NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them! 19/1

January 19, 2009

Dear Tanvir ji,

the msg no 55388 has a clue, sent by Sateesh, he has a mail pending by me he had

given a analysis of Bhaskars woes due to transits now

I suggested to him to seek Bhaskars permission to publish it here rather than

face a needless controversy

as there is a stream of mistrust between HIM and many even me. so I don't want

him to feel I had deliberately allowed this, I have allowed mails with astro

content even from strangers, novices but as long as it is non controversial by

nature even ppl.

I have allowed ppl crisitising me or my replies I feel these r ok for gen

confidence I have nothing to worry we can and must differ to learn more every

day as long as it healthy it is allowed, personal slants I am not allowing but

carry it ina reply to the group still

like the PARTIAL CONCESSION by Bhaskar that the JR moderator doesn't pass his

mails easily

the KEY WORD IS " easily " if he understood it he wont complain his approach or

feeling is I dont allow his messages which is not true as there r enuf msgs of

his here. even after I came in, as long as it is not offensive.

his conceding that they r pased not bening denied si a good step.

SATEESH ALSO FELT HE WILL NOT BE COMPLAINING IF HIS MSG IS NOT PASSED if Bhaskar

doesnt consent so that is where it stands, rrji also feel same way so between

the 3 of us atleast we have no 2nd openion that if it is passed it is whith

Bhaskar's consent else forgotton

I SENT HIM a copy too to his mail ID so he know what it is abt as well.

..---------------IN PART i HAVE CONNECTED THEM TO DEAL WITH IT BETWEEN THEMSELVES

ALREADY

this step I took after informing sateesh he has to do it and let me know if he

doesn't in the given time limit set I will fwd it to Him

thanks

prashant

________________________________

Tanvir <tanweera

Monday, January 19, 2009 2:26:05 AM

Re: NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

I am sorry RR Ji and Prashant Ji that I haven't been following the discussion..

.. so I really don't know what is going on!

Can anyone explain in a line.

< Smile >

Regards

Tanvir

What cannot happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

http://www.jyotish- remedies. com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies

Where relief and solutions are found

-

Rohiniranjan

Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:08 PM

Re: NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

Kumar ji,

I trust you that you will not ever allow a member to be 'battered' on

an astrological basis ...

particularly after experiencing as we all did that even the OWNER is

not immune and can get battered similarly on his own forum!

Democracy has a price. It is called FAIRNESS and TRANSPARENCY and

Tanvir DEMONSTRATED that recently for himself and this forum!

BRAVO Tanvir!

Rohiniranjan

January 19, 2009

Given the observed mal-experience that we have recently observed when

Tanvir's chart was discussed unprofessionally in this public forum,

my request again to not allow this kind of astro-bashing on this

forum, no matter what.

It is inappropriate to even use such tactics in private emails, let

alone public fora. A chart is sacred in the hands of a professional

or serious amateur, just as a medical record or personal diary! No

matter how strongly one feels against another person, at a given

instant!

RR

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear Tanvir ji,

>

> the msg no 55388 has a clue, sent by Sateesh, he has a mail pending

by me he had given a analysis of Bhaskars woes due to transits now

>

> I suggested to him to seek Bhaskars permission to publish it here

rather than face a needless controversy

>

> as there is a stream of mistrust between HIM and many even me. so I

don't want him to feel I had deliberately allowed this, I have

allowed mails with astro content even from strangers, novices but as

long as it is non controversial by nature even ppl.

>

> I have allowed ppl crisitising me or my replies I feel these r ok

for gen confidence I have nothing to worry we can and must differ to

learn more every day as long as it healthy it is allowed, personal

slants I am not allowing but carry it ina reply to the group still

>

> like the PARTIAL CONCESSION by Bhaskar that the JR moderator

doesn't pass his mails easily

>

> the KEY WORD IS " easily " if he understood it he wont complain his

approach or feeling is I dont allow his messages which is not true as

there r enuf msgs of his here. even after I came in, as long as it is

not offensive.

>

> his conceding that they r pased not bening denied si a good step.

