Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 dear Mr. Bohra, there are various methods to remove the evil usage, but first - before removal - one must know that what evil usage has been performed, for few usage their is no treatment - those are no treateble in any manner, but that is only 1% and knowing of those evil usage , i do not think, any person is present on earth, so 99% evil usage can be cured, but only when , it is know on early stage, now for general safegaurds : any one who is worship god by heart and soul in any form and devoted to almighty, will be saved without doing any thing. second if one came to know that some thing already done and not able to identify : then worship and 100% devotion to lord Hanuman or Godess Durga is more then sufficient. one can worship lord hanuman by his Panchmukhi Hanuman mantra. one can worship to godess Durga by doing Saptshati Paath (minimum 100 times continue till 100 days.) both upayas are ultimate, anything caused by any one must be removed. and person will get boon also. Needed only faith and devotion. rgds Niket , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: > > Dear Niket and Apoorva, > > Both of you have well elaborate the 'Tantra " .It seems both of you have > wast knowledge about it,Can you suggest the remedy to protect by any > " tantrik " offence? or pre-protection so any tantrik attack will not > damage any one.It will very helpful for all members who are not awaer > of this " Viddhya " . > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , " astroiniket " > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > In simple way I want to add " what is Tantra " I love to write in > > Sanskrit and in Hindi because English is not my language, i am not > > giving any detail here, aporva wrote a very good article with macro > > details, so no need to rewrite here again, even lot of remaing to > > write but not in one dose. > > > > " Tantra " is the name of system you can say; there are various > > branches of this system. > > There are only one thing " word knitting " that called Mantra , now you > > worship of idle or a geometrical idle which called Yantra, or you > > chant simple OM to evoke your Devine soul, or you do YOGA which is > > also in deep based on Sapt Chakra that is also part of Tantra, it > > also includes all type of worship, Fire Rituals. > > > > In all type of worship by any achara the main this that is mantra, > > mantra is soul of Tantra, Tantra is Body, and mantra is soul, > > separate from Mantra there is no Tantra or Yantra same vise versa. > > > > Well said, Tantra is system like our Government here no single man or > > department make government it have few divisions like – Karypalika, > > NyayaPalika, Vidhyika, and Public all this make Sarkari Tantra, same > > in Devine Mantra + Deity + worshiper + Materiel + Method makes > > Tantra. > > > > It depend on user how he want to use, giving you very simple example, > > when India vs. China happen on that time there was a great fire > > ritual to please goddess Baglamukhi at her famous Temple, now this > > was for benefit of the country , but if one want to do to make silent > > of his enemy it will work same. > > > > Tantra is not bad itself, the bad is intention. To understand Tantra > > may be 100yrs will not be enough. > > This is very vast area more the water on earth or surround of earth, > > this is pure Devine matter. > > > > People know very well the difference between Good and Bad, but they > > ask repeatedly. And one can understand it by practice not from Books, > > as if you understand soul, you may be able to understand almighty, > > same here if you are able to understand Mantra you may be able to > > understand the deity or almighty, as all deity are form of only one > > almighty. > > There are lot of books some are published in half way some not, which > > told about Tantra. > > As body have various part and sub Tantra like Pachan Tantra, Shwas > > Tantra, etc, same The Devine Tantra have various sub divisions or sub > > sub divisions. > > > > As supreme Almighty is one . in self is god and inself is Devil or > > demon , whatever you say, in Atharva sukt it is clearly said the > > peetha of almighty is adharma. > > In end we have very limited mind, thoughts, visions, and the creator > > of Universe is Unlimited in all manners and from all corners, so we > > even can't think a bit about him in dream in dream also. > > > > This topic is not for debate it is for feeling, as few blinds touch > > and feel elephant and describe in their words with different > > examples, same we are doing. > > > > Regards > > Niket > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Dear Niket, Thanks for your reply,We are student of Astrology which include all subjects,of course Tantra also,can you elaborate the planetary position of a chart which shows the relation with " Tantra " ?Sufferer or expertise in this " Vidhya " . You have stated that safeguard is Worship Hanumanji or Durga Devi.It seems that if you have strong will power no body can harm you,if will power is weak than you have to do worship to make your will power strong.If am I right than its all mind game there is no any external force or Tantra.Mantra chanting,doing Havana are just creating the atmosphere for changing the status of our mind,so all power are within our mind.Some where I have read " God created Mind or Mind created God " ,What is your opinion? It is really very god subject,The " Tantra " ,may I request to all learned members of this forum to share their knowledge with us. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " astroiniket " <nakshtraniket wrote: > > dear Mr. Bohra, > there are various methods to remove the evil usage, but first - > before removal - one must know that what evil usage has been > performed, for few usage their is no treatment - those are no > treateble in any manner, but that is only 1% and knowing of those > evil usage , i do not think, any person is present on earth, so 99% > evil usage can be cured, but only when , it is know on early stage, > now for general safegaurds : any one who is worship god by heart and > soul in any form and devoted to almighty, will be saved without doing > any thing. > > second if one came to know that some thing already done and not able > to identify : then worship and 100% devotion to lord Hanuman or > Godess Durga is more then sufficient. > > one can worship lord hanuman by his Panchmukhi Hanuman mantra. > one can worship to godess Durga by doing Saptshati Paath (minimum 100 > times continue till 100 days.) > > both upayas are ultimate, anything caused by any one must be removed. > and person will get boon also. > > Needed only faith and devotion. > > rgds > Niket > > , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Niket and Apoorva, > > > > Both of you have well elaborate the 'Tantra " .It seems both of you > have > > wast knowledge about it,Can you suggest the remedy to protect by any > > " tantrik " offence? or pre-protection so any tantrik attack will not > > damage any one.It will very helpful for all members who are not > awaer > > of this " Viddhya " . > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > In simple way I want to add " what is Tantra " I love to write in > > > Sanskrit and in Hindi because English is not my language, i am > not > > > giving any detail here, aporva wrote a very good article with > macro > > > details, so no need to rewrite here again, even lot of remaing to > > > write but not in one dose. > > > > > > " Tantra " is the name of system you can say; there are various > > > branches of this system. > > > There are only one thing " word knitting " that called Mantra , now > you > > > worship of idle or a geometrical idle which called Yantra, or you > > > chant simple OM to evoke your Devine soul, or you do YOGA which > is > > > also in deep based on Sapt Chakra that is also part of Tantra, it > > > also includes all type of worship, Fire Rituals. > > > > > > In all type of worship by any achara the main this that is > mantra, > > > mantra is soul of Tantra, Tantra is Body, and mantra is soul, > > > separate from Mantra there is no Tantra or Yantra same vise versa. > > > > > > Well said, Tantra is system like our Government here no single > man or > > > department make government it have few divisions like – > Karypalika, > > > NyayaPalika, Vidhyika, and Public all this make Sarkari Tantra, > same > > > in Devine Mantra + Deity + worshiper + Materiel + Method makes > > > Tantra. > > > > > > It depend on user how he want to use, giving you very simple > example, > > > when India vs. China happen on that time there was a great fire > > > ritual to please goddess Baglamukhi at her famous Temple, now > this > > > was for benefit of the country , but if one want to do to make > silent > > > of his enemy it will work same. > > > > > > Tantra is not bad itself, the bad is intention. To understand > Tantra > > > may be 100yrs will not be enough. > > > This is very vast area more the water on earth or surround of > earth, > > > this is pure Devine matter. > > > > > > People know very well the difference between Good and Bad, but > they > > > ask repeatedly. And one can understand it by practice not from > Books, > > > as if you understand soul, you may be able to understand > almighty, > > > same here if you are able to understand Mantra you may be able to > > > understand the deity or almighty, as all deity are form of only > one > > > almighty. > > > There are lot of books some are published in half way some not, > which > > > told about Tantra. > > > As body have various part and sub Tantra like Pachan Tantra, > Shwas > > > Tantra, etc, same The Devine Tantra have various sub divisions or > sub > > > sub divisions. > > > > > > As supreme Almighty is one . in self is god and inself is Devil > or > > > demon , whatever you say, in Atharva sukt it is clearly said the > > > peetha of almighty is adharma. > > > In end we have very limited mind, thoughts, visions, and the > creator > > > of Universe is Unlimited in all manners and from all corners, so > we > > > even can't think a bit about him in dream in dream also. > > > > > > This topic is not for debate it is for feeling, as few blinds > touch > > > and feel elephant and describe in their words with different > > > examples, same we are doing. > > > > > > Regards > > > Niket > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 dear Bohra, i do not want discussion on these lines which you mentioned below in your post, all are free to think whatever they wish, because it needs lot of time, and i have very short of time due to my other work also. Thanks n rgds Niket , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: > > Dear Niket, > Thanks for your reply,We are student of Astrology which include all > subjects,of course Tantra also,can you elaborate the planetary > position of a chart which shows the relation with " Tantra " ?Sufferer or > expertise in this " Vidhya " . > > You have stated that safeguard is Worship Hanumanji or Durga Devi.It > seems that if you have strong will power no body can harm you,if will > power is weak than you have to do worship to make your will power > strong.If am I right than its all mind game there is no any external > force or Tantra.Mantra chanting,doing Havana are just creating the > atmosphere for changing the status of our mind,so all power are within > our mind.Some where I have read " God created Mind or Mind created > God " ,What is your opinion? > > It is really very god subject,The " Tantra " ,may I request to all > learned members of this forum to share their knowledge with us. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > > , " astroiniket " > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > dear Mr. Bohra, > > there are various methods to remove the evil usage, but first - > > before removal - one must know that what evil usage has been > > performed, for few usage their is no treatment - those are no > > treateble in any manner, but that is only 1% and knowing of those > > evil usage , i do not think, any person is present on earth, so 99% > > evil usage can be cured, but only when , it is know on early stage, > > now for general safegaurds : any one who is worship god by heart and > > soul in any form and devoted to almighty, will be saved without doing > > any thing. > > > > second if one came to know that some thing already done and not able > > to identify : then worship and 100% devotion to lord Hanuman or > > Godess Durga is more then sufficient. > > > > one can worship lord hanuman by his Panchmukhi Hanuman mantra. > > one can worship to godess Durga by doing Saptshati Paath (minimum 100 > > times continue till 100 days.) > > > > both upayas are ultimate, anything caused by any one must be removed. > > and person will get boon also. > > > > Needed only faith and devotion. > > > > rgds > > Niket > > > > , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Niket