled "women's nature" from > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by > motilalbanarsidas.> > ============quote============> vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.> > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the > conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an > apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was > wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel > pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for the > benefit of the world.> > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:> > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women > with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > limits of decency.> there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.> women are at the root of all sins.> they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for > erring, they do not wait.> this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > sinful men casting off all shame and shyness.> women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.> women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is > because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid of > their husbands.> even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.> even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked > after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles > and dwarfs.> they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > solicitations of lust.> if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by > their husbands.> women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned.> because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to > an intelligent man.> fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > satiated with the number of men they cohabit with.> there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.> on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like > water dripping from a leather bag.> women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, > who may honour and console them and who may look after them well.> women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > purused by them with other men.> women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together > viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the > sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire.> ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > created by brahma, the defect lies in women always.> > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by > a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > detachment do you wish to hear.> =============unquote=========> > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates > this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating > this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. > many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > interested in liberation and detachment from women.> > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a > pativrata.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More 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Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 dear friends puranas remain the same puranas with same holiness and reverence even if their stories and morales are outdated according some new generation thinking. similarly some rules and codes and principles mentioned in old testament of the bible looks primitive to modern man but the old testament is as holy as new testament and is part and parcel of the holy bible. just because generations and habits have changed, we dont change the holy books like we change our country's constitution. kindly note that this narration is from a woman, that too an apsara. above all, this narration is narrated ONLY TO THOSE TARGET AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO HAVE LIBERATION AND DETACHMENT FROM WOMEN. to all those others who wish to be attached to women and dont want detachment or liberation, they may kindly ignore this story. answering to the observation of rhoda reporter, there is some part truth that when these puranas were translated into local languages and in english and even when they were taught by word of mouth, there was some male chauvinism. the book manusmriti looks so primitive and biased towards men that some political parties like bahujan samaj party have demanded a ban on it. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM <munisevitham wrote: > > Namaste, > It explains why all religions without any exceptions considered women as sacred pookisha in a family and were kept under limited democracy ;could be seen from the modern history, till the beginning of 20th century all most all countries denied franchise them. > > Rhoda Reporter <rhodes10 wrote: thanks, i enjoyed reading this bit about women's nature. > hope in my next birth i am a male!! > that is if i am to be re born. > although i am a female i almost agree with what is written > do forgive me dear ladies!! > rr > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear friends > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " from > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by > motilalbanarsidas. > > ============quote============ > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the > conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an > apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was > wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel > pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for the > benefit of the world. > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women > with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > limits of decency. > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > women are at the root of all sins. > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for > erring, they do not wait. > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > sinful men casting off all shame and shyness. > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is > because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid of > their husbands. > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked > after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles > and dwarfs. > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > solicitations of lust. > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by > their husbands. > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned. > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to > an intelligent man. > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > satiated with the number of men they cohabit with. > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like > water dripping from a leather bag. > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, > who may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > purused by them with other men. > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together > viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the > sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > created by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by > a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > detachment do you wish to hear. > =============unquote========= > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates > this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating > this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. > many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a > pativrata. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 dear sreenadhji your observation as man and woman both equal is correct and i too preach the same. but this narration by the sages is intended for a specific target audience i.e. those who seek liberation and detachment from women. almost all members of this group are grihasthas and wish attachment from women and hence they may ignore this story. this particular story narrated by a woman apsara is oft preached by celibate sages who advise their disciples to get liberated from the maya and detachment from women and to gain control over body and mind. even bhishma reminds this story in mahabharata. hence members may view this as the curriculum of detachment and liberation school. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Arjun ji, > Women's nature is complementary to men's. Women's are more > loving, very earthly and the embodiment of all the soft qualities that > make us human. Men are usually power hungry, egotic, looking at long > distance forgetting the earth below his own feet (remember all the daily > discussions about world politics but forgetting to get the necessary > material from shop to prepare the daily food of the day). We need to > become more womanly (means more humane) to enjoy the fruits of happiness > provided by this very earth - the mother earth. I am truly in favor of > them - and of course being a man not at all against the dreaming, hard > working, believing in the rule 'survival of the of the fittest' kind of > arrogant male nature as well. Both of them are complementary and will > remain so - yes, similar to astrology exception too are always present > among both men and women, defying all definitions and categorizing > efforts. May be we should accept man-women or women-man as he is - and > know that one cannot be separate from other. Or better know the fact > that there is neither true man or true women but only man-women and > women-man; all Ardha-nareewaras having both male and female nature > within – and may be that is the way to perfection. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > following is taken from the 24th chapter titled " women's nature " from > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > ============quote============ > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > > listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > > towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > > liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the > > conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an > > apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was > > wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel > > pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for the > > benefit of the world. > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women > > with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > > limits of decency. > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > women are at the root of all sins. > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for > > erring, they do not wait. > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > > sinful men casting off all shame and shyness. > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > > decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is > > because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid of > > their husbands. > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked > > after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles > > and dwarfs. > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > > solicitations of lust. > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by > > their husbands. > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned. > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to > > an intelligent man. > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > > satiated with the number of men they cohabit with. > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, > > who may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > > purused by them with other men. > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together > > viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the > > sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > > created by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by > > a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > =============unquote========= > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates > > this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating > > this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. > > many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a > > pativrata. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 dear friends following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " from uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by motilalbanarsidas. ============quote============ vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the limits of decency. there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. women are at the root of all sins. they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for erring, they do not wait. this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to sinful men casting off all shame and shyness. women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their husbands. even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and dwarfs. they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with solicitations of lust. if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by their husbands. women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned. because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to an intelligent man. fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not satiated with the number of men they cohabit with. there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like water dripping from a leather bag. women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, who may honour and console them and who may look after them well. women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love purused by them with other men. women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire. ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were created by brahma, the defect lies in women always. sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of detachment do you wish to hear. =============unquote========= the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are interested in liberation and detachment from women. members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a pativrata. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Hi All, I have a questions here. If Women is the root cause of all sins, what about " PARVATHI " the wife of LORD SIVA, Why HE did not leave parvathi (if considered Women as the root cause of all sins) & why HE did TAPASSU for her for ages, when she burnt herself with her " YOGAAGNI " after DAKSHA YAGNAM? Is he MAD of WOMAN (PARVATHI)? and what is the meaning of " ARDHANARESWARA " avatar. Is it because SIVA did not have (or dont have) proper knowledge on " root cause of all Sins " ? being a destroyer of all Sins..... I think SANYASAM is a state where you leave all your desires on this material world and attain a good state of mind where you can concentrate wholly on GOD ...may be SIVA, DEVI, VISHU, LAKSHMI, BRAHMA PADARTHAM.....etc..... We do not need to say that " Women is the root cause of all sins " just " TO HAVE LIBERATION AND DETACHMENT FROM WOMEN " . We even can live with wife, mother, sister in SANYASA DIKSHA if we can attain a state where you can leave all material desires and concentrate on GOD. And importantly, SANYASA DIKSHA is not ONLY for MEN, even WOMEN can take it. Or do you mean " SEX " is " SIN " . In that case, even the great incarnations of the GOD, like RAMA, KRISHNA have done this sin.... or are we thinking that we are greater than those incarnations?????? and other thing is we all were born because our parents did that sin (Sorry guys). So if that SIN was not performed where we were???????. So what I want to say here is SEE GOD IN EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD. I MEAN EVERYTHING. Please mind that I am a male and have read some puranas and I do MANTRA & TANTRA as part of my religious activities. Also please mind that I am not against to any puranas...just trying to understand things better.. Thanks, Madhu Maddali. panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 vedic astrology Friday, 1 February, 2008 5:54:44 AM [vedic astrology] Re: women's nature dear friends puranas remain the same puranas with same holiness and reverence even if their stories and morales are outdated according some new generation thinking. similarly some rules and codes and principles mentioned in old testament of the bible looks primitive to modern man but the old testament is as holy as new testament and is part and parcel of the holy bible. just because generations and habits have changed, we dont change the holy books like we change our country's constitution. kindly note that this narration is from a woman, that too an apsara. above all, this narration is narrated ONLY TO THOSE TARGET AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO HAVE LIBERATION AND DETACHMENT FROM WOMEN. to all those others who wish to be attached to women and dont want detachment or liberation, they may kindly ignore this story. answering to the observation of rhoda reporter, there is some part truth that when these puranas were translated into local languages and in english and even when they were taught by word of mouth, there was some male chauvinism. the book manusmriti looks so primitive and biased towards men that some political parties like bahujan samaj party have demanded a ban on it. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM <munisevitham@ ...> wrote: > > Namaste, > It explains why all religions without any exceptions considered women as sacred pookisha in a family and were kept under limited democracy ;could be seen from the modern history, till the beginning of 20th century all most all countries denied franchise them. > > Rhoda Reporter <rhodes10@.. .