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yes RRji- offer you saffron+honey if you like :-))

 

regards

niket

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Dear Niketji,

>

> Indeed it is perhaps not a black or white reality that we all live

> in! Scientists have known and accepted that for hundreds of years

> because why else would scientific theories and dogmas be tossed so

> readily if you truly follow the history and practice of science and

> scientists over the years!

>

> Each scientist has vehemently and passionately maintained that S/he

> alone is right in figuring out the secrets of the Creation but very

> quickly tossed aside when the evidence to the contrary was

> overwhelming and " obvious " .

>

> Without mincing words -- Occultism has been more forgiving!

> Historically!!

>

> And way more subjective, as DISCIPLINES go...

>

> AND it is not at all surprising because scientists must rely on

> physical senses, supported by observations of a physical nature!

> Their job is EASY!

>

> Occultists on the other hand must rely on observations of a mental

> nature! The instrument is MIND and not every instrument is properly

> stabilized or duly calibrated. There are no ISO standards for the

> MIND! WORSE: There are SEVERAL and mutually conflicting and

> incongruent...

>

>

>

> , " astroiniket "

> <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> >

> > No Raja - i am not disagree with you nor with brother JK - i am

not

> > disagree with any one actualy.

> >

> > all we have our own belief - and own god or godess. NO discussion

> on

> > Bhagwan - i am not able to comment on almighty - who is ? how is?

> >

> > i strongly belief in " The one " " The only one " who is creator of

> > COSMOS not only of this Universe. One who does not need any

thing -

> > one who is beyond everything - one who is not genderbound - one

who

> > comes in form as we do imagination.

> >

> > leave it brother almighty is not the subject - almighty is aove

> > subject.

> >

> >

> > happy new year

> >

> >

> > rgds

> > niket

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Raja " <desi.raja@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > well, Vishnu is the source of jagatnirmata, shrishti rachyeta

> > brahma

> > > emerged from Vishnu Nabhi. Vishnu himself merges with

Shiva 'the

> > > svayambhu' who was a stambha of fire from whom vishnu emerged.

> > >

> > > all the other deities are the amsha deities of the main

trinity.

> > >

> > > Don't know about Allah or jesus or joseph or Jehovah, my rule

of

> > > thumb when it comes to religion is any religion other than mine

> is

> > > Myth and i am sure " they " think same. That is just my belief

and

> > you

> > > are welcomed to disagree to it.

> > >

> > > Raja

> > >

> > > , " astroiniket "

> > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR

> > > KRISHANA -

> > > > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ??

> > > >

> > > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR

> IN

> > > > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS

> > LIKE

> > > > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS -

> > > >

> > > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES

NOT

> > NEED

> > > > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM

THAT

> > > RUPA.

> > > >

> > > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE

> LORD

> > > > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE

> MOOL

> > > > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH

> > KRISHN

> > > > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING.

> > > >

> > > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF

> > > ENJOYMENT

> > > > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS.

> > > >

> > > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS

> MORE

> > > > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME -

 

> > > FORMS -

> > > > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT

SHIV

> > > ALSO

> > > > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR

> > > KARTIKEY

> > > > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER

> > BUDHA

> > > > ALL ARE BHAGWAN .

> > > >

> > > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS

> ONE -

> > > > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE "

> > > >

> > > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD.

> > > >

> > > > RGDS

> > > > nIKET

> > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who

> will

> > be

> > > > ready to

> > > > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the

> cabinet

> > of

> > > > Gods &

> > > > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other

departments,

> > as

> > > > per your

> > > > > requirement.

> > > > >

> > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the

> > whole

> > > > body.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be

> recited

> > > > without any

> > > > > hitch.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Jk

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Behalf Of

> bhagvatjee

> > > > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji

> > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam

> > > > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one.

> > > > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which

> can

> > be

> > > > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those

> Deities

> > > > whose

> > > > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because,

as

> > you

> > > > said,

> > > > > they might not be intersted in helping us.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to

> please

> > to

> > > > get

> > > > > some definite results?

> > > > > With regards

> > > > > Sushma

> > > > >

> > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed.

> Else

> > > there

> > > > > are some

> > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native.

> > Else

> > > it

> > > > can

> > > > > creat

> > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in

> > > > protecting

> > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the

> > > > placement

> > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and

he

> > > started

> > > > > chanting

> > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why?

because

> > any

> > > > house

> > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house

> which

> > > is

> > > > jala

> > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what

> > > happened.

> > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from

shatrus.

> > None

> > > > will

> > > > > do it

> > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th

> planet

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in

> > Navamsa.

> > > > Also,

> > > > > If any

> > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got

> power

> > to

> > > > make

> > > > > one

> > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna

> lord.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who

will

> > > help.

> > > > Ista

> > > > > is

> > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord

(if

> > > there

> > > > is

> > > > > no

> > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes

> which

> > > > diety are

> > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish

will

> be

> > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting

ari-

> > > mantra,

> > > > > one lost

> > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting

a

> > > mantra

> > > > for

> > > > > a

> > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in

paramparas

> > > only.

> > > > Pt.

> > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has

> > brought

> > > > out in

> > > > > clarity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha

mantras,

> > > unless

> > > > you

> > > > > get

> > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on

> > > mantra,

> > > > > different

> > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any

perticular

> > > mantra

> > > > and

> > > > > post it

> > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jk

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Niketji,

 

Thanks for your kind gift but ONE of what you offer might make me

sick, while the other might try to change my religion!

 

What was wrong with just Dhanyavaad or Namaskaar or even Shukriya ;-

)? Simple, commonplace, neutral and yet so POIGNANT, bu not divisive!

 

As I said elsewhere -- The world is not ready for Messihas and

Miracles and nor are the Messihas READY!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " astroiniket "

<nakshtraniket wrote:

>

> yes RRji- offer you saffron+honey if you like :-))

>

> regards

> niket

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Niketji,

> >

> > Indeed it is perhaps not a black or white reality that we all

live

> > in! Scientists have known and accepted that for hundreds of years

> > because why else would scientific theories and dogmas be tossed

so

> > readily if you truly follow the history and practice of science

and

> > scientists over the years!

> >

> > Each scientist has vehemently and passionately maintained that

S/he

> > alone is right in figuring out the secrets of the Creation but

very

> > quickly tossed aside when the evidence to the contrary was

> > overwhelming and " obvious " .

> >

> > Without mincing words -- Occultism has been more forgiving!

> > Historically!!

> >

> > And way more subjective, as DISCIPLINES go...

> >

> > AND it is not at all surprising because scientists must rely on

> > physical senses, supported by observations of a physical nature!

> > Their job is EASY!

> >

> > Occultists on the other hand must rely on observations of a

mental

> > nature! The instrument is MIND and not every instrument is

properly

> > stabilized or duly calibrated. There are no ISO standards for the

> > MIND! WORSE: There are SEVERAL and mutually conflicting and

> > incongruent...

> >

> >

> >

> > , " astroiniket "

> > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > >

> > > No Raja - i am not disagree with you nor with brother JK - i am

> not

> > > disagree with any one actualy.

> > >

> > > all we have our own belief - and own god or godess. NO

discussion

> > on

> > > Bhagwan - i am not able to comment on almighty - who is ? how

is?

> > >

> > > i strongly belief in " The one " " The only one " who is creator of

> > > COSMOS not only of this Universe. One who does not need any

> thing -

> > > one who is beyond everything - one who is not genderbound - one

> who

> > > comes in form as we do imagination.

> > >

> > > leave it brother almighty is not the subject - almighty is aove

> > > subject.

