Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 hi,i want to ask one question from all respected astrologers of this forum like this is not from a personal horoscope or not related to anyone.as i m interested in vedic astrology so just want to ask that in western astrology if a planet comes close to sun to some certain degrees of extent then it is said to be combusted but this is not with the mars.in case of mars it is considered in western astrology that it gains power but in vedic astrology is this the same in the case of mars.is mars gains power or looses all it's phalas for the native.example----if the mars is lagna lord and with sun and combust(within the degrees of combustion)then it looses all it's results or it give some results to some certain extent or gains more power..please put some light..thanks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Echo, Planets when come closer to Sun in certain degrees, as you mention are treated as " combusted " planets. The result as you mention about mars, is not true. However, any planet being retro, if it happens to be aspected by any natural benefic, seems to give positive results. Consider yourself looking at Sun without any eyegear in the mid-day or noon, & reconsider, if you look at Sun wearing some polaroid sunglasses. HRS Iyer in his book New technique prediction says, if a negative planet/avayogi is combusted, it gives good results in it period -subperiods.However, when retro, they become negative. There are many clauses as well. I hope learned members will put their experiences here. Thank you, . http://gauravastro.150m.com , " echo.echomike " <echo.echomike wrote: > > hi,i want to ask one question from all respected astrologers of this > forum like this is not from a personal horoscope or not related to > anyone.as i m interested in vedic astrology so just want to ask that > in western astrology if a planet comes close to sun to some certain > degrees of extent then it is said to be combusted but this is not with > the mars.in case of mars it is considered in western astrology that it > gains power but in vedic astrology is this the same in the case of > mars.is mars gains power or looses all it's phalas for the > native.example----if the mars is lagna lord and with sun and > combust(within the degrees of combustion)then it looses all it's > results or it give some results to some certain extent or gains more > power..please put some light..thanks.. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Dear Echo First understand what combustion is. In hindi it is called andha or blind. Just try this, if u blind fold urself & then start doing all ur routine activities, do u think u will be able to do it. If u r near a fire u will feel hot. When ur body is near the fire do u think u can work comfortably. The answer is no. Isn't it. Similarly if any planet is in combustion will not be able to deliver its +ve or -ve results it is supposed to do. It will only give minimal results coz of its placement.  GOD BLESS YOU WITH WARM REGARDS HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTOLOGER VAASTU CONSULTANT CELL +919867214103 (MUMBAI,INDIA) http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database ________________________________ echo.echomike <echo.echomike Saturday, 17 January, 2009 4:13:59 AM combust planets.. hi,i want to ask one question from all respected astrologers of this forum like this is not from a personal horoscope or not related to anyone.as i m interested in vedic astrology so just want to ask that in western astrology if a planet comes close to sun to some certain degrees of extent then it is said to be combusted but this is not with the mars.in case of mars it is considered in western astrology that it gains power but in vedic astrology is this the same in the case of mars.is mars gains power or looses all it's phalas for the native.example- ---if the mars is lagna lord and with sun and combust(within the degrees of combustion)then it looses all it's results or it give some results to some certain extent or gains more power..please put some light..thanks. . Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to http://in..messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Dear Friend, The principle governing proximity to sun matters.if mars is close to sun it becomes not only combust but retrogarde too depending on closeness to sun in degrees.In Tazik of course, it has different significance and makes ittesaal concept of yoga. Infact retrograde planets are considered stronger.we need also to look from shadbala point of view too in Vedic astrology to infer a planet is loosing/gaining strength. As far as results likely to come out of Naisargik strength,the planet in question scores low. If mars is loosing strength,now doubt sun will be gaining strength. vrkrishnan --- On Fri, 1/16/09, echo.echomike <echo.echomike wrote: echo.echomike <echo.echomike combust planets.. Friday, January 16, 2009, 5:43 PM hi,i want to ask one question from all respected astrologers of this forum like this is not from a personal horoscope or not related to anyone.as i m interested in vedic astrology so just want to ask that in western astrology if a planet comes close to sun to some certain degrees of extent then it is said to be combusted but this is not with the mars.in case of mars it is considered in western astrology that it gains power but in vedic astrology is this the same in the case of mars.is mars gains power or looses all it's phalas for the native.example- ---if the mars is lagna lord and with sun and combust(within the degrees of combustion)then it looses all it's results or it give some results to some certain extent or gains more power..please put some light..thanks. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Dear All, Should a combust planet be propitiated? or Sun should be given the more weight always in case of comustion? e.g.. venus combusted would probably not give any good results for marriage then what should be the remedial measures in such case. RAJA , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405 wrote: > > Dear Echo > > First understand what combustion is. In hindi it is called andha or blind. Just try this, if u blind fold urself & then start doing all ur routine activities, do u think u will be able to do it. If u r near a fire u will feel hot. When ur body is near the fire do u think u can work comfortably. The answer is no. Isn't it. > > Similarly if any planet is in combustion will not be able to deliver its +ve or -ve results it is supposed to do. It will only give minimal results coz of its placement. >  > GOD BLESS YOU > WITH WARM REGARDS > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > VAASTU CONSULTANT > CELL +919867214103 > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > ________________________________ > echo.echomike <echo.echomike > > Saturday, 17 January, 2009 4:13:59 AM > combust planets.. > > > hi,i want to ask one question from all respected astrologers of this > forum like this is not from a personal horoscope or not related to > anyone.as i m interested in vedic astrology so just want to ask that > in western astrology if a planet comes close to sun to some certain > degrees of extent then it is said to be combusted but this is not with > the mars.in case of mars it is considered in western astrology that it > gains power but in vedic astrology is this the same in the case of > mars.is mars gains power or looses all it's phalas for the > native.example- ---if the mars is lagna lord and with sun and > combust(within the degrees of combustion)then it looses all it's > results or it give some results to some certain extent or gains more > power..please put some light..thanks. . > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to http://in..messenger./ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Dear Raja, For some years (several actually!) I have been inviting people to share a chart and describe/demonstrate that combustion alone was responsible for whatever 'negative' effect they believed combustion was responsible for! I am still waiting patiently for such examples with a brief explanation from one and all as to why they think combustion <alone> was responsible for an evil effect in those nativities. I will ask the question in my next birthtime again, if necessary! The <alone> is important because if there are a bevy