and Apoorva, > > > > > > Both of you have well elaborate the 'Tantra " .It seems both of you > > have > > > wast knowledge about it,Can you suggest the remedy to protect by any > > > " tantrik " offence? or pre-protection so any tantrik attack will not > > > damage any one.It will very helpful for all members who are not > > awaer > > > of this " Viddhya " . > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > In simple way I want to add " what is Tantra " I love to write in > > > > Sanskrit and in Hindi because English is not my language, i am > > not > > > > giving any detail here, aporva wrote a very good article with > > macro > > > > details, so no need to rewrite here again, even lot of remaing to > > > > write but not in one dose. > > > > > > > > " Tantra " is the name of system you can say; there are various > > > > branches of this system. > > > > There are only one thing " word knitting " that called Mantra , now > > you > > > > worship of idle or a geometrical idle which called Yantra, or you > > > > chant simple OM to evoke your Devine soul, or you do YOGA which > > is > > > > also in deep based on Sapt Chakra that is also part of Tantra, it > > > > also includes all type of worship, Fire Rituals. > > > > > > > > In all type of worship by any achara the main this that is > > mantra, > > > > mantra is soul of Tantra, Tantra is Body, and mantra is soul, > > > > separate from Mantra there is no Tantra or Yantra same vise versa. > > > > > > > > Well said, Tantra is system like our Government here no single > > man or > > > > department make government it have few divisions like – > > Karypalika, > > > > NyayaPalika, Vidhyika, and Public all this make Sarkari Tantra, > > same > > > > in Devine Mantra + Deity + worshiper + Materiel + Method makes > > > > Tantra. > > > > > > > > It depend on user how he want to use, giving you very simple > > example, > > > > when India vs. China happen on that time there was a great fire > > > > ritual to please goddess Baglamukhi at her famous Temple, now > > this > > > > was for benefit of the country , but if one want to do to make > > silent > > > > of his enemy it will work same. > > > > > > > > Tantra is not bad itself, the bad is intention. To understand > > Tantra > > > > may be 100yrs will not be enough. > > > > This is very vast area more the water on earth or surround of > > earth, > > > > this is pure Devine matter. > > > > > > > > People know very well the difference between Good and Bad, but > > they > > > > ask repeatedly. And one can understand it by practice not from > > Books, > > > > as if you understand soul, you may be able to understand > > almighty, > > > > same here if you are able to understand Mantra you may be able to > > > > understand the deity or almighty, as all deity are form of only > > one > > > > almighty. > > > > There are lot of books some are published in half way some not, > > which > > > > told about Tantra. > > > > As body have various part and sub Tantra like Pachan Tantra, > > Shwas > > > > Tantra, etc, same The Devine Tantra have various sub divisions or > > sub > > > > sub divisions. > > > > > > > > As supreme Almighty is one . in self is god and inself is Devil > > or > > > > demon , whatever you say, in Atharva sukt it is clearly said the > > > > peetha of almighty is adharma. > > > > In end we have very limited mind, thoughts, visions, and the > > creator > > > > of Universe is Unlimited in all manners and from all corners, so > > we > > > > even can't think a bit about him in dream in dream also. > > > > > > > > This topic is not for debate it is for feeling, as few blinds > > touch > > > > and feel elephant and describe in their words with different > > > > examples, same we are doing. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Dear Bohraji I am taking liberty to intervene this topic as I am practicing astrology for the past 15 years and done practice especially on remedies which includes these practices. these are actually abhichar and in prashna kundli you can detect them by Rahu Ketu axis along with position of Gulika. If you wish i can give simple methods which can be used by all to detect and remove it. Thanks regards uma , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: > > Dear Niket, > Thanks for your reply,We are student of Astrology which include all > subjects,of course Tantra also,can you elaborate the planetary > position of a chart which shows the relation with " Tantra " ?Sufferer or > expertise in this " Vidhya " . > > You have stated that safeguard is Worship Hanumanji or Durga Devi.It > seems that if you have strong will power no body can harm you,if will > power is weak than you have to do worship to make your will power > strong.If am I right than its all mind game there is no any external > force or Tantra.Mantra chanting,doing Havana are just creating the > atmosphere for changing the status of our mind,so all power are within > our mind.Some where I have read " God created Mind or Mind created > God " ,What is your opinion? > > It is really very god subject,The " Tantra " ,may I request to all > learned members of this forum to share their knowledge with us. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > > , " astroiniket " > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > dear Mr. Bohra, > > there are various methods to remove the evil usage, but first - > > before removal - one must know that what evil usage has been > > performed, for few usage their is no treatment - those are no > > treateble in any manner, but that is only 1% and knowing of those > > evil usage , i do not think, any person is present on earth, so 99% > > evil usage can be cured, but only when , it is know on early stage, > > now for general safegaurds : any one who is worship god by heart and > > soul in any form and devoted to almighty, will be saved without doing > > any thing. > > > > second if one came to know that some thing already done and not able > > to identify : then worship and 100% devotion to lord Hanuman or > > Godess Durga is more then sufficient. > > > > one can worship lord hanuman by his Panchmukhi Hanuman mantra. > > one can worship to godess Durga by doing Saptshati Paath (minimum 100 > > times continue till 100 days.) > > > > both upayas are ultimate, anything caused by any one must be removed. > > and person will get boon also. > > > > Needed only faith and devotion. > > > > rgds > > Niket > > > > , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Niket and