WHY SO MUCH MISPLACED FRUSTRATION, FRIENDS?

[Guest guest]

Sir,

 

Since this is a simple question to all I share some views. I have

been a silent reader on this forum for sometime.

 

Any nativity that approaches the astrologer does so in full

faith.Mostly the faith stems from personal grief that could be

related or not and not from trust unless the astrologer is famous or

his prediction/remedy has worked.

 

Both Astrologer and Nativity do realise that for trust and remedy to

work it requires time and a continous interaction/effort and then the

astrologer becomes a guide/guru/parent and the nativity his child.But

there have been situations when the nativity connects with the

astrologer even before..call it trust or faith or destiny.

 

However such is the nature of today's world that even a simple act of

charity is deemed as an effort and is doubted..(NOT).

There is no fault with the forums. How can that be when there are

many who have been blessed with such free readings and there are many

astrologers who continue to provide free readings inspite of their

own problems.It is actually the greatness of the astrologers to

continue providing help and support.

 

For the nativities for whom the reading doesnt help they will keep

going from one astrologer to another...cyber or not...after all it is

all about human behavior and experiences...and we all are indeed

humans.

 

Regards

Ariam

 

 

Regards

Ariam

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr.Rohinirajan/  Members:

 

You get free predictions in TV in general forms and also in magazines and

dailies.  That will not mean that millions born in that star will have the same

results to be experienced.  When it is so, 'samples' will not be the answer for

'full' treatment' of a sickness or 'complete' meals. For this you have to Pay.

As Mr. Bhaskar put it, NOTHING IN THIS WORLD IS DELIVERED FREE. Even freedom,

eduction, medical attention and a repair for an electrical fitting etc.  People

(experts) reach a 'height' in all fields after years of hard work, dedication

and involvement under 'sacrifices'.  It is not acquired by them FREE either. If

someone is satisfied with 'samples' given FREE, let them be so.  But it will not

give clear picture, particularly without obtaining specialist analysis. A Doctor

takes lots of screening/tests before arriving at the nature of sickness.  He, of

course, will charge his fees (even when the patient dies).

 

The forums are formed for discussion and 'exchange of expertise' in the subject

and sharing of knowledge among members.  Certainly it is not a 'battle ground'

for two or more.  Sometimes, it becomes a 'stead fast hold' on 'opinions' by

some and often two learned people exchange 'words'. These do happen in a house,

in a meeting, in a society, in a religion and so on.  These are part of 'growth'

and 'understanding'.  This could NOT be completely put an end to 'tomorrow'.  It

was there for generations and it will continue.  Well! we request that 'these'

must be with in the commonly marked 'Laxman Rekha'.  But sometimes this never

happen and a 'spill' is there from the 'vessel' of knowledge, where obviously

the vessel is full to the 'brim'.

 

In Forums, as I said earlier, will discuss more 'peculiar' and 'unique' nature

of a problem to trace under 'accepted rules of Astrology'.  Members of all

forums should understand this.  They can pick an astrologer, pay him his fees

and know in depth on his birth chart to arrive answers for his questions/

doubts.

 

No point in accusing professionals.  They have a family. They are humans. They

still add to their knowledge in various segments of the subject, investing in

books, attending seminars, traveling to learn and so on.  Please be considerate

and do not jump to pass many unnecessary comments.  All are welcome.  All are to

be disciplined.  All should learn to be calm and considerate.  All should be

explicit.  All should value knowledge and pay those who spend time energy and

give all they know for one, in demand.

 

God bless all.

 

A.V.Pathi,                                      

North Carolina, 27514, USA

001-919-960-3833

Please contact me in ID kountinya29)All private readings are

chargeable.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

 

Monday, November 10, 2008 9:45:05 PM

WHY SO MUCH MISPLACED FRUSTRATION, FRIENDS?

 

 

I will be the FALL GUY, yet again!

 

Over the past few (too many!) years I have been witnessing this trend

and finally today I dare to ask in my candid manner, perhaps at my

peril again.

 

I notice this growing trend over the past few years:

 

Nativities are getting frustrated increasingly. ..

As are astrologers ...!

 

For different reasons but inevitably they end up turning upon one

another and yet another 'fight' ensues!

 

Sometimes it almost feels as if by some karmic twist the nativities

and astrologers turn into enemies or at least enact such a maya-play!

 

SIMPLE QUESTION TO ALL:

 

How can a nativity seek guidance if s/he thinks of astrologer as a

challenger/assailan t/enemy?

 

& How can a jyotishi give guidance if s/he is feeling untrusted,

questioned and even feeling as if being taken for a ride?