of other negative factors (malefic influences) the " final diagnosis " remains questionable and uncertain... Before you go ahead and worry about propitiation, ponder on the well- known adage, " If it ain't broken, why fix it? " Rohiniranjan , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > Dear All, > > Should a combust planet be propitiated? or Sun should be given the > more weight always in case of comustion? > > e.g.. venus combusted would probably not give any good results for > marriage then what should be the remedial measures in such case. > > RAJA > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " > <haresh1405@> wrote: > > > > Dear Echo > > > > First understand what combustion is. In hindi it is called andha or > blind. Just try this, if u blind fold urself & then start doing all ur > routine activities, do u think u will be able to do it. If u r near a > fire u will feel hot. When ur body is near the fire do u think u can > work comfortably. The answer is no. Isn't it. > > > > Similarly if any planet is in combustion will not be able to deliver > its +ve or -ve results it is supposed to do. It will only give minimal > results coz of its placement. > >  > > GOD BLESS YOU > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > CELL +919867214103 > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > echo.echomike <echo.echomike@> > > > > Saturday, 17 January, 2009 4:13:59 AM > > combust planets.. > > > > > > hi,i want to ask one question from all respected astrologers of this > > forum like this is not from a personal horoscope or not related to > > anyone.as i m interested in vedic astrology so just want to ask that > > in western astrology if a planet comes close to sun to some certain > > degrees of extent then it is said to be combusted but this is not with > > the mars.in case of mars it is considered in western astrology that it > > gains power but in vedic astrology is this the same in the case of > > mars.is mars gains power or looses all it's phalas for the > > native.example- ---if the mars is lagna lord and with sun and > > combust(within the degrees of combustion)then it looses all it's > > results or it give some results to some certain extent or gains more > > power..please put some light..thanks. . > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to > http://in..messenger./ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Dear RRji, What if it is broken and one wants the results related to Venus? combustion alone may not likely be the negetive factor alone as When something is negetive it is negetive from all the angles as a rule of thumb. Raja , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Dear Raja, > > For some years (several actually!) I have been inviting people to > share a chart and describe/demonstrate that combustion alone was > responsible for whatever 'negative' effect they believed combustion > was responsible for! > > I am still waiting patiently for such examples with a brief > explanation from one and all as to why they think combustion <alone> > was responsible for an evil effect in those nativities. I will ask > the question in my next birthtime again, if necessary! > > The <alone> is important because if there are a bevy of other > negative factors (malefic influences) the " final diagnosis " remains > questionable and uncertain... > > Before you go ahead and worry about propitiation, ponder on the well- > known adage, " If it ain't broken, why fix it? " > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Should a combust planet be propitiated? or Sun should be given the > > more weight always in case of comustion? > > > > e.g.. venus combusted would probably not give any good results for > > marriage then what should be the remedial measures in such case. > > > > RAJA > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " > > <haresh1405@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Echo > > > > > > First understand what combustion is. In hindi it is called andha > or > > blind. Just try this, if u blind fold urself & then start doing all > ur > > routine activities, do u think u will be able to do it. If u r near > a > > fire u will feel hot. When ur body is near the fire do u think u > can > > work comfortably. The answer is no. Isn't it. > > > > > > Similarly if any planet is in combustion will not be able to > deliver > > its +ve or -ve results it is supposed to do. It will only give > minimal > > results coz of its placement. > > >  > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > echo.echomike <echo.echomike@> > > > > > > Saturday, 17 January, 2009 4:13:59 AM > > > combust planets.. > > > > > > > > > hi,i want to ask one question from all respected astrologers of > this > > > forum like this is not from a personal horoscope or not related to > > > anyone.as i m interested in vedic astrology so just want to ask > that > > > in western astrology if a planet comes close to sun to some > certain > > > degrees of extent then it is said to be combusted but this is not > with > > > the mars.in case of mars it is considered in western astrology > that it > > > gains power but in vedic astrology is this the same in the case of > > > mars.is mars gains power or looses all it's phalas for the > > > native.example- ---if the mars is lagna lord and with sun and > > > combust(within the degrees of combustion)then it looses all it's > > > results or it give some results to some certain extent or gains > more > > > power..please put some light..thanks. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to > > http://in..messenger./ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 is it broken only due to combustion? , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > What if it is broken and one wants the results related to Venus? > > combustion alone may not likely be the negetive factor alone as When > something is negetive it is negetive from all the angles as a rule of > thumb. > > Raja > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > For some years (several actually!) I have been inviting people to > > share a chart and describe/demonstrate that combustion alone was > > responsible for whatever 'negative' effect they believed combustion > > was responsible for! > > > > I am still waiting patiently for such examples with a brief > > explanation from one and all as to why they think combustion <alone> > > was responsible for an evil effect in those nativities. I will ask > > the question in my next birthtime again, if necessary! > > > > The <alone> is important because if there are a bevy of other > > negative factors (malefic influences) the " final diagnosis " remains > > questionable and uncertain... > > > > Before you go ahead and worry about propitiation, ponder on the well- > > known adage, " If it ain't broken, why fix it? " > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Should a combust planet be propitiated? or Sun should be given the > > > more weight always in case of comustion? > > > > > > e.g.. venus combusted would probably not give any good results for > > > marriage then what should be the remedial measures in such case. > > > > > > RAJA > > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " > > > <haresh1405@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Echo > > > > > > > > First understand what combustion is. In hindi it is called andha > > or > > > blind. Just try this, if u blind fold urself & then start doing all > > ur > > > routine activities, do u think u will be able to do it. If u r near > > a > > > fire u will feel hot. When ur body is near the fire do u think u > > can > > > work comfortably. The answer is no. Isn't it. > > > > > > > > Similarly if any planet is in combustion will not be able to > > deliver > > > its +ve or -ve results it is supposed to do. It will only give > > minimal > > > results coz of its placement. > > > >  > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI > > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > echo.echomike <echo.echomike@> > > > > > > > > Saturday, 17 January, 2009 4:13:59 AM > > > > combust planets.. > > > > > > > > > > > > hi,i want to ask one question from all respected astrologers of > > this > > > > forum like this is not from a personal horoscope or not related to > > > > anyone.as i m interested in vedic astrology so just want to ask > > that > > > > in western astrology if a planet comes close to sun to some > > certain > > > > degrees of extent then it is said to be combusted but this is not > > with > > > > the mars.in case of mars it is considered in western astrology > > that it > > > > gains power but in vedic astrology is this the same in the case of > > > > mars.is mars gains power or looses all it's phalas for the > > > > native.example- ---if the mars is lagna lord and with sun and > > > > combust(within the degrees of combustion)then it looses all it's > > > > results or it give some results to some certain extent or gains > > more > > > > power..please put some light..thanks. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to > > > http://in..messenger./ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Respected Rohiniranjan jee, The theory of comustion based on visibility of planet.In between the certain degrees with the Sun planet called combust because thay will become invisible from the earth.A well known Astrologer have given the reason that Rays of planet interrupt by Sun and could not come on earth and as well as on Native so he failed to give his effects and result. These theory are based on visibility( Ray of Light) of planet.If it so than who born in the night their Sun should be combust and child born in a room or any covered area not in open and Light Ray moves in straight way.Than what will we say,how much planets are combust? But we are getting effects by other form of energy not by Visibilities or Light Ray.So combustion is a only phenomena of Astronomy,our ancestor have read the planets Astronomy by their 'Yantra' which based on visibility. We have not much literature and reference in detail about the effects of combust planets. In my view and experience effects of planet not effected by combustion. If ,I am on wrong track than please guide me.I would like to know your experiences about it. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > is it broken only due to combustion? > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > What if it is broken and one wants the results related to Venus? > > > > combustion alone may not likely be the negetive factor alone as When > > something is negetive it is negetive from all the angles as a rule > of > > thumb. > > > > Raja > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > For some years (several actually!) I have been inviting people to > > > share a chart and describe/demonstrate that combustion alone was > > > responsible for whatever 'negative' effect they believed > combustion > > > was responsible for! > > > > > > I am still waiting patiently for such examples with a brief > > > explanation from one and all as to why they think combustion > <alone> > > > was responsible for an evil effect in those nativities. I will > ask > > > the question in my next birthtime again, if necessary! > > > > > > The <alone> is important because if there are a bevy of other > > > negative factors (malefic influences) the " final diagnosis " > remains > > > questionable and uncertain... > > > > > > Before you go ahead and worry about propitiation, ponder on the > well- > > > known adage, " If it ain't broken, why fix it? " > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Should a combust planet be propitiated? or Sun should be given > the > > > > more weight always in case of comustion? > > > > > > > > e.g.. venus combusted would probably not give any good results > for > > > > marriage then what should be the remedial measures in such case. > > > > > > > > RAJA > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) > Nathani " > > > > <haresh1405@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Echo > > > > > > > > > > First understand what combustion is. In hindi it is called > andha > > > or > > > > blind. Just try this, if u blind fold urself & then start doing > all > > > ur > > > > routine activities, do u think u will be able to do it. If u r > near > > > a > > > > fire u will feel hot. When ur body is near the fire do u think > u > > > can > > > > work comfortably. The answer is no. Isn't it. > > > > > > > > > > Similarly if any planet is in combustion will not be able to > > > deliver > > > > its +ve or -ve results it is supposed to do. It will only give > > > minimal > > > > results coz of its placement. > > > > >  > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > > > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI > > > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > echo.echomike <echo.echomike@> > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, 17 January, 2009 4:13:59 AM > > > > > combust planets.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi,i want to ask one question from all respected astrologers > of > > > this > > > > > forum like this is not from a personal horoscope or not > related to > > > > > anyone.as i m interested in vedic astrology so just want to > ask > > > that > > > > > in western astrology if a planet comes close to sun to some > > > certain > > > > > degrees of extent then it is said to be combusted but this is > not > > > with > > > > > the mars.in case of mars it is considered in western > astrology > > > that it > > > > > gains power but in vedic astrology is this the same in the > case of > > > > > mars.is mars gains power or looses all it's phalas for the > > > > > native.example- ---if the mars is lagna lord and with sun and > > > > > combust(within the degrees of combustion)then it looses all > it's > > > > > results or it give some results to some certain extent or > gains > > > more > > > > > power..please put some light..thanks. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to > > > > http://in..messenger./ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Bhora I am not sure what u r implying here combustion r of two types superior, inferior inferior is when a Graha is behind the Sun, superiod when ahead of the sun thus visible to the Earth now this u have IGNORED that all grahas in the SOLAR SYSTEM are governed by Solar gravity so how can the rays for inferior cumbustion pass thru the Sun? this is totally against the logic and worse attributing to in a room, or closed space is NOT VALID i hope u will see the difference by this simple explanation. to test this see when 9th or 10th lords or 7th is cumbust in a few cases and its degree of cumbustion will show u the result v clearly if u r open to study them. these have been dealt with by our classis deeply needs practical and theoritical study. prashant ________________________________ msbohra62 <msbohra62 Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:44:01 PM Re: combust planets.. Respected Rohiniranjan jee, The theory of comustion based on visibility of planet.In between the certain degrees with the Sun planet called combust because thay will become invisible from the earth.A well known Astrologer have given the reason that Rays of planet interrupt by Sun and could not come on earth and as well as on Native so he failed to give his effects and result. These theory are based on visibility( Ray of Light) of planet.If it so than who born in the night their Sun should be combust and child born in a room or any covered area not in open and Light Ray moves in straight way.Than what will we say,how much planets are combust? But we are getting effects by other form of energy not by Visibilities or Light Ray.So combustion is a only phenomena of Astronomy,our ancestor have read the planets Astronomy by their 'Yantra' which based on visibility. We have not much literature and reference in detail about the effects of combust planets. In my view and experience effects of planet not effected by combustion. If ,I am on wrong track than please guide me.I would like to know your experiences about it. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > is it broken only due to combustion? > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > What if it is broken and one wants the results related to Venus? > > > > combustion alone may not likely be the negetive factor alone as When > > something is negetive it is negetive from all the angles as a rule > of > > thumb. > > > > Raja > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > For some years (several actually!) I have been inviting people to > > > share a chart and describe/demonstrat e that combustion alone was > > > responsible for whatever 'negative' effect they believed > combustion > > > was responsible for! > > > > > > I am still waiting patiently for such examples with a brief > > > explanation from one and all as to why they think combustion > <alone> > > > was responsible for an evil effect in those nativities. I will > ask > > > the question in my next birthtime again, if necessary! > > > > > > The <alone> is important because if there are a bevy of other > > > negative factors (malefic influences) the " final diagnosis " > remains > > > questionable and uncertain... > > > > > > Before you go ahead and worry about propitiation, ponder on the > well- > > > known adage, " If it ain't broken, why fix it? " > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Should a combust planet be propitiated? or Sun should be given > the > > > > more weight always in case of comustion? > > > > > > > > e.g.. venus combusted would probably not give any good results > for > > > > marriage then what should be the remedial measures in such case. > > > > > > > > RAJA > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) > Nathani " > > > > <haresh1405@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Echo > > > > > > > > > > First understand what combustion is. In hindi it is called > andha > > > or > > > > blind. Just try this, if u blind fold urself & then start doing > all > > > ur > > > > routine activities, do u think u will be able to do it. If u r > near > > > a > > > > fire u will feel hot. When ur body is near the fire do u think > u > > > can > > > > work comfortably. The answer is no. Isn't it. > > > > > > > > > > Similarly if any planet is in combustion will not be able to > > > deliver > > > > its +ve or -ve results it is supposed to do. It will only give > > > minimal > > > > results coz of its placement. > > > > >  > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > echo.echomike <echo.echomike@ > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, 17 January, 2009 4:13:59 AM > > > > > combust planets.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi,i want to ask one question from all respected astrologers > of > > > this > > > > > forum like this is not from a personal horoscope or not > related to > > > > > anyone.as i m interested in vedic astrology so just want to > ask > > > that > > > > > in western astrology if a planet comes close to sun to some > > > certain > > > > > degrees of extent then it is said to be combusted but this is > not > > > with > > > > > the mars.in case of mars it is considered in western > astrology > > > that it > > > > > gains power but in vedic astrology is this the same in the > case of > > > > > mars.is mars gains power or looses all it's phalas for the > > > > > native.example- ---if the mars is lagna lord and with sun and > > > > > combust(within the degrees of combustion)then it looses all > it's > > > > > results or it give some results to some certain extent or > gains > > > more > > > > > power..please put some light..thanks. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! 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Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Dear Prashant jee, It is my request to you,just read again my post and think comfortably and correct me tomorrow.I have given very solid logic,may be I am wrong but think about it in relax time. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Bhora > > I am not sure what u r implying here > > combustion r of two types superior, inferior > > inferior is when a Graha is behind the Sun, superiod when ahead of the sun thus visible to the Earth > > now this u have IGNORED that all grahas in the SOLAR SYSTEM are governed by Solar gravity so how can the rays for inferior cumbustion pass thru the Sun? > > this is totally against the logic and worse attributing to in a room, or closed space is NOT VALID > > i hope u will see the difference by this simple explanation. > > to test this see when 9th or 10th lords or 7th is cumbust in a few cases and its degree of cumbustion will show u the result v clearly if u r open to study them. these have been dealt with by our classis deeply needs practical and theoritical study. > > > prashant > > > ________________________________ > msbohra62 <msbohra62 > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:44:01 PM > Re: combust planets.. > > > Respected Rohiniranjan jee, > > The theory of comustion based on visibility of planet.In between the > certain degrees with the Sun planet called combust because thay will > become invisible from the earth.A well known Astrologer have given the > reason that Rays of planet interrupt by Sun and could not come on > earth and as well as on Native so he failed to give his effects and > result. > > These theory are based on visibility( Ray of Light) of planet.If it so > than who born in the night their Sun should be combust and child born > in a room or any covered area not in open and Light Ray moves in > straight way.Than what will we say,how much planets are combust? > > But we are getting effects by other form of energy not by Visibilities > or Light Ray.So combustion is a only phenomena of Astronomy,our > ancestor have read the planets Astronomy by their 'Yantra' which based > on visibility. > > We have not much literature and reference in detail about the effects > of combust planets. > > In my view and experience effects of planet not effected by combustion. > > If ,I am on wrong track than please guide me.I would like to know your > experiences about it. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > is it broken only due to combustion? > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > What if it is broken and one wants the results related to Venus? > > > > > > combustion alone may not likely be the negetive factor alone as When > > > something is negetive it is negetive from all the angles as a rule > > of > > > thumb. > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > For some years (several actually!) I have been inviting people to > > > > share a chart and describe/demonstrat e that combustion alone was > > > > responsible for whatever 'negative' effect they believed > > combustion > > > > was responsible for! > > > > > > > > I am still waiting patiently for such examples with a brief > > > > explanation from one and all as to why they think combustion > > <alone> > > > > was responsible for an evil effect in those nativities. I will > > ask > > > > the question in my next birthtime again, if necessary! > > > > > > > > The <alone> is important because if there are a bevy of other > > > > negative factors (malefic influences) the " final diagnosis " > > remains > > > > questionable and uncertain... > > > > > > > > Before you go ahead and worry about propitiation, ponder on the > > well- > > > > known adage, " If it ain't broken, why fix it? " > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Should a combust planet be propitiated? or Sun should be given > > the > > > > > more weight always in case of comustion? > > > > > > > > > > e.g.. venus combusted would probably not give any good results > > for > > > > > marriage then what should be the remedial measures in such case. > > > > > > > > > > RAJA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) > > Nathani " > > > > > <haresh1405@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Echo > > > > > > > > > > > > First understand what combustion is. In hindi it is called > > andha > > > > or > > > > > blind. Just try this, if u blind fold urself & then start doing > > all > > > > ur > > > > > routine activities, do u think u will be able to do it. If u r > > near > > > > a > > > > > fire u will feel hot. When ur body is near the fire do u think > > u > > > > can > > > > > work comfortably. The answer is no. Isn't it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly if any planet is in combustion will not be able to > > > > deliver > > > > > its +ve or -ve results it is supposed to do. It will only give > > > > minimal > > > > > results coz of its placement. > > > > > >  > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > > > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > > > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > > > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > > > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > echo.echomike <echo.echomike@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, 17 January, 2009 4:13:59 AM > > > > > > combust planets.