> wrote: thanks, i enjoyed reading this bit about women's nature. > hope in my next birth i am a male!! > that is if i am to be re born. > although i am a female i almost agree with what is written > do forgive me dear ladies!! > rr > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > dear friends > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " from > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by > motilalbanarsidas. > > ============ quote==== ======== > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the > conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an > apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was > wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel > pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for the > benefit of the world. > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women > with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > limits of decency. > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > women are at the root of all sins. > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for > erring, they do not wait. > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > sinful men casting off all shame and shyness. > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is > because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid of > their husbands. > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked > after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles > and dwarfs. > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > solicitations of lust. > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by > their husbands. > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned. > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to > an intelligent man. > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > satiated with the number of men they cohabit with. > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like > water dripping from a leather bag. > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, > who may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > purused by them with other men. > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together > viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the > sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > created by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by > a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > detachment do you wish to hear. > ============ =unquote= ======== > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates > this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating > this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. > many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a > pativrata. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > 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Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Shri Panditji, Pranam, Your post was a good one. I do not mean to interfere in your postings, but this was again a negative reflection on women. I think as a good wellwisher, you would allow me to say this. You have always guided me well with your advises, including advise to give free service and readings for requests coming on the Forums, due to which I have received lots of accolades, gifts from God, and the admiration and respect of the natives who have been answered, and last but not the least, contenetment and peace at heart, due to this helping people. In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate these well meant advises. What text has been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita' I have read worser artciles on women from venerated men of the past. But what is the actual purport of displaying this negativity, in Your mail, I quite did not understand. I suppose, most of us who have associated with women at close quarters, know about these qualities of the women, which is generalised and not categorised. I did not understand why we have to display these factors and show them in negative light. Instead if you had spoken of the good qualities of the Panch Kanyas- Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and Mandodari, it would have been much better reading. I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted mails as this one and the last one by you, on Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder whats up. I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware of all the happennings and keeping update because Net access has to be kept on, due to my other diversified business interests, which you are well aware of, so automatically I get the mails from the Forums where I have done Individual subscription, and then cannot force myself, not to read them. Hence I read the mails appearing on this and few other Forums. kind regards, Bhaskar. , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friends > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " from > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by > motilalbanarsidas. > > ============quote============ > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, listen > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment towards > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire liberation. in > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly while > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds he > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her to > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women with > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the limits > of decency. > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > women are at the root of all sins. > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for > erring, they do not wait. > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to sinful > men casting off all shame and shyness. > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional decency. > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because no man > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their husbands. > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked after > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and > dwarfs. > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > solicitations of lust. > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by their > husbands. > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned. > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to an > intelligent man. > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not satiated > with the number of men they cohabit with. > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like > water dripping from a leather bag. > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, who > may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love purused > by them with other men. > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together viz. > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp edge > of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were created > by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by a > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > detachment do you wish to hear. > =============unquote========= > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates this > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating this > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. many > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a > pativrata. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 dear bhaskarji thanks for your feedback. for the sake of clarity, the objective of my mail is to positively praise the power of a pativrata like brinda and tulasi whose stories i wrote earlier. the concluding line of my mail says that since i wrote a couple of mails earlier on the power of a pativrata and how rare a pativrata is and how powerful a pativrata is so much so that even gods are afraid of her and such great pativratas have the power even to curse the gods. some members may wonder how a pativrata is more powerful to curse even the lords. those members shall realise that a pativrata is rarest of rare in which context the nature of women is narrated by the sages to those who approached these sages seeking liberation and detachment from women. hope now there is some clarity on why the sages have narrated this story and who are their target audience viz. those sages or saints who seek liberation and detachment from women. for those living in grihastha and not pursuing detachment from women or liberation, they may simply ignore this. as regards rama issue earlier, if you remember you were opining that it was sreenadh's mistake of saying negatively on rama whereas i was saying that there is no fault of sreenadh since he merely reproduced what is written in the valmiki ramayana. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Shri Panditji, > > Pranam, > > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to > interfere in your postings, but this was again > a negative reflection on women. I think > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me > to say this. You have always guided me well > with your advises, including advise to give > free service and readings for requests > coming on the Forums, > due to which I have received lots of > accolades, gifts from God, and the > admiration and respect of the natives who > have been answered, and last but not the > least, contenetment and peace at heart, > due to this helping people. > > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate > these well meant advises. What text has > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita' > I have read worser artciles on women from > venerated men of the past. But what is the > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in > Your mail, I quite did not understand. > I suppose, most of us who have associated > with women at close quarters, know about these > qualities of the women, which > is generalised and not categorised. I did > not understand why we have to display these > factors and show them in negative light. > Instead if you had spoken of the good > qualities of the Panch Kanyas- > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and > Mandodari, it would have been much better > reading. > > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted > mails as this one and the last one by you, on > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder > whats up. > > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware > of all the happennings and keeping update > because Net access has to be kept on, > due to my other diversified business interests, > which you are well aware of, so automatically > I get the mails from the Forums where I have > done Individual subscription, and then cannot > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read > the mails appearing on this and few other > Forums. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " > from > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published > by > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > ============quote============ > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > listen > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > towards > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > liberation. in > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly > while > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds > he > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her > to > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women > with > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > limits > > of decency. > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > women are at the root of all sins. > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of > great > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities > for > > erring, they do not wait. > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > sinful > > men casting off all shame and shyness. > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who > approach > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > decency. > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because no > man > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their > husbands. > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious > women > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked > after > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and > > dwarfs. > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > > solicitations of lust. > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge > in > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by > their > > husbands. > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are > afraid > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or > imprisoned. > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even > to an > > intelligent man. > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean > is > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death > is > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > satiated > > with the number of men they cohabit with. > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a > man > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body > perfumed > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude > like > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, > who > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple > loves > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > purused > > by them with other men. > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together > viz. > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp > edge > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > created > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned > by a > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > =============unquote========= > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates > this > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating > this > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. > many > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where > pativratas > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that > a > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of > a > > pativrata. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Dear Shri Panditji, Few Observations- 1) there are many pativrata stris (Women) in todays societies too, in normal middle class households,more than we may know, who mantain their dignity amongst assaults of poverty,materialstic wants unfulfilled, and weight of too many responsibilities on their nimble delicate shoulders. 2) It is a mistake if one may think that Grihastas are supposed to persue detachment from women to gain liberation. It is not only from women but from all desires and attractions, that one grihasta or any one who has taken sanyaas, both can think of gaining liberation. In fact unless the requisite of male-female bonding is not made one cannot even think of Liberation- Why ? because he would not have been born in the first place. One cannot produce detachment from his mother and hope to gain liberation . Can he ? Cause his mother too is a women. The norms of detachment have to be the same for oth Sanyasi and Grihasta, except that the Grihasta would be bound by his duties to deliver,which on the contrary would accelerate the liberation, if done selflessly and with detachment to the results. 3) If this article was meant for the target audience for Sahes and Mahatmas who in yore had to gain lberation through detachment from the women, then what is this article doing here on this Forum ? Who is a sage or Mahatma over here ? 4) Sreenadh was certainly wrong, and so were you by siding with his wrong translation, and not reproducing of the Sanskrit shlokas, which was rectfied beautfully, by Shri Narsimha Rao, whose post was copied pasted here by someone, and which originally appeared in the " Jyotish Group " . Every word,phrase and meaning, of the wriong translation by Sreenadh was set right by Shri Narsimha ji.,which post you seem to have missed or forgotten. 5) Women are great. We men spoil them. We wish them to love us fiercely in our selfish possession, which love when does not come forth, dissappoints and causes great wars. Without women man would nowhere be. See them together and you seethe dualities merging into one another and forming a whole Wo+men = Women Women can contain a man, but man cannot contain a women. We have to Love them, respect them, for thousands of their qualities which are nought - in us. I personally cannot Live without a women. Let her be in Form of Shakti Maa, Durga, Parvati or Lakshmi or Saraswati, whichever form, but I need a women in my Life to talk with, to share my pains, to look upto, to seek blessings, for comfort. What is Life without the female essence ? Zero. Anyway....... kind regards, Bhaskar. , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear bhaskarji > > thanks for your feedback. > > for the sake of clarity, the objective of my mail is to positively > praise the power of a pativrata like brinda and tulasi whose stories > i wrote earlier. the concluding line of my mail says that since i > wrote a couple of mails earlier on the power of a pativrata and how > rare a pativrata is and how powerful a pativrata is so much so that > even gods are afraid of her and such great pativratas have the power > even to curse the gods. some members may wonder how a pativrata is > more powerful to curse even the lords. those members shall realise > that a pativrata is rarest of rare in which context the nature of > women is narrated by the sages to those who approached these sages > seeking liberation and detachment from women. > > hope now there is some clarity on why the sages have narrated this > story and who are their target audience viz. those sages or saints > who seek liberation and detachment from women. for those living in > grihastha and not pursuing detachment from women or liberation, they > may simply ignore this. > > as regards rama issue earlier, if you remember you were opining that > it was sreenadh's mistake of saying negatively on rama whereas i was > saying that there is no fault of sreenadh since he merely reproduced > what is written in the valmiki ramayana. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Shri Panditji, > > > > Pranam, > > > > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to > > interfere in your postings, but this was again > > a negative reflection on women. I think > > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me > > to say this. You have always guided me well > > with your advises, including advise to give > > free service and readings for requests > > coming on the Forums, > > due to which I have received lots of > > accolades, gifts from God, and the > > admiration and respect of the natives who > > have been answered, and last but not the > > least, contenetment and peace at heart, > > due to this helping people. > > > > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate > > these well meant advises. What text has > > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita' > > I have read worser artciles on women from > > venerated men of the past. But what is the > > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in > > Your mail, I quite did not understand. > > I suppose, most of us who have associated > > with women at close quarters, know about these > > qualities of the women, which > > is generalised and not categorised. I did > > not understand why we have to display these > > factors and show them in negative light. > > Instead if you had spoken of the good > > qualities of the Panch Kanyas- > > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and > > Mandodari, it would have been much better > > reading. > > > > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted > > mails as this one and the last one by you, on > > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder > > whats up. > > > > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope > > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware > > of all the happennings and keeping update > > because Net access has to be kept on, > > due to my other diversified business interests, > > which you are well aware of, so automatically > > I get the mails from the Forums where I have > > done Individual subscription, and then cannot > > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read > > the mails appearing on this and few other > > Forums. > > > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " > > from > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available > in > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published > > by > > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > > > ============quote============ > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what > was > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > > listen > > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > > towards > > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > > liberation. in > > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of > > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly > > while > > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds > > he > > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her > > to > > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. > > > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women > > with > > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > > limits > > > of decency. > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > > women are at the root of all sins. > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of > > great > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities > > for > > > erring, they do not wait. > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > > sinful > > > men casting off all shame and shyness. > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who > > approach > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > > decency. > > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because > no > > man > > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their > > husbands. > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious > > women > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked > > after > > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and > > > dwarfs. > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > > > solicitations of lust. > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge > > in > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by > > their > > > husbands. > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are > > afraid > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or > > imprisoned. > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they > are > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even > > to an > > > intelligent man. > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean > > is > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death > > is > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > > satiated > > > with the number of men they cohabit with. > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a > > man > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body > > perfumed > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude > > like > > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they > love, > > who > > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple > > loves > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > > purused > > > by them with other men. > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together > > viz. > > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp > > edge > > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > > created > > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned > > by a > > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > > =============unquote========= > > > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma > narrates > > this > > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating > > this > > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. > > many > > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where > > pativratas > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that > > a > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of > > a > > > pativrata. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 dear bhaskarji thanks for your positive feedback. your observation is true that grihasthas cannot detach from women as they are in families. rather grihasthas shall not even contemple of detachment since they have bounden duties towards their dependants. most members of this group are grihasthas and even the natives come often for getting married, having a happy married life etc. hence this subject of liberation and detachment from women may find few takers here but the objective of the mail was praising the pativratas who exist even today as you mentioned which is why our motherland is withstanding the tsunamis, earthquakes and terrorist attacks. rajneeshji used to preach that first a native must have bhog only after which he would understand what he is going to tyaag. unfortunatley i missed narasimhaji's translation in the other groups where i am inactive. let me now revisit those groups and mails and update myself. in fact this is one reason why i read both english and sanskrit books myself before pasting a story from a classic. anyway since sreenadhji understood the hurt feelings and removed that file and closed that thread, you too may forget that issue. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Panditji, > > Few Observations- > > 1) there are many pativrata stris (Women) > in todays societies too, in normal middle > class households,more than we may know, > who mantain their dignity amongst assaults > of poverty,materialstic wants unfulfilled, > and weight of too many responsibilities > on their nimble delicate shoulders. > > 2) It is a mistake if one may think that > Grihastas are supposed to persue > detachment from women to gain > liberation. It is not only from > women but from all desires and > attractions, that one grihasta or any > one who has taken sanyaas, both can think > of gaining liberation. In fact unless the > requisite of male-female bonding is not made > one cannot even think of Liberation- > Why ? because he would not have been born > in the first place. One cannot produce > detachment from his mother and hope to gain > liberation . Can he ? Cause his mother > too is a women. The norms of detachment have > to be the same for oth Sanyasi and Grihasta, > except that the Grihasta would be bound > by his duties to deliver,which on the contrary > would accelerate the liberation, if done > selflessly and with detachment to the results. > > 3) If this article was meant for the target > audience for Sahes and Mahatmas who in yore > had to gain lberation through detachment from the > women, then what is this article doing here on this > Forum ? Who is a sage or Mahatma over here ? > > 4) Sreenadh was certainly wrong, and so were you > by siding with his wrong translation, > and not reproducing of the Sanskrit shlokas, > which was rectfied beautfully, by Shri Narsimha > Rao, whose post was copied pasted here by someone, > and which originally appeared in the " Jyotish Group " . > Every word,phrase and meaning, of the wriong > translation by Sreenadh was set right by Shri > Narsimha ji.,which post you seem to have missed > or forgotten. > > 5) Women are great. We men spoil them. We wish > them to love us fiercely in our selfish > possession, which love when does not > come forth, dissappoints and causes great wars. > Without women man would nowhere be. > See them together and you seethe dualities > merging into one another and forming a whole > Wo+men = Women > Women can contain a man, but man cannot contain > a women. > We have to Love them, respect them, for thousands > of their qualities which are nought - in us. > > I personally cannot Live without a women. > Let her be in Form of Shakti Maa, Durga, > Parvati or Lakshmi or Saraswati, whichever form, > but I need a women in my Life to talk with, > to share my pains, to look upto, to seek blessings, > for comfort. > > What is Life without the female essence ? Zero. > > Anyway....... > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear bhaskarji > > > > thanks for your feedback. > > > > for the sake of clarity, the objective of my mail is to positively > > praise the power of a pativrata like brinda and tulasi whose > stories > > i wrote earlier. the concluding line of my mail says that since i > > wrote a couple of mails earlier on the power of a pativrata and > how > > rare a pativrata is and how powerful a pativrata is so much so > that > > even gods are afraid of her and such great pativratas have the > power > > even to curse the gods. some members may wonder how a pativrata > is > > more powerful to curse even the lords. those members shall > realise > > that a pativrata is rarest of rare in which context the nature of > > women is narrated by the sages to those who approached these sages > > seeking liberation and detachment from women. > > > > hope now there is some clarity on why the sages have narrated this > > story and who are their target audience viz. those sages or saints > > who seek liberation and detachment from women. for those living > in > > grihastha and not pursuing detachment from women or liberation, > they > > may simply ignore this. > > > > as regards rama issue earlier, if you remember you were opining > that > > it was sreenadh's mistake of saying negatively on rama whereas i > was > > saying that there is no fault of sreenadh since he merely > reproduced > > what is written in the valmiki ramayana. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Shri Panditji, > > > > > > Pranam, > > > > > > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to > > > interfere in your postings, but this was again > > > a negative reflection on women. I think > > > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me > > > to say this. You have always guided me well > > > with your advises, including advise to give > > > free service and readings for requests > > > coming on the Forums, > > > due to which I have received lots of > > > accolades, gifts from God, and the > > > admiration and respect of the natives who > > > have been answered, and last but not the > > > least, contenetment and peace at heart, > > > due to this helping people. > > > > > > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate > > > these well meant advises. What text has > > > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita' > > > I have read worser artciles on women from > > > venerated men of the past. But what is the > > > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in > > > Your mail, I quite did not understand. > > > I suppose, most of us who have associated > > > with women at close quarters, know about these > > > qualities of the women, which > > > is generalised and not categorised. I did > > > not understand why we have to display these > > > factors and show them in negative light. > > > Instead if you had spoken of the good > > > qualities of the Panch Kanyas- > > > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and > > > Mandodari, it would have been much better > > > reading. > > > > > > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted > > > mails as this one and the last one by you, on > > > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder > > > whats up. > > > > > > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope > > > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware > > > of all the happennings and keeping update > > > because Net access has to be kept on, > > > due to my other diversified business interests, > > > which you are well aware of, so automatically > > > I get the mails from the Forums where I have > > > done Individual subscription, and then cannot > > > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read > > > the mails appearing on this and few other > > > Forums. > > > > > > kind regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's > nature " > > > from > > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is > available > > in > > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 > published > > > by > > > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > > > > > ============quote============ > > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what > > was > > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it > is, > > > listen > > > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. > attachment > > > towards > > > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > > > liberation. in > > > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation > of > > > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). > formerly > > > while > > > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the > worlds > > > he > > > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes > her > > > to > > > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. > > > > > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, > women > > > with > > > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > > > limits > > > > of decency. > > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > > > women are at the root of all sins. > > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, > of > > > great > > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get > opportunities > > > for > > > > erring, they do not wait. > > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort > to > > > sinful > > > > men casting off all shame and shyness. > > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who > > > approach > > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > > > decency. > > > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is > because > > no > > > man > > > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their > > > husbands. > > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious > > > women > > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and > looked > > > after > > > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles > and > > > > dwarfs. > > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women > with > > > > solicitations of lust. > > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to > indulge > > > in > > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad > by > > > their > > > > husbands. > > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are > > > afraid > > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or > > > imprisoned. > > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they > > are > > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible > even > > > to an > > > > intelligent man. > > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the > ocean > > > is > > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of > death > > > is > > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > > > satiated > > > > with the number of men they cohabit with. > > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on > seeing a > > > man > > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body > > > perfumed > > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to > exude > > > like > > > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they > > love, > > > who > > > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with > simple > > > loves > > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit > love > > > purused > > > > by them with other men. > > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put > together > > > viz. > > > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the > sharp > > > edge > > > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women > were > > > created > > > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as > mentioned > > > by a > > > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > > > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > > > =============unquote========= > > > > > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma > > narrates > > > this > > > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada > narrating > > > this > > > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other > puranas. > > > many > > > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where > > > pativratas > > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight > that > > > a > > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid > of > > > a > > > > pativrata. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Namaste.. Bhaskar ji good observations and well said.. Panditji, though I understand your intentions are noble trying to present the powerfulness of pativarta woman, but generalising womens nature in such poor light is not helpful, be it that it was in the purans of thousands of years ago.. Vulnerable individuals can use it to justify greater astroscities towards women.. Woman were taken as throphies in battles etc.. Not many will appreciate that those times very different, women were helpless victims, whose rights and views were not even entertained or sought.. they lives had been one of bondage and servitude, no more than domesticated animals.. The 5 digits on the same hand are all different in shape, size or length and placement, yet each digit is valuable and if any is hurt, the pain is the same and real. Generalising about any gender or race or colour etc is not fair nor helpful Men need guidance for obtaining detachment from women?? What does it say about men?? As I understand, the detachment should be from lust.. not women.. A liberated individual see the whole world as God's creation, every living and non living thing is loved,respected, appreciated and s/he is impartial.. S/He has divine love for all, men, women, child, elderly, animals and enviroment, except there isnt the attachment to anyone or anything. His love is totally unconditional and for everyone. Regards Sheevani , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Panditji, > > Few Observations- > > 1) there are many pativrata stris (Women) > in todays societies too, in normal middle > class households,more than we may know, > who mantain their dignity amongst assaults > of poverty,materialstic wants unfulfilled, > and weight of too many responsibilities > on their nimble delicate shoulders. > > 2) It is a mistake if one may think that > Grihastas are supposed to persue > detachment from women to gain > liberation. It is not only from > women but from all desires and > attractions, that one grihasta or any > one who has taken sanyaas, both can think > of gaining liberation. In fact unless the > requisite of male-female bonding is not made > one cannot even think of Liberation- > Why ? because he would not have been born > in the first place. One cannot produce > detachment from his mother and hope to gain > liberation . Can he ? Cause his mother > too is a women. The norms of detachment have > to be the same for oth Sanyasi and Grihasta, > except that the Grihasta would be bound > by his duties to deliver,which on the contrary > would accelerate the liberation, if done > selflessly and with detachment to the results. > > 3) If this article was meant for the target > audience for Sahes and Mahatmas who in yore > had to gain lberation through detachment from the > women, then what is this article doing here on this > Forum ? Who is a sage or Mahatma over here ? > > 4) Sreenadh was certainly wrong, and so were you > by siding with his wrong translation, > and not reproducing of the Sanskrit shlokas, > which was rectfied beautfully, by Shri Narsimha > Rao, whose post was copied pasted here by someone, > and which originally appeared in the " Jyotish Group " . > Every word,phrase and meaning, of the wriong > translation by Sreenadh was set right by Shri > Narsimha ji.,which post you seem to have missed > or forgotten. > > 5) Women are great. We men spoil them. We wish > them to love us fiercely in our selfish > possession, which love when does not > come forth, dissappoints and causes great wars. > Without women man would nowhere be. > See them together and you seethe dualities > merging into one another and forming a whole > Wo+men = Women > Women can contain a man, but man cannot contain > a women. > We have to Love them, respect them, for thousands > of their qualities which are nought - in us. > > I personally cannot Live without a women. > Let her be in Form of Shakti Maa, Durga, > Parvati or Lakshmi or Saraswati, whichever form, > but I need a women in my Life to talk with, > to share my pains, to look upto, to seek blessings, > for comfort. > > What is Life without the female essence ? Zero. > > Anyway....... > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear bhaskarji > > > > thanks for your feedback. > > > > for the sake of clarity, the objective of my mail is to positively > > praise the power of a pativrata like brinda and tulasi whose > stories > > i wrote earlier. the concluding line of my mail says that since i > > wrote a couple of mails earlier on the power of a pativrata and > how > > rare a pativrata is and how powerful a pativrata is so much so > that > > even gods are afraid of her and such great pativratas have the > power > > even to curse the gods. some members may wonder how a pativrata > is > > more powerful to curse even the lords. those members shall > realise > > that a pativrata is rarest of rare in which context the nature of > > women is narrated by the sages to those who approached these sages > > seeking liberation and detachment from women. > > > > hope now there is some clarity on why the sages have narrated this > > story and who are their target audience viz. those sages or saints > > who seek liberation and detachment from women. for those living > in > > grihastha and not pursuing detachment from women or liberation, > they > > may simply ignore this. > > > > as regards rama issue earlier, if you remember you were opining > that > > it was sreenadh's mistake of saying negatively on rama whereas i > was > > saying that there is no fault of sreenadh since he merely > reproduced > > what is written in the valmiki ramayana. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Shri Panditji, > > > > > > Pranam, > > > > > > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to > > > interfere in your postings, but this was again > > > a negative reflection on women. I think > > > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me > > > to say this. You have always guided me well > > > with your advises, including advise to give > > > free service and readings for requests > > > coming on the Forums, > > > due to which I have received lots of > > > accolades, gifts from God, and the > > > admiration and respect of the natives who > > > have been answered, and last but not the > > > least, contenetment and peace at heart, > > > due to this helping people. > > > > > > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate > > > these well meant advises. What text has > > > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita' > > > I have read worser artciles on women from > > > venerated men of the past. But what is the > > > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in > > > Your mail, I quite did not understand. > > > I suppose, most of us who have associated > > > with women at close quarters, know about these > > > qualities of the women, which > > > is generalised and not categorised. I did > > > not understand why we have to display these > > > factors and show them in negative light. > > > Instead if you had spoken of the good > > > qualities of the Panch Kanyas- > > > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and > > > Mandodari, it would have been much better > > > reading. > > > > > > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted > > > mails as this one and the last one by you, on > > > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder > > > whats up. > > > > > > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope > > > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware > > > of all the happennings and keeping update > > > because Net access has to be kept on, > > > due to my other diversified business interests, > > > which you are well aware of, so automatically > > > I get the mails from the Forums where I have > > > done Individual subscription, and then cannot > > > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read > > > the mails appearing on this and few other > > > Forums. > > > > > > kind regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's > nature " > > > from > > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is > available > > in > > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 > published > > > by > > > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > > > > > ============quote============ > > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what > > was > > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it > is, > > > listen > > > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. > attachment > > > towards > > > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > > > liberation. in > > > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation > of > > > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). > formerly > > > while > > > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the > worlds > > > he > > > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes > her > > > to > > > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. > > > > > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, > women > > > with > > > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > > > limits > > > > of decency. > > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > > > women are at the root of all sins. > > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, > of > > > great > > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get > opportunities > > > for > > > > erring, they do not wait. > > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort > to > > > sinful > > > > men casting off all shame and shyness. > > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who > > > approach > > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > > > decency. > > > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is > because > > no > > > man > > > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their > > > husbands. > > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious > > > women > > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and > looked > > > after > > > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles > and > > > > dwarfs. > > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women > with > > > > solicitations of lust. > > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to > indulge > > > in > > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad > by > > > their > > > > husbands. > > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are > > > afraid > > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or > > > imprisoned. > > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they > > are > > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible > even > > > to an > > > > intelligent man. > > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the > ocean > > > is > > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of > death > > > is > > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > > > satiated > > > > with the number of men they cohabit with. > > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on > seeing a > > > man > > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body > > > perfumed > > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to > exude > > > like > > > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they > > love, > > > who > > > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with > simple > > > loves > > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit > love > > > purused > > > > by them with other men. > > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put > together > > > viz. > > > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the > sharp > > > edge > > > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women > were > > > created > > > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as > mentioned > > > by a > > > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > > > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > > > =============unquote========= > > > > > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma > > narrates > > > this > > > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada > narrating > > > this > > > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other > puranas. > > > many > > > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where > > > pativratas > > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight > that > > > a > > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid > of > > > a > > > > pativrata. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Dear Sheevani and other readers, Another factor to be seriously considered (if we believe in karma and rebirth) is simply this: Who is to say that women born today may not be the fragments of the same soul that at one point many births ago experienced oppression? Or the converse is true too: Those who oppressed or abused etc will have to be born as the oppressed to realize things such as: Do they dish out what they received earlier, out of vengeance? Do they have a better understanding of why one human turns against another? Do they now have the full story and greater understanding of this complex phenomenon called Human Experience? I see a lot of see-sawing that goes in minds about what is fated and what is the product of free will and rational choice and thus personal responsibility. Not that it is easy to figure out or even consistently understand what indeed is the final Truth in all this. Many of these are emotion driven conclusions (regardless of the moral aspect). When we hear of a child being harmed, we immediately accuse the perpetrator and deem it to be a sin and punishable act (and it would be my first reaction too -- like the news story in Saskatchewan, Canada where an individual was picked up with severe hypothermia and nearly dead. After 8 hours he 'thawed' enough to enquire about his daughters who were with him, 3 and 1 year old, a search for whom began and both were found frozen and dead! This is an example where our first reaction would be: What kind of a father this is who would take his daughters out on a day like this (they are experiencing extreme cold weather with -50 degrees celsius temperatures!) and risk three lives? A no brainer, but who really knows what the Leela behind all this was or about? But we feel differently when we hear of an aged dictator dying. Who was the bigger sinner? The distraught, stoned, dumb-witted father whose *poor choices* led to his daughters' death? And who would probably get life sentence for what he did? Or the dictator who killed hundreds of thousands and tortured many more for decades and then was kept alive for few more decades until " multiple organ failures " caused a natural death and he pretty much continued to live like a king, albeit exiled while his history and acts shall keep thumbing their collective noses for eons to come! There are hundreds and thousands of similar examples worldwide and you would not even need to go back more than 100-200 years in history to find those! I see there a double standard in terms of morality, globally! Am I the only one? We always reach out for convenient targets as we skirt around REAL issues! Namastey! RR , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147 wrote: > > Namaste.. > > Bhaskar ji good observations and well said.. > > Panditji, though I understand your intentions are noble trying to > present the powerfulness of pativarta woman, but generalising womens > nature in such poor light is not helpful, be it that it was in the > purans of thousands of years ago.. Vulnerable individuals can use it > to justify greater astroscities towards women.. Woman were taken as > throphies in battles etc.. Not many will appreciate that those times > very different, women were helpless victims, whose rights and views > were not even entertained or sought.. they lives had been one of > bondage and servitude, no more than domesticated animals.. > > The 5 digits on the same hand are all different in shape, size or > length and placement, yet each digit is valuable and if any is hurt, > the pain is the same and real. Generalising about any gender or race > or colour etc is not fair nor helpful > > Men need guidance for obtaining detachment from women?? What does it > say about men?? > > As I understand, the detachment should be from lust.. not women.. > > > A liberated individual see the whole world as God's creation, every > living and non living thing is loved,respected, appreciated and s/he > is impartial.. S/He has divine love for all, men, women, child, > elderly, animals and enviroment, except there isnt the attachment to > anyone or anything. His love is totally unconditional and for > everyone. > > > Regards > Sheevani > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Panditji, > > > > Few Observations- > > > > 1) there are many pativrata stris (Women) > > in todays societies too, in normal middle > > class households,more than we may know, > > who mantain their dignity amongst assaults > > of poverty,materialstic wants unfulfilled, > > and weight of too many responsibilities > > on their nimble delicate shoulders. > > > > 2) It is a mistake if one may think that > > Grihastas are supposed to persue > > detachment from women to gain > > liberation. It is not only from > > women but from all desires and > > attractions, that one grihasta or any > > one who has taken sanyaas, both can think > > of gaining liberation. In fact unless the > > requisite of male-female bonding is not made > > one cannot even think of Liberation- > > Why ? because he would not have been born > > in the first place. One cannot produce > > detachment from his mother and hope to gain > > liberation . Can he ? Cause his mother > > too is a women. The norms of detachment have > > to be the same for oth Sanyasi and Grihasta, > > except that the Grihasta would be bound > > by his duties to deliver,which on the contrary > > would accelerate the liberation, if done > > selflessly and with detachment to the results. > > > > 3) If this article was meant for the target > > audience for Sahes and Mahatmas who in yore > > had to gain lberation through detachment from the > > women, then what is this article doing here on this > > Forum ? Who is a sage or Mahatma over here ? > > > > 4) Sreenadh was certainly wrong, and so were you > > by siding with his wrong translation, > > and not reproducing of the Sanskrit shlokas, > > which was rectfied beautfully, by Shri Narsimha > > Rao, whose post was copied pasted here by someone, > > and which originally appeared in the " Jyotish Group " . > > Every word,phrase and meaning, of the wriong > > translation by Sreenadh was set right by Shri > > Narsimha ji.,which post you seem to have missed > > or forgotten. > > > > 5) Women are great. We men spoil them. We wish > > them to love us fiercely in our selfish > > possession, which love when does not > > come forth, dissappoints and causes great wars. > > Without women man would nowhere be. > > See them together and you seethe dualities > > merging into one another and forming a whole > > Wo+men = Women > > Women can contain a man, but man cannot contain > > a women. > > We have to Love them, respect them, for thousands > > of their qualities which are nought - in us. > > > > I personally cannot Live without a women. > > Let her be in Form of Shakti Maa, Durga, > > Parvati or Lakshmi or Saraswati, whichever form, > > but I need a women in my Life to talk with, > > to share my pains, to look upto, to seek blessings, > > for comfort. > > > > What is Life without the female essence ? Zero. > > > > Anyway....... > > > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear bhaskarji > > > > > > thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > for the sake of clarity, the objective of my mail is to > positively > > > praise the power of a pativrata like brinda and tulasi whose > > stories > > > i wrote earlier. the concluding line of my mail says that since > i > > > wrote a couple of mails earlier on the power of a pativrata and > > how > > > rare a pativrata is and how powerful a pativrata is so much so > > that > > > even gods are afraid of her and such great pativratas have the > > power > > > even to curse the gods. some members may wonder how a pativrata > > is > > > more powerful to curse even the lords. those members shall > > realise > > > that a pativrata is rarest of rare in which context the nature of > > > women is narrated by the sages to those who approached these > sages > > > seeking liberation and detachment from women. > > > > > > hope now there is some clarity on why the sages have narrated > this > > > story and who are their target audience viz. those sages or > saints > > > who seek liberation and detachment from women. for those living > > in > > > grihastha and not pursuing detachment from women or liberation, > > they > > > may simply ignore this. > > > > > > as regards rama issue earlier, if you remember you were opining > > that > > > it was sreenadh's mistake of saying negatively on rama whereas i > > was > > > saying that there is no fault of sreenadh since he merely > > reproduced > > > what is written in the valmiki ramayana. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Panditji, > > > > > > > > Pranam, > > > > > > > > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to > > > > interfere in your postings, but this was again > > > > a negative reflection on women. I think > > > > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me > > > > to say this. You have always guided me well > > > > with your advises, including advise to give > > > > free service and readings for requests > > > > coming on the Forums, > > > > due to which I have received lots of > > > > accolades, gifts from God, and the > > > > admiration and respect of the natives who > > > > have been answered, and last but not the > > > > least, contenetment and peace at heart, > > > > due to this helping people. > > > > > > > > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate > > > > these well meant advises. What text has > > > > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita' > > > > I have read worser artciles on women from > > > > venerated men of the past. But what is the > > > > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in > > > > Your mail, I quite did not understand. > > > > I suppose, most of us who have associated > > > > with women at close quarters, know about these > > > > qualities of the women, which > > > > is generalised and not categorised. I did > > > > not understand why we have to display these > > > > factors and show them in negative light. > > > > Instead if you had spoken of the good > > > > qualities of the Panch Kanyas- > > > > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and > > > > Mandodari, it would have been much better > > > > reading. > > > > > > > > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted > > > > mails as this one and the last one by you, on > > > > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder > > > > whats up. > > > > > > > > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope > > > > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware > > > > of all the happennings and keeping update > > > > because Net access has to be kept on, > > > > due to my other diversified business interests, > > > > which you are well aware of, so automatically > > > > I get the mails from the Forums where I have > > > > done Individual subscription, and then cannot > > > > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read > > > > the mails appearing on this and few other > > > > Forums. > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's > > nature " > > > > from > > > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is > > available > > > in > > > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 > > published > > > > by > > > > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > > > > > > > ============quote============ > > > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly > what > > > was > > > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > > > > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it > > is, > > > > listen > > > > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > > > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. > > attachment > > > > towards > > > > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > > > > liberation. in > > > > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the > conversation > > of > > > > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). > > formerly > > > > while > > > > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the > > worlds > > > > he > > > > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes > > her > > > > to > > > > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. > > > > > > > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > > > > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, > > women > > > > with > > > > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within > the > > > > limits > > > > > of decency. > > > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > > > > women are at the root of all sins. > > > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, > > of > > > > great > > > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get > > opportunities > > > > for > > > > > erring, they do not wait. > > > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort > > to > > > > sinful > > > > > men casting off all shame and shyness. > > > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who > > > > approach > > > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > > > > decency. > > > > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is > > because > > > no > > > > man > > > > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their > > > > husbands. > > > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of > lascivious > > > > women > > > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments > and > > > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and > > looked > > > > after > > > > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles > > and > > > > > dwarfs. > > > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women > > with > > > > > solicitations of lust. > > > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to > > indulge > > > > in > > > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad > > by > > > > their > > > > > husbands. > > > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they > are > > > > afraid > > > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or > > > > imprisoned. > > > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please > they > > > are > > > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible > > even > > > > to an > > > > > intelligent man. > > > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the > > ocean > > > > is > > > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of > > death > > > > is > > > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are > not > > > > satiated > > > > > with the number of men they cohabit with. > > > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on > > seeing a > > > > man > > > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body > > > > perfumed > > > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to > > exude > > > > like > > > > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they > > > love, > > > > who > > > > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with > > simple > > > > loves > > > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit > > love > > > > purused > > > > > by them with other men. > > > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put > > together > > > > viz. > > > > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the > > sharp > > > > edge > > > > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women > > were > > > > created > > > > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > > > > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as > > mentioned > > > > by a > > > > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause > of > > > > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > > > > =============unquote========= > > > > > > > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma > > > narrates > > > > this > > > > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada > > narrating > > > > this > > > > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other > > puranas. > > > > many > > > > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who > are > > > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > > > > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where > > > > pativratas > > > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight > > that > > > > a > > > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are > afraid > > of > > > > a > > > > > pativrata. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 The irony of the story is that all these "inducement to vices" cannot be perpetuated without a partner, a man participating in it. When we cut-paste these stories and quote the Gods/Sages- we raise unnecessary controversies. After all it is Lord Shiva who presented himself in Half-Man, Half-Woman swaroop to explain the mysteries of creation. This can create unnecessary arguments like the one engaged by our politicians against Manu and even the Bhagvad Gita. Nobody understands that caste is based on what you do or what you have done, and there is full mobility possible upwards and downwards. Basically we do cannot see beyond a woman's body and her typical roles in society and typical traits that get magnified due to this role. These words are spoken in a rarified context and gender is only incidental. I bet some Lady sage would have used a man and his enticing presence as a source of corruption for woman. --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Aum Raajamaatangyae Namaha Namaste. Let me take this opportunity to express my views about this passage that everybody is so passionately discussing here. Devarishi Narada is a confirmed Brahmachaari. So, when He saw the beautiful Panchachuda and asked Her to describe the nature of women, She probably would have got worried and wondered why He was getting so interested in women. She might have come up with this long list of negative aspects of women because She wanted to put an end to Narada's sudden curiosity about them. If She were to list all the positive qualities of women, She probably would have thought that Narada would get tempted to break His vow of brahmacharyatvam and get married. By so blatantly defaming women, Panchachuda had only tried to protect Devarishi Narada's vow. Don't you think this by itself is a virtue of womanhood? With warm regards, Sindhu Madhusudan On Jan 31, 2008 6:46 PM, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear friends > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " from > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by > motilalbanarsidas. > > ============quote============ > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, listen > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment towards > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire liberation. in > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly while > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds he > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her to > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women with > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the limits > of decency. > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > women are at the root of all sins. > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for > erring, they do not wait. > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to sinful > men casting off all shame and shyness. > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional decency. > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because no man > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their husbands. > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked after > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and > dwarfs. > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > solicitations of lust. > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by their > husbands. > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned. > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to an > intelligent man. > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not satiated > with the number of men they cohabit with. > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like > water dripping from a leather bag. > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, who > may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love purused > by them with other men. > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together viz. > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp edge > of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were created > by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by a > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > detachment do you wish to hear. > =============unquote========= > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates this > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating this > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. many > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a > pativrata. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 dear bhaskarji - as stri who are pativrats are rare ; same patnivrata purush are also rare :-)); any one who have trust, faith, love and devotiness in relations (it includes earthy and devine both)will get some extraordinary powers from nature - no doubt in that. and women are more powerfull in comp of man - i think so. we may have diffrent opinion, but end result is one. rgds niket , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Shri Panditji, > > Pranam, > > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to > interfere in your postings, but this was again > a negative reflection on women. I think > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me > to say this. You have always guided me well > with your advises, including advise to give > free service and readings for requests > coming on the Forums, > due to which I have received lots of > accolades, gifts from God, and the > admiration and respect of the natives who > have been answered, and last but not the > least, contenetment and peace at heart, > due to this helping people. > > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate > these well meant advises. What text has > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita' > I have read worser artciles on women from > venerated men of the past. But what is the > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in > Your mail, I quite did not understand. > I suppose, most of us who have associated > with women at close quarters, know about these > qualities of the women, which > is generalised and not categorised. I did > not understand why we have to display these > factors and show them in negative light. > Instead if you had spoken of the good > qualities of the Panch Kanyas- > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and > Mandodari, it would have been much better > reading. > > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted > mails as this one and the last one by you, on > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder > whats up. > > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware > of all the happennings and keeping update > because Net access has to be kept on, > due to my other diversified business interests, > which you are well aware of, so automatically > I get the mails from the Forums where I have > done Individual subscription, and then cannot > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read > the mails appearing on this and few other > Forums. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " > from > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published > by > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > ============quote============ > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > listen > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > towards > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > liberation. in > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly > while > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds > he > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her > to > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women > with > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > limits > > of decency. > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > women are at the root of all sins. > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of > great > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities > for > > erring, they do not wait. > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > sinful > > men casting off all shame and shyness. > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who > approach > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > decency. > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because no > man > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their > husbands. > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious > women > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked > after > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and > > dwarfs. > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > > solicitations of lust. > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge > in > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by > their > > husbands. > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are > afraid > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or > imprisoned. > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even > to an > > intelligent man. > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean > is > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death > is > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > satiated > > with the number of men they cohabit with. > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a > man > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body > perfumed > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude > like > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, > who > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple > loves > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > purused > > by them with other men. > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together > viz. > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp > edge > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > created > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned > by a > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > =============unquote========= > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates > this > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating > this > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. > many > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where > pativratas > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that > a > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of > a > > pativrata. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 I have not participated into this unusual discussion so far. There are very learned members on this forum and I have high regards for them. Motilal Banarsidas is also a well known publisher. However, wish to clarify that around twenty-four thousand shlokas of Shiv Purana are divided into six samhitas or sections named Jnana Samhita, Vidyeshvara Samhita, Kailash Samhita, Sanatkumar Samhita, Vayaviya Samhita and Dharma Samhita. Each Samhita is further subdivided into chapters (adhyaya). Jnana Samhita has seventy-eight chapters, Vidyeshvara Samhita sixteen, Kailash Samhita twelve, Sanathkumar Samhita fifty-nine, Vayaviya Samhita thirty and Dharma Samhita sixty-five. Best wishes, Amitabh > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " > from > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published > by > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > ============ quote==== ======== > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > listen > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > towards > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > liberation. in > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly > while > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds > he > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her > to > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women > with > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > limits > > of decency. > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > women are at the root of all sins. > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of > great > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities > for > > erring, they do not wait. > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > sinful > > men casting off all shame and shyness. > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who > approach > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > decency. > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because no > man > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their > husbands. > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious > women > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked > after > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and > > dwarfs. > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > > solicitations of lust. > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge > in > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by > their > > husbands. > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are > afraid > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or > imprisoned. > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even > to an > > intelligent man. > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean > is > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death > is > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > satiated > > with the number of men they cohabit with. > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a > man > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body > perfumed > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude > like > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, > who > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple > loves > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > purused > > by them with other men. > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together > viz. > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp > edge > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > created > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned > by a > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > ============ =unquote= ======== > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates > this > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating > this > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. > many > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where > pativratas > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that > a > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of > a > > pativrata. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > <!-- #ygrp-mkp{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px 0px;padding:0px 14px;} #ygrp-mkp hr{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #ygrp-mkp #hd{ color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} #ygrp-mkp #ads{ margin-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-mkp .ad{ padding:0 0;} #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} --> <!-- #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ font-family:Arial;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} --> <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} 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Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Bejan Daruwala is very well known. So is Linda Goodman.So is Bin laden. So is Dawood Ibrahim. So is george Bush. So is Musharraf. So are, so many. Being Well known would not be the criteria for being good always in any particular field. Motilal Banarsidas is very money minded. They do not even mention their prices on the books they sell. They keep on upgrading the prices on the weight of demand of any particular title, is my experience. This is known to me because I have many of their books on spirituality. A Publisher who is money minded would also search for authors who are cheap. They would compromise , to make their production costs low. Now your mail has not given the actual purport of the particular context which we require, where the bad nature of women has been given, so as to assess the full meaningful presentation where this distatsteful issue has been cited. I am sure those who have the Gita press " Shiv Puarana " would be able to give a better view, in a more positive vein, rather than what has been displayed to us. rgrds/Bhaskar. , Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri wrote: > > I have not participated into this unusual discussion so far. There are very learned members on this forum and I have high regards for them. Motilal Banarsidas is also a well known publisher. > > However, wish to clarify that around twenty-four thousand shlokas of Shiv Purana are divided into six > samhitas or sections named Jnana Samhita, > Vidyeshvara Samhita, Kailash Samhita, Sanatkumar Samhita, Vayaviya Samhita and Dharma Samhita. Each Samhita is further subdivided into > chapters (adhyaya). Jnana Samhita has seventy-eight chapters, > Vidyeshvara Samhita sixteen, Kailash Samhita twelve, Sanathkumar > Samhita fifty-nine, Vayaviya Samhita thirty and Dharma Samhita > sixty-five. > > Best wishes, > Amitabh > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " > > > from > > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available > > in > > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published > > > by > > > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > > > > > ============ quote==== ======== > > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what > > was > > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > > > listen > > > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > > > towards > > > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > > > liberation. in > > > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of > > > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly > > > while > > > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds > > > he > > > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her > > > to > > > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. > > > > > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women > > > with > > > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > > > limits > > > > of decency. > > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > > > women are at the root of all sins. > > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of > > > great > > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities > > > for > > > > erring, they do not wait. > > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > > > sinful > > > > men casting off all shame and shyness. > > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who > > > approach > > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > > > decency. > > > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because > > no > > > man > > > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their > > > husbands. > > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious > > > women > > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked > > > after > > > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and > > > > dwarfs. > > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > > > > solicitations of lust. > > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge > > > in > > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by > > > their > > > > husbands. > > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are > > > afraid > > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or > > > imprisoned. > > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they > > are > > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even > > > to an > > > > intelligent man. > > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean > > > is > > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death > > > is > > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > > > satiated > > > > with the number of men they cohabit with. > > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a > > > man > > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body > > > perfumed > > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude > > > like > > > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they > > love, > > > who > > > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple > > > loves > > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > > > purused > > > > by them with other men. > > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together > > > viz. > > > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp > > > edge > > > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > > > created > > > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned > > > by a > > > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > > > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > > > ============ =unquote= ======== > > > > > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma > > narrates > > > this > > > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating > > > this > > > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. > > > many > > > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where > > > pativratas > > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that > > > a > > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of > > > a > > > > pativrata. > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 I think this arjun pandit is same pandit who sales 1 mukhi rudrakschha for rs 5 lakhs... and simultaneously advices to Bhaskar Ji like good people to do some charity. beware of such people... they have got 2 faces. regards, Lalit. , " astroiniket " <astroiniket wrote: > > dear bhaskarji - as stri who are pativrats are rare ; same patnivrata > purush are also rare :-)); any one who have trust, faith, love and > devotiness in relations (it includes earthy and devine both)will get > some extraordinary powers from nature - no doubt in that. and women > are more powerfull in comp of man - i think so. we may have diffrent > opinion, but end result is one. > > rgds > niket > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Shri Panditji, > > > > Pranam, > > > > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to > > interfere in your postings, but this was again > > a negative reflection on women. I think > > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me > > to say this. You have always guided me well > > with your advises, including advise to give > > free service and readings for requests > > coming on the Forums, > > due to which I have received lots of > > accolades, gifts from God, and the > > admiration and respect of the natives who > > have been answered, and last but not the > > least, contenetment and peace at heart, > > due to this helping people. > > > > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate > > these well meant advises. What text has > > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita' > > I have read worser artciles on women from > > venerated men of the past. But what is the > > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in > > Your mail, I quite did not understand. > > I suppose, most of us who have associated > > with women at close quarters, know about these > > qualities of the women, which > > is generalised and not categorised. I did > > not understand why we have to display these > > factors and show them in negative light. > > Instead if you had spoken of the good > > qualities of the Panch Kanyas- > > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and > > Mandodari, it would have been much better > > reading. > > > > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted > > mails as this one and the last one by you, on > > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder > > whats up. > > > > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope > > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware > > of all the happennings and keeping update > > because Net access has to be kept on, > > due to my other diversified business interests, > > which you are well aware of, so automatically > > I get the mails from the Forums where I have > > done Individual subscription, and then cannot > > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read > > the mails appearing on this and few other > > Forums. > > > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " > > from > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available > in > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published > > by > > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > > > ============quote============ > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what > was > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > > listen > > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > > towards > > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > > liberation. in > > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of > > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly > > while > > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds > > he > > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her > > to > > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. > > > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women > > with > > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > > limits > > > of decency. > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > > women are at the root of all sins. > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of > > great > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities > > for > > > erring, they do not wait. > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > > sinful > > > men casting off all shame and shyness. > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who > > approach > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > > decency. > > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because > no > > man > > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their > > husbands. > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious > > women > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked > > after > > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and > > > dwarfs. > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > > > solicitations of lust. > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge > > in > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by > > their > > > husbands. > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are > > afraid > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or > > imprisoned. > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they > are > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even > > to an > > > intelligent man. > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean > > is > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death > > is > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > > satiated > > > with the number of men they cohabit with. > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a > > man > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body > > perfumed > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude > > like > > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they > love, > > who > > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple > > loves > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > > purused > > > by them with other men. > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together > > viz. > > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp > > edge > > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > > created > > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned > > by a > > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > > =============unquote========= > > > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma > narrates > > this > > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating > > this > > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. > > many > > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where > > pativratas > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that > > a > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of > > a > > > pativrata. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 dear friend thanks for your positive feedback. it is naturally human to get all sorts of doubts like the ones you expressed after reading that story on the causes of detachment. even the gods, when took the human form and were born to a mother just like we all humans, suffered like we all humans despite standing tall for their past divine qualities. to put positively, the disciples or shishyas when approch a guru or a sage seeking the path of liberation, salvation or mukti, the sage advises them that this life and death cycle carries on and on as long as you have desires and since woman is the source of creation, if you have detachment from women, you can easily attain salvation. otherwise for all those interested in attachment with women and interested in reproductive mechanicm, this story is not meant for them and they may ignore or banish this story as a curriculum in the school of liberation. you were opining that liberation and salvation can be done even with attacment to a woman and even grihasthas can have liberation and salvation which means you have bifurcated liberation to suit the wordly and the renounced. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com vedic astrology , Maddali Madhusudhana Rao <mnvmadhusudhanarao wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have a questions here. If Women is the root cause of all sins, what about " PARVATHI " the wife of LORD SIVA, > > Why HE did not leave parvathi (if considered Women as the root cause of all sins) & why HE did TAPASSU for her for ages, when she burnt herself with her " YOGAAGNI " after DAKSHA YAGNAM? Is he MAD of WOMAN (PARVATHI)? > > and what is the meaning of " ARDHANARESWARA " avatar. Is it because SIVA did not have (or dont have) proper knowledge on " root cause of all Sins " ? being a destroyer of all Sins..... > > I think SANYASAM is a state where you leave all your desires on this material world and attain a good state of mind where you can concentrate wholly on GOD ..may be SIVA, DEVI, VISHU, LAKSHMI, BRAHMA PADARTHAM.....etc..... > > We do not need to say that " Women is the root cause of all sins " just " TO HAVE LIBERATION AND DETACHMENT FROM WOMEN " . > > We even can live with wife, mother, sister in SANYASA DIKSHA if we can attain a state where you can leave all material desires and concentrate on GOD. And importantly, SANYASA DIKSHA is not ONLY for MEN, even WOMEN can take it. > > Or do you mean " SEX " is " SIN " . In that case, even the great incarnations of the GOD, like RAMA, KRISHNA have done this sin.... or are we thinking that we are greater than those incarnations?????? and other thing is we all were born because our parents did that sin (Sorry guys). > So if that SIN was not performed where we were???????. > > So what I want to say here is SEE GOD IN EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD. I MEAN EVERYTHING. > > Please mind that I am a male and have read some puranas and I do MANTRA & TANTRA as part of my religious activities. > Also please mind that I am not against to any puranas...just trying to understand things better.. > > Thanks, > Madhu Maddali. > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > vedic astrology > Friday, 1 February, 2008 5:54:44 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: women's nature > > dear friends > > puranas remain the same puranas with same holiness and reverence even > if their stories and morales are outdated according some new > generation thinking. > > similarly some rules and codes and principles mentioned in old > testament of the bible looks primitive to modern man but the old > testament is as holy as new testament and is part and parcel of the > holy bible. > > just because generations and habits have changed, we dont change the > holy books like we change our country's constitution. > > kindly note that this narration is from a woman, that too an apsara. > > above all, this narration is narrated ONLY TO THOSE TARGET AUDIENCE > WHO WISH TO HAVE LIBERATION AND DETACHMENT FROM WOMEN. to all those > others who wish to be attached to women and dont want detachment or > liberation, they may kindly ignore this story. > > answering to the observation of rhoda reporter, there is some part > truth that when these puranas were translated into local languages > and in english and even when they were taught by word of mouth, there > was some male chauvinism. the book manusmriti looks so primitive and > biased towards men that some political parties like bahujan samaj > party have demanded a ban on it. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM > <munisevitham@ ...> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > It explains why all religions without any exceptions considered > women as sacred pookisha in a family and were kept under limited > democracy ;could be seen from the modern history, till the beginning > of 20th century all most all countries denied franchise them. > > > > Rhoda Reporter <rhodes10@ .> > wrote: thanks, i enjoyed reading this > bit about women's nature. > > hope in my next birth i am a male!! > > that is if i am to be re born. > > although i am a female i almost agree with what is written > > do forgive me dear ladies!! > > rr > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > dear friends > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " > from > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published > by > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > ============ quote==== ======== > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > > listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women > are > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > > towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > > liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the > > conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an > > apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was > > wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel > > pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for > the > > benefit of the world. > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women > > with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within > the > > limits of decency. > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > women are at the root of all sins. > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of > great > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities > for > > erring, they do not wait. > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > > sinful men casting off all shame and shyness. > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who > approach > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > > decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is > > because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid > of > > their husbands. > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious > women > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked > > after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, > imbeciles > > and dwarfs. > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > > solicitations of lust. > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge > in > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by > > their husbands. > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are > afraid > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or > imprisoned. > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even > to > > an intelligent man. > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean > is > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death > is > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > > satiated with the number of men they cohabit with. > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a > man > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body > perfumed > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude > like > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, > > who may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple > loves > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > > purused by them with other men. > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together > > viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the > > sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > > created by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned > by > > a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > ============ =unquote= ======== > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates > > this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada > narrating > > this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other > puranas. > > many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who > are > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where > pativratas > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that > a > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of > a > > pativrata. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 dear lalit you are the same lalit who, despite claiming a software engineer, used unparliamentary slang vulgar language in vedic astrology group whereafter most members vent their anger against you and demanded your immediate removal after which you were removed and then you entered again with another id and then again you were demanded to be removed and again got removed. in this group, there are two kinds of members. one is those who put their queries and ask for a reading or ask a doubt on the subject. the other is those who answer these queries on the subject or share their knowledge on the subject or give a reading of the charts. writing unsolicited critical mails which serve no good to anyone only expose your maturity levels. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > I think this arjun pandit is same pandit who sales 1 mukhi > rudrakschha for rs 5 lakhs... and simultaneously advices to Bhaskar > Ji like good people to do some charity. > > beware of such people... they have got 2 faces. > > regards, > Lalit. > > > , " astroiniket " > <astroiniket@> wrote: > > > > dear bhaskarji - as stri who are pativrats are rare ; same > patnivrata > > purush are also rare :-)); any one who have trust, faith, love and > > devotiness in relations (it includes earthy and devine both)will > get > > some extraordinary powers from nature - no doubt in that. and women > > are more powerfull in comp of man - i think so. we may have > diffrent > > opinion, but end result is one. > > > > rgds > > niket > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Shri Panditji, > > > > > > Pranam, > > > > > > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to > > > interfere in your postings, but this was again > > > a negative reflection on women. I think > > > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me > > > to say this. You have always guided me well > > > with your advises, including advise to give > > > free service and readings for requests > > > coming on the Forums, > > > due to which I have received lots of > > > accolades, gifts from God, and the > > > admiration and respect of the natives who > > > have been answered, and last but not the > > > least, contenetment and peace at heart, > > > due to this helping people. > > > > > > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate > > > these well meant advises. What text has > > > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita' > > > I have read worser artciles on women from > > > venerated men of the past. But what is the > > > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in > > > Your mail, I quite did not understand. > > > I suppose, most of us who have associated > > > with women at close quarters, know about these > > > qualities of the women, which > > > is generalised and not categorised. I did > > > not understand why we have to display these > > > factors and show them in negative light. > > > Instead if you had spoken of the good > > > qualities of the Panch Kanyas- > > > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and > > > Mandodari, it would have been much better > > > reading. > > > > > > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted > > > mails as this one and the last one by you, on > > > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder > > > whats up. > > > > > > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope > > > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware > > > of all the happennings and keeping update > > > because Net access has to be kept on, > > > due to my other diversified business interests, > > > which you are well aware of, so automatically > > > I get the mails from the Forums where I have > > > done Individual subscription, and then cannot > > > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read > > > the mails appearing on this and few other > > > Forums. > > > > > > kind regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's > nature " > > > from > > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available > > in > > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 > published > > > by > > > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > > > > > ============quote============ > > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what > > was > > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > > > listen > > > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > > > towards > > > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > > > liberation. in > > > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation > of > > > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly > > > while > > > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the > worlds > > > he > > > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes > her > > > to > > > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. > > > > > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, > women > > > with > > > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > > > limits > > > > of decency. > > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > > > women are at the root of all sins. > > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of > > > great > > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get > opportunities > > > for > > > > erring, they do not wait. > > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > > > sinful > > > > men casting off all shame and shyness. > > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who > > > approach > > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > > > decency. > > > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because > > no > > > man > > > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their > > > husbands. > > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious > > > women > > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and > looked > > > after > > > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles > and > > > > dwarfs. > > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women > with > > > > solicitations of lust. > > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to > indulge > > > in > > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad > by > > > their > > > > husbands. > > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are > > > afraid > > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or > > > imprisoned. > > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they > > are > > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible > even > > > to an > > > > intelligent man. > > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the > ocean > > > is > > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of > death > > > is > > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > > > satiated > > > > with the number of men they cohabit with. > > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing > a > > > man > > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body > > > perfumed > > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude > > > like > > > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they > > love, > > > who > > > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple > > > loves > > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > > > purused > > > > by them with other men. > > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put > together > > > viz. > > > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the > sharp > > > edge > > > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > > > created > > > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as > mentioned > > > by a > > > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > > > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > > > =============unquote========= > > > > > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma > > narrates > > > this > > > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating > > > this > > > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. > > > many > > > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where > > > pativratas > > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight > that > > > a > > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid > of > > > a > > > > pativrata. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Dear Arjun, ... And it exposes ur black business in the name of religion ... after the vedic astrology group u started befooling people in this group also by preeching others , so, it's required to tell ur reality to the innocent group members. You rudrakschha vendor, u can do ur business as a vendor only, by doing proper marketting no but if u do that how people will come under ur snare, why u people cover urself as a noble soul, as realized soul, as great learned soul .. guru .. pandit.. etc. You didn't learn the lessons in that group and still continued with ur tactis, so u r getting the lesson this way. ~Lalit. , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear lalit > > you are the same lalit who, despite claiming a software engineer, > used unparliamentary slang vulgar language in vedic astrology group > whereafter most members vent their anger against you and demanded > your immediate removal after which you were removed and then you > entered again with another id and then again you were demanded to be > removed and again got removed. > > in this group, there are two kinds of members. one is those who put > their queries and ask for a reading or ask a doubt on the subject. > the other is those who answer these queries on the subject or share > their knowledge on the subject or give a reading of the charts. > > writing unsolicited critical mails which serve no good to anyone only > expose your maturity levels. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > wrote: > > > > I think this arjun pandit is same pandit who sales 1 mukhi > > rudrakschha for rs 5 lakhs... and simultaneously advices to Bhaskar > > Ji like good people to do some charity. > > > > beware of such people... they have got 2 faces. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > <astroiniket@> wrote: > > > > > > dear bhaskarji - as stri who are pativrats are rare ; same > > patnivrata > > > purush are also rare :-)); any one who have trust, faith, love > and > > > devotiness in relations (it includes earthy and devine both) will > > get > > > some extraordinary powers from nature - no doubt in that. and > women > > > are more powerfull in comp of man - i think so. we may have > > diffrent > > > opinion, but end result is one. > > > > > > rgds > > > niket > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Panditji, > > > > > > > > Pranam, > > > > > > > > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to > > > > interfere in your postings, but this was again > > > > a negative reflection on women. I think > > > > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me > > > > to say this. You have always guided me well > > > > with your advises, including advise to give > > > > free service and readings for requests > > > > coming on the Forums, > > > > due to which I have received lots of > > > > accolades, gifts from God, and the > > > > admiration and respect of the natives who > > > > have been answered, and last but not the > > > > least, contenetment and peace at heart, > > > > due to this helping people. > > > > > > > > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate > > > > these well meant advises. What text has > > > > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita' > > > > I have read worser artciles on women from > > > > venerated men of the past. But what is the > > > > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in > > > > Your mail, I quite did not understand. > > > > I suppose, most of us who have associated > > > > with women at close quarters, know about these > > > > qualities of the women, which > > > > is generalised and not categorised. I did > > > > not understand why we have to display these > > > > factors and show them in negative light. > > > > Instead if you had spoken of the good > > > > qualities of the Panch Kanyas- > > > > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and > > > > Mandodari, it would have been much better > > > > reading. > > > > > > > > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted > > > > mails as this one and the last one by you, on > > > > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder > > > > whats up. > > > > > > > > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope > > > > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware > > > > of all the happennings and keeping update > > > > because Net access has to be kept on, > > > > due to my other diversified business interests, > > > > which you are well aware of, so automatically > > > > I get the mails from the Forums where I have > > > > done Individual subscription, and then cannot > > > > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read > > > > the mails appearing on this and few other > > > > Forums. > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's > > nature " > > > > from > > > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is > available > > > in > > > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 > > published > > > > by > > > > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > > > > > > > ============quote============ > > > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly > what > > > was > > > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > > > > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it > is, > > > > listen > > > > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > > > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. > attachment > > > > towards > > > > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > > > > liberation. in > > > > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the > conversation > > of > > > > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). > formerly > > > > while > > > > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the > > worlds > > > > he > > > > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes > > her > > > > to > > > > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. > > > > > > > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > > > > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, > > women > > > > with > > > > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within > the > > > > limits > > > > > of decency. > > > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > > > > women are at the root of all sins. > > > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, > of > > > > great > > > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get > > opportunities > > > > for > > > > > erring, they do not wait. > > > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort > to > > > > sinful > > > > > men casting off all shame and shyness. > > > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who > > > > approach > > > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > > > > decency. > > > > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is > because > > > no > > > > man > > > > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their > > > > husbands. > > > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of > lascivious > > > > women > > > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments > and > > > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and > > looked > > > > after > > > > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles > > and > > > > > dwarfs. > > > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women > > with > > > > > solicitations of lust. > > > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to > > indulge > > > > in > > > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad > > by > > > > their > > > > > husbands. > > > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they > are > > > > afraid > > > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or > > > > imprisoned. > > > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please > they > > > are > > > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible > > even > > > > to an > > > > > intelligent man. > > > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the > > ocean > > > > is > > > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of > > death > > > > is > > > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are > not > > > > satiated > > > > > with the number of men they cohabit with. > > > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on > seeing > > a > > > > man > > > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body > > > > perfumed > > > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to > exude > > > > like > > > > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they > > > love, > > > > who > > > > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with > simple > > > > loves > > > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit > love > > > > purused > > > > > by them with other men. > > > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put > > together > > > > viz. > > > > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the > > sharp > > > > edge > > > > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women > were > > > > created > > > > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > > > > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as > > mentioned > > > > by a > > > > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause > of > > > > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > > > > =============unquote========= > > > > > > > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma > > > narrates > > > > this > > > > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada > narrating > > > > this > > > > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other > puranas. > > > > many > > > > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who > are > > > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > > > > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where > > > > pativratas > > > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight > > that > > > > a > > > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are > afraid > > of > > > > a > > > > > pativrata. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Moderator/Owner, I am sorry but this kind of personal name-calling and slander should not be tolerated on this board! In the past, people have been banned for much lesser offensive language (and then reinstituted). Two of those banned individuals, truth be told, have over time proved their worth and keep much of the message traffic here and free readings etc, even though they go at each other from time to time! And yet, I see that such direct personal insults are allowed to be posted on this forum! If moderators and owners are too busy or find moderation too overwhelming, they should post that clearly on the home page, " Dear Member, you are entering UNPROTECTED territory! You are on your own since the Owners/Moderators are away on business or vacation, as the case may be! " Apalling! Regards, RR , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > I think this arjun pandit is same pandit who sales 1 mukhi > rudrakschha for rs 5 lakhs... and simultaneously advices to Bhaskar > Ji like good people to do some charity. > > beware of such people... they have got 2 faces. > > regards, > Lalit. > > > , " astroiniket " > <astroiniket@> wrote: > > > > dear bhaskarji - as stri who are pativrats are rare ; same > patnivrata > > purush are also rare :-)); any one who have trust, faith, love and > > devotiness in relations (it includes earthy and devine both)will > get > > some extraordinary powers from nature - no doubt in that. and women > > are more powerfull in comp of man - i think so. we may have > diffrent > > opinion, but end result is one. > > > > rgds > > niket > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Shri Panditji, > > > > > > Pranam, > > > > > > Your post was a good one. I do not mean to > > > interfere in your postings, but this was again > > > a negative reflection on women. I think > > > as a good wellwisher, you would allow me > > > to say this. You have always guided me well > > > with your advises, including advise to give > > > free service and readings for requests > > > coming on the Forums, > > > due to which I have received lots of > > > accolades, gifts from God, and the > > > admiration and respect of the natives who > > > have been answered, and last but not the > > > least, contenetment and peace at heart, > > > due to this helping people. > > > > > > In the same manner it is my duty to reciprocate > > > these well meant advises. What text has > > > been quoted by you from the 'Uma Samhita' > > > I have read worser artciles on women from > > > venerated men of the past. But what is the > > > actual purport of displaying this negativity, in > > > Your mail, I quite did not understand. > > > I suppose, most of us who have associated > > > with women at close quarters, know about these > > > qualities of the women, which > > > is generalised and not categorised. I did > > > not understand why we have to display these > > > factors and show them in negative light. > > > Instead if you had spoken of the good > > > qualities of the Panch Kanyas- > > > Ahalya, Draupadi, Tara, Kunti, and > > > Mandodari, it would have been much better > > > reading. > > > > > > I respect you a lot, and such negative highlighted > > > mails as this one and the last one by you, on > > > Janma of Shri Rama, make me wonder > > > whats up. > > > > > > I am keeping myself away from free Horoscope > > > readings, uptil March , but otherwise aware > > > of all the happennings and keeping update > > > because Net access has to be kept on, > > > due to my other diversified business interests, > > > which you are well aware of, so automatically > > > I get the mails from the Forums where I have > > > done Individual subscription, and then cannot > > > force myself, not to read them. Hence I read > > > the mails appearing on this and few other > > > Forums. > > > > > > kind regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's > nature " > > > from > > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available > > in > > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 > published > > > by > > > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > > > > > ============quote============ > > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what > > was > > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > > > listen > > > > to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > > > towards > > > > them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > > > liberation. in > > > > this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation > of > > > > narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly > > > while > > > > the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the > worlds > > > he > > > > saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes > her > > > to > > > > narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. > > > > > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, > women > > > with > > > > husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > > > limits > > > > of decency. > > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > > > women are at the root of all sins. > > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of > > > great > > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get > opportunities > > > for > > > > erring, they do not wait. > > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > > > sinful > > > > men casting off all shame and shyness. > > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who > > > approach > > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > > > decency. > > > > if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because > > no > > > man > > > > makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their > > > husbands. > > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious > > > women > > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and > looked > > > after > > > > with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles > and > > > > dwarfs. > > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women > with > > > > solicitations of lust. > > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to > indulge > > > in > > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad > by > > > their > > > > husbands. > > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are > > > afraid > > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or > > > imprisoned. > > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they > > are > > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible > even > > > to an > > > > intelligent man. > > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the > ocean > > > is > > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of > death > > > is > > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > > > satiated > > > > with the number of men they cohabit with. > > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing > a > > > man > > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body > > > perfumed > > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude > > > like > > > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they > > love, > > > who > > > > may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple > > > loves > > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > > > purused > > > > by them with other men. > > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put > together > > > viz. > > > > god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the > sharp > > > edge > > > > of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > > > created > > > > by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as > mentioned > > > by a > > > > woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > > > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > > > =============unquote========= > > > > > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma > > narrates > > > this > > > > for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating > > > this > > > > story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. > > > many > > > > sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where > > > pativratas > > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight > that > > > a > > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid > of > > > a > > > > pativrata. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Hare Krishna! A very similar description of women's nature is given in the beginning of " Narada-pancaratra " (as in many other scriptures). But in " Narada-pancaratra " , afterwards the demigodesses like Sri Sarasvati specify that this description fits the pumscalis, wanton women, whereas there is also a different class of women, who are chaste dharma-patnis and they are supremely auspicious. Your servant Adi-purusha das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 A similar description of women is in Arabian Nights also. In fact this is the base of Arabian nights stories. A genie hides the girl and keeps her under lock and key but her wantonness & lust could never be controlled...... Thanx n' rgds Maligere Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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