>

> SATEESH ALSO FELT HE WILL NOT BE COMPLAINING IF HIS MSG IS NOT

PASSED if Bhaskar doesnt consent so that is where it stands, rrji

also feel same way so between the 3 of us atleast we have no 2nd

openion that if it is passed it is whith Bhaskar's consent else

forgotton

>

> I SENT HIM a copy too to his mail ID so he know what it is abt as

well.

>

> .---------------IN PART i HAVE CONNECTED THEM TO DEAL WITH IT

BETWEEN THEMSELVES ALREADY

>

> this step I took after informing sateesh he has to do it and let me

know if he doesn't in the given time limit set I will fwd it to Him

>

> thanks

>

> prashant

>

> ________________________________

> Tanvir <tanweera

>

> Monday, January 19, 2009 2:26:05 AM

> Re: NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

>

> I am sorry RR Ji and Prashant Ji that I haven't been following the

discussion.. . so I really don't know what is going on!

>

> Can anyone explain in a line.

>

> < Smile >

>

> Regards

> Tanvir

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish- remedies. com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

> -

> Rohiniranjan

>

> Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:08 PM

> Re: NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

>

> Kumar ji,

>

> I trust you that you will not ever allow a member to be 'battered'

on

> an astrological basis ...

>

> particularly after experiencing as we all did that even the OWNER

is

> not immune and can get battered similarly on his own forum!

>

> Democracy has a price. It is called FAIRNESS and TRANSPARENCY and

> Tanvir DEMONSTRATED that recently for himself and this forum!

>

> BRAVO Tanvir!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

January 19, 2009

//It is inappropriate to even use such tactics in private emails, let

alone public fora. A chart is sacred in the hands of a professional

or serious amateur, just as a medical record or personal diary! No

matter how strongly one feels against another person, at a given

instant//

Well said!! Im glad that someone has brought this up. Its certainly

disappointing and disturbing that astro professionals who claim to

have more than 20 yrs experience make a habit of engaging in such

unethical practice. The fact that a person offers his or her chart

for discussion or reading does not entail tht the chart now belongs

to the astro to be used on a personal whim or even as an example

chart without the express permission of the native concerned.

regards

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Given the observed mal-experience that we have recently observed

when

> Tanvir's chart was discussed unprofessionally in this public forum,

> my request again to not allow this kind of astro-bashing on this

> forum, no matter what.

>

> It is inappropriate to even use such tactics in private emails, let

> alone public fora. A chart is sacred in the hands of a professional

> or serious amateur, just as a medical record or personal diary! No

> matter how strongly one feels against another person, at a given

> instant!

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tanvir ji,

> >

> > the msg no 55388 has a clue, sent by Sateesh, he has a mail

pending

> by me he had given a analysis of Bhaskars woes due to transits now

> >

> > I suggested to him to seek Bhaskars permission to publish it here

> rather than face a needless controversy

> >

> > as there is a stream of mistrust between HIM and many even me. so

I

> don't want him to feel I had deliberately allowed this, I have

> allowed mails with astro content even from strangers, novices but

as

> long as it is non controversial by nature even ppl.

> >

> > I have allowed ppl crisitising me or my replies I feel these r ok

> for gen confidence I have nothing to worry we can and must differ

to

> learn more every day as long as it healthy it is allowed, personal

> slants I am not allowing but carry it ina reply to the group still

> >

> > like the PARTIAL CONCESSION by Bhaskar that the JR moderator

> doesn't pass his mails easily

> >

> > the KEY WORD IS " easily " if he understood it he wont complain his

> approach or feeling is I dont allow his messages which is not true

as

> there r enuf msgs of his here. even after I came in, as long as it

is

> not offensive.

> >

> > his conceding that they r pased not bening denied si a good step.

> >

> > SATEESH ALSO FELT HE WILL NOT BE COMPLAINING IF HIS MSG IS NOT

> PASSED if Bhaskar doesnt consent so that is where it stands, rrji

> also feel same way so between the 3 of us atleast we have no 2nd

> openion that if it is passed it is whith Bhaskar's consent else

> forgotton

> >

> > I SENT HIM a copy too to his mail ID so he know what it is abt

as

> well.