 

Is it the forum that is at fault or faith is missing from the chosen

format of FREE internet readings and samplers if that is what is the

case?

 

I have no answers or wisdom to give on this matter. I am a student of

human experience and human behaviour and just trying to understand

what I observe.

 

Perhaps it is kali yuga or whatever!

 

Then why do we not accept it? Nativities and Astrologers and let us

neither give nor have unrealistic expectations!

 

And if venting is what is the motive then perhaps jyotish forums are

not the right place to do so. For both the nativities and the

astrologers.

 

Once worldliness enters the temple, gods leave such a building for

that is what the temple is then reduced too! Once the Divinity

departs.

 

Baqi sab janta janardhaan ki marzi!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for taking the time to share your views. By the way, the name

is RohiniraNjan. :-)

 

RR

 

, venkatachala pathi

<pathiav wrote:

>

> Dear Mr.Rohinirajan/  Members:

>

> You get free predictions in TV in general forms and also in

magazines and dailies.  That will not mean that millions born in that

star will have the same results to be experienced.  When it is

so, 'samples' will not be the answer for 'full' treatment' of a

sickness or 'complete' meals. For this you have to Pay. As Mr.

Bhaskar put it, NOTHING IN THIS WORLD IS DELIVERED FREE. Even

freedom, eduction, medical attention and a repair for an electrical

fitting etc.  People (experts) reach a 'height' in all fields after

years of hard work, dedication and involvement under 'sacrifices'. 

It is not acquired by them FREE either. If someone is satisfied

with 'samples' given FREE, let them be so.  But it will not give

clear picture, particularly without obtaining specialist analysis. A

Doctor takes lots of screening/tests before arriving at the nature of

sickness.  He, of course, will charge his fees (even when the patient

dies).

>

> The forums are formed for discussion and 'exchange of expertise' in

the subject and sharing of knowledge among members.  Certainly it is

not a 'battle ground' for two or more.  Sometimes, it becomes

a 'stead fast hold' on 'opinions' by some and often two learned

people exchange 'words'. These do happen in a house, in a meeting, in

a society, in a religion and so on.  These are part of 'growth'

and 'understanding'.  This could NOT be completely put an end

to 'tomorrow'.  It was there for generations and it will continue. 

Well! we request that 'these' must be with in the commonly

marked 'Laxman Rekha'.  But sometimes this never happen and a 'spill'

is there from the 'vessel' of knowledge, where obviously the vessel

is full to the 'brim'.

>

> In Forums, as I said earlier, will discuss more 'peculiar'

and 'unique' nature of a problem to trace under 'accepted rules of

Astrology'.  Members of all forums should understand this.  They can

pick an astrologer, pay him his fees and know in depth on his birth

chart to arrive answers for his questions/ doubts.

>

> No point in accusing professionals.  They have a family. They are

humans. They still add to their knowledge in various segments of the

subject, investing in books, attending seminars, traveling to

learn and so on.  Please be considerate and do not jump to pass many

unnecessary comments.  All are welcome.  All are to be disciplined. 

All should learn to be calm and considerate.  All should be

explicit.  All should value knowledge and pay those who spend time

energy and give all they know for one, in demand.

>

> God bless all.

>  

> A.V.Pathi,                                      

> North Carolina, 27514, USA

> 001-919-960-3833

> Please contact me in ID kountinya29)All private readings are

chargeable.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

>

> Monday, November 10, 2008 9:45:05 PM

> WHY SO MUCH MISPLACED FRUSTRATION, FRIENDS?

>

>

> I will be the FALL GUY, yet again!

>

> Over the past few (too many!) years I have been witnessing this

trend

> and finally today I dare to ask in my candid manner, perhaps at my

> peril again.

>

> I notice this growing trend over the past few years:

>

> Nativities are getting frustrated increasingly. ..

> As are astrologers ...!

>

> For different reasons but inevitably they end up turning upon one

> another and yet another 'fight' ensues!

>

> Sometimes it almost feels as if by some karmic twist the nativities

> and astrologers turn into enemies or at least enact such a maya-

play!

>

> SIMPLE QUESTION TO ALL:

>

> How can a nativity seek guidance if s/he thinks of astrologer as a

> challenger/assailan t/enemy?

>

> & How can a jyotishi give guidance if s/he is feeling untrusted,

> questioned and even feeling as if being taken for a ride?

>

> Is it the forum that is at fault or faith is missing from the

chosen

> format of FREE internet readings and samplers if that is what is

the

> case?

>

> I have no answers or wisdom to give on this matter. I am a student

of

> human experience and human behaviour and just trying to understand

> what I observe.

>

> Perhaps it is kali yuga or whatever!

