NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

January 18, 2009

Dear All,

Please allow me to stick my nose in where it does not belong, perhaps.

This thread kind of starts in the middle. I cannot find the 'seed'

message from Sateesh to Kumar ji wherein the former presumably

offered to discuss Mr. Bhaskar's horoscope. Prashant Kumar ji's

response was balanced but it was posted publicly!

Maybe Sateesh did write publicly here and I just could not find it

<aging eyes!>.

I think it is unwise to discuss someone's chart when a conflict is

going on.

I think it is unwise to use someone's chart to put them down or to

make one's point.

Even if the intentions are pure (!) when emotions are flared and

people are rightly or wrongly feeling cornered or victimized or

angry, it is not the best strategy to act wise and use their charts

to explain what someone perceives as the reason for their reaction or

behaviour! It just would not do what good it is intended to at such a

moment ...!

And, if the intention is to hurt or belittle someone (general

statement and not specifically accusing Sateesh of trying to do that,

I say just to clear any confusions or misinterpretations!), then that

would be a sin! Jyotish and 'hurting' must never be combined, not

even if you are reading the chart of someone who you are currently

feeling as your opponent and 'enemy'!

I think Hitler that (used astrologers to strategize his attacks) and

look where he ended up!

Rohiniranjan

, " Sateesh Batas " <makara

wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant,

>

> You are correct, there is no question about hurting him here.

>

> I assume he is reading this, and so therefore rather than me

disturbing him on-list, we can see if he posts his permission on the

group - if he does, then I guess you can allow my post.

>

> If he does not, then we can assume the opposite.

>

> Many thanks - and great moderating - good to see someone

impartial, although I know it's a difficult task.

>

> Best - Sateesh (not Satish!)

>

> ========

>

> -

> Prashant Kumar G B

>

> Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:19 PM

> Re: Ayanamsha vs Precession : Some Ancient Secrets

16/1 BM

>

> Satish

>

> I hope u can write to bhaskar personally and ask him if we can

discuss his chart personally

>

> though ur post is impartial he may feel I am deliberately hurting

him which is NOT true! [DELIBERATE]

>

> but he will see it only one way so pl get his explicit permission

on this as he is not active here is scared of being under moderation

>

> but at times he says he is impulsive and is ok when i don't approve

msgs on fon but in grp mails it is exact opposite so I will give him

benefit of doubt here also [as one who is not active so will avoid

topics, questions on him-till he feels ok on it]

>

> if u don't send to him I will copy this mail to him sometime tom, I

hope u do this NOW

>

> prashant

>

> .

>

January 18, 2009

Hmm, but you are not correct at all in Subject - since I never used BPHS! But

other methods!

)

========

-

Rohiniranjan

Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:16 AM

NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

Dear All,

Please allow me to stick my nose in where it does not belong, perhaps.

This thread kind of starts in the middle. I cannot find the 'seed'

message from Sateesh to Kumar ji wherein the former presumably

offered to discuss Mr. Bhaskar's horoscope. Prashant Kumar ji's

response was balanced but it was posted publicly!

Maybe Sateesh did write publicly here and I just could not find it

<aging eyes!>.

I think it is unwise to discuss someone's chart when a conflict is

going on.

I think it is unwise to use someone's chart to put them down or to

make one's point.

Even if the intentions are pure (!) when emotions are flared and

people are rightly or wrongly feeling cornered or victimized or

angry, it is not the best strategy to act wise and use their charts

to explain what someone perceives as the reason for their reaction or

behaviour! It just would not do what good it is intended to at such a

moment ...!

And, if the intention is to hurt or belittle someone (general

statement and not specifically accusing Sateesh of trying to do that,

I say just to clear any confusions or misinterpretations!), then that

would be a sin! Jyotish and 'hurting' must never be combined, not

even if you are reading the chart of someone who you are currently

feeling as your opponent and 'enemy'!

I think Hitler that (used astrologers to strategize his attacks) and

look where he ended up!

Rohiniranjan

, " Sateesh Batas " <makara

wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant,

>

> You are correct, there is no question about hurting him here.

>

> I assume he is reading this, and so therefore rather than me

disturbing him on-list, we can see if he posts his permission on the

group - if he does, then I guess you can allow my post.

>

> If he does not, then we can assume the opposite.

>

> Many thanks - and great moderating - good to see someone

impartial, although I know it's a difficult task.

>

> Best - Sateesh (not Satish!)

>

> ========

>

> -

> Prashant Kumar G B

>

> Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:19 PM

> Re: Ayanamsha vs Precession : Some Ancient Secrets

16/1 BM

>

> Satish

>

> I hope u can write to bhaskar personally and ask him if we can

discuss his chart personally

>

> though ur post is impartial he may feel I am deliberately hurting

him which is NOT true! [DELIBERATE]

>

> but he will see it only one way so pl get his explicit permission

on this as he is not active here is scared of being under moderation

>

> but at times he says he is impulsive and is ok when i don't approve

msgs on fon but in grp mails it is exact opposite so I will give him

benefit of doubt here also [as one who is not active so will avoid

topics, questions on him-till he feels ok on it]

>

> if u don't send to him I will copy this mail to him sometime tom, I

hope u do this NOW

>

> prashant

>

> .

>

January 18, 2009

Dear RRji,

the supposed mail on a reading abt Bhasjar is still in the quee-unapproved/under

moderation

I don't want to take a risk of allowing it in the group when he is not active

here so I asked him to seek his permission and then I will allow it that is what

he has also come on now to say

so peace at initial stage is ensured If Bhaskar has no problem with it can be

allowed else will stand in the not posted lot till it lapses on its own the

default 14 day period

this is a a attempt to protect group peace, space. but can be misunderstood as a

ploy to hurt him even if that is not the idea of the poster

prashant

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:46:47 AM

NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

Dear All,

Please allow me to stick my nose in where it does not belong, perhaps.