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi,i want to ask one question from all respected astrologers > > of > > > > this > > > > > > forum like this is not from a personal horoscope or not > > related to > > > > > > anyone.as i m interested in vedic astrology so just want to > > ask > > > > that > > > > > > in western astrology if a planet comes close to sun to some > > > > certain > > > > > > degrees of extent then it is said to be combusted but this is > > not > > > > with > > > > > > the mars.in case of mars it is considered in western > > astrology > > > > that it > > > > > > gains power but in vedic astrology is this the same in the > > case of > > > > > > mars.is mars gains power or looses all it's phalas for the > > > > > > native.example- ---if the mars is lagna lord and with sun and > > > > > > combust(within the degrees of combustion)then it looses all > > it's > > > > > > results or it give some results to some certain extent or > > gains > > > > more > > > > > > power..please put some light..thanks. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! 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Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Bohra ji, I am very familiar with the phenomenon of combustion and the fact that it is utilized in bala nirnaya of planets and is one of the 'givens' in contemporary astrology. While the 'visual' factor and the concept of a planet being occluded by the mighty Sun's rays etc are all very fine and some would say intuitively correct, I was trying to see if it indeed is so. That would be the case where other than combustion, a planet is otherwise unafflicted and yet associated with negative effects for the nativity. If there are other negative factors present as well, then it becomes difficult to use that as proof that combustion was responsible for the negative effects. The blanket acceptance of combustion as negative also ignores the fact that sun, though krura is not always malefic. If combustion alone can be spotted in charts, then next one would have to study if sun was a malefic or benefic. If benefic and yet associated with negative experiences then it would add strength to the hypothesis that combustion alone can negatively influence a planet. That said, I doubt very much if any visible ray or magnetic energy etc are responsible for planetary effects as studied in astrology. If visible rays are the reason why we experience planetary effects, then all planets in houses ~2nd to 6th would have no influence on a nativity! I hope you see the logic in what I wrote :-) Namastay, RR , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: > > Respected Rohiniranjan jee, > > The theory of comustion based on visibility of planet.In between the > certain degrees with the Sun planet called combust because thay will > become invisible from the earth.A well known Astrologer have given the > reason that Rays of planet interrupt by Sun and could not come on > earth and as well as on Native so he failed to give his effects and > result. > > These theory are based on visibility( Ray of Light) of planet.If it so > than who born in the night their Sun should be combust and child born > in a room or any covered area not in open and Light Ray moves in > straight way.Than what will we say,how much planets are combust? > > But we are getting effects by other form of energy not by Visibilities > or Light Ray.So combustion is a only phenomena of Astronomy,our > ancestor have read the planets Astronomy by their 'Yantra' which based > on visibility. > > We have not much literature and reference in detail about the effects > of combust planets. > > In my view and experience effects of planet not effected by combustion. > > If ,I am on wrong track than please guide me.I would like to know your > experiences about it. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > is it broken only due to combustion? > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > What if it is broken and one wants the results related to Venus? > > > > > > combustion alone may not likely be the negetive factor alone as When > > > something is negetive it is negetive from all the angles as a rule > > of > > > thumb. > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > For some years (several actually!) I have been inviting people to > > > > share a chart and describe/demonstrate that combustion alone was > > > > responsible for whatever 'negative' effect they believed > > combustion > > > > was responsible for! > > > > > > > > I am still waiting patiently for such examples with a brief > > > > explanation from one and all as to why they think combustion > > <alone> > > > > was responsible for an evil effect in those nativities. I will > > ask > > > > the question in my next birthtime again, if necessary! > > > > > > > > The <alone> is important because if there are a bevy of other > > > > negative factors (malefic influences) the " final diagnosis " > > remains > > > > questionable and uncertain... > > > > > > > > Before you go ahead and worry about propitiation, ponder on the > > well- > > > > known adage, " If it ain't broken, why fix it? " > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Should a combust planet be propitiated? or Sun should be given > > the > > > > > more weight always in case of comustion? > > > > > > > > > > e.g.. venus combusted would probably not give any good results > > for > > > > > marriage then what should be the remedial measures in such case. > > > > > > > > > > RAJA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) > > Nathani " > > > > > <haresh1405@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Echo > > > > > > > > > > > > First understand what combustion is. In hindi it is called > > andha > > > > or > > > > > blind. Just try this, if u blind fold urself & then start doing > > all > > > > ur > > > > > routine activities, do u think u will be able to do it. If u r > > near > > > > a > > > > > fire u will feel hot. When ur body is near the fire do u think > > u > > > > can > > > > > work comfortably. The answer is no. Isn't it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly if any planet is in combustion will not be able to > > > > deliver > > > > > its +ve or -ve results it is supposed to do. It will only give > > > > minimal > > > > > results coz of its placement. > > > > > >  > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > > > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI > > > > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > > > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > > > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > echo.echomike <echo.echomike@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, 17 January, 2009 4:13:59 AM > > > > > > combust planets.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi,i want to ask one question from all respected astrologers > > of > > > > this > > > > > > forum like this is not from a personal horoscope or not > > related to > > > > > > anyone.as i m interested in vedic astrology so just want to > > ask > > > > that > > > > > > in western astrology if a planet comes close to sun to some > > > > certain > > > > > > degrees of extent then it is said to be combusted but this is > > not > > > > with > > > > > > the mars.in case of mars it is considered in western > > astrology > > > > that it > > > > > > gains power but in vedic astrology is this the same in the > > case of > > > > > > mars.is mars gains power or looses all it's phalas for the > > > > > > native.example- ---if the mars is lagna lord and with sun and > > > > > > combust(within the degrees of combustion)then it looses all > > it's > > > > > > results or it give some results to some certain extent or > > gains > > > > more > > > > > > power..please put some light..thanks. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! 