Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 dear friends once sage bhargava also known as sukracharya did tapas for five thousand years at kasi (varanasi) invoking the grace of lord shiva after which lord shiva grants him the mrita sanjivini vidya and also gives a boon that he will be born as his son later. He also makes sukra as the foremost of all planets and gives a boon that all marriages performed when sukra is rising shall be benefited. thus sukra becomes kalatrakaraka for men and all men becomes manly and are able to get sons with the grace of sukra. later when pramadha ganas of lord shiva were fighting with daityas, sukracharya was helping all dead rakshasas become alive which makes lord shiva angry and lord shiva swallows sukracharya. after staying inside the shiva's body for sometime, sage sukracharya assumes the form of semen and comes out of lord shiva. then lord shiva grants a boon that he be treated as a son of lord shiva. with this backdrop, those men and women not getting married or not having children are advised to worship lord shiva and do abhishekam with milk to shivalingam so that planet sukra's benefic results start happening soonest. remedies like these are very simple and doable even by poor people to get benefic results from planet sukra. sage sukracharya is a descendant of sage bhrigu and his original name was usanasa and he wrote usana samhita which details about marriages and also another book, usana smriti. sage brihaspati, the guru of devatas, has a son named kacha who approaches sukracharya as a shishya and learns mritasanjivini vidya. sukracharya's daughter devayani and her story is known to most people. sage sukracharya with his powers helped hiranyakasipu rule the world for some 73 crore years and also helped bali chakravarti ruled the world for some 21 crore years. it is pertinent to note that in hindu mythoogy, there is equal representation of gods, sages, kings and even demons (rahu and ketu) who are all allocated planetary status in which form they keep giving their service to the universe. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Namaste Pandit-Arjun ji, This reminds me of an untested theory that in marriage Venus should be directly or indirectly connected either in Dasha or in Transits. Technically this may not happen all the time, some exceptions can still be there. Few believe in doing birth time rectification using this untested theory to an extent. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Dear Arjun ji, Thanks for the beautiful informative mail.//> firstly, sukracharya has his original name usanasa and is a son of sage > bhrigu. sage bhrigu is a son of lord brahma. members are also aware > of brahma's son pulastya, pulastya's son visrasrava and visrasrava's > son ravana.////> sage sukracharya was a guru to all i.e. gods, kings, sages, devatas and > rakshasas. however, devatas were biased towards brihaspati and > rakshasas were biased towards sukracharya.// Texts like Sukra Neeti prompts us to think that - Sukracharya was an aryan sage (sage of devas/brahmins/aryans), even though he had some difference of opinion with Brihaspati. The conflict between Sukracharya tradition and Brihaspati tradition seems to be conflict prevalent during the later vedic period. Possibly the same could be true for Parasurama as well - but in better ancient past during the Vedic period itself. Possibly parasurama tradition was an aryan tradition, but a tradition which many differences and one which gave importance to study of Atharvaveda. This is evident from the numerous villages he populated with brahmins for the study of Atharva veda - both in Uppar Satlej vally (in Himachal Pradesh) and in South Indian Western coast (in Kerala) etc. It is also cute to note that the Gujarati (Ahi kula; Kach) brahmins who follow Sukracharya calls them selves as Brigus; we should also note that Parasurama is also a Brigu and is known by the name Bhargava - Both Parasurama and Sukracharya are Brigu or Bhargava (meaning born in the same tradition as that of Sage Brigu). Thus - * Bhrigu - Must be the originator of a unique tradition (Early vedic phase) * Parasurama tradition - an ancient deviation from vedic religion which followed Atharva veda tradition. (Medieval vedic phase) * Sukracharya tradition - Connected to Brigu tradition, and is popular as a strong opposition to the Brihaspati tradition. Now the question may come what was the contribution of original Brigus which was present there from the earlier vedic phase itself; It is known that - Mahabharata, the herculean literary text, is a contribution of Bhrigus. It is believed that it is Brihus who amended, improved, modified, preserved this ancient text from generation to generation and gave it its current shape. It all seems to be very interesting! Is it not?Love and regards,Sreenadh , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote:>> dear friends> > while discussing on jupiter and venus earlier, neelamji expressed how > and when venus started representing daityas or rakshasas. sometime > earlier, another member wanted a reference from scriptures where it is > mentioned that sukragraha is sukracharya.> > firstly, sukracharya has his original name usanasa and is a son of sage > bhrigu. sage bhrigu is a son of lord brahma. members are also aware > of brahma's son pulastya, pulastya's son visrasrava and visrasrava's > son ravana.