This thread kind of starts in the middle. I cannot find the 'seed'

message from Sateesh to Kumar ji wherein the former presumably

offered to discuss Mr. Bhaskar's horoscope. Prashant Kumar ji's

response was balanced but it was posted publicly!

Maybe Sateesh did write publicly here and I just could not find it

<aging eyes!>.

I think it is unwise to discuss someone's chart when a conflict is

going on.

I think it is unwise to use someone's chart to put them down or to

make one's point.

Even if the intentions are pure (!) when emotions are flared and

people are rightly or wrongly feeling cornered or victimized or

angry, it is not the best strategy to act wise and use their charts

to explain what someone perceives as the reason for their reaction or

behaviour! It just would not do what good it is intended to at such a

moment ...!

And, if the intention is to hurt or belittle someone (general

statement and not specifically accusing Sateesh of trying to do that,

I say just to clear any confusions or misinterpretations! ), then that

would be a sin! Jyotish and 'hurting' must never be combined, not

even if you are reading the chart of someone who you are currently

feeling as your opponent and 'enemy'!

I think Hitler that (used astrologers to strategize his attacks) and

look where he ended up!

Rohiniranjan

, " Sateesh Batas " <makara

wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant,

>

> You are correct, there is no question about hurting him here.

>

> I assume he is reading this, and so therefore rather than me

disturbing him on-list, we can see if he posts his permission on the

group - if he does, then I guess you can allow my post.

>

> If he does not, then we can assume the opposite.

>

> Many thanks - and great moderating - good to see someone

impartial, although I know it's a difficult task.

>

> Best - Sateesh (not Satish!)

>

> ========

>

> -

> Prashant Kumar G B

>

> Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:19 PM

> Re: Ayanamsha vs Precession : Some Ancient Secrets

16/1 BM

>

> Satish

>

> I hope u can write to bhaskar personally and ask him if we can

discuss his chart personally

>

> though ur post is impartial he may feel I am deliberately hurting

him which is NOT true! [DELIBERATE]

>

> but he will see it only one way so pl get his explicit permission

on this as he is not active here is scared of being under moderation

>

> but at times he says he is impulsive and is ok when i don't approve

msgs on fon but in grp mails it is exact opposite so I will give him

benefit of doubt here also [as one who is not active so will avoid

topics, questions on him-till he feels ok on it]

>

> if u don't send to him I will copy this mail to him sometime tom, I

hope u do this NOW

>

> prashant

>

> .

>

January 18, 2009

Dear Sateesh,

The message was not directed at you specifically, though your message

had a role as an initiator as chemical reactions go!

The four-letter word BPHS was used symbolically as

representing " corpus astrological indica " and not the two volumes

specifically which all jyotishis would benefit by studying from --

even if not following entirely or at all eventually!

Rohiniranjan

, " Sateesh Batas " <makara

wrote:

>

> Hmm, but you are not correct at all in Subject - since I never used

BPHS! But other methods!

>

> )

>

> ========

>

> -

> Rohiniranjan

>

> Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:16 AM

> NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

>

> Dear All,

>

> Please allow me to stick my nose in where it does not belong,

perhaps.

>

> This thread kind of starts in the middle. I cannot find the 'seed'

> message from Sateesh to Kumar ji wherein the former presumably

> offered to discuss Mr. Bhaskar's horoscope. Prashant Kumar ji's

> response was balanced but it was posted publicly!

>

> Maybe Sateesh did write publicly here and I just could not find it

> <aging eyes!>.

>

> I think it is unwise to discuss someone's chart when a conflict is

> going on.

>

> I think it is unwise to use someone's chart to put them down or to

> make one's point.

>

> Even if the intentions are pure (!) when emotions are flared and

> people are rightly or wrongly feeling cornered or victimized or

> angry, it is not the best strategy to act wise and use their charts

> to explain what someone perceives as the reason for their reaction

or

> behaviour! It just would not do what good it is intended to at such

a

> moment ...!

>

> And, if the intention is to hurt or belittle someone (general

> statement and not specifically accusing Sateesh of trying to do

that,

> I say just to clear any confusions or misinterpretations!), then

that

> would be a sin! Jyotish and 'hurting' must never be combined, not

> even if you are reading the chart of someone who you are currently

> feeling as your opponent and 'enemy'!

>

> I think Hitler that (used astrologers to strategize his attacks)

and

> look where he ended up!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Sateesh Batas " <makara@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant,

> >

> > You are correct, there is no question about hurting him here.

> >

> > I assume he is reading this, and so therefore rather than me

> disturbing him on-list, we can see if he posts his permission on

the

> group - if he does, then I guess you can allow my post.

> >

> > If he does not, then we can assume the opposite.

> >

> > Many thanks - and great moderating - good to see someone

> impartial, although I know it's a difficult task.

> >

> > Best - Sateesh (not Satish!)

> >

> > ========

> >

> > -

> > Prashant Kumar G B

> >

> > Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:19 PM

> > Re: Ayanamsha vs Precession : Some Ancient Secrets

> 16/1 BM

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > I hope u can write to bhaskar personally and ask him if we can

> discuss his chart personally

> >

> > though ur post is impartial he may feel I am deliberately hurting

> him which is NOT true! [DELIBERATE]

> >

> > but he will see it only one way so pl get his explicit permission

> on this as he is not active here is scared of being under moderation

> >

> > but at times he says he is impulsive and is ok when i don't

approve

> msgs on fon but in grp mails it is exact opposite so I will give

him

> benefit of doubt here also [as one who is not active so will avoid

> topics, questions on him-till he feels ok on it]

> >

> > if u don't send to him I will copy this mail to him sometime tom,

I

> hope u do this NOW

> >

> > prashant

> >

> > .

