Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read and seen during havana also that these kind of mantra requires " homa " (i.e.. some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras i have seen are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is no havan. I wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Dear Raja, Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is generalyy used for offering something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used in sraddha karmas for Pittris. Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, i.e `Namah' mantras where `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras are for surrender to the lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat forcing the Devata to grant the result. So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord knows what is best suitable for us. Regards Jk On Behalf Of Raja Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM swaha Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read and seen during havana also that these kind of mantra requires " homa " (i.e.. some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras i have seen are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is no havan. I wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri hari markatam markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Dear Raja, > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is generalyy used for offering > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used in sraddha karmas for > Pittris. > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, i.e `Namah' mantras where > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras are for surrender to the > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat forcing the Devata to > grant the result. > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord knows what is best > suitable for us. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > swaha > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read and seen > during havana also that these kind of mantra requires " homa " (i.e.. > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras i have seen > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is no havan. I > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 words and 13 letter mantra. That means it will draw energy from your shatrubhava or rogabhava and give result on yr lagna. Regards Jk On Behalf Of Raja Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM Re: swaha so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri hari markatam markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Dear Raja, > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is generalyy used for offering > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used in sraddha karmas for > Pittris. > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, i.e `Namah' mantras where > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras are for surrender to the > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat forcing the Devata to > grant the result. > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord knows what is best > suitable for us. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > swaha > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read and seen > during havana also that these kind of mantra requires " homa " (i.e.. > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras i have seen > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is no havan. I > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Dear Dasgupta Ji You seem to be very good in the knaowledg of Mantra. I request you to write something about some common Mantra which people use in their daily lives or they should be careful about while doing Jaap of Mantra. With regards Sushma , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 words and 13 letter mantra. > That means it will draw energy from your shatrubhava or rogabhava and give > result on yr lagna. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > Re: swaha > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri hari markatam > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is generalyy used for > offering > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used in sraddha > karmas for > > Pittris. > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, i.e `Namah' > mantras where > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras are for > surrender to the > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat forcing the > Devata to > > grant the result. > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord knows what is > best > > suitable for us. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > swaha > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read and seen > > during havana also that these kind of mantra requires " homa " > (i.e.. > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras i have > seen > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is no > havan. I > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Dasguptaji, i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra supposed to protect from shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what i am thinking it should? If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does that mean it'd strengthen lagna from 5th house? please shed some light. thanks, raja , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 words and 13 letter mantra. > That means it will draw energy from your shatrubhava or rogabhava and give > result on yr lagna. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > Re: swaha > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri hari markatam > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is generalyy used for > offering > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used in sraddha > karmas for > > Pittris. > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, i.e `Namah' > mantras where > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras are for > surrender to the > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat forcing the > Devata to > > grant the result. > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord knows what is > best > > suitable for us. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > swaha > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read and seen > > during havana also that these kind of mantra requires " homa " > (i.e.. > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras i have > seen > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is no > havan. I > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Raja, Have you completely killed and gained over the " Ravan " within your good self? I think therein lies the answer to your question... RR , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > Dasguptaji, > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra supposed to protect from > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what i am thinking it > should? > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does that mean it'd > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > please shed some light. > > thanks, > raja > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 words and 13 letter > mantra. > > That means it will draw energy from your shatrubhava or rogabhava > and give > > result on yr lagna. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri hari markatam > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is generalyy used > for > > offering > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used in sraddha > > karmas for > > > Pittris. > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, i.e `Namah' > > mantras where > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras are for > > surrender to the > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat forcing the > > Devata to > > > grant the result. > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord knows what is > > best > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read and > seen > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra requires " homa " > > (i.e.. > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras i have > > seen > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is no > > havan. I > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Ravan is very well alive in all of us hence the need of hanuman mantra. RRji, I have to put some extra effort to comprehend your answers. . I am fascinated by analogy dasguptaji has pointed so am very curious now. I will do some research in mantra-mahodadhi about the mantra and how should it be used. , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Raja, > > Have you completely killed and gained over the " Ravan " within your > good self? I think therein lies the answer to your question... > > RR > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra supposed to protect > from > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what i am thinking > it > > should? > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does that mean it'd > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > please shed some light. > > > > thanks, > > raja > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 words and 13 > letter > > mantra. > > > That means it will draw energy from your shatrubhava or rogabhava > > and give > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri hari markatam > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is generalyy > used > > for > > > offering > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used in sraddha > > > karmas for > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, i.e `Namah' > > > mantras where > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras are for > > > surrender to the > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat forcing the > > > Devata to > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord knows what > is > > > best > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read and > > seen > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra requires " homa " > > > (i.e.. > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras i > have > > > seen > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is no > > > havan. I > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 True but in that case Sankat-Vimochan would first get to and wipe out the Ravan within the worshipper so that The Mighty One can *execute* from a clean and pure base (Peetha)! In other words it is not just about 'numbers' and repetitions, but about the real intent of the worshipper! RR , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > Ravan is very well alive in all of us hence the need of hanuman > mantra. RRji, I have to put some extra effort to comprehend your > answers. . I am fascinated by analogy dasguptaji has pointed so am > very curious now. > I will do some research in mantra-mahodadhi about the mantra and how > should it be used. > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Raja, > > > > Have you completely killed and gained over the " Ravan " within your > > good self? I think therein lies the answer to your question... > > > > RR > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra supposed to protect > > from > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what i am thinking > > it > > > should? > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does that mean it'd > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > thanks, > > > raja > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 words and 13 > > letter > > > mantra. > > > > That means it will draw energy from your shatrubhava or > rogabhava > > > and give > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri hari markatam > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is generalyy > > used > > > for > > > > offering > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used in > sraddha > > > > karmas for > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, i.e > `Namah' > > > > mantras where > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras are for > > > > surrender to the > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat forcing > the > > > > Devata to > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord knows > what > > is > > > > best > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read > and > > > seen > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra requires " homa " > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras i > > have > > > > seen > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is no > > > > havan. I > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Ravan is our inner ego or ahamkar which should be destroyed anyway , right? , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > True but in that case Sankat-Vimochan would first get to and wipe out > the Ravan within the worshipper so that The Mighty One can *execute* > from a clean and pure base (Peetha)! In other words it is not just > about 'numbers' and repetitions, but about the real intent of the > worshipper! > > RR > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > Ravan is very well alive in all of us hence the need of hanuman > > mantra. RRji, I have to put some extra effort to comprehend your > > answers. . I am fascinated by analogy dasguptaji has pointed so > am > > very curious now. > > I will do some research in mantra-mahodadhi about the mantra and > how > > should it be used. > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Raja, > > > > > > Have you completely killed and gained over the " Ravan " within > your > > > good self? I think therein lies the answer to your question... > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra supposed to protect > > > from > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what i am > thinking > > > it > > > > should? > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does that mean it'd > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > raja > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 words and 13 > > > letter > > > > mantra. > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your shatrubhava or > > rogabhava > > > > and give > > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri hari > markatam > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is > generalyy > > > used > > > > for > > > > > offering > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used in > > sraddha > > > > > karmas for > > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, i.e > > `Namah' > > > > > mantras where > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras are for > > > > > surrender to the > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat > forcing > > the > > > > > Devata to > > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord knows > > what > > > is > > > > > best > > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read > > and > > > > seen > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra > requires " homa " > > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras > i > > > have > > > > > seen > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is > no > > > > > havan. I > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Dear Raja, When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else there are some perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else it can creat havoc. How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in protecting you? Lord Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the placement of Mars in your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he started chanting Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any house is maraka of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is jala tattwa. And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what happened. Either agni will get finished or jala will get finished. There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None will do it except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of the 6th lord (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. Also, If any planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to make one dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help. Ista is denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there is no planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which diety are explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be fullfilled by just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari-mantra, one lost his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a mantra for a person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only. Pt. Sanjay Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought out in clarity. So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, unless you get proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on mantra, different types and how to understand the effect of any perticular mantra and post it in the list - whenever i find some time Regards Jk On Behalf Of Raja Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM Re: swaha Dasguptaji, i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra supposed to protect from shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what i am thinking it should? If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does that mean it'd strengthen lagna from 5th house? please shed some light. thanks, raja , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 words and 13 letter mantra. > That means it will draw energy from your shatrubhava or rogabhava and give > result on yr lagna. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > Re: swaha > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri hari markatam > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is generalyy used for > offering > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used in sraddha > karmas for > > Pittris. > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, i.e `Namah' > mantras where > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras are for > surrender to the > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat forcing the > Devata to > > grant the result. > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord knows what is > best > > suitable for us. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > swaha > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read and seen > > during havana also that these kind of mantra requires " homa " > (i.e.. > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras i have > seen > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is no > havan. I > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Dasgupta ji, Like a good students, I would like to summarize my notes :-) on what we have been discussing about Mantra and Mantra Shastra. You can build upon this later when you document. - According to Mantra shastra, Mantra should be initiated per horoscope and strength of its attributes (i.e.. house, planet, lord of house etc) - Every mantra has a Source house from which it takes energy and destination house where it applies the energy. - Mantra is basically construction of words and also letters obviously. - Mantra words becomes the source and letters becomes destination. - for e.g.. " OM HARI " is the vashnav mantra. Let's break it down per mantra shastra. I picked small mantra for ease of understanding. - Om HARI is tri-akshari and dwi-shabdi. (3 letters i.e.. om HA RI and 2 words OM HARI) - Source house for said mantra in horo would be - 2nd house - Destination house for said mantra is - 3rd house. - So from 2nd house energy would be drained and provided to strengthen the 3rd house. - Let's take me as an example. In my horo 2nd house is Kumbha and have no planets. - my 3rd house is meena with moon in it. - by chanting this mantra- wealth stahn would be drained and moon will be strengthen and attributes of 3rd house woul become strong. I may become parakrami,tolerence, and my siblings would benefit also fro mthis mantra.(3rd house). check and see if i summarized it correctly and add your thoughts. Now question is - by chanting this mantra, does source house weakens? i.e 2nd house in this example. I wouldn ot want to drain my 2nd house at all as it is dhan sthan. - Raja , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Dear Raja, > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else there are some > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else it can creat > havoc. > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in protecting you? Lord > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the placement of Mars in > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he started chanting > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any house is maraka > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is jala tattwa. > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what happened. Either agni > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None will do it > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of the 6th lord > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. Also, If any > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to make one > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help. Ista is > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there is no > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which diety are > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be fullfilled by > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari-mantra, one lost > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a mantra for a > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only. Pt. Sanjay > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought out in clarity. > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, unless you get > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on mantra, different > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular mantra and post it > in the list - whenever i find some time > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > Re: swaha > > > Dasguptaji, > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra supposed to protect from > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what i am thinking it > should? > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does that mean it'd > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > please shed some light. > > thanks, > raja > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 words and 13 letter > mantra. > > That means it will draw energy from your shatrubhava or rogabhava > and give > > result on yr lagna. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri hari markatam > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is generalyy used > for > > offering > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used in sraddha > > karmas for > > > Pittris. > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, i.e `Namah' > > mantras where > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras are for > > surrender to the > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat forcing the > > Devata to > > > grant the result. > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord knows what is > > best > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read and > seen > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra requires " homa " > > (i.e.. > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras i have > > seen > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is no > > havan. I > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Mantra can be initiated by a siddha guru only. Then no selection etc. are required and the guru by his own power enlightens the mantra in his disciple's body. When we astrologers suggest mantras, we try to limit it in prashiddha mantras only. If it is not a prashidya mantra, then selection of a perticular mantra to serve a perticular purpose is a bit lengthy process. In rare case I personally advice the native to do so. However in that case I first advice the Sadashiva bija for 60 days. There are four levels of guru. Guru, Param Guru, Paratpar Guru & Parameshthi Guru, like four levels of education viz. schooling, bachelor degree, master degree & PHD. A true guru will not give initiation to somebody unless he is permitted by his guru or param guru. Param guru will not give OK unless permitted by his guru i.e paratpar guru. At the highest level Parameshthi guru is SadaShiva. By doing SadaShiva mantra, Sadasiva himself will initiate you. In this yuga finding a true guru is so difficult. But you have to do pranapratistha & deepana of the mantra for yourself. There are ways, and I would not like to discuss those in a public forum. " I may become parakrami " Parakram is seen at 3rd from Arudha lagna. 3rd from lagna is sthana of Guru upadesha, right hand. It is a Upachaya house, house of growth. 