Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Bhora, this is what he has used -proof lies in eating [porridge] it is said, it may be simpler for u to locate some ol ISSUES OF AM esp Annual nos , sept nos of any yr has many good articles even on this, I am looking at what is applied and seen as workable, just because he said it is blind faith I am also saying that in the name of it miscrients rather than astrologers r misusing, and bringing it a bad name I am not sure if u have heard of the RAHU KALAM puja this is the latest in such series, where on Tuesdays and Fridays temple conduct rahu kalam pujas specially at least as I know in afternoons most temples r closed till 4.30 WHERE pUJAS R DONE BY AGAMA PRACTICES BUT SOME TEMPLES LIKE ttd, sabarimala ETC R BEYOND THIS. and many temples in the North but exploiting a rahu kulam period for a puja is strange not given by scriptures though BUT IN THE END whatever it is ppl r visiting a temple which we must do anyway. prashant ________________________________ msbohra62 <msbohra62 Monday, January 19, 2009 12:51:29 AM Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 Dear Prashant jee, I am not against who claim KSY,my concern is reliability and formation of these Yoga backed by ancient text. BV Raman jee have covered so many uncommon Yoga than why not so popular Yoga?Have KN Rao jee confirmed these Yoga? It is nice that you have get the opportunity to learn under a Guru.Old time Guru search for able " Shishya " but today's time we have to search able Guru. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Bhora, > > Pl get some ANNUAL NUMBERS OF B V RAMAN'S ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE and see the world tensions, trends this will show u him covering it explicitly on the examples I said. > > we cant say why he did or did not cover a yoga IN THE BOOK AND IT IS SURELY MORE THAN 300 YOGAS kn rao HAS BROUGHT SOME MORE IN HIS WORKS. > THERE R MANY FACTORS THAT SHAPE A RESULT AND WE MUST NOT FIX IT ON ONE OR TWO FACTORS, > > and KSY is a abused yoga b t greedy ppl will say so no problem but wishing it away is not tthe way. > > > I have studied under a Guru for a long time to say it confidently since 86-2002 inspite of my depth in the subject felt worthwhile being under him even today if time permits will do it. he has called me to assist him when he is overloaded now with advanced age at 86 is seeing less no of ppl anyway. some I do anser by e-mail to his grand daughter who passes them to the clients when he is sick or unable to meet his commitment. > > > prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:59:58 PM > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > I could not dare to put any question mark on B.V.Raman jee,I am using > his so many books.As like 300 Yogas, in this book he have given most > of Yogas but you will not find these two Yogas.Where these two were > also famous in his life and it is not possible to untouched them by BV > Raman jee if he find there reliability. > > As per Pt.Nehru jee's ,he was Cancer Ascendant and you will find many > cancer person have the same problems,what are reason we have to > search.As about so called KSY Sachin Tendulkar have,Murari Bapu have, > there is not bad effect as says.Every one on the earth have some > benefice and some malefic result in his life.That is not mean we > justify the reason by our view of angle only. > > Rahu & ketu are nods,even they depended on occupied sign to exhibit > his result.We considering them planet but the are not have any > Physical existence. > > We are not having any Gurukul system and it is very difficult to > choose right Guru so we are learning by books and by experiences of > our and others only.Commercial aspects have polluted the pure > knowledge in every field. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Bhora, > > > > u have answered it as I have also in a earlier post " all applicabe > factors have a role " so it can be good or bad based on it > > > > J Nehru our 1ST PM had it, it did not stop him from being PM for so > long so it is a good one he suffered w.r.t marriage as most time wwa > in jail or hospital with his sick wife who die of TB quite early, he > did have affairs in between to keep his cool so some drawbacks,. some > gains u will find several ppl who had both good and bad results again > applicable factors have a role > > > > none of us have read as much as B V RAMAN ji has so I take his > words, works seriously > > > > if we ignore Raman ji and swami vivekananda [for Hinduism' survival > today] tyhen it is disservice to the subject in question- ramaji > masterd vedas and met several scholars world over, so has KN RAO ji > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:23:55 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > These are good result or bad result after all? > > > > We should know the real positions of all planets which contribute to > > give the final result.It has to be analyse the whole chart before any > > conclusion. > > > > It was my views and other may have their views. we respect each others > > views.But i have not find any references about these yogas.If you have > > than please share it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhora, > > > > > > It is unfair to say that the 2 much bashed points in astrology KSY, > > SADE SAAT [and 3rdly Mangalik] have NO RELEVANCE > > > > > > B V RAMANji has used this references in many situations esp his WW1 > > AND WW2 FORECASTS Indian Independence, UNO founding charts etc > > > > > > so they exist the point is the exploitation of it by less qualified > > astrologers or purohits who use it cleverly to make money from fear > > [this is sad and BAD] > > > > > > they do exist and in some way or other affect ppl again depending on > > other applicable factors > > > > > > dasa, strength of grahas, ashtakavarga, Yogas etc > > > > > > Abt 7.5 Sani > > > > > > u can see it tests a person by fire and the strong survive weak fall > > down by their own short comings sani is a hard task master, teacher, > > guide for life > > > > > > look at DEVE GOWDA WHO BECAME CM, PM in its time > > > > > > and PV Narshima rao ji who became PM in a strange situation with > > economy at its worst [like Obama is facing in US now with his Ardha > > ashtama sani] > > > > > > Narshima rao had many challenges he did so well in the end as he was > > a great scholar, visionary, statesman, but for him the ecconomoci > > might of India would have never be seen he brought Manmohan singh in > > and gave him a free had > > > > > > IT, BIOTECH , communications, came to good progress in time to lifft > > India into world stage > > > > > > he was tested by Ayodhya, Mumbai riots, defections, sri lanka, > > china, pak, bangladesh problems etc but stood tall worked his > > challenges like a ant not visible but has his imprint in history, but > > Gowda remains a sleeping leader by accident > > > > > > > > > don't discard what we don't lnow as elders have used it in the right > > way, crooks have used them in their crooked ways > > > > > > BTW MAN MOHAN SINGH IS ALSO IN MIDST OF SADE SAAT has faced enough > > challenges well so far. > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide > > a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi > > one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my > > personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for > > more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:52:18 PM > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > The most famous fear generating as well as money generating Yogas of > > > today ,in Astrological field are KSY and " Sani ki sadesathi " .Natives > > > are in fear because they said that they have these yoga and they are > > > only responsible for bad result which they are getting. > > > > > > People have different views on these two,they have their own reasons > > > and interpretations. I would like to share my view. > > > > > > These two Yogas not given in any ancient text of Astrology and there > > > is no any references about it. > > > > > > As like " Sadesati " ,for 7 and 1/2 year of transit of Saturn,from 12th > > > house to 1st by Moon Sign.It called 'Sani ki Sadesati' which comes in > > > every human life in every interval of 30 years.You will not find any > > > one to suffer for this period.See the all Mukesh Ambani,Anil > > > Ambani,Sunil Mittal,Ratan Tata,Laxmi Mittal....ect. Reason of bad > > > period is some thing else not this Transit of Saturn only,but fear > > > have been created because of some thing else by name of Sadesati. > > > > > > Now see KSY,this Yoga describe as all planets comes in between the > > > Nods,Rahu and Ketu.It is very interesting to know that our great > > > founder of Astrology and developer never given any Yoga as " Kal Sarp > > > Yoga " ,they have give one Yoga as " Sarp-Yoga " and in this Rahu and > > > Keatu are not involved at all. > > > > > > Maharishi Parashar have stated Sarp Yoga as " If Sun,Saturn and > > > Mars,these malefic occupies Three Kendra Sthana(1-2-3- 4) and benefice > > > occupies except Kenra Sthana,it will create " Sarp Yoga " . > > > > > > The Yoga KSY have created by some years back only, by some money > > > sucker Astrologer and Karamkandi.They have describe its 12 form > > > related to each house as like Rahu in 1st House,Rahu in 2nd house as > > > like this.The planetary position have described as all planets comes > > > in between Rahu and Ketu and if one planet beyond this they said it > > > " Aanshik KSY " .Than I would like to say there are 3456 types of KSY. > > > > > > How?If Rahu in Ascendant in Aries sign it will create one type of yoga > > > and if Ascendant sign is Taurus than it will give other result than > > > first one. As like we will get, 12 multiply 12 = 144 yoga and each > > > Yoga also form by two way R to K and K to R. than it will become 288 > > > types and one planet is beyond than again multiply by 12 it will > > > become 3456 types of Yogas.How will we describe these all Yogas? > > > > > > We are in the field of auspicious knowledge and people comes to us > > > with faith.It is our responsibilities to give them right > > > interpretation of Astrology and advise them accordingly. > > > > > > It is my vies about these Yoga,if I am wrong any where than our > > > learned senior member will correct me.No one take it as any > > > offence,every one have their own views,personal experiences and > > > assumptions. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > , " " > > > <gaurav.ghosh@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from Lagna. > > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts. The dasa sequence was Ketu, > > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position in D-6 > > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > couldn't > > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > the MD > > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > to see > > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, being > > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > auspicious.If > > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in 12th > > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > There > > > > is actually none. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > planets > > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > play(reference > > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > V.S.Sastri, > > > > Ranjan publication) . > > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > > Thank you, > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > exalted in > > > > lagna) > > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > > function. One > > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > from the > > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the > yoga to > > > > start > > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > > chart has > > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when Rahu > > > matures. > > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. This will > > > bind a > > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic than KSY > > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > This is > > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and Rahu by > > graha > > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > hard to > > > > go. Also > > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka (AK) > > > Sun and > > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, suffering is > > > > terrible. > > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > > punishment, as > > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for this > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > > vimsottory > > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of spinal > > > > cord in > > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of incidents, we > > > > may break > > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Jyotish_ Remedies]On Behalf Of Prashant > > > Kumar G B > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > > experience if u > > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa is not > > > > on so no > > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and > sani on > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH IN d9 > > > > AND RAVI > > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or chandra > > > with > > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > more > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will > differ > > > > from > > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > posting to > > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > > picture in the > > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > unknown > > > > folder. > > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > > chargeable. see > > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life > > > Member > > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > method=reportRow s & > > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@ > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am > Bangalore, > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have > been a > > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > > KSY has > > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped > person from > > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > > planets > > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely > crippled all > > > > > the > > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > > only 2 > > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Dear Kumar ji, Actually the original *root/seed* message on this thread initiated by Anand (before it got split into two threads for some good reason I am sure) was a good example! It had a lot of red-herrings in terms of mahapurusha yogas and stuff that many new jyotishis jump at hastily. Some good discussion has taken place around a variety of considerations that must be taken into account and not just KSY and even dashas were mentioned particularly the early ones that the nativity had to go through (or chose to go through as some would say!). The pudding may not be sweet, particularly for the nativity or perhaps more so for his family and care-givers but that is life! RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Bhora, > > this is what he has used -proof lies in eating [porridge] it is said, it may be simpler for u to locate some ol ISSUES OF AM esp Annual nos , sept nos of any yr has many good articles even on this, I am looking at what is applied and seen as workable, just because he said it is blind faith > > I am also saying that in the name of it miscrients rather than astrologers r misusing, and bringing it a bad name > > I am not sure if u have heard of the RAHU KALAM puja this is the latest in such series, where on Tuesdays and Fridays temple conduct rahu kalam pujas specially > > at least as I know in afternoons most temples r closed till 4.30 WHERE pUJAS R DONE BY AGAMA PRACTICES BUT SOME TEMPLES LIKE ttd, sabarimala ETC R BEYOND THIS. > and many temples in the North > > but exploiting a rahu kulam period for a puja is strange not given by scriptures though > > BUT IN THE END whatever it is ppl r visiting a temple which we must do anyway. > > prashant > > > ________________________________ > msbohra62 <msbohra62 > > Monday, January 19, 2009 12:51:29 AM > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > I am not against who claim KSY,my concern is reliability and formation > of these Yoga backed by ancient text. BV Raman jee have covered so > many uncommon Yoga than why not so popular Yoga?Have KN Rao jee > confirmed these Yoga? > > It is nice that you have get the opportunity to learn under a Guru.Old > time Guru search for able " Shishya " but today's time we have to search > able Guru. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Bhora, > > > > Pl get some ANNUAL NUMBERS OF B V RAMAN'S ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE and > see the world tensions, trends this will show u him covering it > explicitly on the examples I said. > > > > we cant say why he did or did not cover a yoga IN THE BOOK AND IT IS > SURELY MORE THAN 300 YOGAS kn rao HAS BROUGHT SOME MORE IN HIS WORKS. > > THERE R MANY FACTORS THAT SHAPE A RESULT AND WE MUST NOT FIX IT ON > ONE OR TWO FACTORS, > > > > and KSY is a abused yoga b t greedy ppl will say so no problem but > wishing it away is not tthe way. > > > > > > I have studied under a Guru for a long time to say it confidently > since 86-2002 inspite of my depth in the subject felt worthwhile being > under him even today if time permits will do it. he has called me to > assist him when he is overloaded now with advanced age at 86 is seeing > less no of ppl anyway. some I do anser by e-mail to his grand daughter > who passes them to the clients when he is sick or unable to meet his > commitment. > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:59:58 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > I could not dare to put any question mark on B.V.Raman jee,I am using > > his so many books.As like 300 Yogas, in this book he have given most > > of Yogas but you will not find these two Yogas.Where these two were > > also famous in his life and it is not possible to untouched them by BV > > Raman jee if he find there reliability. > > > > As per Pt.Nehru jee's ,he was Cancer Ascendant and you will find many > > cancer person have the same problems,what are reason we have to > > search.As about so called KSY Sachin Tendulkar have,Murari Bapu have, > > there is not bad effect as says.Every one on the earth have some > > benefice and some malefic result in his life.That is not mean we > > justify the reason by our view of angle only. > > > > Rahu & ketu are nods,even they depended on occupied sign to exhibit > > his result.We considering them planet but the are not have any > > Physical existence. > > > > We are not having any Gurukul system and it is very difficult to > > choose right Guru so we are learning by books and by experiences of > > our and others only.Commercial aspects have polluted the pure > > knowledge in every field. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Bhora, > > > > > > u have answered it as I have also in a earlier post " all applicabe > > factors have a role " so it can be good or bad based on it > > > > > > J Nehru our 1ST PM had it, it did not stop him from being PM for so > > long so it is a good one he suffered w.r.t marriage as most time wwa > > in jail or hospital with his sick wife who die of TB quite early, he > > did have affairs in between to keep his cool so some drawbacks,. some > > gains u will find several ppl who had both good and bad results again > > applicable factors have a role > > > > > > none of us have read as much as B V RAMAN ji has so I take his > > words, works seriously > > > > > > if we ignore Raman ji and swami vivekananda [for Hinduism' survival > > today] tyhen it is disservice to the subject in question- ramaji > > masterd vedas and met several scholars world over, so has KN RAO ji > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:23:55 PM > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > > > These are good result or bad result after all? > > > > > > We should know the real positions of all planets which contribute to > > > give the final result.It has to be analyse the whole chart before any > > > conclusion. > > > > > > It was my views and other may have their views. we respect each others > > > views.But i have not find any references about these yogas.If you have > > > than please share it. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhora, > > > > > > > > It is unfair to say that the 2 much bashed points in astrology KSY, > > > SADE SAAT [and 3rdly Mangalik] have NO RELEVANCE > > > > > > > > B V RAMANji has used this references in many situations esp his WW1 > > > AND WW2 FORECASTS Indian Independence, UNO founding charts etc > > > > > > > > so they exist the point is the exploitation of it by less qualified > > > astrologers or purohits who use it cleverly to make money from fear > > > [this is sad and BAD] > > > > > > > > they do exist and in some way or other affect ppl again depending on > > > other applicable factors > > > > > > > > dasa, strength of grahas, ashtakavarga, Yogas etc > > > > > > > > Abt 7.5 Sani > > > > > > > > u can see it tests a person by fire and the strong survive weak fall > > > down by their own short comings sani is a hard task master, teacher, > > > guide for life > > > > > > > > look at DEVE GOWDA WHO BECAME CM, PM in its time > > > > > > > > and PV Narshima rao ji who became PM in a strange situation with > > > economy at its worst [like Obama is facing in US now with his Ardha > > > ashtama sani] > > > > > > > > Narshima rao had many challenges he did so well in the end as he was > > > a great scholar, visionary, statesman, but for him the ecconomoci > > > might of India would have never be seen he brought Manmohan singh in > > > and gave him a free had > > > > > > > > IT, BIOTECH , communications, came to good progress in time to lifft > > > India into world stage > > > > > > > > he was tested by Ayodhya, Mumbai riots, defections, sri lanka, > > > china, pak, bangladesh problems etc but stood tall worked his > > > challenges like a ant not visible but has his imprint in history, but > > > Gowda remains a sleeping leader by accident > > > > > > > > > > > > don't discard what we don't lnow as elders have used it in the right > > > way, crooks have used them in their crooked ways > > > > > > > > BTW MAN MOHAN SINGH IS ALSO IN MIDST OF SADE SAAT has faced enough > > > challenges well so far. > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > > from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide > > > a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi > > > one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my > > > personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for > > > more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:52:18 PM > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > > > The most famous fear generating as well as money generating Yogas of > > > > today ,in Astrological field are KSY and " Sani ki sadesathi " .Natives > > > > are in fear because they said that they have these yoga and they are > > > > only responsible for bad result which they are getting. > > > > > > > > People have different views on these two,they have their own reasons > > > > and interpretations. I would like to share my view. > > > > > > > > These two Yogas not given in any ancient text of Astrology and there > > > > is no any references about it. > > > > > > > > As like " Sadesati " ,for 7 and 1/2 year of transit of Saturn,from 12th > > > > house to 1st by Moon Sign.It called 'Sani ki Sadesati' which > comes in > > > > every human life in every interval of 30 years.You will not find any > > > > one to suffer for this period.See the all Mukesh Ambani,Anil > > > > Ambani,Sunil Mittal,Ratan Tata,Laxmi Mittal....ect. Reason of bad > > > > period is some thing else not this Transit of Saturn only,but fear > > > > have been created because of some thing else by name of Sadesati. > > > > > > > > Now see KSY,this Yoga describe as all planets comes in between the > > > > Nods,Rahu and Ketu.It is very interesting to know that our great > > > > founder of Astrology and developer never given any Yoga as " Kal Sarp > > > > Yoga " ,they have give one Yoga as " Sarp-Yoga " and in this Rahu and > > > > Keatu are not involved at all. > > > > > > > > Maharishi Parashar have stated Sarp Yoga as " If Sun,Saturn and > > > > Mars,these malefic occupies Three Kendra Sthana(1-2-3- 4) and > benefice > > > > occupies except Kenra Sthana,it will create " Sarp Yoga " . > > > > > > > > The Yoga KSY have created by some years back only, by some money > > > > sucker Astrologer and Karamkandi.They have describe its 12 form > > > > related to each house as like Rahu in 1st House,Rahu in 2nd house as > > > > like this.The planetary position have described as all planets comes > > > > in between Rahu and Ketu and if one planet beyond this they said it > > > > " Aanshik KSY " .Than I would like to say there are 3456 types of KSY. > > > > > > > > How?If Rahu in Ascendant in Aries sign it will create one type > of yoga > > > > and if Ascendant sign is Taurus than it will give other result than > > > > first one. As like we will get, 12 multiply 12 = 144 yoga and each > > > > Yoga also form by two way R to K and K to R. than it will become 288 > > > > types and one planet is beyond than again multiply by 12 it will > > > > become 3456 types of Yogas.How will we describe these all Yogas? > > > > > > > > We are in the field of auspicious knowledge and people comes to us > > > > with faith.It is our responsibilities to give them right > > > > interpretation of Astrology and advise them accordingly. > > > > > > > > It is my vies about these Yoga,if I am wrong any where than our > > > > learned senior member will correct me.No one take it as any > > > > offence,every one have their own views,personal experiences and > > > > assumptions. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , " " > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from Lagna. > > > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts. The dasa sequence was Ketu, > > > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position in D-6 > > > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > > couldn't > > > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > > the MD > > > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > > to see > > > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, being > > > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > > auspicious.If > > > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in 12th > > > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > > There > > > > > is actually none. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > > planets > > > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > > play(reference > > > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > > V.S.Sastri, > > > > > Ranjan publication) . > > > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > > exalted in > > > > > lagna) > > > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > > > function. One > > > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > > from the > > > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the > > yoga to > > > > > start > > > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > > > chart has > > > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when Rahu > > > > matures. > > > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. This will > > > > bind a > > > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic > than KSY > > > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > > This is > > > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and Rahu by > > > graha > > > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > > hard to > > > > > go. Also > > > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka (AK) > > > > Sun and > > > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, > suffering is > > > > > terrible. > > > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > > > punishment, as > > > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for this > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > > > vimsottory > > > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of > spinal > > > > > cord in > > > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of > incidents, we > > > > > may break > > > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Jyotish_ Remedies]On Behalf Of > Prashant > > > > Kumar G B > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > > > experience if u > > > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa > is not > > > > > on so no > > > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and > > sani on > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH > IN d9 > > > > > AND RAVI > > > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or > chandra > > > > with > > > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > > more > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will > > differ > > > > > from > > > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > > posting to > > > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > > > picture in the > > > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > > unknown > > > > > folder. > > > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > > > chargeable. see > > > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life > > > > Member > > > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > > method=reportRow s & > > > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am > > Bangalore, > > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have > > been a > > > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > > > KSY has > > > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped > > person from > > > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > > > planets > > > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely > > crippled all > > > > > > the > > > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > > > only 2 > > > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ > Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Dear Gaurav, Are you having Jup in trine or in 7H from Navamsa lagna? Must be, else correct your chart. Because you have knowledge in Sanskrit. I am zero in sanskrit, so reading original texts and understanding meaning is not possible and I never try it. So I only follow my master's words. Regards Jk On Behalf Of Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:48 PM Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Dasgupta, I have gone through Jatak Parijata again to find any corrupted meaning/translation by Late Shree V.S.Shastri, who has done translation of various books like Brihat Jataka, Horasara, UttarKalamrita, Sripati Paddhati etc & was a scholar. If that be the case,lets see what is the original text in Jatak Parijata:- " Lagnaadisaptagrihagaa yadi saptakhetaa jaato mahipatiranekagajaashwanaathah|.... " --meaning " lagnaadi " , starting from the Lagna till 7th house " Saptagrihagaa " ... " yadi saptakhetaa " if seven planets happen to occupy(khetaa-planets).. " jaato mahipatih " ...person with such combination is a king " aneka-gaja-ashwa-naathah " -...he becomes owner of many elephants & horses. I guess this meaning is not corrupted now. I have gone through BPHS, unfortunately I couldn't find Graha Malika Yoga in Nabhas Yogas chapter. However there is Mala Yoga or Srak Yoga, in akriti yogas category, which says " Kendratrayegataih saumyaei " ...the three kendras(kendratraye) should be occupied by benefics(soumye), & these confer benefic results. Yes, Astrology is definitely a divine subject who should be learnt from the right & experienced master. I never had the opportunity learn it from the right master, as my parents would never allow me.However, as a friend, I learnt it informally from my astrologer who has more than 70years experience in astrology. A grahamalika yoga is a grahamalika yoga ....there is nothing small or big.regarding KSY, I have my own reservations, & I dont accept this obnoxious yoga, since it has no classical validity. Thank you, . , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Why you want to throw away your books? All scriptures are of equal > importance. But we have to understand it. Also many available translations > are corrupted and cannot be fully depended upon. Jyotish is a devine subject > and it is always better to learn it from a master. > > Please have a look at, > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3963/dasamsa.html > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/yoga-basics.html > > As far as I remember, Parasara mentions about akriti yoga in the yoga > chapter. The Graha mallika is a sub class from the Aakriti yoga. > > However, I strictly follow the teaching of my parampara. I have been taught > that even small GMY consisting of 3 houses only also have some effect. And > when this full yoga is prominent in a chart, normal vimsottory dasa does not > work. We use a special dasa mentioned in Agnipurana. > > This yoga is given equal impotance after KSY/KAY. But you hardly get any > direct reference of KSY/KAY in scriptures. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:26 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > Can you please quote any classic which is supportive of your view???It > would be really pleasure & if I am convinced, I can certainly throw > Jatak parijata to the trash can or since it is valuable, may donate it > to the needy, who doesn't have it. > > Thank you, > . > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > For GMY it is not necessary that 7 planets will be in 7 houses. When > there > > are planets in 5 houses in line is a full GMY. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:50 PM > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from Lagna. > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > Next comes the condition of D-charts. The dasa sequence was Ketu, > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position in D-6 > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why couldn't > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through the MD > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able to see > > Saturn MD in his life. > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, being > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered auspicious.If > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in 12th > > house & 8th house respectively. > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). There > > is actually none. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven planets > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to play(reference > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late V.S.Sastri, > > Ranjan publication). > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > Thank you, > > . > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn exalted in > > lagna) > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > function. One > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > from the > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the yoga to > > start > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > chart has > > > following problems, > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when Rahu > matures. > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. This will > bind a > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic than KSY > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > This is > > > extremely harmfull > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and Rahu by > graha > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is hard to > > go. Also > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka (AK) > Sun and > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, suffering is > > terrible. > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > punishment, as > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for this > chart. > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > vimsottory > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of spinal > > cord in > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of incidents, we > > may break > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Prashant > Kumar G B > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur experience if u > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa is not > > on so no > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and sani on > > other > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH IN d9 > > AND RAVI > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or chandra > with > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many more > > examples > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > from > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > posting to > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > picture in the > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown > > folder. > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > chargeable. see > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life > Member > > > ICAS. > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@> > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am Bangalore, > > > India. > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have been a > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But KSY has > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped person from > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 planets > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely crippled all > > > the > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > only 2 > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Dear Prashantji and Bohraji, You are right the Kala-Sarpa yoga has been exploited very badly by some Astrologers. The name itself can invoke a kind of fear in the lay person. What is actually funny is a lot of times in my experience the Kala amrit Yoga has also been put under the same scanner as KSY.  Similarly the myths and fears concerning Saturn are doing the rounds all the time. Nobody even mentions Jupiter or Mercury , though they can be param marakas.  Perhaps we should start a thread here on the benevolence of Saturn and the nodes. If nothing it will educate the prediction seeker to be more discerning.  Also teach some to question the learned pundits featuring on Television shows and putting the fear of death into common persons!! Take care Vats   --- On Mon, 19/1/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 Monday, 19 January, 2009, 10:39 AM Bhora, this is what he has used -proof lies in eating [porridge] it is said, it may be simpler for u to locate some ol ISSUES OF AM esp Annual nos , sept nos of any yr has many good articles even on this, I am looking at what is applied and seen as workable, just because he said it is blind faith I am also saying that in the name of it miscrients rather than astrologers r misusing, and bringing it a bad name I am not sure if u have heard of the RAHU KALAM puja this is the latest in such series, where on Tuesdays and Fridays temple conduct rahu kalam pujas specially at least as I know in afternoons most temples r closed till 4.30 WHERE pUJAS R DONE BY AGAMA PRACTICES BUT SOME TEMPLES LIKE ttd, sabarimala ETC R BEYOND THIS. and many temples in the North but exploiting a rahu kulam period for a puja is strange not given by scriptures though BUT IN THE END whatever it is ppl r visiting a temple which we must do anyway. prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Monday, January 19, 2009 12:51:29 AM Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 Dear Prashant jee, I am not against who claim KSY,my concern is reliability and formation of these Yoga backed by ancient text. BV Raman jee have covered so many uncommon Yoga than why not so popular Yoga?Have KN Rao jee confirmed these Yoga? It is nice that you have get the opportunity to learn under a Guru.Old time Guru search for able " Shishya " but today's time we have to search able Guru. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Bhora, > > Pl get some ANNUAL NUMBERS OF B V RAMAN'S ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE and see the world tensions, trends this will show u him covering it explicitly on the examples I said. > > we cant say why he did or did not cover a yoga IN THE BOOK AND IT IS SURELY MORE THAN 300 YOGAS kn rao HAS BROUGHT SOME MORE IN HIS WORKS. > THERE R MANY FACTORS THAT SHAPE A RESULT AND WE MUST NOT FIX IT ON ONE OR TWO FACTORS, > > and KSY is a abused yoga b t greedy ppl will say so no problem but wishing it away is not tthe way. > > > I have studied under a Guru for a long time to say it confidently since 86-2002 inspite of my depth in the subject felt worthwhile being under him even today if time permits will do it. he has called me to assist him when he is overloaded now with advanced age at 86 is seeing less no of ppl anyway. some I do anser by e-mail to his grand daughter who passes them to the clients when he is sick or unable to meet his commitment. > > > prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:59:58 PM > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > I could not dare to put any question mark on B.V.Raman jee,I am using > his so many books.As like 300 Yogas, in this book he have given most > of Yogas but you will not find these two Yogas.Where these two were > also famous in his life and it is not possible to untouched them by BV > Raman jee if he find there reliability. > > As per Pt.Nehru jee's ,he was Cancer Ascendant and you will find many > cancer person have the same problems,what are reason we have to > search.As about so called KSY Sachin Tendulkar have,Murari Bapu have, > there is not bad effect as says.Every one on the earth have some > benefice and some malefic result in his life.That is not mean we > justify the reason by our view of angle only. > > Rahu & ketu are nods,even they depended on occupied sign to exhibit > his result.We considering them planet but the are not have any > Physical existence. > > We are not having any Gurukul system and it is very difficult to > choose right Guru so we are learning by books and by experiences of > our and others only.Commercial aspects have polluted the pure > knowledge in every field. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Bhora, > > > > u have answered it as I have also in a earlier post " all applicabe > factors have a role " so it can be good or bad based on it > > > > J Nehru our 1ST PM had it, it did not stop him from being PM for so > long so it is a good one he suffered w.r.t marriage as most time wwa > in jail or hospital with his sick wife who die of TB quite early, he > did have affairs in between to keep his cool so some drawbacks,. some > gains u will find several ppl who had both good and bad results again > applicable factors have a role > > > > none of us have read as much as B V RAMAN ji has so I take his > words, works seriously > > > > if we ignore Raman ji and swami vivekananda [for Hinduism' survival > today] tyhen it is disservice to the subject in question- ramaji > masterd vedas and met several scholars world over, so has KN RAO ji > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:23:55 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > These are good result or bad result after all? > > > > We should know the real positions of all planets which contribute to > > give the final result.It has to be analyse the whole chart before any > > conclusion. > > > > It was my views and other may have their views. we respect each others > > views.But i have not find any references about these yogas.If you have > > than please share it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhora, > > > > > > It is unfair to say that the 2 much bashed points in astrology KSY, > > SADE SAAT [and 3rdly Mangalik] have NO RELEVANCE > > > > > > B V RAMANji has used this references in many situations esp his WW1 > > AND WW2 FORECASTS Indian Independence, UNO founding charts etc > > > > > > so they exist the point is the exploitation of it by less qualified > > astrologers or purohits who use it cleverly to make money from fear > > [this is sad and BAD] > > > > > > they do exist and in some way or other affect ppl again depending on > > other applicable factors > > > > > > dasa, strength of grahas, ashtakavarga, Yogas etc > > > > > > Abt 7.5 Sani > > > > > > u can see it tests a person by fire and the strong survive weak fall > > down by their own short comings sani is a hard task master, teacher, > > guide for life > > > > > > look at DEVE GOWDA WHO BECAME CM, PM in its time > > > > > > and PV Narshima rao ji who became PM in a strange situation with > > economy at its worst [like Obama is facing in US now with his Ardha > > ashtama sani] > > > > > > Narshima rao had many challenges he did so well in the end as he was > > a great scholar, visionary, statesman, but for him the ecconomoci > > might of India would have never be seen he brought Manmohan singh in > > and gave him a free had > > > > > > IT, BIOTECH , communications, came to good progress in time to lifft > > India into world stage > > > > > > he was tested by Ayodhya, Mumbai riots, defections, sri lanka, > > china, pak, bangladesh problems etc but stood tall worked his > > challenges like a ant not visible but has his imprint in history, but > > Gowda remains a sleeping leader by accident > > > > > > > > > don't discard what we don't lnow as elders have used it in the right > > way, crooks have used them in their crooked ways > > > > > > BTW MAN MOHAN SINGH IS ALSO IN MIDST OF SADE SAAT has faced enough > > challenges well so far. > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide > > a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi > > one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my > > personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for > > more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:52:18 PM > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > The most famous fear generating as well as money generating Yogas of > > > today ,in Astrological field are KSY and " Sani ki sadesathi " .Natives > > > are in fear because they said that they have these yoga and they are > > > only responsible for bad result which they are getting. > > > > > > People have different views on these two,they have their own reasons > > > and interpretations. I would like to share my view. > > > > > > These two Yogas not given in any ancient text of Astrology and there > > > is no any references about it. > > > > > > As like " Sadesati " ,for 7 and 1/2 year of transit of Saturn,from 12th > > > house to 1st by Moon Sign.It called 'Sani ki Sadesati' which comes in > > > every human life in every interval of 30 years.You will not find any > > > one to suffer for this period.See the all Mukesh Ambani,Anil > > > Ambani,Sunil Mittal,Ratan Tata,Laxmi Mittal....ect. Reason of bad > > > period is some thing else not this Transit of Saturn only,but fear > > > have been created because of some thing else by name of Sadesati. > > > > > > Now see KSY,this Yoga describe as all planets comes in between the > > > Nods,Rahu and Ketu.It is very interesting to know that our great > > > founder of Astrology and developer never given any Yoga as " Kal Sarp > > > Yoga " ,they have give one Yoga as " Sarp-Yoga " and in this Rahu and > > > Keatu are not involved at all. > > > > > > Maharishi Parashar have stated Sarp Yoga as " If Sun,Saturn and > > > Mars,these malefic occupies Three Kendra Sthana(1-2-3- 4) and benefice > > > occupies except Kenra Sthana,it will create " Sarp Yoga " . > > > > > > The Yoga KSY have created by some years back only, by some money > > > sucker Astrologer and Karamkandi.They have describe its 12 form > > > related to each house as like Rahu in 1st House,Rahu in 2nd house as > > > like this.The planetary position have described as all planets comes > > > in between Rahu and Ketu and if one planet beyond this they said it > > > " Aanshik KSY " .Than I would like to say there are 3456 types of KSY. > > > > > > How?If Rahu in Ascendant in Aries sign it will create one type of yoga > > > and if Ascendant sign is Taurus than it will give other result than > > > first one. As like we will get, 12 multiply 12 = 144 yoga and each > > > Yoga also form by two way R to K and K to R. than it will become 288 > > > types and one planet is beyond than again multiply by 12 it will > > > become 3456 types of Yogas.How will we describe these all Yogas? > > > > > > We are in the field of auspicious knowledge and people comes to us > > > with faith.It is our responsibilities to give them right > > > interpretation of Astrology and advise them accordingly. > > > > > > It is my vies about these Yoga,if I am wrong any where than our > > > learned senior member will correct me.No one take it as any > > > offence,every one have their own views,personal experiences and > > > assumptions. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > , " " > > > <gaurav.ghosh@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from Lagna. > > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts. The dasa sequence was Ketu, > > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position in D-6 > > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > couldn't > > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > the MD > > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > to see > > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, being > > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > auspicious.If > > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in 12th > > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > There > > > > is actually none. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > planets > > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > play(reference > > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > V.S.Sastri, > > > > Ranjan publication) . > > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > > Thank you, > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > exalted in > > > > lagna) > > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > > function. One > > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > from the > > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the > yoga to > > > > start > > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > > chart has > > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when Rahu > > > matures. > > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. This will > > > bind a > > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic than KSY > > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > This is > > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and Rahu by > > graha > > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > hard to > > > > go. Also > > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka (AK) > > > Sun and > > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, suffering is > > > > terrible. > > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > > punishment, as > > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for this > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > > vimsottory > > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of spinal > > > > cord in > > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of incidents, we > > > > may break > > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Jyotish_ Remedies]On Behalf Of Prashant > > > Kumar G B > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > > experience if u > > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa is not > > > > on so no > > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and > sani on > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH IN d9 > > > > AND RAVI > > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or chandra > > > with > > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > more > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will > differ > > > > from > > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > posting to > > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > > picture in the > > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > unknown > > > > folder. > > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > > chargeable. see > > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life > > > Member > > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > method=reportRow s & > > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@ > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am > Bangalore, > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have > been a > > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > > KSY has > > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped > person from > > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > > planets > > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely > crippled all > > > > > the > > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > > only 2 > > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Dear All U r creating a phobia that KSY is being exploited, u all esteemed astrologers I would like to ask u a simple thing. If a native is suffering from some problems even though his benefic grah dasha is on, due to KSY, can u justify or give an explanation on, due to what reasons the native is hvg tough time, other than KSY. I think the term KSY is not understood properly. Their r type of KSY & native suffers according to the nature & type of KSY. All Ksy do not give same problems. KSY can give problems related to finances, health, marital life, education, relationships, property matters. It all depends on from which bhav the KSY starts. One example I have already given my comments, with justification, it seems except Vinay Jha no one bothered to even read it. The astrologer gave ill health & poor mental & physical growth due to KSY whereas it was not right. U should point out to that astrologer on what grounds or technicalities the astro has justfied KSY related to ill health rather making a blunt & unjustified statement that astrologers are exploiting KSY. Pls understand KSY properly, understand the technicalities and then comment. KSY also give financial prosperity but in these cases the other departments of life like marital life or family relationship or poor health gets affected..  GOD BLESS YOU WITH WARM REGARDS HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTOLOGER VAASTU CONSULTANT CELL +919867214103 (MUMBAI,INDIA) http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database ________________________________ PRADEEP SAHAI <sahaip123 Monday, 19 January, 2009 11:09:23 AM Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 Dear Prashantji and Bohraji, You are right the Kala-Sarpa yoga has been exploited very badly by some Astrologers. The name itself can invoke a kind of fear in the lay person. What is actually funny is a lot of times in my experience the Kala amrit Yoga has also been put under the same scanner as KSY.  Similarly the myths and fears concerning Saturn are doing the rounds all the time. Nobody even mentions Jupiter or Mercury , though they can be param marakas.  Perhaps we should start a thread here on the benevolence of Saturn and the nodes. If nothing it will educate the prediction seeker to be more discerning.  Also teach some to question the learned pundits featuring on Television shows and putting the fear of death into common persons!! Take care Vats   --- On Mon, 19/1/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 Monday, 19 January, 2009, 10:39 AM Bhora, this is what he has used -proof lies in eating [porridge] it is said, it may be simpler for u to locate some ol ISSUES OF AM esp Annual nos , sept nos of any yr has many good articles even on this, I am looking at what is applied and seen as workable, just because he said it is blind faith I am also saying that in the name of it miscrients rather than astrologers r misusing, and bringing it a bad name I am not sure if u have heard of the RAHU KALAM puja this is the latest in such series, where on Tuesdays and Fridays temple conduct rahu kalam pujas specially at least as I know in afternoons most temples r closed till 4.30 WHERE pUJAS R DONE BY AGAMA PRACTICES BUT SOME TEMPLES LIKE ttd, sabarimala ETC R BEYOND THIS. and many temples in the North but exploiting a rahu kulam period for a puja is strange not given by scriptures though BUT IN THE END whatever it is ppl r visiting a temple which we must do anyway. prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Monday, January 19, 2009 12:51:29 AM Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 Dear Prashant jee, I am not against who claim KSY,my concern is reliability and formation of these Yoga backed by ancient text. BV Raman jee have covered so many uncommon Yoga than why not so popular Yoga?Have KN Rao jee confirmed these Yoga? It is nice that you have get the opportunity to learn under a Guru.Old time Guru search for able " Shishya " but today's time we have to search able Guru. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Bhora, > > Pl get some ANNUAL NUMBERS OF B V RAMAN'S ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE and see the world tensions, trends this will show u him covering it explicitly on the examples I said. > > we cant say why he did or did not cover a yoga IN THE BOOK AND IT IS SURELY MORE THAN 300 YOGAS kn rao HAS BROUGHT SOME MORE IN HIS WORKS. > THERE R MANY FACTORS THAT SHAPE A RESULT AND WE MUST NOT FIX IT ON ONE OR TWO FACTORS, > > and KSY is a abused yoga b t greedy ppl will say so no problem but wishing it away is not tthe way. > > > I have studied under a Guru for a long time to say it confidently since 86-2002 inspite of my depth in the subject felt worthwhile being under him even today if time permits will do it. he has called me to assist him when he is overloaded now with advanced age at 86 is seeing less no of ppl anyway. some I do anser by e-mail to his grand daughter who passes them to the clients when he is sick or unable to meet his commitment. > > > prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:59:58 PM > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > I could not dare to put any question mark on B.V.Raman jee,I am using > his so many books.As like 300 Yogas, in this book he have given most > of Yogas but you will not find these two Yogas.Where these two were > also famous in his life and it is not possible to untouched them by BV > Raman jee if he find there reliability. > > As per Pt.Nehru jee's ,he was Cancer Ascendant and you will find many > cancer person have the same problems,what are reason we have to > search.As about so called KSY Sachin Tendulkar have,Murari Bapu have, > there is not bad effect as says.Every one on the earth have some > benefice and some malefic result in his life.That is not mean we > justify the reason by our view of angle only. > > Rahu & ketu are nods,even they depended on occupied sign to exhibit > his result.We considering them planet but the are not have any > Physical existence. > > We are not having any Gurukul system and it is very difficult to > choose right Guru so we are learning by books and by experiences of > our and others only.Commercial aspects have polluted the pure > knowledge in every field. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Bhora, > > > > u have answered it as I have also in a earlier post " all applicabe > factors have a role " so it can be good or bad based on it > > > > J Nehru our 1ST PM had it, it did not stop him from being PM for so > long so it is a good one he suffered w.r.t marriage as most time wwa > in jail or hospital with his sick wife who die of TB quite early, he > did have affairs in between to keep his cool so some drawbacks,. some > gains u will find several ppl who had both good and bad results again > applicable factors have a role > > > > none of us have read as much as B V RAMAN ji has so I take his > words, works seriously > > > > if we ignore Raman ji and swami vivekananda [for Hinduism' survival > today] tyhen it is disservice to the subject in question- ramaji > masterd vedas and met several scholars world over, so has KN RAO ji > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:23:55 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > These are good result or bad result after all? > > > > We should know the real positions of all planets which contribute to > > give the final result.It has to be analyse the whole chart before any > > conclusion. > > > > It was my views and other may have their views. we respect each others > > views.But i have not find any references about these yogas.If you have > > than please share it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhora, > > > > > > It is unfair to say that the 2 much bashed points in astrology KSY, > > SADE SAAT [and 3rdly Mangalik] have NO RELEVANCE > > > > > > B V RAMANji has used this references in many situations esp his WW1 > > AND WW2 FORECASTS Indian Independence, UNO founding charts etc > > > > > > so they exist the point is the exploitation of it by less qualified > > astrologers or purohits who use it cleverly to make money from fear > > [this is sad and BAD] > > > > > > they do exist and in some way or other affect ppl again depending on > > other applicable factors > > > > > > dasa, strength of grahas, ashtakavarga, Yogas etc > > > > > > Abt 7.5 Sani > > > > > > u can see it tests a person by fire and the strong survive weak fall > > down by their own short comings sani is a hard task master, teacher, > > guide for life > > > > > > look at DEVE GOWDA WHO BECAME CM, PM in its time > > > > > > and PV Narshima rao ji who became PM in a strange situation with > > economy at its worst [like Obama is facing in US now with his Ardha > > ashtama sani] > > > > > > Narshima rao had many challenges he did so well in the end as he was > > a great scholar, visionary, statesman, but for him the ecconomoci > > might of India would have never be seen he brought Manmohan singh in > > and gave him a free had > > > > > > IT, BIOTECH , communications, came to good progress in time to lifft > > India into world stage > > > > > > he was tested by Ayodhya, Mumbai riots, defections, sri lanka, > > china, pak, bangladesh problems etc but stood tall worked his > > challenges like a ant not visible but has his imprint in history, but > > Gowda remains a sleeping leader by accident > > > > > > > > > don't discard what we don't lnow as elders have used it in the right > > way, crooks have used them in their crooked ways > > > > > > BTW MAN MOHAN SINGH IS ALSO IN MIDST OF SADE SAAT has faced enough > > challenges well so far. > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide > > a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi > > one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my > > personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for > > more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > http://groups.. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:52:18 PM > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > The most famous fear generating as well as money generating Yogas of > > > today ,in Astrological field are KSY and " Sani ki sadesathi " .Natives > > > are in fear because they said that they have these yoga and they are > > > only responsible for bad result which they are getting. > > > > > > People have different views on these two,they have their own reasons > > > and interpretations.. I would like to share my view. > > > > > > These two Yogas not given in any ancient text of Astrology and there > > > is no any references about it. > > > > > > As like " Sadesati " ,for 7 and 1/2 year of transit of Saturn,from 12th > > > house to 1st by Moon Sign.It called 'Sani ki Sadesati' which comes in > > > every human life in every interval of 30 years.You will not find any > > > one to suffer for this period.See the all Mukesh Ambani,Anil > > > Ambani,Sunil Mittal,Ratan Tata,Laxmi Mittal....ect. Reason of bad > > > period is some thing else not this Transit of Saturn only,but fear > > > have been created because of some thing else by name of Sadesati. > > > > > > Now see KSY,this Yoga describe as all planets comes in between the > > > Nods,Rahu and Ketu.It is very interesting to know that our great > > > founder of Astrology and developer never given any Yoga as " Kal Sarp > > > Yoga " ,they have give one Yoga as " Sarp-Yoga " and in this Rahu and > > > Keatu are not involved at all. > > > > > > Maharishi Parashar have stated Sarp Yoga as " If Sun,Saturn and > > > Mars,these malefic occupies Three Kendra Sthana(1-2-3- 4) and benefice > > > occupies except Kenra Sthana,it will create " Sarp Yoga " . > > > > > > The Yoga KSY have created by some years back only, by some money > > > sucker Astrologer and Karamkandi.They have describe its 12 form > > > related to each house as like Rahu in 1st House,Rahu in 2nd house as > > > like this.The planetary position have described as all planets comes > > > in between Rahu and Ketu and if one planet beyond this they said it > > > " Aanshik KSY " .Than I would like to say there are 3456 types of KSY. > > > > > > How?If Rahu in Ascendant in Aries sign it will create one type of yoga > > > and if Ascendant sign is Taurus than it will give other result than > > > first one. As like we will get, 12 multiply 12 = 144 yoga and each > > > Yoga also form by two way R to K and K to R. than it will become 288 > > > types and one planet is beyond than again multiply by 12 it will > > > become 3456 types of Yogas.How will we describe these all Yogas? > > > > > > We are in the field of auspicious knowledge and people comes to us > > > with faith.It is our responsibilities to give them right > > > interpretation of Astrology and advise them accordingly. > > > > > > It is my vies about these Yoga,if I am wrong any where than our > > > learned senior member will correct me.No one take it as any > > > offence,every one have their own views,personal experiences and > > > assumptions. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > , " " > > > <gaurav.ghosh@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from Lagna. > > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts. The dasa sequence was Ketu, > > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position in D-6 > > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > couldn't > > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > the MD > > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > to see > > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, being > > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > auspicious.If > > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in 12th > > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > There > > > > is actually none. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > planets > > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > play(reference > > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > V.S.Sastri, > > > > Ranjan publication) . > > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > > Thank you, > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > exalted in > > > > lagna) > > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > > function. One > > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > from the > > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the > yoga to > > > > start > > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > > chart has > > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when Rahu > > > matures. > > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. This will > > > bind a > > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic than KSY > > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > This is > > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and Rahu by > > graha > > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > hard to > > > > go. Also > > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka (AK) > > > Sun and > > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, suffering is > > > > terrible. > > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > > punishment, as > > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for this > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > > vimsottory > > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of spinal > > > > cord in > > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of incidents, we > > > > may break > > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Jyotish_ Remedies]On Behalf Of Prashant > > > Kumar G B > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > > experience if u > > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa is not > > > > on so no > > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and > sani on > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH IN d9 > > > > AND RAVI > > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or chandra > > > with > > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > more > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will > differ > > > > from > > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > posting to > > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > > picture in the > > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > unknown > > > > folder. > > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > > chargeable. see > > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life > > > Member > > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > method=reportRow s & > > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@ > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am > Bangalore, > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have > been a > > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > > KSY has > > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped > person from > > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > > planets > > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely > crippled all > > > > > the > > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > > only 2 > > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Dasgupta, Yes, I have retro Jup in 7th house from Navamsha lagna.Regarding my knowledge in Sanskrit, its upon others to judge. Thank you, . htt://gauravastro.150m.com , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Dear Gaurav, > > Are you having Jup in trine or in 7H from Navamsa lagna? Must be, else > correct your chart. Because you have knowledge in Sanskrit. > > I am zero in sanskrit, so reading original texts and understanding meaning > is not possible and I never try it. So I only follow my master's words. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:48 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > I have gone through Jatak Parijata again to find any corrupted > meaning/translation by Late Shree V.S.Shastri, who has done > translation of various books like Brihat Jataka, Horasara, > UttarKalamrita, Sripati Paddhati etc & was a scholar. > If that be the case,lets see what is the original text in Jatak Parijata:- > " Lagnaadisaptagrihagaa yadi saptakhetaa jaato > mahipatiranekagajaashwanaathah|.... " > --meaning " lagnaadi " , starting from the Lagna till 7th house > " Saptagrihagaa " ... > " yadi saptakhetaa " if seven planets happen to occupy(khetaa-planets).. > " jaato mahipatih " ...person with such combination is a king > " aneka-gaja-ashwa-naathah " -...he becomes owner of many elephants & > horses. I guess this meaning is not corrupted now. > I have gone through BPHS, unfortunately I couldn't find Graha Malika > Yoga in Nabhas Yogas chapter. However there is Mala Yoga or Srak Yoga, > in akriti yogas category, which says " Kendratrayegataih > saumyaei " ...the three kendras(kendratraye) should be occupied by > benefics(soumye), & these confer benefic results. > Yes, Astrology is definitely a divine subject who should be learnt > from the right & experienced master. I never had the opportunity learn > it from the right master, as my parents would never allow me.However, > as a friend, I learnt it informally from my astrologer who has more > than 70years experience in astrology. > A grahamalika yoga is a grahamalika yoga ....there is nothing small or > big.regarding KSY, I have my own reservations, & I dont accept this > obnoxious yoga, since it has no classical validity. > Thank you, > . > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Why you want to throw away your books? All scriptures are of equal > > importance. But we have to understand it. Also many available > translations > > are corrupted and cannot be fully depended upon. Jyotish is a devine > subject > > and it is always better to learn it from a master. > > > > Please have a look at, > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3963/dasamsa.html > > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/yoga-basics.html > > > > As far as I remember, Parasara mentions about akriti yoga in the yoga > > chapter. The Graha mallika is a sub class from the Aakriti yoga. > > > > However, I strictly follow the teaching of my parampara. I have been > taught > > that even small GMY consisting of 3 houses only also have some > effect. And > > when this full yoga is prominent in a chart, normal vimsottory dasa > does not > > work. We use a special dasa mentioned in Agnipurana. > > > > This yoga is given equal impotance after KSY/KAY. But you hardly get any > > direct reference of KSY/KAY in scriptures. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:26 PM > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > > Can you please quote any classic which is supportive of your view???It > > would be really pleasure & if I am convinced, I can certainly throw > > Jatak parijata to the trash can or since it is valuable, may donate it > > to the needy, who doesn't have it. > > > > Thank you, > > . > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > > > For GMY it is not necessary that 7 planets will be in 7 houses. When > > there > > > are planets in 5 houses in line is a full GMY. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:50 PM > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from Lagna. > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts. The dasa sequence was Ketu, > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position in D-6 > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > couldn't > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > the MD > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > to see > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, being > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > auspicious.If > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in 12th > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > There > > > is actually none. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > planets > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > play(reference > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > V.S.Sastri, > > > Ranjan publication). > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > Thank you, > > > . > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > exalted in > > > lagna) > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > function. One > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > from the > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the > yoga to > > > start > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > chart has > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when Rahu > > matures. > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. This will > > bind a > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic than KSY > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > This is > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and Rahu by > > graha > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > hard to > > > go. Also > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka (AK) > > Sun and > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, suffering is > > > terrible. > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > punishment, as > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for this > > chart. > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > vimsottory > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of spinal > > > cord in > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of incidents, we > > > may break > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Prashant > > Kumar G B > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > experience if u > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa is not > > > on so no > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and sani on > > > other > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH IN d9 > > > AND RAVI > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or chandra > > with > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > more > > > examples > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > > from > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > posting to > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > picture in the > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > unknown > > > folder. > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > chargeable. see > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life > > Member > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am Bangalore, > > > > India. > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have been a > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > KSY has > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped person from > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > planets > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely crippled all > > > > the > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > only 2 > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 See, how parampara knowledge works. You will not get this in any of the scriptures. :-) Jk On Behalf Of Monday, January 19, 2009 12:00 PM Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Dasgupta, Yes, I have retro Jup in 7th house from Navamsha lagna.Regarding my knowledge in Sanskrit, its upon others to judge. Thank you, . htt://gauravastro.150m.com , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Dear Gaurav, > > Are you having Jup in trine or in 7H from Navamsa lagna? Must be, else > correct your chart. Because you have knowledge in Sanskrit. > > I am zero in sanskrit, so reading original texts and understanding meaning > is not possible and I never try it. So I only follow my master's words. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:48 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > I have gone through Jatak Parijata again to find any corrupted > meaning/translation by Late Shree V.S.Shastri, who has done > translation of various books like Brihat Jataka, Horasara, > UttarKalamrita, Sripati Paddhati etc & was a scholar. > If that be the case,lets see what is the original text in Jatak Parijata:- > " Lagnaadisaptagrihagaa yadi saptakhetaa jaato > mahipatiranekagajaashwanaathah|.... " > --meaning " lagnaadi " , starting from the Lagna till 7th house > " Saptagrihagaa " ... > " yadi saptakhetaa " if seven planets happen to occupy(khetaa-planets).. > " jaato mahipatih " ...person with such combination is a king > " aneka-gaja-ashwa-naathah " -...he becomes owner of many elephants & > horses. I guess this meaning is not corrupted now. > I have gone through BPHS, unfortunately I couldn't find Graha Malika > Yoga in Nabhas Yogas chapter. However there is Mala Yoga or Srak Yoga, > in akriti yogas category, which says " Kendratrayegataih > saumyaei " ...the three kendras(kendratraye) should be occupied by > benefics(soumye), & these confer benefic results. > Yes, Astrology is definitely a divine subject who should be learnt > from the right & experienced master. I never had the opportunity learn > it from the right master, as my parents would never allow me.However, > as a friend, I learnt it informally from my astrologer who has more > than 70years experience in astrology. > A grahamalika yoga is a grahamalika yoga ....there is nothing small or > big.regarding KSY, I have my own reservations, & I dont accept this > obnoxious yoga, since it has no classical validity. > Thank you, > . > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Why you want to throw away your books? All scriptures are of equal > > importance. But we have to understand it. Also many available > translations > > are corrupted and cannot be fully depended upon. Jyotish is a devine > subject > > and it is always better to learn it from a master. > > > > Please have a look at, > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3963/dasamsa.html > > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/yoga-basics.html > > > > As far as I remember, Parasara mentions about akriti yoga in the yoga > > chapter. The Graha mallika is a sub class from the Aakriti yoga. > > > > However, I strictly follow the teaching of my parampara. I have been > taught > > that even small GMY consisting of 3 houses only also have some > effect. And > > when this full yoga is prominent in a chart, normal vimsottory dasa > does not > > work. We use a special dasa mentioned in Agnipurana. > > > > This yoga is given equal impotance after KSY/KAY. But you hardly get any > > direct reference of KSY/KAY in scriptures. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:26 PM > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > > Can you please quote any classic which is supportive of your view???It > > would be really pleasure & if I am convinced, I can certainly throw > > Jatak parijata to the trash can or since it is valuable, may donate it > > to the needy, who doesn't have it. > > > > Thank you, > > . > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > > > For GMY it is not necessary that 7 planets will be in 7 houses. When > > there > > > are planets in 5 houses in line is a full GMY. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:50 PM > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from Lagna. > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts. The dasa sequence was Ketu, > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position in D-6 > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > couldn't > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > the MD > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > to see > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, being > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > auspicious.If > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in 12th > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > There > > > is actually none. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > planets > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > play(reference > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > V.S.Sastri, > > > Ranjan publication). > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > Thank you, > > > . > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > exalted in > > > lagna) > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > function. One > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > from the > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the > yoga to > > > start > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > chart has > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when Rahu > > matures. > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. This will > > bind a > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic than KSY > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > This is > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and Rahu by > > graha > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > hard to > > > go. Also > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka (AK) > > Sun and > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, suffering is > > > terrible. > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > punishment, as > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for this > > chart. > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > vimsottory > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of spinal > > > cord in > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of incidents, we > > > may break > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Prashant > > Kumar G B > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > experience if u > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa is not > > > on so no > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and sani on > > > other > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH IN d9 > > > AND RAVI > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or chandra > > with > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > more > > > examples > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > > from > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > posting to > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > picture in the > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > unknown > > > folder. > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > chargeable. see > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life > > Member > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am Bangalore, > > > > India. > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have been a > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > KSY has > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped person from > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > planets > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely crippled all > > > > the > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > only 2 > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Dear all, I fully agree with Hareshji. Look at the problems in following order. 1. KSY/KAY: I have been taught that if this is present - then remedying this will also put an end to other problems mentioned below. 2. Grahamalika yoga. If any of the above is present, no other good yoga will properly work till the above matures. Even ofter the yoga matures after the planets natural maturing ages - the yogas will keep on giving hardship, unless remedy is done. 3. Curses. The strongest will work. We use Moola dasa to time the delivery of the curse. To be very frank, no body knows the bad effects more than me. I have got KAY between 5H & 11H, GMY starting from Rahu and ending with Ketu, and 3 strong curses. I have done all types of puja, graha shanti etc. Nothing worked. The effect of KAY has reduced much after 47 year, but still it continues delivering hardship in money matters (11H) in my business. Recently I have learned how to remedy KSY/KAY and after starting those - there is remarkable improvement. Regards Jk On Behalf Of Haresh (Harry) Nathani Monday, January 19, 2009 11:54 AM Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 Dear All U r creating a phobia that KSY is being exploited, u all esteemed astrologers I would like to ask u a simple thing. If a native is suffering from some problems even though his benefic grah dasha is on, due to KSY, can u justify or give an explanation on, due to what reasons the native is hvg tough time, other than KSY. I think the term KSY is not understood properly. Their r type of KSY & native suffers according to the nature & type of KSY. All Ksy do not give same problems. KSY can give problems related to finances, health, marital life, education, relationships, property matters. It all depends on from which bhav the KSY starts. One example I have already given my comments, with justification, it seems except Vinay Jha no one bothered to even read it. The astrologer gave ill health & poor mental & physical growth due to KSY whereas it was not right. U should point out to that astrologer on what grounds or technicalities the astro has justfied KSY related to ill health rather making a blunt & unjustified statement that astrologers are exploiting KSY. Pls understand KSY properly, understand the technicalities and then comment. KSY also give financial prosperity but in these cases the other departments of life like marital life or family relationship or poor health gets affected.. GOD BLESS YOU WITH WARM REGARDS HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTOLOGER VAASTU CONSULTANT CELL +919867214103 (MUMBAI,INDIA) http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database ________________________________ PRADEEP SAHAI <sahaip123 Monday, 19 January, 2009 11:09:23 AM Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 Dear Prashantji and Bohraji, You are right the Kala-Sarpa yoga has been exploited very badly by some Astrologers. The name itself can invoke a kind of fear in the lay person. What is actually funny is a lot of times in my experience the Kala amrit Yoga has also been put under the same scanner as KSY. Similarly the myths and fears concerning Saturn are doing the rounds all the time. Nobody even mentions Jupiter or Mercury , though they can be param marakas. Perhaps we should start a thread here on the benevolence of Saturn and the nodes. If nothing it will educate the prediction seeker to be more discerning. Also teach some to question the learned pundits featuring on Television shows and putting the fear of death into common persons!! Take care Vats --- On Mon, 19/1/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 Monday, 19 January, 2009, 10:39 AM Bhora, this is what he has used -proof lies in eating [porridge] it is said, it may be simpler for u to locate some ol ISSUES OF AM esp Annual nos , sept nos of any yr has many good articles even on this, I am looking at what is applied and seen as workable, just because he said it is blind faith I am also saying that in the name of it miscrients rather than astrologers r misusing, and bringing it a bad name I am not sure if u have heard of the RAHU KALAM puja this is the latest in such series, where on Tuesdays and Fridays temple conduct rahu kalam pujas specially at least as I know in afternoons most temples r closed till 4.30 WHERE pUJAS R DONE BY AGAMA PRACTICES BUT SOME TEMPLES LIKE ttd, sabarimala ETC R BEYOND THIS. and many temples in the North but exploiting a rahu kulam period for a puja is strange not given by scriptures though BUT IN THE END whatever it is ppl r visiting a temple which we must do anyway. prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Monday, January 19, 2009 12:51:29 AM Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 Dear Prashant jee, I am not against who claim KSY,my concern is reliability and formation of these Yoga backed by ancient text. BV Raman jee have covered so many uncommon Yoga than why not so popular Yoga?Have KN Rao jee confirmed these Yoga? It is nice that you have get the opportunity to learn under a Guru.Old time Guru search for able " Shishya " but today's time we have to search able Guru. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Bhora, > > Pl get some ANNUAL NUMBERS OF B V RAMAN'S ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE and see the world tensions, trends this will show u him covering it explicitly on the examples I said. > > we cant say why he did or did not cover a yoga IN THE BOOK AND IT IS SURELY MORE THAN 300 YOGAS kn rao HAS BROUGHT SOME MORE IN HIS WORKS. > THERE R MANY FACTORS THAT SHAPE A RESULT AND WE MUST NOT FIX IT ON ONE OR TWO FACTORS, > > and KSY is a abused yoga b t greedy ppl will say so no problem but wishing it away is not tthe way. > > > I have studied under a Guru for a long time to say it confidently since 86-2002 inspite of my depth in the subject felt worthwhile being under him even today if time permits will do it. he has called me to assist him when he is overloaded now with advanced age at 86 is seeing less no of ppl anyway. some I do anser by e-mail to his grand daughter who passes them to the clients when he is sick or unable to meet his commitment. > > > prashant > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:59:58 PM > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > I could not dare to put any question mark on B.V.Raman jee,I am using > his so many books.As like 300 Yogas, in this book he have given most > of Yogas but you will not find these two Yogas.Where these two were > also famous in his life and it is not possible to untouched them by BV > Raman jee if he find there reliability. > > As per Pt.Nehru jee's ,he was Cancer Ascendant and you will find many > cancer person have the same problems,what are reason we have to > search.As about so called KSY Sachin Tendulkar have,Murari Bapu have, > there is not bad effect as says.Every one on the earth have some > benefice and some malefic result in his life.That is not mean we > justify the reason by our view of angle only. > > Rahu & ketu are nods,even they depended on occupied sign to exhibit > his result.We considering them planet but the are not have any > Physical existence. > > We are not having any Gurukul system and it is very difficult to > choose right Guru so we are learning by books and by experiences of > our and others only.Commercial aspects have polluted the pure > knowledge in every field. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Bhora, > > > > u have answered it as I have also in a earlier post " all applicabe > factors have a role " so it can be good or bad based on it > > > > J Nehru our 1ST PM had it, it did not stop him from being PM for so > long so it is a good one he suffered w.r.t marriage as most time wwa > in jail or hospital with his sick wife who die of TB quite early, he > did have affairs in between to keep his cool so some drawbacks,. some > gains u will find several ppl who had both good and bad results again > applicable factors have a role > > > > none of us have read as much as B V RAMAN ji has so I take his > words, works seriously > > > > if we ignore Raman ji and swami vivekananda [for Hinduism' survival > today] tyhen it is disservice to the subject in question- ramaji > masterd vedas and met several scholars world over, so has KN RAO ji > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:23:55 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > These are good result or bad result after all? > > > > We should know the real positions of all planets which contribute to > > give the final result.It has to be analyse the whole chart before any > > conclusion. > > > > It was my views and other may have their views. we respect each others > > views.But i have not find any references about these yogas.If you have > > than please share it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhora, > > > > > > It is unfair to say that the 2 much bashed points in astrology KSY, > > SADE SAAT [and 3rdly Mangalik] have NO RELEVANCE > > > > > > B V RAMANji has used this references in many situations esp his WW1 > > AND WW2 FORECASTS Indian Independence, UNO founding charts etc > > > > > > so they exist the point is the exploitation of it by less qualified > > astrologers or purohits who use it cleverly to make money from fear > > [this is sad and BAD] > > > > > > they do exist and in some way or other affect ppl again depending on > > other applicable factors > > > > > > dasa, strength of grahas, ashtakavarga, Yogas etc > > > > > > Abt 7.5 Sani > > > > > > u can see it tests a person by fire and the strong survive weak fall > > down by their own short comings sani is a hard task master, teacher, > > guide for life > > > > > > look at DEVE GOWDA WHO BECAME CM, PM in its time > > > > > > and PV Narshima rao ji who became PM in a strange situation with > > economy at its worst [like Obama is facing in US now with his Ardha > > ashtama sani] > > > > > > Narshima rao had many challenges he did so well in the end as he was > > a great scholar, visionary, statesman, but for him the ecconomoci > > might of India would have never be seen he brought Manmohan singh in > > and gave him a free had > > > > > > IT, BIOTECH , communications, came to good progress in time to lifft > > India into world stage > > > > > > he was tested by Ayodhya, Mumbai riots, defections, sri lanka, > > china, pak, bangladesh problems etc but stood tall worked his > > challenges like a ant not visible but has his imprint in history, but > > Gowda remains a sleeping leader by accident > > > > > > > > > don't discard what we don't lnow as elders have used it in the right > > way, crooks have used them in their crooked ways > > > > > > BTW MAN MOHAN SINGH IS ALSO IN MIDST OF SADE SAAT has faced enough > > challenges well so far. > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide > > a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi > > one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my > > personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for > > more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > http://groups.. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:52:18 PM > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > The most famous fear generating as well as money generating Yogas of > > > today ,in Astrological field are KSY and " Sani ki sadesathi " .Natives > > > are in fear because they said that they have these yoga and they are > > > only responsible for bad result which they are getting. > > > > > > People have different views on these two,they have their own reasons > > > and interpretations.. I would like to share my view. > > > > > > These two Yogas not given in any ancient text of Astrology and there > > > is no any references about it. > > > > > > As like " Sadesati " ,for 7 and 1/2 year of transit of Saturn,from 12th > > > house to 1st by Moon Sign.It called 'Sani ki Sadesati' which comes in > > > every human life in every interval of 30 years.You will not find any > > > one to suffer for this period.See the all Mukesh Ambani,Anil > > > Ambani,Sunil Mittal,Ratan Tata,Laxmi Mittal....ect. Reason of bad > > > period is some thing else not this Transit of Saturn only,but fear > > > have been created because of some thing else by name of Sadesati. > > > > > > Now see KSY,this Yoga describe as all planets comes in between the > > > Nods,Rahu and Ketu.It is very interesting to know that our great > > > founder of Astrology and developer never given any Yoga as " Kal Sarp > > > Yoga " ,they have give one Yoga as " Sarp-Yoga " and in this Rahu and > > > Keatu are not involved at all. > > > > > > Maharishi Parashar have stated Sarp Yoga as " If Sun,Saturn and > > > Mars,these malefic occupies Three Kendra Sthana(1-2-3- 4) and benefice > > > occupies except Kenra Sthana,it will create " Sarp Yoga " . > > > > > > The Yoga KSY have created by some years back only, by some money > > > sucker Astrologer and Karamkandi.They have describe its 12 form > > > related to each house as like Rahu in 1st House,Rahu in 2nd house as > > > like this.The planetary position have described as all planets comes > > > in between Rahu and Ketu and if one planet beyond this they said it > > > " Aanshik KSY " .Than I would like to say there are 3456 types of KSY. > > > > > > How?If Rahu in Ascendant in Aries sign it will create one type of yoga > > > and if Ascendant sign is Taurus than it will give other result than > > > first one. As like we will get, 12 multiply 12 = 144 yoga and each > > > Yoga also form by two way R to K and K to R. than it will become 288 > > > types and one planet is beyond than again multiply by 12 it will > > > become 3456 types of Yogas.How will we describe these all Yogas? > > > > > > We are in the field of auspicious knowledge and people comes to us > > > with faith.It is our responsibilities to give them right > > > interpretation of Astrology and advise them accordingly. > > > > > > It is my vies about these Yoga,if I am wrong any where than our > > > learned senior member will correct me.No one take it as any > > > offence,every one have their own views,personal experiences and > > > assumptions. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > , " " > > > <gaurav.ghosh@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from Lagna. > > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts. The dasa sequence was Ketu, > > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position in D-6 > > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > couldn't > > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > the MD > > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > to see > > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, being > > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > auspicious.If > > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in 12th > > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > There > > > > is actually none. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > planets > > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > play(reference > > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > V.S.Sastri, > > > > Ranjan publication) . > > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > > Thank you, > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > exalted in > > > > lagna) > > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > > function. One > > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > from the > > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the > yoga to > > > > start > > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > > chart has > > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when Rahu > > > matures. > > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. This will > > > bind a > > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic than KSY > > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > This is > > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and Rahu by > > graha > > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > hard to > > > > go. Also > > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka (AK) > > > Sun and > > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, suffering is > > > > terrible. > > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > > punishment, as > > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for this > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > > vimsottory > > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of spinal > > > > cord in > > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of incidents, we > > > > may break > > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Jyotish_ Remedies]On Behalf Of Prashant > > > Kumar G B > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > > experience if u > > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa is not > > > > on so no > > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and > sani on > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH IN d9 > > > > AND RAVI > > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or chandra > > > with > > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > more > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will > differ > > > > from > > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > posting to > > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > > picture in the > > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > unknown > > > > folder. > > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > > chargeable. see > > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life > > > Member > > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > method=reportRow s & > > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@ > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am > Bangalore, > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have > been a > > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > > KSY has > > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped > person from > > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > > planets > > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely > crippled all > > > > > the > > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > > only 2 > > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Dasgupta, Exactly. Even I couldn't find the reasons for " not knowing Sanskrit " for these two people, whose details are below:- 1)Sept2, 1983, 3:35 am, Kolkata(Jupiter in Kona) 2)Oct 5, 1971, 21:14 hrs, Jodhpur(73E02, 26N17, Rajasthan)(Jupiter in Kendra from Lagna). May be you will be able to enlighten me more on this. Thank you, . http://gauravastro.150m.com , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > See, how parampara knowledge works. You will not get this in any of the > scriptures. > :-) > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of > Monday, January 19, 2009 12:00 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > Yes, I have retro Jup in 7th house from Navamsha lagna.Regarding my > knowledge in Sanskrit, its upon others to judge. > Thank you, > . > htt://gauravastro.150m.com > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > Are you having Jup in trine or in 7H from Navamsa lagna? Must be, else > > correct your chart. Because you have knowledge in Sanskrit. > > > > I am zero in sanskrit, so reading original texts and understanding > meaning > > is not possible and I never try it. So I only follow my master's words. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:48 PM > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > > I have gone through Jatak Parijata again to find any corrupted > > meaning/translation by Late Shree V.S.Shastri, who has done > > translation of various books like Brihat Jataka, Horasara, > > UttarKalamrita, Sripati Paddhati etc & was a scholar. > > If that be the case,lets see what is the original text in Jatak > Parijata:- > > " Lagnaadisaptagrihagaa yadi saptakhetaa jaato > > mahipatiranekagajaashwanaathah|.... " > > --meaning " lagnaadi " , starting from the Lagna till 7th house > > " Saptagrihagaa " ... > > " yadi saptakhetaa " if seven planets happen to occupy(khetaa-planets).. > > " jaato mahipatih " ...person with such combination is a king > > " aneka-gaja-ashwa-naathah " -...he becomes owner of many elephants & > > horses. I guess this meaning is not corrupted now. > > I have gone through BPHS, unfortunately I couldn't find Graha Malika > > Yoga in Nabhas Yogas chapter. However there is Mala Yoga or Srak Yoga, > > in akriti yogas category, which says " Kendratrayegataih > > saumyaei " ...the three kendras(kendratraye) should be occupied by > > benefics(soumye), & these confer benefic results. > > Yes, Astrology is definitely a divine subject who should be learnt > > from the right & experienced master. I never had the opportunity learn > > it from the right master, as my parents would never allow me.However, > > as a friend, I learnt it informally from my astrologer who has more > > than 70years experience in astrology. > > A grahamalika yoga is a grahamalika yoga ....there is nothing small or > > big.regarding KSY, I have my own reservations, & I dont accept this > > obnoxious yoga, since it has no classical validity. > > Thank you, > > . > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Why you want to throw away your books? All scriptures are of equal > > > importance. But we have to understand it. Also many available > > translations > > > are corrupted and cannot be fully depended upon. Jyotish is a devine > > subject > > > and it is always better to learn it from a master. > > > > > > Please have a look at, > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3963/dasamsa.html > > > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/yoga-basics.html > > > > > > As far as I remember, Parasara mentions about akriti yoga in the > yoga > > > chapter. The Graha mallika is a sub class from the Aakriti yoga. > > > > > > However, I strictly follow the teaching of my parampara. I have been > > taught > > > that even small GMY consisting of 3 houses only also have some > > effect. And > > > when this full yoga is prominent in a chart, normal vimsottory dasa > > does not > > > work. We use a special dasa mentioned in Agnipurana. > > > > > > This yoga is given equal impotance after KSY/KAY. But you hardly > get any > > > direct reference of KSY/KAY in scriptures. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:26 PM > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > > > Can you please quote any classic which is supportive of your > view???It > > > would be really pleasure & if I am convinced, I can certainly throw > > > Jatak parijata to the trash can or since it is valuable, may > donate it > > > to the needy, who doesn't have it. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > . > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > > > > > For GMY it is not necessary that 7 planets will be in 7 > houses. When > > > there > > > > are planets in 5 houses in line is a full GMY. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Gaurav Ghosh > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:50 PM > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from Lagna. > > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts. The dasa sequence was Ketu, > > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position in D-6 > > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > > couldn't > > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > > the MD > > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > > to see > > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, being > > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > > auspicious.If > > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in 12th > > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > > There > > > > is actually none. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > > planets > > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > > play(reference > > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > > V.S.Sastri, > > > > Ranjan publication). > > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > > Thank you, > > > > . > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > > exalted in > > > > lagna) > > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > > function. One > > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > > from the > > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the > > yoga to > > > > start > > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > > chart has > > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when Rahu > > > matures. > > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. This will > > > bind a > > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic > than KSY > > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > > This is > > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and Rahu by > > > graha > > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > > hard to > > > > go. Also > > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka (AK) > > > Sun and > > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, > suffering is > > > > terrible. > > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > > punishment, as > > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for this > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > > vimsottory > > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of > spinal > > > > cord in > > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of > incidents, we > > > > may break > > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Prashant > > > Kumar G B > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > > experience if u > > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa is not > > > > on so no > > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and > sani on > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH IN d9 > > > > AND RAVI > > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or chandra > > > with > > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > > more > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will > differ > > > > from > > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > posting to > > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > > picture in the > > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > > unknown > > > > folder. > > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > > chargeable. see > > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life > > > Member > > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & > > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am > Bangalore, > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have > been a > > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > > KSY has > > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped > person from > > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > > planets > > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely > crippled all > > > > > the > > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > > only 2 > > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ > Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 1st person is having Jup in trine in D9. Jup in trine gives knowledge in language, specially Sanskrit. But it is in 9H, he has to learn in from teacher. He also has Rahu there. That may make him interested in mantrashastra or knowledge in handling deadly chemicals. 2nd pers has Jup in 7H. He will also pick up languages easily. He also has Sat in lagna & Ketu in trine. Sat will make him reading scriptures and ketu will make him good in computer hardware or any small inticated machineries - like watch etc. Check back with them. Both of them were born either by forcep or by surgery. Regards Jk On Behalf Of Monday, January 19, 2009 12:59 PM Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Dasgupta, Exactly. Even I couldn't find the reasons for knowing Sanskrit for these two people, whose detail mention below:- 1)Sept2, 1983, 3:35 am, Kolkata(Jupiter in Kona) 2)Oct 5, 1971, 21:14 hrs, Jodhpur(73E02, 26N17, Rajasthan)(Jupiter in Kendra from Lagna). May be you will be able to enlighten me more on this. Thank you, . http://gauravastro.150m.com , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > See, how parampara knowledge works. You will not get this in any of the > scriptures. > :-) > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of > Monday, January 19, 2009 12:00 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > Yes, I have retro Jup in 7th house from Navamsha lagna.Regarding my > knowledge in Sanskrit, its upon others to judge. > Thank you, > . > htt://gauravastro.150m.com > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > Are you having Jup in trine or in 7H from Navamsa lagna? Must be, else > > correct your chart. Because you have knowledge in Sanskrit. > > > > I am zero in sanskrit, so reading original texts and understanding > meaning > > is not possible and I never try it. So I only follow my master's words. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:48 PM > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > > I have gone through Jatak Parijata again to find any corrupted > > meaning/translation by Late Shree V.S.Shastri, who has done > > translation of various books like Brihat Jataka, Horasara, > > UttarKalamrita, Sripati Paddhati etc & was a scholar. > > If that be the case,lets see what is the original text in Jatak > Parijata:- > > " Lagnaadisaptagrihagaa yadi saptakhetaa jaato > > mahipatiranekagajaashwanaathah|.... " > > --meaning " lagnaadi " , starting from the Lagna till 7th house > > " Saptagrihagaa " ... > > " yadi saptakhetaa " if seven planets happen to occupy(khetaa-planets).. > > " jaato mahipatih " ...person with such combination is a king > > " aneka-gaja-ashwa-naathah " -...he becomes owner of many elephants & > > horses. I guess this meaning is not corrupted now. > > I have gone through BPHS, unfortunately I couldn't find Graha Malika > > Yoga in Nabhas Yogas chapter. However there is Mala Yoga or Srak Yoga, > > in akriti yogas category, which says " Kendratrayegataih > > saumyaei " ...the three kendras(kendratraye) should be occupied by > > benefics(soumye), & these confer benefic results. > > Yes, Astrology is definitely a divine subject who should be learnt > > from the right & experienced master. I never had the opportunity learn > > it from the right master, as my parents would never allow me.However, > > as a friend, I learnt it informally from my astrologer who has more > > than 70years experience in astrology. > > A grahamalika yoga is a grahamalika yoga ....there is nothing small or > > big.regarding KSY, I have my own reservations, & I dont accept this > > obnoxious yoga, since it has no classical validity. > > Thank you, > > . > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Why you want to throw away your books? All scriptures are of equal > > > importance. But we have to understand it. Also many available > > translations > > > are corrupted and cannot be fully depended upon. Jyotish is a devine > > subject > > > and it is always better to learn it from a master. > > > > > > Please have a look at, > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3963/dasamsa.html > > > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/yoga-basics.html > > > > > > As far as I remember, Parasara mentions about akriti yoga in the > yoga > > > chapter. The Graha mallika is a sub class from the Aakriti yoga. > > > > > > However, I strictly follow the teaching of my parampara. I have been > > taught > > > that even small GMY consisting of 3 houses only also have some > > effect. And > > > when this full yoga is prominent in a chart, normal vimsottory dasa > > does not > > > work. We use a special dasa mentioned in Agnipurana. > > > > > > This yoga is given equal impotance after KSY/KAY. But you hardly > get any > > > direct reference of KSY/KAY in scriptures. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:26 PM > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > > > Can you please quote any classic which is supportive of your > view???It > > > would be really pleasure & if I am convinced, I can certainly throw > > > Jatak parijata to the trash can or since it is valuable, may > donate it > > > to the needy, who doesn't have it. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > . > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > > > > > For GMY it is not necessary that 7 planets will be in 7 > houses. When > > > there > > > > are planets in 5 houses in line is a full GMY. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Gaurav Ghosh > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:50 PM > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from Lagna. > > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts. The dasa sequence was Ketu, > > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position in D-6 > > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > > couldn't > > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > > the MD > > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > > to see > > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, being > > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > > auspicious.If > > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in 12th > > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > > There > > > > is actually none. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > > planets > > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > > play(reference > > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > > V.S.Sastri, > > > > Ranjan publication). > > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > > Thank you, > > > > . > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > > exalted in > > > > lagna) > > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > > function. One > > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > > from the > > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the > > yoga to > > > > start > > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > > chart has > > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when Rahu > > > matures. > > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. This will > > > bind a > > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic > than KSY > > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > > This is > > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and Rahu by > > > graha > > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > > hard to > > > > go. Also > > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka (AK) > > > Sun and > > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, > suffering is > > > > terrible. > > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > > punishment, as > > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for this > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > > vimsottory > > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of > spinal > > > > cord in > > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of > incidents, we > > > > may break > > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Prashant > > > Kumar G B > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > > experience if u > > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa is not > > > > on so no > > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and > sani on > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH IN d9 > > > > AND RAVI > > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or chandra > > > with > > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > > more > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will > differ > > > > from > > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > posting to > > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > > picture in the > > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > > unknown > > > > folder. > > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > > chargeable. see > > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life > > > Member > > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & > > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am > Bangalore, > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have > been a > > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > > KSY has > > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped > person from > > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > > planets > > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely > crippled all > > > > > the > > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > > only 2 > > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ > Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 OK, Your earlier mail tells that they know sanskrit. It is not neccessary Jup in kona or 7th house must give knowledge in Sanskrit. But it will definitely give ability to pick up languages easily. In lagna, it will be natural. in 5th house he has to practice and in 9th house he has to go to a teacher. In 7H it will creat interest. Jk On Behalf Of Monday, January 19, 2009 1:14 PM Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Dasgupta, Exactly. Even I couldn't find the reasons for " not knowing Sanskrit " for these two people, whose details are below:- 1)Sept2, 1983, 3:35 am, Kolkata(Jupiter in Kona) 2)Oct 5, 1971, 21:14 hrs, Jodhpur(73E02, 26N17, Rajasthan)(Jupiter in Kendra from Lagna). May be you will be able to enlighten me more on this. Thank you, . http://gauravastro.150m.com , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > See, how parampara knowledge works. You will not get this in any of the > scriptures. > :-) > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of > Monday, January 19, 2009 12:00 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > Yes, I have retro Jup in 7th house from Navamsha lagna.Regarding my > knowledge in Sanskrit, its upon others to judge. > Thank you, > . > htt://gauravastro.150m.com > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > Are you having Jup in trine or in 7H from Navamsa lagna? Must be, else > > correct your chart. Because you have knowledge in Sanskrit. > > > > I am zero in sanskrit, so reading original texts and understanding > meaning > > is not possible and I never try it. So I only follow my master's words. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:48 PM > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > > I have gone through Jatak Parijata again to find any corrupted > > meaning/translation by Late Shree V.S.Shastri, who has done > > translation of various books like Brihat Jataka, Horasara, > > UttarKalamrita, Sripati Paddhati etc & was a scholar. > > If that be the case,lets see what is the original text in Jatak > Parijata:- > > " Lagnaadisaptagrihagaa yadi saptakhetaa jaato > > mahipatiranekagajaashwanaathah|.... " > > --meaning " lagnaadi " , starting from the Lagna till 7th house > > " Saptagrihagaa " ... > > " yadi saptakhetaa " if seven planets happen to occupy(khetaa-planets).. > > " jaato mahipatih " ...person with such combination is a king > > " aneka-gaja-ashwa-naathah " -...he becomes owner of many elephants & > > horses. I guess this meaning is not corrupted now. > > I have gone through BPHS, unfortunately I couldn't find Graha Malika > > Yoga in Nabhas Yogas chapter. However there is Mala Yoga or Srak Yoga, > > in akriti yogas category, which says " Kendratrayegataih > > saumyaei " ...the three kendras(kendratraye) should be occupied by > > benefics(soumye), & these confer benefic results. > > Yes, Astrology is definitely a divine subject who should be learnt > > from the right & experienced master. I never had the opportunity learn > > it from the right master, as my parents would never allow me.However, > > as a friend, I learnt it informally from my astrologer who has more > > than 70years experience in astrology. > > A grahamalika yoga is a grahamalika yoga ....there is nothing small or > > big.regarding KSY, I have my own reservations, & I dont accept this > > obnoxious yoga, since it has no classical validity. > > Thank you, > > . > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Why you want to throw away your books? All scriptures are of equal > > > importance. But we have to understand it. Also many available > > translations > > > are corrupted and cannot be fully depended upon. Jyotish is a devine > > subject > > > and it is always better to learn it from a master. > > > > > > Please have a look at, > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3963/dasamsa.html > > > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/yoga-basics.html > > > > > > As far as I remember, Parasara mentions about akriti yoga in the > yoga > > > chapter. The Graha mallika is a sub class from the Aakriti yoga. > > > > > > However, I strictly follow the teaching of my parampara. I have been > > taught > > > that even small GMY consisting of 3 houses only also have some > > effect. And > > > when this full yoga is prominent in a chart, normal vimsottory dasa > > does not > > > work. We use a special dasa mentioned in Agnipurana. > > > > > > This yoga is given equal impotance after KSY/KAY. But you hardly > get any > > > direct reference of KSY/KAY in scriptures. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:26 PM > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > > > Can you please quote any classic which is supportive of your > view???It > > > would be really pleasure & if I am convinced, I can certainly throw > > > Jatak parijata to the trash can or since it is valuable, may > donate it > > > to the needy, who doesn't have it. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > . > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > > > > > For GMY it is not necessary that 7 planets will be in 7 > houses. When > > > there > > > > are planets in 5 houses in line is a full GMY. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Gaurav Ghosh > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:50 PM > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from Lagna. > > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts. The dasa sequence was Ketu, > > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position in D-6 > > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > > couldn't > > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > > the MD > > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > > to see > > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, being > > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > > auspicious.If > > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in 12th > > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > > There > > > > is actually none. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > > planets > > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > > play(reference > > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > > V.S.Sastri, > > > > Ranjan publication). > > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > > Thank you, > > > > . > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > > exalted in > > > > lagna) > > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > > function. One > > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > > from the > > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the > > yoga to > > > > start > > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > > chart has > > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when Rahu > > > matures. > > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. This will > > > bind a > > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic > than KSY > > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > > This is > > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and Rahu by > > > graha > > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > > hard to > > > > go. Also > > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka (AK) > > > Sun and > > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, > suffering is > > > > terrible. > > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > > punishment, as > > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for this > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > > vimsottory > > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of > spinal > > > > cord in > > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of > incidents, we > > > > may break > > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Prashant > > > Kumar G B > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > > experience if u > > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa is not > > > > on so no > > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and > sani on > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH IN d9 > > > > AND RAVI > > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or chandra > > > with > > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > > more > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will > differ > > > > from > > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > posting to > > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > > picture in the > > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > > unknown > > > > folder. > > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > > chargeable. see > > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life > > > Member > > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & > > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am > Bangalore, > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have > been a > > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > > KSY has > > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped > person from > > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > > planets > > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely > crippled all > > > > > the > > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > > only 2 > > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ > Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Dasgupta, Unfortunately it was a typing error while I forgot to put to the " dont know " in between.My apologies for that. Regarding your analysis,I am writing my comments below:- 1st person---He has no knowledge in Sanskrit, nor he is going to learn in his future. However, he has no interest in mantrashastra as well & he is the food service industry, works in a restaurant, as a trainee manager. 2nd person---He may pickup language easily,of which I am not aware of.He is not interested in reading scriptures. However, he works in some shipping corporation, which he told me. I have to follow up with them, regarding their birth. Thank you, . , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > 1st person is having Jup in trine in D9. Jup in trine gives knowledge in > language, specially Sanskrit. But it is in 9H, he has to learn in from > teacher. He also has Rahu there. That may make him interested in > mantrashastra or knowledge in handling deadly chemicals. > > 2nd pers has Jup in 7H. He will also pick up languages easily. He also has > Sat in lagna & Ketu in trine. Sat will make him reading scriptures and ketu > will make him good in computer hardware or any small inticated machineries - > like watch etc. > > Check back with them. Both of them were born either by forcep or by surgery. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of > Monday, January 19, 2009 12:59 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > Exactly. Even I couldn't find the reasons for knowing Sanskrit for > these two people, whose detail mention below:- > 1)Sept2, 1983, 3:35 am, Kolkata(Jupiter in Kona) > 2)Oct 5, 1971, 21:14 hrs, Jodhpur(73E02, 26N17, Rajasthan)(Jupiter in > Kendra from Lagna). > May be you will be able to enlighten me more on this. > Thank you, > . > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > See, how parampara knowledge works. You will not get this in any of the > > scriptures. > > :-) > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > Monday, January 19, 2009 12:00 PM > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > > Yes, I have retro Jup in 7th house from Navamsha lagna.Regarding my > > knowledge in Sanskrit, its upon others to judge. > > Thank you, > > . > > htt://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > > > Are you having Jup in trine or in 7H from Navamsa lagna? Must > be, else > > > correct your chart. Because you have knowledge in Sanskrit. > > > > > > I am zero in sanskrit, so reading original texts and understanding > > meaning > > > is not possible and I never try it. So I only follow my master's > words. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:48 PM > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > > > I have gone through Jatak Parijata again to find any corrupted > > > meaning/translation by Late Shree V.S.Shastri, who has done > > > translation of various books like Brihat Jataka, Horasara, > > > UttarKalamrita, Sripati Paddhati etc & was a scholar. > > > If that be the case,lets see what is the original text in Jatak > > Parijata:- > > > " Lagnaadisaptagrihagaa yadi saptakhetaa jaato > > > mahipatiranekagajaashwanaathah|.... " > > > --meaning " lagnaadi " , starting from the Lagna till 7th house > > > " Saptagrihagaa " ... > > > " yadi saptakhetaa " if seven planets happen to > occupy(khetaa-planets).. > > > " jaato mahipatih " ...person with such combination is a king > > > " aneka-gaja-ashwa-naathah " -...he becomes owner of many elephants & > > > horses. I guess this meaning is not corrupted now. > > > I have gone through BPHS, unfortunately I couldn't find Graha Malika > > > Yoga in Nabhas Yogas chapter. However there is Mala Yoga or Srak > Yoga, > > > in akriti yogas category, which says " Kendratrayegataih > > > saumyaei " ...the three kendras(kendratraye) should be occupied by > > > benefics(soumye), & these confer benefic results. > > > Yes, Astrology is definitely a divine subject who should be learnt > > > from the right & experienced master. I never had the opportunity > learn > > > it from the right master, as my parents would never allow > me.However, > > > as a friend, I learnt it informally from my astrologer who has more > > > than 70years experience in astrology. > > > A grahamalika yoga is a grahamalika yoga ....there is nothing > small or > > > big.regarding KSY, I have my own reservations, & I dont accept this > > > obnoxious yoga, since it has no classical validity. > > > Thank you, > > > . > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Why you want to throw away your books? All scriptures are of equal > > > > importance. But we have to understand it. Also many available > > > translations > > > > are corrupted and cannot be fully depended upon. Jyotish is a > devine > > > subject > > > > and it is always better to learn it from a master. > > > > > > > > Please have a look at, > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3963/dasamsa.html > > > > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/yoga-basics.html > > > > > > > > As far as I remember, Parasara mentions about akriti yoga in the > > yoga > > > > chapter. The Graha mallika is a sub class from the Aakriti yoga. > > > > > > > > However, I strictly follow the teaching of my parampara. I > have been > > > taught > > > > that even small GMY consisting of 3 houses only also have some > > > effect. And > > > > when this full yoga is prominent in a chart, normal vimsottory > dasa > > > does not > > > > work. We use a special dasa mentioned in Agnipurana. > > > > > > > > This yoga is given equal impotance after KSY/KAY. But you hardly > > get any > > > > direct reference of KSY/KAY in scriptures. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Gaurav Ghosh > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:26 PM > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > > > > Can you please quote any classic which is supportive of your > > view???It > > > > would be really pleasure & if I am convinced, I can certainly > throw > > > > Jatak parijata to the trash can or since it is valuable, may > > donate it > > > > to the needy, who doesn't have it. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > . > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > > > > > > > For GMY it is not necessary that 7 planets will be in 7 > > houses. When > > > > there > > > > > are planets in 5 houses in line is a full GMY. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Gaurav > Ghosh > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from > Lagna. > > > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts. The dasa sequence was > Ketu, > > > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position > in D-6 > > > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > > > couldn't > > > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > > > the MD > > > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > > > to see > > > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, > being > > > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > > > auspicious.If > > > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in > 12th > > > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > > > There > > > > > is actually none. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > > > planets > > > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > > > play(reference > > > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > > > V.S.Sastri, > > > > > Ranjan publication). > > > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > > > exalted in > > > > > lagna) > > > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > > > function. One > > > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > > > from the > > > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the > > > yoga to > > > > > start > > > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > > > chart has > > > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when > Rahu > > > > matures. > > > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. > This will > > > > bind a > > > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic > > than KSY > > > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > > > This is > > > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and > Rahu by > > > > graha > > > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > > > hard to > > > > > go. Also > > > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka > (AK) > > > > Sun and > > > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, > > suffering is > > > > > terrible. > > > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > > > punishment, as > > > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for > this > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > > > vimsottory > > > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of > > spinal > > > > > cord in > > > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of > > incidents, we > > > > > may break > > > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Prashant > > > > Kumar G B > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > > > experience if u > > > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa > is not > > > > > on so no > > > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and > > sani on > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH > IN d9 > > > > > AND RAVI > > > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or > chandra > > > > with > > > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > > > more > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will > > differ > > > > > from > > > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > > posting to > > > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > > > picture in the > > > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > > > unknown > > > > > folder. > > > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > > > chargeable. see > > > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant > Kumar Life > > > > Member > > > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & > > > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am > > Bangalore, > > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have > > been a > > > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > > > KSY has > > > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped > > person from > > > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > > > planets > > > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely > > crippled all > > > > > > the > > > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > > > only 2 > > > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ > > Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Dear Gaurav, Then their navamsa is to be corrected. This is an easy way for birth time correction. Get a feedback from them about there ability and interests like acting, music, dance, playing instruments etc. and their navamsa can be corrected accordingly. Actually hardly birth times are accurate. At the time of birth, saving the child is of more priority to the doctor, not noting the time. So, what happens is, after everything is stable, the doctor just deduct some approximate time and note down the birth time. After that also there are questions, which time to be considered. When the full child is born or when first head comes out or when the ambilical cord is cut. Actually when ambilical cord is cut, the child comes to exist in this world of his own and that is the exact time. So all most all charts require rectification. The time may get changed upto 7-8 minutes after navamsa correction. In my own case hospital time shows 16:03. But my guru corrected it to 15:57 Of course navamsa is not the only varga for birth time correction. for more precise correction 1st D3 for brothers and sister, then navamsa, then D10 for confirming proffession, D12 for confirming about parents, D20 for looking at spirituality griha devata etc., then D24 for confirming education and lastly D60. From D60 arudha past life is seen and D60 lagna will tell about this life. And navamsa has nothing to do with proffession. We can only see the natives ability or interests. Of course there is much more in navamsa. Regards Jk On Behalf Of Monday, January 19, 2009 1:43 PM Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Dasgupta, Unfortunately it was a typing error while I forgot to put to the " dont know " in between.My apologies for that. Regarding your analysis,I am writing my comments below:- 1st person---He has no knowledge in Sanskrit, nor he is going to learn in his future. However, he has no interest in mantrashastra as well & he is the food service industry, works in a restaurant, as a trainee manager. 2nd person---He may pickup language easily,of which I am not aware of.He is not interested in reading scriptures. However, he works in some shipping corporation, which he told me. I have to follow up with them, regarding their birth. Thank you, . , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > 1st person is having Jup in trine in D9. Jup in trine gives knowledge in > language, specially Sanskrit. But it is in 9H, he has to learn in from > teacher. He also has Rahu there. That may make him interested in > mantrashastra or knowledge in handling deadly chemicals. > > 2nd pers has Jup in 7H. He will also pick up languages easily. He also has > Sat in lagna & Ketu in trine. Sat will make him reading scriptures and ketu > will make him good in computer hardware or any small inticated machineries - > like watch etc. > > Check back with them. Both of them were born either by forcep or by surgery. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > On Behalf Of > Monday, January 19, 2009 12:59 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > Exactly. Even I couldn't find the reasons for knowing Sanskrit for > these two people, whose detail mention below:- > 1)Sept2, 1983, 3:35 am, Kolkata(Jupiter in Kona) > 2)Oct 5, 1971, 21:14 hrs, Jodhpur(73E02, 26N17, Rajasthan)(Jupiter in > Kendra from Lagna). > May be you will be able to enlighten me more on this. > Thank you, > . > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > See, how parampara knowledge works. You will not get this in any of the > > scriptures. > > :-) > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > Monday, January 19, 2009 12:00 PM > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > > Yes, I have retro Jup in 7th house from Navamsha lagna.Regarding my > > knowledge in Sanskrit, its upon others to judge. > > Thank you, > > . > > htt://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > > > Are you having Jup in trine or in 7H from Navamsa lagna? Must > be, else > > > correct your chart. Because you have knowledge in Sanskrit. > > > > > > I am zero in sanskrit, so reading original texts and understanding > > meaning > > > is not possible and I never try it. So I only follow my master's > words. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:48 PM > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > > > I have gone through Jatak Parijata again to find any corrupted > > > meaning/translation by Late Shree V.S.Shastri, who has done > > > translation of various books like Brihat Jataka, Horasara, > > > UttarKalamrita, Sripati Paddhati etc & was a scholar. > > > If that be the case,lets see what is the original text in Jatak > > Parijata:- > > > " Lagnaadisaptagrihagaa yadi saptakhetaa jaato > > > mahipatiranekagajaashwanaathah|.... " > > > --meaning " lagnaadi " , starting from the Lagna till 7th house > > > " Saptagrihagaa " ... > > > " yadi saptakhetaa " if seven planets happen to > occupy(khetaa-planets).. > > > " jaato mahipatih " ...person with such combination is a king > > > " aneka-gaja-ashwa-naathah " -...he becomes owner of many elephants & > > > horses. I guess this meaning is not corrupted now. > > > I have gone through BPHS, unfortunately I couldn't find Graha Malika > > > Yoga in Nabhas Yogas chapter. However there is Mala Yoga or Srak > Yoga, > > > in akriti yogas category, which says " Kendratrayegataih > > > saumyaei " ...the three kendras(kendratraye) should be occupied by > > > benefics(soumye), & these confer benefic results. > > > Yes, Astrology is definitely a divine subject who should be learnt > > > from the right & experienced master. I never had the opportunity > learn > > > it from the right master, as my parents would never allow > me.However, > > > as a friend, I learnt it informally from my astrologer who has more > > > than 70years experience in astrology. > > > A grahamalika yoga is a grahamalika yoga ....there is nothing > small or > > > big.regarding KSY, I have my own reservations, & I dont accept this > > > obnoxious yoga, since it has no classical validity. > > > Thank you, > > > . > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Why you want to throw away your books? All scriptures are of equal > > > > importance. But we have to understand it. Also many available > > > translations > > > > are corrupted and cannot be fully depended upon. Jyotish is a > devine > > > subject > > > > and it is always better to learn it from a master. > > > > > > > > Please have a look at, > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3963/dasamsa.html > > > > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/yoga-basics.html > > > > > > > > As far as I remember, Parasara mentions about akriti yoga in the > > yoga > > > > chapter. The Graha mallika is a sub class from the Aakriti yoga. > > > > > > > > However, I strictly follow the teaching of my parampara. I > have been > > > taught > > > > that even small GMY consisting of 3 houses only also have some > > > effect. And > > > > when this full yoga is prominent in a chart, normal vimsottory > dasa > > > does not > > > > work. We use a special dasa mentioned in Agnipurana. > > > > > > > > This yoga is given equal impotance after KSY/KAY. But you hardly > > get any > > > > direct reference of KSY/KAY in scriptures. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Gaurav Ghosh > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:26 PM > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > Dear Mr.Dasgupta, > > > > Can you please quote any classic which is supportive of your > > view???It > > > > would be really pleasure & if I am convinced, I can certainly > throw > > > > Jatak parijata to the trash can or since it is valuable, may > > donate it > > > > to the needy, who doesn't have it. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > . > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > > > > > > > For GMY it is not necessary that 7 planets will be in 7 > > houses. When > > > > there > > > > > are planets in 5 houses in line is a full GMY. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Gaurav > Ghosh > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from > Lagna. > > > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts. The dasa sequence was > Ketu, > > > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position > in D-6 > > > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > > > couldn't > > > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > > > the MD > > > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > > > to see > > > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, > being > > > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > > > auspicious.If > > > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in > 12th > > > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > > > There > > > > > is actually none. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > > > planets > > > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > > > play(reference > > > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > > > V.S.Sastri, > > > > > Ranjan publication). > > > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > > > exalted in > > > > > lagna) > > > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > > > function. One > > > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > > > from the > > > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the > > > yoga to > > > > > start > > > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > > > chart has > > > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when > Rahu > > > > matures. > > > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. > This will > > > > bind a > > > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic > > than KSY > > > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > > > This is > > > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and > Rahu by > > > > graha > > > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > > > hard to > > > > > go. Also > > > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka > (AK) > > > > Sun and > > > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, > > suffering is > > > > > terrible. > > > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > > > punishment, as > > > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for > this > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > > > vimsottory > > > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of > > spinal > > > > > cord in > > > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of > > incidents, we > > > > > may break > > > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Prashant > > > > Kumar G B > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > > > experience if u > > > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa > is not > > > > > on so no > > > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and > > sani on > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH > IN d9 > > > > > AND RAVI > > > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or > chandra > > > > with > > > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > > > more > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will > > differ > > > > > from > > > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > > posting to > > > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > > > picture in the > > > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > > > unknown > > > > > folder. > > > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > > > chargeable. see > > > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant > Kumar Life > > > > Member > > > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & > > > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am > > Bangalore, > > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have > > been a > > > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > > > KSY has > > > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped > > person from > > > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > > > planets > > > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely > > crippled all > > > > > > the > > > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > > > only 2 > > > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ > > Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Dasgupta, The 1st person was born with normal delivery. Thank you, . http://gauravastro.150m.com , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > 1st person is having Jup in trine in D9. Jup in trine gives knowledge in > language, specially Sanskrit. But it is in 9H, he has to learn in from > teacher. He also has Rahu there. That may make him interested in > mantrashastra or knowledge in handling deadly chemicals. > > 2nd pers has Jup in 7H. He will also pick up languages easily. He also has > Sat in lagna & Ketu in trine. Sat will make him reading scriptures and ketu > will make him good in computer hardware or any small inticated machineries - > like watch etc. > > Check back with them. Both of them were born either by forcep or by surgery. > > Regards > > Jk > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Probably the navamsa requires rectification On Behalf Of Monday, January 19, 2009 4:07 PM Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Dasgupta, The 1st person was born with normal delivery. Thank you, . http://gauravastro.150m.com , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > 1st person is having Jup in trine in D9. Jup in trine gives knowledge in > language, specially Sanskrit. But it is in 9H, he has to learn in from > teacher. He also has Rahu there. That may make him interested in > mantrashastra or knowledge in handling deadly chemicals. > > 2nd pers has Jup in 7H. He will also pick up languages easily. He also has > Sat in lagna & Ketu in trine. Sat will make him reading scriptures and ketu > will make him good in computer hardware or any small inticated machineries - > like watch etc. > > Check back with them. Both of them were born either by forcep or by surgery. > > Regards > > Jk > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Dear Haresh jee, Will you provide us the references,litreature and any authentic text about this KSY.What is the defination,What are the classification and respective their effects for our better understanding. Please provide the books name(With details of publication) which we can use as authentic reference.I would like to know this KSY in detail,because i must know it if i am in Astrology field. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405 wrote: > > Dear All > > U r creating a phobia that KSY is being exploited, u all esteemed astrologers I would like to ask u a simple thing. If a native is suffering from some problems even though his benefic grah dasha is on, due to KSY, can u justify or give an explanation on, due to what reasons the native is hvg tough time, other than KSY. > > I think the term KSY is not understood properly. Their r type of KSY & native suffers according to the nature & type of KSY. All Ksy do not give same problems. KSY can give problems related to finances, health, marital life, education, relationships, property matters. It all depends on from which bhav the KSY starts. > > One example I have already given my comments, with justification, it seems except Vinay Jha no one bothered to even read it. The astrologer gave ill health & poor mental & physical growth due to KSY whereas it was not right. U should point out to that astrologer on what grounds or technicalities the astro has justfied KSY related to ill health rather making a blunt & unjustified statement that astrologers are exploiting KSY. > > Pls understand KSY properly, understand the technicalities and then comment. KSY also give financial prosperity but in these cases the other departments of life like marital life or family relationship or poor health gets affected.. > >  > GOD BLESS YOU > WITH WARM REGARDS > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > VAASTU CONSULTANT > CELL +919867214103 > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > ________________________________ > PRADEEP SAHAI <sahaip123 > > Monday, 19 January, 2009 11:09:23 AM > Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > Dear Prashantji and Bohraji, > You are right the Kala-Sarpa yoga has been exploited very badly by some Astrologers. The name itself can invoke a kind of fear in the lay person. What is actually funny is a lot of times in my experience the Kala amrit Yoga has also been put under the same scanner as KSY. >  > Similarly the myths and fears concerning Saturn are doing the rounds all the time. Nobody even mentions Jupiter or Mercury , though they can be param marakas. >  > Perhaps we should start a thread here on the benevolence of Saturn and the nodes. If nothing it will educate the prediction seeker to be more discerning. >  > Also teach some to question the learned pundits featuring on Television shows and putting the fear of death into common persons!! > Take care > Vats >  >  > > --- On Mon, 19/1/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > Monday, 19 January, 2009, 10:39 AM > > Bhora, > > this is what he has used -proof lies in eating [porridge] it is said, it may be simpler for u to locate some ol ISSUES OF AM esp Annual nos , sept nos of any yr has many good articles even on this, I am looking at what is applied and seen as workable, just because he said it is blind faith > > I am also saying that in the name of it miscrients rather than astrologers r misusing, and bringing it a bad name > > I am not sure if u have heard of the RAHU KALAM puja this is the latest in such series, where on Tuesdays and Fridays temple conduct rahu kalam pujas specially > > at least as I know in afternoons most temples r closed till 4.30 WHERE pUJAS R DONE BY AGAMA PRACTICES BUT SOME TEMPLES LIKE ttd, sabarimala ETC R BEYOND THIS. > and many temples in the North > > but exploiting a rahu kulam period for a puja is strange not given by scriptures though > > BUT IN THE END whatever it is ppl r visiting a temple which we must do anyway. > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > Monday, January 19, 2009 12:51:29 AM > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > Dear Prashant jee, > > I am not against who claim KSY,my concern is reliability and formation > of these Yoga backed by ancient text. BV Raman jee have covered so > many uncommon Yoga than why not so popular Yoga?Have KN Rao jee > confirmed these Yoga? > > It is nice that you have get the opportunity to learn under a Guru.Old > time Guru search for able " Shishya " but today's time we have to search > able Guru. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Bhora, > > > > Pl get some ANNUAL NUMBERS OF B V RAMAN'S ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE and > see the world tensions, trends this will show u him covering it > explicitly on the examples I said. > > > > we cant say why he did or did not cover a yoga IN THE BOOK AND IT IS > SURELY MORE THAN 300 YOGAS kn rao HAS BROUGHT SOME MORE IN HIS WORKS. > > THERE R MANY FACTORS THAT SHAPE A RESULT AND WE MUST NOT FIX IT ON > ONE OR TWO FACTORS, > > > > and KSY is a abused yoga b t greedy ppl will say so no problem but > wishing it away is not tthe way. > > > > > > I have studied under a Guru for a long time to say it confidently > since 86-2002 inspite of my depth in the subject felt worthwhile being > under him even today if time permits will do it. he has called me to > assist him when he is overloaded now with advanced age at 86 is seeing > less no of ppl anyway. some I do anser by e-mail to his grand daughter > who passes them to the clients when he is sick or unable to meet his > commitment. > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:59:58 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > I could not dare to put any question mark on B.V.Raman jee,I am using > > his so many books.As like 300 Yogas, in this book he have given most > > of Yogas but you will not find these two Yogas.Where these two were > > also famous in his life and it is not possible to untouched them by BV > > Raman jee if he find there reliability. > > > > As per Pt.Nehru jee's ,he was Cancer Ascendant and you will find many > > cancer person have the same problems,what are reason we have to > > search.As about so called KSY Sachin Tendulkar have,Murari Bapu have, > > there is not bad effect as says.Every one on the earth have some > > benefice and some malefic result in his life.That is not mean we > > justify the reason by our view of angle only. > > > > Rahu & ketu are nods,even they depended on occupied sign to exhibit > > his result.We considering them planet but the are not have any > > Physical existence. > > > > We are not having any Gurukul system and it is very difficult to > > choose right Guru so we are learning by books and by experiences of > > our and others only.Commercial aspects have polluted the pure > > knowledge in every field. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Bhora, > > > > > > u have answered it as I have also in a earlier post " all applicabe > > factors have a role " so it can be good or bad based on it > > > > > > J Nehru our 1ST PM had it, it did not stop him from being PM for so > > long so it is a good one he suffered w.r.t marriage as most time wwa > > in jail or hospital with his sick wife who die of TB quite early, he > > did have affairs in between to keep his cool so some drawbacks,. some > > gains u will find several ppl who had both good and bad results again > > applicable factors have a role > > > > > > none of us have read as much as B V RAMAN ji has so I take his > > words, works seriously > > > > > > if we ignore Raman ji and swami vivekananda [for Hinduism' survival > > today] tyhen it is disservice to the subject in question- ramaji > > masterd vedas and met several scholars world over, so has KN RAO ji > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:23:55 PM > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > > > These are good result or bad result after all? > > > > > > We should know the real positions of all planets which contribute to > > > give the final result.It has to be analyse the whole chart before any > > > conclusion. > > > > > > It was my views and other may have their views. we respect each others > > > views.But i have not find any references about these yogas.If you have > > > than please share it. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhora, > > > > > > > > It is unfair to say that the 2 much bashed points in astrology KSY, > > > SADE SAAT [and 3rdly Mangalik] have NO RELEVANCE > > > > > > > > B V RAMANji has used this references in many situations esp his WW1 > > > AND WW2 FORECASTS Indian Independence, UNO founding charts etc > > > > > > > > so they exist the point is the exploitation of it by less qualified > > > astrologers or purohits who use it cleverly to make money from fear > > > [this is sad and BAD] > > > > > > > > they do exist and in some way or other affect ppl again depending on > > > other applicable factors > > > > > > > > dasa, strength of grahas, ashtakavarga, Yogas etc > > > > > > > > Abt 7.5 Sani > > > > > > > > u can see it tests a person by fire and the strong survive weak fall > > > down by their own short comings sani is a hard task master, teacher, > > > guide for life > > > > > > > > look at DEVE GOWDA WHO BECAME CM, PM in its time > > > > > > > > and PV Narshima rao ji who became PM in a strange situation with > > > economy at its worst [like Obama is facing in US now with his Ardha > > > ashtama sani] > > > > > > > > Narshima rao had many challenges he did so well in the end as he was > > > a great scholar, visionary, statesman, but for him the ecconomoci > > > might of India would have never be seen he brought Manmohan singh in > > > and gave him a free had > > > > > > > > IT, BIOTECH , communications, came to good progress in time to lifft > > > India into world stage > > > > > > > > he was tested by Ayodhya, Mumbai riots, defections, sri lanka, > > > china, pak, bangladesh problems etc but stood tall worked his > > > challenges like a ant not visible but has his imprint in history, but > > > Gowda remains a sleeping leader by accident > > > > > > > > > > > > don't discard what we don't lnow as elders have used it in the right > > > way, crooks have used them in their crooked ways > > > > > > > > BTW MAN MOHAN SINGH IS ALSO IN MIDST OF SADE SAAT has faced enough > > > challenges well so far. > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > > from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide > > > a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi > > > one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my > > > personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for > > > more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > http://groups.. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:52:18 PM > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > > > The most famous fear generating as well as money generating Yogas of > > > > today ,in Astrological field are KSY and " Sani ki sadesathi " .Natives > > > > are in fear because they said that they have these yoga and they are > > > > only responsible for bad result which they are getting. > > > > > > > > People have different views on these two,they have their own reasons > > > > and interpretations.. I would like to share my view. > > > > > > > > These two Yogas not given in any ancient text of Astrology and there > > > > is no any references about it. > > > > > > > > As like " Sadesati " ,for 7 and 1/2 year of transit of Saturn,from 12th > > > > house to 1st by Moon Sign.It called 'Sani ki Sadesati' which > comes in > > > > every human life in every interval of 30 years.You will not find any > > > > one to suffer for this period.See the all Mukesh Ambani,Anil > > > > Ambani,Sunil Mittal,Ratan Tata,Laxmi Mittal....ect. Reason of bad > > > > period is some thing else not this Transit of Saturn only,but fear > > > > have been created because of some thing else by name of Sadesati. > > > > > > > > Now see KSY,this Yoga describe as all planets comes in between the > > > > Nods,Rahu and Ketu.It is very interesting to know that our great > > > > founder of Astrology and developer never given any Yoga as " Kal Sarp > > > > Yoga " ,they have give one Yoga as " Sarp-Yoga " and in this Rahu and > > > > Keatu are not involved at all. > > > > > > > > Maharishi Parashar have stated Sarp Yoga as " If Sun,Saturn and > > > > Mars,these malefic occupies Three Kendra Sthana(1-2-3- 4) and > benefice > > > > occupies except Kenra Sthana,it will create " Sarp Yoga " . > > > > > > > > The Yoga KSY have created by some years back only, by some money > > > > sucker Astrologer and Karamkandi.They have describe its 12 form > > > > related to each house as like Rahu in 1st House,Rahu in 2nd house as > > > > like this.The planetary position have described as all planets comes > > > > in between Rahu and Ketu and if one planet beyond this they said it > > > > " Aanshik KSY " .Than I would like to say there are 3456 types of KSY. > > > > > > > > How?If Rahu in Ascendant in Aries sign it will create one type > of yoga > > > > and if Ascendant sign is Taurus than it will give other result than > > > > first one. As like we will get, 12 multiply 12 = 144 yoga and each > > > > Yoga also form by two way R to K and K to R. than it will become 288 > > > > types and one planet is beyond than again multiply by 12 it will > > > > become 3456 types of Yogas.How will we describe these all Yogas? > > > > > > > > We are in the field of auspicious knowledge and people comes to us > > > > with faith.It is our responsibilities to give them right > > > > interpretation of Astrology and advise them accordingly. > > > > > > > > It is my vies about these Yoga,if I am wrong any where than our > > > > learned senior member will correct me.No one take it as any > > > > offence,every one have their own views,personal experiences and > > > > assumptions. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , " " > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from Lagna. > > > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts. The dasa sequence was Ketu, > > > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position in D-6 > > > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > > couldn't > > > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > > the MD > > > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > > to see > > > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, being > > > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > > auspicious.If > > > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in 12th > > > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > > There > > > > > is actually none. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > > planets > > > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > > play(reference > > > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > > V.S.Sastri, > > > > > Ranjan publication) . > > > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > > exalted in > > > > > lagna) > > > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > > > function. One > > > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > > from the > > > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the > > yoga to > > > > > start > > > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > > > chart has > > > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when Rahu > > > > matures. > > > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. This will > > > > bind a > > > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic > than KSY > > > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > > This is > > > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and Rahu by > > > graha > > > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > > hard to > > > > > go. Also > > > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka (AK) > > > > Sun and > > > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, > suffering is > > > > > terrible. > > > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > > > punishment, as > > > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for this > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > > > vimsottory > > > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of > spinal > > > > > cord in > > > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of > incidents, we > > > > > may break > > > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Jyotish_ Remedies]On Behalf Of > Prashant > > > > Kumar G B > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > > > experience if u > > > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa > is not > > > > > on so no > > > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and > > sani on > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH > IN d9 > > > > > AND RAVI > > > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or > chandra > > > > with > > > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > > more > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will > > differ > > > > > from > > > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > > posting to > > > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > > > picture in the > > > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > > unknown > > > > > folder. > > > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > > > chargeable. see > > > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life > > > > Member > > > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > > method=reportRow s & > > > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am > > Bangalore, > > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have > > been a > > > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > > > KSY has > > > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped > > person from > > > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > > > planets > > > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely > > crippled all > > > > > > the > > > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > > > only 2 > > > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ > Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Dear Msbohra I hv not learnt from any book but from my guru. Since I hv promised to my guru without his permission I cannot share this information. Pls excuse me for this.  GOD BLESS YOU WITH WARM REGARDS HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTOLOGER VAASTU CONSULTANT CELL +919867214103 (MUMBAI,INDIA) http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database ________________________________ msbohra62 <msbohra62 Monday, 19 January, 2009 9:36:36 PM Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 Dear Haresh jee, Will you provide us the references,litreatu re and any authentic text about this KSY.What is the defination,What are the classification and respective their effects for our better understanding. Please provide the books name(With details of publication) which we can use as authentic reference.I would like to know this KSY in detail,because i must know it if i am in Astrology field. Thanks, M.S.Bohra @ .. com, " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > Dear All > > U r creating a phobia that KSY is being exploited, u all esteemed astrologers I would like to ask u a simple thing. If a native is suffering from some problems even though his benefic grah dasha is on, due to KSY, can u justify or give an explanation on, due to what reasons the native is hvg tough time, other than KSY. > > I think the term KSY is not understood properly. Their r type of KSY & native suffers according to the nature & type of KSY. All Ksy do not give same problems. KSY can give problems related to finances, health, marital life, education, relationships, property matters. It all depends on from which bhav the KSY starts. > > One example I have already given my comments, with justification, it seems except Vinay Jha no one bothered to even read it. The astrologer gave ill health & poor mental & physical growth due to KSY whereas it was not right. U should point out to that astrologer on what grounds or technicalities the astro has justfied KSY related to ill health rather making a blunt & unjustified statement that astrologers are exploiting KSY. > > Pls understand KSY properly, understand the technicalities and then comment. KSY also give financial prosperity but in these cases the other departments of life like marital life or family relationship or poor health gets affected.. > >  > GOD BLESS YOU > WITH WARM REGARDS > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > VAASTU CONSULTANT > CELL +919867214103 > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > PRADEEP SAHAI <sahaip123@. ..> > > Monday, 19 January, 2009 11:09:23 AM > Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > Dear Prashantji and Bohraji, > You are right the Kala-Sarpa yoga has been exploited very badly by some Astrologers. The name itself can invoke a kind of fear in the lay person. What is actually funny is a lot of times in my experience the Kala amrit Yoga has also been put under the same scanner as KSY. >  > Similarly the myths and fears concerning Saturn are doing the rounds all the time. Nobody even mentions Jupiter or Mercury , though they can be param marakas. >  > Perhaps we should start a thread here on the benevolence of Saturn and the nodes. If nothing it will educate the prediction seeker to be more discerning. >  > Also teach some to question the learned pundits featuring on Television shows and putting the fear of death into common persons!! > Take care > Vats >  >  > > --- On Mon, 19/1/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > Monday, 19 January, 2009, 10:39 AM > > Bhora, > > this is what he has used -proof lies in eating [porridge] it is said, it may be simpler for u to locate some ol ISSUES OF AM esp Annual nos , sept nos of any yr has many good articles even on this, I am looking at what is applied and seen as workable, just because he said it is blind faith > > I am also saying that in the name of it miscrients rather than astrologers r misusing, and bringing it a bad name > > I am not sure if u have heard of the RAHU KALAM puja this is the latest in such series, where on Tuesdays and Fridays temple conduct rahu kalam pujas specially > > at least as I know in afternoons most temples r closed till 4.30 WHERE pUJAS R DONE BY AGAMA PRACTICES BUT SOME TEMPLES LIKE ttd, sabarimala ETC R BEYOND THIS. > and many temples in the North > > but exploiting a rahu kulam period for a puja is strange not given by scriptures though > > BUT IN THE END whatever it is ppl r visiting a temple which we must do anyway. > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > Monday, January 19, 2009 12:51:29 AM > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > Dear Prashant jee, > > I am not against who claim KSY,my concern is reliability and formation > of these Yoga backed by ancient text. BV Raman jee have covered so > many uncommon Yoga than why not so popular Yoga?Have KN Rao jee > confirmed these Yoga? > > It is nice that you have get the opportunity to learn under a Guru.Old > time Guru search for able " Shishya " but today's time we have to search > able Guru. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Bhora, > > > > Pl get some ANNUAL NUMBERS OF B V RAMAN'S ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE and > see the world tensions, trends this will show u him covering it > explicitly on the examples I said. > > > > we cant say why he did or did not cover a yoga IN THE BOOK AND IT IS > SURELY MORE THAN 300 YOGAS kn rao HAS BROUGHT SOME MORE IN HIS WORKS. > > THERE R MANY FACTORS THAT SHAPE A RESULT AND WE MUST NOT FIX IT ON > ONE OR TWO FACTORS, > > > > and KSY is a abused yoga b t greedy ppl will say so no problem but > wishing it away is not tthe way. > > > > > > I have studied under a Guru for a long time to say it confidently > since 86-2002 inspite of my depth in the subject felt worthwhile being > under him even today if time permits will do it. he has called me to > assist him when he is overloaded now with advanced age at 86 is seeing > less no of ppl anyway. some I do anser by e-mail to his grand daughter > who passes them to the clients when he is sick or unable to meet his > commitment. > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:59:58 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > I could not dare to put any question mark on B.V.Raman jee,I am using > > his so many books.As like 300 Yogas, in this book he have given most > > of Yogas but you will not find these two Yogas.Where these two were > > also famous in his life and it is not possible to untouched them by BV > > Raman jee if he find there reliability. > > > > As per Pt.Nehru jee's ,he was Cancer Ascendant and you will find many > > cancer person have the same problems,what are reason we have to > > search.As about so called KSY Sachin Tendulkar have,Murari Bapu have, > > there is not bad effect as says.Every one on the earth have some > > benefice and some malefic result in his life.That is not mean we > > justify the reason by our view of angle only. > > > > Rahu & ketu are nods,even they depended on occupied sign to exhibit > > his result.We considering them planet but the are not have any > > Physical existence. > > > > We are not having any Gurukul system and it is very difficult to > > choose right Guru so we are learning by books and by experiences of > > our and others only.Commercial aspects have polluted the pure > > knowledge in every field. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Bhora, > > > > > > u have answered it as I have also in a earlier post " all applicabe > > factors have a role " so it can be good or bad based on it > > > > > > J Nehru our 1ST PM had it, it did not stop him from being PM for so > > long so it is a good one he suffered w.r.t marriage as most time wwa > > in jail or hospital with his sick wife who die of TB quite early, he > > did have affairs in between to keep his cool so some drawbacks,. some > > gains u will find several ppl who had both good and bad results again > > applicable factors have a role > > > > > > none of us have read as much as B V RAMAN ji has so I take his > > words, works seriously > > > > > > if we ignore Raman ji and swami vivekananda [for Hinduism' survival > > today] tyhen it is disservice to the subject in question- ramaji > > masterd vedas and met several scholars world over, so has KN RAO ji > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:23:55 PM > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > > > These are good result or bad result after all? > > > > > > We should know the real positions of all planets which contribute to > > > give the final result.It has to be analyse the whole chart before any > > > conclusion. > > > > > > It was my views and other may have their views. we respect each others > > > views.But i have not find any references about these yogas.If you have > > > than please share it. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhora, > > > > > > > > It is unfair to say that the 2 much bashed points in astrology KSY, > > > SADE SAAT [and 3rdly Mangalik] have NO RELEVANCE > > > > > > > > B V RAMANji has used this references in many situations esp his WW1 > > > AND WW2 FORECASTS Indian Independence, UNO founding charts etc > > > > > > > > so they exist the point is the exploitation of it by less qualified > > > astrologers or purohits who use it cleverly to make money from fear > > > [this is sad and BAD] > > > > > > > > they do exist and in some way or other affect ppl again depending on > > > other applicable factors > > > > > > > > dasa, strength of grahas, ashtakavarga, Yogas etc > > > > > > > > Abt 7.5 Sani > > > > > > > > u can see it tests a person by fire and the strong survive weak fall > > > down by their own short comings sani is a hard task master, teacher, > > > guide for life > > > > > > > > look at DEVE GOWDA WHO BECAME CM, PM in its time > > > > > > > > and PV Narshima rao ji who became PM in a strange situation with > > > economy at its worst [like Obama is facing in US now with his Ardha > > > ashtama sani] > > > > > > > > Narshima rao had many challenges he did so well in the end as he was > > > a great scholar, visionary, statesman, but for him the ecconomoci > > > might of India would have never be seen he brought Manmohan singh in > > > and gave him a free had > > > > > > > > IT, BIOTECH , communications, came to good progress in time to lifft > > > India into world stage > > > > > > > > he was tested by Ayodhya, Mumbai riots, defections, sri lanka, > > > china, pak, bangladesh problems etc but stood tall worked his > > > challenges like a ant not visible but has his imprint in history, but > > > Gowda remains a sleeping leader by accident > > > > > > > > > > > > don't discard what we don't lnow as elders have used it in the right > > > way, crooks have used them in their crooked ways > > > > > > > > BTW MAN MOHAN SINGH IS ALSO IN MIDST OF SADE SAAT has faced enough > > > challenges well so far. > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > > from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide > > > a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi > > > one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my > > > personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for > > > more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > http://groups. . / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:52:18 PM > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > > > The most famous fear generating as well as money generating Yogas of > > > > today ,in Astrological field are KSY and " Sani ki sadesathi " .Natives > > > > are in fear because they said that they have these yoga and they are > > > > only responsible for bad result which they are getting. > > > > > > > > People have different views on these two,they have their own reasons > > > > and interpretations. . I would like to share my view. > > > > > > > > These two Yogas not given in any ancient text of Astrology and there > > > > is no any references about it. > > > > > > > > As like " Sadesati " ,for 7 and 1/2 year of transit of Saturn,from 12th > > > > house to 1st by Moon Sign.It called 'Sani ki Sadesati' which > comes in > > > > every human life in every interval of 30 years.You will not find any > > > > one to suffer for this period.See the all Mukesh Ambani,Anil > > > > Ambani,Sunil Mittal,Ratan Tata,Laxmi Mittal....ect. Reason of bad > > > > period is some thing else not this Transit of Saturn only,but fear > > > > have been created because of some thing else by name of Sadesati. > > > > > > > > Now see KSY,this Yoga describe as all planets comes in between the > > > > Nods,Rahu and Ketu.It is very interesting to know that our great > > > > founder of Astrology and developer never given any Yoga as " Kal Sarp > > > > Yoga " ,they have give one Yoga as " Sarp-Yoga " and in this Rahu and > > > > Keatu are not involved at all. > > > > > > > > Maharishi Parashar have stated Sarp Yoga as " If Sun,Saturn and > > > > Mars,these malefic occupies Three Kendra Sthana(1-2-3- 4) and > benefice > > > > occupies except Kenra Sthana,it will create " Sarp Yoga " . > > > > > > > > The Yoga KSY have created by some years back only, by some money > > > > sucker Astrologer and Karamkandi.They have describe its 12 form > > > > related to each house as like Rahu in 1st House,Rahu in 2nd house as > > > > like this.The planetary position have described as all planets comes > > > > in between Rahu and Ketu and if one planet beyond this they said it > > > > " Aanshik KSY " .Than I would like to say there are 3456 types of KSY. > > > > > > > > How?If Rahu in Ascendant in Aries sign it will create one type > of yoga > > > > and if Ascendant sign is Taurus than it will give other result than > > > > first one. As like we will get, 12 multiply 12 = 144 yoga and each > > > > Yoga also form by two way R to K and K to R. than it will become 288 > > > > types and one planet is beyond than again multiply by 12 it will > > > > become 3456 types of Yogas.How will we describe these all Yogas? > > > > > > > > We are in the field of auspicious knowledge and people comes to us > > > > with faith.It is our responsibilities to give them right > > > > interpretation of Astrology and advise them accordingly. > > > > > > > > It is my vies about these Yoga,if I am wrong any where than our > > > > learned senior member will correct me.No one take it as any > > > > offence,every one have their own views,personal experiences and > > > > assumptions. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , " " > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from Lagna. > > > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts.. The dasa sequence was Ketu, > > > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position in D-6 > > > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > > couldn't > > > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > > the MD > > > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > > to see > > > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, being > > > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > > auspicious.If > > > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in 12th > > > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > > There > > > > > is actually none.. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > > planets > > > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > > play(reference > > > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > > V.S.Sastri, > > > > > Ranjan publication) . > > > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > > exalted in > > > > > lagna) > > > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > > > function. One > > > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > > from the > > > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the > > yoga to > > > > > start > > > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > > > chart has > > > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when Rahu > > > > matures. > > > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. This will > > > > bind a > > > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic > than KSY > > > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > > This is > > > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and Rahu by > > > graha > > > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > > hard to > > > > > go. Also > > > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka (AK) > > > > Sun and > > > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, > suffering is > > > > > terrible. > > > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > > > punishment, as > > > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for this > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > > > vimsottory > > > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of > spinal > > > > > cord in > > > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of > incidents, we > > > > > may break > > > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Jyotish_ Remedies]On Behalf Of > Prashant > > > > Kumar G B > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > > > experience if u > > > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa > is not > > > > > on so no > > > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and > > sani on > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH > IN d9 > > > > > AND RAVI > > > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or > chandra > > > > with > > > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > > more > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will > > differ > > > > > from > > > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > > posting to > > > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > > > picture in the > > > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > > unknown > > > > > folder. > > > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > > > chargeable. see > > > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life > > > > Member > > > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > > method=reportRow s & > > > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am > > Bangalore, > > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have > > been a > > > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > > > KSY has > > > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped > > person from > > > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > > > planets > > > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely > > crippled all > > > > > > the > > > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > > > only 2 > > > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ > Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*/ Dear Members , Ignoring importance of these crucial yogas in the chart is like missing the pivot of the kundali & demanding the slokas for every detail of Jyotish is like forgetting what is parampara for. There are a lot in the scriptures which is given in indirect way and the secrets which one can get by association with Jyotish Guru is what makes one quallified astrologer, not the static rememberance of slokas which unjustified applience can mislead the client and astrologer. The area of affliction for these yogas always is connected to bhavas where the nodes sits. 2/8 financial struggles, 3/9 studies problems, 4/10 home/career issues etc. Kalasarpa usually makes one more into bhogamarga, opposite for kalamrta - but here we also have some exceptions. One can add these yogas into analysis or just reject it, but putting the statements in arrogant way without any strong basis is in bad tone. Regards Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- /*Consultations & Pages* http://rohinaa.com rafal/ > > Dear Msbohra > > I hv not learnt from any book but from my guru. Since I hv promised to > my guru without his permission I cannot share this information. Pls > excuse me for this. > > GOD BLESS YOU > WITH WARM REGARDS > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > VAASTU CONSULTANT > CELL +919867214103 > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in <msbohra62%40.co.in>> > > <%40> > Monday, 19 January, 2009 9:36:36 PM > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > Dear Haresh jee, > > Will you provide us the references,litreatu re and any authentic text > about this KSY.What is the defination,What are the classification and > respective their effects for our better understanding. > > Please provide the books name(With details of publication) which we > can use as authentic reference.I would like to know this KSY in > detail,because i must know it if i am in Astrology field. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > @ . . com, " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " > <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear All > > > > U r creating a phobia that KSY is being exploited, u all esteemed > astrologers I would like to ask u a simple thing. If a native is > suffering from some problems even though his benefic grah dasha is on, > due to KSY, can u justify or give an explanation on, due to what > reasons the native is hvg tough time, other than KSY. > > > > I think the term KSY is not understood properly. Their r type of KSY > & native suffers according to the nature & type of KSY. All Ksy do > not give same problems. KSY can give problems related to finances, > health, marital life, education, relationships, property matters. It > all depends on from which bhav the KSY starts. > > > > One example I have already given my comments, with > justification, it seems except Vinay Jha no one bothered to even read > it. The astrologer gave ill health & poor mental & physical growth > due to KSY whereas it was not right. U should point out to that > astrologer on what grounds or technicalities the astro has justfied > KSY related to ill health rather making a blunt & unjustified > statement that astrologers are exploiting KSY. > > > > Pls understand KSY properly, understand the technicalities and then > comment. KSY also give financial prosperity but in these cases the > other departments of life like marital life or family relationship or > poor health gets affected.. > > > >  > > GOD BLESS YOU > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > CELL +919867214103 > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > PRADEEP SAHAI <sahaip123@. ..> > > > > Monday, 19 January, 2009 11:09:23 AM > > Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > Dear Prashantji and Bohraji, > > You are right the Kala-Sarpa yoga has been exploited very badly by > some Astrologers. The name itself can invoke a kind of fear in the lay > person. What is actually funny is a lot of times in my experience the > Kala amrit Yoga has also been put under the same scanner as KSY. > >  > > Similarly the myths and fears concerning Saturn are doing the rounds > all the time. Nobody even mentions Jupiter or Mercury , though they > can be param marakas. > >  > > Perhaps we should start a thread here on the benevolence of Saturn > and the nodes. If nothing it will educate the prediction seeker to be > more discerning. > >  > > Also teach some to question the learned pundits featuring on > Television shows and putting the fear of death into common persons!! > > Take care > > Vats > >  > >  > > > > --- On Mon, 19/1/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > Monday, 19 January, 2009, 10:39 AM > > > > Bhora, > > > > this is what he has used -proof lies in eating [porridge] it is > said, it may be simpler for u to locate some ol ISSUES OF AM esp > Annual nos , sept nos of any yr has many good articles even on this, I > am looking at what is applied and seen as workable, just because he > said it is blind faith > > > > I am also saying that in the name of it miscrients rather than > astrologers r misusing, and bringing it a bad name > > > > I am not sure if u have heard of the RAHU KALAM puja this is the > latest in such series, where on Tuesdays and Fridays temple conduct > rahu kalam pujas specially > > > > at least as I know in afternoons most temples r closed till 4.30 > WHERE pUJAS R DONE BY AGAMA PRACTICES BUT SOME TEMPLES LIKE ttd, > sabarimala ETC R BEYOND THIS. > > and many temples in the North > > > > but exploiting a rahu kulam period for a puja is strange not given > by scriptures though > > > > BUT IN THE END whatever it is ppl r visiting a temple which we must > do anyway. > > > > prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > Monday, January 19, 2009 12:51:29 AM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > I am not against who claim KSY,my concern is reliability and formation > > of these Yoga backed by ancient text. BV Raman jee have covered so > > many uncommon Yoga than why not so popular Yoga?Have KN Rao jee > > confirmed these Yoga? > > > > It is nice that you have get the opportunity to learn under a Guru.Old > > time Guru search for able " Shishya " but today's time we have to search > > able Guru. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Bhora, > > > > > > Pl get some ANNUAL NUMBERS OF B V RAMAN'S ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE and > > see the world tensions, trends this will show u him covering it > > explicitly on the examples I said. > > > > > > we cant say why he did or did not cover a yoga IN THE BOOK AND IT IS > > SURELY MORE THAN 300 YOGAS kn rao HAS BROUGHT SOME MORE IN HIS WORKS. > > > THERE R MANY FACTORS THAT SHAPE A RESULT AND WE MUST NOT FIX IT ON > > ONE OR TWO FACTORS, > > > > > > and KSY is a abused yoga b t greedy ppl will say so no problem but > > wishing it away is not tthe way. > > > > > > > > > I have studied under a Guru for a long time to say it confidently > > since 86-2002 inspite of my depth in the subject felt worthwhile being > > under him even today if time permits will do it. he has called me to > > assist him when he is overloaded now with advanced age at 86 is seeing > > less no of ppl anyway. some I do anser by e-mail to his grand daughter > > who passes them to the clients when he is sick or unable to meet his > > commitment. > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:59:58 PM > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > > > I could not dare to put any question mark on B.V.Raman jee,I am using > > > his so many books.As like 300 Yogas, in this book he have given most > > > of Yogas but you will not find these two Yogas.Where these two were > > > also famous in his life and it is not possible to untouched them by BV > > > Raman jee if he find there reliability. > > > > > > As per Pt.Nehru jee's ,he was Cancer Ascendant and you will find many > > > cancer person have the same problems,what are reason we have to > > > search.As about so called KSY Sachin Tendulkar have,Murari Bapu have, > > > there is not bad effect as says.Every one on the earth have some > > > benefice and some malefic result in his life.That is not mean we > > > justify the reason by our view of angle only. > > > > > > Rahu & ketu are nods,even they depended on occupied sign to exhibit > > > his result.We considering them planet but the are not have any > > > Physical existence. > > > > > > We are not having any Gurukul system and it is very difficult to > > > choose right Guru so we are learning by books and by experiences of > > > our and others only.Commercial aspects have polluted the pure > > > knowledge in every field. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhora, > > > > > > > > u have answered it as I have also in a earlier post " all applicabe > > > factors have a role " so it can be good or bad based on it > > > > > > > > J Nehru our 1ST PM had it, it did not stop him from being PM for so > > > long so it is a good one he suffered w.r.t marriage as most time wwa > > > in jail or hospital with his sick wife who die of TB quite early, he > > > did have affairs in between to keep his cool so some drawbacks,. some > > > gains u will find several ppl who had both good and bad results again > > > applicable factors have a role > > > > > > > > none of us have read as much as B V RAMAN ji has so I take his > > > words, works seriously > > > > > > > > if we ignore Raman ji and swami vivekananda [for Hinduism' survival > > > today] tyhen it is disservice to the subject in question- ramaji > > > masterd vedas and met several scholars world over, so has KN RAO ji > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:23:55 PM > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > > > > > These are good result or bad result after all? > > > > > > > > We should know the real positions of all planets which contribute to > > > > give the final result.It has to be analyse the whole chart > before any > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > It was my views and other may have their views. we respect each > others > > > > views.But i have not find any references about these yogas.If > you have > > > > than please share it. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhora, > > > > > > > > > > It is unfair to say that the 2 much bashed points in astrology > KSY, > > > > SADE SAAT [and 3rdly Mangalik] have NO RELEVANCE > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMANji has used this references in many situations esp > his WW1 > > > > AND WW2 FORECASTS Indian Independence, UNO founding charts etc > > > > > > > > > > so they exist the point is the exploitation of it by less > qualified > > > > astrologers or purohits who use it cleverly to make money from fear > > > > [this is sad and BAD] > > > > > > > > > > they do exist and in some way or other affect ppl again > depending on > > > > other applicable factors > > > > > > > > > > dasa, strength of grahas, ashtakavarga, Yogas etc > > > > > > > > > > Abt 7.5 Sani > > > > > > > > > > u can see it tests a person by fire and the strong survive > weak fall > > > > down by their own short comings sani is a hard task master, teacher, > > > > guide for life > > > > > > > > > > look at DEVE GOWDA WHO BECAME CM, PM in its time > > > > > > > > > > and PV Narshima rao ji who became PM in a strange situation with > > > > economy at its worst [like Obama is facing in US now with his Ardha > > > > ashtama sani] > > > > > > > > > > Narshima rao had many challenges he did so well in the end as > he was > > > > a great scholar, visionary, statesman, but for him the ecconomoci > > > > might of India would have never be seen he brought Manmohan singh in > > > > and gave him a free had > > > > > > > > > > IT, BIOTECH , communications, came to good progress in time to > lifft > > > > India into world stage > > > > > > > > > > he was tested by Ayodhya, Mumbai riots, defections, sri lanka, > > > > china, pak, bangladesh problems etc but stood tall worked his > > > > challenges like a ant not visible but has his imprint in > history, but > > > > Gowda remains a sleeping leader by accident > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't discard what we don't lnow as elders have used it in the > right > > > > way, crooks have used them in their crooked ways > > > > > > > > > > BTW MAN MOHAN SINGH IS ALSO IN MIDST OF SADE SAAT has faced enough > > > > challenges well so far. > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > > > from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification > provide > > > > a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the > Lagna/rasi > > > > one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my > > > > personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for > > > > more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > http://groups. . / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > > method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:52:18 PM > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > > > > > The most famous fear generating as well as money generating > Yogas of > > > > > today ,in Astrological field are KSY and " Sani ki > sadesathi " .Natives > > > > > are in fear because they said that they have these yoga and > they are > > > > > only responsible for bad result which they are getting. > > > > > > > > > > People have different views on these two,they have their own > reasons > > > > > and interpretations. . I would like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > These two Yogas not given in any ancient text of Astrology and > there > > > > > is no any references about it. > > > > > > > > > > As like " Sadesati " ,for 7 and 1/2 year of transit of > Saturn,from 12th > > > > > house to 1st by Moon Sign.It called 'Sani ki Sadesati' which > > comes in > > > > > every human life in every interval of 30 years.You will not > find any > > > > > one to suffer for this period.See the all Mukesh Ambani,Anil > > > > > Ambani,Sunil Mittal,Ratan Tata,Laxmi Mittal....ect. Reason of bad > > > > > period is some thing else not this Transit of Saturn only,but fear > > > > > have been created because of some thing else by name of Sadesati. > > > > > > > > > > Now see KSY,this Yoga describe as all planets comes in between the > > > > > Nods,Rahu and Ketu.It is very interesting to know that our great > > > > > founder of Astrology and developer never given any Yoga as > " Kal Sarp > > > > > Yoga " ,they have give one Yoga as " Sarp-Yoga " and in this Rahu and > > > > > Keatu are not involved at all. > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Parashar have stated Sarp Yoga as " If Sun,Saturn and > > > > > Mars,these malefic occupies Three Kendra Sthana(1-2-3- 4) and > > benefice > > > > > occupies except Kenra Sthana,it will create " Sarp Yoga " . > > > > > > > > > > The Yoga KSY have created by some years back only, by some money > > > > > sucker Astrologer and Karamkandi.They have describe its 12 form > > > > > related to each house as like Rahu in 1st House,Rahu in 2nd > house as > > > > > like this.The planetary position have described as all planets > comes > > > > > in between Rahu and Ketu and if one planet beyond this they > said it > > > > > " Aanshik KSY " .Than I would like to say there are 3456 types of > KSY. > > > > > > > > > > How?If Rahu in Ascendant in Aries sign it will create one type > > of yoga > > > > > and if Ascendant sign is Taurus than it will give other result > than > > > > > first one. As like we will get, 12 multiply 12 = 144 yoga and each > > > > > Yoga also form by two way R to K and K to R. than it will > become 288 > > > > > types and one planet is beyond than again multiply by 12 it will > > > > > become 3456 types of Yogas.How will we describe these all Yogas? > > > > > > > > > > We are in the field of auspicious knowledge and people comes to us > > > > > with faith.It is our responsibilities to give them right > > > > > interpretation of Astrology and advise them accordingly. > > > > > > > > > > It is my vies about these Yoga,if I am wrong any where than our > > > > > learned senior member will correct me.No one take it as any > > > > > offence,every one have their own views,personal experiences and > > > > > assumptions. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > , " " > > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from > Lagna. > > > > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts.. The dasa sequence was > Ketu, > > > > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position > in D-6 > > > > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > > > couldn't > > > > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > > > the MD > > > > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > > > to see > > > > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, > being > > > > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > > > auspicious.If > > > > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in > 12th > > > > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > > > There > > > > > > is actually none.. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > > > planets > > > > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > > > play(reference > > > > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > > > V.S.Sastri, > > > > > > Ranjan publication) . > > > > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > > > exalted in > > > > > > lagna) > > > > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > > > > function. One > > > > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > > > from the > > > > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the > > > yoga to > > > > > > start > > > > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when > Rahu > > > > > matures. > > > > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. > This will > > > > > bind a > > > > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic > > than KSY > > > > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > > > This is > > > > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and > Rahu by > > > > graha > > > > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > > > hard to > > > > > > go. Also > > > > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka > (AK) > > > > > Sun and > > > > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, > > suffering is > > > > > > terrible. > > > > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > > > > punishment, as > > > > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for > this > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > > > > vimsottory > > > > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of > > spinal > > > > > > cord in > > > > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of > > incidents, we > > > > > > may break > > > > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Jyotish_ Remedies]On Behalf Of > > Prashant > > > > > Kumar G B > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > > > > experience if u > > > > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa > > is not > > > > > > on so no > > > > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and > > > sani on > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH > > IN d9 > > > > > > AND RAVI > > > > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or > > chandra > > > > > with > > > > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > > > more > > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will > > > differ > > > > > > from > > > > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > > > posting to > > > > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > > > > picture in the > > > > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > > > unknown > > > > > > folder. > > > > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > > > > chargeable. see > > > > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant > Kumar Life > > > > > Member > > > > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > > > method=reportRow s & > > > > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am > > > Bangalore, > > > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have > > > been a > > > > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > > > > KSY has > > > > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped > > > person from > > > > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > > > > planets > > > > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely > > > crippled all > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > > > > only 2 > > > > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ > > Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 dear friends each and every individual in this world is within his rights to express his opinion and all others within thier right summarily reject, partially agree or agree to the opinion of others. when discussing a subject of mythology, there will be believers and disbelievers. have you seen athiests daily visiting the places of worship and trying to shoe away the worshippers by laughingly stating that they are fools to worship a non visible god? the answer is no. then i do not understand why disbelivers of certain astro yogas or afflictions are striving to impress upon the natives not to beleive so and so. these astrologers are conveniently forgetting that they are discussing about mythical non existing non visible rahu and ketu who get allotted several stars and have 25 years out of 120 years of vimshottari mahadasa. mangal dosha or branding a person as manglik is no where written in ancient scriptures except individual results of mars in 7th, 8th, 12th etc. givign negative results. but manglik dosha has been accepted by most believers of astrology so these so called authorities of astrology do not waste time in brainwashing the natives that manglik dosha is a myth or a trash or a fraud created by jyotishis. one entire stream of astrology who runs its own schools believes and preaches various yogas like vipareeta rajayoga, neechabhanga rajayoga, uchhabhanga daridrayoga etc. which too do not find mention in ancient scriptures. will these self proclaimed decree passing astrologers scream from their rooftops that this entire school of astrology is fraud because they are propagating something which is not in the ancient scriptures. similar are grahana yoga and kalasarpa yogas caused by the nodes. if these astrologers have no tolerance for those who believe in things which they do not agree, they have no moral right to pass statements that all these others as fraud. using strong sick language such as fraud on other believers on something which these people dont believe is a psychological disorder where mutual coexistence of diverse beliefs is intolerable. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*/ > Dear Members , > > Ignoring importance of these crucial yogas in the chart is like missing > the pivot of the kundali & demanding the slokas for every detail of Jyotish > is like forgetting what is parampara for. There are a lot in the > scriptures which is given in indirect way and the secrets which one can > get by > association with Jyotish Guru is what makes one quallified astrologer, > not the static rememberance of slokas which unjustified applience can > mislead the client and astrologer. > > The area of affliction for these yogas always is connected to bhavas > where the nodes sits. 2/8 financial struggles, 3/9 studies problems, > 4/10 home/career issues etc. > > Kalasarpa usually makes one more into bhogamarga, opposite for kalamrta > - but here we also have some exceptions. > > One can add these yogas into analysis or just reject it, but putting the > statements in arrogant way without any strong basis is in bad tone. > > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > http://rohinaa.com > rafal/ > > > > Dear Msbohra > > > > I hv not learnt from any book but from my guru. Since I hv promised to > > my guru without his permission I cannot share this information. Pls > > excuse me for this. > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > CELL +919867214103 > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in <msbohra62% 40.co.in>> > > > > <%40> > > Monday, 19 January, 2009 9:36:36 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > Dear Haresh jee, > > > > Will you provide us the references,litreatu re and any authentic text > > about this KSY.What is the defination,What are the classification and > > respective their effects for our better understanding. > > > > Please provide the books name(With details of publication) which we > > can use as authentic reference.I would like to know this KSY in > > detail,because i must know it if i am in Astrology field. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > @ . . com, " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " > > <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > U r creating a phobia that KSY is being exploited, u all esteemed > > astrologers I would like to ask u a simple thing. If a native is > > suffering from some problems even though his benefic grah dasha is on, > > due to KSY, can u justify or give an explanation on, due to what > > reasons the native is hvg tough time, other than KSY. > > > > > > I think the term KSY is not understood properly. Their r type of KSY > > & native suffers according to the nature & type of KSY. All Ksy do > > not give same problems. KSY can give problems related to finances, > > health, marital life, education, relationships, property matters. It > > all depends on from which bhav the KSY starts. > > > > > > One example I have already given my comments, with > > justification, it seems except Vinay Jha no one bothered to even read > > it. The astrologer gave ill health & poor mental & physical growth > > due to KSY whereas it was not right. U should point out to that > > astrologer on what grounds or technicalities the astro has justfied > > KSY related to ill health rather making a blunt & unjustified > > statement that astrologers are exploiting KSY. > > > > > > Pls understand KSY properly, understand the technicalities and then > > comment. KSY also give financial prosperity but in these cases the > > other departments of life like marital life or family relationship or > > poor health gets affected.. > > > > > >  > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > PRADEEP SAHAI <sahaip123@ ..> > > > > > > Monday, 19 January, 2009 11:09:23 AM > > > Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashantji and Bohraji, > > > You are right the Kala-Sarpa yoga has been exploited very badly by > > some Astrologers. The name itself can invoke a kind of fear in the lay > > person. What is actually funny is a lot of times in my experience the > > Kala amrit Yoga has also been put under the same scanner as KSY. > > >  > > > Similarly the myths and fears concerning Saturn are doing the rounds > > all the time. Nobody even mentions Jupiter or Mercury , though they > > can be param marakas. > > >  > > > Perhaps we should start a thread here on the benevolence of Saturn > > and the nodes. If nothing it will educate the prediction seeker to be > > more discerning. > > >  > > > Also teach some to question the learned pundits featuring on > > Television shows and putting the fear of death into common persons!! > > > Take care > > > Vats > > >  > > >  > > > > > > --- On Mon, 19/1/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > Monday, 19 January, 2009, 10:39 AM > > > > > > Bhora, > > > > > > this is what he has used -proof lies in eating [porridge] it is > > said, it may be simpler for u to locate some ol ISSUES OF AM esp > > Annual nos , sept nos of any yr has many good articles even on this, I > > am looking at what is applied and seen as workable, just because he > > said it is blind faith > > > > > > I am also saying that in the name of it miscrients rather than > > astrologers r misusing, and bringing it a bad name > > > > > > I am not sure if u have heard of the RAHU KALAM puja this is the > > latest in such series, where on Tuesdays and Fridays temple conduct > > rahu kalam pujas specially > > > > > > at least as I know in afternoons most temples r closed till 4.30 > > WHERE pUJAS R DONE BY AGAMA PRACTICES BUT SOME TEMPLES LIKE ttd, > > sabarimala ETC R BEYOND THIS. > > > and many temples in the North > > > > > > but exploiting a rahu kulam period for a puja is strange not given > > by scriptures though > > > > > > BUT IN THE END whatever it is ppl r visiting a temple which we must > > do anyway. > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > Monday, January 19, 2009 12:51:29 AM > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > > > I am not against who claim KSY,my concern is reliability and formation > > > of these Yoga backed by ancient text. BV Raman jee have covered so > > > many uncommon Yoga than why not so popular Yoga?Have KN Rao jee > > > confirmed these Yoga? > > > > > > It is nice that you have get the opportunity to learn under a Guru.Old > > > time Guru search for able " Shishya " but today's time we have to search > > > able Guru. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhora, > > > > > > > > Pl get some ANNUAL NUMBERS OF B V RAMAN'S ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE and > > > see the world tensions, trends this will show u him covering it > > > explicitly on the examples I said. > > > > > > > > we cant say why he did or did not cover a yoga IN THE BOOK AND IT IS > > > SURELY MORE THAN 300 YOGAS kn rao HAS BROUGHT SOME MORE IN HIS WORKS. > > > > THERE R MANY FACTORS THAT SHAPE A RESULT AND WE MUST NOT FIX IT ON > > > ONE OR TWO FACTORS, > > > > > > > > and KSY is a abused yoga b t greedy ppl will say so no problem but > > > wishing it away is not tthe way. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have studied under a Guru for a long time to say it confidently > > > since 86-2002 inspite of my depth in the subject felt worthwhile being > > > under him even today if time permits will do it. he has called me to > > > assist him when he is overloaded now with advanced age at 86 is seeing > > > less no of ppl anyway. some I do anser by e-mail to his grand daughter > > > who passes them to the clients when he is sick or unable to meet his > > > commitment. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:59:58 PM > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > > > > > I could not dare to put any question mark on B.V.Raman jee,I am using > > > > his so many books.As like 300 Yogas, in this book he have given most > > > > of Yogas but you will not find these two Yogas.Where these two were > > > > also famous in his life and it is not possible to untouched them by BV > > > > Raman jee if he find there reliability. > > > > > > > > As per Pt.Nehru jee's ,he was Cancer Ascendant and you will find many > > > > cancer person have the same problems,what are reason we have to > > > > search.As about so called KSY Sachin Tendulkar have,Murari Bapu have, > > > > there is not bad effect as says.Every one on the earth have some > > > > benefice and some malefic result in his life.That is not mean we > > > > justify the reason by our view of angle only. > > > > > > > > Rahu & ketu are nods,even they depended on occupied sign to exhibit > > > > his result.We considering them planet but the are not have any > > > > Physical existence. > > > > > > > > We are not having any Gurukul system and it is very difficult to > > > > choose right Guru so we are learning by books and by experiences of > > > > our and others only.Commercial aspects have polluted the pure > > > > knowledge in every field. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhora, > > > > > > > > > > u have answered it as I have also in a earlier post " all applicabe > > > > factors have a role " so it can be good or bad based on it > > > > > > > > > > J Nehru our 1ST PM had it, it did not stop him from being PM for so > > > > long so it is a good one he suffered w.r.t marriage as most time wwa > > > > in jail or hospital with his sick wife who die of TB quite early, he > > > > did have affairs in between to keep his cool so some drawbacks,. some > > > > gains u will find several ppl who had both good and bad results again > > > > applicable factors have a role > > > > > > > > > > none of us have read as much as B V RAMAN ji has so I take his > > > > words, works seriously > > > > > > > > > > if we ignore Raman ji and swami vivekananda [for Hinduism' survival > > > > today] tyhen it is disservice to the subject in question- ramaji > > > > masterd vedas and met several scholars world over, so has KN RAO ji > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:23:55 PM > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > > > > > > > These are good result or bad result after all? > > > > > > > > > > We should know the real positions of all planets which contribute to > > > > > give the final result.It has to be analyse the whole chart > > before any > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > It was my views and other may have their views. we respect each > > others > > > > > views.But i have not find any references about these yogas.If > > you have > > > > > than please share it. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhora, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is unfair to say that the 2 much bashed points in astrology > > KSY, > > > > > SADE SAAT [and 3rdly Mangalik] have NO RELEVANCE > > > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMANji has used this references in many situations esp > > his WW1 > > > > > AND WW2 FORECASTS Indian Independence, UNO founding charts etc > > > > > > > > > > > > so they exist the point is the exploitation of it by less > > qualified > > > > > astrologers or purohits who use it cleverly to make money from fear > > > > > [this is sad and BAD] > > > > > > > > > > > > they do exist and in some way or other affect ppl again > > depending on > > > > > other applicable factors > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa, strength of grahas, ashtakavarga, Yogas etc > > > > > > > > > > > > Abt 7.5 Sani > > > > > > > > > > > > u can see it tests a person by fire and the strong survive > > weak fall > > > > > down by their own short comings sani is a hard task master, teacher, > > > > > guide for life > > > > > > > > > > > > look at DEVE GOWDA WHO BECAME CM, PM in its time > > > > > > > > > > > > and PV Narshima rao ji who became PM in a strange situation with > > > > > economy at its worst [like Obama is facing in US now with his Ardha > > > > > ashtama sani] > > > > > > > > > > > > Narshima rao had many challenges he did so well in the end as > > he was > > > > > a great scholar, visionary, statesman, but for him the ecconomoci > > > > > might of India would have never be seen he brought Manmohan singh in > > > > > and gave him a free had > > > > > > > > > > > > IT, BIOTECH , communications, came to good progress in time to > > lifft > > > > > India into world stage > > > > > > > > > > > > he was tested by Ayodhya, Mumbai riots, defections, sri lanka, > > > > > china, pak, bangladesh problems etc but stood tall worked his > > > > > challenges like a ant not visible but has his imprint in > > history, but > > > > > Gowda remains a sleeping leader by accident > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't discard what we don't lnow as elders have used it in the > > right > > > > > way, crooks have used them in their crooked ways > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW MAN MOHAN SINGH IS ALSO IN MIDST OF SADE SAAT has faced enough > > > > > challenges well so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > > > > from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > > posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification > > provide > > > > > a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the > > Lagna/rasi > > > > > one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my > > > > > personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for > > > > > more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. . / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > > > method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:52:18 PM > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > > > > > > > The most famous fear generating as well as money generating > > Yogas of > > > > > > today ,in Astrological field are KSY and " Sani ki > > sadesathi " .Natives > > > > > > are in fear because they said that they have these yoga and > > they are > > > > > > only responsible for bad result which they are getting. > > > > > > > > > > > > People have different views on these two,they have their own > > reasons > > > > > > and interpretations. . I would like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > These two Yogas not given in any ancient text of Astrology and > > there > > > > > > is no any references about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > As like " Sadesati " ,for 7 and 1/2 year of transit of > > Saturn,from 12th > > > > > > house to 1st by Moon Sign.It called 'Sani ki Sadesati' which > > > comes in > > > > > > every human life in every interval of 30 years.You will not > > find any > > > > > > one to suffer for this period.See the all Mukesh Ambani,Anil > > > > > > Ambani,Sunil Mittal,Ratan Tata,Laxmi Mittal....ect. Reason of bad > > > > > > period is some thing else not this Transit of Saturn only,but fear > > > > > > have been created because of some thing else by name of Sadesati. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now see KSY,this Yoga describe as all planets comes in between the > > > > > > Nods,Rahu and Ketu.It is very interesting to know that our great > > > > > > founder of Astrology and developer never given any Yoga as > > " Kal Sarp > > > > > > Yoga " ,they have give one Yoga as " Sarp-Yoga " and in this Rahu and > > > > > > Keatu are not involved at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Parashar have stated Sarp Yoga as " If Sun,Saturn and > > > > > > Mars,these malefic occupies Three Kendra Sthana(1-2-3- 4) and > > > benefice > > > > > > occupies except Kenra Sthana,it will create " Sarp Yoga " . > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yoga KSY have created by some years back only, by some money > > > > > > sucker Astrologer and Karamkandi.They have describe its 12 form > > > > > > related to each house as like Rahu in 1st House,Rahu in 2nd > > house as > > > > > > like this.The planetary position have described as all planets > > comes > > > > > > in between Rahu and Ketu and if one planet beyond this they > > said it > > > > > > " Aanshik KSY " .Than I would like to say there are 3456 types of > > KSY. > > > > > > > > > > > > How?If Rahu in Ascendant in Aries sign it will create one type > > > of yoga > > > > > > and if Ascendant sign is Taurus than it will give other result > > than > > > > > > first one. As like we will get, 12 multiply 12 = 144 yoga and each > > > > > > Yoga also form by two way R to K and K to R. than it will > > become 288 > > > > > > types and one planet is beyond than again multiply by 12 it will > > > > > > become 3456 types of Yogas.How will we describe these all Yogas? > > > > > > > > > > > > We are in the field of auspicious knowledge and people comes to us > > > > > > with faith.It is our responsibilities to give them right > > > > > > interpretation of Astrology and advise them accordingly. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is my vies about these Yoga,if I am wrong any where than our > > > > > > learned senior member will correct me.No one take it as any > > > > > > offence,every one have their own views,personal experiences and > > > > > > assumptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > , " " > > > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > > > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > > > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > > > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from > > Lagna. > > > > > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > > > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > > > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > > > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > > > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts.. The dasa sequence was > > Ketu, > > > > > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position > > in D-6 > > > > > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > > > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > > > > couldn't > > > > > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > > > > the MD > > > > > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > > > > to see > > > > > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > > > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > > > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, > > being > > > > > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > > > > auspicious.If > > > > > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in > > 12th > > > > > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > > > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > > > > There > > > > > > > is actually none.. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > > > > planets > > > > > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > > > > play(reference > > > > > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > > > > V.S.Sastri, > > > > > > > Ranjan publication) . > > > > > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > > > > exalted in > > > > > > > lagna) > > > > > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > > > > > function. One > > > > > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa. But in this case any of the > > > > yoga to > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when > > Rahu > > > > > > matures. > > > > > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. > > This will > > > > > > bind a > > > > > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic > > > than KSY > > > > > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > > > > This is > > > > > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and > > Rahu by > > > > > graha > > > > > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > > > > hard to > > > > > > > go. Also > > > > > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka > > (AK) > > > > > > Sun and > > > > > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, > > > suffering is > > > > > > > terrible. > > > > > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > > > > > punishment, as > > > > > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for > > this > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > > > > > vimsottory > > > > > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of > > > spinal > > > > > > > cord in > > > > > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of > > > incidents, we > > > > > > > may break > > > > > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Jyotish_ Remedies]On Behalf Of > > > Prashant > > > > > > Kumar G B > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > > > > > experience if u > > > > > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa > > > is not > > > > > > > on so no > > > > > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and > > > > sani on > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH > > > IN d9 > > > > > > > AND RAVI > > > > > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or > > > chandra > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > > > > more > > > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will > > > > differ > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > > > > posting to > > > > > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > > > > > picture in the > > > > > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > > > > unknown > > > > > > > folder. > > > > > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > > > > > chargeable. see > > > > > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant > > Kumar Life > > > > > > Member > > > > > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > > > > method=reportRow s & > > > > > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am > > > > Bangalore, > > > > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have > > > > been a > > > > > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > > > > > KSY has > > > > > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped > > > > person from > > > > > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely > > > > crippled all > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > > > > > only 2 > > > > > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ > > > Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Jyotish was never at a loss for teachers and Sages who came forward to share their knowledge with all of us, ready or not and therefore we have all these scriptures. Knowing that that was not enough, an entourage of teachers and gurus came forth and continue to ... While in awe and admiration of them all, past, present and those who shall emerge in future, one wonders if any of them was perfect, would not that TEACHER had been Final? Hence, the writings, articles and books and web-zines and so on continues, since nothing is final or we would simply need not read any more! RR , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*/ > Dear Members , > > Ignoring importance of these crucial yogas in the chart is like missing > the pivot of the kundali ...> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Well said, Mr Rafal Gendarz jee! -VJ ________________________________ Rafa³ Gendarz <starsuponme Monday, January 19, 2009 11:47:44 PM Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* / Dear Members , Ignoring importance of these crucial yogas in the chart is like missing the pivot of the kundali & demanding the slokas for every detail of Jyotish is like forgetting what is parampara for. There are a lot in the scriptures which is given in indirect way and the secrets which one can get by association with Jyotish Guru is what makes one quallified astrologer, not the static rememberance of slokas which unjustified applience can mislead the client and astrologer. The area of affliction for these yogas always is connected to bhavas where the nodes sits. 2/8 financial struggles, 3/9 studies problems, 4/10 home/career issues etc. Kalasarpa usually makes one more into bhogamarga, opposite for kalamrta - but here we also have some exceptions. One can add these yogas into analysis or just reject it, but putting the statements in arrogant way without any strong basis is in bad tone. Regards Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru ------------ -- /*Consultations & Pages* http://rohinaa. com rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com/ > > Dear Msbohra > > I hv not learnt from any book but from my guru. Since I hv promised to > my guru without his permission I cannot share this information. Pls > excuse me for this. > > GOD BLESS YOU > WITH WARM REGARDS > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > VAASTU CONSULTANT > CELL +919867214103 > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in <msbohra62% 40.co. in>> > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > Monday, 19 January, 2009 9:36:36 PM > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > Dear Haresh jee, > > Will you provide us the references,litreatu re and any authentic text > about this KSY.What is the defination,What are the classification and > respective their effects for our better understanding. > > Please provide the books name(With details of publication) which we > can use as authentic reference.I would like to know this KSY in > detail,because i must know it if i am in Astrology field. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > @ . . com, " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " > <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear All > > > > U r creating a phobia that KSY is being exploited, u all esteemed > astrologers I would like to ask u a simple thing. If a native is > suffering from some problems even though his benefic grah dasha is on, > due to KSY, can u justify or give an explanation on, due to what > reasons the native is hvg tough time, other than KSY. > > > > I think the term KSY is not understood properly. Their r type of KSY > & native suffers according to the nature & type of KSY. All Ksy do > not give same problems. KSY can give problems related to finances, > health, marital life, education, relationships, property matters. It > all depends on from which bhav the KSY starts. > > > > One example I have already given my comments, with > justification, it seems except Vinay Jha no one bothered to even read > it. The astrologer gave ill health & poor mental & physical growth > due to KSY whereas it was not right. U should point out to that > astrologer on what grounds or technicalities the astro has justfied > KSY related to ill health rather making a blunt & unjustified > statement that astrologers are exploiting KSY. > > > > Pls understand KSY properly, understand the technicalities and then > comment. KSY also give financial prosperity but in these cases the > other departments of life like marital life or family relationship or > poor health gets affected.. > > > >  > > GOD BLESS YOU > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > CELL +919867214103 > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > PRADEEP SAHAI <sahaip123@. ..> > > > > Monday, 19 January, 2009 11:09:23 AM > > Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > Dear Prashantji and Bohraji, > > You are right the Kala-Sarpa yoga has been exploited very badly by > some Astrologers. The name itself can invoke a kind of fear in the lay > person. What is actually funny is a lot of times in my experience the > Kala amrit Yoga has also been put under the same scanner as KSY. > >  > > Similarly the myths and fears concerning Saturn are doing the rounds > all the time. Nobody even mentions Jupiter or Mercury , though they > can be param marakas. > >  > > Perhaps we should start a thread here on the benevolence of Saturn > and the nodes. If nothing it will educate the prediction seeker to be > more discerning. > >  > > Also teach some to question the learned pundits featuring on > Television shows and putting the fear of death into common persons!! > > Take care > > Vats > >  > >  > > > > --- On Mon, 19/1/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > Monday, 19 January, 2009, 10:39 AM > > > > Bhora, > > > > this is what he has used -proof lies in eating [porridge] it is > said, it may be simpler for u to locate some ol ISSUES OF AM esp > Annual nos , sept nos of any yr has many good articles even on this, I > am looking at what is applied and seen as workable, just because he > said it is blind faith > > > > I am also saying that in the name of it miscrients rather than > astrologers r misusing, and bringing it a bad name > > > > I am not sure if u have heard of the RAHU KALAM puja this is the > latest in such series, where on Tuesdays and Fridays temple conduct > rahu kalam pujas specially > > > > at least as I know in afternoons most temples r closed till 4.30 > WHERE pUJAS R DONE BY AGAMA PRACTICES BUT SOME TEMPLES LIKE ttd, > sabarimala ETC R BEYOND THIS. > > and many temples in the North > > > > but exploiting a rahu kulam period for a puja is strange not given > by scriptures though > > > > BUT IN THE END whatever it is ppl r visiting a temple which we must > do anyway. > > > > prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > Monday, January 19, 2009 12:51:29 AM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > I am not against who claim KSY,my concern is reliability and formation > > of these Yoga backed by ancient text. BV Raman jee have covered so > > many uncommon Yoga than why not so popular Yoga?Have KN Rao jee > > confirmed these Yoga? > > > > It is nice that you have get the opportunity to learn under a Guru.Old > > time Guru search for able " Shishya " but today's time we have to search > > able Guru. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Bhora, > > > > > > Pl get some ANNUAL NUMBERS OF B V RAMAN'S ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE and > > see the world tensions, trends this will show u him covering it > > explicitly on the examples I said. > > > > > > we cant say why he did or did not cover a yoga IN THE BOOK AND IT IS > > SURELY MORE THAN 300 YOGAS kn rao HAS BROUGHT SOME MORE IN HIS WORKS. > > > THERE R MANY FACTORS THAT SHAPE A RESULT AND WE MUST NOT FIX IT ON > > ONE OR TWO FACTORS, > > > > > > and KSY is a abused yoga b t greedy ppl will say so no problem but > > wishing it away is not tthe way. > > > > > > > > > I have studied under a Guru for a long time to say it confidently > > since 86-2002 inspite of my depth in the subject felt worthwhile being > > under him even today if time permits will do it. he has called me to > > assist him when he is overloaded now with advanced age at 86 is seeing > > less no of ppl anyway. some I do anser by e-mail to his grand daughter > > who passes them to the clients when he is sick or unable to meet his > > commitment. > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:59:58 PM > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > > > I could not dare to put any question mark on B..V.Raman jee,I am using > > > his so many books.As like 300 Yogas, in this book he have given most > > > of Yogas but you will not find these two Yogas.Where these two were > > > also famous in his life and it is not possible to untouched them by BV > > > Raman jee if he find there reliability. > > > > > > As per Pt.Nehru jee's ,he was Cancer Ascendant and you will find many > > > cancer person have the same problems,what are reason we have to > > > search.As about so called KSY Sachin Tendulkar have,Murari Bapu have, > > > there is not bad effect as says.Every one on the earth have some > > > benefice and some malefic result in his life.That is not mean we > > > justify the reason by our view of angle only. > > > > > > Rahu & ketu are nods,even they depended on occupied sign to exhibit > > > his result.We considering them planet but the are not have any > > > Physical existence. > > > > > > We are not having any Gurukul system and it is very difficult to > > > choose right Guru so we are learning by books and by experiences of > > > our and others only.Commercial aspects have polluted the pure > > > knowledge in every field. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhora, > > > > > > > > u have answered it as I have also in a earlier post " all applicabe > > > factors have a role " so it can be good or bad based on it > > > > > > > > J Nehru our 1ST PM had it, it did not stop him from being PM for so > > > long so it is a good one he suffered w.r.t marriage as most time wwa > > > in jail or hospital with his sick wife who die of TB quite early, he > > > did have affairs in between to keep his cool so some drawbacks,. some > > > gains u will find several ppl who had both good and bad results again > > > applicable factors have a role > > > > > > > > none of us have read as much as B V RAMAN ji has so I take his > > > words, works seriously > > > > > > > > if we ignore Raman ji and swami vivekananda [for Hinduism' survival > > > today] tyhen it is disservice to the subject in question- ramaji > > > masterd vedas and met several scholars world over, so has KN RAO ji > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:23:55 PM > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > > > > > These are good result or bad result after all? > > > > > > > > We should know the real positions of all planets which contribute to > > > > give the final result.It has to be analyse the whole chart > before any > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > It was my views and other may have their views. we respect each > others > > > > views.But i have not find any references about these yogas.If > you have > > > > than please share it. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhora, > > > > > > > > > > It is unfair to say that the 2 much bashed points in astrology > KSY, > > > > SADE SAAT [and 3rdly Mangalik] have NO RELEVANCE > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMANji has used this references in many situations esp > his WW1 > > > > AND WW2 FORECASTS Indian Independence, UNO founding charts etc > > > > > > > > > > so they exist the point is the exploitation of it by less > qualified > > > > astrologers or purohits who use it cleverly to make money from fear > > > > [this is sad and BAD] > > > > > > > > > > they do exist and in some way or other affect ppl again > depending on > > > > other applicable factors > > > > > > > > > > dasa, strength of grahas, ashtakavarga, Yogas etc > > > > > > > > > > Abt 7.5 Sani > > > > > > > > > > u can see it tests a person by fire and the strong survive > weak fall > > > > down by their own short comings sani is a hard task master, teacher, > > > > guide for life > > > > > > > > > > look at DEVE GOWDA WHO BECAME CM, PM in its time > > > > > > > > > > and PV Narshima rao ji who became PM in a strange situation with > > > > economy at its worst [like Obama is facing in US now with his Ardha > > > > ashtama sani] > > > > > > > > > > Narshima rao had many challenges he did so well in the end as > he was > > > > a great scholar, visionary, statesman, but for him the ecconomoci > > > > might of India would have never be seen he brought Manmohan singh in > > > > and gave him a free had > > > > > > > > > > IT, BIOTECH , communications, came to good progress in time to > lifft > > > > India into world stage > > > > > > > > > > he was tested by Ayodhya, Mumbai riots, defections, sri lanka, > > > > china, pak, bangladesh problems etc but stood tall worked his > > > > challenges like a ant not visible but has his imprint in > history, but > > > > Gowda remains a sleeping leader by accident > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't discard what we don't lnow as elders have used it in the > right > > > > way, crooks have used them in their crooked ways > > > > > > > > > > BTW MAN MOHAN SINGH IS ALSO IN MIDST OF SADE SAAT has faced enough > > > > challenges well so far. > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > > > > from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification > provide > > > > a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the > Lagna/rasi > > > > one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my > > > > personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for > > > > more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > http://groups. . / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > > method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:52:18 PM > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > > > > > The most famous fear generating as well as money generating > Yogas of > > > > > today ,in Astrological field are KSY and " Sani ki > sadesathi " .Natives > > > > > are in fear because they said that they have these yoga and > they are > > > > > only responsible for bad result which they are getting. > > > > > > > > > > People have different views on these two,they have their own > reasons > > > > > and interpretations. . I would like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > These two Yogas not given in any ancient text of Astrology and > there > > > > > is no any references about it. > > > > > > > > > > As like " Sadesati " ,for 7 and 1/2 year of transit of > Saturn,from 12th > > > > > house to 1st by Moon Sign.It called 'Sani ki Sadesati' which > > comes in > > > > > every human life in every interval of 30 years.You will not > find any > > > > > one to suffer for this period.See the all Mukesh Ambani,Anil > > > > > Ambani,Sunil Mittal,Ratan Tata,Laxmi Mittal....ect. Reason of bad > > > > > period is some thing else not this Transit of Saturn only,but fear > > > > > have been created because of some thing else by name of Sadesati. > > > > > > > > > > Now see KSY,this Yoga describe as all planets comes in between the > > > > > Nods,Rahu and Ketu.It is very interesting to know that our great > > > > > founder of Astrology and developer never given any Yoga as > " Kal Sarp > > > > > Yoga " ,they have give one Yoga as " Sarp-Yoga " and in this Rahu and > > > > > Keatu are not involved at all. > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Parashar have stated Sarp Yoga as " If Sun,Saturn and > > > > > Mars,these malefic occupies Three Kendra Sthana(1-2-3- 4) and > > benefice > > > > > occupies except Kenra Sthana,it will create " Sarp Yoga " . > > > > > > > > > > The Yoga KSY have created by some years back only, by some money > > > > > sucker Astrologer and Karamkandi.They have describe its 12 form > > > > > related to each house as like Rahu in 1st House,Rahu in 2nd > house as > > > > > like this.The planetary position have described as all planets > comes > > > > > in between Rahu and Ketu and if one planet beyond this they > said it > > > > > " Aanshik KSY " .Than I would like to say there are 3456 types of > KSY. > > > > > > > > > > How?If Rahu in Ascendant in Aries sign it will create one type > > of yoga > > > > > and if Ascendant sign is Taurus than it will give other result > than > > > > > first one. As like we will get, 12 multiply 12 = 144 yoga and each > > > > > Yoga also form by two way R to K and K to R. than it will > become 288 > > > > > types and one planet is beyond than again multiply by 12 it will > > > > > become 3456 types of Yogas.How will we describe these all Yogas? > > > > > > > > > > We are in the field of auspicious knowledge and people comes to us > > > > > with faith.It is our responsibilities to give them right > > > > > interpretation of Astrology and advise them accordingly. > > > > > > > > > > It is my vies about these Yoga,if I am wrong any where than our > > > > > learned senior member will correct me.No one take it as any > > > > > offence,every one have their own views,personal experiences and > > > > > assumptions. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > , " " > > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > > > Dear Prashantji & learned Members, > > > > > > Few things that i noted in the chart. > > > > > > 1)Birth was in Magha Nakshatra, 1st quarter, which is gandanta. > > > > > > 2)Birth was in Ketu Dasa, this ketu falls in 8th house from > Lagna. > > > > > > 3)Note,Ketu was in Mars's Nakshatra, who is combusted/eclipsed. > > > > > > 4)Ketu falls in 22nd Drekkana. > > > > > > 5)Only 2 malefics in Kendra from Moon. > > > > > > All these above condition doesn't result in anything good. > > > > > > Next comes the condition of D-charts.. The dasa sequence was > Ketu, > > > > > > Venus, Sun,Moon, Mars & presently Rahu. See their position > in D-6 > > > > > > chart.Mostly are either in 3rd house from D-6 or in 8th house. > > > > > > Now comes the question of being world famous. Certainly, why > > > couldn't > > > > > > be world famous?? The answer is simple, he has not gone through > > > the MD > > > > > > to make him world-famous. I am quite sure that he will not able > > > to see > > > > > > Saturn MD in his life. > > > > > > Now condition of Saturn. Saturn being exalted is actually in the > > > > > > Nakshtra of 3rd & 6th house. Saturn being a positive planet, > being > > > > > > placed in a negative planets nakshatra is not considered > > > auspicious.If > > > > > > we again see Rasi-tulya Navamsha,ketu & saturn, both fall in > 12th > > > > > > house & 8th house respectively. > > > > > > However, as a member said that there is GMY(Graha Malika Yoga). > > > There > > > > > > is actually none.. For a Graha Malika Yoga to fulfil, all seven > > > planets > > > > > > have to be in 7 consecutive houses, nodes dont come to > > > play(reference > > > > > > :-Jatak Parijata,Chpter7, Sloka132-135, translated by Late > > > V.S.Sastri, > > > > > > Ranjan publication) . > > > > > > I dont know whether I am right with my analysis. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though this chart has strong sasa mahapurosh yoga (Saturn > > > exalted in > > > > > > lagna) > > > > > > > & hamsa mahapurush yoga (Jup exaulted in 10H), only one would > > > > > > function.. One > > > > > > > should keep in mind that any mahapurush yoga will start right > > > > from the > > > > > > > childhood, irrespective of dasa.. But in this case any of the > > > yoga to > > > > > > start > > > > > > > functioning is a problem, as both are involved in curses. The > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > following problems, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. KSY, power of which should reduce after 43rd year, when > Rahu > > > > > matures. > > > > > > > 2. Grahamalika starting from Jup and ending with Rahu. > This will > > > > > bind a > > > > > > > person through out life. This yoga is no way less malefic > > than KSY > > > > > > > 3. Saturn in maranakaraka sthana. > > > > > > > 4. Moon in Gandanta (at the junction of a jala & agni rashi). > > > > This is > > > > > > > extremely harmfull > > > > > > > 5. Brahmin curse from past life, Jup aspected by Sat and > Rahu by > > > > graha > > > > > > > dristi. This Jup is in fixed house in navamsa. The curse is > > > hard to > > > > > > go. Also > > > > > > > note that Jup is in Asresa nakshatra - whose diety is Sarpa > > > > > > > 6. Mother's curse from past life, Moon conjoins atmakaraka > (AK) > > > > > Sun and > > > > > > > Mars. When AK or lagna lord gets involved in a curse, > > suffering is > > > > > > terrible. > > > > > > > That too it happens in 11H. Jaimini says- 11H is the house of > > > > > > punishment, as > > > > > > > it is 6th from 6th. Moreover Leo is the badhaka sthana for > this > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am not clear why brain damage! Because Ketu is in 8H and > > > > > > vimsottory > > > > > > > dasa starts from Ketu, it may give problem in lower part of > > spinal > > > > > > cord in > > > > > > > childhood. If Anand can give more specific dates of > > incidents, we > > > > > > may break > > > > > > > our head more on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Jyotish_ Remedies]On Behalf Of > > Prashant > > > > > Kumar G B > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well why don't u say what he cud have bececome by ur > > > > experience if u > > > > > > > ignore KSY? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally I feel his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna occupied by sani though a Yogakaraka is not a good thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the owner of it is neecha though NBRY with Budha its dasa > > is not > > > > > > on so no > > > > > > > possibility of benefiting from it > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th with malefics ravi+kuja on one side and > > > sani on > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rah+chandra in D9 in 12th and in 11th in D6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > none of this can give him good mental health, development > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sUKRA DASA THAT RAN WHEN YOUNG ITS LORD RAVI IS IN THE 8TH > > IN d9 > > > > > > AND RAVI > > > > > > > DASA TO FOLLOW ALSO SAME STORY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > followed by chandra in 12th with rahu in d9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B V RAMAN ju has said any association of Kuja+chandra or > > chandra > > > > > with > > > > > > > nodes is a mental health challangfed case his works gives many > > > more > > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rest is up to other members to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will > > > differ > > > > > > from > > > > > > > non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > > > > > > posting to > > > > > > > verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > > > > > > picture in the > > > > > > > Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or > > > unknown > > > > > > folder. > > > > > > > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are > > > > > chargeable. see > > > > > > > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant > Kumar Life > > > > > Member > > > > > > > ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > > > method=reportRow s & > > > > > > > tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > pillooo_1999 <pillooo_1999@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:04:15 PM > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See this horoscope, native born Sept 14th 1955 at 10 am > > > Bangalore, > > > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native would have > > > been a > > > > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the horoscope. But > > > > KSY has > > > > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally handicapped > > > person from > > > > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone (all 9 > > > > planets > > > > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has completely > > > crippled all > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > many great yogas in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The person is almost completely dependent as his mental age is > > > > > only 2 > > > > > > > years due to permanent brain damage at birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Chart_ Analysis_ > > Vedic_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Dear mebers A v good model of discussion has been emerging from Rafel, Vinay, Pt arjum, RRji jk dasgupta ji, Harry and so on this is the right way to discuss messages from a rough start it is mellowing down the diversity is being shared and sure may re-open the opponents views too. PL EASE TRUNCATE MESSAGES BELOW ur reply to max one or two in the thread if it is tii long will take time to load in the browser and also cog group space, bandwidth etc PRASHANT about Atheists at themples line by Pt arjun TN's Dravidian parties r founded on such a principle and officially they dont belive in Gog so they have banners opp Major temples saying HE WHO BELIVES IN GOD IS A FOOL and so on esp castist abuses r worse not printable here...! privately most of the politicians do go to temples without media glare time [back door] so the point is irrespective of faith/opposition somethings can't change. ________________________________ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:29:32 AM Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 dear friends each and every individual in this world is within his rights to express his opinion and all others within thier right summarily reject, partially agree or agree to the opinion of others. when discussing a subject of mythology, there will be believers and disbelievers. have you seen athiests daily visiting the places of worship and trying to shoe away the worshippers by laughingly stating that they are fools to worship a non visible god? the answer is no. then i do not understand why disbelivers of certain astro yogas or afflictions are striving to impress upon the natives not to beleive so and so. these astrologers are conveniently forgetting that they are discussing about mythical non existing non visible rahu and ketu who get allotted several stars and have 25 years out of 120 years of vimshottari mahadasa. mangal dosha or branding a person as manglik is no where written in ancient scriptures except individual results of mars in 7th, 8th, 12th etc. givign negative results. but manglik dosha has been accepted by most believers of astrology so these so called authorities of astrology do not waste time in brainwashing the natives that manglik dosha is a myth or a trash or a fraud created by jyotishis. one entire stream of astrology who runs its own schools believes and preaches various yogas like vipareeta rajayoga, neechabhanga rajayoga, uchhabhanga daridrayoga etc. which too do not find mention in ancient scriptures. will these self proclaimed decree passing astrologers scream from their rooftops that this entire school of astrology is fraud because they are propagating something which is not in the ancient scriptures. similar are grahana yoga and kalasarpa yogas caused by the nodes. if these astrologers have no tolerance for those who believe in things which they do not agree, they have no moral right to pass statements that all these others as fraud. using strong sick language such as fraud on other believers on something which these people dont believe is a psychological disorder where mutual coexistence of diverse beliefs is intolerable. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* / > Dear Members , > > Ignoring importance of these crucial yogas in the chart is like missing > the pivot of the kundali & demanding the slokas for every detail of Jyotish > is like forgetting what is parampara for. There are a lot in the > scriptures which is given in indirect way and the secrets which one can > get by > association with Jyotish Guru is what makes one quallified astrologer, > not the static rememberance of slokas which unjustified applience can > mislead the client and astrologer. > > The area of affliction for these yogas always is connected to bhavas > where the nodes sits. 2/8 financial struggles, 3/9 studies problems, > 4/10 home/career issues etc. > > Kalasarpa usually makes one more into bhogamarga, opposite for kalamrta > - but here we also have some exceptions. > > One can add these yogas into analysis or just reject it, but putting the > statements in arrogant way without any strong basis is in bad tone. > > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > ------------ -- > /*Consultations & Pages* > http://rohinaa. com > rafal/ > > > > Dear Msbohra > > > > I hv not learnt from any book but from my guru. Since I hv promised to > > my guru without his permission I cannot share this information. Pls > > excuse me for this. > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > CELL +919867214103 > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in <msbohra62% 40.co.in> > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > Monday, 19 January, 2009 9:36:36 PM > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > Dear Haresh jee, > > > > Will you provide us the references,litreatu re and any authentic text > > about this KSY.What is the defination,What are the classification and > > respective their effects for our better understanding. > > > > Please provide the books name(With details of publication) which we > > can use as authentic reference.I would like to know this KSY in > > detail,because i must know it if i am in Astrology field. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > @ . . com, " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " > > <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > U r creating a phobia that KSY is being exploited, u all esteemed > > astrologers I would like to ask u a simple thing. If a native is > > suffering from some problems even though his benefic grah dasha is on, > > due to KSY, can u justify or give an explanation on, due to what > > reasons the native is hvg tough time, other than KSY. > > > > > > I think the term KSY is not understood properly. Their r type of KSY > > & native suffers according to the nature & type of KSY. All Ksy do > > not give same problems. KSY can give problems related to finances, > > health, marital life, education, relationships, property matters. It > > all depends on from which bhav the KSY starts. > > > > > > One example I have already given my comments, with > > justification, it seems except Vinay Jha no one bothered to even read > > it. The astrologer gave ill health & poor mental & physical growth > > due to KSY whereas it was not right. U should point out to that > > astrologer on what grounds or technicalities the astro has justfied > > KSY related to ill health rather making a blunt & unjustified > > statement that astrologers are exploiting KSY. > > > > > > Pls understand KSY properly, understand the technicalities and then > > comment. KSY also give financial prosperity but in these cases the > > other departments of life like marital life or family relationship or > > poor health gets affected.. > > > > > >  > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > PRADEEP SAHAI <sahaip123@ ..> > > > > > > Monday, 19 January, 2009 11:09:23 AM > > > Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashantji and Bohraji, > > > You are right the Kala-Sarpa yoga has been exploited very badly by > > some Astrologers. The name itself can invoke a kind of fear in the lay > > person. What is actually funny is a lot of times in my experience the > > Kala amrit Yoga has also been put under the same scanner as KSY. > > >  > > > Similarly the myths and fears concerning Saturn are doing the rounds > > all the time. Nobody even mentions Jupiter or Mercury , though they > > can be param marakas. > > >  > > > Perhaps we should start a thread here on the benevolence of Saturn > > and the nodes. If nothing it will educate the prediction seeker to be > > more discerning. > > >  > > > Also teach some to question the learned pundits featuring on > > Television shows and putting the fear of death into common persons!! > > > Take care > > > Vats > > >  > > >  > > > > > > --- On Mon, 19/1/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > Re: Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > Monday, 19 January, 2009, 10:39 AM > > > > > > Bhora, > > > > > > this is what he has used -proof lies in eating [porridge] it is > > said, it may be simpler for u to locate some ol ISSUES OF AM esp > > Annual nos , sept nos of any yr has many good articles even on this, I > > am looking at what is applied and seen as workable, just because he > > said it is blind faith > > > > > > I am also saying that in the name of it miscrients rather than > > astrologers r misusing, and bringing it a bad name > > > > > > I am not sure if u have heard of the RAHU KALAM puja this is the > > latest in such series, where on Tuesdays and Fridays temple conduct > > rahu kalam pujas specially > > > > > > at least as I know in afternoons most temples r closed till 4.30 > > WHERE pUJAS R DONE BY AGAMA PRACTICES BUT SOME TEMPLES LIKE ttd, > > sabarimala ETC R BEYOND THIS. > > > and many temples in the North > > > > > > but exploiting a rahu kulam period for a puja is strange not given > > by scriptures though > > > > > > BUT IN THE END whatever it is ppl r visiting a temple which we must > > do anyway. > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > Monday, January 19, 2009 12:51:29 AM > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > > > I am not against who claim KSY,my concern is reliability and formation > > > of these Yoga backed by ancient text. BV Raman jee have covered so > > > many uncommon Yoga than why not so popular Yoga?Have KN Rao jee > > > confirmed these Yoga? > > > > > > It is nice that you have get the opportunity to learn under a Guru.Old > > > time Guru search for able " Shishya " but today's time we have to search > > > able Guru. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhora, > > > > > > > > Pl get some ANNUAL NUMBERS OF B V RAMAN'S ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE and > > > see the world tensions, trends this will show u him covering it > > > explicitly on the examples I said. > > > > > > > > we cant say why he did or did not cover a yoga IN THE BOOK AND IT IS > > > SURELY MORE THAN 300 YOGAS kn rao HAS BROUGHT SOME MORE IN HIS WORKS. > > > > THERE R MANY FACTORS THAT SHAPE A RESULT AND WE MUST NOT FIX IT ON > > > ONE OR TWO FACTORS, > > > > > > > > and KSY is a abused yoga b t greedy ppl will say so no problem but > > > wishing it away is not tthe way. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have studied under a Guru for a long time to say it confidently > > > since 86-2002 inspite of my depth in the subject felt worthwhile being > > > under him even today if time permits will do it. he has called me to > > > assist him when he is overloaded now with advanced age at 86 is seeing > > > less no of ppl anyway. some I do anser by e-mail to his grand daughter > > > who passes them to the clients when he is sick or unable to meet his > > > commitment. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:59:58 PM > > > > Re: An example of Kala Sarpa Yoga 18/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant jee, > > > > > > > > I could not dare to put any question mark on B.V.Raman jee,I am using > > > > his so many books.As like 300 Yogas, in this book he have given most > > > > of Yogas but you will not find these two Yogas.Where these two were > > > > also famous in his life and it is not possible to untouched them by BV > > > > Raman jee if he find there reliability. > > > > > > > > As per Pt.Nehru jee's ,he was Cancer Ascendant and you will find many > > > > cancer person have the same problems,what are reason we have to > > > > search.As about so called KSY Sachin Tendulkar have,Murari Bapu have, > > > > there is not bad effect as says.Every one on the earth have some > > > > benefice and some malefic result in his life.That is not mean we > > > > justify the reason by our view of angle only. > > > > > > > > Rahu & ketu are nods,even they depended on occupied sign to exhibit > > > > his result.We considering them planet but the are not have any > > > > Physical existence. > > > > > > > > We are not having any Gurukul system and it is very difficult to > > > > choose right Guru so we are learning by books and by experiences of > > > > our and others only.Commercial aspects have polluted the pure > > > > knowledge in every field. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhora, > > > > > > > > > > u have answered it as I have also in a earlier post " all applicabe > > > > factors have a role " so it can be good or bad based on it > > > > > > > > > > J Nehru our 1ST PM had it, it did not stop him from being PM for so > > > > long so it is a good one he suffered w.r.t marriage as most time wwa > > > > in jail or hospital with his sick wife who die of TB quite early, he > > > > did have affairs in between to keep his cool so some drawbacks,. some > > > > gains u will find several ppl who had both good and bad results again > > > > applicable factors have a role > > > > > > > > > > none of us have read as much as B V RAMAN ji has so I take his > > > > words, works seriously > > > > > > > > > > if we ignore Raman ji and swami vivekananda [for Hinduism' survival > > > > today] tyhen it is disservice to the subject in question- ramaji > > > > masterd vedas and met several scholars world over, so has KN RAO ji > > > > > > > > > > prashant REST OF THE TAIL IS TRUNCATED CAN BE SEEN IN THE REPLY OF THE ONES SEEN ABOVE this to save grp space. 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