Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Dear Members, I feel the group has been a bit too harsh on Ms Bhagvatjee. What is wrong if she has been seeking advice from more than one astrologer. There is no harm in getting more than one opinion. Those who think that it is a waste of their time, they should ignore her request. Any astrologer who expects a paid reading should make it clear in the first response itself that he is willing to give a reading provided he gets paid for it. Initially the astrologer gives a free reading and then comes to the group to complaint that he did not get paid a single paisa. At least I take this opportunity to apologise to the lady for all the hurt done to her. Sincerely, L M astro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Dear LM, Dont sit and pass judgements. We know what drama you do everywhere. You are the person who has spoilt all the forums on Internet. Why dont you help Bhagvatjee and spare us from your nonsense ? You are targetting me, which the Moderator knows very well. I have given free initially and then come to complain that I did not get a single paisa ? No you need brains to figure out what I meant ? You got it all wrong and miscnstruing and misinterpreting and twisting the facts, which has been your only agenda in Life, till now. Pl give the members your phone no and contact address, so we all will come to know your great stature. Bhaskar. , " lm_astro " <lm_astro wrote: > > Dear Members, > > I feel the group has been a bit too harsh on Ms Bhagvatjee. What is > wrong if she has been seeking advice from more than one astrologer. > There is no harm in getting more than one opinion. > Those who think that it is a waste of their time, they should ignore > her request. > Any astrologer who expects a paid reading should make it clear in the > first response itself that he is willing to give a reading provided he > gets paid for it. > Initially the astrologer gives a free reading and then comes to the > group to complaint that he did not get paid a single paisa. > > At least I take this opportunity to apologise to the lady for all the > hurt done to her. > > Sincerely, > > L M astro > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 dear man or woman ( as ur id is funny ) pls understand the diffrnce ,even sant ssanyasi will take AK-47/56 in case of this kind of ppl .do u think thakur ramakrishna or swami vivekanda was sitting for one lady to help her ??is it is their mission .. asking money or paying money is not a crime .it is token of gratitude and respect too .In the name of getting second opinion begging in all grp is known as roaming around with plate in hand to get wat ever freely available .even old kings dont hav this facility ,even in puranas they use to go rishi vatikas in forest with tons of gifts and was prostating b4 them ,but to understand it such ppl shud hav good pedigree . If u r of opinion or u wanted to know how gr8 person lived in their life -u read vivekanada literature ,they were not getting money by shower frm heaven ,where as individual s r paying ,to understand all this first of all ur blood need real bharathiya culture .other mixed lineges i dont know . Now u know why this era we dont hav such ppl ,because we kill them . " yatha mana stithi thatha paristithi " , " lm_astro " <lm_astro wrote: > > Dear Members, > > I feel the group has been a bit too harsh on Ms Bhagvatjee. What is > wrong if she has been seeking advice from more than one astrologer. > There is no harm in getting more than one opinion. > Those who think that it is a waste of their time, they should ignore > her request. > Any astrologer who expects a paid reading should make it clear in the > first response itself that he is willing to give a reading provided he > gets paid for it. > Initially the astrologer gives a free reading and then comes to the > group to complaint that he did not get paid a single paisa. > > At least I take this opportunity to apologise to the lady for all the > hurt done to her. > > Sincerely, > > L M astro > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 KM astro, I wish u had a better name to sign up! I hope u saw my post I did not SINGLE her but added her into a Elite list of members who do abuse the free space-advices we give. this is no harm in seeking clarification on one or tow points. but as someone has already given a list of no of groups and messages by this person it must be seen in that light I have named more than 3 ppl like this I know many more, have to look out for the archives and let u know have uy seen Seema from US she also posts regularly from last 4.5 yrs, but no one complains on her why! at least her questions are fresh each time and also WE GET A FEED BACK on what was predicted for her this is the best fee any astrologer can get. in the indivuduals named by me u will not see them acknowledging anythng at all and it is hight time if ppl like a particular astrologers views they seek a paid service from them even if they dont have declared professional fee. some did call this forums space as a sample area and for actual readings the professioanls suck u into them some even have caleld themas remedies salesmen than astrologers none of them r really true, there r some black shep in every sphere and it is possible some in the forums too but to see astrologers work not being recognised witha feedback, min thanks when something happens positively leave alone fees it does hurt people who have spent time on such cases. and u msut see I have still answered such cases once in a while not denied them , will look at them only when no other cases r around the least these free advice seekrs can do is pay some charity of their chice and let us know of it all professional services need some karma of payment also to be done in their respective capacities Best wishes prashant I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. lm_astro <lm_astro Wednesday, October 8, 2008 1:02:48 PM Tirade against one individual Dear Members, I feel the group has been a bit too harsh on Ms Bhagvatjee. What is wrong if she has been seeking advice from more than one astrologer. There is no harm in getting more than one opinion. Those who think that it is a waste of their time, they should ignore her request. Any astrologer who expects a paid reading should make it clear in the first response itself that he is willing to give a reading provided he gets paid for it. Initially the astrologer gives a free reading and then comes to the group to complaint that he did not get paid a single paisa. At least I take this opportunity to apologise to the lady for all the hurt done to her. Sincerely, L M astro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Dear Members, Bhaskar, Well I am not sure who LM ASTRO is if anyone knows let me know- IT IS WRONG TO ASSUME/BLAME ME this message was passed unmoderated. will be so till I find this troublesome. THIS MEMBER JOINED ON APR 9 08 one must clearly understand what I have said from the day i took over as Moderator on Apr 28 08 that all NEW MEMBERS R MODERATED and one or two at that time trouble some ones ALL OLD MEMBERS WERE ALLOWED FREE-UNMODERATED passages if u r recall when a XXX mail came from taruns ID I was blamed for passing it then too i said same all OLD members had free passage after this incident I have set moderation to all the friends circle of Bhaskar then toa void this embaressement even freedom was misunderstood, this xxx come from anyones ID unintentionally as they r viruses that spread without our control Sunil Nair was allowed unmoderated passage and all my request to stick to subject, ignore members who he had reservations never bore fruit, worse openly was declared he enjoyed taunting members after enough rope was given only I hads et non astro content restricted ALL ASTRO CONTENT FROM HIM I WILL PASS no problem with it today as said the message concerns astrologers in generala nd their free readings need to be respected, acknowledged, fees come later. a thank u a feedback that some event happened around the same time or earlier or later or did not happen or tooka opposite turn kind are helpful in strengthening the subject as many new aspirants are learing this humance science. so pl respect the subject and its professionals, if they live they subject lives it is a free society that has to support the professionals else they can also choose other professions and no one who can guide u with less side effects, self interest will also be lost this subject can't be automated either we need a human intercace WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND Best wishes I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Wednesday, October 8, 2008 1:12:22 PM Re: Tirade against one individual Dear LM, Dont sit and pass judgements. We know what drama you do everywhere. You are the person who has spoilt all the forums on Internet. Why dont you help Bhagvatjee and spare us from your nonsense ? You are targetting me, which the Moderator knows very well. I have given free initially and then come to