WHY SO MUCH MISPLACED FRUSTRATION, FRIENDS? 11/11

[Guest guest]

Dear RRji

 

it cud be a mix of a few mixes

 

one the karmic energies of the ones in logerheads r meant to be so some old runa

anubandha

just like the ones who solve/address them r exceptt hat which side of the line

they r in =to be helped or to wait the course of their karma burnt either half

or fully before getting a timely advice or a post morton for seeing th future

better

 

may be the ones who get frustrated at this and leave it to chance/fate r in a

stronger Karmic debt so no help is sought or given

 

anyway pl don't tag me at least with wordliness etc I have raised only issues

that r logical that is by posting in too many forums, getting too many answers

can they [who r already confused, stressd] make the choice of the best reading

and benefit from them it adds to more confussion so for good or bad let them

wait the course of a few and come back after sometime than hunt all free groups

makea collection of NOTHINGNESS and blame astrologers for not having a standard

[same happens if we change our doctors isnt it their medication will differ even

if theu r classmates] and ppl won't seek too many doctors views do they as it

costs them, just as this is free it doesn't mean they can keep on asking as

many as possible only reason is the potential confusion they will face. with so

many to choose from

 

 

prashant

 

 

 

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

 

Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:15:05 AM

WHY SO MUCH MISPLACED FRUSTRATION, FRIENDS?

 

 

I will be the FALL GUY, yet again!

 

Over the past few (too many!) years I have been witnessing this trend

and finally today I dare to ask in my candid manner, perhaps at my

peril again.

 

I notice this growing trend over the past few years:

 

Nativities are getting frustrated increasingly. ..

As are astrologers ...!

 

For different reasons but inevitably they end up turning upon one

another and yet another 'fight' ensues!

 

Sometimes it almost feels as if by some karmic twist the nativities

and astrologers turn into enemies or at least enact such a maya-play!

 

SIMPLE QUESTION TO ALL:

 

How can a nativity seek guidance if s/he thinks of astrologer as a

challenger/assailan t/enemy?

 

& How can a jyotishi give guidance if s/he is feeling untrusted,

questioned and even feeling as if being taken for a ride?

 

Is it the forum that is at fault or faith is missing from the chosen

format of FREE internet readings and samplers if that is what is the

case?

 

I have no answers or wisdom to give on this matter. I am a student of

human experience and human behaviour and just trying to understand

what I observe.

 

Perhaps it is kali yuga or whatever!

 

Then why do we not accept it? Nativities and Astrologers and let us

neither give nor have unrealistic expectations!

 

And if venting is what is the motive then perhaps jyotish forums are

not the right place to do so. For both the nativities and the

astrologers.

 

Once worldliness enters the temple, gods leave such a building for

that is what the temple is then reduced too! Once the Divinity

departs.

 

Baqi sab janta janardhaan ki marzi!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Kumar ji

 

I have never mixed math with biology/human experience in this

lifetime!

 

Those who know me and read what I wrote and understood would know how

I have always kept astronomy and astrology apart and craft and

science separate :-)

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RRji

>

> it cud be a mix of a few mixes

>

> one the karmic energies of the ones in logerheads r meant to be so

some old runa anubandha

> just like the ones who solve/address them r exceptt hat which side

of the line they r in =to be helped or to wait the course of their

karma burnt either half or fully before getting a timely advice or a

post morton for seeing th future better

>

> may be the ones who get frustrated at this and leave it to

chance/fate r in a stronger Karmic debt so no help is sought or given

>

> anyway pl don't tag me at least with wordliness etc I have raised

only issues that r logical that is by posting in too many forums,

getting too many answers can they [who r already confused, stressd]

make the choice of the best reading and benefit from them it adds to

more confussion so for good or bad let them wait the course of a few

and come back after sometime than hunt all free groups makea

collection of NOTHINGNESS and blame astrologers for not having a

standard [same happens if we change our doctors isnt it their

medication will differ even if theu r classmates] and ppl won't seek

too many doctors views do they as it costs them, just as this is

free it doesn't mean they can keep on asking as many as possible

only reason is the potential confusion they will face. with so many

to choose from

>

>

> prashant

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

>

> Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:15:05 AM

> WHY SO MUCH MISPLACED FRUSTRATION, FRIENDS?

>

>

> I will be the FALL GUY, yet again!

>

> Over the past few (too many!) years I have been witnessing this

trend

> and finally today I dare to ask in my candid manner, perhaps at my

> peril again.

