2-Rohini_ & All: .....re: Digest Number 4040, #7 Why does Astrology w ork?

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8b. Re: 2-Roini_ranjan re: Digest Number 4040,

#7 " Why does Astrology work

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<http://profiles./rohinicrystal> Thu Nov

13, 2008 3:31 pm (PST) Dear Marc,

 

Thank you for taking so much time to write your long response. It was

a pity that for some reason the formatting came through in such a way

that it was difficult to follow easily

Dear Rohini:

 

So sorry to hear that. I'm sending a response here, via the group

instead. Hopefully

that'll be better.

 

However the bulk of your

writing seemed to be addressing the question, " Does jyotish work? " .

That was never the question or issue. We all know that already and

even after a few years of sincere study that becomes very apparent.

That is why people stay with jyotish as long as 22 years in your case

and even longer in many other cases :-)

 

That said, there was a somewhat confusing piece which I quote below:

" Now, 38 years of meditation and 22 years of practicing Jyotish have

> improved my Moon so much I can't even recognize myself.

>

> I'm

> not that shy, overly sensitive, vulnerable person emotionally!

>

> Our charts do fit us.

"

 

I am sure you would notice the controversy in your presentation! On

the one hand you are saying that people do fit their classical chart

description but at the same time you are saying that people can

change with remedies, yoga, meditation etc.

 

 

What I was trying to give expression to here was the fact that #1 Our

charts

really do fit us.

 

So, my chart when I was young really did fit the classic descriptions of

the

malefic ness of my Moon.

 

On the other hand, astrology is also about self-development and

self-improvement.

 

Therefore, practicing Yogic and meditation remedies and then 22 years of

Jyotish,

literally changed by chart!

 

And this is my point.

 

Not only our charts about our beginnings but about how and where we're

supposed

to improve ourselves,

 

If we don't do Jyotish remedies then we will very likely repeat the

gloom and doom

of our original birth charts.

 

But, predictions for me, based on my original birth chart do not affect

me nearly as

negatively as in the past.

 

 

 

By that what I am understanding is that people can change, despite

what their classical chart descriptions indicate! A shy person's

birthchart will not change but he or she can outgrow the shyness that

would be the classical description for the chart!

 

Yes. sort of. We can change any of the malefic situations in our

charts.

 

A so-called shy person's birth chart will not change, on paper, but

their

chart inside; or their nervous system, their personality, mind set, even

emotional nature can improve!

 

I think that is the general assumption and hope of such groups like

Jyotish

Remedies here.

 

But thanks for trying to address the issue that is certainly not

easy...!

 

Best wishes,

 

RR

 

You're very welcome. It's not only difficult to describe because the

whole, most

recent history of Jyotish like other vedic sciences is riddled with too

much fatalism.

 

My Guru, in fact, used to say: " If Jyotish was only about predicting

the dangers

on the horizon, then it might be better to not know what was coming. "

 

Therefore, astrology is all about helping us change our trends of time

and becoming

the un-developed person that's there inside of our charts.

 

Sincerely,

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

Nature's Astrology

www..com

(Temporarily under

re-construction)/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Mark,

 

Just posting one segment as opposed to the entire thread which has

really come through jumbled with strange characters such as:

 

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Not sure what is going on!

 

Anyway this is the portion I request you to concentrate on if

possible:

 

Mark Wrote:

> What I was trying to give expression to here was the fact that #1

Our charts really do fit us.

>

> So, my chart when I was young really did fit the classic

descriptions of the malefic ness of my Moon.

>

> On the other hand, astrology is also about self-development and

> self-improvement.

>

> Therefore, practicing Yogic and meditation remedies and then 22

years of Jyotish, literally changed by chart!

>

> And this is my point.

>

> Not only our charts about our beginnings but about how and where

we're supposed to improve ourselves,

>

 

========================

Mark,

 

I see your point but in that case an astrologer seeing your chart

when you were younger would have been correct about what they saw in

your chart. However, as you became more powerful with your meditation

etc the chart stopped fitting you any longer and an astrologer seeing

your chart would find that the " new and improved Mark Kincaid " does

not fit the chart anymore and they would start messing around with

your time to rectify your correct birthtime ;-)

 

So from your example you should have stated that the chart fits only

part of your lifetime! Does this mean that astrology now serves no

purpose in the life of people like you who have improved above and

beyond their original shy moon?

 

What has your experience in this area? How many of the thousands that

you saw the charts of have been so effective as your good self in

climbing above and beyond their stars? :-)

 

Rohiniranjan

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dear RRji

 

albeit your post is in response to the observations of markji, my

view is as follows since these queries prop up in minds of qurents:

 

in the palam of the hands of any native, the length and breadth of

the lines changes and the lines indicae the then nature of the

native. some signs and symbols too come and vanish. of course,

finger prints and the circles or snails in the upper phalange of the

fingers remain forever. if we see the same palm after say twenty

years, you may see a greatly improved palm with larger and thicker

lines with more clarity when the person has grown positively or the

decrease, waning or loss of length and thickness in the lines with

obfuscating nets and cuts and distortions when the native has fallen

negatively.

 

in face reading too, the face at birth changes over years and the

facereading is given by seeing the then looking face.

 

but in astrology, we keep referring the same old chart year after

year, even after 100 years or till the person dies. hence i have

added few more drivers of future other than the horoscope which i

have been narrating all these years. yes, the audited karmic balance

sheet of previous birth reflecting in the birthchart is reckoned but

the updation needs to be done manually considering various factors

which we cannot ignore. varshaphala, prashna chart etc. are few

astro tools to do these updations.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Mark,

>

> Just posting one segment as opposed to the entire thread which has

> really come through jumbled with strange characters such as:

>

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> Not sure what is going on!

>

> Anyway this is the portion I request you to concentrate on if

> possible:

>

> Mark Wrote:

> > What I was trying to give expression to here was the fact that #1

> Our charts really do fit us.

> >

> > So, my chart when I was young really did fit the classic

> descriptions of the malefic ness of my Moon.

> >

> > On the other hand, astrology is also about self-development and

> > self-improvement.

> >

> > Therefore, practicing Yogic and meditation remedies and then 22

> years of Jyotish, literally changed by chart!

> >

> > And this is my point.

> >

> > Not only our charts about our beginnings but about how and where

> we're supposed to improve ourselves,

> >

>

> ========================

> Mark,

>

> I see your point but in that case an astrologer seeing your chart

> when you were younger would have been correct about what they saw

in

> your chart. However, as you became more powerful with your

meditation

> etc the chart stopped fitting you any longer and an astrologer

seeing

> your chart would find that the " new and improved Mark Kincaid " does

> not fit the chart anymore and they would start messing around with

> your time to rectify your correct birthtime ;-)

>

> So from your example you should have stated that the chart fits

only

> part of your lifetime! Does this mean that astrology now serves no

> purpose in the life of people like you who have improved above and

> beyond their original shy moon?

>

> What has your experience in this area? How many of the thousands

that

> you saw the charts of have been so effective as your good self in

> climbing above and beyond their stars? :-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>