complain that I did not get a single paisa ? No you need brains to figure out what I meant ? You got it all wrong and miscnstruing and misinterpreting and twisting the facts, which has been your only agenda in Life, till now. Pl give the members your phone no and contact address, so we all will come to know your great stature. Bhaskar. , " lm_astro " <lm_astro@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Members, > > I feel the group has been a bit too harsh on Ms Bhagvatjee. What is > wrong if she has been seeking advice from more than one astrologer. > There is no harm in getting more than one opinion. > Those who think that it is a waste of their time, they should ignore > her request. > Any astrologer who expects a paid reading should make it clear in the > first response itself that he is willing to give a reading provided he > gets paid for it. > Initially the astrologer gives a free reading and then comes to the > group to complaint that he did not get paid a single paisa. > > At least I take this opportunity to apologise to the lady for all the > hurt done to her. > > Sincerely, > > L M astro > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Dear Moderator, I am not against paid readings. It is the astrologer who has to make the terms of his service clear right at the beginning. It is he who has to say that I will answer one query free and the rest will be charged. If the seeker needs further advice he knows that he has to pay for it. But once the astrologer had been offering free advice to the subsequent queries put by the same seeker, he does not have a moral right to claim money for all that advice which he had given free at his own will. I would certainly condemn a person who seeks a paid advice and then doesn’t pay or shirks paying. But I will not condemn a person who seeks an advice in an open forum where astrologers volunteer to render free advice without any such pre-condition that the seeker will have to pay. Sincerely, L M astro , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear Members, Bhaskar, > > Well I am not sure who LM ASTRO is if anyone knows let me know- IT IS WRONG TO ASSUME/BLAME ME > > this message was passed unmoderated. will be so till I find this troublesome. > > THIS MEMBER JOINED ON APR 9 08 > > one must clearly understand what I have said from the day i took over as Moderator on Apr 28 08 that all NEW MEMBERS R MODERATED and one or two at that time trouble some ones > > ALL OLD MEMBERS WERE ALLOWED FREE-UNMODERATED passages if u r recall when a XXX mail came from taruns ID I was blamed for passing it > > then too i said same all OLD members had free passage after this incident I have set moderation to all the friends circle of Bhaskar then toa void this embaressement even freedom was misunderstood, this xxx come from anyones ID unintentionally as they r viruses that spread without our control > > Sunil Nair was allowed unmoderated passage > > and all my request to stick to subject, ignore members who he had reservations never bore fruit, worse openly was declared he enjoyed taunting members > > after enough rope was given only I hads et non astro content restricted > > ALL ASTRO CONTENT FROM HIM I WILL PASS no problem with it > > today as said the message concerns astrologers in generala nd their free readings need to be respected, acknowledged, fees come later. > > a thank u > > a feedback that some event happened around the same time or earlier or later > > or did not happen or tooka opposite turn kind are helpful in strengthening the subject as many new aspirants are learing this humance science. > > so pl respect the subject and its professionals, if they live they subject lives it is a free society that has to support the professionals else they can also choose other professions and no one who can guide u with less side effects, self interest will also be lost > > this subject can't be automated either we need a human intercace > > WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND > > > Best wishes > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises > > Wednesday, October 8, 2008 1:12:22 PM > Re: Tirade against one individual > > > Dear LM, > > Dont sit and pass judgements. We know what drama you do everywhere. > You are the person who has spoilt all the forums on Internet. > > Why dont you help Bhagvatjee and spare us from your nonsense ? > > You are targetting me, which the Moderator knows very well. I have > given free initially and then come to complain that I did not get a > single paisa ? No you need brains to figure out what I meant ? You > got it all wrong and miscnstruing and misinterpreting and twisting > the facts, which has been your only agenda in Life, till now. > > Pl give the members your phone no and contact address, so we all will > come to know your great stature. > > Bhaskar. > > , " lm_astro " <lm_astro@ .> > wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I feel the group has been a bit too harsh on Ms Bhagvatjee. What > is > > wrong if she has been seeking advice from more than one astrologer. > > There is no harm in getting more than one opinion. > > Those who think that it is a waste of their time, they should > ignore > > her request. > > Any astrologer who expects a paid reading should make it clear in > the > > first response itself that he is willing to give a reading provided > he > > gets paid for it. > > Initially the astrologer gives a free reading and then comes to the > > group to complaint that he did not get paid a single paisa. > > > > At least I take this opportunity to apologise to the lady for all > the > > hurt done to her. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > L M astro > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Dear Moderator, This man is not talking sense. What is he trying to convey here ? Who is asking fr money, by the way, for the readings given ? What is being asked is to stop from consistent enquiring from any astrologer, and once he is finished, then jumping to another astrologer. What is being asked is not to insult those who have replied by this continous asking from every astrologer on the jyotish forums. What is asked is to do not show disrespect to the astrologer who has given readings, by once again asking the same queries to another astrologer, on the same platforms. Who has asked money, and where ????? Why is LM trying to twist the matters, which are not of his concern . Please ask him not to elongate this thread when he is not connected to the issue, either as a contributor, or as a aggrieved party. And still if he has to, then let him disclose his identity because all the rest of us are real people with known contact numbers and addresses. But who is he ? regards, Bhaskar. , " lm_astro " <lm_astro wrote: > > Dear Moderator, > > I am not against paid readings. It is the astrologer who has to make > the terms of his service clear right at the beginning. It is he who > has to say that I will answer one query free and the rest will be > charged. If the seeker needs further advice he knows that he has to > pay for it. > But once the astrologer had been offering free advice to the > subsequent queries put by the same seeker, he does not have a moral > right to claim money for all that advice which he had given free at > his own will. > I would certainly condemn a person who seeks a paid advice and then > doesn’t pay or shirks paying. > But I will not condemn a person who seeks an advice in an open forum > where astrologers volunteer to render free advice without any such > pre-condition that the seeker will have to pay. > > Sincerely, > > L M astro > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, Bhaskar, > > > > Well I am not sure who LM ASTRO is if anyone knows let me know- IT > IS WRONG TO ASSUME/BLAME ME > > > > this message was passed unmoderated. will be so till I find this > troublesome. > > > > THIS MEMBER JOINED ON APR 9 08 > > > > one must clearly understand what I have said from the day i took > over as Moderator on Apr 28 08 that all NEW MEMBERS R MODERATED and > one or two at that time trouble some ones > > > > ALL OLD MEMBERS WERE ALLOWED FREE-UNMODERATED passages if u r > recall when a XXX mail came from taruns ID I was blamed for passing > it > > > > then too i said same all OLD members had free passage after this > incident I have set moderation to all the friends circle of Bhaskar > then toa void this embaressement even freedom was misunderstood, > this xxx come from anyones ID unintentionally as they r viruses that > spread without our control > > > > Sunil Nair was allowed unmoderated passage > > > > and all my request to stick to subject, ignore members who he had > reservations never bore fruit, worse openly was declared he enjoyed > taunting members > > > > after enough rope was given only I hads et non astro content > restricted > > > > ALL ASTRO CONTENT FROM HIM I WILL PASS no problem with it > > > > today as said the message concerns astrologers in generala nd > their free readings need to be respected, acknowledged, fees come > later. > > > > a