> > sage sukracharya was a guru to all i.e. gods, kings, sages, devatas and > rakshasas. however, devatas were biased towards brihaspati and > rakshasas were biased towards sukracharya. sages, by their wont, bless > those who approach and show respect towards them. there were many > references where sage sukracharya was equally learnt that of sage > brihaspati. brihaspati sending his son kacha to sukracharya to become > his shishya and learn mritasanjivinividya and the subsequent affair of > sukracharya's daughter devayani with kacha is known to all. like the > two party system prevailing these days, the various sects from gods to > demons were loosely divided into taking two sides viz. devatas and > rakshasas and it is at this juncture that several rakshasa kings who > ruled the world for crores of years treated sage sukracharya as their > guru and made all their people as shishyas of sukra. it is how sage > sukracharya is branded as guru of rakshasas, though in reality, he is a > guru of all who approach him.> > shivapurana, rudrasamhita, yuddhakhanda section 5, chapters 47 to 50 > narrate how lord shiva blessed sukracharya to become a planet that > enhances semen and virility (kalatrakaraka) in men to get children and > also how marriages performed when sukra is rising are most auspicious > and benefic to the natives.> > hindu mythology has lot of references of how gods, kings, sages and > demons were given planetary status and these references are found in > various puranas. since astrologers attribute mythological lordships > and dieties to worship for each planet as remedies, as written in the > ancient astro scriptures, mythological references are as valid as the > visible astronomical planets.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Dear Group, Pandit ji's mail about Shukracharya has given some insights into the behaviour of the planet which we might use to understand its various manifestations. Though in its elements Venus is male form and signifies semen and virility, but assumes a female adornment in practice, when it becomes beauty, grace, ornaments and finer sensibilities. To appease venus for marriage, we worship shiva, but venus itself is shakti roop. And in total becomes a symbol of unity of male and female as in marriage. There are many interesting astronomical facts also which connect well to our astrological understanding of the planet. We can only marvel at the profound understanding of our sages Venus has a very long day, equal to 243 Earth days! Stranger still is the fact that a day on Venus is longer than its year! It's orbital period around the Sun is only 224 days, exactly 5/8 of the Earth's year. Venus takes 584 days to catch up between conjunctions. Venus appears to move in elaborate loops and dips during each apparition. The 584 days includes one complete morning star and evening star apparition. Notice: 5 x 584 days = 2920 days, 8 x 365 days = 2920 days, 99 x 29.5 days = 2920 days Thus 5 conjunctions of Venus equals 8 Earth years (+ 2 days), and 99 Lunar months.This shows that Venus, the Earth, and Moon are in a type of synchronous dance. Venus completes 5 conjunction dances, each one different in appearance, every 8 years. Then it repeats itself – the same dance occurs on the same date 8 years later (within two days)! Even the phase of the Moon is the same. Can we find links to this in our astrological predictions??Venus is the only planet (except Uranus and Pluto) which rotates on its axis in the opposite direction of the Earth. Here, the Sun rises in the west and sets in the east!During an evening or morning apparition, Venus is visible for about 260 days. This length of time is the same as human gestation. On top of this, during each apparition, Venus appears to emerge from the sun, then return to the sun – a type of birth and death cycle that was noticed by many cultures throughout the world.It seems Mayan based their calendar on the movements of Venus.260 days x 365 days = 18,980 days --- exactly 52 years! This period is one " Calendar Round " in Mayan culture.The Birth and Death saga of Venus was noticed by our ancient sages and it was aptly called Bhor ka Tara. (is there a link here why sukracharya has his original name usanasa), It was also noticed by Europeans and " Lucifer " was the name given to Venus by the Romans as the morning star. Lucifer means " Bringer of Light. " While trying to understand the Bhor ka Taara, may Shukracharya bless us with inner wisdom and knowledge…. even if not the sanjeevni vidya… in any case, who would like to live for ever on this planet now.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Dear friends, " It was also noticed by Europeans and " Lucifer " was the name given to Venus by the Romans as the morning star. Lucifer means " Bringer of Light. " Yes, after some time, Shukra became Daitya Guru in India & Lucifer became Satanic in Europe !!!!. What a change ... probably our perception changed by religious ideology prevalent at that point of time ?! regards chakraborty neelam gupta [neelamgupta07] Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:26 PM Re: Re: sukra graha (sukracharya) Dear Group, Pandit ji's mail about Shukracharya has given some insights into the behaviour of the planet which we might use to understand its various manifestations. Though in its elements Venus is male form and signifies semen and virility, but assumes a female adornment in practice, when it becomes beauty, grace, ornaments and finer sensibilities. To appease venus for marriage, we worship shiva, but venus itself is shakti roop. And in total becomes a symbol of unity of male and female as in marriage. There are many interesting astronomical facts also which connect well to our astrological understanding of the planet. We can only marvel at the profound understanding of our sages Venus has a very long day, equal to 243 Earth days! Stranger still is the fact that a day on Venus is longer than its year! It's orbital period around the Sun is only 224 days, exactly 5/8 of the Earth's year. Venus takes 584 days to catch up between conjunctions. Venus appears to move in elaborate loops