> >

January 18, 2009

In an earlier post here, I had said that I dislike praises or abuses

in a topic dedicated to Ayanamsha. No personal topic should be allowed

to intrude.

-VJ

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RRji,

>

> the supposed mail on a reading abt Bhasjar is still in the

quee-unapproved/under moderation

>

> I don't want to take a risk of allowing it in the group when he is

not active here so I asked him to seek his permission and then I will

allow it that is what he has also come on now to say

>

> so peace at initial stage is ensured If Bhaskar has no problem with

it can be allowed else will stand in the not posted lot till it lapses

on its own the default 14 day period

>

> this is a a attempt to protect group peace, space. but can be

misunderstood as a ploy to hurt him even if that is not the idea of

the poster

>

> prashant

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

>

> Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:46:47 AM

> NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

>

> Dear All,

>

> Please allow me to stick my nose in where it does not belong, perhaps.

>

> This thread kind of starts in the middle. I cannot find the 'seed'

> message from Sateesh to Kumar ji wherein the former presumably

> offered to discuss Mr. Bhaskar's horoscope. Prashant Kumar ji's

> response was balanced but it was posted publicly!

>

> Maybe Sateesh did write publicly here and I just could not find it

> <aging eyes!>.

>

> I think it is unwise to discuss someone's chart when a conflict is

> going on.

>

> I think it is unwise to use someone's chart to put them down or to

> make one's point.

>

> Even if the intentions are pure (!) when emotions are flared and

> people are rightly or wrongly feeling cornered or victimized or

> angry, it is not the best strategy to act wise and use their charts

> to explain what someone perceives as the reason for their reaction or

> behaviour! It just would not do what good it is intended to at such a

> moment ...!

>

> And, if the intention is to hurt or belittle someone (general

> statement and not specifically accusing Sateesh of trying to do that,

> I say just to clear any confusions or misinterpretations! ), then that

> would be a sin! Jyotish and 'hurting' must never be combined, not

> even if you are reading the chart of someone who you are currently

> feeling as your opponent and 'enemy'!

>

> I think Hitler that (used astrologers to strategize his attacks) and

> look where he ended up!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Sateesh Batas " <makara@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant,

> >

> > You are correct, there is no question about hurting him here.

> >

> > I assume he is reading this, and so therefore rather than me

> disturbing him on-list, we can see if he posts his permission on the

> group - if he does, then I guess you can allow my post.

> >

> > If he does not, then we can assume the opposite.

> >

> > Many thanks - and great moderating - good to see someone

> impartial, although I know it's a difficult task.

> >

> > Best - Sateesh (not Satish!)

> >

> > ========

> >

> > -

> > Prashant Kumar G B

> >

> > Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:19 PM

> > Re: Ayanamsha vs Precession : Some Ancient Secrets

> 16/1 BM

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > I hope u can write to bhaskar personally and ask him if we can

> discuss his chart personally

> >

> > though ur post is impartial he may feel I am deliberately hurting

> him which is NOT true! [DELIBERATE]

> >

> > but he will see it only one way so pl get his explicit permission

> on this as he is not active here is scared of being under moderation

> >

> > but at times he says he is impulsive and is ok when i don't approve

> msgs on fon but in grp mails it is exact opposite so I will give him

> benefit of doubt here also [as one who is not active so will avoid

> topics, questions on him-till he feels ok on it]

> >

> > if u don't send to him I will copy this mail to him sometime tom, I

> hope u do this NOW

> >

> > prashant

> >

> > .

> >

January 18, 2009

Dear Kumar ji,

NEITHER Bhaskar is perfect, NOR is anyone else here, you and I

included!

I find it distasteful that he is being put in a position where he has

to agree by default to *agree* out of politeness or whatever to have

his chart on display on this forum or whereever else and picked at by

one and all as they choose and pick their tools!

If that ever occurs here on , please note that I have

many charts too of internet astrologers and I will take this

personally and post those with astrological comments at various

places and at various times!

I am not a fan of Bhaskar or have any special affinity with him --

but I do believe in astrological dignity! Something that even casual

astrologers MUST POSSESS and DEMONSTRATE!

Rohiniranjan

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RRji,

>

> the supposed mail on a reading abt Bhasjar is still in the quee-

unapproved/under moderation

>

> I don't want to take a risk of allowing it in the group when he is

not active here so I asked him to seek his permission and then I will

allow it that is what he has also come on now to say

>

> so peace at initial stage is ensured If Bhaskar has no problem with

it can be allowed else will stand in the not posted lot till it

lapses on its own the default 14 day period

>

> this is a a attempt to protect group peace, space. but can be

misunderstood as a ploy to hurt him even if that is not the idea of

the poster

>

> prashant

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

>

> Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:46:47 AM

> NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

>

> Dear All,

>

> Please allow me to stick my nose in where it does not belong,

perhaps.

>

> This thread kind of starts in the middle. I cannot find the 'seed'

> message from Sateesh to Kumar ji wherein the former presumably

> offered to discuss Mr. Bhaskar's horoscope. Prashant Kumar ji's

> response was balanced but it was posted publicly!

>

> Maybe Sateesh did write publicly here and I just could not find it

> <aging eyes!>.

>

> I think it is unwise to discuss someone's chart when a conflict is

> going on.

>

> I think it is unwise to use someone's chart to put them down or to

> make one's point.

