Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 dear friend yes, for those who cannot afford costly havans or wear affordable rudraksha, there are many simple, inhouse, inexpensive remedies doable as alternatives to these havans and you may consider any or all of the following for protection against prayogas: 1. recite gayatri mantra daily minimum 108 times 2. lit a lamp in the house both in the morning and in the evening 3. keep a photo of lord hanuman in every room on the wall 4. recite hanuman chalisa daily at night before sleeping 5. bring sindoor from lord hanuman idol on a tuesday and keep putting it little every day on the forehead 6. worship a small tulasi plant in your house balcony daily 7. keep seven red chillies stringed in a black thread and hang it at the middle of the entrance door 8. buy a tender green coconut full (without cutting or peeling) and tie it with a red thread equalent to the height of the native, revolve it thrice around your head and then throw backwards into any river. 9. in a small earthen vessel of the size of a small bowl or katori take fresh milk, revolve thrice around the native and then offer it to any dog. 10. offer boondi to at any hanuman temple for eight consecutive tuesdays. the above ten types of simple remedies does not involve any expense of not more than ten rupees and are easily doable even by the people below poverty line. there is a misunderstanding in some members that i prescribe remedies like havans which i never perform and the natives have to find a priest doing it locally on their own search and choice. similarly many natives think that i prescribe only rudraksha as remedies which is untrue. for example the 12mukh rudraksha recommended to this native comes only at 3,500 rupees. but if the native says he cannot afford this huge amount, i flood him with a flurry of free, zero expense or such remedies involving only meagre throwaway expense remedies. hence members must be happy about this forum that unlike doctor who prescribe only one medicine which the patient has to buy, here the astrologers prescribe numerous zero expense simple inhouse remedies doable by poorest people as well as those natives whose condition do not allow to do anything as they say. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraskharemedy.com , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > Thank you for sharing Panditji. Is there any mantras or gayatris one > can do if homam/havan is not doable i.e... in condition of not able > to do the homam? > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > tantra is not what is made out to be. anyway since this is a > > knowledge > > > sharing group, let me share with you that tantra is briefly > divided > > > into two types viz. dakshina chara and vama chara. dakshina > chara > > or > > > right hand tantra is satvik in nature and is most practiced by > the > > > traditional conservative people. vama chara or left hand tantra > is > > > tamasic in nature and is difficult to be practiced and hence is > not > > > advised. > > > > > > vedas have many verses where shat prayogas were mentioned and how > > to > > > get protected from them. prayogas are not known beforehand and > are > > > discovered only after they happen. > > > > > > pratyangira homam is supposed to be the best to ward off any > > prayogas > > > and sudarsana homam is the next best remedy. if you cannot > afford > > to > > > do these havans, wearing a rudraksha will protect from all > > invisible > > > creatures and prayogas as mentioned in the scriptures. 12mukh > > > rudraksha is the best rudraksha which works as a protective > shield > > to > > > the wearer from any prayogas. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Can anyone eloborate what this tantrik vidhya is? I am told by > > one of > > > > the astrologer that someone has done tantrik against me. I > would > > like > > > > to know what and how to know such thing and what are the > remedies > > for > > > > this nonsense tantrik " meli-vidhya " . > > > > > > > > thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 respected panditarjun ji                         kindly tell me the importance of use of 1 mukhi rudraksha which i owe,it being handedover by my ancestorssince 300 years,i.e this rudraksha is approx 300 years old; It is bean shaped without hole about 2-3 inches it has siva ling it revolves on copper plate so kindly guide me of its use  thanks and obliged            if informed to my email id.   RAVI MOHAN ________________________________ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Tuesday, 16 December, 2008 7:17:18 AM Re: Tantrik Vidhya dear friend yes, for those who cannot afford costly havans or wear affordable rudraksha, there are many simple, inhouse, inexpensive remedies doable as alternatives to these havans and you may consider any or all of the following for protection against prayogas: 1. recite gayatri mantra daily minimum 108 times 2. lit a lamp in the house both in the morning and in the evening 3. keep a photo of lord hanuman in every room on the wall 4. recite hanuman chalisa daily at night before sleeping 5. bring sindoor from lord hanuman idol on a tuesday and keep putting it little every day on the forehead 6. worship a small tulasi plant in your house balcony daily 7. keep seven red chillies stringed in a black thread and hang it at the middle of the entrance door 8. buy a tender green coconut full (without cutting or peeling) and tie it with a red thread equalent to the height of the native, revolve it thrice around your head and then throw backwards into any river. 9. in a small earthen vessel of the size of a small bowl or katori take fresh milk, revolve thrice around the native and then offer it to any dog. 10. offer boondi to at any hanuman temple for eight consecutive tuesdays. the above ten types of simple remedies does not involve any expense of not more than ten rupees and are easily doable even by the people below poverty line. there is a misunderstanding in some members that i prescribe remedies like havans which i never perform and the natives have to find a priest doing it locally on their own search and choice. similarly many natives think that i prescribe only rudraksha as remedies which is untrue. for example the 12mukh rudraksha recommended to this native comes only at 3,500 rupees. but if the native says he cannot afford this huge amount, i flood him with a flurry of free, zero expense or such remedies involving only meagre throwaway expense remedies. hence members must be happy about this forum that unlike doctor who prescribe only one medicine which the patient has to buy, here the astrologers prescribe numerous zero expense simple inhouse remedies doable by poorest people as well as those natives whose condition do not allow to do anything as they say. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraskharemedy .com , " Raja " <desi.raja@. ..> wrote: > > Thank you for sharing Panditji. Is there any mantras or gayatris one > can do if homam/havan is not doable i.e... in condition of not able > to do the homam? > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > tantra is not what is made out to be. anyway since this is a > > knowledge > > > sharing group, let me share with you that tantra is briefly > divided > > > into two types viz. dakshina chara and vama chara. dakshina > chara > > or > > > right hand tantra is satvik in nature and is most practiced by > the > > > traditional conservative people. vama chara or left hand tantra > is > > > tamasic in nature and is difficult to be practiced and hence is > not > > > advised. > > > > > > vedas have many verses where shat prayogas were mentioned and how > > to > > > get protected from them. prayogas are not known beforehand and > are > > > discovered only after they happen. > > > > > > pratyangira homam is supposed to be the best to ward off any > > prayogas > > > and sudarsana homam is the next best remedy. if you cannot > afford > > to > > > do these havans, wearing a rudraksha will protect from all > > invisible > > > creatures and prayogas as mentioned in the scriptures. 12mukh > > > rudraksha is the best rudraksha which works as a protective > shield > > to > > > the wearer from any prayogas. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Can anyone eloborate what this tantrik vidhya is? I am told by > > one of > > > > the astrologer that someone has done tantrik against me. I > would > > like > > > > to know what and how to know such thing and what are the > remedies > > for > > > > this nonsense tantrik " meli-vidhya " . > > > > > > > > thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 dear friend firstly i did not understand the several capital As in your mail. as regards the one mukhi rudraksha which you say that it has descended from your ancestors for three centuries and has no hole in it and is bean shaped and also has a shivling in it and you are owning it, you know better about it. as far as my limited knowledge on rudraksha goes, all rudraksha are and must be round in shape which conforms to all scriptural mentions. hence i do not comment on bean shaped, oval shaped, twinshaped or any other shaped rudrakhsas. no scripture ever mentions the shivling carving on a rudaksha and according to my experience, such carvings are made as fake ekmukh rudraksha especially in delhi, haridwar and other pilgrimage places. please do not misunderstand that i am talking about your rudraksha. as regards revoling on a copper plate on its own, i am neither aware nor heard of such feature till now. all i know is that when a fully round rudraksha is kept between two copper sheets or coins, it rotates mildly, not that it revolves vroooom like a pot. please visit sacred objects group in where there are fortunate people like you who have ek mukh rudraksha that performed miracles like you are seeing. one person sees his ek mukhi swimming against the tidal water and the other person finds the rudraksha placed at the bottom of a heap of thousands of rudraksha surfacing on to the top on its own. since my rudraksha are not performing any such miracles, you may kindly join the league of such prized miraculous rudraksha owners in that group and they would be able to help you in a better manner. i regret that i cannot help you any better than the above. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , bharti dc <bharti_dc wrote: > > respected panditarjun ji >                         kindly tell me the importance of use of 1 mukhi rudraksha which i owe,it being handedover by my ancestorssince 300 years,i.e this rudraksha is approx 300 years old; > It is bean shaped without hole about 2-3 inches > it has siva ling > it revolves on copper plate > so kindly guide me of its use >  > thanks and obliged            if informed to my email id. > >   RAVI MOHAN > > > > > ________________________________ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > > Tuesday, 16 December, 2008 7:17:18 AM > Re: Tantrik Vidhya > > > dear friend > > yes, for those who cannot afford costly havans or wear affordable > rudraksha, there are many simple, inhouse, inexpensive remedies > doable as alternatives to these havans and you may consider any or > all of the following for protection against prayogas: > > 1. recite gayatri mantra daily minimum 108 times > 2. lit a lamp in the house both in the morning and in the evening > 3. keep a photo of lord hanuman in every room on the wall > 4. recite hanuman chalisa daily at night before sleeping > 5. bring sindoor from lord hanuman idol on a tuesday and keep putting > it little every day on the forehead > 6. worship a small tulasi plant in your house balcony daily > 7. keep seven red chillies stringed in a black thread and hang it at > the middle of the entrance door > 8. buy a tender green coconut full (without cutting or peeling) and > tie it with a red thread equalent to the height of the native, > revolve it thrice around your head and then throw backwards into any > river. > 9. in a small earthen vessel of the size of a small bowl or katori > take fresh milk, revolve thrice around the native and then offer it > to any dog. > 10. offer boondi to at any hanuman temple for eight consecutive > tuesdays. > > the above ten types of simple remedies does not involve any expense > of not more than ten rupees and are easily doable even by the people > below poverty line. > > there is a misunderstanding in some members that i prescribe remedies > like havans which i never perform and the natives have to find a > priest doing it locally on their own search and choice. similarly > many natives think that i prescribe only rudraksha as remedies which > is untrue. for example the 12mukh rudraksha recommended to this > native comes only at 3,500 rupees. but if the native says he cannot > afford this huge amount, i flood him with a flurry of free, zero > expense or such remedies involving only meagre throwaway expense > remedies. > > hence members must be happy about this forum that unlike doctor who > prescribe only one medicine which the patient has to buy, here the > astrologers prescribe numerous zero expense simple inhouse remedies > doable by poorest people as well as those natives whose condition do > not allow to do anything as they say. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraskharemedy .com > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@ ..> wrote: > > > > Thank you for sharing Panditji. Is there any mantras or gayatris > one > > can do if homam/havan is not doable i.e... in condition of not > able > > to do the homam? > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > tantra is not what is made out to be. anyway since this is a > > > knowledge > > > > sharing group, let me share with you that tantra is briefly > > divided > > > > into two types viz. dakshina chara and vama chara. dakshina > > chara > > > or > > > > right hand tantra is satvik in nature and is most practiced by > > the > > > > traditional conservative people. vama chara or left hand > tantra > > is > > > > tamasic in nature and is difficult to be practiced and hence is > > not > > > > advised. > > > > > > > > vedas have many verses where shat prayogas were mentioned and > how > > > to > > > > get protected from them. prayogas are not known beforehand and > > are > > > > discovered only after they happen. > > > > > > > > pratyangira homam is supposed to be the best to ward off any > > > prayogas > > > > and sudarsana homam is the next best remedy. if you cannot > > afford > > > to > > > > do these havans, wearing a rudraksha will protect from all > > > invisible > > > > creatures and prayogas as mentioned in the scriptures. 12mukh > > > > rudraksha is the best rudraksha which works as a protective > > shield > > > to > > > > the wearer from any prayogas. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone eloborate what this tantrik vidhya is? I am told > by > > > one of > > > > > the astrologer that someone has done tantrik against me. I > > would > > > like > > > > > to know what and how to know such thing and what are the > > remedies > > > for > > > > > this nonsense tantrik " meli-vidhya " . > > > > > > > > > > thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Dear Pt Arjun Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam Thanks a lot for writing this and another message about Tantra and its remedies. I was very much skeptical about this Tantra, and I always thought that Tantra was the Vaam Char one. Both mails are very enlightened ones. Such messages are always welcome for ignorant people like us. Thanks a lot With regards Sushma , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friend > > yes, for those who cannot afford costly havans or wear affordable > rudraksha, there are many simple, inhouse, inexpensive remedies > doable as alternatives to these havans and you may consider any or > all of the following for protection against prayogas: > > 1. recite gayatri mantra daily minimum 108 times > 2. lit a lamp in the house both in the morning and in the evening > 3. keep a photo of lord hanuman in every room on the wall > 4. recite hanuman chalisa daily at night before sleeping > 5. bring sindoor from lord hanuman idol on a tuesday and keep putting > it little every day on the forehead > 6. worship a small tulasi plant in your house balcony daily > 7. keep seven red chillies stringed in a black thread and hang it at > the middle of the entrance door > 8. buy a tender green coconut full (without cutting or peeling) and > tie it with a red thread equalent to the height of the native, > revolve it thrice around your head and then throw backwards into any > river. > 9. in a small earthen vessel of the size of a small bowl or katori > take fresh milk, revolve thrice around the native and then offer it > to any dog. > 10. offer boondi to at any hanuman temple for eight consecutive > tuesdays. > > the above ten types of simple remedies does not involve any expense > of not more than ten rupees and are easily doable even by the people > below poverty line. > > there is a misunderstanding in some members that i prescribe remedies > like havans which i never perform and the natives have to find a > priest doing it locally on their own search and choice. similarly > many natives think that i prescribe only rudraksha as remedies which > is untrue. for example the 12mukh rudraksha recommended to this > native comes only at 3,500 rupees. but if the native says he cannot > afford this huge amount, i flood him with a flurry of free, zero > expense or such remedies involving only meagre throwaway expense > remedies. > > hence members must be happy about this forum that unlike doctor who > prescribe only one medicine which the patient has to buy, here the > astrologers prescribe numerous zero expense simple inhouse remedies > doable by poorest people as well as those natives whose condition do > not allow to do anything as they say. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraskharemedy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Dear Panditarjung  I am very delighted afterreading u r remedies pls help me on few details as u have written offer bundi tolord hanuman kindly explain as i stay in maharahstra here bundi is in two type one is salty and one is sweet which bundi tooffer tolord hanuman and how it will help all of us .pls tell me some rememdi which can help me to get good job in same way waiting for u r reply  Regards  AMAR --- On Tue, 16/12/08, panditarjun2004 <> wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Re: Tantrik Vidhya Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 5:52 AM dear friend firstly i did not understand the several capital As in your mail. as regards the one mukhi rudraksha which you say that it has descended from your ancestors for three centuries and has no hole in it and is bean shaped and also has a shivling in it and you are owning it, you know better about it. as far as my limited knowledge on rudraksha goes, all rudraksha are and must be round in shape which conforms to all scriptural mentions. hence i do not comment on bean shaped, oval shaped, twinshaped or any other shaped rudrakhsas. no scripture ever mentions the shivling carving on a rudaksha and according to my experience, such carvings are made as fake ekmukh rudraksha especially in delhi, haridwar and other pilgrimage places. please do not misunderstand that i am talking about your rudraksha. as regards revoling on a copper plate on its own, i am neither aware nor heard of such feature till now. all i know is that when a fully round rudraksha is kept between two copper sheets or coins, it rotates mildly, not that it revolves vroooom like a pot. please visit sacred objects group in where there are fortunate people like you who have ek mukh rudraksha that performed miracles like you are seeing. one person sees his ek mukhi swimming against the tidal water and the other person finds the rudraksha placed at the bottom of a heap of thousands of rudraksha surfacing on to the top on its own. since my rudraksha are not performing any such miracles, you may kindly join the league of such prized miraculous rudraksha owners in that group and they would be able to help you in a better manner. i regret that i cannot help you any better than the above. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com , bharti dc <bharti_dc@. ..> wrote: > > respected panditarjun ji >                     \     kindly tell me the importance of use of 1 mukhi rudraksha which i owe,it being handedover by my ancestorssince 300 years,i.e this rudraksha is approx 300 years old; > It is bean shaped without hole about 2-3 inches > it has siva ling > it revolves on copper plate > so kindly guide me of its use >  > thanks and obliged            if informed to my email id. > >   RAVI MOHAN > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > Tuesday, 16 December, 2008 7:17:18 AM > Re: Tantrik Vidhya > > > dear friend > > yes, for those who cannot afford costly havans or wear affordable > rudraksha, there are many simple, inhouse, inexpensive remedies > doable as alternatives to these havans and you may consider any or > all of the following for protection against prayogas: > > 1. recite gayatri mantra daily minimum 108 times > 2. lit a lamp in the house both in the morning and in the evening > 3. keep a photo of lord hanuman in every room on the wall > 4. recite hanuman chalisa daily at night before sleeping > 5. bring sindoor from lord hanuman idol on a tuesday and keep putting > it little every day on the forehead > 6. worship a small tulasi plant in your house balcony daily > 7. keep seven red chillies stringed in a black thread and hang it at > the middle of the entrance door > 8. buy a tender green coconut full (without cutting or peeling) and > tie it with a red thread equalent to the height of the native, > revolve it thrice around your head and then throw backwards into any > river. > 9. in a small earthen vessel of the size of a small bowl or katori > take fresh milk, revolve thrice around the native and then offer it > to any dog. > 10. offer boondi to at any hanuman temple for eight consecutive > tuesdays. > > the above ten types of simple remedies does not involve any expense > of not more than ten rupees and are easily doable even by the people > below poverty line. > > there is a misunderstanding in some members that i prescribe remedies > like havans which i never perform and the natives have to find a > priest doing it locally on their own search and choice. similarly > many natives think that i prescribe only rudraksha as remedies which > is untrue. for example the 12mukh rudraksha recommended to this > native comes only at 3,500 rupees. but if the native says he cannot > afford this huge amount, i flood him with a flurry of free, zero > expense or such remedies involving only meagre throwaway expense > remedies. > > hence members must be happy about this forum that unlike doctor who > prescribe only one medicine which the patient has to buy, here the > astrologers prescribe numerous zero expense simple inhouse remedies > doable by poorest people as well as those natives whose condition do > not allow to do anything as they say. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraskharemedy .com > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@ ..> wrote: > > > > Thank you for sharing Panditji. Is there any mantras or gayatris > one > > can do if homam/havan is not doable i.e... in condition of not > able > > to do the homam? > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > tantra is not what is made out to be. anyway since this is a > > > knowledge > > > > sharing group, let me share with you that tantra is briefly > > divided > > > > into two types viz. dakshina chara and vama chara. dakshina > > chara > > > or > > > > right hand tantra is satvik in nature and is most practiced by > > the > > > > traditional conservative people. vama chara or left hand > tantra > > is > > > > tamasic in nature and is difficult to be practiced and hence is > > not > > > > advised. > > > > > > > > vedas have many verses where shat prayogas were mentioned and > how > > > to > > > > get protected from them. prayogas are not known beforehand and > > are > > > > discovered only after they happen. > > > > > > > > pratyangira homam is supposed to be the best to ward off any > > > prayogas > > > > and sudarsana homam is the next best remedy. if you cannot > > afford > > > to > > > > do these havans, wearing a rudraksha will protect from all > > > invisible > > > > creatures and prayogas as mentioned in the scriptures. 12mukh > > > > rudraksha is the best rudraksha which works as a protective > > shield > > > to > > > > the wearer from any prayogas. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone eloborate what this tantrik vidhya is? I am told > by > > > one of > > > > > the astrologer that someone has done tantrik against me. I > > would > > > like > > > > > to know what and how to know such thing and what are the > > remedies > > > for > > > > > this nonsense tantrik " meli-vidhya " . > > > > > > > > > > thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 dear friends as elucidated by other members in their posts on the thread, natives may kindly note that tantra is a way of doing something and tantra itself is not something. gods, sages, saints, rakshasas, brahmins, doctors and all can learn various tantras. various ways of treating the patient is mentioned as tantras to cure from a disease. lord saibaba and jesus christ performed few tantra miracles to heal. reverred adi sanakara doing parakaya pravesa is a tantra. lord indra, various gods and evils creating spells are tantras. doing shat prayogas is also tantra. even uchistha ganapati upasana is also a tantra. there are many myths that tantra is bad and due to various movies, some people tend to beleive that tantriks are those who only do black magic. for example, i am a healer and my area of specialisation is exorcism i.e. removal of evils or evil possessions and bring relief to victims of blackmagic. as mentioned by other members in the thread, on a subtle level the positive and negative energies are two derivatives of the same source. it is like you have fire or electricity which you can use for good and bad applications. however, if anyone recalls my previous posts over the past few years, i have been consistently advising natives not to get interested in the occult studies and restrict to satvik simple divine holy remedies. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee wrote: > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Thanks a lot for writing this and another message about Tantra and > its remedies. I was very much skeptical about this Tantra, and I > always thought that Tantra was the Vaam Char one. Both mails are very > enlightened ones. Such messages are always welcome for ignorant > people like us. > > Thanks a lot > With regards > Sushma > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend > > > > yes, for those who cannot afford costly havans or wear affordable > > rudraksha, there are many simple, inhouse, inexpensive remedies > > doable as alternatives to these havans and you may consider any or > > all of the following for protection against prayogas: > > > > 1. recite gayatri mantra daily minimum 108 times > > 2. lit a lamp in the house both in the morning and in the evening > > 3. keep a photo of lord hanuman in every room on the wall > > 4. recite hanuman chalisa daily at night before sleeping > > 5. bring sindoor from lord hanuman idol on a tuesday and keep > putting > > it little every day on the forehead > > 6. worship a small tulasi plant in your house balcony daily > > 7. keep seven red chillies stringed in a black thread and hang it > at > > the middle of the entrance door > > 8. buy a tender green coconut full (without cutting or peeling) and > > tie it with a red thread equalent to the height of the native, > > revolve it thrice around your head and then throw backwards into > any > > river. > > 9. in a small earthen vessel of the size of a small bowl or katori > > take fresh milk, revolve thrice around the native and then offer it > > to any dog. > > 10. offer boondi to at any hanuman temple for eight consecutive > > tuesdays. > > > > the above ten types of simple remedies does not involve any expense > > of not more than ten rupees and are easily doable even by the > people > > below poverty line. > > > > there is a misunderstanding in some members that i prescribe > remedies > > like havans which i never perform and the natives have to find a > > priest doing it locally on their own search and choice. similarly > > many natives think that i prescribe only rudraksha as remedies > which > > is untrue. for example the 12mukh rudraksha recommended to this > > native comes only at 3,500 rupees. but if the native says he > cannot > > afford this huge amount, i flood him with a flurry of free, zero > > expense or such remedies involving only meagre throwaway expense > > remedies. > > > > hence members must be happy about this forum that unlike doctor who > > prescribe only one medicine which the patient has to buy, here the > > astrologers prescribe numerous zero expense simple inhouse remedies > > doable by poorest people as well as those natives whose condition > do > > not allow to do anything as they say. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraskharemedy.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Dea Pt Arjun JI Jaya Siyaa Raam Thanks again for explaining the Tantra more clearly. But one question more, if you don't mind - (1) What is that called when Taantrik attain Siddhi in Shamshaan Bhoomi, by using skulls, dead bodies, bones or dead animals like materials? I have heard that this kind of Siddhi demand some kind of sacrifice on the part of the Taantrik; and if the Taantrik is not able to give the Devee or the owner of that Siddhi which he or she demanded, that Devee or the owner kills the Taantrik himself. Is it true? And is it not that all these Siddhis which are attained like this using inauspicious materials are used for bad purpose. (2)But as you say that Dakshinaachaar Siddhis are good, I am sure they must be attained by using only Mantras and Yantras etc. Am I right in my thoughts? OR The first kind of Siddhis can also be used for good purpose? I am interested in Dakshinaachaar types of Siddhis which are attained by using Mantra Jaap or fasting etc Upaaya. Can you guide me about those ones? With all regards Sushma , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friends > > as elucidated by other members in their posts on the thread, natives > may kindly note that tantra is a way of doing something and tantra > itself is not something. > > gods, sages, saints, rakshasas, brahmins, doctors and all can learn > various tantras. > > various ways of treating the patient is mentioned as tantras to cure > from a disease. lord saibaba and jesus christ performed few tantra > miracles to heal. > > reverred adi sanakara doing parakaya pravesa is a tantra. > > lord indra, various gods and evils creating spells are tantras. > > doing shat prayogas is also tantra. even uchistha ganapati upasana > is also a tantra. > > there are many myths that tantra is bad and due to various movies, > some people tend to beleive that tantriks are those who only do black > magic. > > for example, i am a healer and my area of specialisation is exorcism > i.e. removal of evils or evil possessions and bring relief to victims > of blackmagic. > > as mentioned by other members in the thread, on a subtle level the > positive and negative energies are two derivatives of the same > source. it is like you have fire or electricity which you can use > for good and bad applications. > > however, if anyone recalls my previous posts over the past few years, > i have been consistently advising natives not to get interested in > the occult studies and restrict to satvik simple divine holy remedies. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " bhagvatjee " > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Thanks a lot for writing this and another message about Tantra and > > its remedies. I was very much skeptical about this Tantra, and I > > always thought that Tantra was the Vaam Char one. Both mails are > very > > enlightened ones. Such messages are always welcome for ignorant > > people like us. > > > > Thanks a lot > > With regards > > Sushma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 dear friend as regards the first query, i have neither gone through such things nor am interested in even learning those even for academic purpose. hence i have no knowledge and experience in this query. but it is safe to assume that out of 1001 sadhanas under vamachara, this shamshan sadhana is only one and all other sadhanas are sans burial grounds, skulls and bones as horrified in movies. as regards second query, yes you are correct that in dakshinachara, the ways and means of casting spells, doing prayogas, healing and other miracles are and can be learnt and performed by devatas, sages, kings, brahmins and all humans. answering to your query of the first siddhis using for good purposes, yes they can use them for good purposes but i prefer not to dwelve into this specific issue which i am not interested in. even the satvik tantra practices under dakshinachara learnt to do good to others are not to be easily mastered and it is my personal philosophy learnt from my gurus that these shall be taught only to lone persons who are not in samsara. others may disagree with this observation but i request them to kinldy spare me for preaching to teach only to single loners sans samsara as these are meant for doing good to the world at large for which the native must be ready to treat the whole world as his or her family instead of the few 2 or 3 members within four walls. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee wrote: > > Dea Pt Arjun JI > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Thanks again for explaining the Tantra more clearly. But one question > more, if you don't mind - > (1) What is that called when Taantrik attain Siddhi in Shamshaan > Bhoomi, by using skulls, dead bodies, bones or dead animals like > materials? I have heard that this kind of Siddhi demand some kind of > sacrifice on the part of the Taantrik; and if the Taantrik is not > able to give the Devee or the owner of that Siddhi which he or she > demanded, that Devee or the owner kills the Taantrik himself. Is it > true? And is it not that all these Siddhis which are attained like > this using inauspicious materials are used for bad purpose. > (2)But as you say that Dakshinaachaar Siddhis are good, I am sure > they must be attained by using only Mantras and Yantras etc. > > Am I right in my thoughts? OR The first kind of Siddhis can also be > used for good purpose? > > I am interested in Dakshinaachaar types of Siddhis which are attained > by using Mantra Jaap or fasting etc Upaaya. Can you guide me about > those ones? > With all regards > Sushma > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > as elucidated by other members in their posts on the thread, > natives > > may kindly note that tantra is a way of doing something and tantra > > itself is not something. > > > > gods, sages, saints, rakshasas, brahmins, doctors and all can learn > > various tantras. > > > > various ways of treating the patient is mentioned as tantras to > cure > > from a disease. lord saibaba and jesus christ performed few tantra > > miracles to heal. > > > > reverred adi sanakara doing parakaya pravesa is a tantra. > > > > lord indra, various gods and evils creating spells are tantras. > > > > doing shat prayogas is also tantra. even uchistha ganapati upasana > > is also a tantra. > > > > there are many myths that tantra is bad and due to various movies, > > some people tend to beleive that tantriks are those who only do > black > > magic. > > > > for example, i am a healer and my area of specialisation is > exorcism > > i.e. removal of evils or evil possessions and bring relief to > victims > > of blackmagic. > > > > as mentioned by other members in the thread, on a subtle level the > > positive and negative energies are two derivatives of the same > > source. it is like you have fire or electricity which you can use > > for good and bad applications. > > > > however, if anyone recalls my previous posts over the past few > years, > > i have been consistently advising natives not to get interested in > > the occult studies and restrict to satvik simple divine holy > remedies. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Thanks a lot for writing this and another message about Tantra > and > > > its remedies. I was very much skeptical about this Tantra, and I > > > always thought that Tantra was the Vaam Char one. Both mails are > > very > > > enlightened ones. Such messages are always welcome for ignorant > > > people like us. > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > With regards > > > Sushma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Arjunji, As an astrological aside, it would be interesting to study the configurations in a chart that may indicate a serious leaning towards the white vs black magic (right vs left) although some may insist that it is destined and not a voluntary pursuit. Black or white, I imagine true, all-consuming, one-pointed dedication would be required and such could be difficult for most grihasthas/worldly beings, so I can see the wisdom in your Guruji's insistence as to the appropriate patra for this vidya. RR , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friend > > as regards the first query, i have neither gone through such things > nor am interested in even learning those even for academic purpose. > hence i have no knowledge and experience in this query. but it is > safe to assume that out of 1001 sadhanas under vamachara, this > shamshan sadhana is only one and all other sadhanas are sans burial > grounds, skulls and bones as horrified in movies. > > as regards second query, yes you are correct that in dakshinachara, > the ways and means of casting spells, doing prayogas, healing and > other miracles are and can be learnt and performed by devatas, sages, > kings, brahmins and all humans. > > answering to your query of the first siddhis using for good purposes, > yes they can use them for good purposes but i prefer not to dwelve > into this specific issue which i am not interested in. > > even the satvik tantra practices under dakshinachara learnt to do > good to others are not to be easily mastered and it is my personal > philosophy learnt from my gurus that these shall be taught only to > lone persons who are not in samsara. others may disagree with this > observation but i request them to kinldy spare me for preaching to > teach only to single loners sans samsara as these are meant for doing > good to the world at large for which the native must be ready to > treat the whole world as his or her family instead of the few 2 or 3 > members within four walls. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " bhagvatjee " > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > Dea Pt Arjun JI > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Thanks again for explaining the Tantra more clearly. But one > question > > more, if you don't mind - > > (1) What is that called when Taantrik attain Siddhi in Shamshaan > > Bhoomi, by using skulls, dead bodies, bones or dead animals like > > materials? I have heard that this kind of Siddhi demand some kind > of > > sacrifice on the part of the Taantrik; and if the Taantrik is not > > able to give the Devee or the owner of that Siddhi which he or she > > demanded, that Devee or the owner kills the Taantrik himself. Is it > > true? And is it not that all these Siddhis which are attained like > > this using inauspicious materials are used for bad purpose. > > (2)But as you say that Dakshinaachaar Siddhis are good, I am sure > > they must be attained by using only Mantras and Yantras etc. > > > > Am I right in my thoughts? OR The first kind of Siddhis can also be > > used for good purpose? > > > > I am interested in Dakshinaachaar types of Siddhis which are > attained > > by using Mantra Jaap or fasting etc Upaaya. Can you guide me about > > those ones? > > With all regards > > Sushma > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > as elucidated by other members in their posts on the thread, > > natives > > > may kindly note that tantra is a way of doing something and > tantra > > > itself is not something. > > > > > > gods, sages, saints, rakshasas, brahmins, doctors and all can > learn > > > various tantras. > > > > > > various ways of treating the patient is mentioned as tantras to > > cure > > > from a disease. lord saibaba and jesus christ performed few > tantra > > > miracles to heal. > > > > > > reverred adi sanakara doing parakaya pravesa is a tantra. > > > > > > lord indra, various gods and evils creating spells are tantras. > > > > > > doing shat prayogas is also tantra. even uchistha ganapati > upasana > > > is also a tantra. > > > > > > there are many myths that tantra is bad and due to various > movies, > > > some people tend to beleive that tantriks are those who only do > > black > > > magic. > > > > > > for example, i am a healer and my area of specialisation is > > exorcism > > > i.e. removal of evils or evil possessions and bring relief to > > victims > > > of blackmagic. > > > > > > as mentioned by other members in the thread, on a subtle level > the > > > positive and negative energies are two derivatives of the same > > > source. it is like you have fire or electricity which you can > use > > > for good and bad applications. > > > > > > however, if anyone recalls my previous posts over the past few > > years, > > > i have been consistently advising natives not to get interested > in > > > the occult studies and restrict to satvik simple divine holy > > remedies. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > Thanks a lot for writing this and another message about Tantra > > and > > > > its remedies. I was very much skeptical about this Tantra, and > I > > > > always thought that Tantra was the Vaam Char one. Both mails > are > > > very > > > > enlightened ones. Such messages are always welcome for ignorant > > > > people like us. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > With regards > > > > Sushma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 dear RRji albeit unable to recollect any direct linking astro principles, in my experience, a strong rahu in any native gives inclination to learn occult practices and perform magics etc. a strong mars boosts the success in this dark field while a weak mars indicates failure. the capacity and capability to do white magic is aided by jupiter and or venus. here the success or failure is indicated by a strong or weak sun. as regards black magic or inflicting harm to others, even gods and devatas received curses for doing such things by the chaste wives of demons. here the law of karma is overimposed by the creation and imposition of something that does not exist either in fate or accrued due to karmas of the native. hence the doer of blackmagic squarely gets the results and punsihment for that. in white magic, my gurus taught that, since we are overimposing and absorbing the diseases and evils and sufferings etc. of natives, we do not face any punishment but are given extended energies to serve more. here too, knowing the patra is important, otherwise lord shiva granting a boon to bhasmasura and then running away from bhasmasura applies. though not perfect allegory, volunteers who serve freely in non profit organisations for nature (earth and enviornment) and helping the suffering etc. are also like healers who keep getting continued flow of energies as gifts of god. jesus did not find lepers as ostracised and found the same god in them and served and healed them. similarly adisanakara found shiva in chandala and prostrated at his feet in kashi. as you may remember in several old posts of mine, i have been preaching that a guru is only like a mirror to help the native find the god in him or her and the native shall treat guru only to that extent of a guide. otherwise natives get only guru realisation and fall behind in their goal of self or god realisation. such gurus who proclaim themselves as god and ask their disciples only to worship them and sing their bhajans are not gurus. if the native out of gratitude treats guru as god, it is up to him and as per the tenets of gurukula, in such cases, onus squarely lies on the guru to perform and deliver results to the natives. another reason why grihasthas are not recommended to learn tantra is that natives have bounden duties towards their dependants and it is like doing all shodasa upacharas to a diety installed at your house when you raise a family. here i respect the western in general and jewish in particular scientists who invented so many things for betterment of the world as healers like jesus, for they dedicated their lives for giving something to the world. we at india may boast of inventing ZERO, but the bulb, electricity, telephone, computer, aeroplane, train, car and all appliances are all invented by these great scientists from the west. similarly, learnt astrologers like you are helping natives find the rootcause of problems from within and teaching them not to find solutions elsewhere. when lord krishna says i am the creator, i am the preserver and i am the destroyer, natives shall apply the same to themselves. having said the above, advaita is for learnt or realised ones and dvaita is for all others. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Arjunji, > > As an astrological aside, it would be interesting to study the > configurations in a chart that may indicate a serious leaning towards > the white vs black magic (right vs left) although some may insist > that it is destined and not a voluntary pursuit. > > Black or white, I imagine true, all-consuming, one-pointed dedication > would be required and such could be difficult for most > grihasthas/worldly beings, so I can see the wisdom in your Guruji's > insistence as to the appropriate patra for this vidya. > > RR > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend > > > > as regards the first query, i have neither gone through such things > > nor am interested in even learning those even for academic > purpose. > > hence i have no knowledge and experience in this query. but it is > > safe to assume that out of 1001 sadhanas under vamachara, this > > shamshan sadhana is only one and all other sadhanas are sans burial > > grounds, skulls and bones as horrified in movies. > > > > as regards second query, yes you are correct that in dakshinachara, > > the ways and means of casting spells, doing prayogas, healing and > > other miracles are and can be learnt and performed by devatas, > sages, > > kings, brahmins and all humans. > > > > answering to your query of the first siddhis using for good > purposes, > > yes they can use them for good purposes but i prefer not to dwelve > > into this specific issue which i am not interested in. > > > > even the satvik tantra practices under dakshinachara learnt to do > > good to others are not to be easily mastered and it is my personal > > philosophy learnt from my gurus that these shall be taught only to > > lone persons who are not in samsara. others may disagree with this > > observation but i request them to kinldy spare me for preaching to > > teach only to single loners sans samsara as these are meant for > doing > > good to the world at large for which the native must be ready to > > treat the whole world as his or her family instead of the few 2 or > 3 > > members within four walls. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > Dea Pt Arjun JI > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Thanks again for explaining the Tantra more clearly. But one > > question > > > more, if you don't mind - > > > (1) What is that called when Taantrik attain Siddhi in Shamshaan > > > Bhoomi, by using skulls, dead bodies, bones or dead animals like > > > materials? I have heard that this kind of Siddhi demand some kind > > of > > > sacrifice on the part of the Taantrik; and if the Taantrik is not > > > able to give the Devee or the owner of that Siddhi which he or > she > > > demanded, that Devee or the owner kills the Taantrik himself. Is > it > > > true? And is it not that all these Siddhis which are attained > like > > > this using inauspicious materials are used for bad purpose. > > > (2)But as you say that Dakshinaachaar Siddhis are good, I am sure > > > they must be attained by using only Mantras and Yantras etc. > > > > > > Am I right in my thoughts? OR The first kind of Siddhis can also > be > > > used for good purpose? > > > > > > I am interested in Dakshinaachaar types of Siddhis which are > > attained > > > by using Mantra Jaap or fasting etc Upaaya. Can you guide me > about > > > those ones? > > > With all regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > as elucidated by other members in their posts on the thread, > > > natives > > > > may kindly note that tantra is a way of doing something and > > tantra > > > > itself is not something. > > > > > > > > gods, sages, saints, rakshasas, brahmins, doctors and all can > > learn > > > > various tantras. > > > > > > > > various ways of treating the patient is mentioned as tantras to > > > cure > > > > from a disease. lord saibaba and jesus christ performed few > > tantra > > > > miracles to heal. > > > > > > > > reverred adi sanakara doing parakaya pravesa is a tantra. > > > > > > > > lord indra, various gods and evils creating spells are tantras. > > > > > > > > doing shat prayogas is also tantra. even uchistha ganapati > > upasana > > > > is also a tantra. > > > > > > > > there are many myths that tantra is bad and due to various > > movies, > > > > some people tend to beleive that tantriks are those who only do > > > black > > > > magic. > > > > > > > > for example, i am a healer and my area of specialisation is > > > exorcism > > > > i.e. removal of evils or evil possessions and bring relief to > > > victims > > > > of blackmagic. > > > > > > > > as mentioned by other members in the thread, on a subtle level > > the > > > > positive and negative energies are two derivatives of the same > > > > source. it is like you have fire or electricity which you can > > use > > > > for good and bad applications. > > > > > > > > however, if anyone recalls my previous posts over the past few > > > years, > > > > i have been consistently advising natives not to get interested > > in > > > > the occult studies and restrict to satvik simple divine holy > > > remedies. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > Thanks a lot for writing this and another message about > Tantra > > > and > > > > > its remedies. I was very much skeptical about this Tantra, > and > > I > > > > > always thought that Tantra was the Vaam Char one. Both mails > > are > > > > very > > > > > enlightened ones. Such messages are always welcome for > ignorant > > > > > people like us. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > > With regards > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Dear Pt Arjun Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam Thanks for your reply. I cannot give you the number of Saadhanaa like yourself as I am not the specialist in these things; and I am not such a woman also who can believe on the events shown in movies; but surely I have faith in our scriptures. I don't remember the name of the Puraan I was reading, but I read in a Puraan a dialog between Lord Shiv and Paarvatee Jee upon this Vaamaachaar kind of Siddhis. I think some two-three chapters are given on this topic. So it means that Lord Shiv himself has said this to Paarvatee Jee. But I am not interested in this kind of things. I am interested in Mantra kind of Siddhis. I am interested in doing good to others not to my own family members. I am not a Grihasthee, but I am a 65 years old woman and I have nothing to do with a Grihasth duties. If you are aware of such Guru who can teach me this, I will try to learn this. Presently I am living in the US but for this I will come to India and do this if feasible, as I am a bit handicapped. Please let me know what do you think about this? With regards Sushma , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friend > > as regards the first query, i have neither gone through such things > nor am interested in even learning those even for academic purpose. > hence i have no knowledge and experience in this query. but it is > safe to assume that out of 1001 sadhanas under vamachara, this > shamshan sadhana is only one and all other sadhanas are sans burial > grounds, skulls and bones as horrified in movies. > > as regards second query, yes you are correct that in dakshinachara, > the ways and means of casting spells, doing prayogas, healing and > other miracles are and can be learnt and performed by devatas, sages, > kings, brahmins and all humans. > > answering to your query of the first siddhis using for good purposes, > yes they can use them for good purposes but i prefer not to dwelve > into this specific issue which i am not interested in. > > even the satvik tantra practices under dakshinachara learnt to do > good to others are not to be easily mastered and it is my personal > philosophy learnt from my gurus that these shall be taught only to > lone persons who are not in samsara. others may disagree with this > observation but i request them to kinldy spare me for preaching to > teach only to single loners sans samsara as these are meant for doing > good to the world at large for which the native must be ready to > treat the whole world as his or her family instead of the few 2 or 3 > members within four walls. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " bhagvatjee " > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > Dea Pt Arjun JI > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Thanks again for explaining the Tantra more clearly. But one > question > > more, if you don't mind - > > (1) What is that called when Taantrik attain Siddhi in Shamshaan > > Bhoomi, by using skulls, dead bodies, bones or dead animals like > > materials? I have heard that this kind of Siddhi demand some kind > of > > sacrifice on the part of the Taantrik; and if the Taantrik is not > > able to give the Devee or the owner of that Siddhi which he or she > > demanded, that Devee or the owner kills the Taantrik himself. Is it > > true? And is it not that all these Siddhis which are attained like > > this using inauspicious materials are used for bad purpose. > > (2)But as you say that Dakshinaachaar Siddhis are good, I am sure > > they must be attained by using only Mantras and Yantras etc. > > > > Am I right in my thoughts? OR The first kind of Siddhis can also be > > used for good purpose? > > > > I am interested in Dakshinaachaar types of Siddhis which are > attained > > by using Mantra Jaap or fasting etc Upaaya. Can you guide me about > > those ones? > > With all regards > > Sushma > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > as elucidated by other members in their posts on the thread, > > natives > > > may kindly note that tantra is a way of doing something and > tantra > > > itself is not something. > > > > > > gods, sages, saints, rakshasas, brahmins, doctors and all can > learn > > > various tantras. > > > > > > various ways of treating the patient is mentioned as tantras to > > cure > > > from a disease. lord saibaba and jesus christ performed few > tantra > > > miracles to heal. > > > > > > reverred adi sanakara doing parakaya pravesa is a tantra. > > > > > > lord indra, various gods and evils creating spells are tantras. > > > > > > doing shat prayogas is also tantra. even uchistha ganapati > upasana > > > is also a tantra. > > > > > > there are many myths that tantra is bad and due to various > movies, > > > some people tend to beleive that tantriks are those who only do > > black > > > magic. > > > > > > for example, i am a healer and my area of specialisation is > > exorcism > > > i.e. removal of evils or evil possessions and bring relief to > > victims > > > of blackmagic. > > > > > > as mentioned by other members in the thread, on a subtle level > the > > > positive and negative energies are two derivatives of the same > > > source. it is like you have fire or electricity which you can > use > > > for good and bad applications. > > > > > > however, if anyone recalls my previous posts over the past few > > years, > > > i have been consistently advising natives not to get interested > in > > > the occult studies and restrict to satvik simple divine holy > > remedies. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > Thanks a lot for writing this and another message about Tantra > > and > > > > its remedies. I was very much skeptical about this Tantra, and > I > > > > always thought that Tantra was the Vaam Char one. Both mails > are > > > very > > > > enlightened ones. Such messages are always welcome for ignorant > > > > people like us. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > With regards > > > > Sushma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Dear All, Do not get into the remedies that involve taamsic or negative things. They are often quick and produce immediate results, but in long term they harm you more. As a analogy, it can be thought as that if a player is playing on the field and gets hurt, the doctor can apply anesthetic that will produce the effect if pain is not there (but injury is there), so player for a short moment can concentrate on his game. His injury may worsen if he plays more, but for the moment he cannot feel the pain (though it is there). After the game is over and once the effect of that anesthetic is gone, he may need longer time to recover from injury. Taamsic remedies work in the same way. They are short term and do harm in long run. Mantras, Fasting, Yajna etc takes time to produce positive results but they are long term and to your karma as well. Regards, Neeraj Gupta --- On Sat, 12/20/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee Re: Tantrik Vidhya Saturday, December 20, 2008, 10:18 PM Dear Pt Arjun Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam Thanks for your reply. I cannot give you the number of Saadhanaa like yourself as I am not the specialist in these things; and I am not such a woman also who can believe on the events shown in movies; but surely I have faith in our scriptures. I don't remember the name of the Puraan I was reading, but I read in a Puraan a dialog between Lord Shiv and Paarvatee Jee upon this Vaamaachaar kind of Siddhis. I think some two-three chapters are given on this topic. So it means that Lord Shiv himself has said this to Paarvatee Jee. But I am not interested in this kind of things. I am interested in Mantra kind of Siddhis. I am interested in doing good to others not to my own family members. I am not a Grihasthee, but I am a 65 years old woman and I have nothing to do with a Grihasth duties. If you are aware of such Guru who can teach me this, I will try to learn this. Presently I am living in the US but for this I will come to India and do this if feasible, as I am a bit handicapped. Please let me know what do you think about this? With regards Sushma , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > dear friend > > as regards the first query, i have neither gone through such things > nor am interested in even learning those even for academic purpose. > hence i have no knowledge and experience in this query. but it is > safe to assume that out of 1001 sadhanas under vamachara, this > shamshan sadhana is only one and all other sadhanas are sans burial > grounds, skulls and bones as horrified in movies. > > as regards second query, yes you are correct that in dakshinachara, > the ways and means of casting spells, doing prayogas, healing and > other miracles are and can be learnt and performed by devatas, sages, > kings, brahmins and all humans. > > answering to your query of the first siddhis using for good purposes, > yes they can use them for good purposes but i prefer not to dwelve > into this specific issue which i am not interested in. > > even the satvik tantra practices under dakshinachara learnt to do > good to others are not to be easily mastered and it is my personal > philosophy learnt from my gurus that these shall be taught only to > lone persons who are not in samsara. others may disagree with this > observation but i request them to kinldy spare me for preaching to > teach only to single loners sans samsara as these are meant for doing > good to the world at large for which the native must be ready to > treat the whole world as his or her family instead of the few 2 or 3 > members within four walls. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > , " bhagvatjee " > <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > Dea Pt Arjun JI > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Thanks again for explaining the Tantra more clearly. But one > question > > more, if you don't mind - > > (1) What is that called when Taantrik attain Siddhi in Shamshaan > > Bhoomi, by using skulls, dead bodies, bones or dead animals like > > materials? I have heard that this kind of Siddhi demand some kind > of > > sacrifice on the part of the Taantrik; and if the Taantrik is not > > able to give the Devee or the owner of that Siddhi which he or she > > demanded, that Devee or the owner kills the Taantrik himself. Is it > > true? And is it not that all these Siddhis which are attained like > > this using inauspicious materials are used for bad purpose. > > (2)But as you say that Dakshinaachaar Siddhis are good, I am sure > > they must be attained by using only Mantras and Yantras etc. > > > > Am I right in my thoughts? OR The first kind of Siddhis can also be > > used for good purpose? > > > > I am interested in Dakshinaachaar types of Siddhis which are > attained > > by using Mantra Jaap or fasting etc Upaaya. Can you guide me about > > those ones? > > With all regards > > Sushma > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > as elucidated by other members in their posts on the thread, > > natives > > > may kindly note that tantra is a way of doing something and > tantra > > > itself is not something. > > > > > > gods, sages, saints, rakshasas, brahmins, doctors and all can > learn > > > various tantras. > > > > > > various ways of treating the patient is mentioned as tantras to > > cure > > > from a disease. lord saibaba and jesus christ performed few > tantra > > > miracles to heal. > > > > > > reverred adi sanakara doing parakaya pravesa is a tantra. > > > > > > lord indra, various gods and evils creating spells are tantras. > > > > > > doing shat prayogas is also tantra. even uchistha ganapati > upasana > > > is also a tantra. > > > > > > there are many myths that tantra is bad and due to various > movies, > > > some people tend to beleive that tantriks are those who only do > > black > > > magic. > > > > > > for example, i am a healer and my area of specialisation is > > exorcism > > > i.e. removal of evils or evil possessions and bring relief to > > victims > > > of blackmagic. > > > > > > as mentioned by other members in the thread, on a subtle level > the > > > positive and negative energies are two derivatives of the same > > > source. it is like you have fire or electricity which you can > use > > > for good and bad applications. > > > > > > however, if anyone recalls my previous posts over the past few > > years, > > > i have been consistently advising natives not to get interested > in > > > the occult studies and restrict to satvik simple divine holy > > remedies. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > > <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > Thanks a lot for writing this and another message about Tantra > > and > > > > its remedies. I was very much skeptical about this Tantra, and > I > > > > always thought that Tantra was the Vaam Char one. Both mails > are > > > very > > > > enlightened ones. Such messages are always welcome for ignorant > > > > people like us. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > With regards > > > > Sushma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 dear friend what you heard is correct. lord shiva is the head of bhoota ganas and is called bhootanath. there is a famous shivling in north india where ash from the burial ground is brought and smeared to the shivling. naga sadhus, who are ardent devotees of lord shiva, too smear ash on their bodies and they enjoy highest respect in protocol and are the first people to have bath in all kumbh melas etc. there are many tantras revealed by lord shiva and even some forms of kali, chamunda, bagalamukhi are worshipped in tantra. nice to note that you have intentions to learn mantra siddhis and tantra siddhis through satvik mantras with an objective to help the world at large. firstly you may learn the very simple sri vidya upasana from any local priest and then you can take up learning further upasanas and sadhanas. you need not visit india for this purpose and there are many learnt gurus and swamis in usa itself but i cannot recommend names as i have little or no knowledge of such people in usa. it is the duty of the god to maintain the selfless service people for the cause of serving the world at large and you would surely find right people and will do a great service to the society. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee wrote: > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Thanks for your reply. I cannot give you the number of Saadhanaa like > yourself as I am not the specialist in these things; and I am not > such a woman also who can believe on the events shown in movies; but > surely I have faith in our scriptures. I don't remember the name of > the Puraan I was reading, but I read in a Puraan a dialog between > Lord Shiv and Paarvatee Jee upon this Vaamaachaar kind of Siddhis. I > think some two-three chapters are given on this topic. So it means > that Lord Shiv himself has said this to Paarvatee Jee. > > But I am not interested in this kind of things. I am interested in > Mantra kind of Siddhis. I am interested in doing good to others not > to my own family members. I am not a Grihasthee, but I am a 65 years > old woman and I have nothing to do with a Grihasth duties. > > If you are aware of such Guru who can teach me this, I will try to > learn this. Presently I am living in the US but for this I will come > to India and do this if feasible, as I am a bit handicapped. > > Please let me know what do you think about this? > With regards > Sushma > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend > > > > as regards the first query, i have neither gone through such things > > nor am interested in even learning those even for academic > purpose. > > hence i have no knowledge and experience in this query. but it is > > safe to assume that out of 1001 sadhanas under vamachara, this > > shamshan sadhana is only one and all other sadhanas are sans burial > > grounds, skulls and bones as horrified in movies. > > > > as regards second query, yes you are correct that in dakshinachara, > > the ways and means of casting spells, doing prayogas, healing and > > other miracles are and can be learnt and performed by devatas, > sages, > > kings, brahmins and all humans. > > > > answering to your query of the first siddhis using for good > purposes, > > yes they can use them for good purposes but i prefer not to dwelve > > into this specific issue which i am not interested in. > > > > even the satvik tantra practices under dakshinachara learnt to do > > good to others are not to be easily mastered and it is my personal > > philosophy learnt from my gurus that these shall be taught only to > > lone persons who are not in samsara. others may disagree with this > > observation but i request them to kinldy spare me for preaching to > > teach only to single loners sans samsara as these are meant for > doing > > good to the world at large for which the native must be ready to > > treat the whole world as his or her family instead of the few 2 or > 3 > > members within four walls. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > Dea Pt Arjun JI > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Thanks again for explaining the Tantra more clearly. But one > > question > > > more, if you don't mind - > > > (1) What is that called when Taantrik attain Siddhi in Shamshaan > > > Bhoomi, by using skulls, dead bodies, bones or dead animals like > > > materials? I have heard that this kind of Siddhi demand some kind > > of > > > sacrifice on the part of the Taantrik; and if the Taantrik is not > > > able to give the Devee or the owner of that Siddhi which he or > she > > > demanded, that Devee or the owner kills the Taantrik himself. Is > it > > > true? And is it not that all these Siddhis which are attained > like > > > this using inauspicious materials are used for bad purpose. > > > (2)But as you say that Dakshinaachaar Siddhis are good, I am sure > > > they must be attained by using only Mantras and Yantras etc. > > > > > > Am I right in my thoughts? OR The first kind of Siddhis can also > be > > > used for good purpose? > > > > > > I am interested in Dakshinaachaar types of Siddhis which are > > attained > > > by using Mantra Jaap or fasting etc Upaaya. Can you guide me > about > > > those ones? > > > With all regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > as elucidated by other members in their posts on the thread, > > > natives > > > > may kindly note that tantra is a way of doing something and > > tantra > > > > itself is not something. > > > > > > > > gods, sages, saints, rakshasas, brahmins, doctors and all can > > learn > > > > various tantras. > > > > > > > > various ways of treating the patient is mentioned as tantras to > > > cure > > > > from a disease. lord saibaba and jesus christ performed few > > tantra > > > > miracles to heal. > > > > > > > > reverred adi sanakara doing parakaya pravesa is a tantra. > > > > > > > > lord indra, various gods and evils creating spells are tantras. > > > > > > > > doing shat prayogas is also tantra. even uchistha ganapati > > upasana > > > > is also a tantra. > > > > > > > > there are many myths that tantra is bad and due to various > > movies, > > > > some people tend to beleive that tantriks are those who only do > > > black > > > > magic. > > > > > > > > for example, i am a healer and my area of specialisation is > > > exorcism > > > > i.e. removal of evils or evil possessions and bring relief to > > > victims > > > > of blackmagic. > > > > > > > > as mentioned by other members in the thread, on a subtle level > > the > > > > positive and negative energies are two derivatives of the same > > > > source. it is like you have fire or electricity which you can > > use > > > > for good and bad applications. > > > > > > > > however, if anyone recalls my previous posts over the past few > > > years, > > > > i have been consistently advising natives not to get interested > > in > > > > the occult studies and restrict to satvik simple divine holy > > > remedies. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > Thanks a lot for writing this and another message about > Tantra > > > and > > > > > its remedies. I was very much skeptical about this Tantra, > and > > I > > > > > always thought that Tantra was the Vaam Char one. Both mails > > are > > > > very > > > > > enlightened ones. Such messages are always welcome for > ignorant > > > > > people like us. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > > With regards > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Dear Neeraj ji, Your sage advice was very much appreciated particularly since this is a public forum and where unfortunately or fortunately such vidyas and s as Tantra cannot be delved into too deeply due to the nature of the field and subject. An ounce of prevention is worth lifetimes of cure, as they say! However, please allow me to bring up a question that keeps coming up in astrological circles. Very serious and sincere jyotishis have indicated from time to time that all or mostly anyway -- our lives are destined and there is little room for free-will. They further insist that even remedials are destined and only if one is destined to improve would the remedial be received by the individual and practiced. If that is the verity then one may wonder if the path of tantra, high or low, left or right, white or black must also be predestined. What has been your observations and contemplations on that angle of the matter? Please let me clarify -- I am not asking this just to invoke arguments but am sincerely perplexed by this line of thinking. My personal view as often stated would be otherwise, namely that we do make certain choices and the option to act, though limited, is accorded to us by the phenomenon of lifetimes and rebirth which are subservient to the Law of KArMA. Rohiniranjan , Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote: > > Dear All, > > Do not get into the remedies that involve taamsic or negative things. They are often quick and produce immediate results, but in long term they harm you more. > > As a analogy, it can be thought as that if a player is playing on the field and gets hurt, the doctor can apply anesthetic that will produce the effect if pain is not there (but injury is there), so player for a short moment can concentrate on his game. His injury may worsen if he plays more, but for the moment he cannot feel the pain (though it is there). After the game is over and once the effect of that anesthetic is gone, he may need longer time to recover from injury. > > Taamsic remedies work in the same way. They are short term and do harm in long run. Mantras, Fasting, Yajna etc takes time to produce positive results but they are long term and to your karma as well. > > Regards, > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > --- On Sat, 12/20/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee > Re: Tantrik Vidhya > > Saturday, December 20, 2008, 10:18 PM Dear Pt Arjun Ji > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Thanks for your reply. I cannot give you the number of Saadhanaa like > yourself as I am not the specialist in these things; and I am not > such a woman also who can believe on the events shown in movies; but > surely I have faith in our scriptures. I don't remember the name of > the Puraan I was reading, but I read in a Puraan a dialog between > Lord Shiv and Paarvatee Jee upon this Vaamaachaar kind of Siddhis. I > think some two-three chapters are given on this topic. So it means > that Lord Shiv himself has said this to Paarvatee Jee. > > But I am not interested in this kind of things. I am interested in > Mantra kind of Siddhis. I am interested in doing good to others not > to my own family members. I am not a Grihasthee, but I am a 65 years > old woman and I have nothing to do with a Grihasth duties. > > If you are aware of such Guru who can teach me this, I will try to > learn this. Presently I am living in the US but for this I will come > to India and do this if feasible, as I am a bit handicapped. > > Please let me know what do you think about this? > With regards > Sushma > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > dear friend > > > > as regards the first query, i have neither gone through such things > > nor am interested in even learning those even for academic > purpose. > > hence i have no knowledge and experience in this query. but it is > > safe to assume that out of 1001 sadhanas under vamachara, this > > shamshan sadhana is only one and all other sadhanas are sans burial > > grounds, skulls and bones as horrified in movies. > > > > as regards second query, yes you are correct that in dakshinachara, > > the ways and means of casting spells, doing prayogas, healing and > > other miracles are and can be learnt and performed by devatas, > sages, > > kings, brahmins and all humans. > > > > answering to your query of the first siddhis using for good > purposes, > > yes they can use them for good purposes but i prefer not to dwelve > > into this specific issue which i am not interested in. > > > > even the satvik tantra practices under dakshinachara learnt to do > > good to others are not to be easily mastered and it is my personal > > philosophy learnt from my gurus that these shall be taught only to > > lone persons who are not in samsara. others may disagree with this > > observation but i request them to kinldy spare me for preaching to > > teach only to single loners sans samsara as these are meant for > doing > > good to the world at large for which the native must be ready to > > treat the whole world as his or her family instead of the few 2 or > 3 > > members within four walls. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dea Pt Arjun JI > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Thanks again for explaining the Tantra more clearly. But one > > question > > > more, if you don't mind - > > > (1) What is that called when Taantrik attain Siddhi in Shamshaan > > > Bhoomi, by using skulls, dead bodies, bones or dead animals like > > > materials? I have heard that this kind of Siddhi demand some kind > > of > > > sacrifice on the part of the Taantrik; and if the Taantrik is not > > > able to give the Devee or the owner of that Siddhi which he or > she > > > demanded, that Devee or the owner kills the Taantrik himself. Is > it > > > true? And is it not that all these Siddhis which are attained > like > > > this using inauspicious materials are used for bad purpose. > > > (2)But as you say that Dakshinaachaar Siddhis are good, I am sure > > > they must be attained by using only Mantras and Yantras etc. > > > > > > Am I right in my thoughts? OR The first kind of Siddhis can also > be > > > used for good purpose? > > > > > > I am interested in Dakshinaachaar types of Siddhis which are > > attained > > > by using Mantra Jaap or fasting etc Upaaya. Can you guide me > about > > > those ones? > > > With all regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > as elucidated by other members in their posts on the thread, > > > natives > > > > may kindly note that tantra is a way of doing something and > > tantra > > > > itself is not something. > > > > > > > > gods, sages, saints, rakshasas, brahmins, doctors and all can > > learn > > > > various tantras. > > > > > > > > various ways of treating the patient is mentioned as tantras to > > > cure > > > > from a disease. lord saibaba and jesus christ performed few > > tantra > > > > miracles to heal. > > > > > > > > reverred adi sanakara doing parakaya pravesa is a tantra. > > > > > > > > lord indra, various gods and evils creating spells are tantras. > > > > > > > > doing shat prayogas is also tantra. even uchistha ganapati > > upasana > > > > is also a tantra. > > > > > > > > there are many myths that tantra is bad and due to various > > movies, > > > > some people tend to beleive that tantriks are those who only do > > > black > > > > magic. > > > > > > > > for example, i am a healer and my area of specialisation is > > > exorcism > > > > i.e. removal of evils or evil possessions and bring relief to > > > victims > > > > of blackmagic. > > > > > > > > as mentioned by other members in the thread, on a subtle level > > the > > > > positive and negative energies are two derivatives of the same > > > > source. it is like you have fire or electricity which you can > > use > > > > for good and bad applications. > > > > > > > > however, if anyone recalls my previous posts over the past few > > > years, > > > > i have been consistently advising natives not to get interested > > in > > > > the occult studies and restrict to satvik simple divine holy > > > remedies. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > > > <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > Thanks a lot for writing this and another message about > Tantra > > > and > > > > > its remedies. I was very much skeptical about this Tantra, > and > > I > > > > > always thought that Tantra was the Vaam Char one. Both mails > > are > > > > very > > > > > enlightened ones. Such messages are always welcome for > ignorant > > > > > people like us. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > > With regards > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Thanks Pt Arjun Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam Thanks for guiding me. I will try to look for a Pt wh can guide me through Sri Vidyaa Upaasanaa. Is this not among Dash Vidyaa Upaasanaa? With regards Sushma , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friend > > what you heard is correct. lord shiva is the head of bhoota ganas > and is called bhootanath. there is a famous shivling in north india > where ash from the burial ground is brought and smeared to the > shivling. naga sadhus, who are ardent devotees of lord shiva, too > smear ash on their bodies and they enjoy highest respect in protocol > and are the first people to have bath in all kumbh melas etc. > > there are many tantras revealed by lord shiva and even some forms of > kali, chamunda, bagalamukhi are worshipped in tantra. > > nice to note that you have intentions to learn mantra siddhis and > tantra siddhis through satvik mantras with an objective to help the > world at large. > > firstly you may learn the very simple sri vidya upasana from any > local priest and then you can take up learning further upasanas and > sadhanas. > > you need not visit india for this purpose and there are many learnt > gurus and swamis in usa itself but i cannot recommend names as i have > little or no knowledge of such people in usa. > > it is the duty of the god to maintain the selfless service people for > the cause of serving the world at large and you would surely find > right people and will do a great service to the society. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " bhagvatjee " > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Thanks for your reply. I cannot give you the number of Saadhanaa > like > > yourself as I am not the specialist in these things; and I am not > > such a woman also who can believe on the events shown in movies; > but > > surely I have faith in our scriptures. I don't remember the name of > > the Puraan I was reading, but I read in a Puraan a dialog between > > Lord Shiv and Paarvatee Jee upon this Vaamaachaar kind of Siddhis. > I > > think some two-three chapters are given on this topic. So it means > > that Lord Shiv himself has said this to Paarvatee Jee. > > > > But I am not interested in this kind of things. I am interested in > > Mantra kind of Siddhis. I am interested in doing good to others not > > to my own family members. I am not a Grihasthee, but I am a 65 > years > > old woman and I have nothing to do with a Grihasth duties. > > > > If you are aware of such Guru who can teach me this, I will try to > > learn this. Presently I am living in the US but for this I will > come > > to India and do this if feasible, as I am a bit handicapped. > > > > Please let me know what do you think about this? > > With regards > > Sushma > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > as regards the first query, i have neither gone through such > things > > > nor am interested in even learning those even for academic > > purpose. > > > hence i have no knowledge and experience in this query. but it > is > > > safe to assume that out of 1001 sadhanas under vamachara, this > > > shamshan sadhana is only one and all other sadhanas are sans > burial > > > grounds, skulls and bones as horrified in movies. > > > > > > as regards second query, yes you are correct that in > dakshinachara, > > > the ways and means of casting spells, doing prayogas, healing and > > > other miracles are and can be learnt and performed by devatas, > > sages, > > > kings, brahmins and all humans. > > > > > > answering to your query of the first siddhis using for good > > purposes, > > > yes they can use them for good purposes but i prefer not to > dwelve > > > into this specific issue which i am not interested in. > > > > > > even the satvik tantra practices under dakshinachara learnt to do > > > good to others are not to be easily mastered and it is my > personal > > > philosophy learnt from my gurus that these shall be taught only > to > > > lone persons who are not in samsara. others may disagree with > this > > > observation but i request them to kinldy spare me for preaching > to > > > teach only to single loners sans samsara as these are meant for > > doing > > > good to the world at large for which the native must be ready to > > > treat the whole world as his or her family instead of the few 2 > or > > 3 > > > members within four walls. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dea Pt Arjun JI > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > Thanks again for explaining the Tantra more clearly. But one > > > question > > > > more, if you don't mind - > > > > (1) What is that called when Taantrik attain Siddhi in > Shamshaan > > > > Bhoomi, by using skulls, dead bodies, bones or dead animals > like > > > > materials? I have heard that this kind of Siddhi demand some > kind > > > of > > > > sacrifice on the part of the Taantrik; and if the Taantrik is > not > > > > able to give the Devee or the owner of that Siddhi which he or > > she > > > > demanded, that Devee or the owner kills the Taantrik himself. > Is > > it > > > > true? And is it not that all these Siddhis which are attained > > like > > > > this using inauspicious materials are used for bad purpose. > > > > (2)But as you say that Dakshinaachaar Siddhis are good, I am > sure > > > > they must be attained by using only Mantras and Yantras etc. > > > > > > > > Am I right in my thoughts? OR The first kind of Siddhis can > also > > be > > > > used for good purpose? > > > > > > > > I am interested in Dakshinaachaar types of Siddhis which are > > > attained > > > > by using Mantra Jaap or fasting etc Upaaya. Can you guide me > > about > > > > those ones? > > > > With all regards > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > as elucidated by other members in their posts on the thread, > > > > natives > > > > > may kindly note that tantra is a way of doing something and > > > tantra > > > > > itself is not something. > > > > > > > > > > gods, sages, saints, rakshasas, brahmins, doctors and all can > > > learn > > > > > various tantras. > > > > > > > > > > various ways of treating the patient is mentioned as tantras > to > > > > cure > > > > > from a disease. lord saibaba and jesus christ performed few > > > tantra > > > > > miracles to heal. > > > > > > > > > > reverred adi sanakara doing parakaya pravesa is a tantra. > > > > > > > > > > lord indra, various gods and evils creating spells are > tantras. > > > > > > > > > > doing shat prayogas is also tantra. even uchistha ganapati > > > upasana > > > > > is also a tantra. > > > > > > > > > > there are many myths that tantra is bad and due to various > > > movies, > > > > > some people tend to beleive that tantriks are those who only > do > > > > black > > > > > magic. > > > > > > > > > > for example, i am a healer and my area of specialisation is > > > > exorcism > > > > > i.e. removal of evils or evil possessions and bring relief to > > > > victims > > > > > of blackmagic. > > > > > > > > > > as mentioned by other members in the thread, on a subtle > level > > > the > > > > > positive and negative energies are two derivatives of the > same > > > > > source. it is like you have fire or electricity which you > can > > > use > > > > > for good and bad applications. > > > > > > > > > > however, if anyone recalls my previous posts over the past > few > > > > years, > > > > > i have been consistently advising natives not to get > interested > > > in > > > > > the occult studies and restrict to satvik simple divine holy > > > > remedies. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > > > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > > Thanks a lot for writing this and another message about > > Tantra > > > > and > > > > > > its remedies. I was very much skeptical about this Tantra, > > and > > > I > > > > > > always thought that Tantra was the Vaam Char one. Both > mails > > > are > > > > > very > > > > > > enlightened ones. Such messages are always welcome for > > ignorant > > > > > > people like us. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 one can get fundamentals of tantra in a book called " The Mahanirvana Tantra " translated by Arthur Avalon. It has some good basic information about tantra. I am presently reviewing this book and seems to be interesting. , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee wrote: > > Thanks Pt Arjun Ji > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Thanks for guiding me. I will try to look for a Pt wh can guide me > through Sri Vidyaa Upaasanaa. Is this not among Dash Vidyaa Upaasanaa? > With regards > Sushma > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend > > > > what you heard is correct. lord shiva is the head of bhoota ganas > > and is called bhootanath. there is a famous shivling in north > india > > where ash from the burial ground is brought and smeared to the > > shivling. naga sadhus, who are ardent devotees of lord shiva, too > > smear ash on their bodies and they enjoy highest respect in > protocol > > and are the first people to have bath in all kumbh melas etc. > > > > there are many tantras revealed by lord shiva and even some forms > of > > kali, chamunda, bagalamukhi are worshipped in tantra. > > > > nice to note that you have intentions to learn mantra siddhis and > > tantra siddhis through satvik mantras with an objective to help the > > world at large. > > > > firstly you may learn the very simple sri vidya upasana from any > > local priest and then you can take up learning further upasanas and > > sadhanas. > > > > you need not visit india for this purpose and there are many learnt > > gurus and swamis in usa itself but i cannot recommend names as i > have > > little or no knowledge of such people in usa. > > > > it is the duty of the god to maintain the selfless service people > for > > the cause of serving the world at large and you would surely find > > right people and will do a great service to the society. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Thanks for your reply. I cannot give you the number of Saadhanaa > > like > > > yourself as I am not the specialist in these things; and I am not > > > such a woman also who can believe on the events shown in movies; > > but > > > surely I have faith in our scriptures. I don't remember the name > of > > > the Puraan I was reading, but I read in a Puraan a dialog between > > > Lord Shiv and Paarvatee Jee upon this Vaamaachaar kind of > Siddhis. > > I > > > think some two-three chapters are given on this topic. So it > means > > > that Lord Shiv himself has said this to Paarvatee Jee. > > > > > > But I am not interested in this kind of things. I am interested > in > > > Mantra kind of Siddhis. I am interested in doing good to others > not > > > to my own family members. I am not a Grihasthee, but I am a 65 > > years > > > old woman and I have nothing to do with a Grihasth duties. > > > > > > If you are aware of such Guru who can teach me this, I will try > to > > > learn this. Presently I am living in the US but for this I will > > come > > > to India and do this if feasible, as I am a bit handicapped. > > > > > > Please let me know what do you think about this? > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > as regards the first query, i have neither gone through such > > things > > > > nor am interested in even learning those even for academic > > > purpose. > > > > hence i have no knowledge and experience in this query. but it > > is > > > > safe to assume that out of 1001 sadhanas under vamachara, this > > > > shamshan sadhana is only one and all other sadhanas are sans > > burial > > > > grounds, skulls and bones as horrified in movies. > > > > > > > > as regards second query, yes you are correct that in > > dakshinachara, > > > > the ways and means of casting spells, doing prayogas, healing > and > > > > other miracles are and can be learnt and performed by devatas, > > > sages, > > > > kings, brahmins and all humans. > > > > > > > > answering to your query of the first siddhis using for good > > > purposes, > > > > yes they can use them for good purposes but i prefer not to > > dwelve > > > > into this specific issue which i am not interested in. > > > > > > > > even the satvik tantra practices under dakshinachara learnt to > do > > > > good to others are not to be easily mastered and it is my > > personal > > > > philosophy learnt from my gurus that these shall be taught only > > to > > > > lone persons who are not in samsara. others may disagree with > > this > > > > observation but i request them to kinldy spare me for preaching > > to > > > > teach only to single loners sans samsara as these are meant for > > > doing > > > > good to the world at large for which the native must be ready > to > > > > treat the whole world as his or her family instead of the few 2 > > or > > > 3 > > > > members within four walls. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dea Pt Arjun JI > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > Thanks again for explaining the Tantra more clearly. But one > > > > question > > > > > more, if you don't mind - > > > > > (1) What is that called when Taantrik attain Siddhi in > > Shamshaan > > > > > Bhoomi, by using skulls, dead bodies, bones or dead animals > > like > > > > > materials? I have heard that this kind of Siddhi demand some > > kind > > > > of > > > > > sacrifice on the part of the Taantrik; and if the Taantrik is > > not > > > > > able to give the Devee or the owner of that Siddhi which he > or > > > she > > > > > demanded, that Devee or the owner kills the Taantrik himself. > > Is > > > it > > > > > true? And is it not that all these Siddhis which are attained > > > like > > > > > this using inauspicious materials are used for bad purpose. > > > > > (2)But as you say that Dakshinaachaar Siddhis are good, I am > > sure > > > > > they must be attained by using only Mantras and Yantras etc. > > > > > > > > > > Am I right in my thoughts? OR The first kind of Siddhis can > > also > > > be > > > > > used for good purpose? > > > > > > > > > > I am interested in Dakshinaachaar types of Siddhis which are > > > > attained > > > > > by using Mantra Jaap or fasting etc Upaaya. Can you guide me > > > about > > > > > those ones? > > > > > With all regards > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > > > as elucidated by other members in their posts on the > thread, > > > > > natives > > > > > > may kindly note that tantra is a way of doing something and > > > > tantra > > > > > > itself is not something. > > > > > > > > > > > > gods, sages, saints, rakshasas, brahmins, doctors and all > can > > > > learn > > > > > > various tantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > various ways of treating the patient is mentioned as > tantras > > to > > > > > cure > > > > > > from a disease. lord saibaba and jesus christ performed > few > > > > tantra > > > > > > miracles to heal. > > > > > > > > > > > > reverred adi sanakara doing parakaya pravesa is a tantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > lord indra, various gods and evils creating spells are > > tantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > doing shat prayogas is also tantra. even uchistha ganapati > > > > upasana > > > > > > is also a tantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > there are many myths that tantra is bad and due to various > > > > movies, > > > > > > some people tend to beleive that tantriks are those who > only > > do > > > > > black > > > > > > magic. > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, i am a healer and my area of specialisation is > > > > > exorcism > > > > > > i.e. removal of evils or evil possessions and bring relief > to > > > > > victims > > > > > > of blackmagic. > > > > > > > > > > > > as mentioned by other members in the thread, on a subtle > > level > > > > the > > > > > > positive and negative energies are two derivatives of the > > same > > > > > > source. it is like you have fire or electricity which you > > can > > > > use > > > > > > for good and bad applications. > > > > > > > > > > > > however, if anyone recalls my previous posts over the past > > few > > > > > years, > > > > > > i have been consistently advising natives not to get > > interested > > > > in > > > > > > the occult studies and restrict to satvik simple divine > holy > > > > > remedies. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > > > > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for writing this and another message about > > > Tantra > > > > > and > > > > > > > its remedies. I was very much skeptical about this > Tantra, > > > and > > > > I > > > > > > > always thought that Tantra was the Vaam Char one. Both > > mails > > > > are > > > > > > very > > > > > > > enlightened ones. Such messages are always welcome for > > > ignorant > > > > > > > people like us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Dear Rohini Ji, Yes, I agree that our lives are predestined to a great extent. But God has given us the free will for Karma. I once read a story in which Lord Shiva and Parvati were going somewhere and there was one very hardworking person who didn't get anything in life and then lord shiva told parvati that it's not in his Bhagya, but he will definitely improve by his hard work (karma). He insisted that Good Karma never goes waste. Also in Geeta, it is said that do the karma and do not be specific about the results. That is do your best from your side and do not expect nothing. I know many people when I tell them about effect of mantras / prayers / fasting, they ask me ok If I do fasting / mantra what I will get. There is direct selfishness attached in someway that reduces the effect. It's been more than four years that I have doing various mantras on daily basis and slowly and gradually I experienced the results. It's not that one starts doing saatwic remedies and he thinks that I have done it for two months but no improvement so far and then leaves it. It's like a drop of water adding each day, so it will eventually fill up your life some day or may be next life (Satya Narayana Vrat katha is good example) In most of the cases, the mantra gives effect (that I have seen) that you do the mantra 108 times daily, so in around three years, you complete approx. 125000 repetitions and you can feel the great difference. So our most of the life is fixed (I would say major events), but in our day to day life, we have the free will of doing it right way / wrong way. One can pass the graduation exam by cheating or by studying hard. Once we leave everything in God's hand, he takes better care (atleast in my case). I may not what is good / bad for me but God always know it 100% right. As per my view, Astrology give you indications (just like any other future science finance, weather, medical etc.) so that you can prepare in advance and reduce the effect of bad times to some extent and increase the effect of good time to some extent. I wrote one message on vedic wisdom that was that I get some thoughts (sometimes) when I am doing my daily pooja and these thoughts seem to come from nowhere i.e. I do not actively try to think or try to find answer. So, I believe that this is light from God. I will share the same one here. Life is journey (I hope most people agree). Suppose you are on a journey that you plan to travel whole earth on foot. In life's journey, one cannot go back and as life is predestined, so we cannot alter route also. The end is same for all in this physical world (death) and thereafter no one knows what happens (and one should not think about that). So say you are travelling for a complete round of earth and astrology is like a light (Jyotish - Light of God) so with this light, you see that there is a desert ahead. Well this journey has no other route and we cannot go back, so we need to cross the desert (it may take a day, week, months or years) as when you look at desert you don't know how big it is. So what you will do as a lay man, you will try to get as much water as you can, get one umbrella, say a pair of shoes. These all are our remedies (mantra, fasting, prayers, stones etc.) ofcourse we have to go through the desert, but we reduce our hardships to some extent. This is how God gave me thinking about this (this is not my thinking, it came to me when I was doing my mantras and I believe it is correct) and I request people not to argue with me. If you have doubts / questions, pray to God and he can guide you better. I can just share what he gives me. There are some other thoughts that I will share sometime else. Sometimes, I do not feel like sharing, because there are many people who make business out of religion and then arguments start and go in negative direction. One more thought that I would like to share is (I was thinking to share that for a long time) that Kalaki avataar would not be in the human form (as people believe) rather it would be at the end of kaliyuga (in the form of big destruction) and will be the start of Pralya. (Again this is not my active thought, came to me during my prayers) Regards, Neeraj Gupta --- On Sun, 12/21/08, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: Tantrik Vidhya Sunday, December 21, 2008, 4:06 PM Dear Neeraj ji, Your sage advice was very much appreciated particularly since this is a public forum and where unfortunately or fortunately such vidyas and s as Tantra cannot be delved into too deeply due to the nature of the field and subject. An ounce of prevention is worth lifetimes of cure, as they say! However, please allow me to bring up a question that keeps coming up in astrological circles. Very serious and sincere jyotishis have indicated from time to time that all or mostly anyway -- our lives are destined and there is little room for free-will. They further insist that even remedials are destined and only if one is destined to improve would the remedial be received by the individual and practiced. If that is the verity then one may wonder if the path of tantra, high or low, left or right, white or black must also be predestined. What has been your observations and contemplations on that angle of the matter? Please let me clarify -- I am not asking this just to invoke arguments but am sincerely perplexed by this line of thinking. My personal view as often stated would be otherwise, namely that we do make certain choices and the option to act, though limited, is accorded to us by the phenomenon of lifetimes and rebirth which are subservient to the Law of KArMA. Rohiniranjan , Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_ 2000 wrote: > > Dear All, > > Do not get into the remedies that involve taamsic or negative things. They are often quick and produce immediate results, but in long term they harm you more. > > As a analogy, it can be thought as that if a player is playing on the field and gets hurt, the doctor can apply anesthetic that will produce the effect if pain is not there (but injury is there), so player for a short moment can concentrate on his game. His injury may worsen if he plays more, but for the moment he cannot feel the pain (though it is there). After the game is over and once the effect of that anesthetic is gone, he may need longer time to recover from injury. > > Taamsic remedies work in the same way. They are short term and do harm in long run. Mantras, Fasting, Yajna etc takes time to produce positive results but they are long term and to your karma as well. > > Regards, > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > --- On Sat, 12/20/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote: > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...> > Re: Tantrik Vidhya > > Saturday, December 20, 2008, 10:18 PM > > > > > > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Thanks for your reply. I cannot give you the number of Saadhanaa like > yourself as I am not the specialist in these things; and I am not > such a woman also who can believe on the events shown in movies; but > surely I have faith in our scriptures. I don't remember the name of > the Puraan I was reading, but I read in a Puraan a dialog between > Lord Shiv and Paarvatee Jee upon this Vaamaachaar kind of Siddhis. I > think some two-three chapters are given on this topic. So it means > that Lord Shiv himself has said this to Paarvatee Jee. > > But I am not interested in this kind of things. I am interested in > Mantra kind of Siddhis. I am interested in doing good to others not > to my own family members. I am not a Grihasthee, but I am a 65 years > old woman and I have nothing to do with a Grihasth duties. > > If you are aware of such Guru who can teach me this, I will try to > learn this. Presently I am living in the US but for this I will come > to India and do this if feasible, as I am a bit handicapped. > > Please let me know what do you think about this? > With regards > Sushma > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > dear friend > > > > as regards the first query, i have neither gone through such things > > nor am interested in even learning those even for academic > purpose. > > hence i have no knowledge and experience in this query. but it is > > safe to assume that out of 1001 sadhanas under vamachara, this > > shamshan sadhana is only one and all other sadhanas are sans burial > > grounds, skulls and bones as horrified in movies. > > > > as regards second query, yes you are correct that in dakshinachara, > > the ways and means of casting spells, doing prayogas, healing and > > other miracles are and can be learnt and performed by devatas, > sages, > > kings, brahmins and all humans. > > > > answering to your query of the first siddhis using for good > purposes, > > yes they can use them for good purposes but i prefer not to dwelve > > into this specific issue which i am not interested in. > > > > even the satvik tantra practices under dakshinachara learnt to do > > good to others are not to be easily mastered and it is my personal > > philosophy learnt from my gurus that these shall be taught only to > > lone persons who are not in samsara. others may disagree with this > > observation but i request them to kinldy spare me for preaching to > > teach only to single loners sans samsara as these are meant for > doing > > good to the world at large for which the native must be ready to > > treat the whole world as his or her family instead of the few 2 or > 3 > > members within four walls. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dea Pt Arjun JI > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Thanks again for explaining the Tantra more clearly. But one > > question > > > more, if you don't mind - > > > (1) What is that called when Taantrik attain Siddhi in Shamshaan > > > Bhoomi, by using skulls, dead bodies, bones or dead animals like > > > materials? I have heard that this kind of Siddhi demand some kind > > of > > > sacrifice on the part of the Taantrik; and if the Taantrik is not > > > able to give the Devee or the owner of that Siddhi which he or > she > > > demanded, that Devee or the owner kills the Taantrik himself. Is > it > > > true? And is it not that all these Siddhis which are attained > like > > > this using inauspicious materials are used for bad purpose. > > > (2)But as you say that Dakshinaachaar Siddhis are good, I am sure > > > they must be attained by using only Mantras and Yantras etc. > > > > > > Am I right in my thoughts? OR The first kind of Siddhis can also > be > > > used for good purpose? > > > > > > I am interested in Dakshinaachaar types of Siddhis which are > > attained > > > by using Mantra Jaap or fasting etc Upaaya. Can you guide me > about > > > those ones? > > > With all regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > as elucidated by other members in their posts on the thread, > > > natives > > > > may kindly note that tantra is a way of doing something and > > tantra > > > > itself is not something. > > > > > > > > gods, sages, saints, rakshasas, brahmins, doctors and all can > > learn > > > > various tantras. > > > > > > > > various ways of treating the patient is mentioned as tantras to > > > cure > > > > from a disease. lord saibaba and jesus christ performed few > > tantra > > > > miracles to heal. > > > > > > > > reverred adi sanakara doing parakaya pravesa is a tantra. > > > > > > > > lord indra, various gods and evils creating spells are tantras. > > > > > > > > doing shat prayogas is also tantra. even uchistha ganapati > > upasana > > > > is also a tantra. > > > > > > > > there are many myths that tantra is bad and due to various > > movies, > > > > some people tend to beleive that tantriks are those who only do > > > black > > > > magic. > > > > > > > > for example, i am a healer and my area of specialisation is > > > exorcism > > > > i.e. removal of evils or evil possessions and bring relief to > > > victims > > > > of blackmagic. > > > > > > > > as mentioned by other members in the thread, on a subtle level > > the > > > > positive and negative energies are two derivatives of the same > > > > source. it is like you have fire or electricity which you can > > use > > > > for good and bad applications. > > > > > > > > however, if anyone recalls my previous posts over the past few > > > years, > > > > i have been consistently advising natives not to get interested > > in > > > > the occult studies and restrict to satvik simple divine holy > > > remedies. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > > > <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > Thanks a lot for writing this and another message about > Tantra > > > and > > > > > its remedies. I was very much skeptical about this Tantra, > and > > I > > > > > always thought that Tantra was the Vaam Char one. Both mails > > are > > > > very > > > > > enlightened ones. Such messages are always welcome for > ignorant > > > > > people like us. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > > With regards > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Beautiful posting! Thanks :-) RR , Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote: > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > Yes, I agree that our lives are predestined to a great extent. But God has given us the free will for Karma. I once read a story in which Lord Shiva and Parvati were going somewhere and there was one very hardworking person who didn't get anything in life and then lord shiva told parvati that it's not in his Bhagya, but he will definitely improve by his hard work (karma). > > He insisted that Good Karma never goes waste. Also in Geeta, it is said that do the karma and do not be specific about the results. That is do your best from your side and do not expect nothing. > > I know many people when I tell them about effect of mantras / prayers / fasting, they ask me ok If I do fasting / mantra what I will get. There is direct selfishness attached in someway that reduces the effect. It's been more than four years that I have doing various mantras on daily basis and slowly and gradually I experienced the results. It's not that one starts doing saatwic remedies and he thinks that I have done it for two months but no improvement so far and then leaves it. It's like a drop of water adding each day, so it will eventually fill up your life some day or may be next life (Satya Narayana Vrat katha is good example) > > In most of the cases, the mantra gives effect (that I have seen) that you do the mantra 108 times daily, so in around three years, you complete approx. 