and dips during each apparition. The 584 days includes one complete morning star and evening star apparition. Notice: 5 x 584 days = 2920 days, 8 x 365 days = 2920 days, 99 x 29.5 days = 2920 days Thus 5 conjunctions of Venus equals 8 Earth years (+ 2 days), and 99 Lunar months. This shows that Venus, the Earth, and Moon are in a type of synchronous dance. Venus completes 5 conjunction dances, each one different in appearance, every 8 years. Then it repeats itself – the same dance occurs on the same date 8 years later (within two days)! Even the phase of the Moon is the same. Can we find links to this in our astrological predictions?? Venus is the only planet (except Uranus and Pluto) which rotates on its axis in the opposite direction of the Earth. Here, the Sun rises in the west and sets in the east! During an evening or morning apparition, Venus is visible for about 260 days. This length of time is the same as human gestation. On top of this, during each apparition, Venus appears to emerge from the sun, then return to the sun – a type of birth and death cycle that was noticed by many cultures throughout the world. It seems Mayan based their calendar on the movements of Venus. 260 days x 365 days = 18,980 days --- exactly 52 years! This period is one " Calendar Round " in Mayan culture. The Birth and Death saga of Venus was noticed by our ancient sages and it was aptly called Bhor ka Tara. (is there a link here why sukracharya has his original name usanasa), It was also noticed by Europeans and " Lucifer " was the name given to Venus by the Romans as the morning star. Lucifer means " Bringer of Light. " While trying to understand the Bhor ka Taara, may Shukracharya bless us with inner wisdom and knowledge…. even if not the sanjeevni vidya… in any case, who would like to live for ever on this planet now. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Dear Neelam ji, That was a beautiful mail. Mails after mail this thread is becoming more and more informative! Dear Chakraborty ji, The Source of light are always projected as darkness by the later day dark forces - it is just natural and happened in history always; Sukra being projected as Sukracharya (The guiding bright light) becoming Daitya guru (by aryans) and Lucifer (Bringer of Light) being projected as Satanic (by European christens) are no exception. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear friends,> > > "It was also noticed by Europeans and "Lucifer" was the name given to> Venus by the Romans as the morning star. Lucifer means "Bringer of Light."> > > Yes, after some time, Shukra became Daitya Guru in India & > Lucifer became Satanic in Europe !!!!.> > What a change ... probably our perception changed by religious> ideology prevalent at that point of time ?!> > regards> > chakraborty> > > > neelam gupta [neelamgupta07]> Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:26 PM> > Re: Re: sukra graha (sukracharya)> > Dear Group,> > Pandit ji's mail about Shukracharya has given some insights into the> behaviour of the planet which we might use to understand its various> manifestations.> > Though in its elements Venus is male form and signifies semen and virility,> but assumes a female adornment in practice, when it becomes beauty, grace,> ornaments and finer sensibilities. To appease venus for marriage, we worship> shiva, but venus itself is shakti roop. And in total becomes a symbol of> unity of male and female as in marriage.> > There are many interesting astronomical facts also which connect well to our> astrological understanding of the planet. We can only marvel at the profound> understanding of our sages> > Venus has a very long day, equal to 243 Earth days! Stranger still is the> fact that a day on Venus is longer than its year! It's orbital period around> the Sun is only 224 days, exactly 5/8 of the Earth's year.> > Venus takes 584 days to catch up between conjunctions. Venus appears to move> in elaborate loops and dips during each apparition. The 584 days includes> one complete morning star and evening star apparition.> > Notice:> 5 x 584 days = 2920 days,> 8 x 365 days = 2920 days,> 99 x 29.5 days = 2920 days> > Thus 5 conjunctions of Venus equals 8 Earth years (+ 2 days), and 99 Lunar> months.> > This shows that Venus, the Earth, and Moon are in a type of synchronous> dance. Venus completes 5 conjunction dances, each one different in> appearance, every 8 years. Then it repeats itself ? the same dance occurs on> the same date 8 years later (within two days)! Even the phase of the Moon is> the same. Can we find links to this in our astrological predictions??> > Venus is the only planet (except Uranus and Pluto) which rotates on its axis> in the opposite direction of the Earth. Here, the Sun rises in the west and> sets in the east!> > During an evening or morning apparition, Venus is visible for about 260> days. This length of time is the same as human gestation. On top of this,> during each apparition, Venus appears to emerge from the sun, then return to> the sun ? a type of birth and death cycle that was noticed by many cultures> throughout the world.> > It seems Mayan based their calendar on the movements of Venus.> 260 days x 365 days = 18,980 days --- exactly 52 years! This period is one> "Calendar Round" in Mayan culture.> > The Birth and Death saga of Venus was noticed by our ancient sages and it> was aptly called Bhor ka Tara. (is there a link here why sukracharya has his> original name usanasa), It was also noticed by Europeans and "Lucifer" was> the name given to Venus by the Romans as the morning star. Lucifer means> "Bringer of Light."> > While trying to understand the Bhor ka Taara, may Shukracharya bless us with> inner wisdom and knowledge?. even if not the sanjeevni vidya? in any case,> who would like to live for ever on this planet now.> > Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Dear Sreenadh-ji, Somehow your description of Aryan /Christian and Dark forces seems too strong. Shukra was acceptable to us in past. When the Deva-daitya rift started, and we took different paths, then the problem started. Bhrigu people were Fire worshippers .. may mean Persian. The ancient Mayan (who might had some connection with Naga people) also worshipped Shukra. We took to follow Jupiter. And description changed. Church had problem with villagers.. their gods (pagan)... their symbols (Venus)...the philosophy of enjoyment .. Entymologically, Pagan might had some connection to Bhagawan. So, the Venus was denigarted...connected to Satan. It is only people who deicdes what to call what. Arya means noble to some.. but the word "oorya" (same root) means slave in Finno-Urgic language. Rakshasa means something abhorable to us..but probably it was meant guard "Rakshak" of water. regards chakraborty Sreenadh [sreesog]Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: sukra graha (sukracharya) Dear Neelam ji, That was a beautiful mail. Mails after mail this thread is becoming more and more informative! Dear Chakraborty ji, The Source of light are always projected as darkness by the later day dark forces - it is just natural and happened in history always; Sukra being projected as Sukracharya (The guiding bright light) becoming Daitya guru (by aryans) and Lucifer (Bringer of Light) being projected as Satanic (by European christens) are no exception. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear friends,> > > "It was also noticed by Europeans and "Lucifer" was the name given to> Venus by the Romans as the morning star. Lucifer means "Bringer of Light."> > > Yes, after some time, Shukra became Daitya Guru in India & > Lucifer became Satanic in Europe !!!!.> > What a change ... probably our perception changed by religious> ideology prevalent at that point of time ?!> > regards> > chakraborty> > > > neelam gupta [neelamgupta07]> Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:26 PM> > Re: Re: sukra graha (sukracharya)> > Dear Group,> > Pandit ji's mail about Shukracharya has given some insights into the> behaviour of the planet which we might use to understand its various> manifestations.> > Though in its elements Venus is male form and signifies semen and virility,> but assumes a female adornment in practice, when it becomes beauty, grace,> ornaments and finer sensibilities. To appease venus for marriage, we worship> shiva, but venus itself is shakti roop. And in total becomes a symbol of> unity of male and female as in marriage.> > There are many interesting astronomical facts also which connect well to our> astrological understanding of the planet. We can only marvel at the profound> understanding of our sages> > Venus has a very long day, equal to 243 Earth days! Stranger still is the> fact that a day on Venus is longer than its year! It's orbital period around> the Sun is only 224 days, exactly 5/8 of the Earth's year.> > Venus takes 584 days to catch up between conjunctions. Venus appears to move> in elaborate loops and dips during each apparition. The 584 days includes> one complete morning star and evening star apparition.> > Notice:> 5 x 584 days = 2920 days,> 8 x 365 days = 2920 days,> 99 x 29.5 days = 2920 days> > Thus 5 conjunctions of Venus equals 8 Earth years (+ 2 days), and 99 Lunar> months.> > This shows that Venus, the Earth, and Moon are in a type of synchronous> dance. Venus completes 5 conjunction dances, each one different in> appearance, every 8 years. Then it repeats itself ? the same dance occurs on> the same date 8 years later (within two days)! Even the phase of the Moon is> the same. Can we find links to this in our astrological predictions??> > Venus is the only planet (except Uranus and Pluto) which rotates on its axis> in the opposite direction of the Earth. Here, the Sun rises in the west and> sets in the east!> > During an evening or morning apparition, Venus is visible for about 260> days. This length of time is the same as human gestation. On top of this,> during each apparition, Venus appears to emerge from the sun, then return to> the sun ? a type of birth and death cycle that was noticed by many cultures> throughout the world.> > It seems Mayan based their calendar on the movements of Venus.> 260 days x 365 days = 18,980 days --- exactly 52 years! This period is one> "Calendar Round" in Mayan culture.> > The Birth and Death saga of Venus was noticed by our ancient sages and it> was aptly called Bhor ka Tara. (is there a link here why sukracharya has his> original name usanasa), It was also noticed by Europeans and "Lucifer" was> the name given to Venus by the Romans as the morning star. Lucifer means> "Bringer of Light."> > While trying to understand the Bhor ka Taara, may Shukracharya bless us with> inner wisdom and knowledge?. even if not the sanjeevni vidya? in any case,> who would like to live for ever on this planet now.> > Regards> Neelam> This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Dear Chakraborty ji, That was much informative! Thanks. //It is only people who deicdes what to call what. Arya means noble to some.. but the word "oorya" (same root) means slave in Finno-Urgic language. Rakshasa means something abhorable to us..but probably it was meant guard "Rakshak" of water// It is fun to note that - * Phonecian (Finnish?) people were called "Pani" (Slaves) by Vedic aryans. & * Aryans were called "Oorya" (Slaves) by Finno-Urgic people. Tail Piece: I said: I am the lord in my land and you are my slave. He said: You are my slave in my land I am the lord. My doubt: Was there any difference between you and me?! Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh-ji,> > Somehow your description of Aryan /Christian and Dark forces> seems too strong.> > Shukra was acceptable to us in past. When the Deva-daitya rift> started, and we took different paths, then the problem started.> Bhrigu people were Fire worshippers .. may mean Persian.> The ancient Mayan (who might had some connection with Naga people)> also worshipped Shukra. We took to follow Jupiter. And > description changed.> > Church had problem with villagers.. their gods (pagan)...> their symbols (Venus)...the philosophy of enjoyment ..> Entymologically, Pagan might had some connection to Bhagawan.> > So, the Venus was denigarted...connected to Satan.> > It is only people who deicdes what to call what. Arya means> noble to some.. but the word "oorya" (same root) means slave> in Finno-Urgic language. Rakshasa means something abhorable> to us..but probably it was meant guard "Rakshak" of water. > > regards> > chakraborty> > > Sreenadh [sreesog]> Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:34 PM> > Re: sukra graha (sukracharya)> > > > > Dear Neelam ji,> That was a beautiful mail. Mails after mail this thread is becoming more> and more informative! > Dear Chakraborty ji,> The Source of light are always projected as darkness by the later day> dark forces - it is just natural and happened in history always; Sukra being> projected as Sukracharya (The guiding bright light) becoming Daitya guru (by> aryans) and Lucifer (Bringer of Light) being projected as Satanic (by> European christens) are no exception. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> , "Chakraborty, PL"> CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Dear friends,> > > > > > "It was also noticed by Europeans and "Lucifer" was the name given to> > Venus by the Romans as the morning star. Lucifer means "Bringer of Light."> > > > > > Yes, after some time, Shukra became Daitya Guru in India & > > Lucifer became Satanic in Europe !!!!.> > > > What a change ... probably our perception changed by religious> > ideology prevalent at that point of time ?!> > > > regards> > > > chakraborty> > > > > > > > neelam gupta [neelamgupta07@]> > Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:26 PM> > > > Re: Re: sukra graha (sukracharya)> > > > Dear Group,> > > > Pandit ji's mail about Shukracharya has given some insights into the> > behaviour of the planet which we might use to understand its various> > manifestations.> > > > Though in its elements Venus is male form and signifies semen and> virility,> > but assumes a female adornment in practice, when it becomes beauty, grace,> > ornaments and finer sensibilities. To appease venus for marriage, we> worship> > shiva, but venus itself is shakti roop. And in total becomes a symbol of> > unity of male and female as in marriage.> > > > There are many interesting astronomical facts also which connect well to> our> > astrological understanding of the planet. We can only marvel at the> profound> > understanding of our sages> > > > Venus has a very long day, equal to 243 Earth days! Stranger still is the> > fact that a day on Venus is longer than its year! It's orbital period> around> > the Sun is only 224 days, exactly 5/8 of the Earth's year.> > > > Venus takes 584 days to catch up between conjunctions. Venus appears to> move> > in elaborate loops and dips during each apparition. The 584 days includes> > one complete morning star and evening star apparition.> > > > Notice:> > 5 x 584 days = 2920 days,> > 8 x 365 days = 2920 days,> > 99 x 29.5 days = 2920 days> > > > Thus 5 conjunctions of Venus equals 8 Earth years (+ 2 days), and 99 Lunar> > months.> > > > This shows that Venus, the Earth, and Moon are in a type of synchronous> > dance. Venus completes 5 conjunction dances, each one different in> > appearance, every 8 years. Then it repeats itself ? the same dance occurs> on> > the same date 8 years later (within two days)! Even the phase of the Moon> is> > the same. Can we find links to this in our astrological predictions??> > > > Venus is the only planet (except Uranus and Pluto) which rotates on its> axis> > in the opposite direction of the Earth. Here, the Sun rises in the west> and> > sets in the east!> > > > During an evening or morning apparition, Venus is visible for about 260> > days. This length of time is the same as human gestation. On top of this,> > during each apparition, Venus appears to emerge from the sun, then return> to> > the sun ? a type of birth and death cycle that was noticed by many> cultures> > throughout the world.> > > > It seems Mayan based their calendar on the movements of Venus.> > 260 days x 365 days = 18,980 days --- exactly 52 years! This period is one> > "Calendar Round" in Mayan culture.> > > > The Birth and Death saga of Venus was noticed by our ancient sages and it> > was aptly called Bhor ka Tara. (is there a link here why sukracharya has> his> > original name usanasa), It was also noticed by Europeans and "Lucifer" was> > the name given to Venus by the Romans as the morning star. Lucifer means> > "Bringer of Light."> > > > While trying to understand the Bhor ka Taara, may Shukracharya bless us> with> > inner wisdom and knowledge?. even if not the sanjeevni vidya? in any case,> > who would like to live for ever on this planet now.