>

> Then why do we not accept it? Nativities and Astrologers and let us

> neither give nor have unrealistic expectations!

>

> And if venting is what is the motive then perhaps jyotish forums

are

> not the right place to do so. For both the nativities and the

> astrologers.

>

> Once worldliness enters the temple, gods leave such a building for

> that is what the temple is then reduced too! Once the Divinity

> departs.

>

> Baqi sab janta janardhaan ki marzi!

>

> Rohiniranjan

 

[Guest guest]

Ariam,

 

Thanks for your response. You have rightly described a part of the

total picture, the ideal part of the picture but not necessarily the

dominant or common part. Ideal because that is how it should be but

often is not!

 

When postings are made on this thorny topic of " free readings " I have

noticed that due to the impersonal and somewhat hidden nature of

internet conversations and internet personae, a very different

personality emerges. This has been commented by other individuals too

for instance when the same individual speaks directly via telephone

or in person. Even in workplaces people have found differences in the

persona of their colleagues when they write emails as opposed to

interacting in person. Those who were friends before internet and

email revolution became a reality find obvious differences in how an

individual was seen or experienced as before the email era and after

the email era.

 

Somehow, the email medium tends to unleash angry tones which would

normally be suppressed in more direct communication modes. Either

that or perhaps the para and metaverbal content (larger proportion of

communication exchange) is not conveyed and only verbal comes across

during internet communications and easily misinterpreted.

 

All of this gets added on to other stuff when many of the internet

battles rage.

 

To cut to the chase, each astrologer would have to determine for

him/herself how they wish to conduct their work. Free, paid, or a

mixture of free and paid. It is futile for anyone to lay guilt-trips

on them, particularly not those who seek free readings for whatever

reason!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " ariamsoul " <ariamsoul

wrote:

>

> Sir,

>

> Since this is a simple question to all I share some views. I have

> been a silent reader on this forum for sometime.

>

> Any nativity that approaches the astrologer does so in full

> faith.Mostly the faith stems from personal grief that could be

> related or not and not from trust unless the astrologer is famous

or

> his prediction/remedy has worked.

>

> Both Astrologer and Nativity do realise that for trust and remedy

to

> work it requires time and a continous interaction/effort and then

the

> astrologer becomes a guide/guru/parent and the nativity his

child.But

> there have been situations when the nativity connects with the

> astrologer even before..call it trust or faith or destiny.

>

> However such is the nature of today's world that even a simple act

of

> charity is deemed as an effort and is doubted..(NOT).

> There is no fault with the forums. How can that be when there are

> many who have been blessed with such free readings and there are

many

> astrologers who continue to provide free readings inspite of their

> own problems.It is actually the greatness of the astrologers to

> continue providing help and support.

>

> For the nativities for whom the reading doesnt help they will keep

> going from one astrologer to another...cyber or not...after all it

is

> all about human behavior and experiences...and we all are indeed

> humans.

>

> Regards

> Ariam

>

>

> Regards

> Ariam

>

[Guest guest]

Sir,

I know your experiences on the net forums exceeds many. However what

confuses me is that does the email medium actually show the real

behavior of the respondent/nativities because of no formalities

involved.

 

Hence the need for moderators,disclaimers and rules and regulations

that one signs before entering the forum.

 

Regards

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Ariam,

>

> Thanks for your response. You have rightly described a part of the

> total picture, the ideal part of the picture but not necessarily

the

> dominant or common part. Ideal because that is how it should be but

> often is not!

>

> When postings are made on this thorny topic of " free readings " I

have

> noticed that due to the impersonal and somewhat hidden nature of

> internet conversations and internet personae, a very different

> personality emerges. This has been commented by other individuals

too

> for instance when the same individual speaks directly via telephone

> or in person. Even in workplaces people have found differences in

the

> persona of their colleagues when they write emails as opposed to

> interacting in person. Those who were friends before internet and

> email revolution became a reality find obvious differences in how

an

> individual was seen or experienced as before the email era and

after

> the email era.

>

> Somehow, the email medium tends to unleash angry tones which would

> normally be suppressed in more direct communication modes. Either

> that or perhaps the para and metaverbal content (larger proportion

of

> communication exchange) is not conveyed and only verbal comes

across

> during internet communications and easily misinterpreted.

>

> All of this gets added on to other stuff when many of the internet

> battles rage.

>

> To cut to the chase, each astrologer would have to determine for

> him/herself how they wish to conduct their work. Free, paid, or a

> mixture of free and paid. It is futile for anyone to lay guilt-

trips

> on them, particularly not those who seek free readings for whatever

> reason!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " ariamsoul " <ariamsoul@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> >

> > Since this is a simple question to all I share some views. I have

> > been a silent reader on this forum for sometime.