125000 repetitions and you can feel the great difference. > > So our most of the life is fixed (I would say major events), but in our day to day life, we have the free will of doing it right way / wrong way. One can pass the graduation exam by cheating or by studying hard. Once we leave everything in God's hand, he takes better care (atleast in my case). I may not what is good / bad for me but God always know it 100% right. > > As per my view, Astrology give you indications (just like any other future science finance, weather, medical etc.) so that you can prepare in advance and reduce the effect of bad times to some extent and increase the effect of good time to some extent. > > I wrote one message on vedic wisdom that was that I get some thoughts (sometimes) when I am doing my daily pooja and these thoughts seem to come from nowhere i.e. I do not actively try to think or try to find answer. So, I believe that this is light from God. I will share the same one here. > > Life is journey (I hope most people agree). Suppose you are on a journey that you plan to travel whole earth on foot. In life's journey, one cannot go back and as life is predestined, so we cannot alter route also. The end is same for all in this physical world (death) and thereafter no one knows what happens (and one should not think about that). So say you are travelling for a complete round of earth and astrology is like a light (Jyotish - Light of God) so with this light, you see that there is a desert ahead. Well this journey has no other route and we cannot go back, so we need to cross the desert (it may take a day, week, months or years) as when you look at desert you don't know how big it is. So what you will do as a lay man, you will try to get as much water as you can, get one umbrella, say a pair of shoes. These all are our remedies (mantra, fasting, prayers, stones etc.) ofcourse we have to go through the desert, but we reduce our hardships > to some extent. > > This is how God gave me thinking about this (this is not my thinking, it came to me when I was doing my mantras and I believe it is correct) and I request people not to argue with me. If you have doubts / questions, pray to God and he can guide you better. I can just share what he gives me. > > There are some other thoughts that I will share sometime else. Sometimes, I do not feel like sharing, because there are many people who make business out of religion and then arguments start and go in negative direction. > > One more thought that I would like to share is (I was thinking to share that for a long time) that Kalaki avataar would not be in the human form (as people believe) rather it would be at the end of kaliyuga (in the form of big destruction) and will be the start of Pralya. (Again this is not my active thought, came to me during my prayers) > > Regards, > > Neeraj Gupta > --- On Sun, 12/21/08, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: Tantrik Vidhya > > Sunday, December 21, 2008, 4:06 PM > > > > > Dear Neeraj ji, > > > > Your sage advice was very much appreciated particularly since this is > > a public forum and where unfortunately or fortunately such vidyas and > > s as Tantra cannot be delved into too deeply due to the > > nature of the field and subject. An ounce of prevention is worth > > lifetimes of cure, as they say! > > > > However, please allow me to bring up a question that keeps coming up > > in astrological circles. Very serious and sincere jyotishis have > > indicated from time to time that all or mostly anyway -- our lives > > are destined and there is little room for free-will. They further > > insist that even remedials are destined and only if one is destined > > to improve would the remedial be received by the individual and > > practiced. If that is the verity then one may wonder if the path of > > tantra, high or low, left or right, white or black must also be > > predestined. > > > > What has been your observations and contemplations on that angle of > > the matter? > > > > Please let me clarify -- I am not asking this just to invoke > > arguments but am sincerely perplexed by this line of thinking. My > > personal view as often stated would be otherwise, namely that we do > > make certain choices and the option to act, though limited, is > > accorded to us by the phenomenon of lifetimes and rebirth which are > > subservient to the Law of KArMA. > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Neeraj Gupta > > <gupta_neeraj_ 2000@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Do not get into the remedies that involve taamsic or negative > > things. They are often quick and produce immediate results, but in > > long term they harm you more. > > > > > > As a analogy, it can be thought as that if a player is playing on > > the field and gets hurt, the doctor can apply anesthetic that will > > produce the effect if pain is not there (but injury is there), so > > player for a short moment can concentrate on his game. His injury may > > worsen if he plays more, but for the moment he cannot feel the pain > > (though it is there). After the game is over and once the effect of > > that anesthetic is gone, he may need longer time to recover from > > injury. > > > > > > Taamsic remedies work in the same way. They are short term and do > > harm in long run. Mantras, Fasting, Yajna etc takes time to produce > > positive results but they are long term and to your karma as well. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/20/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...> > > > Re: Tantrik Vidhya > > > > > > Saturday, December 20, 2008, 10:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Thanks for your reply. I cannot give you the number of Saadhanaa > > like > > > yourself as I am not the specialist in these things; and I am not > > > such a woman also who can believe on the events shown in movies; > > but > > > surely I have faith in our scriptures. I don't remember the name of > > > the Puraan I was reading, but I read in a Puraan a dialog between > > > Lord Shiv and Paarvatee Jee upon this Vaamaachaar kind of Siddhis. > > I > > > think some two-three chapters are given on this topic. So it means > > > that Lord Shiv himself has said this to Paarvatee Jee. > > > > > > But I am not interested in this kind of things. I am interested in > > > Mantra kind of Siddhis. I am interested in doing good to others not > > > to my own family members. I am not a Grihasthee, but I am a 65 > > years > > > old woman and I have nothing to do with a Grihasth duties. > > > > > > If you are aware of such Guru who can teach me this, I will try to > > > learn this. Presently I am living in the US but for this I will > > come > > > to India and do this if feasible, as I am a bit handicapped. > > > > > > Please let me know what do you think about this? > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > as regards the first query, i have neither gone through such > > things > > > > nor am interested in even learning those even for academic > > > purpose. > > > > hence i have no knowledge and experience in this query. but it is > > > > safe to assume that out of 1001 sadhanas under vamachara, this > > > > shamshan sadhana is only one and all other sadhanas are sans > > burial > > > > grounds, skulls and bones as horrified in movies. > > > > > > > > as regards second query, yes you are correct that in > > dakshinachara, > > > > the ways and means of casting spells, doing prayogas, healing and > > > > other miracles are and can be learnt and performed by devatas, > > > sages, > > > > kings, brahmins and all humans. > > > > > > > > answering to your query of the first siddhis using for good > > > purposes, > > > > yes they can use them for good purposes but i prefer not to > > dwelve > > > > into this specific issue which i am not interested in. > > > > > > > > even the satvik tantra practices under dakshinachara learnt to do > > > > good to others are not to be easily mastered and it is my > > personal > > > > philosophy learnt from my gurus that these shall be taught only > > to > > > > lone persons who are not in samsara. others may disagree with > > this > > > > observation but i request them to kinldy spare me for preaching > > to > > > > teach only to single loners sans samsara as these are meant for > > > doing > > > > good to the world at large for which the native must be ready to > > > > treat the whole world as his or her family instead of the few 2 > > or > > > 3 > > > > members within four walls. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > > > <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dea Pt Arjun JI > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > Thanks again for explaining the Tantra more clearly. But one > > > > question > > > > > more, if you don't mind - > > > > > (1) What is that called when Taantrik attain Siddhi in > > Shamshaan > > > > > Bhoomi, by using skulls, dead bodies, bones or dead animals > > like > > > > > materials? I have heard that this kind of Siddhi demand some > > kind > > > > of > > > > > sacrifice on the part of the Taantrik; and if the Taantrik is > > not > > > > > able to give the Devee or the owner of that Siddhi which he or > > > she > > > > > demanded, that Devee or the owner kills the Taantrik himself. > > Is > > > it > > > > > true? And is it not that all these Siddhis which are attained > > > like > > > > > this using inauspicious materials are used for bad purpose. > > > > > (2)But as you say that Dakshinaachaar Siddhis are good, I am > > sure > > > > > they must be attained by using only Mantras and Yantras etc. > > > > > > > > > > Am I right in my thoughts? OR The first kind of Siddhis can > > also > > > be > > > > > used for good purpose? > > > > > > > > > > I am interested in Dakshinaachaar types of Siddhis which are > > > > attained > > > > > by using Mantra Jaap or fasting etc Upaaya. Can you guide me > > > about > > > > > those ones? > > > > > With all regards > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > > > as elucidated by other members in their posts on the thread, > > > > > natives > > > > > > may kindly note that tantra is a way of doing something and > > > > tantra > > > > > > itself is not something. > > > > > > > > > > > > gods, sages, saints, rakshasas, brahmins, doctors and all can > > > > learn > > > > > > various tantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > various ways of treating the patient is mentioned as tantras > > to > > > > > cure > > > > > > from a disease. lord saibaba and jesus christ performed few > > > > tantra > > > > > > miracles to heal. > > > > > > > > > > > > reverred adi sanakara doing parakaya pravesa is a tantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > lord indra, various gods and evils creating spells are > > tantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > doing shat prayogas is also tantra. even uchistha ganapati > > > > upasana > > > > > > is also a tantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > there are many myths that tantra is bad and due to various > > > > movies, > > > > > > some people tend to beleive that tantriks are those who only > > do > > > > > black > > > > > > magic. > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, i am a healer and my area of specialisation is > > > > > exorcism > > > > > > i.e. removal of evils or evil possessions and bring relief to > > > > > victims > > > > > > of blackmagic. > > > > > > > > > > > > as mentioned by other members in the thread, on a subtle > > level > > > > the > > > > > > positive and negative energies are two derivatives of the > > same > > > > > > source. it is like you have fire or electricity which you can > > > > use > > > > > > for good and bad applications. > > > > > > > > > > > > however, if anyone recalls my previous posts over the past > > few > > > > > years, > > > > > > i have been consistently advising natives not to get > > interested > > > > in > > > > > > the occult studies and restrict to satvik simple divine holy > > > > > remedies. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > > > > > <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pt Arjun Ji > > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for writing this and another message about > > > Tantra > > > > > and > > > > > > > its remedies. I was very much skeptical about this Tantra, > > > and > > > > I > > > > > > > always thought that Tantra was the Vaam Char one. Both > > mails > > > > are > > > > > > very > > > > > > > enlightened ones. Such messages are always welcome for > > > ignorant > > > > > > > people like us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Thanks Raja, Jaya Siyaa Raam I have got another translation of this book, so I will read that one. Let me see what it says. With regards Sushma , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > one can get fundamentals of tantra in a book called " The Mahanirvana > Tantra " translated by Arthur Avalon. It has some good basic > information about tantra. I am presently reviewing this book and > seems to be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Dear Neeraj Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam Thanks for posting your beautiful Saatwik positive views. You are right that the sea is filled drop by drop, so we should always try to do good work. What do you think by your experience which Mantra one should recite everyday? Which Mantra give affect sooner than others? You are hundred percent right that one should not get inolved in Taamasik ways to attain something. I also believe in Saatwik type of worship. Could you advice me about some Mantras which are good to recite daily? With regards Sushma , Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote: > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > Yes, I agree that our lives are predestined to a great extent. But God has given us the free will for Karma. I once read a story in which Lord Shiva and Parvati were going somewhere and there was one very hardworking person who didn't get anything in life and then lord shiva told parvati that it's not in his Bhagya, but he will definitely improve by his hard work (karma). > > He insisted that Good Karma never goes waste. Also in Geeta, it is said that do the karma and do not be specific about the results. That is do your best from your side and do not expect nothing. > > I know many people when I tell them about effect of mantras / prayers / fasting, they ask me ok If I do fasting / mantra what I will get. There is direct selfishness attached in someway that reduces the effect. It's been more than four years that I have doing various mantras on daily basis and slowly and gradually I experienced the results. It's not that one starts doing saatwic remedies and he thinks that I have done it for two months but no improvement so far and then leaves it. It's like a drop of water adding each day, so it will eventually fill up your life some day or may be next life (Satya Narayana Vrat katha is good example) > > In most of the cases, the mantra gives effect (that I have seen) that you do the mantra 108 times daily, so in around three years, you complete approx. 125000 repetitions and you can feel the great difference. > > So our most of the life is fixed (I would say major events), but in our day to day life, we have the free will of doing it right way / wrong way. One can pass the graduation exam by cheating or by studying hard. Once we leave everything in God's hand, he takes better care (atleast in my case). I may not what is good / bad for me but God always know it 100% right. > > As per my view, Astrology give you indications (just like any other future science finance, weather, medical etc.) so that you can prepare in advance and reduce the effect of bad times to some extent and increase the effect of good time to some extent. > > I wrote one message on vedic wisdom that was that I get some thoughts (sometimes) when I am doing my daily pooja and these thoughts seem to come from nowhere i.e. I do not actively try to think or try to find answer. So, I believe that this is light from God. I will share the same one here. > > Life is journey (I hope most people agree). Suppose you are on a journey that you plan to travel whole earth on foot. In life's journey, one cannot go back and as life is predestined, so we cannot alter route also. The end is same for all in this physical world (death) and thereafter no one knows what happens (and one should not think about that). So say you are travelling for a complete round of earth and astrology is like a light (Jyotish - Light of God) so with this light, you see that there is a desert ahead. Well this journey has no other route and we cannot go back, so we need to cross the desert (it may take a day, week, months or years) as when you look at desert you don't know how big it is. So what you will do as a lay man, you will try to get as much water as you can, get one umbrella, say a pair of shoes. These all are our remedies (mantra, fasting, prayers, stones etc.) ofcourse we have to go through the desert, but we reduce our hardships > to some extent. > > This is how God gave me thinking about this (this is not my thinking, it came to me when I was doing my mantras and I believe it is correct) and I request people not to argue with me. If you have doubts / questions, pray to God and he can guide you better. I can just share what he gives me. > > There are some other thoughts that I will share sometime else. Sometimes, I do not feel like sharing, because there are many people who make business out of religion and then arguments start and go in negative direction. > > One more thought that I would like to share is (I was thinking to share that for a long time) that Kalaki avataar would not be in the human form (as people believe) rather it would be at the end of kaliyuga (in the form of big destruction) and will be the start of Pralya. (Again this is not my active thought, came to me during my prayers) > > Regards, > > Neeraj Gupta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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