> > >

> > >

> > > happy new year

> > >

> > >

> > > rgds

> > > niket

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > well, Vishnu is the source of jagatnirmata, shrishti rachyeta

> > > brahma

> > > > emerged from Vishnu Nabhi. Vishnu himself merges with

> Shiva 'the

> > > > svayambhu' who was a stambha of fire from whom vishnu

emerged.

> > > >

> > > > all the other deities are the amsha deities of the main

> trinity.

> > > >

> > > > Don't know about Allah or jesus or joseph or Jehovah, my rule

> of

> > > > thumb when it comes to religion is any religion other than

mine

> > is

> > > > Myth and i am sure " they " think same. That is just my belief

> and

> > > you

> > > > are welcomed to disagree to it.

> > > >

> > > > Raja

> > > >

> > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR

> > > > KRISHANA -

> > > > > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ??

> > > > >

> > > > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA

OR

> > IN

> > > > > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN

JESSUS

> > > LIKE

> > > > > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS -

> > > > >

> > > > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES

> NOT

> > > NEED

> > > > > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM

> THAT

> > > > RUPA.

> > > > >

> > > > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE

> > LORD

> > > > > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE

THE

> > MOOL

> > > > > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH

> > > KRISHN

> > > > > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING.

> > > > >

> > > > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF

> > > > ENJOYMENT

> > > > > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS.

> > > > >

> > > > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD

IS

> > MORE

> > > > > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT

NAME -

>

> > > > FORMS -

> > > > > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT

> SHIV

> > > > ALSO

> > > > > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR

> > > > KARTIKEY

> > > > > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS

MAHAVEER

> > > BUDHA

> > > > > ALL ARE BHAGWAN .

> > > > >

> > > > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS

> > ONE -

> > > > > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE "

> > > > >

> > > > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD.

> > > > >

> > > > > RGDS

> > > > > nIKET

> > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who

> > will

> > > be

> > > > > ready to

> > > > > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the

> > cabinet

> > > of

> > > > > Gods &

> > > > > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other

> departments,

> > > as

> > > > > per your

> > > > > > requirement.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is

the

> > > whole

> > > > > body.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be

> > recited

> > > > > without any

> > > > > > hitch.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jk

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Behalf Of

> > bhagvatjee

> > > > > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji

> > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam

> > > > > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one.

> > > > > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras

which

> > can

> > > be

> > > > > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those

> > Deities

> > > > > whose

> > > > > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting

because,

> as

> > > you

> > > > > said,

> > > > > > they might not be intersted in helping us.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to

> > please

> > > to

> > > > > get

> > > > > > some definite results?

> > > > > > With regards

> > > > > > Sushma

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed.

> > Else

> > > > there

> > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the

native.

> > > Else

> > > > it

> > > > > can

> > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested

in

> > > > > protecting

> > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon

the

> > > > > placement

> > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and

> he

> > > > started

> > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why?

> because

> > > any

> > > > > house

> > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house

> > which

> > > > is

> > > > > jala

> > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand

what

> > > > happened.

> > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from

> shatrus.

> > > None

> > > > > will

> > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th

> > planet

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in

> > > Navamsa.

> > > > > Also,

> > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got

> > power

> > > to

> > > > > make

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna

> > lord.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who

> will

> > > > help.

> > > > > Ista

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord

> (if

> > > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes

> > which

> > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish

> will

> > be

> > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting

> ari-

> > > > mantra,

> > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while

selecting

> a

> > > > mantra

> > > > > for

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in

> paramparas

> > > > only.

> > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has

> > > brought

> > > > > out in

> > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha

> mantras,

> > > > unless

> > > > > you

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up

on

> > > > mantra,

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any

> perticular

> > > > mantra

> > > > > and

> > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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No - RRJI - saffron + Honey as per ayurveda make Human sickness free -

this is best what we say antioxident.

 

and a lot of thanks - shukrya - dhanyawad. it all needed to others

not my owns - i think you are my own. like big brother. so what is

need - except best pray for your health, prosperity and knowledge,

and saffron + Honey is symbol of all these.

 

 

kind regards

Niket

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Niketji,

>

> Thanks for your kind gift but ONE of what you offer might make me

> sick, while the other might try to change my religion!

>

> What was wrong with just Dhanyavaad or Namaskaar or even Shukriya ;-

> )? Simple, commonplace, neutral and yet so POIGNANT, bu not

divisive!

>

> As I said elsewhere -- The world is not ready for Messihas and

> Miracles and nor are the Messihas READY!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " astroiniket "

> <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> >

> > yes RRji- offer you saffron+honey if you like :-))

> >

> > regards

> > niket

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Niketji,

> > >

> > > Indeed it is perhaps not a black or white reality that we all

> live

> > > in! Scientists have known and accepted that for hundreds of

years

> > > because why else would scientific theories and dogmas be tossed

> so

> > > readily if you truly follow the history and practice of science

> and

> > > scientists over the years!

> > >

> > > Each scientist has vehemently and passionately maintained that

> S/he

> > > alone is right in figuring out the secrets of the Creation but

> very

> > > quickly tossed aside when the evidence to the contrary was

> > > overwhelming and " obvious " .

> > >

> > > Without mincing words -- Occultism has been more forgiving!

> > > Historically!!

> > >

> > > And way more subjective, as DISCIPLINES go...

> > >

> > > AND it is not at all surprising because scientists must rely on

> > > physical senses, supported by observations of a physical

nature!

> > > Their job is EASY!

> > >

> > > Occultists on the other hand must rely on observations of a

> mental

> > > nature! The instrument is MIND and not every instrument is

> properly

> > > stabilized or duly calibrated. There are no ISO standards for

the

> > > MIND! WORSE: There are SEVERAL and mutually conflicting and

> > > incongruent...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " astroiniket "

> > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > No Raja - i am not disagree with you nor with brother JK - i

am

> > not

> > > > disagree with any one actualy.

> > > >

> > > > all we have our own belief - and own god or godess. NO

> discussion

> > > on

> > > > Bhagwan - i am not able to comment on almighty - who is ? how

> is?

> > > >

> > > > i strongly belief in " The one " " The only one " who is creator

of

> > > > COSMOS not only of this Universe. One who does not need any

> > thing -

> > > > one who is beyond everything - one who is not genderbound -

one

> > who

> > > > comes in form as we do imagination.

> > > >

> > > > leave it brother almighty is not the subject - almighty is

aove

> > > > subject.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > happy new year

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > rgds

> > > > niket

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > well, Vishnu is the source of jagatnirmata, shrishti

rachyeta

> > > > brahma

> > > > > emerged from Vishnu Nabhi. Vishnu himself merges with

> > Shiva 'the

> > > > > svayambhu' who was a stambha of fire from whom vishnu

> emerged.

> > > > >

> > > > > all the other deities are the amsha deities of the main

> > trinity.

> > > > >

> > > > > Don't know about Allah or jesus or joseph or Jehovah, my

rule

> > of

> > > > > thumb when it comes to religion is any religion other than

> mine

> > > is

> > > > > Myth and i am sure " they " think same. That is just my

belief

> > and

> > > > you

> > > > > are welcomed to disagree to it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Raja

> > > > >

> > > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA

OR

> > > > > KRISHANA -

> > > > > > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR

SHIVA

> OR

> > > IN

> > > > > > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN

> JESSUS

> > > > LIKE

> > > > > > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE

DOES

> > NOT

> > > > NEED

> > > > > > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY

FORM

> > THAT

> > > > > RUPA.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH -

SEE

> > > LORD

> > > > > > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE

> THE

> > > MOOL

> > > > > > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME.