Apoorva, > > > > > > Both of you have well elaborate the 'Tantra " .It seems both of you > > have > > > wast knowledge about it,Can you suggest the remedy to protect by any > > > " tantrik " offence? or pre-protection so any tantrik attack will not > > > damage any one.It will very helpful for all members who are not > > awaer > > > of this " Viddhya " . > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > In simple way I want to add " what is Tantra " I love to write in > > > > Sanskrit and in Hindi because English is not my language, i am > > not > > > > giving any detail here, aporva wrote a very good article with > > macro > > > > details, so no need to rewrite here again, even lot of remaing to > > > > write but not in one dose. > > > > > > > > " Tantra " is the name of system you can say; there are various > > > > branches of this system. > > > > There are only one thing " word knitting " that called Mantra , now > > you > > > > worship of idle or a geometrical idle which called Yantra, or you > > > > chant simple OM to evoke your Devine soul, or you do YOGA which > > is > > > > also in deep based on Sapt Chakra that is also part of Tantra, it > > > > also includes all type of worship, Fire Rituals. > > > > > > > > In all type of worship by any achara the main this that is > > mantra, > > > > mantra is soul of Tantra, Tantra is Body, and mantra is soul, > > > > separate from Mantra there is no Tantra or Yantra same vise versa. > > > > > > > > Well said, Tantra is system like our Government here no single > > man or > > > > department make government it have few divisions like � > > Karypalika, > > > > NyayaPalika, Vidhyika, and Public all this make Sarkari Tantra, > > same > > > > in Devine Mantra + Deity + worshiper + Materiel + Method makes > > > > Tantra. > > > > > > > > It depend on user how he want to use, giving you very simple > > example, > > > > when India vs. China happen on that time there was a great fire > > > > ritual to please goddess Baglamukhi at her famous Temple, now > > this > > > > was for benefit of the country , but if one want to do to make > > silent > > > > of his enemy it will work same. > > > > > > > > Tantra is not bad itself, the bad is intention. To understand > > Tantra > > > > may be 100yrs will not be enough. > > > > This is very vast area more the water on earth or surround of > > earth, > > > > this is pure Devine matter. > > > > > > > > People know very well the difference between Good and Bad, but > > they > > > > ask repeatedly. And one can understand it by practice not from > > Books, > > > > as if you understand soul, you may be able to understand > > almighty, > > > > same here if you are able to understand Mantra you may be able to > > > > understand the deity or almighty, as all deity are form of only > > one > > > > almighty. > > > > There are lot of books some are published in half way some not, > > which > > > > told about Tantra. > > > > As body have various part and sub Tantra like Pachan Tantra, > > Shwas > > > > Tantra, etc, same The Devine Tantra have various sub divisions or > > sub > > > > sub divisions. > > > > > > > > As supreme Almighty is one . in self is god and inself is Devil > > or > > > > demon , whatever you say, in Atharva sukt it is clearly said the > > > > peetha of almighty is adharma. > > > > In end we have very limited mind, thoughts, visions, and the > > creator > > > > of Universe is Unlimited in all manners and from all corners, so > > we > > > > even can't think a bit about him in dream in dream also. > > > > > > > > This topic is not for debate it is for feeling, as few blinds > > touch > > > > and feel elephant and describe in their words with different > > > > examples, same we are doing. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Dear Astroniket, Thanks to reserve your comments. I observe that you have taken my comments in negative way.I want to know the Astrological position which reflect the expertise or sufferer of 'Tantra'. You may observe many times when a person comes in a room all atmosphere change suddenly,and many time we inter in a place our mood change suddenly.Is it not 'Tantra " ?In my view 'Tantra " is pure science,a system which can change the other system.Our ancestor are so expert in this 'Vidhya',we can't reach near by them. Deffenatly if our own system is strong then other system can't be change our system,If other system(Tantra) is strong then it can harm our system.As i understand in simple way. I am not putting the question mark on existence of 'Tantra',I am learning the 'Tantra'.When ever you have time and wants to share your knowledge,please share with others for other benefit. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " astroiniket " <nakshtraniket wrote: > > dear Bohra, > i do not want discussion on these lines which you mentioned below in > your post, all are free to think whatever they wish, because it needs > lot of time, and i have very short of time due to my other work also. > > Thanks n rgds > Niket > , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Niket, > > Thanks for your reply,We are student of Astrology which include all > > subjects,of course Tantra also,can you elaborate the planetary > > position of a chart which shows the relation with " Tantra " ?Sufferer > or > > expertise in this " Vidhya " . > > > > You have stated that safeguard is Worship Hanumanji or Durga Devi.It > > seems that if you have strong will power no body can harm you,if > will > > power is weak than you have to do worship to make your will power > > strong.If am I right than its all mind game there is no any external > > force or Tantra.Mantra chanting,doing Havana are just creating the > > atmosphere for changing the status of our mind,so all power are > within > > our mind.Some where I have read " God created Mind or Mind created > > God " ,What is your opinion? > > > > It is really very god subject,The " Tantra " ,may I request to all > > learned members of this forum to share their knowledge with us. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > dear Mr. Bohra, > > > there are various methods to remove the evil usage, but first - > > > before removal - one must know that what evil usage has been > > > performed, for few usage their is no treatment - those are no > > > treateble in any manner, but that is only 1% and knowing of those > > > evil usage , i do not think, any person is present on earth, so > 99% > > > evil usage can be cured, but only when , it is know on early > stage, > > > now for general safegaurds : any one who is worship god by heart > and > > > soul in any form and devoted to almighty, will be saved without > doing > > > any thing. > > > > > > second if one came to know that some thing already done and not > able > > > to identify : then worship and 100% devotion to lord Hanuman or > > > Godess Durga is more then sufficient. > > > > > > one can worship lord hanuman by his Panchmukhi Hanuman mantra. > > > one can worship to godess Durga by doing Saptshati Paath (minimum > 100 > > > times continue till 100 days.) > > > > > > both upayas are ultimate, anything caused by any one must be > removed. > > > and person will get boon also. > > > > > > Needed only faith and devotion. > > > > > > rgds > > > Niket > > > > > > , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Niket and Apoorva, > > > > > > > > Both of you have well elaborate the 'Tantra " .It seems both of > you > > > have > > > > wast knowledge about it,Can you suggest the remedy to protect > by any > > > > " tantrik " offence? or pre-protection so any tantrik attack will > not > > > > damage any one.It will very helpful for all members who are not > > > awaer > > > > of this " Viddhya " . > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In simple way I want to add " what is Tantra " I love to write > in > > > > > Sanskrit and in Hindi because English is not my language, i > am > > > not > > > > > giving any detail here, aporva wrote a very good article with > > > macro > > > > > details, so no need to rewrite here again, even lot of > remaing to > > > > > write but not in one dose. > > > > > > > > > > " Tantra " is the name of system you can say; there are various > > > > > branches of this system. > > > > > There are only one thing " word knitting " that called Mantra , > now > > > you > > > > > worship of idle or a geometrical idle which called Yantra, or > you > > > > > chant simple OM to evoke your Devine soul, or you do YOGA > which > > > is > > > > > also in deep based on Sapt Chakra that is also part of > Tantra, it > > > > > also includes all type of worship, Fire Rituals. > > > > > > > > > > In all type of worship by any achara the main this that is > > > mantra, > > > > > mantra is soul of Tantra, Tantra is Body, and mantra is > soul, > > > > > separate from Mantra there is no Tantra or Yantra same vise > versa. > > > > > > > > > > Well said, Tantra is system like our Government here no > single > > > man or > > > > > department make government it have few divisions like – > > > Karypalika, > > > > > NyayaPalika, Vidhyika, and Public all this make Sarkari > Tantra, > > > same > > > > > in Devine Mantra + Deity + worshiper + Materiel + Method > makes > > > > > Tantra. > > > > > > > > > > It depend on user how he want to use, giving you very simple > > > example, > > > > > when India vs. China happen on that time there was a great > fire > > > > > ritual to please goddess Baglamukhi at her famous Temple, > now > > > this > > > > > was for benefit of the country , but if one want to do to > make > > > silent > > > > > of his enemy it will work same. > > > > > > > > > > Tantra is not bad itself, the bad is intention. To understand > > > Tantra > > > > > may be 100yrs will not be enough. > > > > > This is very vast area more the water on earth or surround of > > > earth, > > > > > this is pure Devine matter. > > > > > > > > > > People know very well the difference between Good and Bad, > but > > > they > > > > > ask repeatedly. And one can understand it by practice not > from > > > Books, > > > > > as if you understand soul, you may be able to understand > > > almighty, > > > > > same here if you are able to understand Mantra you may be > able to > > > > > understand the deity or almighty, as all deity are form of > only > > > one > > > > > almighty. > > > > > There are lot of books some are published in half way some > not, > > > which > > > > > told about Tantra. > > > > > As body have various part and sub Tantra like Pachan Tantra, > > > Shwas > > > > > Tantra, etc, same The Devine Tantra have various sub > divisions or > > > sub > > > > > sub divisions. > > > > > > > > > > As supreme Almighty is one . in self is god and inself is > Devil > > > or > > > > > demon , whatever you say, in Atharva sukt it is clearly said > the > > > > > peetha of almighty is adharma. > > > > > In end we have very limited mind, thoughts, visions, and the > > > creator > > > > > of Universe is Unlimited in all manners and from all corners, > so > > > we > > > > > even can't think a bit about him in dream in dream also. > > > > > > > > > > This topic is not for debate it is for feeling, as few blinds > > > touch > > > > > and feel elephant and describe in their words with different > > > > > examples, same we are doing. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Dear Umaji, I like your initiative .Definiatly I would like to learn more so please write the methods to know about it. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " uma " <brokenchimes2004 wrote: > > > Dear Bohraji > I am taking liberty to intervene this topic as I am practicing > astrology for the past 15 years and done practice especially on > remedies which includes these practices. these are actually abhichar > and in prashna kundli you can detect them by Rahu Ketu axis along with > position of Gulika. > If you wish i can give simple methods which can be used by all to > detect and remove it. > > Thanks > regards > uma > > , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Niket, > > Thanks for your reply,We are student of Astrology which include all > > subjects,of course Tantra also,can you elaborate the planetary > > position of a chart which shows the relation with " Tantra " ?Sufferer or > > expertise in this " Vidhya " . > > > > You have stated that safeguard is Worship Hanumanji or Durga Devi.It > > seems that if you have strong will power no body can harm you,if will > > power is weak than you have to do worship to make your will power > > strong.If am I right than its all mind game there is no any external > > force or Tantra.Mantra chanting,doing Havana are just creating the > > atmosphere for changing the status of our mind,so all power are within > > our mind.Some where I have read " God created Mind or Mind created > > God " ,What is your opinion? > > > > It is really very god subject,The " Tantra " ,may I request to all > > learned members of this forum to share their knowledge with us. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > dear Mr. Bohra, > > > there are various methods to remove the evil usage, but first - > > > before removal - one must know that what evil usage has been > > > performed, for few usage their is no treatment - those are no > > > treateble in any manner, but that is only 1% and knowing of those > > > evil usage , i do not think, any person is present on earth, so 99% > > > evil usage can be cured, but only when , it is know on early stage, > > > now for general safegaurds : any one who is worship god by heart and > > > soul in any form and devoted to almighty, will be saved without doing > > > any thing. > > > > > > second if one came to know that some thing already done and not able > > > to identify : then worship and 100% devotion to lord Hanuman or > > > Godess Durga is more then sufficient. > > > > > > one can worship lord hanuman by his Panchmukhi Hanuman mantra. > > > one can worship to godess Durga by doing Saptshati Paath (minimum 100 > > > times continue till 100 days.) > > > > > > both upayas are ultimate, anything caused by any one must be removed. > > > and person will get boon also. > > > > > > Needed only faith and devotion. > > > > > > rgds > > > Niket > > > > > > , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Niket and Apoorva, > > > > > > > > Both of you have well elaborate the 'Tantra " .It seems both of you > > > have > > > > wast knowledge about it,Can you suggest the remedy to protect by any > > > > " tantrik " offence? or pre-protection so any tantrik attack will not > > > > damage any one.It will very helpful for all members who are not > > > awaer > > > > of this " Viddhya " . > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In simple way I want to add " what is Tantra " I love to write in > > > > > Sanskrit and in Hindi because English is not my language, i am > > > not > > > > > giving any detail here, aporva wrote a very good article with > > > macro > > > > > details, so no need to rewrite here again, even lot of remaing to > > > > > write but not in one dose. > > > > > > > > > > " Tantra " is the name of system you can say; there are various > > > > > branches of this system. > > > > > There are only one thing " word knitting " that called Mantra , now > > > you > > > > > worship of idle or a geometrical idle which called Yantra, or you > > > > > chant simple OM to evoke your Devine soul, or you do YOGA which > > > is > > > > > also in deep based on Sapt Chakra that is also part of Tantra, it > > > > > also includes all type of worship, Fire Rituals. > > > > > > > > > > In all type of worship by any achara the main this that is > > > mantra, > > > > > mantra is soul of Tantra, Tantra is Body, and mantra is soul, > > > > > separate from Mantra there is no Tantra or Yantra same vise versa. > > > > > > > > > > Well said, Tantra is system like our Government here no single > > > man or > > > > > department make government it have few divisions like � > > > Karypalika, > > > > > NyayaPalika, Vidhyika, and Public all this make Sarkari Tantra, > > > same > > > > > in Devine Mantra + Deity + worshiper + Materiel + Method makes > > > > > Tantra. > > > > > > > > > > It depend on user how he want to use, giving you very simple > > > example, > > > > > when India vs. China happen on that time there was a great fire > > > > > ritual to please goddess Baglamukhi at her famous Temple, now > > > this > > > > > was for benefit of the country , but if one want to do to make > > > silent > > > > > of his enemy it will work same. > > > > > > > > > > Tantra is not bad itself, the bad is intention. To understand > > > Tantra > > > > > may be 100yrs will not be enough. > > > > > This is very vast area more the water on earth or surround of > > > earth, > > > > > this is pure Devine matter. > > > > > > > > > > People know very well the difference between Good and Bad, but > > > they > > > > > ask repeatedly. And one can understand it by practice not from > > > Books, > > > > > as if you understand soul, you may be able to understand > > > almighty, > > > > > same here if you are able to understand Mantra you may be able to > > > > > understand the deity or almighty, as all deity are form of only > > > one > > > > > almighty. > > > > > There are lot of books some are published in half way some not, > > > which > > > > > told about Tantra. > > > > > As body have various part and sub Tantra like Pachan Tantra, > > > Shwas > > > > > Tantra, etc, same The Devine Tantra have various sub divisions or > > > sub > > > > > sub divisions. > > > > > > > > > > As supreme Almighty is one . in self is god and inself is Devil > > > or > > > > > demon , whatever you say, in Atharva sukt it is clearly said the > > > > > peetha of almighty is adharma. > > > > > In end we have very limited mind, thoughts, visions, and the > > > creator > > > > > of Universe is Unlimited in all manners and from all corners, so > > > we > > > > > even can't think a bit about him in dream in dream also. > > > > > > > > > > This topic is not for debate it is for feeling, as few blinds > > > touch > > > > > and feel elephant and describe in their words with different > > > > > examples, same we are doing. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 dear uma ji if you can give us simple method to check it and how we can see tantric dosh in lagan kundli. thanks, with regards,vijay kumar arora --- On Wed, 12/17/08, uma <brokenchimes2004 wrote: uma <brokenchimes2004 Re: TANTRA ?????????-Mr. Bohra Received: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 7:07 PM Dear Bohraji I am taking liberty to intervene this topic as I am practicing astrology for the past 15 years and done practice especially on remedies which includes these practices. these are actually abhichar and in prashna kundli you can detect them by Rahu Ketu axis along with position of Gulika. If you wish i can give simple methods which can be used by all to detect and remove it. Thanks regards uma , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Niket, > Thanks for your reply,We are student of Astrology which include all > subjects,of course Tantra also,can you elaborate the planetary > position of a chart which shows the relation with " Tantra " ?Sufferer or > expertise in this " Vidhya " . > > You have stated that safeguard is Worship Hanumanji or Durga Devi.It > seems that if you have strong will power no body can harm you,if will > power is weak than you have to do worship to make your will power > strong.If am I right than its all mind game there is no any external > force or Tantra.Mantra chanting,doing Havana are just creating the > atmosphere for changing the status of our mind,so all power are within > our mind.Some where I have read " God created Mind or Mind created > God " ,What is your opinion? > > It is really very god subject,The " Tantra " ,may I request to all > learned members of this forum to share their knowledge with us. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > > , " astroiniket " > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote: > > > > dear Mr. Bohra, > > there are various methods to remove the evil usage, but first - > > before removal - one must know that what evil usage has been > > performed, for few usage their is no treatment - those are no > > treateble in any manner, but that is only 1% and knowing of those > > evil usage , i do not think, any person is present on earth, so 99% > > evil usage can be cured, but only when , it is know on early stage, > > now for general safegaurds : any one who is worship god by heart and > > soul in any form and devoted to almighty, will be saved without doing > > any thing. > > > > second if one came to know that some thing already done and not able > > to identify : then worship and 100% devotion to lord Hanuman or > > Godess Durga is more then sufficient. > > > > one can worship lord hanuman by his Panchmukhi Hanuman mantra. > > one can worship to godess Durga by doing Saptshati Paath (minimum 100 > > times continue till 100 days.) > > > > both upayas are ultimate, anything caused by any one must be removed. > > and person will get boon also. > > > > Needed only faith and devotion. > > > > rgds > > Niket > > > > , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Niket and Apoorva, > > > > > > Both of you have well elaborate the 'Tantra " .It seems both of you > > have > > > wast knowledge about it,Can you suggest the remedy to protect by any > > > " tantrik " offence? or pre-protection so any tantrik attack will not > > > damage any one.It will very helpful for all members who are not > > awaer > > > of this " Viddhya " . > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > In simple way I want to add " what is Tantra " I love to write in > > > > Sanskrit and in Hindi because English is not my language, i am > > not > > > > giving any detail here, aporva wrote a very good article with > > macro > > > > details, so no need to rewrite here again, even lot of remaing to > > > > write but not in one dose. > > > > > > > > " Tantra " is the name of system you can say; there are various > > > > branches of this system. > > > > There are only one thing " word knitting " that called Mantra , now > > you > > > > worship of idle or a geometrical idle which called Yantra, or you > > > > chant simple OM to evoke your Devine soul, or you do YOGA which > > is > > > > also in deep based on Sapt Chakra that is also part of Tantra, it > > > > also includes all type of worship, Fire Rituals. > > > > > > > > In all type of worship by any achara the main this that is > > mantra, > > > > mantra is soul of Tantra, Tantra is Body, and mantra is soul, > > > > separate from Mantra there is no Tantra or Yantra same vise versa. > > > > > > > > Well said, Tantra is system like our Government here no single > > man or > > > > department make government it have few divisions like � > > Karypalika, > > > > NyayaPalika, Vidhyika, and Public all this make Sarkari Tantra, > > same > > > > in Devine Mantra + Deity + worshiper + Materiel + Method makes > > > > Tantra. > > > > > > > > It depend on user how he want to use, giving you very simple > > example, > > > > when India vs. China happen on that time there was a great fire > > > > ritual to please goddess Baglamukhi at her famous Temple, now > > this > > > > was for benefit of the country , but if one want to do to make > > silent > > > > of his enemy it will work same. > > > > > > > > Tantra is not bad itself, the bad is intention. To understand > > Tantra > > > > may be 100yrs will not be enough. > > > > This is very vast area more the water on earth or surround of > > earth, > > > > this is pure Devine matter. > > > > > > > > People know very well the difference between Good and Bad, but > > they > > > > ask repeatedly. And one can understand it by practice not from > > Books, > > > > as if you understand soul, you may be able to understand > > almighty, > > > > same here if you are able to understand Mantra you may be able to > > > > understand the deity or almighty, as all deity are form of only > > one > > > > almighty. > > > > There are lot of books some are published in half way some not, > > which > > > > told about Tantra. > > > > As body have various part and sub Tantra like Pachan Tantra, > > Shwas > > > > Tantra, etc, same The Devine Tantra have various sub divisions or > > sub > > > > sub divisions. > > > > > > > > As supreme Almighty is one . in self is god and inself is Devil > > or > > > > demon , whatever you say, in Atharva sukt it is clearly said the > > > > peetha of almighty is adharma. > > > > In end we have very limited mind, thoughts, visions, and the > > creator > > > > of Universe is Unlimited in all manners and from all corners, so > > we > > > > even can't think a bit about him in dream in dream also. > > > > > > > > This topic is not for debate it is for feeling, as few blinds > > touch > > > > and feel elephant and describe in their words with different > > > > examples, same we are doing. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > ________________ Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. 