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> >> > > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Dear Sreenadh-ji, You really summed up the topic in TAIL PIECE. Probably the rule of might is right echoes everywhere. We may call that crude and resort to euphemisms like "Veerbhogya Vasundhara" or "Force Majeure".. but it remains same. regards chakraborty PS ... I remember once you talked of an Ayurvedic Doctor in Kerala as curing Cancers. If that is no trouble..could you send me the details offline.. my network connectivity is really bothersome. regards chakraborty Sreenadh [sreesog]Tuesday, October 21, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: Re: sukra graha (sukracharya) Dear Chakraborty ji, That was much informative! Thanks. //It is only people who deicdes what to call what. Arya means noble to some.. but the word "oorya" (same root) means slave in Finno-Urgic language. Rakshasa means something abhorable to us..but probably it was meant guard "Rakshak" of water// It is fun to note that - * Phonecian (Finnish?) people were called "Pani" (Slaves) by Vedic aryans. & * Aryans were called "Oorya" (Slaves) by Finno-Urgic people. Tail Piece: I said: I am the lord in my land and you are my slave. He said: You are my slave in my land I am the lord. My doubt: Was there any difference between you and me?! Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh-ji,> > Somehow your description of Aryan /Christian and Dark forces> seems too strong.> > Shukra was acceptable to us in past. When the Deva-daitya rift> started, and we took different paths, then the problem started.> Bhrigu people were Fire worshippers .. may mean Persian.> The ancient Mayan (who might had some connection with Naga people)> also worshipped Shukra. We took to follow Jupiter. And > description changed.> > Church had problem with villagers.. their gods (pagan)...> their symbols (Venus)...the philosophy of enjoyment ..> Entymologically, Pagan might had some connection to Bhagawan.> > So, the Venus was denigarted...connected to Satan.> > It is only people who deicdes what to call what. Arya means> noble to some.. but the word "oorya" (same root) means slave> in Finno-Urgic language. Rakshasa means something abhorable> to us..but probably it was meant guard "Rakshak" of water. > > regards> > chakraborty> > > Sreenadh [sreesog]> Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:34 PM> > Re: sukra graha (sukracharya)> > > > > Dear Neelam ji,> That was a beautiful mail. Mails after mail this thread is becoming more> and more informative! > Dear Chakraborty ji,> The Source of light are always projected as darkness by the later day> dark forces - it is just natural and happened in history always; Sukra being> projected as Sukracharya (The guiding bright light) becoming Daitya guru (by> aryans) and Lucifer (Bringer of Light) being projected as Satanic (by> European christens) are no exception. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> , "Chakraborty, PL"> CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Dear friends,> > > > > > "It was also noticed by Europeans and "Lucifer" was the name given to> > Venus by the Romans as the morning star. Lucifer means "Bringer of Light."> > > > > > Yes, after some time, Shukra became Daitya Guru in India & > > Lucifer became Satanic in Europe !!!!.> > > > What a change ... probably our perception changed by religious> > ideology prevalent at that point of time ?!> > > > regards> > > > chakraborty> > > > > > > > neelam gupta [neelamgupta07@]> > Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:26 PM> > > > Re: Re: sukra graha (sukracharya)> > > > Dear Group,> > > > Pandit ji's mail about Shukracharya has given some insights into the> > behaviour of the planet which we might use to understand its various> > manifestations.> > > > Though in its elements Venus is male form and signifies semen and> virility,> > but assumes a female adornment in practice, when it becomes beauty, grace,> > ornaments and finer sensibilities. To appease venus for marriage, we> worship> > shiva, but venus itself is shakti roop. And in total becomes a symbol of> > unity of male and female as in marriage.> > > > There are many interesting astronomical facts also which connect well to> our> > astrological understanding of the planet. We can only marvel at the> profound> > understanding of our sages> > > > Venus has a very long day, equal to 243 Earth days! Stranger still is the> > fact that a day on Venus is longer than its year! It's orbital period> around> > the Sun is only 224 days, exactly 5/8 of the Earth's year.> > > > Venus takes 584 days to catch up between conjunctions. Venus appears to> move> > in elaborate loops and dips during each apparition. The 584 days includes> > one complete morning star and evening star apparition.> > > > Notice:> > 5 x 584 days = 2920 days,> > 8 x 365 days = 2920 days,> > 99 x 29.5 days = 2920 days> > > > Thus 5 conjunctions of Venus equals 8 Earth years (+ 2 days), and 99 Lunar> > months.> > > > This shows that Venus, the Earth, and Moon are in a type of synchronous> > dance. Venus completes 5 conjunction dances, each one different in> > appearance, every 8 years. Then it repeats itself ? the same dance occurs> on> > the same date 8 years later (within two days)! Even the phase of the Moon> is> > the same. Can we find links to this in our astrological predictions??> > > > Venus is the only planet (except Uranus and Pluto) which rotates on its> axis> > in the opposite direction of the Earth. Here, the Sun rises in the west> and> > sets in the east!> > > > During an evening or morning apparition, Venus is visible for about 260> > days. This length of time is the same as human gestation. On top of this,> > during each apparition, Venus appears to emerge from the sun, then return> to> > the sun ? a type of birth and death cycle that was noticed by many> cultures> > throughout the world.> > > > It seems Mayan based their calendar on the movements of Venus.> > 260 days x 365 days = 18,980 days --- exactly 52 years! This period is one> > "Calendar Round" in Mayan culture.