BOTH

> > > > KRISHN

> > > > > > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR

SELF

> > > > > ENJOYMENT

> > > > > > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD

> IS

> > > MORE

> > > > > > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT

> NAME -

> >

> > > > > FORMS -

> > > > > > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE

THAT

> > SHIV

> > > > > ALSO

> > > > > > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA

OR

> > > > > KARTIKEY

> > > > > > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS

> MAHAVEER

> > > > BUDHA

> > > > > > ALL ARE BHAGWAN .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY -

IS

> > > ONE -

> > > > > > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RGDS

> > > > > > nIKET

> > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety

who

> > > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > ready to

> > > > > > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the

> > > cabinet

> > > > of

> > > > > > Gods &

> > > > > > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other

> > departments,

> > > > as

> > > > > > per your

> > > > > > > requirement.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is

> the

> > > > whole

> > > > > > body.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be

> > > recited

> > > > > > without any

> > > > > > > hitch.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Behalf Of

> > > bhagvatjee

> > > > > > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji

> > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam

> > > > > > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening

one.

> > > > > > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras

> which

> > > can

> > > > be

> > > > > > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those

> > > Deities

> > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting

> because,

> > as

> > > > you

> > > > > > said,

> > > > > > > they might not be intersted in helping us.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to

> > > please

> > > > to

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > some definite results?

> > > > > > > With regards

> > > > > > > Sushma

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

removed.

> > > Else

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the

> native.

> > > > Else

> > > > > it

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all

interested

> in

> > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon

> the

> > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H

and

> > he

> > > > > started

> > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why?

> > because

> > > > any

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th

house

> > > which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand

> what

> > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from

> > shatrus.

> > > > None

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th

> > > planet

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in

> > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has

got

> > > power

> > > > to

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from

Lagna

> > > lord.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who

> > will

> > > > > help.

> > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th

lord

> > (if

> > > > > there

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet

denotes

> > > which

> > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish

> > will

> > > be

> > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by

reciting

> > ari-

> > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while

> selecting

> > a

> > > > > mantra

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in

> > paramparas

> > > > > only.

> > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology "

has

> > > > brought

> > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha

> > mantras,

> > > > > unless

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write

up

> on

> > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any

> > perticular

> > > > > mantra

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Niketji,

 

Please do not make such wild claims on public fora that " honey and

saffron " are antioxidants! This is a serious matter, please be

responsible and in that vein do you have any reputable evidence that

these two are?

 

Your good wishes and brotherhood are gratefully acknowledged but what

else could two human beings be if they were not siblings? Kind of

a " moot " point as far as I am concerned! We ALL are siblings ;-)

 

 

RR

 

, " astroiniket "

<nakshtraniket wrote:

>

> No - RRJI - saffron + Honey as per ayurveda make Human sickness

free -

> this is best what we say antioxident.

>

> and a lot of thanks - shukrya - dhanyawad. it all needed to others

> not my owns - i think you are my own. like big brother. so what is

> need - except best pray for your health, prosperity and knowledge,

> and saffron + Honey is symbol of all these.

>

>

> kind regards

> Niket

>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Niketji,

> >

> > Thanks for your kind gift but ONE of what you offer might make me

> > sick, while the other might try to change my religion!

> >

> > What was wrong with just Dhanyavaad or Namaskaar or even

Shukriya ;-

> > )? Simple, commonplace, neutral and yet so POIGNANT, bu not

> divisive!

> >

> > As I said elsewhere -- The world is not ready for Messihas and

> > Miracles and nor are the Messihas READY!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " astroiniket "

> > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > >

> > > yes RRji- offer you saffron+honey if you like :-))

> > >

> > > regards

> > > niket

> > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Niketji,

> > > >

> > > > Indeed it is perhaps not a black or white reality that we all

> > live

> > > > in! Scientists have known and accepted that for hundreds of

> years

> > > > because why else would scientific theories and dogmas be

tossed

> > so

> > > > readily if you truly follow the history and practice of

science

> > and

> > > > scientists over the years!

> > > >

> > > > Each scientist has vehemently and passionately maintained

that

> > S/he

> > > > alone is right in figuring out the secrets of the Creation

but

> > very

> > > > quickly tossed aside when the evidence to the contrary was

> > > > overwhelming and " obvious " .

> > > >

> > > > Without mincing words -- Occultism has been more forgiving!

> > > > Historically!!

> > > >

> > > > And way more subjective, as DISCIPLINES go...

> > > >

> > > > AND it is not at all surprising because scientists must rely

on

> > > > physical senses, supported by observations of a physical

> nature!

> > > > Their job is EASY!

> > > >

> > > > Occultists on the other hand must rely on observations of a

> > mental

> > > > nature! The instrument is MIND and not every instrument is

> > properly

> > > > stabilized or duly calibrated. There are no ISO standards for

> the

> > > > MIND! WORSE: There are SEVERAL and mutually conflicting and

> > > > incongruent...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > No Raja - i am not disagree with you nor with brother JK -

i

> am

> > > not

> > > > > disagree with any one actualy.

> > > > >

> > > > > all we have our own belief - and own god or godess. NO

> > discussion

> > > > on

> > > > > Bhagwan - i am not able to comment on almighty - who is ?

how

> > is?

> > > > >

> > > > > i strongly belief in " The one " " The only one " who is

creator

> of

> > > > > COSMOS not only of this Universe. One who does not need any

> > > thing -

> > > > > one who is beyond everything - one who is not genderbound -

> one

> > > who

> > > > > comes in form as we do imagination.

> > > > >

> > > > > leave it brother almighty is not the subject - almighty is

> aove

> > > > > subject.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > happy new year

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > rgds

> > > > > niket

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Raja "

<desi.raja@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > well, Vishnu is the source of jagatnirmata, shrishti

> rachyeta

> > > > > brahma

> > > > > > emerged from Vishnu Nabhi. Vishnu himself merges with

> > > Shiva 'the

> > > > > > svayambhu' who was a stambha of fire from whom vishnu

> > emerged.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > all the other deities are the amsha deities of the main

> > > trinity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Don't know about Allah or jesus or joseph or Jehovah, my

> rule

> > > of

> > > > > > thumb when it comes to religion is any religion other

than

> > mine

> > > > is

> > > > > > Myth and i am sure " they " think same. That is just my

> belief

> > > and

> > > > > you

> > > > > > are welcomed to disagree to it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raja

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA

> OR

> > > > > > KRISHANA -

> > > > > > > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR

> SHIVA

> > OR

> > > > IN

> > > > > > > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN

> > JESSUS

> > > > > LIKE

> > > > > > > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE

> DOES

> > > NOT

> > > > > NEED

> > > > > > > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY

> FORM

> > > THAT

> > > > > > RUPA.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH -

> SEE

> > > > LORD

> > > > > > > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW

SEE

> > THE

> > > > MOOL

> > > > > > > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME.

> BOTH

> > > > > KRISHN

> > > > > > > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR

> SELF

> > > > > > ENJOYMENT

> > > > > > > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF

WORD

> > IS

> > > > MORE

> > > > > > > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT

> > NAME -

> > >

> > > > > > FORMS -

> > > > > > > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE

> THAT

> > > SHIV

> > > > > > ALSO

> > > > > > > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE

GANESHA

> OR

> > > > > > KARTIKEY

> > > > > > > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS

> > MAHAVEER

> > > > > BUDHA

> > > > > > > ALL ARE BHAGWAN .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY -

 

> IS

> > > > ONE -

> > > > > > > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RGDS

> > > > > > > nIKET

> > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety

> who

> > > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > ready to

> > > > > > > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in

the

> > > > cabinet

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Gods &

> > > > > > > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other

> > > departments,

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > per your

> > > > > > > > requirement.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu

is

> > the

> > > > > whole

> > > > > > > body.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can

be

> > > > recited

> > > > > > > without any

> > > > > > > > hitch.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Behalf Of

> > > > bhagvatjee

> > > > > > > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji

> > > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam

> > > > > > > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening

> one.

> > > > > > > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras

> > which

> > > > can

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify

those

> > > > Deities

> > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting

> > because,

> > > as

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > said,

> > > > > > > > they might not be intersted in helping us.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like

to

> > > > please

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > some definite results?

> > > > > > > > With regards

> > > > > > > > Sushma

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> removed.

> > > > Else

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the

> > native.

> > > > > Else

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all

> interested

> > in

> > > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends

upon

> > the

> > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H

> and

> > > he

> > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why?

> > > because

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th

> house

> > > > which

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand

> > what

> > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from

> > > shatrus.

> > > > > None

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the

6th

> > > > planet

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka

in

> > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has

> got

> > > > power

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from

> Lagna

> > > > lord.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista

who

> > > will

> > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th

> lord

> > > (if

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet

> denotes

> > > > which

> > > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your

wish

> > > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by

> reciting

> > > ari-

> > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while

> > selecting

> > > a

> > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in

> > > paramparas

> > > > > > only.

> > > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology "

> has

> > > > > brought

> > > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha

> > > mantras,

> > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write

> up

> > on

> > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any

> > > perticular

> > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Shree RRji,

pleas read ayurveda books like - charak sahinta, sushrut sahinta -

dhanwantari vidhana - and please read chemical analysis of saffron

and honey - in all ayurveda med which are for kayakalpa; both used as

main Ghatak.

 

in this nature everything is amrit, and every thing is poison -

depend on use - how and when, we use - the quantity is also a major

factor in that.

 

what i told ; i told symbolic - leave skin on hair. do not peel it

off pls.

 

yes Vasudhev Kutumbkam - we all are kid of almighty - We ALL are

siblings ;-) no doubt.

 

kind regards

Niket

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Niketji,

>

> Please do not make such wild claims on public fora that " honey and

> saffron " are antioxidants! This is a serious matter, please be

> responsible and in that vein do you have any reputable evidence

that

> these two are?

>

> Your good wishes and brotherhood are gratefully acknowledged but

what

> else could two human beings be if they were not siblings? Kind of

> a " moot " point as far as I am concerned! We ALL are siblings ;-)

>

>

> RR

>

> , " astroiniket "

> <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> >

> > No - RRJI - saffron + Honey as per ayurveda make Human sickness

> free -

> > this is best what we say antioxident.

> >

> > and a lot of thanks - shukrya - dhanyawad. it all needed to

others

> > not my owns - i think you are my own. like big brother. so what

is

> > need - except best pray for your health, prosperity and

knowledge,

> > and saffron + Honey is symbol of all these.

> >

> >

> > kind regards

> > Niket

> >

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Niketji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your kind gift but ONE of what you offer might make

me

> > > sick, while the other might try to change my religion!

> > >

> > > What was wrong with just Dhanyavaad or Namaskaar or even

> Shukriya ;-

> > > )? Simple, commonplace, neutral and yet so POIGNANT, bu not

> > divisive!

> > >

> > > As I said elsewhere -- The world is not ready for Messihas and

> > > Miracles and nor are the Messihas READY!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " astroiniket "

> > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > yes RRji- offer you saffron+honey if you like :-))

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > niket

> > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Niketji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Indeed it is perhaps not a black or white reality that we

all

> > > live

> > > > > in! Scientists have known and accepted that for hundreds of

> > years

> > > > > because why else would scientific theories and dogmas be

> tossed

> > > so

> > > > > readily if you truly follow the history and practice of

> science

> > > and

> > > > > scientists over the years!

> > > > >

> > > > > Each scientist has vehemently and passionately maintained

> that

> > > S/he

> > > > > alone is right in figuring out the secrets of the Creation

> but

> > > very

> > > > > quickly tossed aside when the evidence to the contrary was

> > > > > overwhelming and " obvious " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Without mincing words -- Occultism has been more forgiving!

> > > > > Historically!!

> > > > >

> > > > > And way more subjective, as DISCIPLINES go...

> > > > >

> > > > > AND it is not at all surprising because scientists must

rely

> on

> > > > > physical senses, supported by observations of a physical

> > nature!

> > > > > Their job is EASY!

> > > > >

> > > > > Occultists on the other hand must rely on observations of a

> > > mental

> > > > > nature! The instrument is MIND and not every instrument is

> > > properly

> > > > > stabilized or duly calibrated. There are no ISO standards

for

> > the

> > > > > MIND! WORSE: There are SEVERAL and mutually conflicting and

> > > > > incongruent...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No Raja - i am not disagree with you nor with brother JK -

 

> i

> > am

> > > > not

> > > > > > disagree with any one actualy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > all we have our own belief - and own god or godess. NO

> > > discussion

> > > > > on

> > > > > > Bhagwan - i am not able to comment on almighty - who is ?

> how

> > > is?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i strongly belief in " The one " " The only one " who is

> creator

> > of

> > > > > > COSMOS not only of this Universe. One who does not need

any

> > > > thing -

> > > > > > one who is beyond everything - one who is not

genderbound -

> > one

> > > > who

> > > > > > comes in form as we do imagination.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > leave it brother almighty is not the subject - almighty

is

> > aove

> > > > > > subject.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > happy new year

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rgds

> > > > > > niket

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Raja "

> <desi.raja@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > well, Vishnu is the source of jagatnirmata, shrishti

> > rachyeta

> > > > > > brahma

> > > > > > > emerged from Vishnu Nabhi. Vishnu himself merges with

> > > > Shiva 'the

> > > > > > > svayambhu' who was a stambha of fire from whom vishnu

> > > emerged.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > all the other deities are the amsha deities of the main

> > > > trinity.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Don't know about Allah or jesus or joseph or Jehovah,

my

> > rule

> > > > of

> > > > > > > thumb when it comes to religion is any religion other

> than

> > > mine

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > Myth and i am sure " they " think same. That is just my

> > belief

> > > > and

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > are welcomed to disagree to it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT

RAMA

> > OR

> > > > > > > KRISHANA -

> > > > > > > > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR

> > SHIVA

> > > OR

> > > > > IN

> > > > > > > > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR

IN

> > > JESSUS

> > > > > > LIKE

> > > > > > > > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE

> > DOES

> > > > NOT

> > > > > > NEED

> > > > > > > > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY

> > FORM

> > > > THAT

> > > > > > > RUPA.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN

DEPTH -

> > SEE

> > > > > LORD

> > > > > > > > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW

> SEE

> > > THE

> > > > > MOOL

> > > > > > > > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH

SAME.

> > BOTH

> > > > > > KRISHN

> > > > > > > > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR

THEIR

> > SELF

> > > > > > > ENJOYMENT

> > > > > > > > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF

> WORD

> > > IS

> > > > > MORE

> > > > > > > > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE

DIFFRENT

> > > NAME -

> > > >

> > > > > > > FORMS -

> > > > > > > > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE

> > THAT

> > > > SHIV

> > > > > > > ALSO

> > > > > > > > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE

> GANESHA

> > OR

> > > > > > > KARTIKEY

> > > > > > > > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS

> > > MAHAVEER

> > > > > > BUDHA

> > > > > > > > ALL ARE BHAGWAN .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON

ALMIGHTY -

>

> > IS

> > > > > ONE -

> > > > > > > > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RGDS

> > > > > > > > nIKET

> > > > > > > > --- In

, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the

diety

> > who

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > ready to

> > > > > > > > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in

> the

> > > > > cabinet

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Gods &

> > > > > > > > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other

> > > > departments,

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > per your

> > > > > > > > > requirement.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu.