> >

> > .---------------IN PART i HAVE CONNECTED THEM TO DEAL WITH IT

> BETWEEN THEMSELVES ALREADY

> >

> > this step I took after informing sateesh he has to do it and let

me

> know if he doesn't in the given time limit set I will fwd it to Him

> >

> > thanks

> >

> > prashant

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Tanvir <tanweera@>

> >

> > Monday, January 19, 2009 2:26:05 AM

> > Re: NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

> >

> > I am sorry RR Ji and Prashant Ji that I haven't been following

the

> discussion.. . so I really don't know what is going on!

> >

> > Can anyone explain in a line.

> >

> > < Smile >

> >

> > Regards

> > Tanvir

> >

> > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > http://www.jyotish- remedies. com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

> remedies

> > Where relief and solutions are found

> >

> > -

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:08 PM

> > Re: NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

> >

> > Kumar ji,

> >

> > I trust you that you will not ever allow a member to

be 'battered'

> on

> > an astrological basis ...

> >

> > particularly after experiencing as we all did that even the OWNER

> is

> > not immune and can get battered similarly on his own forum!

> >

> > Democracy has a price. It is called FAIRNESS and TRANSPARENCY and

> > Tanvir DEMONSTRATED that recently for himself and this forum!

> >

> > BRAVO Tanvir!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

January 19, 2009

Hello Su,

If you're referring to my genuine effort to calm the storm by drawing

attention to the current transits which, in one way or another, is effecting

everyone at this time. I think it's extremely ungracious of you to assume

malintent on my part. There was absolutely nothing unprofessional about my

desire to help calm the situation. My intention never was to hurt Tanvir. No

doubt Rohiniranjan is indulging in some " Payback " and gets a perverse

satisfaction from keeping this unpleasant episode alive...so be it!

However, I'm somewhat surprised by your participation, Su. Politics is a

dirty business, and nowhere have I ever seen a dirtier display of this than

amongst the jyotish community. You people, who pride yourselves in your

unselfish service to humanity and oft heralded kindness towards others, will

attack another jyotishi unrelentlessly for the sheer pleasure of it.

Jyotish has been my life's work for over two decades, however, I'm now

feeling my time may have been better spent. I want no part of a community

that finds pleasure in attacking one of it's own. The sensible course for me

to take would be to cease all connection with jyotish forums (including my

own) and enjoy some peace and tranquillity in these closing days of my life.

The sadness I feel at the cruelty of others is palpable, but, considering

the transit of Jupiter (the planet of happiness) through his sign of

debilitation, sadness in some form or another would surely find its way to

my heart...we can't avoid our karma, it will find expression somewhere.

Best Wishes,

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

________________________

, " vreality_au "

<reality_v wrote:

//It is inappropriate to even use such tactics in private emails, let

alone public fora. A chart is sacred in the hands of a professional

or serious amateur, just as a medical record or personal diary! No

matter how strongly one feels against another person, at a given

instant//

Well said!! Im glad that someone has brought this up. Its certainly

disappointing and disturbing that astro professionals who claim to

have more than 20 yrs experience make a habit of engaging in such

unethical practice. The fact that a person offers his or her chart

for discussion or reading does not entail tht the chart now belongs

to the astro to be used on a personal whim or even as an example

chart without the express permission of the native concerned.

regards

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

>

> Given the observed mal-experience that we have recently observed

when

> Tanvir's chart was discussed unprofessionally in this public forum,

> my request again to not allow this kind of astro-bashing on this

> forum, no matter what.

>

> It is inappropriate to even use such tactics in private emails, let

> alone public fora. A chart is sacred in the hands of a professional

> or serious amateur, just as a medical record or personal diary! No

> matter how strongly one feels against another person, at a given

> instant!

>

> RR

>

January 19, 2009

Mrs Wendy,

Your statement is in bad taste : " No doubt Rohiniranjan is indulging in

some " Payback " and gets a perverse satisfaction from keeping this

unpleasant episode alive " .

Mr Rohiniranjan wanted to prevent all such incidents from recurring,

and you are deriving opposite inferences. I had once told him that two

planets are exalted in someone's horoscope, and he was angry at me.