> >

> > Any nativity that approaches the astrologer does so in full

> > faith.Mostly the faith stems from personal grief that could be

> > related or not and not from trust unless the astrologer is famous

> or

> > his prediction/remedy has worked.

> >

> > Both Astrologer and Nativity do realise that for trust and remedy

> to

> > work it requires time and a continous interaction/effort and then

> the

> > astrologer becomes a guide/guru/parent and the nativity his

> child.But

> > there have been situations when the nativity connects with the

> > astrologer even before..call it trust or faith or destiny.

> >

> > However such is the nature of today's world that even a simple

act

> of

> > charity is deemed as an effort and is doubted..(NOT).

> > There is no fault with the forums. How can that be when there are

> > many who have been blessed with such free readings and there are

> many

> > astrologers who continue to provide free readings inspite of

their

> > own problems.It is actually the greatness of the astrologers to

> > continue providing help and support.

> >

> > For the nativities for whom the reading doesnt help they will

keep

> > going from one astrologer to another...cyber or not...after all

it

> is

> > all about human behavior and experiences...and we all are indeed

> > humans.

> >

> > Regards

> > Ariam

> >

> >

> > Regards

> > Ariam

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Even in face to face situations there are many confounders that make

communication less than perfect. Email simply amplifies and adds more

factors that can be confusing and easy to misunderstand.

 

I am not at all questioning the need for moderators and rules etc.

But they do not improve the communications or improve the transfer of

information/thoughts between the sender and recipients. They just

make sure that lines do not get crossed chaotically. Lines of

civility and so on. Now if there were editors who could improve the

postings that may have helped the communication, but it would become

so onerous, and subjective (depending on moderators ability to

understand and figure out what the poster originally intended) that

it would be practically impossible and SLOW.

 

RR

 

, " ariamsoul " <ariamsoul

wrote:

>

> Sir,

> I know your experiences on the net forums exceeds many. However

what

> confuses me is that does the email medium actually show the real

> behavior of the respondent/nativities because of no formalities

> involved.

>

> Hence the need for moderators,disclaimers and rules and regulations

> that one signs before entering the forum.

>

> Regards

>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Ariam,

> >

> > Thanks for your response. You have rightly described a part of

the

> > total picture, the ideal part of the picture but not necessarily

> the

> > dominant or common part. Ideal because that is how it should be

but

> > often is not!

> >

> > When postings are made on this thorny topic of " free readings " I

> have

> > noticed that due to the impersonal and somewhat hidden nature of

> > internet conversations and internet personae, a very different

> > personality emerges. This has been commented by other individuals

> too

> > for instance when the same individual speaks directly via

telephone

> > or in person. Even in workplaces people have found differences in

> the

> > persona of their colleagues when they write emails as opposed to

> > interacting in person. Those who were friends before internet and

> > email revolution became a reality find obvious differences in how

> an

> > individual was seen or experienced as before the email era and

> after

> > the email era.

> >

> > Somehow, the email medium tends to unleash angry tones which

would

> > normally be suppressed in more direct communication modes. Either

> > that or perhaps the para and metaverbal content (larger

proportion

> of

> > communication exchange) is not conveyed and only verbal comes

> across

> > during internet communications and easily misinterpreted.

> >

> > All of this gets added on to other stuff when many of the

internet

> > battles rage.

> >

> > To cut to the chase, each astrologer would have to determine for

> > him/herself how they wish to conduct their work. Free, paid, or a

> > mixture of free and paid. It is futile for anyone to lay guilt-

> trips

> > on them, particularly not those who seek free readings for

whatever

> > reason!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " ariamsoul " <ariamsoul@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir,

> > >

> > > Since this is a simple question to all I share some views. I

have

> > > been a silent reader on this forum for sometime.

> > >

> > > Any nativity that approaches the astrologer does so in full

> > > faith.Mostly the faith stems from personal grief that could be

> > > related or not and not from trust unless the astrologer is

famous

> > or

> > > his prediction/remedy has worked.

> > >

> > > Both Astrologer and Nativity do realise that for trust and

remedy

> > to

> > > work it requires time and a continous interaction/effort and

then

> > the

> > > astrologer becomes a guide/guru/parent and the nativity his

> > child.But

> > > there have been situations when the nativity connects with the

> > > astrologer even before..call it trust or faith or destiny.

> > >

> > > However such is the nature of today's world that even a simple

> act

> > of

> > > charity is deemed as an effort and is doubted..(NOT).