>

> Even if the intentions are pure (!) when emotions are flared and

> people are rightly or wrongly feeling cornered or victimized or

> angry, it is not the best strategy to act wise and use their charts

> to explain what someone perceives as the reason for their reaction

or

> behaviour! It just would not do what good it is intended to at such

a

> moment ...!

>

> And, if the intention is to hurt or belittle someone (general

> statement and not specifically accusing Sateesh of trying to do

that,

> I say just to clear any confusions or misinterpretations! ), then

that

> would be a sin! Jyotish and 'hurting' must never be combined, not

> even if you are reading the chart of someone who you are currently

> feeling as your opponent and 'enemy'!

>

> I think Hitler that (used astrologers to strategize his attacks)

and

> look where he ended up!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Sateesh Batas "

<makara@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant,

> >

> > You are correct, there is no question about hurting him here.

> >

> > I assume he is reading this, and so therefore rather than me

> disturbing him on-list, we can see if he posts his permission on

the

> group - if he does, then I guess you can allow my post.

> >

> > If he does not, then we can assume the opposite.

> >

> > Many thanks - and great moderating - good to see someone

> impartial, although I know it's a difficult task.

> >

> > Best - Sateesh (not Satish!)

> >

> > ========

> >

> > -

> > Prashant Kumar G B

> >

> > Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:19 PM

> > Re: Ayanamsha vs Precession : Some Ancient Secrets

> 16/1 BM

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > I hope u can write to bhaskar personally and ask him if we can

> discuss his chart personally

> >

> > though ur post is impartial he may feel I am deliberately hurting

> him which is NOT true! [DELIBERATE]

> >

> > but he will see it only one way so pl get his explicit permission

> on this as he is not active here is scared of being under moderation

> >

> > but at times he says he is impulsive and is ok when i don't

approve

> msgs on fon but in grp mails it is exact opposite so I will give

him

> benefit of doubt here also [as one who is not active so will avoid

> topics, questions on him-till he feels ok on it]

> >

> > if u don't send to him I will copy this mail to him sometime tom,

I

> hope u do this NOW

> >

> > prashant

> >

> > .

> >

January 18, 2009

Dear RR ji

pl be assured as Bhaskar I did not pass it for the same reason and only if

approves the idea will do it else it is a clear NO to this person, I don't

anyone to claim it is a fake ID of x, y z, he cud be a student or a advanced

astrologer I have NO IDEA and it is risky to pass it without Bhaskars say in it

and this acutally a harmless post as of now

where he discussed some transits on his chart with not much said in detail,

nothing personal was said either

but some extra care not to get dragged into a needless controversy I am taking

it is no fair to put anyones chart esp by name without their persmission, more

so when there is a element of mistrust

prashant

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:11:51 AM

Re: NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

Dear Kumar ji,

NEITHER Bhaskar is perfect, NOR is anyone else here, you and I

included!

I find it distasteful that he is being put in a position where he has

to agree by default to *agree* out of politeness or whatever to have

his chart on display on this forum or whereever else and picked at by

one and all as they choose and pick their tools!

If that ever occurs here on , please note that I have

many charts too of internet astrologers and I will take this

personally and post those with astrological comments at various

places and at various times!

I am not a fan of Bhaskar or have any special affinity with him --

but I do believe in astrological dignity! Something that even casual

astrologers MUST POSSESS and DEMONSTRATE!

Rohiniranjan

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear RRji,

>

> the supposed mail on a reading abt Bhasjar is still in the quee-

unapproved/under moderation

>

> I don't want to take a risk of allowing it in the group when he is

not active here so I asked him to seek his permission and then I will

allow it that is what he has also come on now to say

>

> so peace at initial stage is ensured If Bhaskar has no problem with

it can be allowed else will stand in the not posted lot till it

lapses on its own the default 14 day period

>

> this is a a attempt to protect group peace, space. but can be

misunderstood as a ploy to hurt him even if that is not the idea of

the poster

>

> prashant

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

>

> Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:46:47 AM

> NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

>

> Dear All,

>

> Please allow me to stick my nose in where it does not belong,

perhaps.

>

> This thread kind of starts in the middle. I cannot find the 'seed'

> message from Sateesh to Kumar ji wherein the former presumably

> offered to discuss Mr. Bhaskar's horoscope. Prashant Kumar ji's

> response was balanced but it was posted publicly!

>

> Maybe Sateesh did write publicly here and I just could not find it

> <aging eyes!>.

>

> I think it is unwise to discuss someone's chart when a conflict is

> going on.

>

> I think it is unwise to use someone's chart to put them down or to

> make one's point.

>

> Even if the intentions are pure (!) when emotions are flared and

> people are rightly or wrongly feeling cornered or victimized or

> angry, it is not the best strategy to act wise and use their charts

> to explain what someone perceives as the reason for their reaction

or

> behaviour! It just would not do what good it is intended to at such

a

> moment ...!

>

> And, if the intention is to hurt or belittle someone (general

> statement and not specifically accusing Sateesh of trying to do

that,

> I say just to clear any confusions or misinterpretations! ), then

that

> would be a sin! Jyotish and 'hurting' must never be combined, not

> even if you are reading the chart of someone who you are currently

> feeling as your opponent and 'enemy'!

>

> I think Hitler that (used astrologers to strategize his attacks)

and

> look where he ended up!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Sateesh Batas "

<makara@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant,

> >

> > You are correct, there is no question about hurting him here.

> >

> > I assume he is reading this, and so therefore rather than me

> disturbing him on-list, we can see if he posts his permission on

the

> group - if he does, then I guess you can allow my post.