His position is clear : one must not discuss anyone's chart publicly

without a permission, however lofty be the aims. Mr Rohiniranjan is

fully justified in taking such a stance. It was not directed against

you or against any individual. It is a principled stance which you

ought to support, instead of sighing melodramatically for a bad transit.

I do not support any individual. Astrology is not politics. I do not

know what actually happened between you and Mr Tanvir, I was not a

member, and was very busy elsewhere. But here I find you are finding

faults in Mr Rohiniranjan when there is none. Please calm down, forget

the past, and serve the community as you did.

Regards,

-Vinay Jha

, " Mrs. Wendy "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Hello Su,

>

> If you're referring to my genuine effort to calm the storm by drawing

> attention to the current transits which, in one way or another, is

effecting

> everyone at this time. I think it's extremely ungracious of you to

assume

> malintent on my part. There was absolutely nothing unprofessional

about my

> desire to help calm the situation. My intention never was to hurt

Tanvir. No

> doubt Rohiniranjan is indulging in some " Payback " and gets a perverse

> satisfaction from keeping this unpleasant episode alive...so be it!

>

> However, I'm somewhat surprised by your participation, Su. Politics

is a

> dirty business, and nowhere have I ever seen a dirtier display of

this than

> amongst the jyotish community. You people, who pride yourselves in your

> unselfish service to humanity and oft heralded kindness towards

others, will

> attack another jyotishi unrelentlessly for the sheer pleasure of it.

>

> Jyotish has been my life's work for over two decades, however, I'm now

> feeling my time may have been better spent. I want no part of a

community

> that finds pleasure in attacking one of it's own. The sensible

course for me

> to take would be to cease all connection with jyotish forums

(including my

> own) and enjoy some peace and tranquillity in these closing days of

my life.

>

> The sadness I feel at the cruelty of others is palpable, but,

considering

> the transit of Jupiter (the planet of happiness) through his sign of

> debilitation, sadness in some form or another would surely find its

way to

> my heart...we can't avoid our karma, it will find expression somewhere.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ________________________

>

> , " vreality_au "

> <reality_v@> wrote:

>

> //It is inappropriate to even use such tactics in private emails, let

> alone public fora. A chart is sacred in the hands of a professional

> or serious amateur, just as a medical record or personal diary! No

> matter how strongly one feels against another person, at a given

> instant//

>

> Well said!! Im glad that someone has brought this up. Its certainly

> disappointing and disturbing that astro professionals who claim to

> have more than 20 yrs experience make a habit of engaging in such

> unethical practice. The fact that a person offers his or her chart

> for discussion or reading does not entail tht the chart now belongs

> to the astro to be used on a personal whim or even as an example

> chart without the express permission of the native concerned.

>

> regards

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Given the observed mal-experience that we have recently observed

> when

> > Tanvir's chart was discussed unprofessionally in this public forum,

> > my request again to not allow this kind of astro-bashing on this

> > forum, no matter what.

> >

> > It is inappropriate to even use such tactics in private emails, let

> > alone public fora. A chart is sacred in the hands of a professional

> > or serious amateur, just as a medical record or personal diary! No

> > matter how strongly one feels against another person, at a given

> > instant!

> >

> > RR

> >

>

January 20, 2009

Absolutely! That is why I explicitely ask my clients if they wish to

offer their data for research or publication and I assure them in

writing that their personal id etc will not be revealed in such

writings etc. I am hoping that all other astrologers/writers follow

similar code of conduct.

RR

, " vreality_au "

<reality_v wrote:

>

> //It is inappropriate to even use such tactics in private emails,

let

> alone public fora. A chart is sacred in the hands of a professional

> or serious amateur, just as a medical record or personal diary! No

> matter how strongly one feels against another person, at a given

> instant//

>

> Well said!! Im glad that someone has brought this up. Its

certainly

> disappointing and disturbing that astro professionals who claim to

> have more than 20 yrs experience make a habit of engaging in such

> unethical practice. The fact that a person offers his or her chart

> for discussion or reading does not entail tht the chart now belongs

> to the astro to be used on a personal whim or even as an example

> chart without the express permission of the native concerned.

