Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Fwd: Re: Astrologers cry foul over renovation of world famous Jantar Mantar Phony intellectuals, bogus academicians, mindless media agents, pseudo secularists, mentally deranged pen pushers and bizarre liberals are hired by merciless Missionaries to work as paid subversive agents. They act for mercenary Missionaries for mental misdirection, psychological warfare and to spread false stories. Your meaningless psycho babble clearly indicates that you are an agent provocateur working for few Missionary breadcrumbs Christians dismiss Hindu spiritual and cultural traditions. The Church clearly intent on liberating Hindus from their cultural roots and enslave them with rigid, closed, divisive and linear Christian dogma. Missionaries with the closed, rigid and non-compromising dogma are obsessed with the idea of converting Hindus who believe in pluralism, tolerance and the all inclusive Vedic philosophy. Comprehensive and spiritual Vedic thought has always posed a serious challenge and dilemma for the Christian Church. For centuries, unable to challenge the broader and systemic Hindu philosophy, Christian missionaries have resorted to deceptive mind manipulation strategies to trap and convert Hindus. , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: > > hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > jyotirved@ wrote: > > Dear Dr. Sharan, > Thanks for the reply. > > <Actually, the Jantar Mantar instrument will settle your dispute with > commercial jyotishis> > > I have uploaded a file " sept_22_equinox_animation.gif > animation of smrat yantra shadow on equinox day " . It is the courtesy > of " Astronomy_Activities_2009 " forum. > > That gif is the " picture of the latest equinox of September 22 " as > per Samrat Yantra! It should, thus not leave anybody in doubt that > Jantar Mantar is talking about a seasonal year and not about some so > called nirayana year, which is euphemistcially known as precessional > year by " Vedic astrologers " ! > > <This is because Raja Sawai Jay Singh was for actual horoscopes, and > had his education at Benaras where the awareness of precession was > there due to the Vikrami Samvat.> > > Vikrami Samvat is an imginary Smavat/era and had nothing to do with > any Vikramidtya. It did not have any existence till about eighth > century AD! > > You are confusing Benarasi Jyotish with actual astronomy! Benaras > jyotishis go even today by a panchanga based on the Surya Sidhanta by > Maya the mlechha and it is published every year by none other than > one of the most famous universities in the world viz. Benaras Hindu > University, even in twenty-first century, under the style " Vishva > Hindu Panchanga " ! > > They are enamoured of the SS because it was " revealed by Surya > Bhagwan to Maya " as per the claims of Maya himself! After all, how > could Maya tell a lie! As such, even if the SS is the most monstrous > astronomical work which appears to have been compiled by some real > thug to destory the cultural fabric of the Vedic culture, Benaras > jyotishis are still under hypnotic stupor/grip of their roll-model > viz. Varahamihira, since he had said that the SS was the most > accurate work (Spashta-taro Savitrah!)! > > As such, for Benaras jyotishis there are no other rashis except the > ones advocated by the Surya Sidhanta! Lahiri rashis are actually > Surya Sidhanta rashis in disguise, which will be clear if you peruse > the Rashtriya Panchanga mean elements vis-a-vis the Surya Sidhanta > mean elements for any year! > > Nirrayan rashis are niradhar---baseless, meaningless and uselss-- > however hard we may try to justify them on the shoulders of Vikrami > era or precesional corections! For that matter, even the so called > sayana rashis are astronomically meaningless, but they just have a > sort of fixed alignment towards seasons! However, even they are not > Vedic since there are no rashis in the Vedas, because as already > clarified hundreds of times, Mesha etc. rashis are a direct import > from Babylonia via Greeks. > With regards, > A K Kaul > > > > > > hinducivilization , " amsharanx " <amsharanx@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Kauljee: > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > I have myself seen Rashis or lines engraved in the Delhi Jantar > > Mantar. Once they are engraved, there will be precessional effect, > > and hence deviation from the seasonal variation. > > > > Actually, the Jantar Mantar instrument will settle your dispute > with > > commercial jyotishis, in my view. This is because Raja Sawai Jay > > Singh was for actual horoscopes, and had his education at Benaras > > where the awareness of precession was there due to the Vikrami > Samvat. > > > > The Saka samvat people never had this awareness about the actual or > > historical rashis used in the European Calendar. > > > > The concept of Lahiri Ayanamsha etc are Firangi ( Church Based ) > > concept not actual Hindu Concept in my view because their reference > > point goes back to 260 AD plus or minus 25 years which should have > > actually gone to 57 BC. > > > > Therefore, pl do visit the Jantar Mantar in Delhi where you live. > > Sawai Jay Singh followed the Hindu Jyotish Vidya which is not > Lahiri > > concept - a gift from Angrezi Hukumat ( they refer to European > Patri > > about Planetary Positions with time ). > > > > Thanks. > > > > Anand M. Sharan > > > > > > hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dr. Sharan, > > > Namaskar! > > > <That rashi division had to be based on his time. > > > Obviously, it would not be true to-day because of the precession.