>

> I notice this growing trend over the past few years:

>

> Nativities are getting frustrated increasingly. ..

> As are astrologers ...!

>

> For different reasons but inevitably they end up turning upon one

> another and yet another 'fight' ensues!

>

> Sometimes it almost feels as if by some karmic twist the nativities

> and astrologers turn into enemies or at least enact such a maya-

play!

>

> SIMPLE QUESTION TO ALL:

>

> How can a nativity seek guidance if s/he thinks of astrologer as a

> challenger/assailan t/enemy?

>

> & How can a jyotishi give guidance if s/he is feeling untrusted,

> questioned and even feeling as if being taken for a ride?

>

> Is it the forum that is at fault or faith is missing from the

chosen

> format of FREE internet readings and samplers if that is what is

the

> case?

>

> I have no answers or wisdom to give on this matter. I am a student

of

> human experience and human behaviour and just trying to understand

> what I observe.

>

> Perhaps it is kali yuga or whatever!

>

> Then why do we not accept it? Nativities and Astrologers and let us

> neither give nor have unrealistic expectations!

>

> And if venting is what is the motive then perhaps jyotish forums

are

> not the right place to do so. For both the nativities and the

> astrologers.

>

> Once worldliness enters the temple, gods leave such a building for

> that is what the temple is then reduced too! Once the Divinity

> departs.

>

> Baqi sab janta janardhaan ki marzi!

>

> Rohiniranjan

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Ariam,

 

ur post is a v good one and on the right track except the last para

 

it is not a case of disappointed nativities seeking more answers pl see some

names I had posted in past too auch cases r rare and we understand them and we

do respond to them.

 

kumar rajeev, posts 3-5 copies in every group every month still is on I had

tkane him on as a spammer

 

n_nathan fromlalasya is another almost a few a yr from him in many groups

 

anil kumar reddy from K used to every fortnight in as many groups

 

Kiran [femal from UK same] the UK cases r 2 yrs old so pl see that period

 

pratosh gopi too too many groups and even abused astrologers.

 

Seema, Sridar_62 do also post often in groups but some feedback is there the way

u said

 

there too many like this this is a sample

 

 

I had given him some succesful predictions in the past and present as well.

for me feedback is itself good enough, not all see it that way.

 

I have asked ppl quote ur past experience if posted earlier as these r feedback

to the astrologers not ciritism of his failure we r not gods we r just

interpreters of Divine wisdom. we would like to be corrected if we know we went

wrong no problem with a feedback even on failed ones.

 

my focus is soley on too many advices they seek and get will they be able to use

any of them?

 

finally they will dam astrology for even their fault like that not knowing wich

is the right reading.

 

 

 

Best wishes

 

prashant

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

ariamsoul <ariamsoul

 

Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:29:44 AM

Re: WHY SO MUCH MISPLACED FRUSTRATION, FRIENDS?

 

 

Sir,

 

Since this is a simple question to all I share some views. I have

been a silent reader on this forum for sometime.

 

Any nativity that approaches the astrologer does so in full

faith.Mostly the faith stems from personal grief that could be

related or not and not from trust unless the astrologer is famous or

his prediction/remedy has worked.

 

Both Astrologer and Nativity do realise that for trust and remedy to

work it requires time and a continous interaction/ effort and then the

astrologer becomes a guide/guru/parent and the nativity his child.But

there have been situations when the nativity connects with the

astrologer even before..call it trust or faith or destiny.

 

However such is the nature of today's world that even a simple act of

charity is deemed as an effort and is doubted..(NOT) .

There is no fault with the forums. How can that be when there are

many who have been blessed with such free readings and there are many

astrologers who continue to provide free readings inspite of their

own problems.It is actually the greatness of the astrologers to

continue providing help and support.

 

For the nativities for whom the reading doesnt help they will keep

going from one astrologer to another...cyber or not...after all it is

all about human behavior and experiences. ..and we all are indeed

humans.

 

Regards

Ariam

 

Regards

Ariam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashanthji,

I think you misunderstood me I do not doubt the ability of the

astrologer for that matter the knowledge and wisdom shared by any

astrologer.

But we do realise that for anything to work it takes time be it the

remedy or the prediction.For the nativity, the time becomes a

challenge who most of the time is in the situation.Throw in couple of

more factors like health issues,financial strain and family

problems.Here comes in the human experience whether they stick to the

advice or not .....that can only said/experienced by them.It is a

human problem/experience.

