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Jyotish (Vedic Astrology) and Remedies

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Why does Astrology work?

Posted by:

" Rohiniranjan "

rohini_ranjan  

rohinicrystal

 

Tue

Nov 11, 2008 4:44 pm (PST)

 

The empiricists who believe in the direct evidence of " proof of the

 

pudding is in the eating " which the modern Varahamihira of

Jyotish,

Late Prof. Raman used to quote frequently, may respond

 

simply, " Because it just does...! "

 

I

realize that this is a very practical forum and focused on

 

techniques and deliverables and readings and explanations thereof but

like a cat I keep introducing my paw from under the sofa! Craving

your indulgence, gentle folks!

 

Those who have

observed a kitten would know that it spends a lot of

time in its

imaginary game of hunting and stalking and pouncing and

the way it

plays hide and seek. Games that cats play may actually be

survival

tactics in its wild cousin: the tiger! The domestic cat when

it

stays hidden under a sofa can sense the urgent note in its

 

caregiver's voice who is calling to find out where the pet is. The

 

cat would just extend and stick out its paw to show where it is,

 

quietly -- a pause from the drama that it is participating in with

 

its hunting and stalking pastime.

 

Similarly, treat these

somewhat esoteric musings which to the

pragmatist may sound like

too philosophical and even meaningless, but

I feel that we are

more than technicians and at least some of us

would need to sit

back and put some thinking into what really

connects these

techniques and interpolations between the heavens and

heavenly

bodies out there and we all down here. Sceptics very quickly

jump

on there being no strong physical energy connections but maybe

we

all need to think and then look beyond the physical energies and

 

connections. Even scientists are beginning to very gradually accept a

lot of what would have been considered superstition in their

coffee-

breaks only a few years ago!

 

So what is

it that keeps astrology's engine humming and purring

happily?

 

In your opinion and observations?

 

 

Rohiniranjan

Dear

Rohiniranjan: 

 

I think this question will always keep

coming up until we understand COMPLETELY, exactly why astrology truly does

work!

 

It is no different a question really then why do atoms

work they way they do?

 

Today, especially since we're in the

middle of such a profound scientific age where we've developed such great

models for understanding every fabric of the universe; we should be able

to ask this question again, and again and find a deeply satisfying

answer!

 

For me, having studied Jyotish for over 22 years I

can say most definitely that Astrology reall does work!

 

I've

done over 5,000 charts and each person so perfectly fits their charts!

 

In every way in which our charts fit us; this is a serious

confirmation that the rules and laws of Astrology are really real!

 

 

I now KNOW that the universe is astrological.  " We are

astrological beings, living in an astrological universe! "

 

Astrology can also be verified at any level, too.

 

Take the

Moon for example.  It represents how we feel, how emotionally stable

or unhappy or happy we are.  The size, house and aspects to the Moon

all express exactly where a person will be like emotionally from their

birth.

 

Astrology, really, is no different than the modern

science of Genetics which seeks to understand the inherent DNA that we're

each coming into this world with.

 

Genetics is seeking to

unravel the DNA code just so we can figure out exactly why some people are

strong emotionally and others not so much!

 

But, the real

purpose will be what can we do to strengthen those aspects of our DNA

which are not strong, balanced or healthy?

 

Genetics is pure

Astrology!

 

The profundity of Astrology however, lies in its

ancient wisdom.  Especially Jyotish which is intimately connected to

all the remedial and remedies of Vedic knowledge including yoga,

meditation, yaguas, Ayurveda and on and on; gives us the tools and

techniques of self-development to change and improve, literally unfolding

our greater full potential.

 

Astrology needs to move into a

scientifc mode and the more we as professionals stand up for this and make

it more clear that Astrology is verifiable then Astrology will be looked

at more seriously.

 

There are however, some other serious

faults in the field of Astrology which are keeping serious minded,

especially physicists to unravel exactly why Astrology works.

 

 

My take on it, is that it probably lies in the unified field or sub-atomic

level that the realities, of Jyotish or Astrology reside.