'does source house weakens?' Never, you are using the unutilised energy of a house. More later, Regards Jk On Behalf Of Raja Thursday, January 01, 2009 1:28 PM Re: swaha Dasgupta ji, Like a good students, I would like to summarize my notes :-) on what we have been discussing about Mantra and Mantra Shastra. You can build upon this later when you document. - According to Mantra shastra, Mantra should be initiated per horoscope and strength of its attributes (i.e.. house, planet, lord of house etc) - Every mantra has a Source house from which it takes energy and destination house where it applies the energy. - Mantra is basically construction of words and also letters obviously. - Mantra words becomes the source and letters becomes destination. - for e.g.. " OM HARI " is the vashnav mantra. Let's break it down per mantra shastra. I picked small mantra for ease of understanding. - Om HARI is tri-akshari and dwi-shabdi. (3 letters i.e.. om HA RI and 2 words OM HARI) - Source house for said mantra in horo would be - 2nd house - Destination house for said mantra is - 3rd house. - So from 2nd house energy would be drained and provided to strengthen the 3rd house. - Let's take me as an example. In my horo 2nd house is Kumbha and have no planets. - my 3rd house is meena with moon in it. - by chanting this mantra- wealth stahn would be drained and moon will be strengthen and attributes of 3rd house woul become strong. I may become parakrami,tolerence, and my siblings would benefit also fro mthis mantra.(3rd house). check and see if i summarized it correctly and add your thoughts. Now question is - by chanting this mantra, does source house weakens? i.e 2nd house in this example. I wouldn ot want to drain my 2nd house at all as it is dhan sthan. - Raja , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Dear Raja, > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else there are some > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else it can creat > havoc. > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in protecting you? Lord > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the placement of Mars in > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he started chanting > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any house is maraka > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is jala tattwa. > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what happened. Either agni > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None will do it > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of the 6th lord > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. Also, If any > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to make one > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help. Ista is > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there is no > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which diety are > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be fullfilled by > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari-mantra, one lost > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a mantra for a > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only. Pt. Sanjay > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought out in clarity. > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, unless you get > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on mantra, different > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular mantra and post it > in the list - whenever i find some time > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > Re: swaha > > > Dasguptaji, > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra supposed to protect from > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what i am thinking it > should? > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does that mean it'd > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > please shed some light. > > thanks, > raja > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 words and 13 letter > mantra. > > That means it will draw energy from your shatrubhava or rogabhava > and give > > result on yr lagna. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri hari markatam > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is generalyy used > for > > offering > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used in sraddha > > karmas for > > > Pittris. > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, i.e `Namah' > > mantras where > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras are for > > surrender to the > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat forcing the > > Devata to > > > grant the result. > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord knows what is > > best > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read and > seen > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra requires " homa " > > (i.e.. > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras i have > > seen > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is no > > havan. I > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 on further research of this, i would like t oadd a thing called DevSthan which is also important in addition to Source and Destination of the mantra. Potency of Mantra could be different depending on devsthan. Please add your thoughts hear Dasguptaji. , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > Dasgupta ji, > > Like a good students, I would like to summarize my notes :-) on what > we have been discussing about Mantra and Mantra Shastra. You can > build upon this later when you document. > > - According to Mantra shastra, Mantra should be initiated per > horoscope and strength of its attributes (i.e.. house, planet, lord > of house etc) > - Every mantra has a Source house from which it takes energy and > destination house where it applies the energy. > - Mantra is basically construction of words and also letters > obviously. > - Mantra words becomes the source and letters becomes destination. > - for e.g.. " OM HARI " is the vashnav mantra. Let's break it down per > mantra shastra. I picked small mantra for ease of understanding. > - Om HARI is tri-akshari and dwi-shabdi. (3 letters i.e.. om HA RI > and 2 words OM HARI) > - Source house for said mantra in horo would be - 2nd house > - Destination house for said mantra is - 3rd house. > - So from 2nd house energy would be drained and provided to > strengthen the 3rd house. > - Let's take me as an example. In my horo 2nd house is Kumbha and > have no planets. > - my 3rd house is meena with moon in it. > - by chanting this mantra- wealth stahn would be drained and moon > will be strengthen and attributes of 3rd house woul become strong. I > may become parakrami,tolerence, and my siblings would benefit also > fro mthis mantra.(3rd house). > > check and see if i summarized it correctly and add your thoughts. > > Now question is - by chanting this mantra, does source house weakens? > i.e 2nd house in this example. I wouldn ot want to drain my 2nd house > at all as it is dhan sthan. > > - Raja > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else there > are some > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else it can > creat > > havoc. > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in protecting > you? Lord > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the placement > of Mars in > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he started > chanting > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any house > is maraka > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is jala > tattwa. > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what happened. > Either agni > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None will > do it > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of the > 6th lord > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. Also, > If any > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to make > one > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help. Ista > is > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there is > no > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which diety are > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be > fullfilled by > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari-mantra, > one lost > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a mantra for > a > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only. Pt. > Sanjay > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought out in > clarity. > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, unless you > get > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on mantra, > different > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular mantra and > post it > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra supposed to protect > from > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what i am thinking > it > > should? > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does that mean it'd > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > please shed some light. > > > > thanks, > > raja > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 words and 13 > letter > > mantra. > > > That means it will draw energy from your shatrubhava or > rogabhava > > and give > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri hari markatam > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is generalyy > used > > for > > > offering > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used in sraddha > > > karmas for > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, i.e `Namah' > > > mantras where > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras are for > > > surrender to the > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat forcing the > > > Devata to > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord knows what > is > > > best > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read and > > seen > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra requires " homa " > > > (i.e.. > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras i > have > > > seen > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is no > > > havan. I > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Raja, No idea. I do not visit neither devasthanams nor anti-devasthanams much (note this word `much' which clarifies that I am not against it) and prefer to shuttle between my home and office only :-) Regards Jk On Behalf Of Raja Friday, January 02, 2009 12:40 PM Re: swaha on further research of this, i would like t oadd a thing called DevSthan which is also important in addition to Source and Destination of the mantra. Potency of Mantra could be different depending on devsthan. Please add your thoughts hear Dasguptaji. , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > Dasgupta ji, > > Like a good students, I would like to summarize my notes :-) on what > we have been discussing about Mantra and Mantra Shastra. You can > build upon this later when you document. > > - According to Mantra shastra, Mantra should be initiated per > horoscope and strength of its attributes (i.e.. house, planet, lord > of house etc) > - Every mantra has a Source house from which it takes energy and > destination house where it applies the energy. > - Mantra is basically construction of words and also letters > obviously. > - Mantra words becomes the source and letters becomes destination. > - for e.g.. " OM HARI " is the vashnav mantra. Let's break it down per > mantra shastra. I picked small mantra for ease of understanding. > - Om HARI is tri-akshari and dwi-shabdi. (3 letters i.e.. om HA RI > and 2 words OM HARI) > - Source house for said mantra in horo would be - 2nd house > - Destination house for said mantra is - 3rd house. > - So from 2nd house energy would be drained and provided to > strengthen the 3rd house. > - Let's take me as an example. In my horo 2nd house is Kumbha and > have no planets. > - my 3rd house is meena with moon in it. > - by chanting this mantra- wealth stahn would be drained and moon > will be strengthen and attributes of 3rd house woul become strong. I > may become parakrami,tolerence, and my siblings would benefit also > fro mthis mantra.