why shiva is worshipped in phallic form

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panditarjun2004 wrote:

> dear friends

> many people asked the reason for worshipping the shivalinga with yoni

> and why devotees do not worship the image of lord shiva himself.

> here below is the narration of the same from the holy shivapurana,

> kotirudra samhita, chapter 12:

> ---------quote- --------- -

> sages ask suta to narrat the story behind the worship of phallic form

> of shiva to which sage suta says that once upon a time in the forest

> of daruka, sages were all devotees of lord shiva and worshipping him

> daily. to test their devotion, lord shiva comes in the form of a

> naked person (avadhoota) with ashes smeared all over is body,

> standing there and holding his penis. the wives of the sages were

> extremely frightened at this sight while other women excited,

> surprised and approached lord shiva. some embraced him, others held

> his hands and the women were engrossed in struggling with one

> another. meanwhile the great sages came there and seeing lord shiva

> engaged in perverse activities, they were pained and infuriated.

> deluded by siva maya and plunged in grief, the sages asked the naked

> person who he is but shiva does not reply. then the sages curse

> shiva that his penis fall on the ground since he is acting

> pervertedly in violation of the vedic path.

> due to the curse of the sages, the penis of that avadhoota fell down

> and burnt everything and wherever it went, it began to burn

> everything there. the penis went all over the earth, patala and

> heaven and never remained steady anywhere and kept on going places.

> unable to comprehend shiva maya, the sages and gods approached lord

> brahma to find a solution to stop the penis from burning everything

> everywhere. then lord brahma says that if a guest comes to the

> ashram of sages, he must be treated with respect even if he is

> avadhoota. since this avadhoota instead of getting respect got

> cursed, the penis would not become stationary which bodes bad for all

> the three worlds. to make the penis stationary and steady, lord

> brahma advises the gods and sages to propitiate goddess parvati and

> pray her to assume the form of vagina so that it holds the penis.

> lord brahma also states that a pot shall be placed over it and water

> from holy centres shall be poured into the pot along with the sprouts

> of durva and barley invoked with vedic mantras. the penis held in

> the vagina thus shall be drenched in water with sata rudriya

> mantras. parvati in the form of vaginal passage and an auspicious

> arrow shall form as the pedestal wherein the phallus shall be

> installed with vedic mantras. the shivalinga then shall be

> propitiated with the offerings of sandal paste, fragrant flowers,

> incense and other things as well as by food offerings and other forms

> of worship. with prostrations, holy hymns, bhajans and songs he

> shall be propitiated further with svastyayana mantras etc.

> thus pleased, lord shiva tells the gods and sages that if the penis

> is supported in the vaginal passage, it will immediately become quiet

> and no woman other than parvati can hold his penis. then goddess

> parvati assumes the vagina form and holds the phallus and is

> worshipped by brahma, Vishnu, other gods and sages and the three

> worlds stayed in peace and happiness.

> ------------ ---unquote- --------- ---------

> narrating the above story, it is preached that when devotees worship

> an image or form of the god, even if he is avadhuta or naked,

> devotees shall focus on their meditation with holy vision which is

> why our elders advise that whenever we see the image of a diety, we

> shall look at their feet and prostrate at the feet to seek blessings.

> members are aware that naga sadhus who live like avadhootas live

> naked with ash smeared all over the body and they are given highest

> respect. in all kumbha melas, naga sadhus are the first people to

> take bath. we also see digambar jain gurus live all along as

> avadhootas and these avadhootas travel barefoot and devotees treat

> these avadhootas as god.

> some other puranic experts also narrate that this story highlights

> the significance of lord shiva and parvati representing the creation

> of this universe. we also find at the beginning of raghuvamsam,

> kalidasa eulogizing lord shiva and parvati and their cosmic union as

> the parents of this universe.

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy .com

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dear friends

 

many people asked the reason for worshipping the shivalinga with yoni

and why devotees do not worship the image of lord shiva himself.

here below is the narration of the same from the holy shivapurana,

kotirudra samhita, chapter 12:

 

---------quote-----------

sages ask suta to narrat the story behind the worship of phallic form

of shiva to which sage suta says that once upon a time in the forest

of daruka, sages were all devotees of lord shiva and worshipping him

daily. to test their devotion, lord shiva comes in the form of a

naked person (avadhoota) with ashes smeared all over is body,

standing there and holding his penis. the wives of the sages were

extremely frightened at this sight while other women excited,

surprised and approached lord shiva. some embraced him, others held

his hands and the women were engrossed in struggling with one

another. meanwhile the great sages came there and seeing lord shiva

engaged in perverse activities, they were pained and infuriated.

deluded by siva maya and plunged in grief, the sages asked the naked

person who he is but shiva does not reply. then the sages curse

shiva that his penis fall on the ground since he is acting

pervertedly in violation of the vedic path.

 

due to the curse of the sages, the penis of that avadhoota fell down

and burnt everything and wherever it went, it began to burn

everything there. the penis went all over the earth, patala and

heaven and never remained steady anywhere and kept on going places.

 

unable to comprehend shiva maya, the sages and gods approached lord

brahma to find a solution to stop the penis from burning everything

everywhere. then lord brahma says that if a guest comes to the

ashram of sages, he must be treated with respect even if he is

avadhoota. since this avadhoota instead of getting respect got

cursed, the penis would not become stationary which bodes bad for all

the three worlds. to make the penis stationary and steady, lord

brahma advises the gods and sages to propitiate goddess parvati and

pray her to assume the form of vagina so that it holds the penis.

lord brahma also states that a pot shall be placed over it and water

from holy centres shall be poured into the pot along with the sprouts

of durva and barley invoked with vedic mantras. the penis held in

the vagina thus shall be drenched in water with sata rudriya

mantras. parvati in the form of vaginal passage and an auspicious

arrow shall form as the pedestal wherein the phallus shall be

installed with vedic mantras. the shivalinga then shall be

propitiated with the offerings of sandal paste, fragrant flowers,

incense and other things as well as by food offerings and other forms

of worship. with prostrations, holy hymns, bhajans and songs he

shall be propitiated further with svastyayana mantras etc.

 

thus pleased, lord shiva tells the gods and sages that if the penis

is supported in the vaginal passage, it will immediately become quiet

and no woman other than parvati can hold his penis. then goddess

parvati assumes the vagina form and holds the phallus and is

worshipped by brahma, Vishnu, other gods and sages and the three

worlds stayed in peace and happiness.

---------------unquote-------------------

 

narrating the above story, it is preached that when devotees worship

an image or form of the god, even if he is avadhuta or naked,

devotees shall focus on their meditation with holy vision which is

why our elders advise that whenever we see the image of a diety, we

shall look at their feet and prostrate at the feet to seek blessings.

 

members are aware that naga sadhus who live like avadhootas live

naked with ash smeared all over the body and they are given highest

respect. in all kumbha melas, naga sadhus are the first people to

take bath. we also see digambar jain gurus live all along as

avadhootas and these avadhootas travel barefoot and devotees treat

these avadhootas as god.

 

some other puranic experts also narrate that this story highlights

the significance of lord shiva and parvati representing the creation

of this universe. we also find at the beginning of raghuvamsam,

kalidasa eulogizing lord shiva and parvati and their cosmic union as

the parents of this universe.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

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Dear Arjun ji,

 

When people begin to ask for the *reasons* for **worshipping** I

sense an obvious disconnect!

 

How can ratio/rationality/reasoning ever judge matters that must be

experienced ONLY through FAITH?

 

Does a newborn infant reach out to its mother, driven by REASONING or

FAITH?

 

I think PEOPLE should go back to the moment when they were born! The

memories are all there, just forgotten ;-)

 

Astrology can help! As always!!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friends

>

> many people asked the reason for worshipping the shivalinga with

yoni

> and why devotees do not worship the image of lord shiva himself.

> here below is the narration of the same from the holy shivapurana,

> kotirudra samhita, chapter 12:

>

> ---------quote-----------

> sages ask suta to narrat the story behind the worship of phallic

form

> of shiva to which sage suta says that once upon a time in the

forest

> of daruka, sages were all devotees of lord shiva and worshipping

him

> daily. to test their devotion, lord shiva comes in the form of a

> naked person (avadhoota) with ashes smeared all over is body,

> standing there and holding his penis. the wives of the sages were

> extremely frightened at this sight while other women excited,

> surprised and approached lord shiva. some embraced him, others

held

> his hands and the women were engrossed in struggling with one

> another. meanwhile the great sages came there and seeing lord

shiva

> engaged in perverse activities, they were pained and infuriated.

> deluded by siva maya and plunged in grief, the sages asked the

naked

> person who he is but shiva does not reply. then the sages curse

> shiva that his penis fall on the ground since he is acting

> pervertedly in violation of the vedic path.

>

> due to the curse of the sages, the penis of that avadhoota fell

down

> and burnt everything and wherever it went, it began to burn

> everything there. the penis went all over the earth, patala and

> heaven and never remained steady anywhere and kept on going places.

>

> unable to comprehend shiva maya, the sages and gods approached lord

> brahma to find a solution to stop the penis from burning everything

> everywhere. then lord brahma says that if a guest comes to the

> ashram of sages, he must be treated with respect even if he is

> avadhoota. since this avadhoota instead of getting respect got

> cursed, the penis would not become stationary which bodes bad for

all

> the three worlds. to make the penis stationary and steady, lord

> brahma advises the gods and sages to propitiate goddess parvati and

> pray her to assume the form of vagina so that it holds the penis.

> lord brahma also states that a pot shall be placed over it and

water

> from holy centres shall be poured into the pot along with the

sprouts

> of durva and barley invoked with vedic mantras. the penis held in

> the vagina thus shall be drenched in water with sata rudriya

> mantras. parvati in the form of vaginal passage and an auspicious

> arrow shall form as the pedestal wherein the phallus shall be

> installed with vedic mantras. the shivalinga then shall be

> propitiated with the offerings of sandal paste, fragrant flowers,

> incense and other things as well as by food offerings and other

forms

> of worship. with prostrations, holy hymns, bhajans and songs he

> shall be propitiated further with svastyayana mantras etc.

>

> thus pleased, lord shiva tells the gods and sages that if the penis

> is supported in the vaginal passage, it will immediately become

quiet

> and no woman other than parvati can hold his penis. then goddess

> parvati assumes the vagina form and holds the phallus and is

> worshipped by brahma, Vishnu, other gods and sages and the three

> worlds stayed in peace and happiness.

> ---------------unquote-------------------

>

> narrating the above story, it is preached that when devotees

worship

> an image or form of the god, even if he is avadhuta or naked,

> devotees shall focus on their meditation with holy vision which is

> why our elders advise that whenever we see the image of a diety, we

> shall look at their feet and prostrate at the feet to seek

blessings.

>

> members are aware that naga sadhus who live like avadhootas live

> naked with ash smeared all over the body and they are given highest

> respect. in all kumbha melas, naga sadhus are the first people to

> take bath. we also see digambar jain gurus live all along as

> avadhootas and these avadhootas travel barefoot and devotees treat

> these avadhootas as god.

>

> some other puranic experts also narrate that this story highlights

> the significance of lord shiva and parvati representing the

creation

> of this universe. we also find at the beginning of raghuvamsam,

> kalidasa eulogizing lord shiva and parvati and their cosmic union

as

> the parents of this universe.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

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dear RRji

 

generally sravan month is worshipped for lord shiva most in north

india and kartik month (presently running) is worshipped for lord

shiva in south india, during which time shivbhakts keep fast on all

days in general and mondays in particular and also lit lamps in the

evenings daily in general and on kartika poornima in particular.

shivapurana sravanam is considered an act of merit during these

months and the same is rendered in various shiva temples during these

months. accordingly few devotees asked these queries and i thought

of sharing the same in the groups as well.

 

your understanding and observation is valid but not all people are

highly learnt souls like you. there are numerous tell me why series

that reason mundane things. on practices and traditions and acharas

and devotional things we do, querents do not search the voluminous

puranas and ancient scriptures for answers where we help them by

providing the concerned references substantiated by mentioning the

chapter, verse number etc. of the scriptures.

 

as regards reasoning, the famous adage stands valid for all:

yuktiyuktam vako grahyam baladapi sukadapi (parrot suka)

yuktiheenam vako tyajyam vruddhadapi sukadapi (sage suka).

 

so each native has a right to accept or reject whatever is supposedly

told by sage suka. my job is limited to finding the answers for the

queries with references from scriptures to those who believe in them.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Dear Arjun ji,

>

> When people begin to ask for the *reasons* for **worshipping** I

> sense an obvious disconnect!

>

> How can ratio/rationality/reasoning ever judge matters that must be

> experienced ONLY through FAITH?

>

> Does a newborn infant reach out to its mother, driven by REASONING

or

> FAITH?

>

> I think PEOPLE should go back to the moment when they were born!

The

> memories are all there, just forgotten ;-)

>

> Astrology can help! As always!!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

> , " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> >

> > many people asked the reason for worshipping the shivalinga with

> yoni

> > and why devotees do not worship the image of lord shiva himself.

> > here below is the narration of the same from the holy

shivapurana,

> > kotirudra samhita, chapter 12:

> >

> > ---------quote-----------

> > sages ask suta to narrat the story behind the worship of phallic

> form

> > of shiva to which sage suta says that once upon a time in the

> forest

> > of daruka, sages were all devotees of lord shiva and worshipping

> him

> > daily. to test their devotion, lord shiva comes in the form of a

> > naked person (avadhoota) with ashes smeared all over is body,

> > standing there and holding his penis. the wives of the sages

were

> > extremely frightened at this sight while other women excited,

> > surprised and approached lord shiva. some embraced him, others

> held

> > his hands and the women were engrossed in struggling with one

> > another. meanwhile the great sages came there and seeing lord

> shiva

> > engaged in perverse activities, they were pained and infuriated.

> > deluded by siva maya and plunged in grief, the sages asked the

> naked

> > person who he is but shiva does not reply. then the sages curse

> > shiva that his penis fall on the ground since he is acting

> > pervertedly in violation of the vedic path.

> >

> > due to the curse of the sages, the penis of that avadhoota fell

> down

> > and burnt everything and wherever it went, it began to burn

> > everything there. the penis went all over the earth, patala and

> > heaven and never remained steady anywhere and kept on going

places.

> >

> > unable to comprehend shiva maya, the sages and gods approached

lord

> > brahma to find a solution to stop the penis from burning

everything

> > everywhere. then lord brahma says that if a guest comes to the

> > ashram of sages, he must be treated with respect even if he is

> > avadhoota. since this avadhoota instead of getting respect got

> > cursed, the penis would not become stationary which bodes bad for

> all

> > the three worlds. to make the penis stationary and steady, lord

> > brahma advises the gods and sages to propitiate goddess parvati

and

> > pray her to assume the form of vagina so that it holds the

penis.

> > lord brahma also states that a pot shall be placed over it and

> water

> > from holy centres shall be poured into the pot along with the

> sprouts

> > of durva and barley invoked with vedic mantras. the penis held

in

> > the vagina thus shall be drenched in water with sata rudriya

> > mantras. parvati in the form of vaginal passage and an

auspicious

> > arrow shall form as the pedestal wherein the phallus shall be

> > installed with vedic mantras. the shivalinga then shall be

> > propitiated with the offerings of sandal paste, fragrant flowers,

> > incense and other things as well as by food offerings and other

> forms

> > of worship. with prostrations, holy hymns, bhajans and songs he

> > shall be propitiated further with svastyayana mantras etc.

> >

> > thus pleased, lord shiva tells the gods and sages that if the

penis

> > is supported in the vaginal passage, it will immediately become

> quiet

> > and no woman other than parvati can hold his penis. then goddess

> > parvati assumes the vagina form and holds the phallus and is

> > worshipped by brahma, Vishnu, other gods and sages and the three

> > worlds stayed in peace and happiness.

> > ---------------unquote-------------------

> >

> > narrating the above story, it is preached that when devotees

> worship

> > an image or form of the god, even if he is avadhuta or naked,

> > devotees shall focus on their meditation with holy vision which

is

> > why our elders advise that whenever we see the image of a diety,

we

> > shall look at their feet and prostrate at the feet to seek

> blessings.

> >

> > members are aware that naga sadhus who live like avadhootas live

> > naked with ash smeared all over the body and they are given

highest

> > respect. in all kumbha melas, naga sadhus are the first people

to

> > take bath. we also see digambar jain gurus live all along as

> > avadhootas and these avadhootas travel barefoot and devotees

treat

> > these avadhootas as god.

> >

> > some other puranic experts also narrate that this story

highlights

> > the significance of lord shiva and parvati representing the

> creation

> > of this universe. we also find at the beginning of raghuvamsam,

> > kalidasa eulogizing lord shiva and parvati and their cosmic union

> as

> > the parents of this universe.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

>

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Thanks for your kind thoughts and taking the time to reply, Arjunji.

 

Best regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear RRji

>

> generally sravan month is worshipped for lord shiva most in north

> india and kartik month (presently running) is worshipped for lord

> shiva in south india, during which time shivbhakts keep fast on all

> days in general and mondays in particular and also lit lamps in the

> evenings daily in general and on kartika poornima in particular.

> shivapurana sravanam is considered an act of merit during these

> months and the same is rendered in various shiva temples during

these

> months. accordingly few devotees asked these queries and i thought

> of sharing the same in the groups as well.

>

> your understanding and observation is valid but not all people are

> highly learnt souls like you. there are numerous tell me why

series

> that reason mundane things. on practices and traditions and acharas

> and devotional things we do, querents do not search the voluminous

> puranas and ancient scriptures for answers where we help them by

> providing the concerned references substantiated by mentioning the

> chapter, verse number etc. of the scriptures.

>

> as regards reasoning, the famous adage stands valid for all:

> yuktiyuktam vako grahyam baladapi sukadapi (parrot suka)

> yuktiheenam vako tyajyam vruddhadapi sukadapi (sage suka).

>

> so each native has a right to accept or reject whatever is

supposedly

> told by sage suka. my job is limited to finding the answers for

the

> queries with references from scriptures to those who believe in

them.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Arjun ji,

> >

> > When people begin to ask for the *reasons* for **worshipping** I

> > sense an obvious disconnect!

> >

> > How can ratio/rationality/reasoning ever judge matters that must

be

> > experienced ONLY through FAITH?

> >

> > Does a newborn infant reach out to its mother, driven by

REASONING

> or

> > FAITH?

> >

> > I think PEOPLE should go back to the moment when they were born!

> The

> > memories are all there, just forgotten ;-)

> >

> > Astrology can help! As always!!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friends

> > >

> > > many people asked the reason for worshipping the shivalinga

with

> > yoni

> > > and why devotees do not worship the image of lord shiva

himself.

> > > here below is the narration of the same from the holy

> shivapurana,

> > > kotirudra samhita, chapter 12:

> > >

> > > ---------quote-----------

> > > sages ask suta to narrat the story behind the worship of

phallic

> > form

> > > of shiva to which sage suta says that once upon a time in the

> > forest

> > > of daruka, sages were all devotees of lord shiva and

worshipping

> > him

> > > daily. to test their devotion, lord shiva comes in the form of

a

> > > naked person (avadhoota) with ashes smeared all over is body,

> > > standing there and holding his penis. the wives of the sages

> were

> > > extremely frightened at this sight while other women excited,

> > > surprised and approached lord shiva. some embraced him, others

> > held

> > > his hands and the women were engrossed in struggling with one

> > > another. meanwhile the great sages came there and seeing lord

> > shiva

> > > engaged in perverse activities, they were pained and

infuriated.

> > > deluded by siva maya and plunged in grief, the sages asked the

> > naked

> > > person who he is but shiva does not reply. then the sages

curse

> > > shiva that his penis fall on the ground since he is acting

> > > pervertedly in violation of the vedic path.

> > >

> > > due to the curse of the sages, the penis of that avadhoota fell

> > down

> > > and burnt everything and wherever it went, it began to burn

> > > everything there. the penis went all over the earth, patala

and

> > > heaven and never remained steady anywhere and kept on going

> places.

> > >

> > > unable to comprehend shiva maya, the sages and gods approached

> lord

> > > brahma to find a solution to stop the penis from burning

> everything

> > > everywhere. then lord brahma says that if a guest comes to the

> > > ashram of sages, he must be treated with respect even if he is

> > > avadhoota. since this avadhoota instead of getting respect got

> > > cursed, the penis would not become stationary which bodes bad

for

> > all

> > > the three worlds. to make the penis stationary and steady,

lord

> > > brahma advises the gods and sages to propitiate goddess parvati

> and

> > > pray her to assume the form of vagina so that it holds the

> penis.