>

> regards

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Given the observed mal-experience that we have recently observed

> when

> > Tanvir's chart was discussed unprofessionally in this public

forum,

> > my request again to not allow this kind of astro-bashing on this

> > forum, no matter what.

> >

> > It is inappropriate to even use such tactics in private emails,

let

> > alone public fora. A chart is sacred in the hands of a

professional

> > or serious amateur, just as a medical record or personal diary!

No

> > matter how strongly one feels against another person, at a given

> > instant!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tanvir ji,

> > >

> > > the msg no 55388 has a clue, sent by Sateesh, he has a mail

> pending

> > by me he had given a analysis of Bhaskars woes due to transits now

> > >

> > > I suggested to him to seek Bhaskars permission to publish it

here

> > rather than face a needless controversy

> > >

> > > as there is a stream of mistrust between HIM and many even me.

so

> I

> > don't want him to feel I had deliberately allowed this, I have

> > allowed mails with astro content even from strangers, novices but

> as

> > long as it is non controversial by nature even ppl.

> > >

> > > I have allowed ppl crisitising me or my replies I feel these r

ok

> > for gen confidence I have nothing to worry we can and must

differ

> to

> > learn more every day as long as it healthy it is allowed,

personal

> > slants I am not allowing but carry it ina reply to the group still

> > >

> > > like the PARTIAL CONCESSION by Bhaskar that the JR moderator

> > doesn't pass his mails easily

> > >

> > > the KEY WORD IS " easily " if he understood it he wont complain

his

> > approach or feeling is I dont allow his messages which is not

true

> as

> > there r enuf msgs of his here. even after I came in, as long as

it

> is

> > not offensive.

> > >

> > > his conceding that they r pased not bening denied si a good

step.

> > >

> > > SATEESH ALSO FELT HE WILL NOT BE COMPLAINING IF HIS MSG IS NOT

> > PASSED if Bhaskar doesnt consent so that is where it stands, rrji

> > also feel same way so between the 3 of us atleast we have no 2nd

> > openion that if it is passed it is whith Bhaskar's consent else

> > forgotton

> > >

> > > I SENT HIM a copy too to his mail ID so he know what it is abt

> as

> > well.

> > >

> > > .---------------IN PART i HAVE CONNECTED THEM TO DEAL WITH IT

> > BETWEEN THEMSELVES ALREADY

> > >

> > > this step I took after informing sateesh he has to do it and

let

> me

> > know if he doesn't in the given time limit set I will fwd it to

Him

> > >

> > > thanks

> > >

> > > prashant

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Tanvir <tanweera@>

> > >

> > > Monday, January 19, 2009 2:26:05 AM

> > > Re: NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

> > >

> > > I am sorry RR Ji and Prashant Ji that I haven't been following

> the

> > discussion.. . so I really don't know what is going on!

> > >

> > > Can anyone explain in a line.

> > >

> > > < Smile >

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Tanvir

> > >

> > > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> > >

> > > http://www.jyotish- remedies. com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

> > remedies

> > > Where relief and solutions are found

> > >

> > > -

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:08 PM

> > > Re: NEVER throw BPHS at anyone to hurt them!

> > >

> > > Kumar ji,

> > >

> > > I trust you that you will not ever allow a member to

> be 'battered'

> > on

> > > an astrological basis ...

> > >

> > > particularly after experiencing as we all did that even the

OWNER

> > is

> > > not immune and can get battered similarly on his own forum!

> > >

> > > Democracy has a price. It is called FAIRNESS and TRANSPARENCY

and

> > > Tanvir DEMONSTRATED that recently for himself and this forum!

> > >

> > > BRAVO Tanvir!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

January 20, 2009

Dear Mrs Wendy

It is unfortunate that you interpret this as a matter of politics. I

have absolutely no interest in forum politics or factionism, as

already mentioned to the moderator of this group and certain other

members with re to a previous issue. I do not know Tanvir or RR and

have not interacted with either of them online or offline.