> >

> > If he does not, then we can assume the opposite.

> >

> > Many thanks - and great moderating - good to see someone

> impartial, although I know it's a difficult task.

> >

> > Best - Sateesh (not Satish!)

> >

> > ========

> >

> > -

> > Prashant Kumar G B

> >

> > Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:19 PM

> > Re: Ayanamsha vs Precession : Some Ancient Secrets

> 16/1 BM

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > I hope u can write to bhaskar personally and ask him if we can

> discuss his chart personally

> >

> > though ur post is impartial he may feel I am deliberately hurting

> him which is NOT true! [DELIBERATE]

> >

> > but he will see it only one way so pl get his explicit permission

> on this as he is not active here is scared of being under moderation

> >

> > but at times he says he is impulsive and is ok when i don't

approve

> msgs on fon but in grp mails it is exact opposite so I will give

him

> benefit of doubt here also [as one who is not active so will avoid

> topics, questions on him-till he feels ok on it]

> >

> > if u don't send to him I will copy this mail to him sometime tom,

I

> hope u do this NOW

> >

> > prashant

> >

> > .

> >

January 18, 2009

Kumarji,

Please excuse me for being direct but you are not *getting* it!

Most of these amateurish snipes at horoscopes of perceived 'enemies'

should perhaps be called " immaturish " as we have witnessed very

recently in the past week and many times before!

A horoscope belongs to the nativity and is sacred in that sense and

must never be misused! All through my astrological career I have

sought permission of the nativities to use their astrodata and have

always promised that their personal id etc will never be revealed.

It really bothers me when so called professional and established

astrologers begin to toss around astro-interpretations and suchlike

casually and carelessly and jyotish fora and their moderators allow

that...

RR

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RR ji

>

> pl be assured as Bhaskar I did not pass it for the same reason and

only if approves the idea will do it else it is a clear NO to this

person, I don't anyone to claim it is a fake ID of x, y z, he cud be

a student or a advanced astrologer I have NO IDEA and it is risky to

pass it without Bhaskars say in it

>

> and this acutally a harmless post as of now

>

> where he discussed some transits on his chart with not much said in

detail, nothing personal was said either

>

> but some extra care not to get dragged into a needless controversy

I am taking

>

> it is no fair to put anyones chart esp by name without their

persmission, more so when there is a element of mistrust

>

> prashant

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

>

> Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:11:51 AM

> Re: NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

>

> Dear Kumar ji,

>

> NEITHER Bhaskar is perfect, NOR is anyone else here, you and I

> included!

>

> I find it distasteful that he is being put in a position where he

has

> to agree by default to *agree* out of politeness or whatever to

have

> his chart on display on this forum or whereever else and picked at

by

> one and all as they choose and pick their tools!

>

> If that ever occurs here on , please note that I

have

> many charts too of internet astrologers and I will take this

> personally and post those with astrological comments at various

> places and at various times!

>

> I am not a fan of Bhaskar or have any special affinity with him --

> but I do believe in astrological dignity! Something that even

casual

> astrologers MUST POSSESS and DEMONSTRATE!

>

> Rohiniranjan

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RRji,

> >

> > the supposed mail on a reading abt Bhasjar is still in the quee-

> unapproved/under moderation

> >

> > I don't want to take a risk of allowing it in the group when he

is

> not active here so I asked him to seek his permission and then I

will

> allow it that is what he has also come on now to say

> >

> > so peace at initial stage is ensured If Bhaskar has no problem

with

> it can be allowed else will stand in the not posted lot till it

> lapses on its own the default 14 day period

> >

> > this is a a attempt to protect group peace, space. but can be

> misunderstood as a ploy to hurt him even if that is not the idea of

> the poster

> >

> > prashant

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> >

> > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:46:47 AM

> > NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Please allow me to stick my nose in where it does not belong,

> perhaps.

> >

> > This thread kind of starts in the middle. I cannot find

the 'seed'

> > message from Sateesh to Kumar ji wherein the former presumably

> > offered to discuss Mr. Bhaskar's horoscope. Prashant Kumar ji's

> > response was balanced but it was posted publicly!

> >

> > Maybe Sateesh did write publicly here and I just could not find

it

> > <aging eyes!>.

> >

> > I think it is unwise to discuss someone's chart when a conflict

is

> > going on.

> >

> > I think it is unwise to use someone's chart to put them down or

to

> > make one's point.

> >

> > Even if the intentions are pure (!) when emotions are flared and

> > people are rightly or wrongly feeling cornered or victimized or

> > angry, it is not the best strategy to act wise and use their

charts

> > to explain what someone perceives as the reason for their

reaction

> or

> > behaviour! It just would not do what good it is intended to at

such

> a

> > moment ...!

> >

> > And, if the intention is to hurt or belittle someone (general

> > statement and not specifically accusing Sateesh of trying to do

> that,

> > I say just to clear any confusions or misinterpretations! ), then

> that

> > would be a sin! Jyotish and 'hurting' must never be combined, not

> > even if you are reading the chart of someone who you are

currently

> > feeling as your opponent and 'enemy'!

> >

> > I think Hitler that (used astrologers to strategize his attacks)

> and

> > look where he ended up!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Sateesh Batas "

> <makara@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant,

> > >

> > > You are correct, there is no question about hurting him here.

> > >

> > > I assume he is reading this, and so therefore rather than me

> > disturbing him on-list, we can see if he posts his permission on

> the

> > group - if he does, then I guess you can allow my post.

> > >

> > > If he does not, then we can assume the opposite.

> > >

> > > Many thanks - and great moderating - good to see someone

> > impartial, although I know it's a difficult task.

> > >

> > > Best - Sateesh (not Satish!)