Vishnu

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > body.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can

> be

> > > > > recited

> > > > > > > > without any

> > > > > > > > > hitch.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On Behalf

Of

> > > > > bhagvatjee

> > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji

> > > > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for writing this. It is really

enlightening

> > one.

> > > > > > > > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh

Mantras

> > > which

> > > > > can

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify

> those

> > > > > Deities

> > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting

> > > because,

> > > > as

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > said,

> > > > > > > > > they might not be intersted in helping us.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we

like

> to

> > > > > please

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > some definite results?

> > > > > > > > > With regards

> > > > > > > > > Sushma

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> > removed.

> > > > > Else

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the

> > > native.

> > > > > > Else

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all

> > interested

> > > in

> > > > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends

> upon

> > > the

> > > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in

5H

> > and

> > > > he

> > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling.

Why?

> > > > because

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th

> > house

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can

understand

> > > what

> > > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from

> > > > shatrus.

> > > > > > None

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the

> 6th

> > > > > planet

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma

Karaka

> in

> > > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that

has

> > got

> > > > > power

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from

> > Lagna

> > > > > lord.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista

> who

> > > > will

> > > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th

> > lord

> > > > (if

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet

> > denotes

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your

> wish

> > > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by

> > reciting

> > > > ari-

> > > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while

> > > selecting

> > > > a

> > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in

> > > > paramparas

> > > > > > > only.

> > > > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in

Astrology "

> > has

> > > > > > brought

> > > > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha

> > > > mantras,

> > > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief

write

> > up

> > > on

> > > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any

> > > > perticular

> > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Dear Niket,

 

You may call it anything. It is that ultimate power which has no form.

Beacause I am an ordinery person and cannot percieve that power without

form - I am calling it Vishnu.

 

Regards

 

Jk

 

On Behalf Of astroiniket

Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:23 PM

Re: swaha

 

 

jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR KRISHANA -

OR SURYA OR GANESHA ??

 

WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR IN

SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS LIKE

THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS -

 

IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES NOT NEED

ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM THAT RUPA.

 

I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE LORD

KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE MOOL

MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH KRISHN

VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING.

 

MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF ENJOYMENT

HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS.

 

GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS MORE

THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME - FORMS -

I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT SHIV ALSO

BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR KARTIKEY

OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER BUDHA

ALL ARE BHAGWAN .

 

IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS ONE -

" THE ONE AND ONLY ONE "

 

PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD.

 

RGDS

nIKET

, " jk.dasgupta "

<jk.dasgupta wrote:

>

> you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who will be

ready to

> oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the cabinet of

Gods &

> Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other departments, as

per your

> requirement.

>

> Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the whole

body.

>

> I have already listed in general, which mantras can be recited

without any

> hitch.

>

> Regards

>

> Jk

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of bhagvatjee

> Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM

>

> Re: swaha

>

>

> Dear Dasgupta Ji

> Jaya Siyaa Raam

> Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one.

> Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which can be

> recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those Deities

whose

> Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as you

said,

> they might not be intersted in helping us.

>

> Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to please to

get

> some definite results?

> With regards

> Sushma

>

> , " jk.dasgupta "

> <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Raja,

> >

> > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else there

> are some

> > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else it

can

> creat

> > havoc.

> >

> > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in

protecting

> you? Lord

> > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the

placement

> of Mars in

> > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he started

> chanting

> > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any

house

> is maraka

> > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is

jala

> tattwa.

> > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what happened.

> Either agni

> > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> >

> > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None

will

> do it

> > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of

the

> 6th lord

> > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa.

Also,

> If any

> > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to

make

> one

> > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord.

> >

> > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help.

Ista

> is

> > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there

is

> no

> > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which

diety are

> > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> >

> > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be

> fullfilled by

> > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari-mantra,

> one lost

> > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a mantra

for

> a

> > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only.

Pt.

> Sanjay

> > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought

out in

> clarity.

> >

> > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, unless

you

> get

> > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on mantra,

> different

> > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular mantra

and

> post it

> > in the list - whenever i find some time

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Jk

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hare Rama - Hare Krishna,

brother jk - you are right - my self also called him by so many names

and do worship in all forms.

 

rgds

niket

, " jk.dasgupta "

<jk.dasgupta wrote:

>

> Dear Niket,

>

> You may call it anything. It is that ultimate power which has no

form.

> Beacause I am an ordinery person and cannot percieve that power

without

> form - I am calling it Vishnu.

>

> Regards

>

> Jk

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of astroiniket

> Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:23 PM

>

> Re: swaha

>

>

> jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR

KRISHANA -

> OR SURYA OR GANESHA ??

>

> WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR IN

> SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS LIKE

> THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS -

>

> IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES NOT

NEED

> ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM THAT

RUPA.

>

> I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE LORD

> KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE MOOL

> MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH KRISHN

> VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING.

>

> MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF

ENJOYMENT

> HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS.

>

> GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS MORE

> THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME -

FORMS -

> I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT SHIV

ALSO

> BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR

KARTIKEY

> OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER

BUDHA

> ALL ARE BHAGWAN .

>

> IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS ONE -

> " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE "

>

> PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD.

>

> RGDS

> nIKET

> , " jk.dasgupta "

> <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> >

> > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who will

be

> ready to

> > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the cabinet

of

> Gods &

> > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other departments, as

> per your

> > requirement.

> >

> > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the

whole

> body.

> >

> > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be recited

> without any

> > hitch.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Jk

> >

> >

> >

> > On Behalf Of bhagvatjee

> > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM

> >

> > Re: swaha

> >

> >

> > Dear Dasgupta Ji

> > Jaya Siyaa Raam

> > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one.

> > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which can be

> > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those Deities

> whose

> > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as you

> said,

> > they might not be intersted in helping us.

> >

> > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to please to

> get

> > some definite results?

> > With regards

> > Sushma

> >

> > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Raja,

> > >

> > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else

there

> > are some

> > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else

it

> can

> > creat

> > > havoc.

> > >

> > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in

> protecting

> > you? Lord

> > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the

> placement

> > of Mars in

> > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he

started

> > chanting

> > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any

> house

> > is maraka

> > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is

> jala

> > tattwa.

> > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what

happened.

> > Either agni

> > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > >

> > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None

> will

> > do it

> > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of

> the

> > 6th lord

> > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa.

> Also,

> > If any

> > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to

> make

> > one

> > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord.

> > >

> > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help.

> Ista

> > is

> > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there

> is

> > no

> > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which

> diety are

> > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > >

> > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be

> > fullfilled by

> > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari-

mantra,

> > one lost

> > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a

mantra

> for

> > a

> > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only.

> Pt.

> > Sanjay

> > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought

> out in

> > clarity.

> > >

> > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras,

unless

> you

> > get

> > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on

mantra,

> > different

> > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular

mantra

> and

> > post it

> > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Jk

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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:-)

 

Why to worship Him in so many forms and make Him uncomfortable? He is

already sitting ready in the form I called Him yesterday - and today if I

change the form, He has to again undress, put up a new dress and then come

to me. Tomorrow again I will change the form and again He has to run.

 

Why to make Him run so much?

 

Regards

 

Jk

 

On Behalf Of astroiniket

Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:17 PM

Re: swaha

 

 

Hare Rama - Hare Krishna,

brother jk - you are right - my self also called him by so many names

and do worship in all forms.

 

rgds

niket

, " jk.dasgupta "

<jk.dasgupta wrote:

>

> Dear Niket,

>

> You may call it anything. It is that ultimate power which has no

form.