thank u > > > > a feedback that some event happened around the same time or > earlier or later > > > > or did not happen or tooka opposite turn kind are helpful in > strengthening the subject as many new aspirants are learing this > humance science. > > > > so pl respect the subject and its professionals, if they live they > subject lives it is a free society that has to support the > professionals else they can also choose other professions and no one > who can guide u with less side effects, self interest will also be > lost > > > > this subject can't be automated either we need a human intercace > > > > WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur > life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna > verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group > either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations > outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database > section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> > > > > Wednesday, October 8, 2008 1:12:22 PM > > Re: Tirade against one individual > > > > > > Dear LM, > > > > Dont sit and pass judgements. We know what drama you do > everywhere. > > You are the person who has spoilt all the forums on Internet. > > > > Why dont you help Bhagvatjee and spare us from your nonsense ? > > > > You are targetting me, which the Moderator knows very well. I have > > given free initially and then come to complain that I did not get > a > > single paisa ? No you need brains to figure out what I meant ? You > > got it all wrong and miscnstruing and misinterpreting and twisting > > the facts, which has been your only agenda in Life, till now. > > > > Pl give the members your phone no and contact address, so we all > will > > come to know your great stature. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > , " lm_astro " > <lm_astro@ .> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I feel the group has been a bit too harsh on Ms Bhagvatjee. > What > > is > > > wrong if she has been seeking advice from more than one > astrologer. > > > There is no harm in getting more than one opinion. > > > Those who think that it is a waste of their time, they should > > ignore > > > her request. > > > Any astrologer who expects a paid reading should make it clear > in > > the > > > first response itself that he is willing to give a reading > provided > > he > > > gets paid for it. > > > Initially the astrologer gives a free reading and then comes to > the > > > group to complaint that he did not get paid a single paisa. > > > > > > At least I take this opportunity to apologise to the lady for > all > > the > > > hurt done to her. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > L M astro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Dear Moderator, There is no body to stop me or any one else from seeking advice from as many people as I feel like so long as there are people willing to answer my request. There is no body to stop me or any one else from seeking the advice from different people in the same forum so long as there are people in the same forum ready to give me advice. There is no body to stop me from seeking free advice from one and seek paid advice from another. There is no such cumpulsion that I seek paid advice from the same person who volunteered to offer free advice. Seeking advice is my choice, it can not be dictated by any one. To respond or not is that of the others. How is seeking another opinion an insult to the one who has given an opinion earlier. Free advice does not mean getting into a bondage. Those who consider it an insult should respond to the message only after clarifying that the seeker will not consult any body else. He should respond to the seeker only after the seeker gives in writing that he will not seek another opinion. Sincerely, L M , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > Dear Moderator, > > This man is not talking sense. What is he trying to convey here ? > Who is asking fr money, by the way, for the readings given ? > > What is being asked is to stop from consistent enquiring from any > astrologer, and once he is finished, then jumping to another > astrologer. What is being asked is not to insult those who have > replied by this continous asking from every astrologer on the jyotish > forums. What is asked is to do not show disrespect to the astrologer > who has given readings, by once again asking the same queries to > another astrologer, on the same platforms. > > Who has asked money, and where ????? > > Why is LM trying to twist the matters, which are not of his concern . > Please ask him not to elongate this thread when he is not connected > to the issue, either as a contributor, or as a aggrieved party. > > And still if he has to, then let him disclose his identity because > all the rest of us are real people with known contact numbers and > addresses. But who is he ? > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " lm_astro " <lm_astro@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Moderator, > > > > I am not against paid readings. It is the astrologer who has to > make > > the terms of his service clear right at the beginning. It is he who > > has to say that I will answer one query free and the rest will be > > charged. If the seeker needs further advice he knows that he has to > > pay for it. > > But once the astrologer had been offering free advice to the > > subsequent queries put by the same seeker, he does not have a moral > > right to claim money for all that advice which he had given free at > > his own will. > > I would certainly condemn a person who seeks a paid advice and then > > doesn’t pay or shirks paying. > > But I will not condemn a person who seeks an advice in an open > forum > > where astrologers volunteer to render free advice without any such > > pre-condition that the seeker will have to pay. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > L M astro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, Bhaskar, > > > > > > Well I am not sure who LM ASTRO is if anyone knows let me know- > IT > > IS WRONG TO ASSUME/BLAME ME > > > > > > this message was passed unmoderated. will be so till I find this > > troublesome. > > > > > > THIS MEMBER JOINED ON APR 9 08 > > > > > > one must clearly understand what I have said from the day i took > > over as Moderator on Apr 28 08 that all NEW MEMBERS R MODERATED and > > one or two at that time trouble some ones > > > > > > ALL OLD MEMBERS WERE ALLOWED FREE-UNMODERATED passages if u r > > recall when a XXX mail came from taruns ID I was blamed for passing > > it > > > > > > then too i said same all OLD members had free passage after this > > incident I have set moderation to all the friends circle of Bhaskar > > then toa void this embaressement even freedom was misunderstood, > > this xxx come from anyones ID unintentionally as they r viruses > that > > spread without our control > > > > > > Sunil Nair was allowed unmoderated passage > > > > > > and all my request to stick to subject, ignore members who he had > > reservations never bore fruit, worse openly was declared he enjoyed > > taunting members > > > > > > after enough rope was given only I hads et non astro content > > restricted > > > > > > ALL ASTRO CONTENT FROM HIM I WILL PASS no problem with it > > > > > > today as said the message concerns astrologers in generala nd > > their free readings need to be respected, acknowledged, fees come > > later. > > > > > > a thank u > > > > > > a feedback that some event happened around the same time or > > earlier or later > > > > > > or did not happen or tooka opposite turn kind are helpful in > > strengthening the subject as many new aspirants are learing this > > humance science. > > > > > > so pl respect the subject and its professionals, if they live > they > > subject lives it is a free society that has to support the > > professionals else they can also choose other professions and no > one > > who can guide u with less side effects, self interest will also be > > lost > > > > > > this subject can't be automated either we need a human intercace > > > > > > WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur > > life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna > > verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group > > either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations > > outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database > > section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> > > > > > > Wednesday, October 8, 2008 1:12:22 PM > > > Re: Tirade against one individual > > > > > > > > > Dear LM, > > > > > > Dont sit and pass judgements. We know what drama you do > > everywhere. > > > You are the person who has spoilt all the forums on Internet. > > > > > > Why dont you help Bhagvatjee and spare us from your nonsense ? > > > > > > You are targetting me, which the Moderator knows very well. I > have > > > given free initially and then come to complain that I did not get > > a > > > single paisa ? No you need brains to figure out what I meant ? > You > > > got it all wrong and miscnstruing and misinterpreting and > twisting > > > the facts, which has been your only agenda in Life, till now. > > > > > > Pl give the members your phone no and contact address, so we all > > will > > > come to know your great stature. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " lm_astro " > > <lm_astro@ .> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > I feel the group has been a bit too harsh on Ms Bhagvatjee. > > What > > > is > > > > wrong if she has been seeking advice from more than one > > astrologer. > > > > There is no harm in getting more than one opinion. > > > > Those who think that it is a waste of their time, they should > > > ignore > > > > her request. > > > > Any astrologer who expects a paid reading should make it clear > > in > > > the > > > > first response itself that he is willing to give a reading > > provided > > > he > > > > gets paid for it. > > > > Initially the astrologer gives a free reading and then comes to > > the > > > > group to complaint that he did not get paid a single paisa. > > > > > > > > At least I take this opportunity to apologise to the lady for > > all > > > the > > > > hurt done to her. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > L M astro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 LM . U r mind is chemicalised so u cant see the truth . This astrology is not abt binding but it so also .here the prime idea is to help natives ,but if he or she gets 1000 readings how she will b helped with 1000 opinions and 1000 remedies which one she will take .So if she is not serious and astrologers over look this aspect of any one ,then their time and other queriest time is gone waisted ,but it will never happen in paid readings ( here if astrologer is bad max they loose money which is nothing when u see this quesriests with same query in grps for last 5 yrs in grps--pls search in grps for some famous names ) No one realy come out of any problem s ,they go more and more in deep shit only . so think if u hav intelligence ,the question of money come here on 2 aspects ,one is astrologer also human being ( i know u think other wise because u never giv any readings in ur life ) 2nd is paid readings has some sincerity on the part of queriests ( if astrologer is bad they must look for best ones ) to know future ,where as free reading helped only real needy persons who has not money to pay only .because those who blv in karma will understand it ( u will understand later as usual as of now no one in earth can make u understand it ) 3rd aspect is can u show me any classics where says astrologer shud giv only free readings only ( because u r emphasising that part too much )if so pls quote it .or queriests can go as much as free reading possible , " lm_astro " <lm_astro wrote: > > Dear Moderator, > > There is no body to stop me or any one else from seeking advice from > as many people as I feel like so long as there are people willing to > answer my request. > > There is no body to stop me or any one else from seeking the advice > from different people in the same forum so long as there are people > in the same forum ready to give me advice. > > There is no body to stop me from seeking free advice from one and > seek paid advice from another. There is no such cumpulsion that I > seek paid advice from the same person who volunteered to offer free > advice. > > Seeking advice is my choice, it can not be dictated by any one. To > respond or not is that of the others. > > How is seeking another opinion an insult to the one who has given an > opinion earlier. Free advice does not mean getting into a bondage. > > Those who consider it an insult should respond to the message only > after clarifying that the seeker will not consult any body else. He > should respond to the seeker only after the seeker gives in writing > that he will not seek another opinion. > > Sincerely, > > L M > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > Dear Moderator, > > > > This man is not talking sense. What is he trying to convey here ? > > Who is asking fr money, by the way, for the readings given ? > > > > What is being asked is to stop from consistent enquiring from any > > astrologer, and once he is finished, then jumping to another > > astrologer. What is being asked is not to insult those who have > > replied by this continous asking from every astrologer on the > jyotish > > forums. What is asked is to do not show disrespect to the > astrologer > > who has given readings, by once again asking the same queries to > > another astrologer, on the same platforms. > > > > Who has asked money, and where ????? > > > > Why is LM trying to twist the matters, which are not of his > concern . > > Please ask him not to elongate this thread when he is not > connected > > to the issue, either as a contributor, or as a aggrieved party. > > > > And still if he has to, then let him disclose his identity because > > all the rest of us are real people with known contact numbers and > > addresses. But who is he ? > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " lm_astro " <lm_astro@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Moderator, > > > > > > I am not against paid readings. It is the astrologer who has to > > make > > > the terms of his service clear right at the beginning. It is he > who > > > has to say that I will answer one query free and the rest will > be > > > charged. If the seeker needs further advice he knows that he has > to > > > pay for it. > > > But once the astrologer had been offering free advice to the > > > subsequent queries put by the same seeker, he does not have a > moral > > > right to claim money for all that advice which he had given free > at > > > his own will. > > > I would certainly condemn a person who seeks a paid advice and > then > > > doesn’t pay or shirks paying. > > > But I will not condemn a person who seeks an advice in an open > > forum > > > where astrologers volunteer to render free advice without any > such > > > pre-condition that the seeker will have to pay. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > L M astro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > Well I am not sure who LM ASTRO is if anyone knows let me know- > > > IT > > > IS WRONG TO ASSUME/BLAME ME > > > > > > > > this message was passed unmoderated. will be so till I find > this > > > troublesome. > > > > > > > > THIS MEMBER JOINED ON APR 9 08 > > > > > > > > one must clearly understand what I have said from the day i > took > > > over as Moderator on Apr 28 08 that all NEW MEMBERS R MODERATED > and > > > one or two at that time trouble some ones > > > > > > > > ALL OLD MEMBERS WERE ALLOWED FREE-UNMODERATED passages if u r > > > recall when a XXX mail came from taruns ID I was blamed for > passing > > > it > > > > > > > > then too i said same all OLD members had free passage after > this > > > incident I have set moderation to all the friends circle of > Bhaskar > > > then toa void this embaressement even freedom was misunderstood, > > > this xxx come from anyones ID unintentionally as they r viruses > > that > > > spread without our control > > > > > > > > Sunil Nair was allowed unmoderated passage > > > > > > > > and all my request to stick to subject, ignore members who he > had > > > reservations never bore fruit, worse openly was declared he > enjoyed > > > taunting members > > > > > > > > after enough rope was given only I hads et non astro content > > > restricted > > > > > > > > ALL ASTRO CONTENT FROM HIM I WILL PASS no problem with it > > > > > > > > today as said the message concerns astrologers in generala nd > > > their free readings need to be respected, acknowledged, fees > come > > > later. > > > > > > > > a thank u > > > > > > > > a feedback that some event happened around the same time or > > > earlier or later > > > > > > > > or did not happen or tooka opposite turn kind are helpful in > > > strengthening the subject as many new aspirants are learing this > > > humance science. > > > > > > > > so pl respect the subject and its professionals, if they live > > they > > > subject lives it is a free society that has to support the > > > professionals else they can also choose other professions and no > > one > > > who can guide u with less side effects, self interest will also > be > > > lost > > > > > > > > this subject can't be automated either we need a human > intercace > > > > > > > > WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > > from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in > ur > > > life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna > > > verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the > group > > > either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations > > > outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see > Database > > > section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, October 8, 2008 1:12:22 PM > > > > Re: Tirade against one individual > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear LM, > > > > > > > > Dont sit and pass judgements. We know what drama you do > > > everywhere. > > > > You are the person who has spoilt all the forums on Internet. > > > > > > > > Why dont you help Bhagvatjee and spare us from your nonsense ? > > > > > > > > You are targetting me, which the Moderator knows very well. I > > have > > > > given free initially and then come to complain that I did not > get > > > a > > > > single paisa ? No you need brains to figure out what I meant ? > > You > > > > got it all wrong and miscnstruing and misinterpreting and > > twisting > > > > the facts, which has been your only agenda in Life, till now. > > > > > > > > Pl give the members your phone no and contact address, so we > all > > > will > > > > come to know your great stature. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " lm_astro " > > > <lm_astro@ .> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > I feel the group has been a bit too harsh on Ms Bhagvatjee. > > > What > > > > is > > > > > wrong if she has been seeking advice from more than one > > > astrologer. > > > > > There is no harm in getting more than one opinion. > > > > > Those who think that it is a waste of their time, they > should > > > > ignore > > > > > her request. > > > > > Any astrologer who expects a paid reading should make it > clear > > > in > > > > the > > > > > first response itself that he is willing to give a reading > > > provided > > > > he > > > > > gets paid for it. > > > > > Initially the astrologer gives a free reading and then comes > to > > > the > > > > > group to complaint that he did not get paid a single paisa. > > > > > > > > > > At least I take this opportunity to apologise to the lady > for > > > all > > > > the > > > > > hurt done to her. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > L M astro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Dear Moderator, 1) If LM gives the Forum members his name,address and contact no. I will see to it,that I can stop him from all this. I will also like to see him stopping me from stopping him. 2) Why is LM not revealing his/her/it identity ? Why this fear , and of what ? What is he guilty of , that he cannot give us his identity ? If he fails to give us his identity, then it will be understood dear Moderator, that he is a trouble maker, and hope you will do something about it, then. 3) He writes - // There is no such cumpulsion that I seek paid advice from the same person who volunteered to offer free advice. // I ask him - But who is compelling whom, and where ? Show us. And what is it you, even if somebody is doing this ? Is this your lookout, problem, concern or business ? Please go to the Police if you find somebody complelling anyone to do this. Why to cry here in this forum ? e Moderator, you can see he is just trying to provoke,and repeating the same story, which was done few months back with me, when I stopped writing here. regards/Bhaskar. , " lm_astro " <lm_astro wrote: > > Dear Moderator, > > There is no body to stop me or any one else from seeking advice from > as many people as I feel like so long as there are people willing to > answer my request. > > There is no body to stop me or any one else from seeking the advice > from different people in the same forum so long as there are people > in the same forum ready to give me advice. > > There is no body to stop me from seeking free advice from one and > seek paid advice from another. There is no such cumpulsion that I > seek paid advice from the same person who volunteered to offer free > advice. > > Seeking advice is my choice, it can not be dictated by any one. To > respond or not is that of the others. > > How is seeking another opinion an insult to the one who has given an > opinion earlier. Free advice does not mean getting into a bondage. > > Those who consider it an insult should respond to the message only > after clarifying that the seeker will not consult any body else. He > should respond to the seeker only after the seeker gives in writing > that he will not seek another opinion. > > Sincerely, > > L M > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > Dear Moderator, > > > > This man is not talking sense. What is he trying to convey here ? > > Who is asking fr money, by the way, for the readings given ? > > > > What is being asked is to stop from consistent enquiring from any > > astrologer, and once he is finished, then jumping to another > > astrologer. What is being asked is not to insult those who have > > replied by this continous asking from every astrologer on the > jyotish > > forums. What is asked is to do not show disrespect to the > astrologer > > who has given readings, by once again asking the same queries to > > another astrologer, on the same platforms. > > > > Who has asked money, and where ????? > > > > Why is LM trying to twist the matters, which are not of his > concern . > > Please ask him not to elongate this thread when he is not > connected > > to the issue, either as a contributor, or as a aggrieved party. > > > > And still if he has to, then let him disclose his identity because > > all the rest of us are real people with known contact numbers and > > addresses. But who is he ? > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " lm_astro " <lm_astro@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Moderator, > > > > > > I am not against paid readings. It is the astrologer who has to > > make > > > the terms of his service clear right at the beginning. It is he > who > > > has to say that I will answer one query free and the rest will > be > > > charged. If the seeker needs further advice he knows that he has > to > > > pay for it. > > > But once the astrologer had been offering free advice to the > > > subsequent queries put by the same seeker, he does not have a > moral > > > right to claim money for all that advice which he had given free > at > > > his own will. > > > I would certainly condemn a person who seeks a paid advice and > then > > > doesn’t pay or shirks paying. > > > But I will not condemn a person who seeks an advice in an open > > forum > > > where astrologers volunteer to render free advice without any > such > > > pre-condition that the seeker will have to pay. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > L M astro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > Well I am not sure who LM ASTRO is if anyone knows let me know- > > > IT > > > IS WRONG TO ASSUME/BLAME ME > > > > > > > > this message was passed unmoderated. will be so till I find > this > > > troublesome. > > > > > > > > THIS MEMBER JOINED ON APR 9 08 > > > > > > > > one must clearly understand what I have said from the day i > took > > > over as Moderator on Apr 28 08 that all NEW MEMBERS R MODERATED > and > > > one or two at that time trouble some ones > > > > > > > > ALL OLD MEMBERS WERE ALLOWED FREE-UNMODERATED passages if u r > > > recall when a XXX mail came from taruns ID I was blamed for > passing > > > it > > > > > > > > then too i said same all OLD members had free passage after > this > > > incident I have set moderation to all the friends circle of > Bhaskar > > > then toa void this embaressement even freedom was misunderstood, > > > this xxx come from anyones ID unintentionally as they r viruses > > that > > > spread without our control > > > > > > > > Sunil Nair was allowed unmoderated passage > > > > > > > > and all my request to stick to subject, ignore members who he > had > > > reservations never bore fruit, worse openly was declared he > enjoyed > > > taunting members > > > > > > > > after enough rope was given only I hads et non astro content > > > restricted > > > > > > > > ALL ASTRO CONTENT FROM HIM I WILL PASS no problem with it > > > > > > > > today as said the message concerns astrologers in generala nd > > > their free readings need to be respected, acknowledged, fees > come > > > later. > > > > > > > > a thank u > > > > > > > > a feedback that some event happened around the same time or > > > earlier or later > > > > > > > > or did not happen or tooka opposite turn kind are helpful in > > > strengthening the subject as many new aspirants are learing this > > > humance science. > > > > > > > > so pl respect the subject and its professionals, if they live > > they > > > subject lives it is a free society that has to support the > > > professionals else they can also choose other professions and no > > one > > > who can guide u with less side effects, self interest will also > be > > > lost > > > > > > > > this subject can't be automated either we need a human > intercace > > > > > > > > WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > > from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in > ur > > > life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna > > > verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the > group > > > either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations > > > outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see > Database > > > section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, October 8, 2008 1:12:22 PM > > > > Re: Tirade against one individual > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear LM, > > > > > > > > Dont sit and pass judgements. We know what drama you do > > > everywhere. > > > > You are the person who has spoilt all the forums on Internet. > > > > > > > > Why dont you help Bhagvatjee and spare us from your nonsense ? > > > > > > > > You are targetting me, which the Moderator knows very well. I > > have > > > > given free initially and then come to complain that I did not > get > > > a > > > > single paisa ? No you need brains to figure out what I meant ? > > You > > > > got it all wrong and miscnstruing and misinterpreting and > > twisting > > > > the facts, which has been your only agenda in Life, till now. > > > > > > > > Pl give the members your phone no and contact address, so we > all > > > will > > > > come to know your great stature. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " lm_astro " > > > <lm_astro@ .> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > I feel the group has been a bit too harsh on Ms Bhagvatjee. > > > What > > > > is > > > > > wrong if she has been seeking advice from more than one > > > astrologer. > > > > > There is no harm in getting more than one opinion. > > > > > Those who think that it is a waste of their time, they > should > > > > ignore > > > > > her request. > > > > > Any astrologer who expects a paid reading should make it > clear > > > in > > > > the > > > > > first response itself that he is willing to give a reading > > > provided > > > > he > > > > > gets paid for it. > > > > > Initially the astrologer gives a free reading and then comes > to > > > the > > > > > group to complaint that he did not get paid a single paisa. > > > > > > > > > > At least I take this opportunity to apologise to the lady > for > > > all > > > > the > > > > > hurt done to her. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > L M astro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Moderator, I entirely agree with Mr Bhaskarji, and in no place Mr. Bhaskar ji, had ever stated that until a person pays he will not give answer. What this 'LL Astro' talks about 'Moral right'? What morality he has asking the same question repeatedly to all in 'many' forums? What he thinks? We eat carrots and answer his fetched questions? The forum is distinctly formed to discuss 'interpretations from experts' to pick the point of discussion to analyse any ambiguity in the interpretations or add new dimensions to those who wish to learn more about it. It is not that all are having plenty of time to 'waste' for a few only. A.V.Pathi, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Wednesday, October 8, 2008 12:46:00 PM Re: Tirade against one individual Dear Moderator, This man is not talking sense. What is he trying to convey here ? Who is asking fr money, by the way, for the readings given ? What is being asked is to stop from consistent enquiring from any astrologer, and once he is finished, then jumping to another astrologer. What is being asked is not to insult those who have replied by this continous asking from every astrologer on the jyotish forums. What is asked is to do not show disrespect to the astrologer who has given readings, by once again asking the same queries to another astrologer, on the same platforms. Who has asked money, and where ????? Why is LM trying to twist the matters, which are not of his concern . Please ask him not to elongate this thread when he is not connected to the issue, either as a contributor, or as a aggrieved party. And still if he has to, then let him disclose his identity because all the rest of us are real people with known contact numbers and addresses. But who is he ? regards, Bhaskar. , " lm_astro " <lm_astro@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Moderator, > > I am not against paid readings. It is the astrologer who has to make > the terms of his service clear right at the beginning. It is he who > has to say that I will answer one query free and the rest will be > charged. If the seeker needs further advice he knows that he has to > pay for it. > But once the astrologer had been offering free advice to the > subsequent queries put by the same seeker, he does not have a moral > right to claim money for all that advice which he had given free at > his own will. > I would certainly condemn a person who seeks a paid advice and then > doesn’t pay or shirks paying. > But I will not condemn a person who seeks an advice in an open forum > where astrologers volunteer to render free advice without any such > pre-condition that the seeker will have to pay. > > Sincerely, > > L M astro > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, Bhaskar, > > > > Well I am not sure who LM ASTRO is if anyone knows let me know- IT > IS WRONG TO ASSUME/BLAME ME > > > > this message was passed unmoderated. will be so till I find this > troublesome. > > > > THIS MEMBER JOINED ON APR 9 08 > > > > one must clearly understand what I have said from the day i took > over as Moderator on Apr 28 08 that all NEW MEMBERS R MODERATED and > one or two at that time trouble some ones > > > > ALL OLD MEMBERS WERE ALLOWED FREE-UNMODERATED passages if u r > recall when a XXX mail came from taruns ID I was blamed for passing > it > > > > then too i said same all OLD members had free passage after this > incident I have set moderation to all the friends circle of Bhaskar > then toa void this embaressement even freedom was misunderstood, > this xxx come from anyones ID unintentionally as they r viruses that > spread without our control > > > > Sunil Nair was allowed unmoderated passage > > > > and all my request to stick to subject, ignore members who he had > reservations never bore fruit, worse openly was declared he enjoyed > taunting members > > > > after enough rope was given only I hads et non astro content > restricted > > > > ALL ASTRO CONTENT FROM HIM I WILL PASS no problem with it > > > > today as said the message concerns astrologers in generala nd > their free readings need to be respected, acknowledged, fees come > later. > > > > a thank u > > > > a feedback that some event happened around the same time or > earlier or later > > > > or did not happen or tooka opposite turn kind are helpful in > strengthening the subject as many new aspirants are learing this > humance science. > > > > so pl respect the subject and its professionals, if they live they > subject lives it is a free society that has to support the > professionals else they can also choose other professions and no one > who can guide u with less side effects, self interest will also be > lost > > > > this subject can't be automated either we need a human intercace > > > > WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur > life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna > verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group > either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations > outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database > section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > Wednesday, October 8, 2008 1:12:22 PM > > Re: Tirade against one individual > > > > > > Dear LM, > > > > Dont sit and pass judgements. We know what drama you do > everywhere. > > You are the person who has spoilt all the forums on Internet. > > > > Why dont you help Bhagvatjee and spare us from your nonsense ? > > > > You are targetting me, which the Moderator knows very well. I have > > given free initially and then come to complain that I did not get > a > > single paisa ? No you need brains to figure out what I meant ? You > > got it all wrong and miscnstruing and misinterpreting and twisting > > the facts, which has been your only agenda in Life, till now. > > > > Pl give the members your phone no and contact address, so we all > will > > come to know your great stature. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > , " lm_astro " > <lm_astro@ .> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I feel the group has been a bit too harsh on Ms Bhagvatjee. > What > > is > > > wrong if she has been seeking advice from more than one > astrologer. > > > There is no harm in getting more than one opinion. > > > Those who think that it is a waste of their time, they should > > ignore > > > her request. > > > Any astrologer who expects a paid reading should make it clear > in > > the > > > first response itself that he is willing to give a reading > provided > > he > > > gets paid for it. > > > Initially the astrologer gives a free reading and then comes to > the > > > group to complaint that he did not get paid a single paisa. > > > > > > At least I take this opportunity to apologise to the lady for > all > > the > > > hurt done to her. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > L M astro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Dear Moderator, I'm fed up with all this stuff.Pls use ur control before all these go out off hand. Till date I'm a silent member of this forum,here I'm to seek knowledge/advice from elder & learned persons.Already I'm facing lot of troubles.I came here to this group to get peace as well as solace but here too I'm confronting troubles.Pls good ones stop all these nonsense and come to useful and meaningful conditions.I pray to GOD to keep all of the group members disciplined,systematic and sound and healthy approach towards one another. For example,Take for instance MHO(Mumbai Hangout group) and behave well.Their members are almost ONE LAKH people.Try to maintain discipline here. THANQ. WITH REGARDS, RAMESH GORANTLA. --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Re: Tirade against one individual Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 3:33 PM Dear Moderator, 1) If LM gives the Forum members his name,address and contact no. I will see to it,that I can stop him from all this. I will also like to see him stopping me from stopping him. 2) Why is LM not revealing his/her/it identity ? Why this fear , and of what ? What is he guilty of , that he cannot give us his identity ? If he fails to give us his identity, then it will be understood dear Moderator, that he is a trouble maker, and hope you will do something about it, then. 3) He writes - // There is no such cumpulsion that I seek paid advice from the same person who volunteered to offer free advice. // I ask him - But who is compelling whom, and where ? Show us. And what is it you, even if somebody is doing this ? Is this your lookout, problem, concern or business ? Please go to the Police if you find somebody complelling anyone to do this. Why to cry here in this forum ? e Moderator, you can see he is just trying to provoke,and repeating the same story, which was done few months back with me, when I stopped writing here. regards/Bhaskar. , " lm_astro " <lm_astro@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Moderator, > > There is no body to stop me or any one else from seeking advice from > as many people as I feel like so long as there are people willing to > answer my request. > > There is no body to stop me or any one else from seeking the advice > from different people in the same forum so long as there are people > in the same forum ready to give me advice. > > There is no body to stop me from seeking free advice from one and > seek paid advice from another. There is no such cumpulsion that I > seek paid advice from the same person who volunteered to offer free > advice. > > Seeking advice is my choice, it can not be dictated by any one. To > respond or not is that of the others. > > How is seeking another opinion an insult to the one who has given an > opinion earlier. Free advice does not mean getting into a bondage. > > Those who consider it an insult should respond to the message only > after clarifying that the seeker will not consult any body else. He > should respond to the seeker only after the seeker gives in writing > that he will not seek another opinion. > > Sincerely, > > L M > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Moderator, > > > > This man is not talking sense. What is he trying to convey here ? > > Who is asking fr money, by the way, for the readings given ? > > > > What is being asked is to stop from consistent enquiring from any > > astrologer, and once he is finished, then jumping to another > > astrologer. What is being asked is not to insult those who have > > replied by this continous asking from every astrologer on the > jyotish > > forums. What is asked is to do not show disrespect to the > astrologer > > who has given readings, by once again asking the same queries to > > another astrologer, on the same platforms. > > > > Who has asked money, and where ????? > > > > Why is LM trying to twist the matters, which are not of his > concern . > > Please ask him not to elongate this thread when he is not > connected > > to the issue, either as a contributor, or as a aggrieved party. > > > > And still if he has to, then let him disclose his identity because > > all the rest of us are real people with known contact numbers and > > addresses. But who is he ? > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " lm_astro " <lm_astro@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Moderator, > > > > > > I am not against paid readings. It is the astrologer who has to > > make > > > the terms of his service clear right at the beginning. It is he > who > > > has to say that I will answer one query free and the rest will > be > > > charged. If the seeker needs further advice he knows that he has > to > > > pay for it. > > > But once the astrologer had been offering free advice to the > > > subsequent queries put by the same seeker, he does not have a > moral > > > right to claim money for all that advice which he had given free > at > > > his own will. > > > I would certainly condemn a person who seeks a paid advice and > then > > > doesn’t pay or shirks paying. > > > But I will not condemn a person who seeks an advice in an open > > forum > > > where astrologers volunteer to render free advice without any > such > > > pre-condition that the seeker will have to pay. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > L M astro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > Well I am not sure who LM ASTRO is if anyone knows let me know- > > > IT > > > IS WRONG TO ASSUME/BLAME ME > > > > > > > > this message was passed unmoderated. will be so till I find > this > > > troublesome. > > > > > > > > THIS MEMBER JOINED ON APR 9 08 > > > > > > > > one must clearly understand what I have said from the day i > took > > > over as Moderator on Apr 28 08 that all NEW MEMBERS R MODERATED > and > > > one or two at that time trouble some ones > > > > > > > > ALL OLD MEMBERS WERE ALLOWED FREE-UNMODERATED passages if u r > > > recall when a XXX mail came from taruns ID I was blamed for > passing > > > it > > > > > > > > then too i said same all OLD members had free passage after > this > > > incident I have set moderation to all the friends circle of > Bhaskar > > > then toa void this embaressement even freedom was misunderstood, > > > this xxx come from anyones ID unintentionally as they r viruses > > that > > > spread without our control > > > > > > > > Sunil Nair was allowed unmoderated passage > > > > > > > > and all my request to stick to subject, ignore members who he > had > > > reservations never bore fruit, worse openly was declared he > enjoyed > > > taunting members > > > > > > > > after enough rope was given only I hads et non astro content > > > restricted > > > > > > > > ALL ASTRO CONTENT FROM HIM I WILL PASS no problem with it > > > > > > > > today as said the message concerns astrologers in generala nd > > > their free readings need to be respected, acknowledged, fees > come > > > later. > > > > > > > > a thank u > > > > > > > > a feedback that some event happened around the same time or > > > earlier or later > > > > > > > > or did not happen or tooka opposite turn kind are helpful in > > > strengthening the subject as many new aspirants are learing this > > > humance science. > > > > > > > > so pl respect the subject and its professionals, if they live > > they > > > subject lives it is a free society that has to support the > > > professionals else they can also choose other professions and no > > one > > > who can guide u with less side effects, self interest will also > be > > > lost > > > > > > > > this subject can't be automated either we need a human > intercace > > > > > > > > WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > > from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in > ur > > > life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna > > > verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the > group > > > either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations > > > outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see > Database > > > section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, October 8, 2008 1:12:22 PM > > > > Re: Tirade against one individual > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear LM, > > > > > > > > Dont sit and pass judgements. We know what drama you do > > > everywhere. > > > > You are the person who has spoilt all the forums on Internet. > > > > > > > > Why dont you help Bhagvatjee and spare us from your nonsense ? > > > > > > > > You are targetting me, which the Moderator knows very well. I > > have > > > > given free initially and then come to complain that I did not > get > > > a > > > > single paisa ? No you need brains to figure out what I meant ? > > You > > > > got it all wrong and miscnstruing and misinterpreting and > > twisting > > > > the facts, which has been your only agenda in Life, till now. > > > > > > > > Pl give the members your phone no and contact address, so we > all > > > will > > > > come to know your great stature. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " lm_astro " > > > <lm_astro@ .> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > I feel the group has been a bit too harsh on Ms Bhagvatjee. > > > What > > > > is > > > > > wrong if she has been seeking advice from more than one > > > astrologer. > > > > > There is no harm in getting more than one opinion. > > > > > Those who think that it is a waste of their time, they > should > > > > ignore > > > > > her request. > > > > > Any astrologer who expects a paid reading should make it > clear > > > in > > > > the > > > > > first response itself that he is willing to give a reading > > > provided > > > > he > > > > > gets paid for it. > > > > > Initially the astrologer gives a free reading and then comes > to > > > the > > > > > group to complaint that he did not get paid a single paisa. > > > > > > > > > > At least I take this opportunity to apologise to the lady > for > > > all > > > > the > > > > > hurt done to her. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > L M astro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 ll HARE RAM ll Dear Sh.Pathi ji, I am completely agree with your following words as " What morality he (one) has asking the same question repeatedly to all in 'many' forums? What he (one) thinks? We eat carrots and answer his fetched questions? The forum is distinctly formed to discuss 'interpretations from experts' to pick the point of discussion to analyse any ambiguity in the interpretations or add new dimensions to those who wish to learn more about it.It is not that all are having plenty of time to 'waste' for a few only. " It is really a painful moment for one astrologer when he looks the same query on other forum other day for which he already spent his valuable time for giving answer.So Mr.Bhaskar's stand is right to get some payment. I add " one with he " because i am not criticing some one.I am only agreed with the raised question regarding payment. Regards Shashi Shekher " Shaaswat " Shashi S.Sharma [Vedic Astrologer & Gems Advisor] Cell-09818310075 [Member-Planetary Gemologists Association,Bangkok,Thailand] www.freewebs.com/astroremedies [Private consultation is chargeable.Please contact me in polite.astro ] --- On Thu, 10/9/08, venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav Re: Re: Tirade against one individual Thursday, October 9, 2008, 3:56 AM Moderator, I entirely agree with Mr Bhaskarji, and in no place Mr. Bhaskar ji, had ever stated that until a person pays he will not give answer. What this 'LL Astro' talks about 'Moral right'? What morality he has asking the same question repeatedly to all in 'many' forums? What he thinks? We eat carrots and answer his fetched questions? The forum is distinctly formed to discuss 'interpretations from experts' to pick the point of discussion to analyse any ambiguity in the interpretations or add new dimensions to those who wish to learn more about it. It is not that all are having plenty of time to 'waste' for a few only. A.V.Pathi, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Wednesday, October 8, 2008 12:46:00 PM Re: Tirade against one individual Dear Moderator, This man is not talking sense. What is he trying to convey here ? Who is asking fr money, by the way, for the readings given ? What is being asked is to stop from consistent enquiring from any astrologer, and once he is finished, then jumping to another astrologer. What is being asked is not to insult those who have replied by this continous asking from every astrologer on the jyotish forums. What is asked is to do not show disrespect to the astrologer who has given readings, by once again asking the same queries to another astrologer, on the same platforms. Who has asked money, and where ????? Why is LM trying to twist the matters, which are not of his concern . Please ask him not to elongate this thread when he is not connected to the issue, either as a contributor, or as a aggrieved party. And still if he has to, then let him disclose his identity because all the rest of us are real people with known contact numbers and addresses. But who is he ? regards, Bhaskar. , " lm_astro " <lm_astro@.. ..> wrote: > > Dear Moderator, > > I am not against paid readings. It is the astrologer who has to make > the terms of his service clear right at the beginning. It is he who > has to say that I will answer one query free and the rest will be > charged. If the seeker needs further advice he knows that he has to > pay for it. > But once the astrologer had been offering free advice to the > subsequent queries put by the same seeker, he does not have a moral > right to claim money for all that advice which he had given free at > his own will. > I would certainly condemn a person who seeks a paid advice and then > doesn’t pay or shirks paying. > But I will not condemn a person who seeks an advice in an open forum > where astrologers volunteer to render free advice without any such > pre-condition that the seeker will have to pay. > > Sincerely, > > L M astro > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, Bhaskar, > > > > Well I am not sure who LM ASTRO is if anyone knows let me know- IT > IS WRONG TO ASSUME/BLAME ME > > > > this message was passed unmoderated. will be so till I find this > troublesome. > > > > THIS MEMBER JOINED ON APR 9 08 > > > > one must clearly understand what I have said from the day i took > over as Moderator on Apr 28 08 that all NEW MEMBERS R MODERATED and > one or two at that time trouble some ones > > > > ALL OLD MEMBERS WERE ALLOWED FREE-UNMODERATED passages if u r > recall when a XXX mail came from taruns ID I was blamed for passing > it > > > > then too i said same all OLD members had free passage after this > incident I have set moderation to all the friends circle of Bhaskar > then toa void this embaressement even freedom was misunderstood, > this xxx come from anyones ID unintentionally as they r viruses that > spread without our control > > > > Sunil Nair was allowed unmoderated passage > > > > and all my request to stick to subject, ignore members who he had > reservations never bore fruit, worse openly was declared he enjoyed > taunting members > > > > after enough rope was given only I hads et non astro content > restricted > > > > ALL ASTRO CONTENT FROM HIM I WILL PASS no problem with it > > > > today as said the message concerns astrologers in generala nd > their free readings need to be respected, acknowledged, fees come > later. > > > > a thank u > > > > a feedback that some event happened around the same time or > earlier or later > > > > or did not happen or tooka opposite turn kind are helpful in > strengthening the subject as many new aspirants are learing this > humance science. > > > > so pl respect the subject and its professionals, if they live they > subject lives it is a free society that has to support the > professionals else they can also choose other professions and no one > who can guide u with less side effects, self interest will also be > lost > > > > this subject can't be automated either we need a human intercace > > > > WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur > life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna > verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group > either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations > outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database > section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > Wednesday, October 8, 2008 1:12:22 PM > > Re: Tirade against one individual > > > > > > Dear LM, > > > > Dont sit and pass judgements. We know what drama you do > everywhere. > > You are the person who has spoilt all the forums on Internet. > > > > Why dont you help Bhagvatjee and spare us from your nonsense ? > > > > You are targetting me, which the Moderator knows very well. I have > > given free initially and then come to complain that I did not get > a > > single paisa ? No you need brains to figure out what I meant ? You > > got it all wrong and miscnstruing and misinterpreting and twisting > > the facts, which has been your only agenda in Life, till now. > > > > Pl give the members your phone no and contact address, so we all > will > > come to know your great stature. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > , " lm_astro " > <lm_astro@ .> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I feel the group has been a bit too harsh on Ms Bhagvatjee. > What > > is > > > wrong if she has been seeking advice from more than one > astrologer. > > > There is no harm in getting more than one opinion. > > > Those who think that it is a waste of their time, they should > > ignore > > > her request. > > > Any astrologer who expects a paid reading should make it clear > in > > the > > > first response itself that he is willing to give a reading > provided > > he > > > gets paid for it. > > > Initially the astrologer gives a free reading and then comes to > the > > > group to complaint that he did not get paid a single paisa. > > > > > > At least I take this opportunity to apologise to the lady for > all > > the > > > hurt done to her. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > L M astro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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