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Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Dear Bohra ji, ALL THAT YOU PERCEIVE and not just the realm of magic (for simplicity let us lump all that is non-physical) *is* in the mind. and thus is internal. There is really nothing external or outside of you in fact. Let me give you a simple example. Sometimes dentists give an injection that numbs the sensations in the lips. If in that " frozen " state you were to bring a cup to your lips, you could swear that the edge of the cup was broken. This is because you would not be able to feel it. Seeing the cup would confirm that the cup is not broken, but part of your perception system is, your sensing system is compromised. If you were blind, you would not be able to confirm the intactness of the cup, but you could run your finger and verify that the cup edge was indeed intact. Most of us assume that our senses are perfect and what we can sense through the five senses and ten sensory organs are what external reality truly is. But really it is inside us and we project it outside. If we were to enhance our sensitivity, we would find that not only physics but magic lives in the same reality and really is all part of Nature and its laws. Sadly, people being what they are, we tend to try and fit everything in the strongest " model " of All That Is, without realizing that we are still trying to figure out what the elephant looks like. We are still exploring reality and should not close our mind and think that we or someone before us has defined it completely. Including the Venerable Sages! Some parts of reality that they perceived might have been higher than what we can do, but that in itself does not make their vision complete or completely true! To a child in kindergarten, the big brother in grade 12 might seem like someone who knows it all, but there are many mansions of knowing beyond that! Please keep asking and don't settle for what you get as a final answer, from experts, from big brothers, gurus, rishis and who knows maybe God as we have been told or that we conceive, visualize etc may be just a milestone in the growth of the Soul. Like the expanding universe, the soul keeps growing too and in the time frame that we know as time, perahps forever! RR , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: >... >If am I right than its all mind game there is no any external > force or Tantra.Mantra chanting,doing Havana are just creating the > atmosphere for changing the status of our mind,so all power are within > our mind.Some where I have read " God created Mind or Mind created > God " ,What is your opinion? > > It is really very god subject,The " Tantra " ,may I request to all > learned members of this forum to share their knowledge with us. > ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Respected Rohiniranjanji, //Most of us assume that our senses are perfect and what we can sense through the five senses and ten sensory organs are what external reality truly is. But really it is inside us and we project it outside.// Your post is just like a Sage exploring the truth of Universe.We are just like a best crop seed who can produce the best in the Universe.Because we have very rich Hindu-Dharm culture and our forefather have contributed to make it best.They have imaged 36 crore Devi-Devta each of one repersent the symbol of Nature,of this Universe.They are so versatile and understand the Human-Psychology so they created 36 Cr's worship symbols for us.They know human mind have the power to do everything,as lord Krishna said in Geeta " The whole Universe in me and I am in whole Universe " .Astrology includes each and everything have the Universe, we have to learn it.Now we are just learning their(Our forefathers including Krishna) work only,not able to create any new.In other way they are so perfect, we are unable to create any new. As like best crop seeds needed the expert Farmer to produce the best crop,we are also needed the expert,Guru,Guide,Teacher to obtain the best knowledge to explore our best.Whenever find any body like this I like to learn from him or her. Some wisdom person have written " Everything firstly happened in the 'Mind' than concluded in reality " .Human mind have everything but needed to know it to explore his abilities,for that we are searching every time and learning. Regards, M.S.Bohra , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Dear Bohra ji, > > ALL THAT YOU PERCEIVE and not just the realm of magic (for simplicity > let us lump all that is non-physical) *is* in the mind. and thus is > internal. There is really nothing external or outside of you in fact. > > Let me give you a simple example. Sometimes dentists give an injection > that numbs the sensations in the lips. If in that " frozen " state you > were to bring a cup to your lips, you could swear that the edge of the > cup was broken. This is because you would not be able to feel it. > Seeing the cup would confirm that the cup is not broken, but part of > your perception system is, your sensing system is compromised. If you > were blind, you would not be able to confirm the intactness of the cup, > but you could run your finger and verify that the cup edge was indeed > intact. > > Most of us assume that our senses are perfect and what we can sense > through the five senses and ten sensory organs are what external > reality truly is. But really it is inside us and we project it outside. > > If we were to enhance our sensitivity, we would find that not only > physics but magic lives in the same reality and really is all part of > Nature and its laws. > > Sadly, people being what they are, we tend to try and fit everything in > the strongest " model " of All That Is, without realizing that we are > still trying to figure out what the elephant looks like. We are still > exploring reality and should not close our mind and think that we or > someone before us has defined it completely. Including the Venerable > Sages! Some parts of reality that they perceived might have been higher > than what we can do, but that in itself does not make their vision > complete or completely true! > > To a child in kindergarten, the big brother in grade 12 might seem like > someone who knows it all, but there are many mansions of knowing beyond > that! > > Please keep asking and don't settle for what you get as a final answer, > from experts, from big brothers, gurus, rishis and who knows maybe God > as we have been told or that we conceive, visualize etc may be just a > milestone in the growth of the Soul. Like the expanding universe, the > soul keeps growing too and in the time frame that we know as time, > perahps forever! > > RR > > , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@> > wrote: > >... > >If am I right than its all mind game there is no any external > > force or Tantra.Mantra chanting,doing Havana are just creating the > > atmosphere for changing the status of our mind,so all power are within > > our mind.Some where I have read " God created Mind or Mind created > > God " ,What is your opinion? > > > > It is really very god subject,The " Tantra " ,may I request to all > > learned members of this forum to share their knowledge with us. > > ... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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