(3rd house). > > check and see if i summarized it correctly and add your thoughts. > > Now question is - by chanting this mantra, does source house weakens? > i.e 2nd house in this example. I wouldn ot want to drain my 2nd house > at all as it is dhan sthan. > > - Raja > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else there > are some > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else it can > creat > > havoc. > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in protecting > you? Lord > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the placement > of Mars in > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he started > chanting > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any house > is maraka > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is jala > tattwa. > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what happened. > Either agni > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None will > do it > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of the > 6th lord > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. Also, > If any > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to make > one > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help. Ista > is > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there is > no > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which diety are > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be > fullfilled by > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari-mantra, > one lost > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a mantra for > a > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only. Pt. > Sanjay > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought out in > clarity. > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, unless you > get > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on mantra, > different > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular mantra and > post it > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra supposed to protect > from > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what i am thinking > it > > should? > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does that mean it'd > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > please shed some light. > > > > thanks, > > raja > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 words and 13 > letter > > mantra. > > > That means it will draw energy from your shatrubhava or > rogabhava > > and give > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri hari markatam > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is generalyy > used > > for > > > offering > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used in sraddha > > > karmas for > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, i.e `Namah' > > > mantras where > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras are for > > > surrender to the > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat forcing the > > > Devata to > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord knows what > is > > > best > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read and > > seen > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra requires " homa " > > > (i.e.. > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras i > have > > > seen > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is no > > > havan. I > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 no no, devstan is a house of dev whose mantra is being chanted in the horoscope. i.e in our case example of om hari mantra source = #words = 2 and destination house = # letters = 3, mantra devta is vishnu or Shri HAri and he'd be in devsthan or house #4 (the house from the destination house i.e 2 to 3 .. difference between the source house and destination house plus the destination house) strengthening 3rd house. , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Dear Raja, > > No idea. > > I do not visit neither devasthanams nor anti-devasthanams much (note this > word `much' which clarifies that I am not against it) and prefer to shuttle > between my home and office only :-) > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > Friday, January 02, 2009 12:40 PM > > Re: swaha > > > on further research of this, i would like t oadd a thing called > DevSthan which is also important in addition to Source and > Destination of the mantra. Potency of Mantra could be different > depending on devsthan. > Please add your thoughts hear Dasguptaji. > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > Dasgupta ji, > > > > Like a good students, I would like to summarize my notes :-) on > what > > we have been discussing about Mantra and Mantra Shastra. You can > > build upon this later when you document. > > > > - According to Mantra shastra, Mantra should be initiated per > > horoscope and strength of its attributes (i.e.. house, planet, lord > > of house etc) > > - Every mantra has a Source house from which it takes energy and > > destination house where it applies the energy. > > - Mantra is basically construction of words and also letters > > obviously. > > - Mantra words becomes the source and letters becomes destination. > > - for e.g.. " OM HARI " is the vashnav mantra. Let's break it down > per > > mantra shastra. I picked small mantra for ease of understanding. > > - Om HARI is tri-akshari and dwi-shabdi. (3 letters i.e.. om HA RI > > and 2 words OM HARI) > > - Source house for said mantra in horo would be - 2nd house > > - Destination house for said mantra is - 3rd house. > > - So from 2nd house energy would be drained and provided to > > strengthen the 3rd house. > > - Let's take me as an example. In my horo 2nd house is Kumbha and > > have no planets. > > - my 3rd house is meena with moon in it. > > - by chanting this mantra- wealth stahn would be drained and moon > > will be strengthen and attributes of 3rd house woul become strong. > I > > may become parakrami,tolerence, and my siblings would benefit also > > fro mthis mantra.(3rd house). > > > > check and see if i summarized it correctly and add your thoughts. > > > > Now question is - by chanting this mantra, does source house > weakens? > > i.e 2nd house in this example. I wouldn ot want to drain my 2nd > house > > at all as it is dhan sthan. > > > > - Raja > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else there > > are some > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else it > can > > creat > > > havoc. > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in > protecting > > you? Lord > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the placement > > of Mars in > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he started > > chanting > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any > house > > is maraka > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is > jala > > tattwa. > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what happened. > > Either agni > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None > will > > do it > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of the > > 6th lord > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. > Also, > > If any > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to > make > > one > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help. > Ista > > is > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there > is > > no > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which diety > are > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be > > fullfilled by > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari- mantra, > > one lost > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a mantra > for > > a > > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only. > Pt. > > Sanjay > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought out > in > > clarity. > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, unless > you > > get > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on mantra, > > different > > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular mantra > and > > post it > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra supposed to protect > > from > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what i am > thinking > > it > > > should? > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does that mean it'd > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > thanks, > > > raja > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 words and 13 > > letter > > > mantra. > > > > That means it will draw energy from your shatrubhava or > > rogabhava > > > and give > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri hari markatam > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is generalyy > > used > > > for > > > > offering > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used in > sraddha > > > > karmas for > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, i.e > `Namah' > > > > mantras where > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras are for > > > > surrender to the > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat forcing > the > > > > Devata to > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord knows > what > > is > > > > best > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read > and > > > seen > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra requires " homa " > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras i > > have > > > > seen > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is no > > > > havan. I > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Yes, you are right. That is the way I also have been taught. That is where the mantra devata sits and gives result of that house. Regards Jk On Behalf Of Raja Friday, January 02, 2009 1:26 PM Re: swaha no no, devstan is a house of dev whose mantra is being chanted in the horoscope. i.e in our case example of om hari mantra source = #words = 2 and destination house = # letters = 3, mantra devta is vishnu or Shri HAri and he'd be in devsthan or house #4 (the house from the destination house i.e 2 to 3 .. difference between the source house and destination house plus the destination house) strengthening 3rd house. , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Dear Raja, > > No idea. > > I do not visit neither devasthanams nor anti-devasthanams much (note this > word `much' which clarifies that I am not against it) and prefer to shuttle > between my home and office only :-) > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > Friday, January 02, 2009 12:40 PM > > Re: swaha > > > on further research of this, i would like t oadd a thing called > DevSthan which is also important in addition to Source and > Destination of the mantra. Potency of Mantra could be different > depending on devsthan. > Please add your thoughts hear Dasguptaji. > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > Dasgupta ji, > > > > Like a good students, I would like to summarize my notes :-) on > what > > we have been discussing about Mantra and Mantra Shastra. You can > > build upon this later when you document. > > > > - According to Mantra shastra, Mantra should be initiated per > > horoscope and strength of its attributes (i.e.. house, planet, lord > > of house etc) > > - Every mantra has a Source house from which it takes energy and > > destination house where it applies the energy. > > - Mantra is basically construction of words and also letters > > obviously. > > - Mantra words becomes the source and letters becomes destination. > > - for e.g.. " OM HARI " is the vashnav mantra. Let's break it down > per > > mantra shastra. I picked small mantra for ease of understanding. > > - Om HARI is tri-akshari and dwi-shabdi. (3 letters i.e.. om HA RI > > and 2 words OM HARI) > > - Source house for said mantra in horo would be - 2nd house > > - Destination house for said mantra is - 3rd house. > > - So from 2nd house energy would be drained and provided to > > strengthen the 3rd house. > > - Let's take me as an example. In my horo 2nd house is Kumbha and > > have no planets. > > - my 3rd house is meena with moon in it. > > - by chanting this mantra- wealth stahn would be drained and moon > > will be strengthen and attributes of 3rd house woul become strong. > I > > may become parakrami,tolerence, and my siblings would benefit also > > fro mthis mantra.