 

 

When one studies the Transits for example, which are out there, in nature,

the weather even, how each day feels is a direct correlation between what

the transiting stars are supposed to be doing.

 

Yesterday, for

example, the Moon was very big and moving towards it's Full Moon

status.  Normally, this would be a very happy and profound Moonish or

emotioanl moment.

 

However, this month and year, the

all-important Sun was debilitated and in fact transiting the exact degree

in Libra (25) from where Saturn was fully aspecting from the 25th degree

of Leo.

 

Jyotish, has one of its rules or we might start

calling them 'laws' that Saturn is supposed to influence the 3rd house

from where it is.

 

Every month the Moon and sometimes like

now, even other planets move into that space which is that 3rd House away

rule.

 

Therefore the prediction, even scientific prediction

turned out true!

 

Each moment of the Transits shows that the

universe is living Astrology!

 

In such days our every day

experiences show us that these ideas and opinions of Astrology are not

fanciful or imagination but true, real and extremely profound.

 

 

Let's take some examples.

 

Let's see if people in

this group can contribute to a short study and verification of the Moon,

as one example.

 

I'd love to hear from people how their Moon

configurations are indeed fitting them in a precise, verifiable and even

scientific emotional way!

 

I'll start!

 

When I was

born, (Sept. 4,1951 11:17AM Kansas City, MO. US Libra Jyotish rising) my

Moon was only 3 days away from the Sun or a New Moon.

My Moon, (26th

degree in Virgo) was very close to my Sun (18th degree) in Leo.

My

Moon, therefore, was very small and in the 12th House with Saturn.

 

 

All of the traditonal and classic ideas of my chart fit me

exactly!

 

I was very shy when I was young.  I was very

self-conscious, emotionally unstable and weak in school as well as my

personal life.

 

I was therefore naturally drawn even without

knowing astrology to find some ways of improving this Moon situation.

 

Unfortunately, there were no good or powerful remedies in my

early life; but when I went to college such things as meditation and yoga

were very popular.

 

I ended up trying these and immediately,

even within a few weeks I started feeling better emotionally.

 

 

Now, 38 years of meditation and 22 years of practicing Jyotish have

improved my Moon so much I can't even recognize myself.

 

I'm

not that shy, overly sensitive, vulnerable person emotionally!

 

Our charts do fit us.

 

And, the more we each stand up for

and show the world that this is true, there will be those who explain why

the laws of nature work in this way.

 

Though even scientists

never are able to explain why God created the laws of nature in the way

that He/She did!

 

Astrology, still is a perfect bridge to

explain both the subjective and objective aspects of life.

 

 

Our Astrology fits us subjectively.  Our charts explain why family

members are the way they are and especially why their interactions are the

way they are; positive and negative.

 

But, Jyotish or

Astrology's real purpose is to help us #1 Know who we are and #2 Why we've

come to this Earth...and even #3 Exactly what we can do to take maximum

advantage of our strengths (Benefices) and heal, balance and literally

transform all our malefics, also into strengths!

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

Nature's Astrology

www..com

(Presently under

re-construction)

/

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Marc,

 

Thank you for taking so much time to write your long response. It was

a pity that for some reason the formatting came through in such a way

that it was difficult to follow easily. However the bulk of your

writing seemed to be addressing the question, " Does jyotish work? " .

That was never the question or issue. We all know that already and

even after a few years of sincere study that becomes very apparent.

That is why people stay with jyotish as long as 22 years in your case

and even longer in many other cases :-)

 

That said, there was a somewhat confusing piece which I quote below:

" Now, 38 years of meditation and 22 years of practicing Jyotish have

> improved my Moon so much I can't even recognize myself.

>

> I'm

> not that shy, overly sensitive, vulnerable person emotionally!

>

> Our charts do fit us.

"

 

I am sure you would notice the controversy in your presentation! On

the one hand you are saying that people do fit their classical chart

description but at the same time you are saying that people can

change with remedies, yoga, meditation etc.