 

I understand that with too many advices the nativity can go round and

round in circles but we cant do much about that and frustration is

pretty normal.

 

For the ones that really revert and follow the advices whether worked

or not...make this relationship sacred and since you have named so

many nativities that have reverted and followed it shows that this

Art is truly divine.

 

Regards

Ariam

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear Ariam,

>

> ur post is a v good one and on the right track except the last para

>

> it is not a case of disappointed nativities seeking more answers pl

see some names I had posted in past too auch cases r rare and we

understand them and we do respond to them.

>

> kumar rajeev, posts 3-5 copies in every group every month still is

on I had tkane him on as a spammer

>

> n_nathan fromlalasya is another almost a few a yr from him in many

groups

>

> anil kumar reddy from K used to every fortnight in as many groups

>

> Kiran [femal from UK same] the UK cases r 2 yrs old so pl see that

period

>

> pratosh gopi too too many groups and even abused astrologers.

>

> Seema, Sridar_62 do also post often in groups but some feedback is

there the way u said

>

> there too many like this this is a sample

>

>

> I had given him some succesful predictions in the past and present

as well.

> for me feedback is itself good enough, not all see it that way.

>

> I have asked ppl quote ur past experience if posted earlier as

these r feedback to the astrologers not ciritism of his failure we r

not gods we r just interpreters of Divine wisdom. we would like to be

corrected if we know we went wrong no problem with a feedback even on

failed ones.

>

> my focus is soley on too many advices they seek and get will they

be able to use any of them?

>

> finally they will dam astrology for even their fault like that not

knowing wich is the right reading.

>

>

>

> Best wishes

>

> prashant

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> ariamsoul <ariamsoul

>

> Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:29:44 AM

> Re: WHY SO MUCH MISPLACED FRUSTRATION, FRIENDS?

>

>

> Sir,

>

> Since this is a simple question to all I share some views. I have

> been a silent reader on this forum for sometime.

>

> Any nativity that approaches the astrologer does so in full

> faith.Mostly the faith stems from personal grief that could be

> related or not and not from trust unless the astrologer is famous

or

> his prediction/remedy has worked.

>

> Both Astrologer and Nativity do realise that for trust and remedy

to

> work it requires time and a continous interaction/ effort and then

the

> astrologer becomes a guide/guru/parent and the nativity his

child.But

> there have been situations when the nativity connects with the

> astrologer even before..call it trust or faith or destiny.

>

> However such is the nature of today's world that even a simple act

of

> charity is deemed as an effort and is doubted..(NOT) .

> There is no fault with the forums. How can that be when there are

> many who have been blessed with such free readings and there are

many

> astrologers who continue to provide free readings inspite of their

> own problems.It is actually the greatness of the astrologers to

> continue providing help and support.

>

> For the nativities for whom the reading doesnt help they will keep

> going from one astrologer to another...cyber or not...after all it

is

> all about human behavior and experiences. ..and we all are indeed

> humans.

>

> Regards

> Ariam

>

> Regards

> Ariam

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Ariam,

 

well

... ,,, we do realise that for anything to work it takes time be it the

remedy or the prediction ...//

 

this is the point I included in support of the line that posting in too many

places leads them nowhere WE CAN'T PUSH THE CLOCK FORWARD they have to wait for

the time to pass and they r free to do so after it quoting the past

incident/readings were good or bad for their planing/counsel etc.

 

I am a moderator in this forum from Apr 28 08 so after it only set all new

members to moderated to prevent fake ID;s siging up and straightway

assuming/pretending they have been a silet member for long and are posting to

express x openion

to my recollection i remember ur ID creation as a fresh one and did a check to

my suproise it is 5/11/08 so is this fair enuf to say u have been obsering for

sometime...>! unless u have had time to read a few months years of archives

[possible though]

 

as of now ur posts r in good taste so I took this effort to state this we do

oiserve members activities. as long as it is good fine.

 

 

i would like to know ifu have any astrological foundation if so PL feel free to

read, horoscope requests and any topical thread u like. more than one view is

always welcome here.

 

best wishes

 

prashant

 

 

 

________________________________

ariamsoul <ariamsoul

 

Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:12:38 AM

Re: WHY SO MUCH MISPLACED FRUSTRATION, FRIENDS? 11/11

 

 

Dear Prashanthji,

I think you misunderstood me I do not doubt the ability of the

astrologer for that matter the knowledge and wisdom shared by any

astrologer.