(3rd house). > > > > check and see if i summarized it correctly and add your thoughts. > > > > Now question is - by chanting this mantra, does source house > weakens? > > i.e 2nd house in this example. I wouldn ot want to drain my 2nd > house > > at all as it is dhan sthan. > > > > - Raja > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else there > > are some > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else it > can > > creat > > > havoc. > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in > protecting > > you? Lord > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the placement > > of Mars in > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he started > > chanting > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any > house > > is maraka > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is > jala > > tattwa. > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what happened. > > Either agni > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None > will > > do it > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of the > > 6th lord > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. > Also, > > If any > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to > make > > one > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help. > Ista > > is > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there > is > > no > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which diety > are > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be > > fullfilled by > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari- mantra, > > one lost > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a mantra > for > > a > > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only. > Pt. > > Sanjay > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought out > in > > clarity. > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, unless > you > > get > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on mantra, > > different > > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular mantra > and > > post it > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra supposed to protect > > from > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what i am > thinking > > it > > > should? > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does that mean it'd > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > thanks, > > > raja > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 words and 13 > > letter > > > mantra. > > > > That means it will draw energy from your shatrubhava or > > rogabhava > > > and give > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri hari markatam > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is generalyy > > used > > > for > > > > offering > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used in > sraddha > > > > karmas for > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, i.e > `Namah' > > > > mantras where > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras are for > > > > surrender to the > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat forcing > the > > > > Devata to > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord knows > what > > is > > > > best > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I have read > and > > > seen > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra requires " homa " > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some mantras i > > have > > > > seen > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where there is no > > > > havan. I > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Dear Raja, Here is a brief note on mantras - as promised earlier. This is a excerpt from my paper " Science of Mantra " presented by me in Jan'2005 conference of Sri Jagannath Center (SJC), Asia - at Puri. ========================= In general there are 3 types of mantras, 1. Those that invoke the lower (tamasic) power of the nature. These are generally used for lower end purposes like vashikaran (controlling others), stambhan (stopping the enemy to act) etc. 2. Those that excite and manifest might and power or for fulfilling materialistic desires (rajasic) 3. Those that lead to spiritual experiences (satvic) Generally vedic mantras for remedial measures fall under the last two categories. Again mantras fall under two broad classifications, 1. Those that need to be chanted only without any need to understand their meaning, just sound vibration is sufficient. Mantras for remedial measures falls under this category viz Mrityunjaya mantra, Gayatri mantra etc. Of course understanding the meaning simultaneously will enhance the effect. 2. Those mantras that are of the nature of invocation of the deities and the devotee must necessarily understand the meaning of them. Mostly beeja mantras of one letter (pindas) fall under this category. But when such mantras are received from a powerfull guru – knowing the meaning is not necessary. While suggesting mantras for remedy – the following various types of mantras should be kept in mind, Pujan: These mantras are used for worshiping various deities. `Namah’ is used for such mantras Bodhan: These mantras are used for invoking deities. `Vaushat’ is used for such mantras Shanti karan: These mantras are for warding off the malefic effects and influence of planets and go for cure of the diseases. `Swaha (Svaha)’ or `Hum Phat’ is used for such mantras. Such mantras are also used for Havans (Yagna, sacrifice to fire) Vashikaran : These mantras when used in a specified way are to bring under your control any Devta, Soul, Woman, man, officer, minister etc. and thus you can gain according to your desires. These mantras are also called Sammohan Mantras. `Swadha’ is used for such mantras. `Swadha’ is also used for shraddhas. Vidveshan, Uchhatan, Stambhan : These mantras are used for creating differences between the two or many (Vidveshan), for removing one from his place (Ucchatan) and stopping the enemy to act against (Stambhan) . `Vashat’ is used for such mantras. Maran / Chhedan : These are death / harm inflicting mantras through which any body can be killed or harmed. `Phat’ is used for such mantras Aakarshan: These mantras are used for attracting somebody `Hum’ is used for such mantras Mantras ending with `Vashat’ or `Phat’ are masculine in nature and aggressive. Mantras ending with `Swaha’ or `Vaushat’ are feminine in nature. They are docile and require the practitioner to be dedicated and make offerings to compel the diety to be compesionate and fullfill wish. Mantras ending with `Namah’ are neutral in nature and require the practitioner to submit to the will of the diety. Various Aspects of Mantra: All mantras have six aspects, 1. A seer or rishi Every mantra has got a rishi who had self realization for the first time through this mantra and gave the mantra to others. Such as sage Vishwamitra is the rishi of Gayatri mantra. 2. A raga Every mantra has a raga (chhanda) in which it should be uttered or chanted 3. A presiding deity (Devata) There is a particular devata or presiding diety of each mantra 4. A seed sound (bija) Seeds hold within them the fruit of a full-grown tree, similarly bija, or seed, It is told in the Vedas that the first primordial sound produced at the time of creation of the universe was the " OM " mantra. This most important seed mantra is mostly found to be preceding various mantras. Some examples are Shreem (Lakhmi beeja), Aim (Saraswati beeja) etc. In fact all the letters of Sanskrit are beejas for some diety or some gross effect. 5. Power (shakti) Mantras hold within them shakti (spiritual potency or energy), There are different seed mantras, each with their own shakti. 6. Pillar (kilaka or pin) This plugs the mantra chaitanya that is hidden in the mantra. It is said that Shiva has plugged all mantras so that these are not misused. As soon as this plug is removed by Guru or by constant repetition, the mantra chaitanya, that is hidden - is revealed. Suitability of Mantras and selection: Lastly we shall briefly discuss on suitability/selection of mantras for various natives. In general, 1. Vishnu or Krishna mantras suit natives of Aries, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius 2. Shakti or devi mantras suit natives of Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pieces 3. Shiva mantras are suitable for natives Taurus, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn In brief, following steps should be followed in selection of mantras. 1. Select which house or planet is to be strengthened. If any house is to be strengthened for purposes connected to material world, it is always better to suggest Palana Devata’s mantra. For the purpose of spirituality – Ista Devata mantra should be suggested. Select carefully from which house energy can be drawn. This house should have good strength in terms of ownership or benefic aspects or AV points. In my humble opinion - tatwa of this house should be friendly with the tatwa of the house to be strengthened. 2. Let us say the house from where energy to be drawn is `A’ and the house to be activated is `B’ and. Count `A’ and `B’ from lagna in D1. Say it is X & Y respectively. The mantra should have X no of words and Y no of letters. 3. Count houses from `A’ to `B’. Count as many houses from `B’ and say we arrive at house `C’. The mantra devata / devi will sit in that house and the result of the mantra will manifest in that house. 4. Now once the mantra is selected, check its suitability by KULAKUL Chakra. Tatwa of the first letter of the mantra and first letter of the native’s name is matched. Both the tatwas should not be inimical to each other. If this cannot be matched – first letter of the mantra should be of akash tatwa. 5. Next check Rashi chakra. Rashi of the first letter of the mantra and first letter of the native’s name is matched. Rashi numbers are taken in normal way such as, 1. Aries, 2. Taurus, 3. Gemini .. and so on upto 12. Pieces. The suitability is checked in following way, Count the Rashi no of the first letter of the native from that of mantra a. If it is 1, 5 or 9 the the mantra is friendly b. If it is 2, 6 or 10 the the mantra is gainfull c. If it is 3, 7 or 11 the the mantra will result in growth d. If it is 4, 8 or 12 the the mantra is not suitable 6. Next check Gana suitability with Nakshatra chakra. Each letter has been assigned a Nakshatra (star) and a corresponding gana. This has been listed at the end of this article. Gana of the first letter of the mantra and first letter of the native’s name is matched. If the gana of the native’s first letter of name is nara then, a. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to nara gana is best b. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to deva gana is good c. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to rakshas gana is worst If the gana of the native’s first letter of name is deva then, d. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to nara gana is best e. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to deva gana is good f. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to rakshas gana is worst If the gana of the native’s first letter of name is rakshas then, g. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to rakshas gana is best h. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to nara gana is worst i. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to deva gana is worst Some texts say that over and above this, distance of mantra nakshatra and the name nakshatra also should be checked if the relation is janma, sampat, bipat, khsema etc. 7. Then Aa-Ka-Tha-Ha chakra is checked to see if the mantra will give any negetive or disastrous result. This has been discussed in detail in `Vedic Remedies’ by Pt. Sanjay Rath. 8. Lastly Rni-Dhani chakra should be checked as detailed in Rudrayamal Tantra - to see if the fructification of result of the mantra will be quick or delayed. This has also been discussed in detail in `Vedic Remedies’ by Pt. Sanjay Rath. If the net letter of the mantra is `0’ then that mantra should never be suggested – as it may harm the native, even if suitability by other charkas are positive. When Om is at the beginning of any mantra – the letter Om should not be considered as the first letter of the mantra. The next letter to Om will be taken as the first letter of the mantra. But Om will be counted while considering number of letters or words. As per `Vedic Remedies’ by Pt. Sanjay Rath, if Om is added at the beginning and at the end (both combined), all dosha of the mantra is removed. So any unsuitable mantra also can be made suitable by this process. Of course the number of the words and letters in the mantra will thus get changed and care should be taken for that. Some mantras have been exempted from any such selections and they can be practiced by any person. Such as, 1. Any mantra related to Sri Krishna 2. Om Namah Shivaya or Namah Shivaya 3. Gayatri mantras of Rig Veda 4. Gopala mantra 5. Om 6. Om Tat Sat 7. Other prashiddha mantras like `Hare Rama Krishna' etc. Some texts further add that any mantra received from a female guru is exempted from such selections. Also any mantra received in dream should never be chanted – unless diksha guru subsequently authorizes it. Mantra Samskara: It is told that each mantras have some short of dosha in it. Later Shiva locked all the mantras so that no body can misuse the same. So for quick results it is necessary to remove such doshas and also to remove the lock (Utkeelan). There are various methods for this – but those are to be applied by a person, who is well aware of the procedures. However, by constant repetitions and dedication – all such doshas are removed and the mantra starts working. In addition, the following two methods can be used for giving life and increasing efficacy of a mantra. 