 

By that what I am understanding is that people can change, despite

what their classical chart descriptions indicate! A shy person's

birthchart will not change but he or she can outgrow the shyness that

would be the classical description for the chart!

 

But thanks for trying to address the issue that is certainly not

easy...!

 

Best wishes,

 

RR

 

, markkincaid wrote:

>

Jyotish (Vedic Astrology) and Remedies

> Messages In This Digest 

>

>

>

> 7.

>

> Why does Astrology work?

> Posted by:

> " Rohiniranjan "

> rohini_ranjan  

rohinicrystal

>

> Tue

> Nov 11, 2008 4:44 pm (PST)

>

> The empiricists who believe in the direct evidence of " proof of

the

>

> pudding is in the eating " which the modern Varahamihira of

> Jyotish,

> Late Prof. Raman used to quote frequently, may respond

>

> simply, " Because it just does...! "

>

> I

> realize that this is a very practical forum and focused on

>

> techniques and deliverables and readings and explanations thereof

but

> like a cat I keep introducing my paw from under the sofa! Craving

> your indulgence, gentle folks!

>

> Those who have

> observed a kitten would know that it spends a lot of

> time in its

> imaginary game of hunting and stalking and pouncing and

> the way it

> plays hide and seek. Games that cats play may actually be

> survival

> tactics in its wild cousin: the tiger! The domestic cat when

> it

> stays hidden under a sofa can sense the urgent note in its

>

> caregiver's voice who is calling to find out where the pet is. The

>

> cat would just extend and stick out its paw to show where it is,

>

> quietly -- a pause from the drama that it is participating in with

>

> its hunting and stalking pastime.

>

> Similarly, treat these

> somewhat esoteric musings which to the

> pragmatist may sound like

> too philosophical and even meaningless, but

> I feel that we are

> more than technicians and at least some of us

> would need to sit

> back and put some thinking into what really

> connects these

> techniques and interpolations between the heavens and

> heavenly

> bodies out there and we all down here. Sceptics very quickly

> jump

> on there being no strong physical energy connections but maybe

> we

> all need to think and then look beyond the physical energies and

>

> connections. Even scientists are beginning to very gradually accept

a

> lot of what would have been considered superstition in their

> coffee-

> breaks only a few years ago!

>

> So what is

> it that keeps astrology's engine humming and purring

> happily?

>

> In your opinion and observations?

>

>

> Rohiniranjan

> Dear

> Rohiniranjan: 

>

> I think this question will always keep

> coming up until we understand COMPLETELY, exactly why astrology

truly does

> work!

>

> It is no different a question really then why do atoms

> work they way they do?

>

> Today, especially since we're in the

> middle of such a profound scientific age where we've developed such

great

> models for understanding every fabric of the universe; we should be

able

> to ask this question again, and again and find a deeply satisfying

> answer!

>

> For me, having studied Jyotish for over 22 years I

> can say most definitely that Astrology reall does work!

>

> I've

> done over 5,000 charts and each person so perfectly fits their

charts!

>

> In every way in which our charts fit us; this is a serious

> confirmation that the rules and laws of Astrology are really real!

>

>

> I now KNOW that the universe is astrological.  " We are

> astrological beings, living in an astrological universe! "

>

> Astrology can also be verified at any level, too.

>

> Take the

> Moon for example.  It represents how we feel, how emotionally stable

> or unhappy or happy we are.  The size, house and aspects to the Moon

> all express exactly where a person will be like emotionally from

their

> birth.

>

> Astrology, really, is no different than the modern

> science of Genetics which seeks to understand the inherent DNA that

we're

> each coming into this world with.

>

> Genetics is seeking to

> unravel the DNA code just so we can figure out exactly why some

people are

> strong emotionally and others not so much!

>

> But, the real

> purpose will be what can we do to strengthen those aspects of our

DNA

> which are not strong, balanced or healthy?

>

> Genetics is pure

> Astrology!