But we do realise that for anything to work it takes time be it the

remedy or the prediction.For the nativity, the time becomes a

challenge who most of the time is in the situation.Throw in couple of

more factors like health issues,financial strain and family

problems.Here comes in the human experience whether they stick to the

advice or not .....that can only said/experienced by them.It is a

human problem/experience.

 

I understand that with too many advices the nativity can go round and

round in circles but we cant do much about that and frustration is

pretty normal.

 

For the ones that really revert and follow the advices whether worked

or not...make this relationship sacred and since you have named so

many nativities that have reverted and followed it shows that this

Art is truly divine.

 

Regards

Ariam

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear Ariam,

>

> ur post is a v good one and on the right track except the last para

>

> it is not a case of disappointed nativities seeking more answers pl

see some names I had posted in past too auch cases r rare and we

understand them and we do respond to them.

>

> kumar rajeev, posts 3-5 copies in every group every month still is

on I had tkane him on as a spammer

>

> n_nathan fromlalasya is another almost a few a yr from him in many

groups

>

> anil kumar reddy from K used to every fortnight in as many groups

>

> Kiran [femal from UK same] the UK cases r 2 yrs old so pl see that

period

>

> pratosh gopi too too many groups and even abused astrologers.

>

> Seema, Sridar_62 do also post often in groups but some feedback is

there the way u said

>

> there too many like this this is a sample

>

>

> I had given him some succesful predictions in the past and present

as well.

> for me feedback is itself good enough, not all see it that way.

>

> I have asked ppl quote ur past experience if posted earlier as

these r feedback to the astrologers not ciritism of his failure we r

not gods we r just interpreters of Divine wisdom. we would like to be

corrected if we know we went wrong no problem with a feedback even on

failed ones.

>

> my focus is soley on too many advices they seek and get will they

be able to use any of them?

>

> finally they will dam astrology for even their fault like that not

knowing wich is the right reading.

>

>

>

> Best wishes

>

> prashant

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> ariamsoul <ariamsoul@. ..>

>

> Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:29:44 AM

> Re: WHY SO MUCH MISPLACED FRUSTRATION, FRIENDS?

>

>

> Sir,

>

> Since this is a simple question to all I share some views. I have

> been a silent reader on this forum for sometime.

>

> Any nativity that approaches the astrologer does so in full

> faith.Mostly the faith stems from personal grief that could be

> related or not and not from trust unless the astrologer is famous

or

> his prediction/remedy has worked.

>

> Both Astrologer and Nativity do realise that for trust and remedy

to

> work it requires time and a continous interaction/ effort and then

the

> astrologer becomes a guide/guru/parent and the nativity his

child.But

> there have been situations when the nativity connects with the

> astrologer even before..call it trust or faith or destiny.

>

> However such is the nature of today's world that even a simple act

of

> charity is deemed as an effort and is doubted..(NOT) .

> There is no fault with the forums. How can that be when there are

> many who have been blessed with such free readings and there are

many

> astrologers who continue to provide free readings inspite of their

> own problems.It is actually the greatness of the astrologers to

> continue providing help and support.

>

> For the nativities for whom the reading doesnt help they will keep

> going from one astrologer to another...cyber or not...after all it

is

> all about human behavior and experiences. ..and we all are indeed

> humans.

>

> Regards

> Ariam

>

> Regards

> Ariam

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashanthji,

I have been part of this forum for sometime now though I have to

admit I havent followed it regularly but have read up articles on an

off from this forum.

 

My knowledge in Astrology is very limited ( mostly net) but the

experiences that I have shared along with many nativities is

there.Any interaction between an astrologer and a nativity becomes a

learning experience both where astrology and life is concerned.

Thank you so much for your warm welcome.

Regards

Ariam

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

>

> Dear Ariam,

>

> well

> .. ,,, we do realise that for anything to work it takes time be it

the

> remedy or the prediction ...//

>

> this is the point I included in support of the line that posting in

too many places leads them nowhere WE CAN'T PUSH THE CLOCK FORWARD

they have to wait for the time to pass and they r free to do so after

it quoting the past incident/readings were good or bad for their

planing/counsel etc.