> Beacause I am an ordinery person and cannot percieve that power

without

> form - I am calling it Vishnu.

>

> Regards

>

> Jk

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of astroiniket

> Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:23 PM

>

> Re: swaha

>

>

> jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR

KRISHANA -

> OR SURYA OR GANESHA ??

>

> WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR IN

> SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS LIKE

> THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS -

>

> IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES NOT

NEED

> ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM THAT

RUPA.

>

> I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE LORD

> KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE MOOL

> MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH KRISHN

> VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING.

>

> MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF

ENJOYMENT

> HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS.

>

> GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS MORE

> THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME -

FORMS -

> I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT SHIV

ALSO

> BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR

KARTIKEY

> OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER

BUDHA

> ALL ARE BHAGWAN .

>

> IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS ONE -

> " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE "

>

> PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD.

>

> RGDS

> nIKET

> , " jk.dasgupta "

> <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> >

> > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who will

be

> ready to

> > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the cabinet

of

> Gods &

> > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other departments, as

> per your

> > requirement.

> >

> > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the

whole

> body.

> >

> > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be recited

> without any

> > hitch.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Jk

> >

> >

> >

> > On Behalf Of bhagvatjee

> > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM

> >

> > Re: swaha

> >

> >

> > Dear Dasgupta Ji

> > Jaya Siyaa Raam

> > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one.

> > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which can be

> > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those Deities

> whose

> > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as you

> said,

> > they might not be intersted in helping us.

> >

> > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to please to

> get

> > some definite results?

> > With regards

> > Sushma

> >

> > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Raja,

> > >

> > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else

there

> > are some

> > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else

it

> can

> > creat

> > > havoc.

> > >

> > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in

> protecting

> > you? Lord

> > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the

> placement

> > of Mars in

> > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he

started

> > chanting

> > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any

> house

> > is maraka

> > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is

> jala

> > tattwa.

> > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what

happened.

> > Either agni

> > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > >

> > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None

> will

> > do it

> > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of

> the

> > 6th lord

> > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa.

> Also,

> > If any

> > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to

> make

> > one

> > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord.

> > >

> > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help.

> Ista

> > is

> > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there

> is

> > no

> > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which

> diety are

> > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > >

> > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be

> > fullfilled by

> > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari-

mantra,

> > one lost

> > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a

mantra

> for

> > a

> > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only.

> Pt.

> > Sanjay

> > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought

> out in

> > clarity.

> > >

> > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras,

unless

> you

> > get

> > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on

mantra,

> > different

> > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular

mantra

> and

> > post it

> > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Jk

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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:-) becoz he also do same thing with us ; so i do with him - old

relation you know.

 

Niket

 

 

, " jk.dasgupta "

<jk.dasgupta wrote:

>

> :-)

>

> Why to worship Him in so many forms and make Him uncomfortable? He

is

> already sitting ready in the form I called Him yesterday - and

today if I

> change the form, He has to again undress, put up a new dress and

then come

> to me. Tomorrow again I will change the form and again He has to

run.

>

> Why to make Him run so much?

>

> Regards

>

> Jk

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of astroiniket

> Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:17 PM

>

> Re: swaha

>

>

> Hare Rama - Hare Krishna,

> brother jk - you are right - my self also called him by so many

names

> and do worship in all forms.

>

> rgds

> niket

> , " jk.dasgupta "

> <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Niket,

> >

> > You may call it anything. It is that ultimate power which has no

> form.

> > Beacause I am an ordinery person and cannot percieve that power

> without

> > form - I am calling it Vishnu.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Jk

> >

> >

> >

> > On Behalf Of

astroiniket

> > Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:23 PM

> >

> > Re: swaha

> >

> >

> > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR

> KRISHANA -

> > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ??

> >

> > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR IN

> > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS

LIKE

> > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS -

> >

> > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES NOT

> NEED

> > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM THAT

> RUPA.

> >

> > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE LORD

> > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE

MOOL

> > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH

KRISHN

> > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING.

> >

> > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF

> ENJOYMENT

> > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS.

> >

> > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS

MORE

> > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME -

> FORMS -

> > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT SHIV

> ALSO

> > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR

> KARTIKEY

> > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER

> BUDHA

> > ALL ARE BHAGWAN .

> >

> > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS

ONE -

> > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE "

> >

> > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD.

> >

> > RGDS

> > nIKET

> > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > >

> > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who will

> be

> > ready to

> > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the cabinet

> of

> > Gods &

> > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other departments,

as

> > per your

> > > requirement.

> > >

> > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the

> whole

> > body.

> > >

> > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be recited

> > without any

> > > hitch.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Jk

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Behalf Of

bhagvatjee

> > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM

> > >

> > > Re: swaha

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Dasgupta Ji

> > > Jaya Siyaa Raam

> > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one.

> > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which can

be

> > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those Deities

> > whose

> > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as

you

> > said,

> > > they might not be intersted in helping us.

> > >

> > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to please

to

> > get

> > > some definite results?

> > > With regards

> > > Sushma

> > >

> > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Raja,

> > > >

> > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else

> there

> > > are some

> > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else

> it

> > can

> > > creat

> > > > havoc.

> > > >

> > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in

> > protecting

> > > you? Lord

> > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the

> > placement

> > > of Mars in

> > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he

> started

> > > chanting

> > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any

> > house

> > > is maraka

> > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which

is

> > jala

> > > tattwa.

> > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what

> happened.

> > > Either agni

> > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > >

> > > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus.

None

> > will

> > > do it

> > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet

of

> > the

> > > 6th lord

> > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa.

> > Also,

> > > If any

> > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power

to

> > make

> > > one

> > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord.

> > > >

> > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will

help.

> > Ista

> > > is

> > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if

there

> > is

> > > no

> > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which

> > diety are

> > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > >

> > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be

> > > fullfilled by

> > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari-

> mantra,

> > > one lost

> > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a

> mantra

> > for

> > > a

> > > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas

only.

> > Pt.

> > > Sanjay

> > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought

> > out in

> > > clarity.

> > > >

> > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras,

> unless

> > you

> > > get

> > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on

> mantra,

> > > different

> > > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular

> mantra

> > and

> > > post it

> > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Jk

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Good idea to take revenge. I will also give it a try

 

Jk

 

On Behalf Of astroiniket

Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:41 PM

Re: swaha

 

 

:-) becoz he also do same thing with us ; so i do with him - old

relation you know.

 

Niket

 

, " jk.dasgupta "

<jk.dasgupta wrote:

>

> :-)

>

> Why to worship Him in so many forms and make Him uncomfortable? He

is

> already sitting ready in the form I called Him yesterday - and

today if I

> change the form, He has to again undress, put up a new dress and

then come

> to me. Tomorrow again I will change the form and again He has to

run.

>

> Why to make Him run so much?

>

> Regards

>

> Jk

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of astroiniket

> Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:17 PM

>

> Re: swaha

>

>

> Hare Rama - Hare Krishna,

> brother jk - you are right - my self also called him by so many

names

> and do worship in all forms.

>

> rgds

> niket

> , " jk.dasgupta "

> <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Niket,

> >

> > You may call it anything. It is that ultimate power which has no

> form.

> > Beacause I am an ordinery person and cannot percieve that power

> without

> > form - I am calling it Vishnu.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Jk

> >

> >

> >

> > On Behalf Of

astroiniket

> > Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:23 PM

> >

> > Re: swaha

> >

> >

> > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR

> KRISHANA -

> > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ??

> >

> > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR IN

> > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS

LIKE

> > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS -

> >

> > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES NOT

> NEED

> > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM THAT

> RUPA.

> >

> > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE LORD

> > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE

MOOL

> > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH

KRISHN

> > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING.

> >

> > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF

> ENJOYMENT

> > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS.

> >

> > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS

MORE

> > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME -

> FORMS -

> > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT SHIV

> ALSO

> > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR

> KARTIKEY

> > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER

> BUDHA

> > ALL ARE BHAGWAN .

> >

> > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS

ONE -

> > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE "

> >

> > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD.

> >

> > RGDS

> > nIKET

> > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > >

> > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who will

> be

> > ready to

> > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the cabinet

> of

> > Gods &

> > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other departments,

as

> > per your

> > > requirement.

> > >

> > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the

> whole

> > body.

> > >

> > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be recited

> > without any

> > > hitch.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Jk

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Behalf Of

bhagvatjee

> > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM

> > >

> > > Re: swaha

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Dasgupta Ji

> > > Jaya Siyaa Raam

> > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one.

> > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which can

be

> > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those Deities

> > whose

> > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as

you

> > said,

> > > they might not be intersted in helping us.

> > >

> > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to please

to

> > get

> > > some definite results?

> > > With regards

> > > Sushma

> > >

> > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Raja,

> > > >

> > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else

> there

> > > are some

> > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else

> it

> > can

> > > creat

> > > > havoc.

> > > >

> > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in

> > protecting

> > > you? Lord

> > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the

> > placement

> > > of Mars in

> > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he

> started

> > > chanting

> > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any

> > house

> > > is maraka

> > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which

is

> > jala

> > > tattwa.

> > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what

> happened.

> > > Either agni

> > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > >

> > > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus.

None

> > will

> > > do it

> > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet

of

> > the

> > > 6th lord

> > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa.

> > Also,

> > > If any

> > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power

to

> > make

> > > one

> > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord.

> > > >

> > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will

help.

> > Ista

> > > is

> > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if

there

> > is

> > > no

> > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which

> > diety are

> > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > >

> > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be

> > > fullfilled by

> > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari-

> mantra,

> > > one lost

> > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a

> mantra

> > for

> > > a

> > > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas

only.

> > Pt.

> > > Sanjay

> > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought

> > out in

> > > clarity.

> > > >

> > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras,

> unless

> > you

> > > get

> > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on

> mantra,

> > > different

> > > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular

> mantra

> > and

> > > post it

> > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Jk

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Why and What for? I would rather wait for the authentic version by

Dr. Deepak Chopra or Reader's Digest perhaps! (T-i-C) by the way!

 

RR

 

, " astroiniket "

<nakshtraniket wrote:

>

> Shree RRji,

> pleas read ayurveda books like - charak sahinta, sushrut sahinta -

> dhanwantari vidhana - and please read chemical analysis of saffron

> and honey - in all ayurveda med which are for kayakalpa; both used

as

> main Ghatak.

>

> in this nature everything is amrit, and every thing is poison -

> depend on use - how and when, we use - the quantity is also a major

> factor in that.

>

> what i told ; i told symbolic - leave skin on hair. do not peel it

> off pls.

>

> yes Vasudhev Kutumbkam - we all are kid of almighty - We ALL are

> siblings ;-) no doubt.

>

> kind regards

> Niket

>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Niketji,

> >

> > Please do not make such wild claims on public fora that " honey

and

> > saffron " are antioxidants! This is a serious matter, please be

> > responsible and in that vein do you have any reputable evidence

> that

> > these two are?

> >

> > Your good wishes and brotherhood are gratefully acknowledged but

> what

> > else could two human beings be if they were not siblings? Kind of

> > a " moot " point as far as I am concerned! We ALL are siblings ;-)

> >

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , " astroiniket "

> > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > >

> > > No - RRJI - saffron + Honey as per ayurveda make Human sickness

> > free -

> > > this is best what we say antioxident.

> > >

> > > and a lot of thanks - shukrya - dhanyawad. it all needed to

> others

> > > not my owns - i think you are my own. like big brother. so what

> is

> > > need - except best pray for your health, prosperity and

> knowledge,

> > > and saffron + Honey is symbol of all these.

> > >

> > >

> > > kind regards

> > > Niket

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Niketji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your kind gift but ONE of what you offer might

make

> me

> > > > sick, while the other might try to change my religion!

> > > >

> > > > What was wrong with just Dhanyavaad or Namaskaar or even

> > Shukriya ;-

> > > > )? Simple, commonplace, neutral and yet so POIGNANT, bu not

> > > divisive!

> > > >

> > > > As I said elsewhere -- The world is not ready for Messihas

and

> > > > Miracles and nor are the Messihas READY!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > yes RRji- offer you saffron+honey if you like :-))

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > niket

> > > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Niketji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Indeed it is perhaps not a black or white reality that we

> all

> > > > live

> > > > > > in! Scientists have known and accepted that for hundreds

of

> > > years

> > > > > > because why else would scientific theories and dogmas be

> > tossed

> > > > so

> > > > > > readily if you truly follow the history and practice of

> > science

> > > > and

> > > > > > scientists over the years!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Each scientist has vehemently and passionately maintained

> > that

> > > > S/he

> > > > > > alone is right in figuring out the secrets of the

Creation

> > but

> > > > very

> > > > > > quickly tossed aside when the evidence to the contrary

was

> > > > > > overwhelming and " obvious " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Without mincing words -- Occultism has been more

forgiving!

> > > > > > Historically!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And way more subjective, as DISCIPLINES go...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > AND it is not at all surprising because scientists must

> rely

> > on

> > > > > > physical senses, supported by observations of a physical

> > > nature!

> > > > > > Their job is EASY!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Occultists on the other hand must rely on observations of

a

> > > > mental

> > > > > > nature! The instrument is MIND and not every instrument

is

> > > > properly

> > > > > > stabilized or duly calibrated. There are no ISO standards

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > MIND! WORSE: There are SEVERAL and mutually conflicting

and

> > > > > > incongruent...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No Raja - i am not disagree with you nor with brother

JK -

>

> > i

> > > am

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > disagree with any one actualy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > all we have our own belief - and own god or godess. NO

> > > > discussion

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > Bhagwan - i am not able to comment on almighty - who

is ?

> > how

> > > > is?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i strongly belief in " The one " " The only one " who is

> > creator

> > > of

> > > > > > > COSMOS not only of this Universe. One who does not need

> any

> > > > > thing -

> > > > > > > one who is beyond everything - one who is not

> genderbound -

> > > one

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > comes in form as we do imagination.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > leave it brother almighty is not the subject - almighty

> is

> > > aove

> > > > > > > subject.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > happy new year

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rgds

> > > > > > > niket

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Raja "

> > <desi.raja@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > well, Vishnu is the source of jagatnirmata, shrishti

> > > rachyeta

> > > > > > > brahma

> > > > > > > > emerged from Vishnu Nabhi. Vishnu himself merges with

> > > > > Shiva 'the

> > > > > > > > svayambhu' who was a stambha of fire from whom vishnu

> > > > emerged.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > all the other deities are the amsha deities of the

main

> > > > > trinity.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Don't know about Allah or jesus or joseph or Jehovah,

> my

> > > rule

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > thumb when it comes to religion is any religion other

> > than

> > > > mine

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > Myth and i am sure " they " think same. That is just my

> > > belief

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > are welcomed to disagree to it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

, " astroiniket "

> > > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT

> RAMA

> > > OR

> > > > > > > > KRISHANA -

> > > > > > > > > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA

OR

> > > SHIVA

> > > > OR

> > > > > > IN

> > > > > > > > > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR

> IN

> > > > JESSUS

> > > > > > > LIKE

> > > > > > > > > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT

ONE

> > > DOES

> > > > > NOT

> > > > > > > NEED

> > > > > > > > > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE

ALMIGHTY

> > > FORM

> > > > > THAT

> > > > > > > > RUPA.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN

> DEPTH -

> > > SEE

> > > > > > LORD

> > > > > > > > > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH -

NOW

> > SEE

> > > > THE

> > > > > > MOOL

> > > > > > > > > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH

> SAME.

> > > BOTH

> > > > > > > KRISHN

> > > > > > > > > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR

> THEIR

> > > SELF

> > > > > > > > ENJOYMENT

> > > > > > > > > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST

OF

> > WORD

> > > > IS

> > > > > > MORE

> > > > > > > > > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE

> DIFFRENT

> > > > NAME -

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > FORMS -

> > > > > > > > > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM

AGREE

> > > THAT

> > > > > SHIV

> > > > > > > > ALSO

> > > > > > > > > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE

> > GANESHA

> > > OR

> > > > > > > > KARTIKEY

> > > > > > > > > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME

JESSUS

> > > > MAHAVEER

> > > > > > > BUDHA

> > > > > > > > > ALL ARE BHAGWAN .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON

> ALMIGHTY -

> >

> > > IS

> > > > > > ONE -

> > > > > > > > > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RGDS

> > > > > > > > > nIKET

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the

> diety

> > > who

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > ready to

> > > > > > > > > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you

in

> > the

> > > > > > cabinet

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Gods &

> > > > > > > > > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other

> > > > > departments,

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > per your

> > > > > > > > > > requirement.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu.

> Vishnu

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > body.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras

can

> > be

> > > > > > recited

> > > > > > > > > without any

> > > > > > > > > > hitch.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On

Behalf

> Of

> > > > > > bhagvatjee

> > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji

> > > > > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for writing this. It is really

> enlightening

> > > one.

> > > > > > > > > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh

> Mantras

> > > > which

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify

> > those

> > > > > > Deities

> > > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting

> > > > because,

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > said,

> > > > > > > > > > they might not be intersted in helping us.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we

> like

> > to

> > > > > > please

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > some definite results?

> > > > > > > > > > With regards

> > > > > > > > > > Sushma

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> > > removed.

> > > > > > Else

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with

the

> > > > native.

> > > > > > > Else

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all

> > > interested

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all

depends

> > upon

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was

in

> 5H

> > > and

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling.

> Why?

> > > > > because

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is

4th

> > > house

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can

> understand

> > > > what

> > > > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection

from

> > > > > shatrus.

> > > > > > > None

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by

the

> > 6th

> > > > > > planet

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma

> Karaka

> > in

> > > > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that

> has

> > > got

> > > > > > power

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana

from

> > > Lagna

> > > > > > lord.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your

Ista

> > who

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the

12th

> > > lord

> > > > > (if

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet

> > > denotes

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that

your

> > wish

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by

> > > reciting

> > > > > ari-

> > > > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while

> > > > selecting

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in

> > > > > paramparas

> > > > > > > > only.

> > > > > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in

> Astrology "

> > > has

> > > > > > > brought

> > > > > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the

prashiddha

> > > > > mantras,

> > > > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief

> write

> > > up

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any

> > > > > perticular

> > > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Raja Ji

Jaya Siyaa Raam

Sorry, I did not understand your equation correctly, is it like this?

ie in our case example of Om Hari Mantra

source House = #words = 2 (the 2H) and

destination house = # letters = 3 (3H)

Mantra Devta is Vishnu or Shri Hari and

He'd be in Deva Sthaan or house #4 (the house No = difference between

the number of the source House and the destination House (2-3 = -1)

plus the destination House (-1 + 3 = 2)) strengthening the 3rd house.

How?

 

I could not follow this, coiuld you make it more clear, please?

With regards

Sushma

 

 

 

 

, " jk.dasgupta "

<jk.dasgupta wrote:

>

> Yes, you are right. That is the way I also have been taught. That

is where

> the mantra devata sits and gives result of that house.

>

> Regards

>

> Jk

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of Raja

> Friday, January 02, 2009 1:26 PM

>

> Re: swaha

>

>

> no no, devstan is a house of dev whose mantra is being chanted in

the

> horoscope. i.e in our case example of om hari mantra source =

#words

> = 2 and destination house = # letters = 3, mantra devta is vishnu

or

> Shri HAri and he'd be in devsthan or house #4 (the house from the

> destination house i.e 2 to 3 .. difference between the source

house

> and destination house plus the destination house) strengthening

3rd

> house.

>

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devsthan was derived by => 3(dest) - 2(source) = 1(result) + 3(dest)

= 4

 

 

, " bhagvatjee "

<bhagvatjee wrote:

>

> Dear Raja Ji

> Jaya Siyaa Raam

> Sorry, I did not understand your equation correctly, is it like

this?

> ie in our case example of Om Hari Mantra

> source House = #words = 2 (the 2H) and

> destination house = # letters = 3 (3H)

> Mantra Devta is Vishnu or Shri Hari and

> He'd be in Deva Sthaan or house #4 (the house No = difference

between

> the number of the source House and the destination House (2-3 = -1)

> plus the destination House (-1 + 3 = 2)) strengthening the 3rd

house.

> How?

>

> I could not follow this, coiuld you make it more clear, please?

> With regards

> Sushma

>

>

>

>

> , " jk.dasgupta "

> <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes, you are right. That is the way I also have been taught. That

> is where

> > the mantra devata sits and gives result of that house.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Jk

> >

> >

> >

> > On Behalf Of Raja

> > Friday, January 02, 2009 1:26 PM

> >

> > Re: swaha

> >

> >

> > no no, devstan is a house of dev whose mantra is being chanted

in

> the

> > horoscope. i.e in our case example of om hari mantra source =

> #words

> > = 2 and destination house = # letters = 3, mantra devta is

vishnu

> or

> > Shri HAri and he'd be in devsthan or house #4 (the house from

the

> > destination house i.e 2 to 3 .. difference between the source

> house

> > and destination house plus the destination house) strengthening

> 3rd

> > house.

> >

>

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Thanks Raja Ji

Sushma

 

, " Raja " <desi.raja wrote:

>

> devsthan was derived by => 3(dest) - 2(source) = 1(result) + 3

(dest)

> = 4

>

>

> , " bhagvatjee "

> <bhagvatjee@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Raja Ji

> > Jaya Siyaa Raam

> > Sorry, I did not understand your equation correctly, is it like

> this?

> > ie in our case example of Om Hari Mantra

> > source House = #words = 2 (the 2H) and

> > destination house = # letters = 3 (3H)

> > Mantra Devta is Vishnu or Shri Hari and

> > He'd be in Deva Sthaan or house #4 (the house No = difference

> between

> > the number of the source House and the destination House (2-3 = -

1)

> > plus the destination House (-1 + 3 = 2)) strengthening the 3rd

> house.

> > How?

> >

> > I could not follow this, coiuld you make it more clear, please?

> > With regards

> > Sushma

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes, you are right. That is the way I also have been taught.

That

> > is where

> > > the mantra devata sits and gives result of that house.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Jk

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Behalf Of Raja

> > > Friday, January 02, 2009 1:26 PM

> > >

> > > Re: swaha

> > >

> > >

> > > no no, devstan is a house of dev whose mantra is being

chanted

> in

> > the

> > > horoscope. i.e in our case example of om hari mantra source =

> > #words

> > > = 2 and destination house = # letters = 3, mantra devta is

> vishnu

> > or

> > > Shri HAri and he'd be in devsthan or house #4 (the house from

> the

> > > destination house i.e 2 to 3 .. difference between the source

> > house

> > > and destination house plus the destination house)

strengthening

> > 3rd

> > > house.

> > >

> >

>

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