1. Prana yoga (giving life): If `Hrim’ is added at the start and end of any mantra and recited seven times, the mantra gets life 2. Deepan (increasing efficasy): If `aum’ is added at the start and end of any mantra and recicited seven times, the mantra gets lighted ============================= Regards Jk jk.dasgupta [jk.dasgupta] Friday, January 02, 2009 1:54 PM RE: swaha Yes, you are right. That is the way I also have been taught. That is where the mantra devata sits and gives result of that house. Regards Jk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Dear Dasgupta Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one. Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which can be recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those Deities whose Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as you said, they might not be intersted in helping us. Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to please to get some definite results? With regards Sushma , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Dear Raja, > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else there are some > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else it can creat > havoc. > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in protecting you? Lord > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the placement of Mars in > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he started chanting > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any house is maraka > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is jala tattwa. > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what happened. Either agni > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None will do it > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of the 6th lord > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. Also, If any > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to make one > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help. Ista is > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there is no > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which diety are > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be fullfilled by > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari-mantra, one lost > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a mantra for a > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only. Pt. Sanjay > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought out in clarity. > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, unless you get > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on mantra, different > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular mantra and post it > in the list - whenever i find some time > > Regards > > Jk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who will be ready to oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the cabinet of Gods & Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other departments, as per your requirement. Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the whole body. I have already listed in general, which mantras can be recited without any hitch. Regards Jk On Behalf Of bhagvatjee Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM Re: swaha Dear Dasgupta Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one. Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which can be recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those Deities whose Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as you said, they might not be intersted in helping us. Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to please to get some definite results? With regards Sushma , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Dear Raja, > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else there are some > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else it can creat > havoc. > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in protecting you? Lord > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the placement of Mars in > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he started chanting > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any house is maraka > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is jala tattwa. > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what happened. Either agni > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None will do it > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of the 6th lord > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. Also, If any > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to make one > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help. Ista is > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there is no > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which diety are > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be fullfilled by > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari-mantra, one lost > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a mantra for a > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only. Pt. Sanjay > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought out in clarity. > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, unless you get > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on mantra, different > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular mantra and post it > in the list - whenever i find some time > > Regards > > Jk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR KRISHANA - OR SURYA OR GANESHA ?? WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR IN SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS LIKE THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS - IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES NOT NEED ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM THAT RUPA. I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE LORD KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE MOOL MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH KRISHN VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING. MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF ENJOYMENT HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS. GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS MORE THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME - FORMS - I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT SHIV ALSO BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR KARTIKEY OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER BUDHA ALL ARE BHAGWAN . IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS ONE - " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE " PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD. RGDS nIKET , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who will be ready to > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the cabinet of Gods & > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other departments, as per your > requirement. > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the whole body. > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be recited without any > hitch. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of bhagvatjee > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM > > Re: swaha > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one. > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which can be > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those Deities whose > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as you said, > they might not be intersted in helping us. > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to please to get > some definite results? > With regards > Sushma > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else there > are some > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else it can > creat > > havoc. > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in protecting > you? Lord > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the placement > of Mars in > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he started > chanting > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any house > is maraka > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is jala > tattwa. > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what happened. > Either agni > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None will > do it > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of the > 6th lord > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. Also, > If any > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to make > one > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help. Ista > is > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there is > no > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which diety are > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be > fullfilled by > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari-mantra, > one lost > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a mantra for > a > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only. Pt. > Sanjay > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought out in > clarity. > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, unless you > get > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on mantra, > different > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular mantra and > post it > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > Regards > > > > Jk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 well, Vishnu is the source of jagatnirmata, shrishti rachyeta brahma emerged from Vishnu Nabhi. Vishnu himself merges with Shiva 'the svayambhu' who was a stambha of fire from whom vishnu emerged. all the other deities are the amsha deities of the main trinity. Don't know about Allah or jesus or joseph or Jehovah, my rule of thumb when it comes to religion is any religion other than mine is Myth and i am sure " they " think same. That is just my belief and you are welcomed to disagree to it. Raja , " astroiniket " <nakshtraniket wrote: > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR KRISHANA - > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ?? > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR IN > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS LIKE > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS - > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES NOT NEED > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM THAT RUPA. > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE LORD > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE MOOL > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH KRISHN > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING. > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF ENJOYMENT > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS. > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS MORE > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME - FORMS - > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT SHIV ALSO > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR KARTIKEY > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER BUDHA > ALL ARE BHAGWAN . > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS ONE - > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE " > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD. > > RGDS > nIKET > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who will be > ready to > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the cabinet of > Gods & > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other departments, as > per your > > requirement. > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the whole > body. > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be recited > without any > > hitch. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of bhagvatjee > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one. > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which can be > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those Deities > whose > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as you > said, > > they might not be intersted in helping us. > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to please to > get > > some definite results? > > With regards > > Sushma > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else there > > are some > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else it > can > > creat > > > havoc. > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in > protecting > > you? Lord > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the > placement > > of Mars in > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he started > > chanting > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any > house > > is maraka > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is > jala > > tattwa. > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what happened. > > Either agni > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None > will > > do it > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of > the > > 6th lord > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. > Also, > > If any > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to > make > > one > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help. > Ista > > is > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there > is > > no > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which > diety are > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be > > fullfilled by > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari- mantra, > > one lost > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a mantra > for > > a > > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only. > Pt. > > Sanjay > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought > out in > > clarity. > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, unless > you > > get > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on mantra, > > different > > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular mantra > and > > post it > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 A very good article. My sincere thanks to you on behalf of entire group. Raja , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Dear Raja, > > Here is a brief note on mantras - as promised earlier. This is a excerpt > from my paper " Science of Mantra " presented by me in Jan'2005 conference of > Sri Jagannath Center (SJC), Asia - at Puri. > ========================= > In general there are 3 types of mantras, > > 1. Those that invoke the lower (tamasic) power of the nature. These are > generally used for lower end purposes like vashikaran (controlling others), > stambhan (stopping the enemy to act) etc. > 2. Those that excite and manifest might and power or for fulfilling > materialistic desires (rajasic) > 3. Those that lead to spiritual experiences (satvic) > > Generally vedic mantras for remedial measures fall under the last two > categories. > > Again mantras fall under two broad classifications, > > 1. Those that need to be chanted only without any need to understand their > meaning, just sound vibration is sufficient. Mantras for remedial measures > falls under this category viz Mrityunjaya mantra, Gayatri mantra etc. Of > course understanding the meaning simultaneously will enhance the effect. > 2. Those mantras that are of the nature of invocation of the deities and the > devotee must necessarily understand the meaning of them. Mostly beeja > mantras of one letter (pindas) fall under this category. But when such > mantras are received from a powerfull guru – knowing the meaning is not > necessary. > > While suggesting mantras for remedy – the following various types of mantras > should be kept in mind, > > Pujan: These mantras are used for worshiping various deities. `Namah' is > used for such mantras > Bodhan: These mantras are used for invoking deities. `Vaushat' is used for > such mantras > Shanti karan: These mantras are for warding off the malefic effects and > influence of planets and go for cure of the > diseases. `Swaha (Svaha)' or `Hum Phat' is used for such mantras. Such > mantras are also used for Havans (Yagna, sacrifice to fire) > Vashikaran : These mantras when used in a specified way are to bring under > your control any Devta, Soul, Woman, man, officer, minister etc. and thus > you can gain according to your desires. These mantras are also called > Sammohan Mantras. `Swadha' is used for such mantras. `Swadha' is also used > for shraddhas. > Vidveshan, Uchhatan, Stambhan : These mantras are used for creating > differences between the two or many (Vidveshan), for removing one from his > place (Ucchatan) and stopping the enemy to act against (Stambhan) . `Vashat' > is used for such mantras. > Maran / Chhedan : These are death / harm inflicting mantras through which > any body can be killed or harmed. `Phat' is used for such mantras > Aakarshan: These mantras are used for attracting somebody `Hum' is used for > such mantras > > Mantras ending with `Vashat' or `Phat' are masculine in nature and > aggressive. Mantras ending with `Swaha' or `Vaushat' are feminine in nature. > They are docile and require the practitioner to be dedicated and make > offerings to compel the diety to be compesionate and fullfill wish. Mantras > ending with `Namah' are neutral in nature and require the practitioner to > submit to the will of the diety. > > Various Aspects of Mantra: > > All mantras have six aspects, > > 1. A seer or rishi > Every mantra has got a rishi who had self realization for the first time > through this mantra and gave the mantra to others. Such as sage Vishwamitra > is the rishi of Gayatri mantra. > 2. A raga > Every mantra has a raga (chhanda) in which it should be uttered or chanted > 3. A presiding deity (Devata) > There is a particular devata or presiding diety of each mantra > 4. A seed sound (bija) > Seeds hold within them the fruit of a full-grown tree, similarly bija, or > seed, It is told in the Vedas that the first primordial sound produced at > the time of creation of the universe was the " OM " mantra. This most > important seed mantra is mostly found to be preceding various mantras. Some > examples are Shreem (Lakhmi beeja), Aim (Saraswati beeja) etc. > In fact all the letters of Sanskrit are beejas for some diety or some gross > effect. > 5. Power (shakti) > Mantras hold within them shakti (spiritual potency or energy), There are > different seed mantras, each with their own shakti. > 6. Pillar (kilaka or pin) > This plugs the mantra chaitanya that is hidden in the mantra. It is said > that Shiva has plugged all mantras so that these are not misused. As soon as > this plug is removed by Guru or by constant repetition, the mantra > chaitanya, that is hidden - is revealed. > > Suitability of Mantras and selection: > > Lastly we shall briefly discuss on suitability/selection of mantras for > various natives. > > In general, > 1. Vishnu or Krishna mantras suit natives of Aries, Leo, Scorpio and > Aquarius > 2. Shakti or devi mantras suit natives of Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and > Pieces > 3. Shiva mantras are suitable for natives Taurus, Cancer, Libra and > Capricorn > > In brief, following steps should be followed in selection of mantras. > > 1. Select which house or planet is to be strengthened. If any house is to be > strengthened for purposes connected to material world, it is always better > to suggest Palana Devata's mantra. For the purpose of spirituality – Ista > Devata mantra should be suggested. Select carefully from which house energy > can be drawn. This house should have good strength in terms of ownership or > benefic aspects or AV points. In my humble opinion - tatwa of this house > should be friendly with the tatwa of the house to be strengthened. > 2. Let us say the house from where energy to be drawn is `A' and the house > to be activated is `B' and. Count `A' and `B' from lagna in D1. Say it is X > & Y respectively. The mantra should have X no of words and Y no of letters. > 3. Count houses from `A' to `B'. Count as many houses from `B' and say we > arrive at house `C'. The mantra devata / devi will sit in that house and the > result of the mantra will manifest in that house. > 4. Now once the mantra is selected, check its suitability by KULAKUL Chakra. > Tatwa of the first letter of the mantra and first letter of the native's > name is matched. Both the tatwas should not be inimical to each other. If > this cannot be matched – first letter of the mantra should be of akash > tatwa. > 5. Next check Rashi chakra. Rashi of the first letter of the mantra and > first letter of the native's name is matched. Rashi numbers are taken in > normal way such as, 1. Aries, 2. Taurus, 3. Gemini .. and so on upto 12. > Pieces. The suitability is checked in following way, > > Count the Rashi no of the first letter of the native from that of mantra > a. If it is 1, 5 or 9 the the mantra is friendly > b. If it is 2, 6 or 10 the the mantra is gainfull > c. If it is 3, 7 or 11 the the mantra will result in growth > d. If it is 4, 8 or 12 the the mantra is not suitable > > 6. Next check Gana suitability with Nakshatra chakra. Each letter has been > assigned a Nakshatra (star) and a corresponding gana. This has been listed > at the end of this article. Gana of the first letter of the mantra and first > letter of the native's name is matched. > > If the gana of the native's first letter of name is nara then, > a. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to nara gana is best > b. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to deva gana is good > c. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to rakshas gana is worst > > If the gana of the native's first letter of name is deva then, > d. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to nara gana is best > e. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to deva gana is good > f. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to rakshas gana is worst > > If the gana of the native's first letter of name is rakshas then, > g. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to rakshas gana is best > h. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to nara gana is worst > i. Mantra with a first letter which belongs to deva gana is worst > > Some texts say that over and above this, distance of mantra nakshatra and > the name nakshatra also should be checked if the relation is janma, sampat, > bipat, khsema etc. > > 7. Then Aa-Ka-Tha-Ha chakra is checked to see if the mantra will give any > negetive or disastrous result. This has been discussed in detail in `Vedic > Remedies' by Pt. Sanjay Rath. > 8. Lastly Rni-Dhani chakra should be checked as detailed in Rudrayamal > Tantra - to see if the fructification of result of the mantra will be quick > or delayed. This has also been discussed in detail in `Vedic Remedies' by > Pt. Sanjay Rath. If the net letter of the mantra is `0' then that mantra > should never be suggested – as it may harm the native, even if suitability > by other charkas are positive. > > When Om is at the beginning of any mantra – the letter Om should not be > considered as the first letter of the mantra. The next letter to Om will be > taken as the first letter of the mantra. But Om will be counted while > considering number of letters or words. > > As per `Vedic Remedies' by Pt. Sanjay Rath, if Om is added at the beginning > and at the end (both combined), all dosha of the mantra is removed. So any > unsuitable mantra also can be made suitable by this process. Of course the > number of the words and letters in the mantra will thus get changed and care > should be taken for that. > > Some mantras have been exempted from any such selections and they can be > practiced by any person. Such as, > 1. Any mantra related to Sri Krishna > 2. Om Namah Shivaya or Namah Shivaya > 3. Gayatri mantras of Rig Veda > 4. Gopala mantra > 5. Om > 6. Om Tat Sat > 7. Other prashiddha mantras like `Hare Rama Krishna' etc. > > Some texts further add that any mantra received from a female guru is > exempted from such selections. Also any mantra received in dream should > never be chanted – unless diksha guru subsequently authorizes it. > > Mantra Samskara: > > It is told that each mantras have some short of dosha in it. Later Shiva > locked all the mantras so that no body can misuse the same. So for quick > results it is necessary to remove such doshas and also to remove the lock > (Utkeelan). > > There are various methods for this – but those are to be applied by a > person, who is well aware of the procedures. > > However, by constant repetitions and dedication – all such doshas are > removed and the mantra starts working. In addition, the following two > methods can be used for giving life and increasing efficacy of a mantra. > 1. Prana yoga (giving life): If `Hrim' is added at the start and end of any > mantra and recited seven times, the mantra gets life > 2. Deepan (increasing efficasy): If `aum' is added at the start and end of > any mantra and recicited seven times, the mantra gets lighted > ============================= > > Regards > > Jk > > > jk.dasgupta [jk.dasgupta] > Friday, January 02, 2009 1:54 PM > > RE: swaha > > > Yes, you are right. That is the way I also have been taught. That is where > the mantra devata sits and gives result of that house. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 No Raja - i am not disagree with you nor with brother JK - i am not disagree with any one actualy. all we have our own belief - and own god or godess. NO discussion on Bhagwan - i am not able to comment on almighty - who is ? how is? i strongly belief in " The one " " The only one " who is creator of COSMOS not only of this Universe. One who does not need any thing - one who is beyond everything - one who is not genderbound - one who comes in form as we do imagination. leave it brother almighty is not the subject - almighty is aove subject. happy new year rgds niket , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > well, Vishnu is the source of jagatnirmata, shrishti rachyeta brahma > emerged from Vishnu Nabhi. Vishnu himself merges with Shiva 'the > svayambhu' who was a stambha of fire from whom vishnu emerged. > > all the other deities are the amsha deities of the main trinity. > > Don't know about Allah or jesus or joseph or Jehovah, my rule of > thumb when it comes to religion is any religion other than mine is > Myth and i am sure " they " think same. That is just my belief and you > are welcomed to disagree to it. > > Raja > > , " astroiniket " > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR > KRISHANA - > > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ?? > > > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR IN > > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS LIKE > > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS - > > > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES NOT NEED > > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM THAT > RUPA. > > > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE LORD > > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE MOOL > > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH KRISHN > > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING. > > > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF > ENJOYMENT > > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS. > > > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS MORE > > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME - > FORMS - > > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT SHIV > ALSO > > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR > KARTIKEY > > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER BUDHA > > ALL ARE BHAGWAN . > > > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS ONE - > > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE " > > > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD. > > > > RGDS > > nIKET > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who will be > > ready to > > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the cabinet of > > Gods & > > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other departments, as > > per your > > > requirement. > > > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the whole > > body. > > > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be recited > > without any > > > hitch. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of bhagvatjee > > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one. > > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which can be > > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those Deities > > whose > > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as you > > said, > > > they might not be intersted in helping us. > > > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to please to > > get > > > some definite results? > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else > there > > > are some > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else > it > > can > > > creat > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in > > protecting > > > you? Lord > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the > > placement > > > of Mars in > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he > started > > > chanting > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any > > house > > > is maraka > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which > is > > jala > > > tattwa. > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what > happened. > > > Either agni > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None > > will > > > do it > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of > > the > > > 6th lord > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. > > Also, > > > If any > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to > > make > > > one > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will > help. > > Ista > > > is > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if > there > > is > > > no > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which > > diety are > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be > > > fullfilled by > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari- > mantra, > > > one lost > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a > mantra > > for > > > a > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas > only. > > Pt. > > > Sanjay > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought > > out in > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, > unless > > you > > > get > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on > mantra, > > > different > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular > mantra > > and > > > post it > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear Niketji, Indeed it is perhaps not a black or white reality that we all live in! Scientists have known and accepted that for hundreds of years because why else would scientific theories and dogmas be tossed so readily if you truly follow the history and practice of science and scientists over the years! Each scientist has vehemently and passionately maintained that S/he alone is right in figuring out the secrets of the Creation but very quickly tossed aside when the evidence to the contrary was overwhelming and " obvious " . Without mincing words -- Occultism has been more forgiving! Historically!! And way more subjective, as DISCIPLINES go... AND it is not at all surprising because scientists must rely on physical senses, supported by observations of a physical nature! Their job is EASY! Occultists on the other hand must rely on observations of a mental nature! The instrument is MIND and not every instrument is properly stabilized or duly calibrated. There are no ISO standards for the MIND! WORSE: There are SEVERAL and mutually conflicting and incongruent... , " astroiniket " <nakshtraniket wrote: > > No Raja - i am not disagree with you nor with brother JK - i am not > disagree with any one actualy. > > all we have our own belief - and own god or godess. NO discussion on > Bhagwan - i am not able to comment on almighty - who is ? how is? > > i strongly belief in " The one " " The only one " who is creator of > COSMOS not only of this Universe. One who does not need any thing - > one who is beyond everything - one who is not genderbound - one who > comes in form as we do imagination. > > leave it brother almighty is not the subject - almighty is aove > subject. > > > happy new year > > > rgds > niket > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > well, Vishnu is the source of jagatnirmata, shrishti rachyeta > brahma > > emerged from Vishnu Nabhi. Vishnu himself merges with Shiva 'the > > svayambhu' who was a stambha of fire from whom vishnu emerged. > > > > all the other deities are the amsha deities of the main trinity. > > > > Don't know about Allah or jesus or joseph or Jehovah, my rule of > > thumb when it comes to religion is any religion other than mine is > > Myth and i am sure " they " think same. That is just my belief and > you > > are welcomed to disagree to it. > > > > Raja > > > > , " astroiniket " > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR > > KRISHANA - > > > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ?? > > > > > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR IN > > > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS > LIKE > > > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS - > > > > > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES NOT > NEED > > > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM THAT > > RUPA. > > > > > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE LORD > > > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE MOOL > > > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH > KRISHN > > > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING. > > > > > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF > > ENJOYMENT > > > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS. > > > > > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS MORE > > > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME - > > FORMS - > > > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT SHIV > > ALSO > > > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR > > KARTIKEY > > > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER > BUDHA > > > ALL ARE BHAGWAN . > > > > > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS ONE - > > > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE " > > > > > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD. > > > > > > RGDS > > > nIKET > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who will > be > > > ready to > > > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the cabinet > of > > > Gods & > > > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other departments, > as > > > per your > > > > requirement. > > > > > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the > whole > > > body. > > > > > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be recited > > > without any > > > > hitch. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of bhagvatjee > > > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one. > > > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which can > be > > > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those Deities > > > whose > > > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as > you > > > said, > > > > they might not be intersted in helping us. > > > > > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to please > to > > > get > > > > some definite results? > > > > With regards > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else > > there > > > > are some > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. > Else > > it > > > can > > > > creat > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in > > > protecting > > > > you? Lord > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the > > > placement > > > > of Mars in > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he > > started > > > > chanting > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because > any > > > house > > > > is maraka > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which > > is > > > jala > > > > tattwa. > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what > > happened. > > > > Either agni > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. > None > > > will > > > > do it > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet > of > > > the > > > > 6th lord > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in > Navamsa. > > > Also, > > > > If any > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power > to > > > make > > > > one > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will > > help. > > > Ista > > > > is > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if > > there > > > is > > > > no > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which > > > diety are > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari- > > mantra, > > > > one lost > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a > > mantra > > > for > > > > a > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas > > only. > > > Pt. > > > > Sanjay > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has > brought > > > out in > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, > > unless > > > you > > > > get > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on > > mantra, > > > > different > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular > > mantra > > > and > > > > post it > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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