>

> I am a moderator in this forum from Apr 28 08 so after it only set

all new members to moderated to prevent fake ID;s siging up and

straightway assuming/pretending they have been a silet member for

long and are posting to express x openion

> to my recollection i remember ur ID creation as a fresh one and

did a check to my suproise it is 5/11/08 so is this fair enuf to say

u have been obsering for sometime...>! unless u have had time to read

a few months years of archives [possible though]

>

> as of now ur posts r in good taste so I took this effort to state

this we do oiserve members activities. as long as it is good fine.

>

>

> i would like to know ifu have any astrological foundation if so PL

feel free to read, horoscope requests and any topical thread u like.

more than one view is always welcome here.

>

> best wishes

>

> prashant

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> ariamsoul <ariamsoul

>

> Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:12:38 AM

> Re: WHY SO MUCH MISPLACED FRUSTRATION, FRIENDS? 11/11

>

>

> Dear Prashanthji,

> I think you misunderstood me I do not doubt the ability of the

> astrologer for that matter the knowledge and wisdom shared by any

> astrologer.

> But we do realise that for anything to work it takes time be it the

> remedy or the prediction.For the nativity, the time becomes a

> challenge who most of the time is in the situation.Throw in couple

of

> more factors like health issues,financial strain and family

> problems.Here comes in the human experience whether they stick to

the

> advice or not .....that can only said/experienced by them.It is a

> human problem/experience.

>

> I understand that with too many advices the nativity can go round

and

> round in circles but we cant do much about that and frustration is

> pretty normal.

>

> For the ones that really revert and follow the advices whether

worked

> or not...make this relationship sacred and since you have named so

> many nativities that have reverted and followed it shows that this

> Art is truly divine.

>

> Regards

> Ariam

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ariam,

> >

> > ur post is a v good one and on the right track except the last

para

> >

> > it is not a case of disappointed nativities seeking more answers

pl

> see some names I had posted in past too auch cases r rare and we

> understand them and we do respond to them.

> >

> > kumar rajeev, posts 3-5 copies in every group every month still

is

> on I had tkane him on as a spammer

> >

> > n_nathan fromlalasya is another almost a few a yr from him in

many

> groups

> >

> > anil kumar reddy from K used to every fortnight in as many groups

> >

> > Kiran [femal from UK same] the UK cases r 2 yrs old so pl see

that

> period

> >

> > pratosh gopi too too many groups and even abused astrologers.

> >

> > Seema, Sridar_62 do also post often in groups but some feedback

is

> there the way u said

> >

> > there too many like this this is a sample

> >

> >

> > I had given him some succesful predictions in the past and

present

> as well.

> > for me feedback is itself good enough, not all see it that way.

> >

> > I have asked ppl quote ur past experience if posted earlier as

> these r feedback to the astrologers not ciritism of his failure we

r

> not gods we r just interpreters of Divine wisdom. we would like to

be

> corrected if we know we went wrong no problem with a feedback even

on

> failed ones.

> >

> > my focus is soley on too many advices they seek and get will they

> be able to use any of them?

> >

> > finally they will dam astrology for even their fault like that

not

> knowing wich is the right reading.

> >

> >

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > prashant

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > ariamsoul <ariamsoul@ ..>

> >

> > Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:29:44 AM

> > Re: WHY SO MUCH MISPLACED FRUSTRATION, FRIENDS?

> >

> >

> > Sir,

> >

> > Since this is a simple question to all I share some views. I have

> > been a silent reader on this forum for sometime.

> >

> > Any nativity that approaches the astrologer does so in full

> > faith.Mostly the faith stems from personal grief that could be

> > related or not and not from trust unless the astrologer is famous

> or

> > his prediction/remedy has worked.

> >

> > Both Astrologer and Nativity do realise that for trust and remedy

> to

> > work it requires time and a continous interaction/ effort and

then

> the

> > astrologer becomes a guide/guru/parent and the nativity his

> child.But

> > there have been situations when the nativity connects with the

> > astrologer even before..call it trust or faith or destiny.

> >

> > However such is the nature of today's world that even a simple

act

> of

> > charity is deemed as an effort and is doubted..(NOT) .

> > There is no fault with the forums. How can that be when there are

> > many who have been blessed with such free readings and there are

> many

> > astrologers who continue to provide free readings inspite of

their

> > own problems.It is actually the greatness of the astrologers to

> > continue providing help and support.

> >

> > For the nativities for whom the reading doesnt help they will

keep

> > going from one astrologer to another...cyber or not...after all

it

> is

> > all about human behavior and experiences. ..and we all are indeed

> > humans.

> >

> > Regards

> > Ariam

> >

> > Regards

> > Ariam

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >