Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 yes RRji- offer you saffron+honey if you like :-)) regards niket , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Dear Niketji, > > Indeed it is perhaps not a black or white reality that we all live > in! Scientists have known and accepted that for hundreds of years > because why else would scientific theories and dogmas be tossed so > readily if you truly follow the history and practice of science and > scientists over the years! > > Each scientist has vehemently and passionately maintained that S/he > alone is right in figuring out the secrets of the Creation but very > quickly tossed aside when the evidence to the contrary was > overwhelming and " obvious " . > > Without mincing words -- Occultism has been more forgiving! > Historically!! > > And way more subjective, as DISCIPLINES go... > > AND it is not at all surprising because scientists must rely on > physical senses, supported by observations of a physical nature! > Their job is EASY! > > Occultists on the other hand must rely on observations of a mental > nature! The instrument is MIND and not every instrument is properly > stabilized or duly calibrated. There are no ISO standards for the > MIND! WORSE: There are SEVERAL and mutually conflicting and > incongruent... > > > > , " astroiniket " > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > No Raja - i am not disagree with you nor with brother JK - i am not > > disagree with any one actualy. > > > > all we have our own belief - and own god or godess. NO discussion > on > > Bhagwan - i am not able to comment on almighty - who is ? how is? > > > > i strongly belief in " The one " " The only one " who is creator of > > COSMOS not only of this Universe. One who does not need any thing - > > one who is beyond everything - one who is not genderbound - one who > > comes in form as we do imagination. > > > > leave it brother almighty is not the subject - almighty is aove > > subject. > > > > > > happy new year > > > > > > rgds > > niket > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > > > well, Vishnu is the source of jagatnirmata, shrishti rachyeta > > brahma > > > emerged from Vishnu Nabhi. Vishnu himself merges with Shiva 'the > > > svayambhu' who was a stambha of fire from whom vishnu emerged. > > > > > > all the other deities are the amsha deities of the main trinity. > > > > > > Don't know about Allah or jesus or joseph or Jehovah, my rule of > > > thumb when it comes to religion is any religion other than mine > is > > > Myth and i am sure " they " think same. That is just my belief and > > you > > > are welcomed to disagree to it. > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR > > > KRISHANA - > > > > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ?? > > > > > > > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR > IN > > > > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS > > LIKE > > > > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS - > > > > > > > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES NOT > > NEED > > > > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM THAT > > > RUPA. > > > > > > > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE > LORD > > > > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE > MOOL > > > > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH > > KRISHN > > > > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING. > > > > > > > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF > > > ENJOYMENT > > > > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS. > > > > > > > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS > MORE > > > > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME - > > > FORMS - > > > > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT SHIV > > > ALSO > > > > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR > > > KARTIKEY > > > > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER > > BUDHA > > > > ALL ARE BHAGWAN . > > > > > > > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS > ONE - > > > > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE " > > > > > > > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD. > > > > > > > > RGDS > > > > nIKET > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who > will > > be > > > > ready to > > > > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the > cabinet > > of > > > > Gods & > > > > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other departments, > > as > > > > per your > > > > > requirement. > > > > > > > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the > > whole > > > > body. > > > > > > > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be > recited > > > > without any > > > > > hitch. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > bhagvatjee > > > > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one. > > > > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which > can > > be > > > > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those > Deities > > > > whose > > > > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as > > you > > > > said, > > > > > they might not be intersted in helping us. > > > > > > > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to > please > > to > > > > get > > > > > some definite results? > > > > > With regards > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. > Else > > > there > > > > > are some > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. > > Else > > > it > > > > can > > > > > creat > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in > > > > protecting > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the > > > > placement > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he > > > started > > > > > chanting > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because > > any > > > > house > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house > which > > > is > > > > jala > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what > > > happened. > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. > > None > > > > will > > > > > do it > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th > planet > > of > > > > the > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in > > Navamsa. > > > > Also, > > > > > If any > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got > power > > to > > > > make > > > > > one > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will > > > help. > > > > Ista > > > > > is > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if > > > there > > > > is > > > > > no > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes > which > > > > diety are > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will > be > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari- > > > mantra, > > > > > one lost > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a > > > mantra > > > > for > > > > > a > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas > > > only. > > > > Pt. > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has > > brought > > > > out in > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, > > > unless > > > > you > > > > > get > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on > > > mantra, > > > > > different > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular > > > mantra > > > > and > > > > > post it > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Niketji, Thanks for your kind gift but ONE of what you offer might make me sick, while the other might try to change my religion! What was wrong with just Dhanyavaad or Namaskaar or even Shukriya ;- )? Simple, commonplace, neutral and yet so POIGNANT, bu not divisive! As I said elsewhere -- The world is not ready for Messihas and Miracles and nor are the Messihas READY! Rohiniranjan , " astroiniket " <nakshtraniket wrote: > > yes RRji- offer you saffron+honey if you like :-)) > > regards > niket > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Niketji, > > > > Indeed it is perhaps not a black or white reality that we all live > > in! Scientists have known and accepted that for hundreds of years > > because why else would scientific theories and dogmas be tossed so > > readily if you truly follow the history and practice of science and > > scientists over the years! > > > > Each scientist has vehemently and passionately maintained that S/he > > alone is right in figuring out the secrets of the Creation but very > > quickly tossed aside when the evidence to the contrary was > > overwhelming and " obvious " . > > > > Without mincing words -- Occultism has been more forgiving! > > Historically!! > > > > And way more subjective, as DISCIPLINES go... > > > > AND it is not at all surprising because scientists must rely on > > physical senses, supported by observations of a physical nature! > > Their job is EASY! > > > > Occultists on the other hand must rely on observations of a mental > > nature! The instrument is MIND and not every instrument is properly > > stabilized or duly calibrated. There are no ISO standards for the > > MIND! WORSE: There are SEVERAL and mutually conflicting and > > incongruent... > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > No Raja - i am not disagree with you nor with brother JK - i am > not > > > disagree with any one actualy. > > > > > > all we have our own belief - and own god or godess. NO discussion > > on > > > Bhagwan - i am not able to comment on almighty - who is ? how is? > > > > > > i strongly belief in " The one " " The only one " who is creator of > > > COSMOS not only of this Universe. One who does not need any > thing - > > > one who is beyond everything - one who is not genderbound - one > who > > > comes in form as we do imagination. > > > > > > leave it brother almighty is not the subject - almighty is aove > > > subject. > > > > > > > > > happy new year > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > well, Vishnu is the source of jagatnirmata, shrishti rachyeta > > > brahma > > > > emerged from Vishnu Nabhi. Vishnu himself merges with > Shiva 'the > > > > svayambhu' who was a stambha of fire from whom vishnu emerged. > > > > > > > > all the other deities are the amsha deities of the main > trinity. > > > > > > > > Don't know about Allah or jesus or joseph or Jehovah, my rule > of > > > > thumb when it comes to religion is any religion other than mine > > is > > > > Myth and i am sure " they " think same. That is just my belief > and > > > you > > > > are welcomed to disagree to it. > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR > > > > KRISHANA - > > > > > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ?? > > > > > > > > > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR > > IN > > > > > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS > > > LIKE > > > > > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS - > > > > > > > > > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES > NOT > > > NEED > > > > > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM > THAT > > > > RUPA. > > > > > > > > > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE > > LORD > > > > > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE > > MOOL > > > > > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH > > > KRISHN > > > > > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING. > > > > > > > > > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF > > > > ENJOYMENT > > > > > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS. > > > > > > > > > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS > > MORE > > > > > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME - > > > > > FORMS - > > > > > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT > SHIV > > > > ALSO > > > > > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR > > > > KARTIKEY > > > > > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER > > > BUDHA > > > > > ALL ARE BHAGWAN . > > > > > > > > > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS > > ONE - > > > > > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE " > > > > > > > > > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD. > > > > > > > > > > RGDS > > > > > nIKET > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who > > will > > > be > > > > > ready to > > > > > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the > > cabinet > > > of > > > > > Gods & > > > > > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other > departments, > > > as > > > > > per your > > > > > > requirement. > > > > > > > > > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the > > > whole > > > > > body. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be > > recited > > > > > without any > > > > > > hitch. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > bhagvatjee > > > > > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one. > > > > > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which > > can > > > be > > > > > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those > > Deities > > > > > whose > > > > > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, > as > > > you > > > > > said, > > > > > > they might not be intersted in helping us. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to > > please > > > to > > > > > get > > > > > > some definite results? > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. > > Else > > > > there > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. > > > Else > > > > it > > > > > can > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in > > > > > protecting > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the > > > > > placement > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and > he > > > > started > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? > because > > > any > > > > > house > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house > > which > > > > is > > > > > jala > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what > > > > happened. > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from > shatrus. > > > None > > > > > will > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th > > planet > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in > > > Navamsa. > > > > > Also, > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got > > power > > > to > > > > > make > > > > > > one > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who > will > > > > help. > > > > > Ista > > > > > > is > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord > (if > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > no > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes > > which > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish > will > > be > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting > ari- > > > > mantra, > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting > a > > > > mantra > > > > > for > > > > > > a > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in > paramparas > > > > only. > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has > > > brought > > > > > out in > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha > mantras, > > > > unless > > > > > you > > > > > > get > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on > > > > mantra, > > > > > > different > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any > perticular > > > > mantra > > > > > and > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 No - RRJI - saffron + Honey as per ayurveda make Human sickness free - this is best what we say antioxident. and a lot of thanks - shukrya - dhanyawad. it all needed to others not my owns - i think you are my own. like big brother. so what is need - except best pray for your health, prosperity and knowledge, and saffron + Honey is symbol of all these. kind regards Niket , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Niketji, > > Thanks for your kind gift but ONE of what you offer might make me > sick, while the other might try to change my religion! > > What was wrong with just Dhanyavaad or Namaskaar or even Shukriya ;- > )? Simple, commonplace, neutral and yet so POIGNANT, bu not divisive! > > As I said elsewhere -- The world is not ready for Messihas and > Miracles and nor are the Messihas READY! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " astroiniket " > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > yes RRji- offer you saffron+honey if you like :-)) > > > > regards > > niket > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Niketji, > > > > > > Indeed it is perhaps not a black or white reality that we all > live > > > in! Scientists have known and accepted that for hundreds of years > > > because why else would scientific theories and dogmas be tossed > so > > > readily if you truly follow the history and practice of science > and > > > scientists over the years! > > > > > > Each scientist has vehemently and passionately maintained that > S/he > > > alone is right in figuring out the secrets of the Creation but > very > > > quickly tossed aside when the evidence to the contrary was > > > overwhelming and " obvious " . > > > > > > Without mincing words -- Occultism has been more forgiving! > > > Historically!! > > > > > > And way more subjective, as DISCIPLINES go... > > > > > > AND it is not at all surprising because scientists must rely on > > > physical senses, supported by observations of a physical nature! > > > Their job is EASY! > > > > > > Occultists on the other hand must rely on observations of a > mental > > > nature! The instrument is MIND and not every instrument is > properly > > > stabilized or duly calibrated. There are no ISO standards for the > > > MIND! WORSE: There are SEVERAL and mutually conflicting and > > > incongruent... > > > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > No Raja - i am not disagree with you nor with brother JK - i am > > not > > > > disagree with any one actualy. > > > > > > > > all we have our own belief - and own god or godess. NO > discussion > > > on > > > > Bhagwan - i am not able to comment on almighty - who is ? how > is? > > > > > > > > i strongly belief in " The one " " The only one " who is creator of > > > > COSMOS not only of this Universe. One who does not need any > > thing - > > > > one who is beyond everything - one who is not genderbound - one > > who > > > > comes in form as we do imagination. > > > > > > > > leave it brother almighty is not the subject - almighty is aove > > > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > happy new year > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > well, Vishnu is the source of jagatnirmata, shrishti rachyeta > > > > brahma > > > > > emerged from Vishnu Nabhi. Vishnu himself merges with > > Shiva 'the > > > > > svayambhu' who was a stambha of fire from whom vishnu > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > all the other deities are the amsha deities of the main > > trinity. > > > > > > > > > > Don't know about Allah or jesus or joseph or Jehovah, my rule > > of > > > > > thumb when it comes to religion is any religion other than > mine > > > is > > > > > Myth and i am sure " they " think same. That is just my belief > > and > > > > you > > > > > are welcomed to disagree to it. > > > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR > > > > > KRISHANA - > > > > > > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA > OR > > > IN > > > > > > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN > JESSUS > > > > LIKE > > > > > > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS - > > > > > > > > > > > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES > > NOT > > > > NEED > > > > > > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM > > THAT > > > > > RUPA. > > > > > > > > > > > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE > > > LORD > > > > > > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE > THE > > > MOOL > > > > > > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH > > > > KRISHN > > > > > > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING. > > > > > > > > > > > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF > > > > > ENJOYMENT > > > > > > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD > IS > > > MORE > > > > > > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT > NAME - > > > > > > > FORMS - > > > > > > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT > > SHIV > > > > > ALSO > > > > > > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR > > > > > KARTIKEY > > > > > > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS > MAHAVEER > > > > BUDHA > > > > > > ALL ARE BHAGWAN . > > > > > > > > > > > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS > > > ONE - > > > > > > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE " > > > > > > > > > > > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD. > > > > > > > > > > > > RGDS > > > > > > nIKET > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > ready to > > > > > > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the > > > cabinet > > > > of > > > > > > Gods & > > > > > > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other > > departments, > > > > as > > > > > > per your > > > > > > > requirement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is > the > > > > whole > > > > > > body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be > > > recited > > > > > > without any > > > > > > > hitch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > bhagvatjee > > > > > > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji > > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one. > > > > > > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras > which > > > can > > > > be > > > > > > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those > > > Deities > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting > because, > > as > > > > you > > > > > > said, > > > > > > > they might not be intersted in helping us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to > > > please > > > > to > > > > > > get > > > > > > > some definite results? > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. > > > Else > > > > > there > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the > native. > > > > Else > > > > > it > > > > > > can > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested > in > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon > the > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and > > he > > > > > started > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? > > because > > > > any > > > > > > house > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand > what > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from > > shatrus. > > > > None > > > > > > will > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th > > > planet > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in > > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got > > > power > > > > to > > > > > > make > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who > > will > > > > > help. > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord > > (if > > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes > > > which > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish > > will > > > be > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting > > ari- > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while > selecting > > a > > > > > mantra > > > > > > for > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in > > paramparas > > > > > only. > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has > > > > brought > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha > > mantras, > > > > > unless > > > > > > you > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up > on > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any > > perticular > > > > > mantra > > > > > > and > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Niketji, Please do not make such wild claims on public fora that " honey and saffron " are antioxidants! This is a serious matter, please be responsible and in that vein do you have any reputable evidence that these two are? Your good wishes and brotherhood are gratefully acknowledged but what else could two human beings be if they were not siblings? Kind of a " moot " point as far as I am concerned! We ALL are siblings ;-) RR , " astroiniket " <nakshtraniket wrote: > > No - RRJI - saffron + Honey as per ayurveda make Human sickness free - > this is best what we say antioxident. > > and a lot of thanks - shukrya - dhanyawad. it all needed to others > not my owns - i think you are my own. like big brother. so what is > need - except best pray for your health, prosperity and knowledge, > and saffron + Honey is symbol of all these. > > > kind regards > Niket > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Niketji, > > > > Thanks for your kind gift but ONE of what you offer might make me > > sick, while the other might try to change my religion! > > > > What was wrong with just Dhanyavaad or Namaskaar or even Shukriya ;- > > )? Simple, commonplace, neutral and yet so POIGNANT, bu not > divisive! > > > > As I said elsewhere -- The world is not ready for Messihas and > > Miracles and nor are the Messihas READY! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " astroiniket " > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > yes RRji- offer you saffron+honey if you like :-)) > > > > > > regards > > > niket > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Niketji, > > > > > > > > Indeed it is perhaps not a black or white reality that we all > > live > > > > in! Scientists have known and accepted that for hundreds of > years > > > > because why else would scientific theories and dogmas be tossed > > so > > > > readily if you truly follow the history and practice of science > > and > > > > scientists over the years! > > > > > > > > Each scientist has vehemently and passionately maintained that > > S/he > > > > alone is right in figuring out the secrets of the Creation but > > very > > > > quickly tossed aside when the evidence to the contrary was > > > > overwhelming and " obvious " . > > > > > > > > Without mincing words -- Occultism has been more forgiving! > > > > Historically!! > > > > > > > > And way more subjective, as DISCIPLINES go... > > > > > > > > AND it is not at all surprising because scientists must rely on > > > > physical senses, supported by observations of a physical > nature! > > > > Their job is EASY! > > > > > > > > Occultists on the other hand must rely on observations of a > > mental > > > > nature! The instrument is MIND and not every instrument is > > properly > > > > stabilized or duly calibrated. There are no ISO standards for > the > > > > MIND! WORSE: There are SEVERAL and mutually conflicting and > > > > incongruent... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No Raja - i am not disagree with you nor with brother JK - i > am > > > not > > > > > disagree with any one actualy. > > > > > > > > > > all we have our own belief - and own god or godess. NO > > discussion > > > > on > > > > > Bhagwan - i am not able to comment on almighty - who is ? how > > is? > > > > > > > > > > i strongly belief in " The one " " The only one " who is creator > of > > > > > COSMOS not only of this Universe. One who does not need any > > > thing - > > > > > one who is beyond everything - one who is not genderbound - > one > > > who > > > > > comes in form as we do imagination. > > > > > > > > > > leave it brother almighty is not the subject - almighty is > aove > > > > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy new year > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > well, Vishnu is the source of jagatnirmata, shrishti > rachyeta > > > > > brahma > > > > > > emerged from Vishnu Nabhi. Vishnu himself merges with > > > Shiva 'the > > > > > > svayambhu' who was a stambha of fire from whom vishnu > > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > all the other deities are the amsha deities of the main > > > trinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know about Allah or jesus or joseph or Jehovah, my > rule > > > of > > > > > > thumb when it comes to religion is any religion other than > > mine > > > > is > > > > > > Myth and i am sure " they " think same. That is just my > belief > > > and > > > > > you > > > > > > are welcomed to disagree to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA > OR > > > > > > KRISHANA - > > > > > > > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR > SHIVA > > OR > > > > IN > > > > > > > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN > > JESSUS > > > > > LIKE > > > > > > > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE > DOES > > > NOT > > > > > NEED > > > > > > > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY > FORM > > > THAT > > > > > > RUPA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - > SEE > > > > LORD > > > > > > > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE > > THE > > > > MOOL > > > > > > > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. > BOTH > > > > > KRISHN > > > > > > > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR > SELF > > > > > > ENJOYMENT > > > > > > > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD > > IS > > > > MORE > > > > > > > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT > > NAME - > > > > > > > > > FORMS - > > > > > > > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE > THAT > > > SHIV > > > > > > ALSO > > > > > > > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA > OR > > > > > > KARTIKEY > > > > > > > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS > > MAHAVEER > > > > > BUDHA > > > > > > > ALL ARE BHAGWAN . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - > IS > > > > ONE - > > > > > > > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RGDS > > > > > > > nIKET > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety > who > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > ready to > > > > > > > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the > > > > cabinet > > > > > of > > > > > > > Gods & > > > > > > > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other > > > departments, > > > > > as > > > > > > > per your > > > > > > > > requirement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is > > the > > > > > whole > > > > > > > body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be > > > > recited > > > > > > > without any > > > > > > > > hitch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > bhagvatjee > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji > > > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > > > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening > one. > > > > > > > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras > > which > > > > can > > > > > be > > > > > > > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those > > > > Deities > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting > > because, > > > as > > > > > you > > > > > > > said, > > > > > > > > they might not be intersted in helping us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to > > > > please > > > > > to > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > some definite results? > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > removed. > > > > Else > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the > > native. > > > > > Else > > > > > > it > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all > interested > > in > > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon > > the > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H > and > > > he > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? > > > because > > > > > any > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th > house > > > > which > > > > > > is > > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand > > what > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from > > > shatrus. > > > > > None > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th > > > > planet > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in > > > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has > got > > > > power > > > > > to > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from > Lagna > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who > > > will > > > > > > help. > > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th > lord > > > (if > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet > denotes > > > > which > > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by > reciting > > > ari- > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while > > selecting > > > a > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in > > > paramparas > > > > > > only. > > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " > has > > > > > brought > > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha > > > mantras, > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write > up > > on > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any > > > perticular > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Shree RRji, pleas read ayurveda books like - charak sahinta, sushrut sahinta - dhanwantari vidhana - and please read chemical analysis of saffron and honey - in all ayurveda med which are for kayakalpa; both used as main Ghatak. in this nature everything is amrit, and every thing is poison - depend on use - how and when, we use - the quantity is also a major factor in that. what i told ; i told symbolic - leave skin on hair. do not peel it off pls. yes Vasudhev Kutumbkam - we all are kid of almighty - We ALL are siblings ;-) no doubt. kind regards Niket , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Niketji, > > Please do not make such wild claims on public fora that " honey and > saffron " are antioxidants! This is a serious matter, please be > responsible and in that vein do you have any reputable evidence that > these two are? > > Your good wishes and brotherhood are gratefully acknowledged but what > else could two human beings be if they were not siblings? Kind of > a " moot " point as far as I am concerned! We ALL are siblings ;-) > > > RR > > , " astroiniket " > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > No - RRJI - saffron + Honey as per ayurveda make Human sickness > free - > > this is best what we say antioxident. > > > > and a lot of thanks - shukrya - dhanyawad. it all needed to others > > not my owns - i think you are my own. like big brother. so what is > > need - except best pray for your health, prosperity and knowledge, > > and saffron + Honey is symbol of all these. > > > > > > kind regards > > Niket > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Niketji, > > > > > > Thanks for your kind gift but ONE of what you offer might make me > > > sick, while the other might try to change my religion! > > > > > > What was wrong with just Dhanyavaad or Namaskaar or even > Shukriya ;- > > > )? Simple, commonplace, neutral and yet so POIGNANT, bu not > > divisive! > > > > > > As I said elsewhere -- The world is not ready for Messihas and > > > Miracles and nor are the Messihas READY! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > yes RRji- offer you saffron+honey if you like :-)) > > > > > > > > regards > > > > niket > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Niketji, > > > > > > > > > > Indeed it is perhaps not a black or white reality that we all > > > live > > > > > in! Scientists have known and accepted that for hundreds of > > years > > > > > because why else would scientific theories and dogmas be > tossed > > > so > > > > > readily if you truly follow the history and practice of > science > > > and > > > > > scientists over the years! > > > > > > > > > > Each scientist has vehemently and passionately maintained > that > > > S/he > > > > > alone is right in figuring out the secrets of the Creation > but > > > very > > > > > quickly tossed aside when the evidence to the contrary was > > > > > overwhelming and " obvious " . > > > > > > > > > > Without mincing words -- Occultism has been more forgiving! > > > > > Historically!! > > > > > > > > > > And way more subjective, as DISCIPLINES go... > > > > > > > > > > AND it is not at all surprising because scientists must rely > on > > > > > physical senses, supported by observations of a physical > > nature! > > > > > Their job is EASY! > > > > > > > > > > Occultists on the other hand must rely on observations of a > > > mental > > > > > nature! The instrument is MIND and not every instrument is > > > properly > > > > > stabilized or duly calibrated. There are no ISO standards for > > the > > > > > MIND! WORSE: There are SEVERAL and mutually conflicting and > > > > > incongruent... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No Raja - i am not disagree with you nor with brother JK - > i > > am > > > > not > > > > > > disagree with any one actualy. > > > > > > > > > > > > all we have our own belief - and own god or godess. NO > > > discussion > > > > > on > > > > > > Bhagwan - i am not able to comment on almighty - who is ? > how > > > is? > > > > > > > > > > > > i strongly belief in " The one " " The only one " who is > creator > > of > > > > > > COSMOS not only of this Universe. One who does not need any > > > > thing - > > > > > > one who is beyond everything - one who is not genderbound - > > one > > > > who > > > > > > comes in form as we do imagination. > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it brother almighty is not the subject - almighty is > > aove > > > > > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy new year > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > <desi.raja@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, Vishnu is the source of jagatnirmata, shrishti > > rachyeta > > > > > > brahma > > > > > > > emerged from Vishnu Nabhi. Vishnu himself merges with > > > > Shiva 'the > > > > > > > svayambhu' who was a stambha of fire from whom vishnu > > > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all the other deities are the amsha deities of the main > > > > trinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know about Allah or jesus or joseph or Jehovah, my > > rule > > > > of > > > > > > > thumb when it comes to religion is any religion other > than > > > mine > > > > > is > > > > > > > Myth and i am sure " they " think same. That is just my > > belief > > > > and > > > > > > you > > > > > > > are welcomed to disagree to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA > > OR > > > > > > > KRISHANA - > > > > > > > > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR > > SHIVA > > > OR > > > > > IN > > > > > > > > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN > > > JESSUS > > > > > > LIKE > > > > > > > > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE > > DOES > > > > NOT > > > > > > NEED > > > > > > > > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY > > FORM > > > > THAT > > > > > > > RUPA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - > > SEE > > > > > LORD > > > > > > > > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW > SEE > > > THE > > > > > MOOL > > > > > > > > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. > > BOTH > > > > > > KRISHN > > > > > > > > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR > > SELF > > > > > > > ENJOYMENT > > > > > > > > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF > WORD > > > IS > > > > > MORE > > > > > > > > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT > > > NAME - > > > > > > > > > > > FORMS - > > > > > > > > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE > > THAT > > > > SHIV > > > > > > > ALSO > > > > > > > > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE > GANESHA > > OR > > > > > > > KARTIKEY > > > > > > > > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS > > > MAHAVEER > > > > > > BUDHA > > > > > > > > ALL ARE BHAGWAN . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - > > > IS > > > > > ONE - > > > > > > > > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RGDS > > > > > > > > nIKET > > > > > > > > --- In , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety > > who > > > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > ready to > > > > > > > > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in > the > > > > > cabinet > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Gods & > > > > > > > > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other > > > > departments, > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > per your > > > > > > > > > requirement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu > is > > > the > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can > be > > > > > recited > > > > > > > > without any > > > > > > > > > hitch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > bhagvatjee > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji > > > > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > > > > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening > > one. > > > > > > > > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras > > > which > > > > > can > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify > those > > > > > Deities > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting > > > because, > > > > as > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > said, > > > > > > > > > they might not be intersted in helping us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like > to > > > > > please > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > some definite results? > > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > > removed. > > > > > Else > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the > > > native. > > > > > > Else > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all > > interested > > > in > > > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends > upon > > > the > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H > > and > > > > he > > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? > > > > because > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th > > house > > > > > which > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand > > > what > > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from > > > > shatrus. > > > > > > None > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the > 6th > > > > > planet > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka > in > > > > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has > > got > > > > > power > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from > > Lagna > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista > who > > > > will > > > > > > > help. > > > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th > > lord > > > > (if > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet > > denotes > > > > > which > > > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your > wish > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by > > reciting > > > > ari- > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while > > > selecting > > > > a > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in > > > > paramparas > > > > > > > only. > > > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " > > has > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha > > > > mantras, > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write > > up > > > on > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any > > > > perticular > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear Niket, You may call it anything. It is that ultimate power which has no form. Beacause I am an ordinery person and cannot percieve that power without form - I am calling it Vishnu. Regards Jk On Behalf Of astroiniket Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:23 PM Re: swaha jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR KRISHANA - OR SURYA OR GANESHA ?? WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR IN SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS LIKE THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS - IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES NOT NEED ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM THAT RUPA. I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE LORD KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE MOOL MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH KRISHN VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING. MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF ENJOYMENT HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS. GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS MORE THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME - FORMS - I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT SHIV ALSO BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR KARTIKEY OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER BUDHA ALL ARE BHAGWAN . IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS ONE - " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE " PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD. RGDS nIKET , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who will be ready to > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the cabinet of Gods & > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other departments, as per your > requirement. > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the whole body. > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be recited without any > hitch. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of bhagvatjee > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM > > Re: swaha > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one. > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which can be > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those Deities whose > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as you said, > they might not be intersted in helping us. > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to please to get > some definite results? > With regards > Sushma > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else there > are some > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else it can > creat > > havoc. > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in protecting > you? Lord > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the placement > of Mars in > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he started > chanting > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any house > is maraka > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is jala > tattwa. > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what happened. > Either agni > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None will > do it > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of the > 6th lord > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. Also, > If any > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to make > one > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help. Ista > is > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there is > no > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which diety are > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be > fullfilled by > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari-mantra, > one lost > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a mantra for > a > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only. Pt. > Sanjay > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought out in > clarity. > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, unless you > get > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on mantra, > different > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular mantra and > post it > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Hare Rama - Hare Krishna, brother jk - you are right - my self also called him by so many names and do worship in all forms. rgds niket , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Dear Niket, > > You may call it anything. It is that ultimate power which has no form. > Beacause I am an ordinery person and cannot percieve that power without > form - I am calling it Vishnu. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of astroiniket > Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:23 PM > > Re: swaha > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR KRISHANA - > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ?? > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR IN > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS LIKE > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS - > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES NOT NEED > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM THAT RUPA. > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE LORD > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE MOOL > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH KRISHN > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING. > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF ENJOYMENT > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS. > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS MORE > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME - FORMS - > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT SHIV ALSO > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR KARTIKEY > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER BUDHA > ALL ARE BHAGWAN . > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS ONE - > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE " > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD. > > RGDS > nIKET > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who will be > ready to > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the cabinet of > Gods & > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other departments, as > per your > > requirement. > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the whole > body. > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be recited > without any > > hitch. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of bhagvatjee > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one. > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which can be > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those Deities > whose > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as you > said, > > they might not be intersted in helping us. > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to please to > get > > some definite results? > > With regards > > Sushma > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else there > > are some > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else it > can > > creat > > > havoc. > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in > protecting > > you? Lord > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the > placement > > of Mars in > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he started > > chanting > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any > house > > is maraka > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is > jala > > tattwa. > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what happened. > > Either agni > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None > will > > do it > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of > the > > 6th lord > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. > Also, > > If any > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to > make > > one > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help. > Ista > > is > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there > is > > no > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which > diety are > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be > > fullfilled by > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari- mantra, > > one lost > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a mantra > for > > a > > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only. > Pt. > > Sanjay > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought > out in > > clarity. > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, unless > you > > get > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on mantra, > > different > > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular mantra > and > > post it > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 :-) Why to worship Him in so many forms and make Him uncomfortable? He is already sitting ready in the form I called Him yesterday - and today if I change the form, He has to again undress, put up a new dress and then come to me. Tomorrow again I will change the form and again He has to run. Why to make Him run so much? Regards Jk On Behalf Of astroiniket Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:17 PM Re: swaha Hare Rama - Hare Krishna, brother jk - you are right - my self also called him by so many names and do worship in all forms. rgds niket , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Dear Niket, > > You may call it anything. It is that ultimate power which has no form. > Beacause I am an ordinery person and cannot percieve that power without > form - I am calling it Vishnu. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of astroiniket > Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:23 PM > > Re: swaha > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR KRISHANA - > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ?? > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR IN > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS LIKE > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS - > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES NOT NEED > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM THAT RUPA. > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE LORD > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE MOOL > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH KRISHN > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING. > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF ENJOYMENT > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS. > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS MORE > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME - FORMS - > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT SHIV ALSO > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR KARTIKEY > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER BUDHA > ALL ARE BHAGWAN . > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS ONE - > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE " > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD. > > RGDS > nIKET > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who will be > ready to > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the cabinet of > Gods & > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other departments, as > per your > > requirement. > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the whole > body. > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be recited > without any > > hitch. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of bhagvatjee > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one. > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which can be > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those Deities > whose > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as you > said, > > they might not be intersted in helping us. > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to please to > get > > some definite results? > > With regards > > Sushma > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else there > > are some > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else it > can > > creat > > > havoc. > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in > protecting > > you? Lord > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the > placement > > of Mars in > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he started > > chanting > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any > house > > is maraka > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is > jala > > tattwa. > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what happened. > > Either agni > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None > will > > do it > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of > the > > 6th lord > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. > Also, > > If any > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to > make > > one > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help. > Ista > > is > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there > is > > no > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which > diety are > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be > > fullfilled by > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari- mantra, > > one lost > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a mantra > for > > a > > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only. > Pt. > > Sanjay > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought > out in > > clarity. > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, unless > you > > get > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on mantra, > > different > > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular mantra > and > > post it > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 :-) becoz he also do same thing with us ; so i do with him - old relation you know. Niket , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > :-) > > Why to worship Him in so many forms and make Him uncomfortable? He is > already sitting ready in the form I called Him yesterday - and today if I > change the form, He has to again undress, put up a new dress and then come > to me. Tomorrow again I will change the form and again He has to run. > > Why to make Him run so much? > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of astroiniket > Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:17 PM > > Re: swaha > > > Hare Rama - Hare Krishna, > brother jk - you are right - my self also called him by so many names > and do worship in all forms. > > rgds > niket > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Dear Niket, > > > > You may call it anything. It is that ultimate power which has no > form. > > Beacause I am an ordinery person and cannot percieve that power > without > > form - I am calling it Vishnu. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of astroiniket > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:23 PM > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR > KRISHANA - > > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ?? > > > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR IN > > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS LIKE > > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS - > > > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES NOT > NEED > > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM THAT > RUPA. > > > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE LORD > > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE MOOL > > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH KRISHN > > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING. > > > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF > ENJOYMENT > > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS. > > > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS MORE > > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME - > FORMS - > > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT SHIV > ALSO > > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR > KARTIKEY > > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER > BUDHA > > ALL ARE BHAGWAN . > > > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS ONE - > > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE " > > > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD. > > > > RGDS > > nIKET > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who will > be > > ready to > > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the cabinet > of > > Gods & > > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other departments, as > > per your > > > requirement. > > > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the > whole > > body. > > > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be recited > > without any > > > hitch. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of bhagvatjee > > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one. > > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which can be > > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those Deities > > whose > > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as you > > said, > > > they might not be intersted in helping us. > > > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to please to > > get > > > some definite results? > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else > there > > > are some > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else > it > > can > > > creat > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in > > protecting > > > you? Lord > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the > > placement > > > of Mars in > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he > started > > > chanting > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any > > house > > > is maraka > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is > > jala > > > tattwa. > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what > happened. > > > Either agni > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None > > will > > > do it > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of > > the > > > 6th lord > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. > > Also, > > > If any > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to > > make > > > one > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help. > > Ista > > > is > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there > > is > > > no > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which > > diety are > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be > > > fullfilled by > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari- > mantra, > > > one lost > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a > mantra > > for > > > a > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only. > > Pt. > > > Sanjay > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought > > out in > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, > unless > > you > > > get > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on > mantra, > > > different > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular > mantra > > and > > > post it > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Good idea to take revenge. I will also give it a try Jk On Behalf Of astroiniket Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:41 PM Re: swaha :-) becoz he also do same thing with us ; so i do with him - old relation you know. Niket , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > :-) > > Why to worship Him in so many forms and make Him uncomfortable? He is > already sitting ready in the form I called Him yesterday - and today if I > change the form, He has to again undress, put up a new dress and then come > to me. Tomorrow again I will change the form and again He has to run. > > Why to make Him run so much? > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of astroiniket > Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:17 PM > > Re: swaha > > > Hare Rama - Hare Krishna, > brother jk - you are right - my self also called him by so many names > and do worship in all forms. > > rgds > niket > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Dear Niket, > > > > You may call it anything. It is that ultimate power which has no > form. > > Beacause I am an ordinery person and cannot percieve that power > without > > form - I am calling it Vishnu. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of astroiniket > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:23 PM > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT RAMA OR > KRISHANA - > > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ?? > > > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR SHIVA OR IN > > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR IN JESSUS LIKE > > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS - > > > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE DOES NOT > NEED > > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY FORM THAT > RUPA. > > > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN DEPTH - SEE LORD > > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW SEE THE MOOL > > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH SAME. BOTH KRISHN > > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING. > > > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR THEIR SELF > ENJOYMENT > > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS. > > > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF WORD IS MORE > > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE DIFFRENT NAME - > FORMS - > > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE THAT SHIV > ALSO > > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE GANESHA OR > KARTIKEY > > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS MAHAVEER > BUDHA > > ALL ARE BHAGWAN . > > > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON ALMIGHTY - IS ONE - > > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE " > > > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD. > > > > RGDS > > nIKET > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the diety who will > be > > ready to > > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in the cabinet > of > > Gods & > > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other departments, as > > per your > > > requirement. > > > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. Vishnu is the > whole > > body. > > > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can be recited > > without any > > > hitch. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of bhagvatjee > > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Thanks for writing this. It is really enlightening one. > > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh Mantras which can be > > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify those Deities > > whose > > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting because, as you > > said, > > > they might not be intersted in helping us. > > > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we like to please to > > get > > > some definite results? > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. Else > there > > > are some > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. Else > it > > can > > > creat > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in > > protecting > > > you? Lord > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the > > placement > > > of Mars in > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and he > started > > > chanting > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? because any > > house > > > is maraka > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house which is > > jala > > > tattwa. > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what > happened. > > > Either agni > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from shatrus. None > > will > > > do it > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th planet of > > the > > > 6th lord > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in Navamsa. > > Also, > > > If any > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got power to > > make > > > one > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna lord. > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who will help. > > Ista > > > is > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord (if there > > is > > > no > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes which > > diety are > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish will be > > > fullfilled by > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting ari- > mantra, > > > one lost > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting a > mantra > > for > > > a > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in paramparas only. > > Pt. > > > Sanjay > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has brought > > out in > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha mantras, > unless > > you > > > get > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on > mantra, > > > different > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any perticular > mantra > > and > > > post it > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Why and What for? I would rather wait for the authentic version by Dr. Deepak Chopra or Reader's Digest perhaps! (T-i-C) by the way! RR , " astroiniket " <nakshtraniket wrote: > > Shree RRji, > pleas read ayurveda books like - charak sahinta, sushrut sahinta - > dhanwantari vidhana - and please read chemical analysis of saffron > and honey - in all ayurveda med which are for kayakalpa; both used as > main Ghatak. > > in this nature everything is amrit, and every thing is poison - > depend on use - how and when, we use - the quantity is also a major > factor in that. > > what i told ; i told symbolic - leave skin on hair. do not peel it > off pls. > > yes Vasudhev Kutumbkam - we all are kid of almighty - We ALL are > siblings ;-) no doubt. > > kind regards > Niket > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Niketji, > > > > Please do not make such wild claims on public fora that " honey and > > saffron " are antioxidants! This is a serious matter, please be > > responsible and in that vein do you have any reputable evidence > that > > these two are? > > > > Your good wishes and brotherhood are gratefully acknowledged but > what > > else could two human beings be if they were not siblings? Kind of > > a " moot " point as far as I am concerned! We ALL are siblings ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > , " astroiniket " > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > No - RRJI - saffron + Honey as per ayurveda make Human sickness > > free - > > > this is best what we say antioxident. > > > > > > and a lot of thanks - shukrya - dhanyawad. it all needed to > others > > > not my owns - i think you are my own. like big brother. so what > is > > > need - except best pray for your health, prosperity and > knowledge, > > > and saffron + Honey is symbol of all these. > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Niketji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your kind gift but ONE of what you offer might make > me > > > > sick, while the other might try to change my religion! > > > > > > > > What was wrong with just Dhanyavaad or Namaskaar or even > > Shukriya ;- > > > > )? Simple, commonplace, neutral and yet so POIGNANT, bu not > > > divisive! > > > > > > > > As I said elsewhere -- The world is not ready for Messihas and > > > > Miracles and nor are the Messihas READY! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > yes RRji- offer you saffron+honey if you like :-)) > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > niket > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Niketji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed it is perhaps not a black or white reality that we > all > > > > live > > > > > > in! Scientists have known and accepted that for hundreds of > > > years > > > > > > because why else would scientific theories and dogmas be > > tossed > > > > so > > > > > > readily if you truly follow the history and practice of > > science > > > > and > > > > > > scientists over the years! > > > > > > > > > > > > Each scientist has vehemently and passionately maintained > > that > > > > S/he > > > > > > alone is right in figuring out the secrets of the Creation > > but > > > > very > > > > > > quickly tossed aside when the evidence to the contrary was > > > > > > overwhelming and " obvious " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Without mincing words -- Occultism has been more forgiving! > > > > > > Historically!! > > > > > > > > > > > > And way more subjective, as DISCIPLINES go... > > > > > > > > > > > > AND it is not at all surprising because scientists must > rely > > on > > > > > > physical senses, supported by observations of a physical > > > nature! > > > > > > Their job is EASY! > > > > > > > > > > > > Occultists on the other hand must rely on observations of a > > > > mental > > > > > > nature! The instrument is MIND and not every instrument is > > > > properly > > > > > > stabilized or duly calibrated. There are no ISO standards > for > > > the > > > > > > MIND! WORSE: There are SEVERAL and mutually conflicting and > > > > > > incongruent... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Raja - i am not disagree with you nor with brother JK - > > > i > > > am > > > > > not > > > > > > > disagree with any one actualy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all we have our own belief - and own god or godess. NO > > > > discussion > > > > > > on > > > > > > > Bhagwan - i am not able to comment on almighty - who is ? > > how > > > > is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i strongly belief in " The one " " The only one " who is > > creator > > > of > > > > > > > COSMOS not only of this Universe. One who does not need > any > > > > > thing - > > > > > > > one who is beyond everything - one who is not > genderbound - > > > one > > > > > who > > > > > > > comes in form as we do imagination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it brother almighty is not the subject - almighty > is > > > aove > > > > > > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy new year > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > > niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > <desi.raja@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, Vishnu is the source of jagatnirmata, shrishti > > > rachyeta > > > > > > > brahma > > > > > > > > emerged from Vishnu Nabhi. Vishnu himself merges with > > > > > Shiva 'the > > > > > > > > svayambhu' who was a stambha of fire from whom vishnu > > > > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all the other deities are the amsha deities of the main > > > > > trinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know about Allah or jesus or joseph or Jehovah, > my > > > rule > > > > > of > > > > > > > > thumb when it comes to religion is any religion other > > than > > > > mine > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > Myth and i am sure " they " think same. That is just my > > > belief > > > > > and > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are welcomed to disagree to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " astroiniket " > > > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jk - WHY VISHNU - WHY NOT SHIV OR SHAKTI ? WHY NOT > RAMA > > > OR > > > > > > > > KRISHANA - > > > > > > > > > OR SURYA OR GANESHA ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHO KNOW THE GOD ?? WHY ALL CANT MERGE IN GANESHA OR > > > SHIVA > > > > OR > > > > > > IN > > > > > > > > > SHAKTI ?? OR IN ALLAH OR IN MAHAVEER OR IN BUDHA OR > IN > > > > JESSUS > > > > > > > LIKE > > > > > > > > > THAT. BECOZ GEETA SAYS OR SHREEMADBHAGVAT SAYS - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IN MY OPINION THEY ALL ARE CLEARLY ONE - AND THAT ONE > > > DOES > > > > > NOT > > > > > > > NEED > > > > > > > > > ANY NAME - GENDER - BODY - BUT AS NEEDED THE ALMIGHTY > > > FORM > > > > > THAT > > > > > > > > RUPA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I FEEL NO DIFFRENCE MANTRA SHASTRA IF YOU GO IN > DEPTH - > > > SEE > > > > > > LORD > > > > > > > > > KRISHNA MOOL MANTRA :- OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - NOW > > SEE > > > > THE > > > > > > MOOL > > > > > > > > > MANTRA OF KALI - OM KLEEM KRISHNAY NAMAH - BOTH > SAME. > > > BOTH > > > > > > > KRISHN > > > > > > > > > VARNA - BOTH ULTIMATE - BOTH CAN DO ANY THING. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAYAPATI AND MAYA BOTH ARE SAME. BUT FOR NEED OR > THEIR > > > SELF > > > > > > > > ENJOYMENT > > > > > > > > > HAVE DIFFRENT DIFFRENT FORMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GOD IS NOT LIMITED IN INDIAN BOUNDARIES AND REAST OF > > WORD > > > > IS > > > > > > MORE > > > > > > > > > THEN 90% OF INDIA. AND IN ALL CULTURE GOD HAVE > DIFFRENT > > > > NAME - > > > > > > > > > > > > > FORMS - > > > > > > > > > I AGREE THAT LORD VISHNU IS BHAGWAN - BUT I AM AGREE > > > THAT > > > > > SHIV > > > > > > > > ALSO > > > > > > > > > BHAGWAN AND SHAKTI ALSO BHAGWAN ALL FROMS MAY BE > > GANESHA > > > OR > > > > > > > > KARTIKEY > > > > > > > > > OR EVEN SHANI OR SURYA ALL ARE BHAGWAN - SAME JESSUS > > > > MAHAVEER > > > > > > > BUDHA > > > > > > > > > ALL ARE BHAGWAN . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IT DEPENDS ON US WHAT FORM WE ACCEPT - NOT ON > ALMIGHTY - > > > > > IS > > > > > > ONE - > > > > > > > > > " THE ONE AND ONLY ONE " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLS.....DO NOT FEEL BAD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RGDS > > > > > > > > > nIKET > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have to learn astrology for identifying the > diety > > > who > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > ready to > > > > > > > > > > oblige you :-). That diety is well known to you in > > the > > > > > > cabinet > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Gods & > > > > > > > > > > Godesses. Later the same will guide you to other > > > > > departments, > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > per your > > > > > > > > > > requirement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Various dieties ultimately merge with Vishnu. > Vishnu > > is > > > > the > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have already listed in general, which mantras can > > be > > > > > > recited > > > > > > > > > without any > > > > > > > > > > hitch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf > Of > > > > > > bhagvatjee > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dasgupta Ji > > > > > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for writing this. It is really > enlightening > > > one. > > > > > > > > > > Now can we make a list of of those Prasiddh > Mantras > > > > which > > > > > > can > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > recited without any hitch? And can we idedntify > > those > > > > > > Deities > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > Mantras should be thought twice before reciting > > > > because, > > > > > as > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > said, > > > > > > > > > > they might not be intersted in helping us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any way to please any Deity whome we > like > > to > > > > > > please > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > some definite results? > > > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > > > removed. > > > > > > Else > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the > > > > native. > > > > > > > Else > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all > > > interested > > > > in > > > > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends > > upon > > > > the > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in > 5H > > > and > > > > > he > > > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. > Why? > > > > > because > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th > > > house > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can > understand > > > > what > > > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from > > > > > shatrus. > > > > > > > None > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the > > 6th > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma > Karaka > > in > > > > > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that > has > > > got > > > > > > power > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from > > > Lagna > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista > > who > > > > > will > > > > > > > > help. > > > > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th > > > lord > > > > > (if > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet > > > denotes > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your > > wish > > > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by > > > reciting > > > > > ari- > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while > > > > selecting > > > > > a > > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in > > > > > paramparas > > > > > > > > only. > > > > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in > Astrology " > > > has > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha > > > > > mantras, > > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief > write > > > up > > > > on > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any > > > > > perticular > > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear Raja Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam Sorry, I did not understand your equation correctly, is it like this? ie in our case example of Om Hari Mantra source House = #words = 2 (the 2H) and destination house = # letters = 3 (3H) Mantra Devta is Vishnu or Shri Hari and He'd be in Deva Sthaan or house #4 (the house No = difference between the number of the source House and the destination House (2-3 = -1) plus the destination House (-1 + 3 = 2)) strengthening the 3rd house. How? I could not follow this, coiuld you make it more clear, please? With regards Sushma , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Yes, you are right. That is the way I also have been taught. That is where > the mantra devata sits and gives result of that house. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > Friday, January 02, 2009 1:26 PM > > Re: swaha > > > no no, devstan is a house of dev whose mantra is being chanted in the > horoscope. i.e in our case example of om hari mantra source = #words > = 2 and destination house = # letters = 3, mantra devta is vishnu or > Shri HAri and he'd be in devsthan or house #4 (the house from the > destination house i.e 2 to 3 .. difference between the source house > and destination house plus the destination house) strengthening 3rd > house. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 devsthan was derived by => 3(dest) - 2(source) = 1(result) + 3(dest) = 4 , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee wrote: > > Dear Raja Ji > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Sorry, I did not understand your equation correctly, is it like this? > ie in our case example of Om Hari Mantra > source House = #words = 2 (the 2H) and > destination house = # letters = 3 (3H) > Mantra Devta is Vishnu or Shri Hari and > He'd be in Deva Sthaan or house #4 (the house No = difference between > the number of the source House and the destination House (2-3 = -1) > plus the destination House (-1 + 3 = 2)) strengthening the 3rd house. > How? > > I could not follow this, coiuld you make it more clear, please? > With regards > Sushma > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Yes, you are right. That is the way I also have been taught. That > is where > > the mantra devata sits and gives result of that house. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > Friday, January 02, 2009 1:26 PM > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > no no, devstan is a house of dev whose mantra is being chanted in > the > > horoscope. i.e in our case example of om hari mantra source = > #words > > = 2 and destination house = # letters = 3, mantra devta is vishnu > or > > Shri HAri and he'd be in devsthan or house #4 (the house from the > > destination house i.e 2 to 3 .. difference between the source > house > > and destination house plus the destination house) strengthening > 3rd > > house. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Thanks Raja Ji Sushma , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > devsthan was derived by => 3(dest) - 2(source) = 1(result) + 3 (dest) > = 4 > > > , " bhagvatjee " > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raja Ji > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Sorry, I did not understand your equation correctly, is it like > this? > > ie in our case example of Om Hari Mantra > > source House = #words = 2 (the 2H) and > > destination house = # letters = 3 (3H) > > Mantra Devta is Vishnu or Shri Hari and > > He'd be in Deva Sthaan or house #4 (the house No = difference > between > > the number of the source House and the destination House (2-3 = - 1) > > plus the destination House (-1 + 3 = 2)) strengthening the 3rd > house. > > How? > > > > I could not follow this, coiuld you make it more clear, please? > > With regards > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, you are right. That is the way I also have been taught. That > > is where > > > the mantra devata sits and gives result of that house. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raja > > > Friday, January 02, 2009 1:26 PM > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > no no, devstan is a house of dev whose mantra is being chanted > in > > the > > > horoscope. i.e in our case example of om hari mantra source = > > #words > > > = 2 and destination house = # letters = 3, mantra devta is > vishnu > > or > > > Shri HAri and he'd be in devsthan or house #4 (the house from > the > > > destination house i.e 2 to 3 .. difference between the source > > house > > > and destination house plus the destination house) strengthening > > 3rd > > > house. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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