> > > There is no fault with the forums. How can that be when there

are

> > > many who have been blessed with such free readings and there

are

> > many

> > > astrologers who continue to provide free readings inspite of

> their

> > > own problems.It is actually the greatness of the astrologers to

> > > continue providing help and support.

> > >

> > > For the nativities for whom the reading doesnt help they will

> keep

> > > going from one astrologer to another...cyber or not...after all

> it

> > is

> > > all about human behavior and experiences...and we all are

indeed

> > > humans.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Ariam

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Ariam

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

So Sir,What you say is that this is the way the internet free

readings will work? Then doesnt the header of this topic become

futile except for nativities to stop and think .

 

Ariam

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Even in face to face situations there are many confounders that

make

> communication less than perfect. Email simply amplifies and adds

more

> factors that can be confusing and easy to misunderstand.

>

> I am not at all questioning the need for moderators and rules etc.

> But they do not improve the communications or improve the transfer

of

> information/thoughts between the sender and recipients. They just

> make sure that lines do not get crossed chaotically. Lines of

> civility and so on. Now if there were editors who could improve the

> postings that may have helped the communication, but it would

become

> so onerous, and subjective (depending on moderators ability to

> understand and figure out what the poster originally intended) that

> it would be practically impossible and SLOW.

>

> RR

>

> , " ariamsoul " <ariamsoul@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> > I know your experiences on the net forums exceeds many. However

> what

> > confuses me is that does the email medium actually show the real

> > behavior of the respondent/nativities because of no formalities

> > involved.

> >

> > Hence the need for moderators,disclaimers and rules and

regulations

> > that one signs before entering the forum.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Ariam,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your response. You have rightly described a part of

> the

> > > total picture, the ideal part of the picture but not

necessarily

> > the

> > > dominant or common part. Ideal because that is how it should be

> but

> > > often is not!

> > >

> > > When postings are made on this thorny topic of " free readings "

I

> > have

> > > noticed that due to the impersonal and somewhat hidden nature

of

> > > internet conversations and internet personae, a very different

> > > personality emerges. This has been commented by other

individuals

> > too

> > > for instance when the same individual speaks directly via

> telephone

> > > or in person. Even in workplaces people have found differences

in

> > the

> > > persona of their colleagues when they write emails as opposed

to

> > > interacting in person. Those who were friends before internet

and

> > > email revolution became a reality find obvious differences in

how

> > an

> > > individual was seen or experienced as before the email era and

> > after

> > > the email era.

> > >

> > > Somehow, the email medium tends to unleash angry tones which

> would

> > > normally be suppressed in more direct communication modes.

Either

> > > that or perhaps the para and metaverbal content (larger

> proportion

> > of

> > > communication exchange) is not conveyed and only verbal comes

> > across

> > > during internet communications and easily misinterpreted.

> > >

> > > All of this gets added on to other stuff when many of the

> internet

> > > battles rage.

> > >

> > > To cut to the chase, each astrologer would have to determine

for

> > > him/herself how they wish to conduct their work. Free, paid, or

a

> > > mixture of free and paid. It is futile for anyone to lay guilt-

> > trips

> > > on them, particularly not those who seek free readings for

> whatever

> > > reason!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " ariamsoul "

<ariamsoul@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Since this is a simple question to all I share some views. I

> have

> > > > been a silent reader on this forum for sometime.

> > > >

> > > > Any nativity that approaches the astrologer does so in full

> > > > faith.Mostly the faith stems from personal grief that could

be

> > > > related or not and not from trust unless the astrologer is

> famous

> > > or

> > > > his prediction/remedy has worked.

> > > >

> > > > Both Astrologer and Nativity do realise that for trust and

> remedy

> > > to

> > > > work it requires time and a continous interaction/effort and

> then

> > > the

> > > > astrologer becomes a guide/guru/parent and the nativity his

> > > child.But

> > > > there have been situations when the nativity connects with

the

> > > > astrologer even before..call it trust or faith or destiny.

> > > >

> > > > However such is the nature of today's world that even a

simple

> > act

> > > of

> > > > charity is deemed as an effort and is doubted..(NOT).

> > > > There is no fault with the forums. How can that be when there

> are

> > > > many who have been blessed with such free readings and there

> are

> > > many

> > > > astrologers who continue to provide free readings inspite of

> > their

> > > > own problems.It is actually the greatness of the astrologers

to

> > > > continue providing help and support.

> > > >

> > > > For the nativities for whom the reading doesnt help they will

> > keep

> > > > going from one astrologer to another...cyber or not...after

all

> > it

> > > is

> > > > all about human behavior and experiences...and we all are

> indeed

> > > > humans.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Ariam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards

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