Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 In simple way I want to add " what is Tantra " I love to write in Sanskrit and in Hindi because English is not my language, i am not giving any detail here, aporva wrote a very good article with macro details, so no need to rewrite here again, even lot of remaing to write but not in one dose. " Tantra " is the name of system you can say; there are various branches of this system. There are only one thing " word knitting " that called Mantra , now you worship of idle or a geometrical idle which called Yantra, or you chant simple OM to evoke your Devine soul, or you do YOGA which is also in deep based on Sapt Chakra that is also part of Tantra, it also includes all type of worship, Fire Rituals. In all type of worship by any achara the main this that is mantra, mantra is soul of Tantra, Tantra is Body, and mantra is soul, separate from Mantra there is no Tantra or Yantra same vise versa. Well said, Tantra is system like our Government here no single man or department make government it have few divisions like – Karypalika, NyayaPalika, Vidhyika, and Public all this make Sarkari Tantra, same in Devine Mantra + Deity + worshiper + Materiel + Method makes Tantra. It depend on user how he want to use, giving you very simple example, when India vs. China happen on that time there was a great fire ritual to please goddess Baglamukhi at her famous Temple, now this was for benefit of the country , but if one want to do to make silent of his enemy it will work same. Tantra is not bad itself, the bad is intention. To understand Tantra may be 100yrs will not be enough. This is very vast area more the water on earth or surround of earth, this is pure Devine matter. People know very well the difference between Good and Bad, but they ask repeatedly. And one can understand it by practice not from Books, as if you understand soul, you may be able to understand almighty, same here if you are able to understand Mantra you may be able to understand the deity or almighty, as all deity are form of only one almighty. There are lot of books some are published in half way some not, which told about Tantra. As body have various part and sub Tantra like Pachan Tantra, Shwas Tantra, etc, same The Devine Tantra have various sub divisions or sub sub divisions. As supreme Almighty is one . in self is god and inself is Devil or demon , whatever you say, in Atharva sukt it is clearly said the peetha of almighty is adharma. In end we have very limited mind, thoughts, visions, and the creator of Universe is Unlimited in all manners and from all corners, so we even can't think a bit about him in dream in dream also. This topic is not for debate it is for feeling, as few blinds touch and feel elephant and describe in their words with different examples, same we are doing. Regards Niket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Dear Niket and Apoorva, Both of you have well elaborate the 'Tantra " .It seems both of you have wast knowledge about it,Can you suggest the remedy to protect by any " tantrik " offence? or pre-protection so any tantrik attack will not damage any one.It will very helpful for all members who are not awaer of this " Viddhya " . Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " astroiniket " <nakshtraniket wrote: > > In simple way I want to add " what is Tantra " I love to write in > Sanskrit and in Hindi because English is not my language, i am not > giving any detail here, aporva wrote a very good article with macro > details, so no need to rewrite here again, even lot of remaing to > write but not in one dose. > > " Tantra " is the name of system you can say; there are various > branches of this system. > There are only one thing " word knitting " that called Mantra , now you > worship of idle or a geometrical idle which called Yantra, or you > chant simple OM to evoke your Devine soul, or you do YOGA which is > also in deep based on Sapt Chakra that is also part of Tantra, it > also includes all type of worship, Fire Rituals. > > In all type of worship by any achara the main this that is mantra, > mantra is soul of Tantra, Tantra is Body, and mantra is soul, > separate from Mantra there is no Tantra or Yantra same vise versa. > > Well said, Tantra is system like our Government here no single man or > department make government it have few divisions like – Karypalika, > NyayaPalika, Vidhyika, and Public all this make Sarkari Tantra, same > in Devine Mantra + Deity + worshiper + Materiel + Method makes > Tantra. > > It depend on user how he want to use, giving you very simple example, > when India vs. China happen on that time there was a great fire > ritual to please goddess Baglamukhi at her famous Temple, now this > was for benefit of the country , but if one want to do to make silent > of his enemy it will work same. > > Tantra is not bad itself, the bad is intention. To understand Tantra > may be 100yrs will not be enough. > This is very vast area more the water on earth or surround of earth, > this is pure Devine matter. > > People know very well the difference between Good and Bad, but they > ask repeatedly. And one can understand it by practice not from Books, > as if you understand soul, you may be able to understand almighty, > same here if you are able to understand Mantra you may be able to > understand the deity or almighty, as all deity are form of only one > almighty. > There are lot of books some are published in half way some not, which > told about Tantra. > As body have various part and sub Tantra like Pachan Tantra, Shwas > Tantra, etc, same The Devine Tantra have various sub divisions or sub > sub divisions. > > As supreme Almighty is one . in self is god and inself is Devil or > demon , whatever you say, in Atharva sukt it is clearly said the > peetha of almighty is adharma. > In end we have very limited mind, thoughts, visions, and the creator > of Universe is Unlimited in all manners and from all corners, so we > even can't think a bit about him in dream in dream also. > > This topic is not for debate it is for feeling, as few blinds touch > and feel elephant and describe in their words with different > examples, same we are doing. > > Regards > Niket > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Dear Mr. Bohra `Prevention is better that cure' is the mantra for most of us are not sent with `Black Cats'. As Niket says, daily prayers are very important. Prayers to Kul devi/devta and any mode of worship, in one's faith/traditionally being done in the family would be the best protection. One can also recite the KAVACH of the deity one normally worships. In general Durga Kavach and Narayan Kavach are very effective remedies to ward off evil forces. Hope this helps for basics. Otherwise a specialist would be needed. Regards Apoorva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Dear Apoorva, Thanks for your post which clear in simple way. I hear about 'Bandhak' vidhya.As like 'Aawak'(Earning),'Dhandha Bandh diya hai'.These are possible by any Tantrik ,If yes then what are the remedies to prevent this bandhak or how to become free from this Bandhak?Please let me know about this 'Bandhak'vidhya. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " apoorva_kk " <apoorva_kk wrote: > > > Dear Mr. Bohra > > `Prevention is better that cure' is the mantra for most of us > are not sent with `Black Cats'. > > As Niket says, daily prayers are very important. Prayers to Kul > devi/devta and any mode of worship, in one's faith/traditionally being > done in the family would be the best protection. > > One can also recite the KAVACH of the deity one normally worships. In > general Durga Kavach and Narayan Kavach are very effective remedies to > ward off evil forces. > > Hope this helps for basics. Otherwise a specialist would be needed. > > > Regards > Apoorva > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 We have had a healthy discussion on this topic and i hope that it continues to grow and benefits our curious minds. This is the best way to share the information. However, my question is - Wouldn't rule of karma applied to the employers and doers of this evil tantrik vidhya to innocent people? is god that loose such that he allows some evil for-profit tantrik to hurt the innocent? at time like this i question the existance of God sometimes? has he gone to long vacation or what? is he not observing such things? Raja , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: > > Dear Apoorva, > > Thanks for your post which clear in simple way. > I hear about 'Bandhak' vidhya.As like 'Aawak'(Earning),'Dhandha Bandh > diya hai'.These are possible by any Tantrik ,If yes then what are the > remedies to prevent this bandhak or how to become free from this > Bandhak?Please let me know about this 'Bandhak'vidhya. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > > , " apoorva_kk " <apoorva_kk@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. Bohra > > > > `Prevention is better that cure' is the mantra for most of us > > are not sent with `Black Cats'. > > > > As Niket says, daily prayers are very important. Prayers to Kul > > devi/devta and any mode of worship, in one's faith/traditionally being > > done in the family would be the best protection. > > > > One can also recite the KAVACH of the deity one normally worships. In > > general Durga Kavach and Narayan Kavach are very effective remedies to > > ward off evil forces. > > > > Hope this helps for basics. Otherwise a specialist would be needed. > > > > > > Regards > > Apoorva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Dear Raja, A devil(Doing wrong work is his 'Karma') do 'wrong work' but what is wrong or right,who will decide? In our view certain things are wrong but same is right for others view than who will decide?Most of Advocate saving the culprit but they says it is their job(Karma),in their view they are doing right.It is fact that ultimate truth is nobody know every one have logic behind his truth. Where is the God?,what is the God?,Who have seen the God? We say 'Ishwar' is ultimate power or God,Muslims says 'Allah' is God,Christian says 'Jesus'.So all of us have different God but what is the ultimate truth about God?We all imagine the super power who created this Universe and looking the administration of this Universe,is the God.In my view God or super power is a super 'Brain' for that every one is trying to reach near by,is within our self only.We have to search it within us. In my view 'Tantra','Mantra',Agori-karma,Havana,Yantra all are the systems(In my view its all pure science) to effect other system.Way are different or mechanism are different.If you feel guilty(I am doing wrong) than you will effected by your work or other people of majority feel your work is bad they will make you feel guilty.This guilty feeling makes your system weak than other system will inter in your system and lead you by his system.We always do good work(Which we feel good) for not to feel guilty,we are making our system strong. I have taken this opportunity to say which I feel,other learned members will share their views. About the 'Tantra' science,expert will say the real mechanism of it. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > We have had a healthy discussion on this topic and i hope that it > continues to grow and benefits our curious minds. This is the best > way to share the information. > > However, my question is - Wouldn't rule of karma applied to the > employers and doers of this evil tantrik vidhya to innocent people? > is god that loose such that he allows some evil for-profit tantrik to > hurt the innocent? at time like this i question the existance of God > sometimes? has he gone to long vacation or what? is he not observing > such things? > > Raja > > , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Apoorva, > > > > Thanks for your post which clear in simple way. > > I hear about 'Bandhak' vidhya.As like 'Aawak'(Earning),'Dhandha > Bandh > > diya hai'.These are possible by any Tantrik ,If yes then what are > the > > remedies to prevent this bandhak or how to become free from this > > Bandhak?Please let me know about this 'Bandhak'vidhya. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > , " apoorva_kk " <apoorva_kk@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Bohra > > > > > > `Prevention is better that cure' is the mantra for most of us > > > are not sent with `Black Cats'. > > > > > > As Niket says, daily prayers are very important. Prayers to Kul > > > devi/devta and any mode of worship, in one's faith/traditionally > being > > > done in the family would be the best protection. > > > > > > One can also recite the KAVACH of the deity one normally > worships. In > > > general Durga Kavach and Narayan Kavach are very effective > remedies to > > > ward off evil forces. > > > > > > Hope this helps for basics. Otherwise a specialist would be > needed. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Apoorva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Raja, Since you view this thread as a healthy discussion, I submit the following for your consideration and not presented as axioms: Karma is not rigid (or even of just one kind!) for how else would remedials be justified (many of which are of tantrik and mantrik nature). So perhaps karma can be deferred or even dissipated just as energy can get transformed from one modality to another, if you wish to think of it as a physical model. God is not an 'entity' or external from All That Is (call it creation, nature, etc) and hence not the watchdog or overseer! So, in a sense we individually and collectively introduce perturbations in the general framework of being for ourselves and ALL through our decisions and actions. It is like being in and part of a huge ocean which is connected and influenced by what happens in one 'unit' or zone of it -- but which is not really a zone but connected to the rest. Since changes take a long time to take place, often longer than our individual mortal consciousness is allowed (lifetime) to experience and remember. In most cases, that is... Given the above (latter) premise, who knows who is truly innocent and who is the doer? We are seeing the Leela of Creation from perhaps Act 9E12, Scene 7E02. Or perhaps even later... Regards, RR , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > We have had a healthy discussion on this topic and i hope that it > continues to grow and benefits our curious minds. This is the best > way to share the information. > > However, my question is - Wouldn't rule of karma applied to the > employers and doers of this evil tantrik vidhya to innocent people? > is god that loose such that he allows some evil for-profit tantrik to > hurt the innocent? at time like this i question the existance of God > sometimes? has he gone to long vacation or what? is he not observing > such things? > > Raja > > , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Apoorva, > > > > Thanks for your post which clear in simple way. > > I hear about 'Bandhak' vidhya.As like 'Aawak'(Earning),'Dhandha > Bandh > > diya hai'.These are possible by any Tantrik ,If yes then what are > the > > remedies to prevent this bandhak or how to become free from this > > Bandhak?Please let me know about this 'Bandhak'vidhya. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > , " apoorva_kk " <apoorva_kk@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Bohra > > > > > > `Prevention is better that cure' is the mantra for most of us > > > are not sent with `Black Cats'. > > > > > > As Niket says, daily prayers are very important. Prayers to Kul > > > devi/devta and any mode of worship, in one's faith/traditionally > being > > > done in the family would be the best protection. > > > > > > One can also recite the KAVACH of the deity one normally > worships. In > > > general Durga Kavach and Narayan Kavach are very effective > remedies to > > > ward off evil forces. > > > > > > Hope this helps for basics. Otherwise a specialist would be > needed. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Apoorva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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