> > >

> > > ========

> > >

> > > -

> > > Prashant Kumar G B

> > >

> > > Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:19 PM

> > > Re: Ayanamsha vs Precession : Some Ancient

Secrets

> > 16/1 BM

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

> > > I hope u can write to bhaskar personally and ask him if we can

> > discuss his chart personally

> > >

> > > though ur post is impartial he may feel I am deliberately

hurting

> > him which is NOT true! [DELIBERATE]

> > >

> > > but he will see it only one way so pl get his explicit

permission

> > on this as he is not active here is scared of being under

moderation

> > >

> > > but at times he says he is impulsive and is ok when i don't

> approve

> > msgs on fon but in grp mails it is exact opposite so I will give

> him

> > benefit of doubt here also [as one who is not active so will

avoid

> > topics, questions on him-till he feels ok on it]

> > >

> > > if u don't send to him I will copy this mail to him sometime

tom,

> I

> > hope u do this NOW

> > >

> > > prashant

> > >

> > > .

> > >

January 18, 2009

Dear RRji

the point is have i allowed it u/n

did I not ask him to get Bhaskars permission y/n

if it comes from him it will appear here and they have to deal with it between

them

till such time it is a non existant mail for public and as most forums do say

when u post ur data in the forum it is understood it is no longer private

STILL I AM TAKING THE EXTRA STEP just not to indirectly also offend anyone,

today it can be him later it can be anyone even me.

but I am sure that my horoscope was discussed very sarcastically, -vely by him a

few times.,

even recently in AIAI without any history of disturbance with him there he did

TALK IN 5TH HOUSE ISSUES ON ME

with no supporting astrological data, chart details WITH FULL MALICE NOT EVEN

PROOF OF what he said swindling JR members...

but trust me I will never do it, or allow them to do it let them be visible in

their true colors outside, I am least bothered initially i used to react not

much now.

I WONT allow anyone to use this forum for their personal agenda

in this case it was a discussion only if it appears u ma y see it as much ado

abt nothing...!

But i sincerely hope this message is posted in other forums and save me the

embarrassment of proof reading every bit.

Prashant

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:42:56 AM

Re: NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

Kumarji,

Please excuse me for being direct but you are not *getting* it!

Most of these amateurish snipes at horoscopes of perceived 'enemies'

should perhaps be called " immaturish " as we have witnessed very

recently in the past week and many times before!

A horoscope belongs to the nativity and is sacred in that sense and

must never be misused! All through my astrological career I have

sought permission of the nativities to use their astrodata and have

always promised that their personal id etc will never be revealed.

It really bothers me when so called professional and established

astrologers begin to toss around astro-interpretatio ns and suchlike

casually and carelessly and jyotish fora and their moderators allow

that...

RR

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear RR ji

>

> pl be assured as Bhaskar I did not pass it for the same reason and

only if approves the idea will do it else it is a clear NO to this

person, I don't anyone to claim it is a fake ID of x, y z, he cud be

a student or a advanced astrologer I have NO IDEA and it is risky to

pass it without Bhaskars say in it

>

> and this acutally a harmless post as of now

>

> where he discussed some transits on his chart with not much said in

detail, nothing personal was said either

>

> but some extra care not to get dragged into a needless controversy

I am taking

>

> it is no fair to put anyones chart esp by name without their

persmission, more so when there is a element of mistrust

>

> prashant

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

>

> Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:11:51 AM

> Re: NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

>

> Dear Kumar ji,

>

> NEITHER Bhaskar is perfect, NOR is anyone else here, you and I

> included!

>

> I find it distasteful that he is being put in a position where he

has

> to agree by default to *agree* out of politeness or whatever to

have

> his chart on display on this forum or whereever else and picked at

by

> one and all as they choose and pick their tools!

>

> If that ever occurs here on , please note that I

have

> many charts too of internet astrologers and I will take this

> personally and post those with astrological comments at various

> places and at various times!

>

> I am not a fan of Bhaskar or have any special affinity with him --

> but I do believe in astrological dignity! Something that even

casual

> astrologers MUST POSSESS and DEMONSTRATE!

>

> Rohiniranjan

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RRji,

> >

> > the supposed mail on a reading abt Bhasjar is still in the quee-

> unapproved/under moderation

> >

> > I don't want to take a risk of allowing it in the group when he

is

> not active here so I asked him to seek his permission and then I

will

> allow it that is what he has also come on now to say

> >

> > so peace at initial stage is ensured If Bhaskar has no problem

with

> it can be allowed else will stand in the not posted lot till it

> lapses on its own the default 14 day period

> >

> > this is a a attempt to protect group peace, space. but can be

> misunderstood as a ploy to hurt him even if that is not the idea of

> the poster

> >

> > prashant

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> >

> > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:46:47 AM

> > NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Please allow me to stick my nose in where it does not belong,

> perhaps.

> >

> > This thread kind of starts in the middle. I cannot find

the 'seed'

> > message from Sateesh to Kumar ji wherein the former presumably

> > offered to discuss Mr. Bhaskar's horoscope. Prashant Kumar ji's

> > response was balanced but it was posted publicly!

> >

> > Maybe Sateesh did write publicly here and I just could not find

it

> > <aging eyes!>.

> >

> > I think it is unwise to discuss someone's chart when a conflict

is

> > going on.

> >

> > I think it is unwise to use someone's chart to put them down or

to

> > make one's point.

> >

> > Even if the intentions are pure (!) when emotions are flared and

> > people are rightly or wrongly feeling cornered or victimized or

> > angry, it is not the best strategy to act wise and use their

charts

> > to explain what someone perceives as the reason for their

reaction

> or

> > behaviour! It just would not do what good it is intended to at

such

> a

> > moment ...!

> >

> > And, if the intention is to hurt or belittle someone (general

> > statement and not specifically accusing Sateesh of trying to do

> that,

> > I say just to clear any confusions or misinterpretations! ), then

> that

> > would be a sin! Jyotish and 'hurting' must never be combined, not

> > even if you are reading the chart of someone who you are

currently

> > feeling as your opponent and 'enemy'!

> >

> > I think Hitler that (used astrologers to strategize his attacks)

> and

> > look where he ended up!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Sateesh Batas "

> <makara@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant,

> > >

> > > You are correct, there is no question about hurting him here.

> > >

> > > I assume he is reading this, and so therefore rather than me

> > disturbing him on-list, we can see if he posts his permission on

> the

> > group - if he does, then I guess you can allow my post.

> > >

> > > If he does not, then we can assume the opposite.

> > >

> > > Many thanks - and great moderating - good to see someone

> > impartial, although I know it's a difficult task.

> > >

> > > Best - Sateesh (not Satish!)

> > >

> > > ========

> > >

> > > -

> > > Prashant Kumar G B

> > >

> > > Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:19 PM

> > > Re: Ayanamsha vs Precession : Some Ancient

Secrets

> > 16/1 BM

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

> > > I hope u can write to bhaskar personally and ask him if we can

> > discuss his chart personally

> > >

> > > though ur post is impartial he may feel I am deliberately

hurting

> > him which is NOT true! [DELIBERATE]

> > >

> > > but he will see it only one way so pl get his explicit

permission

> > on this as he is not active here is scared of being under

moderation

> > >

> > > but at times he says he is impulsive and is ok when i don't

> approve

> > msgs on fon but in grp mails it is exact opposite so I will give

> him

> > benefit of doubt here also [as one who is not active so will

avoid

> > topics, questions on him-till he feels ok on it]

> > >

> > > if u don't send to him I will copy this mail to him sometime

tom,

> I

> > hope u do this NOW

> > >

> > > prashant

> > >

> > > .

> > >

January 18, 2009

Kumar ji,

I trust you that you will not ever allow a member to be 'battered' on

an astrological basis ...

particularly after experiencing as we all did that even the OWNER is

not immune and can get battered similarly on his own forum!

Democracy has a price. It is called FAIRNESS and TRANSPARENCY and

Tanvir DEMONSTRATED that recently for himself and this forum!

BRAVO Tanvir!

Rohiniranjan

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RRji

>

> the point is have i allowed it u/n

>

> did I not ask him to get Bhaskars permission y/n

>

> if it comes from him it will appear here and they have to deal with

it between them

>

> till such time it is a non existant mail for public and as most

forums do say when u post ur data in the forum it is understood it is

no longer private

>

> STILL I AM TAKING THE EXTRA STEP just not to indirectly also offend

anyone, today it can be him later it can be anyone even me.

>

> but I am sure that my horoscope was discussed very sarcastically, -

vely by him a few times.,

> even recently in AIAI without any history of disturbance with him

there he did TALK IN 5TH HOUSE ISSUES ON ME

>

> with no supporting astrological data, chart details WITH FULL

MALICE NOT EVEN PROOF OF what he said swindling JR members...

>

> but trust me I will never do it, or allow them to do it let them be

visible in their true colors outside, I am least bothered initially i

used to react not much now.

>

> I WONT allow anyone to use this forum for their personal agenda

>

> in this case it was a discussion only if it appears u ma y see it

as much ado abt nothing...!

>

> But i sincerely hope this message is posted in other forums and

save me the embarrassment of proof reading every bit.

>

> Prashant

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

>

> Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:42:56 AM

> Re: NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

>

> Kumarji,

>

> Please excuse me for being direct but you are not *getting* it!

>

> Most of these amateurish snipes at horoscopes of

perceived 'enemies'

> should perhaps be called " immaturish " as we have witnessed very

> recently in the past week and many times before!

>

> A horoscope belongs to the nativity and is sacred in that sense and

> must never be misused! All through my astrological career I have

> sought permission of the nativities to use their astrodata and have

> always promised that their personal id etc will never be revealed.

>

> It really bothers me when so called professional and established

> astrologers begin to toss around astro-interpretatio ns and

suchlike

> casually and carelessly and jyotish fora and their moderators allow

> that...

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RR ji

> >

> > pl be assured as Bhaskar I did not pass it for the same reason

and

> only if approves the idea will do it else it is a clear NO to this

> person, I don't anyone to claim it is a fake ID of x, y z, he cud

be

> a student or a advanced astrologer I have NO IDEA and it is risky

to

> pass it without Bhaskars say in it

> >

> > and this acutally a harmless post as of now

> >

> > where he discussed some transits on his chart with not much said

in

> detail, nothing personal was said either

> >

> > but some extra care not to get dragged into a needless

controversy

> I am taking

> >

> > it is no fair to put anyones chart esp by name without their

> persmission, more so when there is a element of mistrust

> >

> > prashant

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> >

> > Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:11:51 AM

> > Re: NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

> >

> > Dear Kumar ji,

> >

> > NEITHER Bhaskar is perfect, NOR is anyone else here, you and I

> > included!

> >

> > I find it distasteful that he is being put in a position where he

> has

> > to agree by default to *agree* out of politeness or whatever to

> have

> > his chart on display on this forum or whereever else and picked

at

> by

> > one and all as they choose and pick their tools!

> >

> > If that ever occurs here on , please note that I

> have

> > many charts too of internet astrologers and I will take this

> > personally and post those with astrological comments at various

> > places and at various times!