> > > > The Birth and Death saga of Venus was noticed by our ancient sages and it> > was aptly called Bhor ka Tara. (is there a link here why sukracharya has> his> > original name usanasa), It was also noticed by Europeans and "Lucifer" was> > the name given to Venus by the Romans as the morning star. Lucifer means> > "Bringer of Light."> > > > While trying to understand the Bhor ka Taara, may Shukracharya bless us> with> > inner wisdom and knowledge?. even if not the sanjeevni vidya? in any case,> > who would like to live for ever on this planet now.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> >> > > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.> This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. 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Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Respected Neelam Ji, Pt Arjun Ji and All, It's really nice to see/read these invaluable, rich knowledge sharing by one and all here on these two Gurus Jup and Venus....!!! thanks to all and glad to read and understand.. good to read Pt Arjun ji's Mythological references as well.. Just a thought came while reading about Shukracharya..How and Why Shukracharya became ONE-EYED? is there any particular history (classical ref)..or reason behind this? Appreciate all your views.. Regards Chandu2Chill P.S: i remember in my primary schooling days one of our teacher saying Shukracharya is OneEyed Person/Guru he was explaining some story then..but i m not able to re-collect now! , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear Group, Pandit ji's mail about Shukracharya has given some insights into the behaviour of the planet which we might use to understand its various manifestations. Though in its elements Venus is male form and signifies semen and virility, but assumes a female adornment in practice, when it becomes beauty, grace, ornaments and finer sensibilities. To appease venus for marriage, we worship shiva, but venus itself is shakti roop. And in total becomes a symbol of unity of male and female as in marriage. There are many interesting astronomical facts also which connect well to our astrological understanding of the planet. We can only marvel at the profound understanding of our sages Venus has a very long day, equal to 243 Earth days! Stranger still is the fact that a day on Venus is longer than its year! It's orbital period around the Sun is only 224 days, exactly 5/8 of the Earth's year. Venus takes 584 days to catch up between conjunctions. Venus appears to move in elaborate loops and dips during each apparition. The 584 days includes one complete morning star and evening star apparition. Notice: 5 x 584 days = 2920 days, 8 x 365 days = 2920 days, 99 x 29.5 days = 2920 days Thus 5 conjunctions of Venus equals 8 Earth years (+ 2 days), and 99 Lunar months. This shows that Venus, the Earth, and Moon are in a type of synchronous dance. Venus completes 5 conjunction dances, each one different in appearance, every 8 years. Then it repeats itself – the same dance occurs on the same date 8 years later (within two days)! Even the phase of the Moon is the same. Can we find links to this in our astrological predictions?? Venus is the only planet (except Uranus and Pluto) which rotates on its axis in the opposite direction of the Earth. Here, the Sun rises in the west and sets in the east! During an evening or morning apparition, Venus is visible for about 260 days. This length of time is the same as human gestation. On top of this, during each apparition, Venus appears to emerge from the sun, then return to the sun – a type of birth and death cycle that was noticed by many cultures throughout the world. It seems Mayan based their calendar on the movements of Venus. 260 days x 365 days = 18,980 days --- exactly 52 years! This period is one " Calendar Round " in Mayan culture. The Birth and Death saga of Venus was noticed by our ancient sages and it was aptly called Bhor ka Tara. (is there a link here why sukracharya has his original name usanasa), It was also noticed by Europeans and " Lucifer " was the name given to Venus by the Romans as the morning star. Lucifer means " Bringer of Light. " While trying to understand the Bhor ka Taara, may Shukracharya bless us with inner wisdom and knowledge…. even if not the sanjeevni vidya… in any case, who would like to live for ever on this planet now. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Dear Sreenadh ji and group,//Mails after mail this thread is becoming more and more informative!//That is the MAYA of Venus… the beauty in all forms and abstracts. And we, the Mayaavis love venus. Here's some more on Shukracharya. There is a very striking and beautiful phenomenon shown by venus. I touched upon it in my earlier post, The Celestial Dance of Venus. Venus, the Earth, and Moon are in a type of synchronous dance. Venus completes 5 conjunction dances, each one different in appearance, every 8 years. Then it repeats itself – the same dance occurs on the same date 8 years later! Even the phase of the Moon is the same. Venus shows a sacred geometry in its movement in the celestial sphere. When viewed from the Earth, Venus appears to describe a pentagram, or five-petaled rose, in its highly regular cycle of retrogrades & stations. Starting with any Venus-Sun conjunction, successive conjunctions will describe a 5-pointed star, and in exactly the same fashion as if you were to draw it with a pencil on paper. I have been able to locate a weblink where you can watch a part of this awesome dance and wonder at the nature's perfect schemes. It is only sun-moon-venus in this graphic. One can imagine the tango when moon is also added with its 99 points… http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/commentaries/Pattern.html Having seen that, can we know relate it to some astrological significations. Some of the pointers are:The five conjunctions occur in different tatwas. Its conjunctions also relate to panchbhutas. The Chinese cultures refer to the planet as the metal star based on the Five Elements. At every alternate conjunction, venus is retrograde. The pattern of movement of venus around sun, in front and behind has a meaning for natal chart and transit. Successive conjunctions of Venus plot the points of a pentagram around the Sun every eight years, returning to its starting point after a forty year cycle can find use in predictions.It will be nice if members can think aloud on these points.