Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Narsingh sorry for the wrong link on ICAS here is the right one http://www.icas.org.in/ pRASHANT Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Sunday, April 6, 2008 5:19:11 AM Re: Re: Unpaid Reading requests 5/4 Dear Narsingh, the idea is good on a online payment to astrologers but this is not the scope of the online forums, most owners will pounce on u for it saying for this pl use ur own portals or websites these forums are knowledge sharing platforms primarily and debate/discussions centric, personal questions by some members allows both the posters and astrologers to share the light in the subject, sound is incidental here by sound I mean any months a few that were addressed to me either. those who did wait for some time [as a condition I did may be 2 readings in this period] remuneration which is a v poor conversion say : we can answer free we get one paid and I have had not time to answer in the last 18 motns [except 2 who did agree to give me time toanswer, no point getting paid and not delivering-so never took them] there r a few sites that cover some basic tutorials for astrology http://www.goravani .com/ http://astrovisiono nline.com/ that have some good lessons but for the serious one face to face is always best and ICAS has a 2 yr course that costs 7.5k with 4 semesters and each semester teaches u a lot more to make u better astrologer they teach all the pouplar schools like parasari, jaimini, kp, western from calculations to predictive concepts in a structured way and also conduct tests at the end of every semester for details http://icas. org/ rest I can't comment time constraints. if I do a shody work will affect the peace of the group, Best wishes Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ hathway.com> Sunday, April 6, 2008 1:46:58 AM Re: Unpaid Reading requests 5/4 Dear Narsingh ji, I appreciate your concerns for the astrologers. But there are several matters to comprehend, for which there could be no solution available of any kind, given the present scenario. These include- 1) there is no single course available online which can make one a astrologer, who would be actually able to predict. 2) In fact there is no course available OfLine too, to make one an Astrologer, without the Student himself not wishing and putting the efforts to do so.becoming an able astrologer would require Grace of God, primarily, then exact;ly commensurate with the efforts and labours put in, with regular hours of study, and a proper way of living. ( The definitions of Study and Way of Living are quite elaborate) 3) Most of the books of astrology which are the classics, are already available in form of e books, on most of the Forums, for free, and one just has to download and study them at leisure, if one is ineterested. But like I said, " Pothi padh padh, pandit bana na koi " . 4) Astrologers like myself, would never acept dontaions, even if they go hungry. The other astrologers, including myself who may accept remunerations for the readings done, - there is no parameter to decide first of all who would the astrologers be, to be eligible to receive these remunerations. because there are more than 30 astrologers here, and the problem is that most of the natives nowadays who come for enquiring about their charts, they become self-proposed astrologers after 3 months and start reading for all enquiries. probably that they think that there is lot of money here, lying on the trees , just waiting to be pulled down like fruits. There fore who is a astrologer, and who is a bogus, this has to be reckoned. 5) What type of remuinerations, I mean the quality, translated into number of rupees per reading, would have to be decided. 6) What does a reading mean- has to be defined. 7) WHO WILL PAY THE DONATIONS, and for how much time, and whayt would be the criteria for distribution, and to how many, has to be decided. 8) Another problem is that nowadays most of the astrologers dont have ethics due to jealousy, feeling of competetion and other such .lowly behaviours. I recently noticed in another forum one person Lalit Mishra who has been troubling me since last 10 days, with many false ids, another Astrologer of this Forum, went and supported the Astrologer who gave a character certificate to this Lalit Mishra. This way he could get back at me, though he knows the character of the person in question very well, yet the astrologer from this forum, got some sadistic pleasure by supporting this high profile astrologer , and join hands with this bad character and garner his support to throw me out from here, and settle old imaginary scores with me, i feel ashamed when assumingly good astrologers behave in this manner. Unless Unity is there among astrologers, nothing is going to work out. I have spent some time in writing this, so that you dont persue this matter, as it is breaking ones head against a stone wall, and nothing else. But as I said earlier, I do appreciate your good concern for us. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " narsinghsahu " <narsinghsahu@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > Will it be possible to institute some mechanism in this forum for > online donations through PayPal etc. which can be used for making > available online courses, books, and also some remunerations for the > professional astrologers, > > Just thinking aloud... > > regards, > > Narsingh > > , > " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > Dear Shri Sunilji, > > > > I am a professional Astrologer for a few reasons. > > > > 1) My Guruji from Bikaner,Rajasthan ordered me to > > be so, 3 Years back. > > > > 2) For Additional Income supplementing my regular > > income, which was less than what should have been. > > (At that point of time). > > > > 3) So that people value my Time, and Suggestions, > > otherwise they take the same for granted. > > > > 4) My time is my family's time and Valuable. > > I cant let any Hour go, of the day, > > without earning few / few hundred/few thousand > > Rupees. I never waste even 10 minutes, and this > > is so for the last 25 Years, I have never slept > > in the day time, and not even on a Sunday. So > > people must value my time, by paying for the same. > > Nobody should take the Divine science of Astrology > > for granted, and the astrologer for granted. > > > > " Jaake raakhe saaiyon, maar na sake koi " . > > > > Lalit Mishra had cursed me a week back, that > > I will loose my predictive capabilities immediately. > > But I have given succesful predictions, till today, > > including " Death' to a close family member, which > > took place day before yesterday, on thursday, > > as predicted. > > > > Such idiots without ant spiritual powers, > > and no character, but given character > > certificates by people sitting on Lofty positions, > > do not deserve much mention. neither are their > > curses going to work, and neither are their > > blessings. > > > > One must continue giving free predictions as much > > as one can, but with integrity, and it must be clear > > that the time spent is valuable, and not meant for > > flimsy enquiries. > > > > Free samples or whatever, free sample for selling > > or whatever, free samples for seeking bigger business > > or whatever,FREE is FREE, and > > TIME IS SPENT . > > We are not big companies, and just small ordinary > > astrologers (Individuals) . > > > > Let them ask for - > > == free teaching for their students > > from the school authorities > > == free consultations from the CA. > > == free medical services from their family Doctor. > > == free milk samples from their milk Man. > > == free electricity from the Electric company. > > == free telephones ervices from the Dept. > > == free calling from the Cell phone Companies. > > == free services from the servant coming at Home. > > == free services for their childrens tuition Teachers. > > == free services from their childrens coaching classes. > > == free services from their Landline Phone company. > > == free services from Computer Cable operator. > > > > etc. etc. > > the List can go quite Long. Will they ask ? > > And even if they, will they receive ? > > > > So are we Astrologers, bloody sitting on the > > roads with a bowl in our hands ? > > > > No, we must rise to this respectable > > professions demands. > > We must have our self respect. > > We must respect the Astrologers seat. > > We must respct our family's time. > > We must respect our own time. > > We must respect our profession. > > we must respect this Divine science. > > We must respect the Ancinet Rishi Munis who > > are the original teachers of this science. > > > > All of us must rise, and demand respect, > > and gain respect. Whatever is given free must > > be taken with gratitude, and > > whatever is taken extra, > > must be compensated for the time spent. > > > > Its as clear as Crystal Glass and water. > > > > By the way I am donating 30% of my total Income > > whether astrology or whatever. And I am also > > paying income tax on my astrological income > > (Received from a annual contract with a International > > Company giving Astrologicals services, and not > > from readings done on these Forums, > > where the ratio of income is 1:200 readings given). > > > > kind reagrds, > > BHASKAR. > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > <astro_tellerkerala @> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna > > > > > > respected bhaskar ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > Its true we must draw a line some where .Those ppl r still > > > bitching and Moaning in their grp and cursing Mr bhaskar will > > loose his > > > predictiv skill after 12 yrs ,sunil nair will learn lessons .What > > those > > > dasa MahaVidya sadhaks done to the world and us>i dont think if > > asking > > > money is a crime for the services rendered >If they dont want > they > > hav > > > the right to discontinue . > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Big ashrams and swamiji s and religious institutions ask > > money as > > > donations and they amass also big money .Why not thse who go to > > > tirupathy mandir says if bhagavan has power let him generate > money > > and > > > continue his expenses .I dont want this spiritual cheats what > they > > > wanted to tell .They hav same double std every where .why they > want > > > money frm the company they r working if they hav done dasa > > Mahavidhya > > > and if they think astrology is spiritual profession and should not > > > charge money ,Why they want money frm medicine or service they are > > > rendering .Any profession is also good and has same dignity . > > > > > > > > > > > > This remebrs my electrician b4 ,He will come running for any > > problem he > > > is facing or any of his family memebrs facing and that time u > hav > > to > > > see him ,The way he behaves .But after 2 days if i call him for > any > > > services he will just charge me rs 50 even for visiting me and > > > exorbitant charges for what ever services he does and uses > > duplicate > > > material and charges the amnt of original .I think this will the > > case > > > with doctors or engineers who ever u may serve free .They will > > surely > > > will charge u . > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how indians support their cultural heritage ,they want > > every > > > thing free ,same time they dont even mind to cheat u at the drop > > of the > > > hat .And uses full lung power abt god ,spirtuality and > > puranas ,After > > > this episodes i got lot of messges in chat ,sunil ji u should not > > worry > > > abt what he or she said ,Continue ur mission .Means they also > > wanted > > > free .And what they do is blessing us to poverty .Some one whom i > > done > > > one full day discussion and prediction on all of his family > charts > > ( he > > > claims editor of a natioanl daily ) is writing in other grps that > > > astrologers should walk a stright line and they should foregt abt > > any > > > comforts .U know any of this parents if they find their kids r > > studying > > > astrology ,they will behav like they hav seen ghosts and will > > break the > > > both the legs of their kids for being so foolish .As they know > frm > > their > > > mind that this is a thankless profession and its what they r > doing > > also > > > .But only in case of emergency they want our service and will > > lament why > > > cant the astrologers has the calibre of old pundits who will say > > this > > > and that .As if they r taking care of us for rest of the life > .All > > of > > > them sitting 24 hrs in computer ( means has that facility ) and > > keep on > > > running after one astrologer or other astrologer .And this is the > > sample > > > questions ----I hav 4 hotels in US and can i open another one .Or > > what > > > will happen to my business .Or this is my partner can i join with > > him > > > .Wat my next dasa shows should i transfer all my money frm my > > account to > > > kids Why they feel if astrology is spiritual one ,then it should > > be used > > > for material pursuits . > > > > > > > > > > > > The dasa maha vidhya man is after knowing which girl chatted me > > today is > > > original and realy i can follow .If astro is spiritual then why > > they > > > want us to answer all this other than questions on sadhana or > > spiritual > > > devlpment . > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope every thing wont continue the same way .But all those > who > > r > > > claiming astrologers should hav some self respect too. > > > > > > > > > > > > thank u sir . > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <rajiventerprises@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare RamaKrishna. > > > > > > > > Shri Sunilji, > > > > > > > > Yes I had to draw a Line somewhere. > > > > You are aware that few of them have > > > > spoiled my peace since last ten days > > > > or so,those who have been helped > > > > by me in the past, they have been > > > > most acrimonic in their attacks, in > > > > face of denial to answer their queries > > > > Life long.I have decided to stop this, > > > > to the limit I can. At least to whose > > > > whom I reply. Rest of the astrologers > > > > are of course free to continue any > > > > which way they deem fit. But I have no > > > > interest in speaking further to any > > > > nameless or faceless id. and spoil my > > > > peace of mind. > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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