> >

> > I am not a fan of Bhaskar or have any special affinity with him --

> > but I do believe in astrological dignity! Something that even

> casual

> > astrologers MUST POSSESS and DEMONSTRATE!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RRji,

> > >

> > > the supposed mail on a reading abt Bhasjar is still in the quee-

> > unapproved/under moderation

> > >

> > > I don't want to take a risk of allowing it in the group when he

> is

> > not active here so I asked him to seek his permission and then I

> will

> > allow it that is what he has also come on now to say

> > >

> > > so peace at initial stage is ensured If Bhaskar has no problem

> with

> > it can be allowed else will stand in the not posted lot till it

> > lapses on its own the default 14 day period

> > >

> > > this is a a attempt to protect group peace, space. but can be

> > misunderstood as a ploy to hurt him even if that is not the idea

of

> > the poster

> > >

> > > prashant

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > >

> > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:46:47 AM

> > > NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Please allow me to stick my nose in where it does not belong,

> > perhaps.

> > >

> > > This thread kind of starts in the middle. I cannot find

> the 'seed'

> > > message from Sateesh to Kumar ji wherein the former presumably

> > > offered to discuss Mr. Bhaskar's horoscope. Prashant Kumar ji's

> > > response was balanced but it was posted publicly!

> > >

> > > Maybe Sateesh did write publicly here and I just could not find

> it

> > > <aging eyes!>.

> > >

> > > I think it is unwise to discuss someone's chart when a conflict

> is

> > > going on.

> > >

> > > I think it is unwise to use someone's chart to put them down or

> to

> > > make one's point.

> > >

> > > Even if the intentions are pure (!) when emotions are flared

and

> > > people are rightly or wrongly feeling cornered or victimized or

> > > angry, it is not the best strategy to act wise and use their

> charts

> > > to explain what someone perceives as the reason for their

> reaction

> > or

> > > behaviour! It just would not do what good it is intended to at

> such

> > a

> > > moment ...!

> > >

> > > And, if the intention is to hurt or belittle someone (general

> > > statement and not specifically accusing Sateesh of trying to do

> > that,

> > > I say just to clear any confusions or misinterpretations! ),

then

> > that

> > > would be a sin! Jyotish and 'hurting' must never be combined,

not

> > > even if you are reading the chart of someone who you are

> currently

> > > feeling as your opponent and 'enemy'!

> > >

> > > I think Hitler that (used astrologers to strategize his

attacks)

> > and

> > > look where he ended up!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " Sateesh Batas "

> > <makara@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > You are correct, there is no question about hurting him here.

> > > >

> > > > I assume he is reading this, and so therefore rather than me

> > > disturbing him on-list, we can see if he posts his permission

on

> > the

> > > group - if he does, then I guess you can allow my post.

> > > >

> > > > If he does not, then we can assume the opposite.

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks - and great moderating - good to see

someone

> > > impartial, although I know it's a difficult task.

> > > >

> > > > Best - Sateesh (not Satish!)

> > > >

> > > > ========

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Prashant Kumar G B

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:19 PM

> > > > Re: Ayanamsha vs Precession : Some Ancient

> Secrets

> > > 16/1 BM

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > >

> > > > I hope u can write to bhaskar personally and ask him if we

can

> > > discuss his chart personally

> > > >

> > > > though ur post is impartial he may feel I am deliberately

> hurting

> > > him which is NOT true! [DELIBERATE]

> > > >

> > > > but he will see it only one way so pl get his explicit

> permission

> > > on this as he is not active here is scared of being under

> moderation

> > > >

> > > > but at times he says he is impulsive and is ok when i don't

> > approve

> > > msgs on fon but in grp mails it is exact opposite so I will

give

> > him

> > > benefit of doubt here also [as one who is not active so will

> avoid

> > > topics, questions on him-till he feels ok on it]

> > > >

> > > > if u don't send to him I will copy this mail to him sometime

> tom,

> > I

> > > hope u do this NOW

> > > >

> > > > prashant

> > > >

> > > > .

> > > >

January 18, 2009

I am sorry RR Ji and Prashant Ji that I haven't been following the discussion...

so I really don't know what is going on!

Can anyone explain in a line.

< Smile >

Regards

Tanvir

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Rohiniranjan

Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:08 PM

Re: NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

Kumar ji,

I trust you that you will not ever allow a member to be 'battered' on

an astrological basis ...

particularly after experiencing as we all did that even the OWNER is

not immune and can get battered similarly on his own forum!

Democracy has a price. It is called FAIRNESS and TRANSPARENCY and

Tanvir DEMONSTRATED that recently for himself and this forum!

BRAVO Tanvir!

Rohiniranjan

January 18, 2009

Don't worry, everything is cool! :-)

I was just expressing my viewpoint that when there is a conflict in

progress the horoscopes of the two parties should not be discussed in

public forums to make a 'point'!

RR

, " Tanvir " <tanweera

wrote:

>

> I am sorry RR Ji and Prashant Ji that I haven't been following the

discussion... so I really don't know what is going on!

>

> Can anyone explain in a line.

>

> < Smile >

>

> Regards

> Tanvir

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

remedies

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> -

> Rohiniranjan

>

> Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:08 PM

> Re: NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

>

> Kumar ji,

>

> I trust you that you will not ever allow a member to

be 'battered' on

> an astrological basis ...

>

> particularly after experiencing as we all did that even the OWNER

is

> not immune and can get battered similarly on his own forum!

>

> Democracy has a price. It is called FAIRNESS and TRANSPARENCY and

> Tanvir DEMONSTRATED that recently for himself and this forum!

>

> BRAVO Tanvir!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

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