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Dear Chanduchill ji,//Just a thought came while reading about Shukracharya. How and Why Shukracharya became ONE-EYED? is there any particular history (classical ref)..or reason behind this?// I do not think that Bhrigu is one-eyed. But the sage is said to have an extra eye in the sole of his foot, which gave him special powers. This eye is said to have been removed by Vishnu. But with he does not become one-eyed. This comes in the last part of the famous story of Bhrigu in which Narada askes him to see who is the best among the trinity. It goes like this…At Vaikuntam, Lord Vishnu was reposing on Adisesha with Sri Mahalakshmi in service at His feet. Finding that Lord Vishnu also did not notice him, the sage was infuriated and kicked the Lord on His chest, the place where Mahalakshmi resides. At once, Lord Vishnu hastened to apologise to the angry sage and pressed his feet to allay the pain caused to Bhrigu's leg. In doing so the Lord removed the eye in the foot of the sage, stripping of his special powers. There upon, the sage concluded that Lord Vishnu was the most supreme of the trimurthis and told the rishis the same.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Dear Chandu 2 Chill, read the story of Vaman avtaar , to know the answer for your query. regards/Bhaskar. , " Chandu2chill " <nanna_id2006 wrote: > > Respected Neelam Ji, Pt Arjun Ji and All, > > It's really nice to see/read these invaluable, rich knowledge sharing > by one and all here on these two Gurus Jup and Venus....!!! thanks to > all and glad to read and understand.. > > good to read Pt Arjun ji's Mythological references as well.. > > Just a thought came while reading about Shukracharya..How and Why > Shukracharya became ONE-EYED? is there any particular history > (classical ref)..or reason behind this? > > Appreciate all your views.. > > Regards > > Chandu2Chill > > P.S: i remember in my primary schooling days one of our teacher > saying Shukracharya is OneEyed Person/Guru he was explaining some > story then..but i m not able to re-collect now! > > , " neelam gupta " > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > Dear Group, > > Pandit ji's mail about Shukracharya has given some insights into the > behaviour of the planet which we might use to understand its various > manifestations. > > Though in its elements Venus is male form and signifies semen and > virility, but assumes a female adornment in practice, when it becomes > beauty, grace, ornaments and finer sensibilities. To appease venus > for marriage, we worship shiva, but venus itself is shakti roop. And > in total becomes a symbol of unity of male and female as in marriage. > > There are many interesting astronomical facts also which connect well > to our astrological understanding of the planet. We can only marvel > at the profound understanding of our sages > > Venus has a very long day, equal to 243 Earth days! Stranger still is > the fact that a day on Venus is longer than its year! It's orbital > period around the Sun is only 224 days, exactly 5/8 of the Earth's > year. > > Venus takes 584 days to catch up between conjunctions. Venus appears > to move in elaborate loops and dips during each apparition. The 584 > days includes one complete morning star and evening star apparition. > > Notice: > 5 x 584 days = 2920 days, > 8 x 365 days = 2920 days, > 99 x 29.5 days = 2920 days > > Thus 5 conjunctions of Venus equals 8 Earth years (+ 2 days), and 99 > Lunar months. > > This shows that Venus, the Earth, and Moon are in a type of > synchronous dance. Venus completes 5 conjunction dances, each one > different in appearance, every 8 years. Then it repeats itself – the > same dance occurs on the same date 8 years later (within two days)! > Even the phase of the Moon is the same. Can we find links to this in > our astrological predictions?? > > Venus is the only planet (except Uranus and Pluto) which rotates on > its axis in the opposite direction of the Earth. Here, the Sun rises > in the west and sets in the east! > > During an evening or morning apparition, Venus is visible for about > 260 days. This length of time is the same as human gestation. On top > of this, during each apparition, Venus appears to emerge from the > sun, then return to the sun – a type of birth and death cycle that > was noticed by many cultures throughout the world. > > It seems Mayan based their calendar on the movements of Venus. > 260 days x 365 days = 18,980 days --- exactly 52 years! This period > is one " Calendar Round " in Mayan culture. > > The Birth and Death saga of Venus was noticed by our ancient sages > and it was aptly called Bhor ka Tara. (is there a link here why > sukracharya has his original name usanasa), It was also noticed by > Europeans and " Lucifer " was the name given to Venus by the Romans as > the morning star. Lucifer means " Bringer of Light. " > > While trying to understand the Bhor ka Taara, may Shukracharya bless > us with inner wisdom and knowledge…. even if not the sanjeevni vidya… > in any case, who would like to live for ever on this planet now. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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