> > > > > > > There are actually no rashis---twelve equal divisions of the > zodiac- > > -- > > > - whether astronomically or in the Vedas. Babylonian > > constellations > > > became astrological signs for Greece and other countries, > wherefrom > > > they were imported into India, under the guise of Mesha, Vrisha > > etc. > > > Rashis, through the Surya Sidahnta of Maya the mleccha. > > > > > > They are actually unequal constellations " recycled " as equal > > rashis > > > by astrologers/jyotishis. Even that " Basic rashichakra " of > twelve > > > equal divisions with constellational namesake are aligned to four > > > seasons of the Western calendar! Winter solstice took place on > the > > > shortest day of the year even ten thousand years back and will > > > continue to do so ten thousand years hence! It was that very > > Winter > > > solstice that was and is known as Capricorn ingress by Greek and > > > Western astrologers. Same is the case with all the other eleven > > > astrological signs---they are all " aligned " to seasons, in spite > of > > > being twelve imaginary divisions. > > > > > > Since they are aligned to seasons, as such even those Makar, > Kumbha > > > etc. rashis are immune to precession---whether it was in the time > > of > > > the Rigveda when it had said " veda maaso dhrita vratah veda ya > > > upajayate... " or the Vedanga Jyotisha which had said that days > go > > on > > > increasing from the day of Uttarayana or Sawai Jai Singh, who had > > > erected Jantar Mantar. > > > > > > With regards, > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization , " amsharanx " > <amsharanx@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sawai Jay Singh has an instrument where one could see Rashi > from > > the > > > > shadow at sun rise. That rashi division had to be based on his > > time. > > > > Obviously, it would not be true to-day because of the > precession. > > > > > > > > One can not build permanent brick structures without > variability > > on > > > > this earth without subject to precession. > > > > > > > > I am not saying that what he built for his time was wrong. His > > > Samrat > > > > Yantra ( clock )would be o.k. even to-day but not Rashi Yantra. > > > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha etc are relative to a fictitious reference > > point - > > > > so, how one would predict any thing using it ? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Anand M. Sharan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Sharan, > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > > > > > <Actually, those Jantar Mantars do not have Precession > > > Correction and > > > > > are frozen in the times of Sawai Jay Singh - as I could see. > > > > > Therefore, the seasonal error will be there even in those.> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic calendar and thus the indigenous Hindu calendar was > > aligned > > > to > > > > > seasons. as is clear from all the Vedas, the Vedanga > Jyotisha, > > > > > Puranas, Itihasas and even the Surya Sidhanta by Maya the > > > mlechha! > > > > > IMHO, except for Islmaic calendar, all the other calendars of > > all > > > the > > > > > countries/religions the world over are also aligned to > seasons! > > > > > > > > > > And seasons are " immune " to precession. > > > > > > > > > > This Ayanamsha and thereby nirayana and sayana confusion > > emanated > > > > > from the Surya Sidhanta, which confusion was worst confounded > > by > > > > > Varahamihira who did not known even ABC of astronomy, least > of > > > all > > > > > anything about precession and Ayanamsha etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > We are reaping the fruits of having succumbed to his > > predictive > > > > > gimmicks, which " science " is euphemistically known as " Vedic > > > > > astrology " these days, with the result that we are > celebrating > > > > > Uttarayana on January 15, Dakshniayana on July 15 and thereby > > > Vasanti > > > > > navratras in almost the fag end of Vasatna Ritu and Sharadiya > > > > > Navratras in almost the fag end of Sharat Ritu! Similarly, > > > Dipavali > > > > > is being celebrated on October 28 instead of September 28 > this > > > year--- > > > > > all thanks to " Ayanamsha " on the shoulders of precession! > > > > > > > > > > Thus Hindu calendar has become a big joke! It has become > much > > > worse > > > > > than Islamic calendar since at least they have a fixed > > criterion > > > of > > > > > synodic months. But Hindu calendar is neither related to > > seasons > > > nor > > > > > to some Star nor to any Vedic lore! All it is related to > > > > > is " almighty " Lahiri and Lahiriwalas' whims and fancies. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to these Lahiris and Lahiriwalas, with the passage of > > > time, > > > > > after a few more centuries, we will be clebrating Uttarayana > on > > > the > > > > > day of Vernal Equinox, Dakshinayana on the day of Autumn > > Equinox, > > > > > thereby Vasanti Navatras in Grishma Ritu and Sharadiya > > Navratras > > > in > > > > > Shishira Ritu and so on. > > > > > > > > > > Thus the famous Jantar Mantar at Jaipur or Delhi etc. must > > > > > mercifully be spared from the vagaries of Ayanamsha tyranny, > > in > > > the > > > > > name of precession corrections. > > > > > With regards, > > > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization , " amsharanx " > > > <amsharanx@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur's world famous Jantar Mantar, which is a > > collection > > > of > > > > > > > > architectural astronomical instruments and literally > > means > > > > > > > calculation > > > > > > > > instrument, is attracting wide public attention here > > > following > > > > > the > > > > > > > > ongoing renovation at the ancient astronomical > > observatory. > > > The > > > > > > > > renovation work has not gone down well with traditional > > > Indian > > > > > > > > astrologers. Absence of knowledgeable and experienced > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > supervisory or advisory committee is being cited as one > > of > > > the > > > > > > > reasons, > > > > > > > > which has led to the vintage historical gadgets and > other > > > aids > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > disturbed in the renovation process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/18066 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, those Jantar Mantars do not have Precession > > > Correction > > > > > and > > > > > > are frozen in the times of Sawai Jay Singh - as I could see. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, the seasonal error will be there even in those. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anand M. Sharan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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