> > > lord brahma also states that a pot shall be placed over it and

> > water

> > > from holy centres shall be poured into the pot along with the

> > sprouts

> > > of durva and barley invoked with vedic mantras. the penis held

> in

> > > the vagina thus shall be drenched in water with sata rudriya

> > > mantras. parvati in the form of vaginal passage and an

> auspicious

> > > arrow shall form as the pedestal wherein the phallus shall be

> > > installed with vedic mantras. the shivalinga then shall be

> > > propitiated with the offerings of sandal paste, fragrant

flowers,

> > > incense and other things as well as by food offerings and other

> > forms

> > > of worship. with prostrations, holy hymns, bhajans and songs

he

> > > shall be propitiated further with svastyayana mantras etc.

> > >

> > > thus pleased, lord shiva tells the gods and sages that if the

> penis

> > > is supported in the vaginal passage, it will immediately become

> > quiet

> > > and no woman other than parvati can hold his penis. then

goddess

> > > parvati assumes the vagina form and holds the phallus and is

> > > worshipped by brahma, Vishnu, other gods and sages and the

three

> > > worlds stayed in peace and happiness.

> > > ---------------unquote-------------------

> > >

> > > narrating the above story, it is preached that when devotees

> > worship

> > > an image or form of the god, even if he is avadhuta or naked,

> > > devotees shall focus on their meditation with holy vision which

> is

> > > why our elders advise that whenever we see the image of a

diety,

> we

> > > shall look at their feet and prostrate at the feet to seek

> > blessings.

> > >

> > > members are aware that naga sadhus who live like avadhootas

live

> > > naked with ash smeared all over the body and they are given

> highest

> > > respect. in all kumbha melas, naga sadhus are the first people

> to

> > > take bath. we also see digambar jain gurus live all along as

> > > avadhootas and these avadhootas travel barefoot and devotees

> treat

> > > these avadhootas as god.

> > >

> > > some other puranic experts also narrate that this story

> highlights

> > > the significance of lord shiva and parvati representing the

> > creation

> > > of this universe. we also find at the beginning of

raghuvamsam,

> > > kalidasa eulogizing lord shiva and parvati and their cosmic

union

> > as

> > > the parents of this universe.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Arunji for sharing this information.

 

, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear RRji

>

> generally sravan month is worshipped for lord shiva most in north

> india and kartik month (presently running) is worshipped for lord

> shiva in south india, during which time shivbhakts keep fast on

all

> days in general and mondays in particular and also lit lamps in

the

> evenings daily in general and on kartika poornima in particular.

> shivapurana sravanam is considered an act of merit during these

> months and the same is rendered in various shiva temples during

these

> months. accordingly few devotees asked these queries and i

thought

> of sharing the same in the groups as well.

>

> your understanding and observation is valid but not all people are

> highly learnt souls like you. there are numerous tell me why

series

> that reason mundane things. on practices and traditions and

acharas

> and devotional things we do, querents do not search the voluminous

> puranas and ancient scriptures for answers where we help them by

> providing the concerned references substantiated by mentioning the

> chapter, verse number etc. of the scriptures.

>

> as regards reasoning, the famous adage stands valid for all:

> yuktiyuktam vako grahyam baladapi sukadapi (parrot suka)

> yuktiheenam vako tyajyam vruddhadapi sukadapi (sage suka).

>

> so each native has a right to accept or reject whatever is

supposedly

> told by sage suka. my job is limited to finding the answers for

the

> queries with references from scriptures to those who believe in

them.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Arjun ji,

> >

> > When people begin to ask for the *reasons* for **worshipping** I

> > sense an obvious disconnect!

> >

> > How can ratio/rationality/reasoning ever judge matters that must

be

> > experienced ONLY through FAITH?

> >

> > Does a newborn infant reach out to its mother, driven by

REASONING

> or

> > FAITH?

> >

> > I think PEOPLE should go back to the moment when they were born!

> The

> > memories are all there, just forgotten ;-)

> >

> > Astrology can help! As always!!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friends

> > >

> > > many people asked the reason for worshipping the shivalinga

with

> > yoni

> > > and why devotees do not worship the image of lord shiva

himself.