>

> The profundity of Astrology however, lies in its

> ancient wisdom.  Especially Jyotish which is intimately connected to

> all the remedial and remedies of Vedic knowledge including yoga,

> meditation, yaguas, Ayurveda and on and on; gives us the tools and

> techniques of self-development to change and improve, literally

unfolding

> our greater full potential.

>

> Astrology needs to move into a

> scientifc mode and the more we as professionals stand up for this

and make

> it more clear that Astrology is verifiable then Astrology will be

looked

> at more seriously.

>

> There are however, some other serious

> faults in the field of Astrology which are keeping serious minded,

> especially physicists to unravel exactly why Astrology works.

>

>

> My take on it, is that it probably lies in the unified field or sub-

atomic

> level that the realities, of Jyotish or Astrology reside.

>

>

> When one studies the Transits for example, which are out there, in

nature,

> the weather even, how each day feels is a direct correlation

between what

> the transiting stars are supposed to be doing.

>

> Yesterday, for

> example, the Moon was very big and moving towards it's Full Moon

> status.  Normally, this would be a very happy and profound Moonish

or

> emotioanl moment.

>

> However, this month and year, the

> all-important Sun was debilitated and in fact transiting the exact

degree

> in Libra (25) from where Saturn was fully aspecting from the 25th

degree

> of Leo.

>

> Jyotish, has one of its rules or we might start

> calling them 'laws' that Saturn is supposed to influence the 3rd

house

> from where it is.

>

> Every month the Moon and sometimes like

> now, even other planets move into that space which is that 3rd

House away

> rule.

>

> Therefore the prediction, even scientific prediction

> turned out true!

>

> Each moment of the Transits shows that the

> universe is living Astrology!

>

> In such days our every day

> experiences show us that these ideas and opinions of Astrology are

not

> fanciful or imagination but true, real and extremely profound.

>

>

> Let's take some examples.

>

> Let's see if people in

> this group can contribute to a short study and verification of the

Moon,

> as one example.

>

> I'd love to hear from people how their Moon

> configurations are indeed fitting them in a precise, verifiable and

even

> scientific emotional way!

>

> I'll start!

>

> When I was

> born, (Sept. 4,1951 11:17AM Kansas City, MO. US Libra Jyotish

rising) my

> Moon was only 3 days away from the Sun or a New Moon.

> My Moon, (26th

> degree in Virgo) was very close to my Sun (18th degree) in Leo.

> My

> Moon, therefore, was very small and in the 12th House with Saturn.

>

>

> All of the traditonal and classic ideas of my chart fit me

> exactly!

>

> I was very shy when I was young.  I was very

> self-conscious, emotionally unstable and weak in school as well as

my

> personal life.

>

> I was therefore naturally drawn even without

> knowing astrology to find some ways of improving this Moon

situation.

>

> Unfortunately, there were no good or powerful remedies in my

> early life; but when I went to college such things as meditation

and yoga

> were very popular.

>

> I ended up trying these and immediately,

> even within a few weeks I started feeling better emotionally.

>

>

> Now, 38 years of meditation and 22 years of practicing Jyotish have

> improved my Moon so much I can't even recognize myself.

>

> I'm

> not that shy, overly sensitive, vulnerable person emotionally!

>

> Our charts do fit us.

>

> And, the more we each stand up for

> and show the world that this is true, there will be those who

explain why

> the laws of nature work in this way.

>

> Though even scientists

> never are able to explain why God created the laws of nature in the

way

> that He/She did!

>

> Astrology, still is a perfect bridge to

> explain both the subjective and objective aspects of life.

>

>

> Our Astrology fits us subjectively.  Our charts explain why family

> members are the way they are and especially why their interactions

are the

> way they are; positive and negative.

>

> But, Jyotish or

> Astrology's real purpose is to help us #1 Know who we are and #2

Why we've

> come to this Earth...and even #3 Exactly what we can do to take

maximum

> advantage of our strengths (Benefices) and heal, balance and

literally

> transform all our malefics, also into strengths!

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> Nature's Astrology

> www..com

> (Presently under

> re-construction)

> /

>

>

>

>

>

>