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Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Respected Rohiniranjan jee, When you right some thing it have worth for learners as like me.About combustion and planetery effects on us are seems to be treated, as on base of visibleness of planets or the Ray emitted by planet which comes to us as direct direction(Straight way of motion). So i have write you to comment your view and experiences about it.You have concluded your message by " Namaste " so I am also leaving it,no further discussion on this subject. Some thing is beneficial to accept as elders say :-) Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Bohra ji, > > I am very familiar with the phenomenon of combustion and the fact > that it is utilized in bala nirnaya of planets and is one of > the 'givens' in contemporary astrology. > > While the 'visual' factor and the concept of a planet being occluded > by the mighty Sun's rays etc are all very fine and some would say > intuitively correct, I was trying to see if it indeed is so. That > would be the case where other than combustion, a planet is otherwise > unafflicted and yet associated with negative effects for the > nativity. If there are other negative factors present as well, then > it becomes difficult to use that as proof that combustion was > responsible for the negative effects. > > The blanket acceptance of combustion as negative also ignores the > fact that sun, though krura is not always malefic. If combustion > alone can be spotted in charts, then next one would have to study if > sun was a malefic or benefic. If benefic and yet associated with > negative experiences then it would add strength to the hypothesis > that combustion alone can negatively influence a planet. > > That said, I doubt very much if any visible ray or magnetic energy > etc are responsible for planetary effects as studied in astrology. If > visible rays are the reason why we experience planetary effects, then > all planets in houses ~2nd to 6th would have no influence on a > nativity! > > I hope you see the logic in what I wrote :-) > > Namastay, > > RR > > , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@> > wrote: > > > > Respected Rohiniranjan jee, > > > > The theory of comustion based on visibility of planet.In between the > > certain degrees with the Sun planet called combust because thay will > > become invisible from the earth.A well known Astrologer have given > the > > reason that Rays of planet interrupt by Sun and could not come on > > earth and as well as on Native so he failed to give his effects and > > result. > > > > These theory are based on visibility( Ray of Light) of planet.If it > so > > than who born in the night their Sun should be combust and child > born > > in a room or any covered area not in open and Light Ray moves in > > straight way.Than what will we say,how much planets are combust? > > > > But we are getting effects by other form of energy not by > Visibilities > > or Light Ray.So combustion is a only phenomena of Astronomy,our > > ancestor have read the planets Astronomy by their 'Yantra' which > based > > on visibility. > > > > We have not much literature and reference in detail about the > effects > > of combust planets. > > > > In my view and experience effects of planet not effected by > combustion. > > > > If ,I am on wrong track than please guide me.I would like to know > your > > experiences about it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > is it broken only due to combustion? > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > What if it is broken and one wants the results related to Venus? > > > > > > > > combustion alone may not likely be the negetive factor alone as > When > > > > something is negetive it is negetive from all the angles as a > rule > > > of > > > > thumb. > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > For some years (several actually!) I have been inviting > people to > > > > > share a chart and describe/demonstrate that combustion alone > was > > > > > responsible for whatever 'negative' effect they believed > > > combustion > > > > > was responsible for! > > > > > > > > > > I am still waiting patiently for such examples with a brief > > > > > explanation from one and all as to why they think combustion > > > <alone> > > > > > was responsible for an evil effect in those nativities. I > will > > > ask > > > > > the question in my next birthtime again, if necessary! > > > > > > > > > > The <alone> is important because if there are a bevy of other > > > > > negative factors (malefic influences) the " final diagnosis " > > > remains > > > > > questionable and uncertain... > > > > > > > > > > Before you go ahead and worry about propitiation, ponder on > the > > > well- > > > > > known adage, " If it ain't broken, why fix it? " > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > Should a combust planet be propitiated? or Sun should be > given > > > the > > > > > > more weight always in case of comustion? > > > > > > > > > > > > e.g.. venus combusted would probably not give any good > results > > > for > > > > > > marriage then what should be the remedial measures in such > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > RAJA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) > > > Nathani " > > > > > > <haresh1405@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Echo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First understand what combustion is. In hindi it is > called > > > andha > > > > > or > > > > > > blind. Just try this, if u blind fold urself & then start > doing > > > all > > > > > ur > > > > > > routine activities, do u think u will be able to do it. If > u r > > > near > > > > > a > > > > > > fire u will feel hot. When ur body is near the fire do u > think > > > u > > > > > can > > > > > > work comfortably. The answer is no. Isn't it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly if any planet is in combustion will not be able > to > > > > > deliver > > > > > > its +ve or -ve results it is supposed to do. It will only > give > > > > > minimal > > > > > > results coz of its placement. > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > > > > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI > > > > > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > > > > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > > > > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > > > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ > database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > echo.echomike <echo.echomike@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, 17 January, 2009 4:13:59 AM > > > > > > > combust planets.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi,i want to ask one question from all respected > astrologers > > > of > > > > > this > > > > > > > forum like this is not from a personal horoscope or not > > > related to > > > > > > > anyone.as i m interested in vedic astrology so just want > to > > > ask > > > > > that > > > > > > > in western astrology if a planet comes close to sun to > some > > > > > certain > > > > > > > degrees of extent then it is said to be combusted but > this is > > > not > > > > > with > > > > > > > the mars.in case of mars it is considered in western > > > astrology > > > > > that it > > > > > > > gains power but in vedic astrology is this the same in > the > > > case of > > > > > > > mars.is mars gains power or looses all it's phalas for the > > > > > > > native.example- ---if the mars is lagna lord and with sun > and > > > > > > > combust(within the degrees of combustion)then it looses > all > > > it's > > > > > > > results or it give some results to some certain extent or > > > gains > > > > > more > > > > > > > power..please put some light..thanks. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! 