> > > here below is the narration of the same from the holy

> shivapurana,

> > > kotirudra samhita, chapter 12:

> > >

> > > ---------quote-----------

> > > sages ask suta to narrat the story behind the worship of

phallic

> > form

> > > of shiva to which sage suta says that once upon a time in the

> > forest

> > > of daruka, sages were all devotees of lord shiva and

worshipping

> > him

> > > daily. to test their devotion, lord shiva comes in the form

of a

> > > naked person (avadhoota) with ashes smeared all over is body,

> > > standing there and holding his penis. the wives of the sages

> were

> > > extremely frightened at this sight while other women excited,

> > > surprised and approached lord shiva. some embraced him,

others

> > held

> > > his hands and the women were engrossed in struggling with one

> > > another. meanwhile the great sages came there and seeing lord

> > shiva

> > > engaged in perverse activities, they were pained and

infuriated.

> > > deluded by siva maya and plunged in grief, the sages asked the

> > naked

> > > person who he is but shiva does not reply. then the sages

curse

> > > shiva that his penis fall on the ground since he is acting

> > > pervertedly in violation of the vedic path.

> > >

> > > due to the curse of the sages, the penis of that avadhoota

fell

> > down

> > > and burnt everything and wherever it went, it began to burn

> > > everything there. the penis went all over the earth, patala

and

> > > heaven and never remained steady anywhere and kept on going

> places.

> > >

> > > unable to comprehend shiva maya, the sages and gods approached

> lord

> > > brahma to find a solution to stop the penis from burning

> everything

> > > everywhere. then lord brahma says that if a guest comes to

the

> > > ashram of sages, he must be treated with respect even if he is

> > > avadhoota. since this avadhoota instead of getting respect

got

> > > cursed, the penis would not become stationary which bodes bad

for

> > all

> > > the three worlds. to make the penis stationary and steady,

lord

> > > brahma advises the gods and sages to propitiate goddess

parvati

> and

> > > pray her to assume the form of vagina so that it holds the

> penis.

> > > lord brahma also states that a pot shall be placed over it and

> > water

> > > from holy centres shall be poured into the pot along with the

> > sprouts

> > > of durva and barley invoked with vedic mantras. the penis

held

> in

> > > the vagina thus shall be drenched in water with sata rudriya

> > > mantras. parvati in the form of vaginal passage and an

> auspicious

> > > arrow shall form as the pedestal wherein the phallus shall be

> > > installed with vedic mantras. the shivalinga then shall be

> > > propitiated with the offerings of sandal paste, fragrant

flowers,

> > > incense and other things as well as by food offerings and

other

> > forms

> > > of worship. with prostrations, holy hymns, bhajans and songs

he

> > > shall be propitiated further with svastyayana mantras etc.

> > >

> > > thus pleased, lord shiva tells the gods and sages that if the

> penis

> > > is supported in the vaginal passage, it will immediately

become

> > quiet

> > > and no woman other than parvati can hold his penis. then

goddess

> > > parvati assumes the vagina form and holds the phallus and is

> > > worshipped by brahma, Vishnu, other gods and sages and the

three

> > > worlds stayed in peace and happiness.

> > > ---------------unquote-------------------

> > >

> > > narrating the above story, it is preached that when devotees

> > worship

> > > an image or form of the god, even if he is avadhuta or naked,

> > > devotees shall focus on their meditation with holy vision

which

> is

> > > why our elders advise that whenever we see the image of a

diety,

> we

> > > shall look at their feet and prostrate at the feet to seek

> > blessings.

> > >

> > > members are aware that naga sadhus who live like avadhootas

live

> > > naked with ash smeared all over the body and they are given

> highest

> > > respect. in all kumbha melas, naga sadhus are the first

people

> to

> > > take bath. we also see digambar jain gurus live all along as

> > > avadhootas and these avadhootas travel barefoot and devotees

> treat

> > > these avadhootas as god.

> > >

> > > some other puranic experts also narrate that this story

> highlights

> > > the significance of lord shiva and parvati representing the

> > creation

> > > of this universe. we also find at the beginning of

raghuvamsam,

> > > kalidasa eulogizing lord shiva and parvati and their cosmic

union

> > as

> > > the parents of this universe.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > >

> >

>