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Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Respected RR jee, Please read " write " where mistakenly written " right " in my previous message. Sorry for wrong typing. M.S.Bohra , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: > > Respected Rohiniranjan jee, > > When you right some thing it have worth for learners as like me.About > combustion and planetery effects on us are seems to be treated, as on > base of visibleness of planets or the Ray emitted by planet which > comes to us as direct direction(Straight way of motion). > > So i have write you to comment your view and experiences about it.You > have concluded your message by " Namaste " so I am also leaving it,no > further discussion on this subject. > > Some thing is beneficial to accept as elders say :-) > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Bohra ji, > > > > I am very familiar with the phenomenon of combustion and the fact > > that it is utilized in bala nirnaya of planets and is one of > > the 'givens' in contemporary astrology. > > > > While the 'visual' factor and the concept of a planet being occluded > > by the mighty Sun's rays etc are all very fine and some would say > > intuitively correct, I was trying to see if it indeed is so. That > > would be the case where other than combustion, a planet is otherwise > > unafflicted and yet associated with negative effects for the > > nativity. If there are other negative factors present as well, then > > it becomes difficult to use that as proof that combustion was > > responsible for the negative effects. > > > > The blanket acceptance of combustion as negative also ignores the > > fact that sun, though krura is not always malefic. If combustion > > alone can be spotted in charts, then next one would have to study if > > sun was a malefic or benefic. If benefic and yet associated with > > negative experiences then it would add strength to the hypothesis > > that combustion alone can negatively influence a planet. > > > > That said, I doubt very much if any visible ray or magnetic energy > > etc are responsible for planetary effects as studied in astrology. If > > visible rays are the reason why we experience planetary effects, then > > all planets in houses ~2nd to 6th would have no influence on a > > nativity! > > > > I hope you see the logic in what I wrote :-) > > > > Namastay, > > > > RR > > > > , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Respected Rohiniranjan jee, > > > > > > The theory of comustion based on visibility of planet.In between the > > > certain degrees with the Sun planet called combust because thay will > > > become invisible from the earth.A well known Astrologer have given > > the > > > reason that Rays of planet interrupt by Sun and could not come on > > > earth and as well as on Native so he failed to give his effects and > > > result. > > > > > > These theory are based on visibility( Ray of Light) of planet.If it > > so > > > than who born in the night their Sun should be combust and child > > born > > > in a room or any covered area not in open and Light Ray moves in > > > straight way.Than what will we say,how much planets are combust? > > > > > > But we are getting effects by other form of energy not by > > Visibilities > > > or Light Ray.So combustion is a only phenomena of Astronomy,our > > > ancestor have read the planets Astronomy by their 'Yantra' which > > based > > > on visibility. > > > > > > We have not much literature and reference in detail about the > > effects > > > of combust planets. > > > > > > In my view and experience effects of planet not effected by > > combustion. > > > > > > If ,I am on wrong track than please guide me.I would like to know > > your > > > experiences about it. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > is it broken only due to combustion? > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > What if it is broken and one wants the results related to Venus? > > > > > > > > > > combustion alone may not likely be the negetive factor alone as > > When > > > > > something is negetive it is negetive from all the angles as a > > rule > > > > of > > > > > thumb. > > > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > For some years (several actually!) I have been inviting > > people to > > > > > > share a chart and describe/demonstrate that combustion alone > > was > > > > > > responsible for whatever 'negative' effect they believed > > > > combustion > > > > > > was responsible for! > > > > > > > > > > > > I am still waiting patiently for such examples with a brief > > > > > > explanation from one and all as to why they think combustion > > > > <alone> > > > > > > was responsible for an evil effect in those nativities. I > > will > > > > ask > > > > > > the question in my next birthtime again, if necessary! > > > > > > > > > > > > The <alone> is important because if there are a bevy of other > > > > > > negative factors (malefic influences) the " final diagnosis " > > > > remains > > > > > > questionable and uncertain... > > > > > > > > > > > > Before you go ahead and worry about propitiation, ponder on > > the > > > > well- > > > > > > known adage, " If it ain't broken, why fix it? " > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should a combust planet be propitiated? or Sun should be > > given > > > > the > > > > > > > more weight always in case of comustion? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e.g.. venus combusted would probably not give any good > > results > > > > for > > > > > > > marriage then what should be the remedial measures in such > > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAJA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) > > > > Nathani " > > > > > > > <haresh1405@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Echo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First understand what combustion is. In hindi it is > > called > > > > andha > > > > > > or > > > > > > > blind. Just try this, if u blind fold urself & then start > > doing > > > > all > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > routine activities, do u think u will be able to do it. If > > u r > > > > near > > > > > > a > > > > > > > fire u will feel hot. When ur body is near the fire do u > > think > > > > u > > > > > > can > > > > > > > work comfortably. The answer is no. Isn't it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly if any planet is in combustion will not be able > > to > > > > > > deliver > > > > > > > its +ve or -ve results it is supposed to do. It will only > > give > > > > > > minimal > > > > > > > results coz of its placement. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > > > > > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI > > > > > > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > > > > > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > > > > > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > > > > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ > > database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > echo.echomike <echo.echomike@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, 17 January, 2009 4:13:59 AM > > > > > > > > combust planets.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi,i want to ask one question from all respected > > astrologers > > > > of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > forum like this is not from a personal horoscope or not > > > > related to > > > > > > > > anyone.as i m interested in vedic astrology so just want > > to > > > > ask > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > in western astrology if a planet comes close to sun to > > some > > > > > > certain > > > > > > > > degrees of extent then it is said to be combusted but > > this is > > > > not > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the mars.in case of mars it is considered in western > > > > astrology > > > > > > that it > > > > > > > > gains power but in vedic astrology is this the same in > > the > > > > case of > > > > > > > > mars.is mars gains power or looses all it's phalas for the > > > > > > > > native.example- ---if the mars is lagna lord and with sun > > and > > > > > > > > combust(within the degrees of combustion)then it looses > > all > > > > it's > > > > > > > > results or it give some results to some certain extent or > > > > gains > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > power..please put some light..thanks. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! 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Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Bohra ji, RR ji gave you more than excellent food for thought. He is judicious. Let me elaborate a point. A combust planet is always bad in the sense that it loses its full power to give what it otherwise could give.. But depending on the degree of combustion, the combust planet becomes a medium for the results of Sun. For instance, a planet combust in exalted Sun gives good results, provided the Sun has no malefic properties. Second thing to be borne in mind is that special yogas of a combust planets specifically mentioned in BPHS & c always give bad results, but these results may be ameliorated if the combust planet and the Sun are benefics. For instance, Merc as lord of 9-12 and Sun as lord of 11 would lead a person to hell through sin if Merc (lord of 12) is with Sun, but if they are placed in good houses then there will be chances of redemption as well. Physical rays and other physical properties are non-issues in combustion. If so, only the solar disc could cause combustion, and that too only during superior conjunction. Natives born during night are no less influenced by Sun than those who are born in day. Material properties are proportional to mass and distance. But planetary influences are not proportional to mass or distance. -VJ ________________________________ msbohra62 <msbohra62 Monday, January 19, 2009 8:38:41 PM Re: combust planets.. Respected Rohiniranjan jee, When you right some thing it have worth for learners as like me.About combustion and planetery effects on us are seems to be treated, as on base of visibleness of planets or the Ray emitted by planet which comes to us as direct direction(Straight way of motion). So i have write you to comment your view and experiences about it.You have concluded your message by " Namaste " so I am also leaving it,no further discussion on this subject. Some thing is beneficial to accept as elders say :-) Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Bohra ji, > > I am very familiar with the phenomenon of combustion and the fact > that it is utilized in bala nirnaya of planets and is one of > the 'givens' in contemporary astrology. > > While the 'visual' factor and the concept of a planet being occluded > by the mighty Sun's rays etc are all very fine and some would say > intuitively correct, I was trying to see if it indeed is so. That > would be the case where other than combustion, a planet is otherwise > unafflicted and yet associated with negative effects for the > nativity. If there are other negative factors present as well, then > it becomes difficult to use that as proof that combustion was > responsible for the negative effects. > > The blanket acceptance of combustion as negative also ignores the > fact that sun, though krura is not always malefic. If combustion > alone can be spotted in charts, then next one would have to study if > sun was a malefic or benefic. If benefic and yet associated with > negative experiences then it would add strength to the hypothesis > that combustion alone can negatively influence a planet. > > That said, I doubt very much if any visible ray or magnetic energy > etc are responsible for planetary effects as studied in astrology. If > visible rays are the reason why we experience planetary effects, then > all planets in houses ~2nd to 6th would have no influence on a > nativity! > > I hope you see the logic in what I wrote :-) > > Namastay, > > RR > > , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@> > wrote: > > > > Respected Rohiniranjan jee, > > > > The theory of comustion based on visibility of planet.In between the > > certain degrees with the Sun planet called combust because thay will > > become invisible from the earth.A well known Astrologer have given > the > > reason that Rays of planet interrupt by Sun and could not come on > > earth and as well as on Native so he failed to give his effects and > > result. > > > > These theory are based on visibility( Ray of Light) of planet.If it > so > > than who born in the night their Sun should be combust and child > born > > in a room or any covered area not in open and Light Ray moves in > > straight way.Than what will we say,how much planets are combust? > > > > But we are getting effects by other form of energy not by > Visibilities > > or Light Ray.So combustion is a only phenomena of Astronomy,our > > ancestor have read the planets Astronomy by their 'Yantra' which > based > > on visibility. > > > > We have not much literature and reference in detail about the > effects > > of combust planets. > > > > In my view and experience effects of planet not effected by > combustion. > > > > If ,I am on wrong track than please guide me.I would like to know > your > > experiences about it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > is it broken only due to combustion? > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > What if it is broken and one wants the results related to Venus? > > > > > > > > combustion alone may not likely be the negetive factor alone as > When > > > > something is negetive it is negetive from all the angles as a > rule > > > of > > > > thumb. > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > For some years (several actually!) I have been inviting > people to > > > > > share a chart and describe/demonstrat e that combustion alone > was > > > > > responsible for whatever 'negative' effect they believed > > > combustion > > > > > was responsible for! > > > > > > > > > > I am still waiting patiently for such examples with a brief > > > > > explanation from one and all as to why they think combustion > > > <alone> > > > > > was responsible for an evil effect in those nativities. I > will > > > ask > > > > > the question in my next birthtime again, if necessary! > > > > > > > > > > The <alone> is important because if there are a bevy of other > > > > > negative factors (malefic influences) the " final diagnosis " > > > remains > > > > > questionable and uncertain... > > > > > > > > > > Before you go ahead and worry about propitiation, ponder on > the > > > well- > > > > > known adage, " If it ain't broken, why fix it? " > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > Should a combust planet be propitiated? or Sun should be > given > > > the > > > > > > more weight always in case of comustion? > > > > > > > > > > > > e.g.. venus combusted would probably not give any good > results > > > for > > > > > > marriage then what should be the remedial measures in such > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > RAJA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) > > > Nathani " > > > > > > <haresh1405@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Echo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First understand what combustion is. In hindi it is > called > > > andha > > > > > or > > > > > > blind. Just try this, if u blind fold urself & then start > doing > > > all > > > > > ur > > > > > > routine activities, do u think u will be able to do it. If > u r > > > near > > > > > a > > > > > > fire u will feel hot.. When ur body is near the fire do u > think > > > u > > > > > can > > > > > > work comfortably. The answer is no. Isn't it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly if any planet is in combustion will not be able > to > > > > > deliver > > > > > > its +ve or -ve results it is supposed to do. It will only > give > > > > > minimal > > > > > > results coz of its placement. > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > > > > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > > > > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > > > > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > > > > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > > > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ > database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > echo.echomike <echo.echomike@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, 17 January, 2009 4:13:59 AM > > > > > > > combust planets.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi,i want to ask one question from all respected > astrologers > > > of > > > > > this > > > > > > > forum like this is not from a personal horoscope or not > > > related to > > > > > > > anyone.as i m interested in vedic astrology so just want > to > > > ask > > > > > that > > > > > > > in western astrology if a planet comes close to sun to > some > > > > > certain > > > > > > > degrees of extent then it is said to be combusted but > this is > > > not > > > > > with > > > > > > > the mars.in case of mars it is considered in western > > > astrology > > > > > that it > > > > > > > gains power but in vedic astrology is this the same in > the > > > case of > > > > > > > mars.is mars gains power or looses all it's phalas for the > > > > > > > native.example- ---if the mars is lagna lord and with sun > and > > > > > > > combust(within the degrees of combustion)then it looses > all > > > it's > > > > > > > results or it give some results to some certain extent or > > > gains > > > > > more > > > > > > > power..please put some light..thanks. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! 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