I have much regard for you and am still grateful for all the various

times you have answered my queries. However, this is an aspect of

your capacity as moderator and guide that I find quite disappointing –

particularly from you, since perhaps I have come to have higher

expectations of you on account of your spiritual background. If you

will put your pride and anger aside for a while and look at yourself

honestly, you might notice that you do have a habit of using members'

charts against them in order to dominate a situation or argument.

This has always troubled me but I refrained from speaking up as I

figured it is up to that member to speak for him/herself. And

indeed, in one instance that member did - I refer you to msg#

9290/9292 of JV Forum. I even quote here part of that member's

protest, " I think it is unwarranted to look into ones chart for such

minor issues and I will refrain from doing that myself. I feel it is

not so difficult to map anything in a postmortem scenario. " On

another instance, you discussed in a biased way the chart of a

certain person who had needled you, which you later, quite admirably,

openly admitted whilst in a more sattvic mood. And now again with

Tanvir's chart, which was quite uncalled for.

I have absolutely no doubt that you are at heart a sincere lady and

it troubles me greatly to have hurt your feelings on account of my

affections for you and a sense of gratitude I feel towards you, but

this just had to be brought home to you. I am sorry.

Shanti

Su

, " Mrs. Wendy "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Hello Su,

>

> If you're referring to my genuine effort to calm the storm by

drawing

> attention to the current transits which, in one way or another, is

effecting

> everyone at this time. I think it's extremely ungracious of you to

assume

> malintent on my part. There was absolutely nothing unprofessional

about my

> desire to help calm the situation. My intention never was to hurt

Tanvir. No

> doubt Rohiniranjan is indulging in some " Payback " and gets a

perverse

> satisfaction from keeping this unpleasant episode alive...so be it!

>

> However, I'm somewhat surprised by your participation, Su. Politics

is a

> dirty business, and nowhere have I ever seen a dirtier display of

this than

> amongst the jyotish community. You people, who pride yourselves in

your

> unselfish service to humanity and oft heralded kindness towards

others, will

> attack another jyotishi unrelentlessly for the sheer pleasure of it.

>

> Jyotish has been my life's work for over two decades, however, I'm

now

> feeling my time may have been better spent. I want no part of a

community

> that finds pleasure in attacking one of it's own. The sensible

course for me

> to take would be to cease all connection with jyotish forums

(including my

> own) and enjoy some peace and tranquillity in these closing days of

my life.

>

> The sadness I feel at the cruelty of others is palpable, but,

considering

> the transit of Jupiter (the planet of happiness) through his sign

of

> debilitation, sadness in some form or another would surely find its

way to

> my heart...we can't avoid our karma, it will find expression

somewhere.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ________________________

>

> , " vreality_au "

> <reality_v@> wrote:

>

> //It is inappropriate to even use such tactics in private emails,

let

> alone public fora. A chart is sacred in the hands of a professional

> or serious amateur, just as a medical record or personal diary! No

> matter how strongly one feels against another person, at a given

> instant//

>

> Well said!! Im glad that someone has brought this up. Its certainly

> disappointing and disturbing that astro professionals who claim to

> have more than 20 yrs experience make a habit of engaging in such

> unethical practice. The fact that a person offers his or her chart

> for discussion or reading does not entail tht the chart now belongs

> to the astro to be used on a personal whim or even as an example

> chart without the express permission of the native concerned.

>

> regards

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Given the observed mal-experience that we have recently observed

> when

> > Tanvir's chart was discussed unprofessionally in this public

forum,

> > my request again to not allow this kind of astro-bashing on this

> > forum, no matter what.

> >

> > It is inappropriate to even use such tactics in private emails,

let

> > alone public fora. A chart is sacred in the hands of a

professional

> > or serious amateur, just as a medical record or personal diary! No

> > matter how strongly one feels against another person, at a given

> > instant!

> >

> > RR

> >

>

January 20, 2009

RR,

At no time EVER was Tanvir a 'client' of mine! His chart was only ever

discussed on a public forum. Tanvir, a public figure on the net and forums,

has posted his chart on his website, making it available to the general

public... How dare you imply that I breached the trust of a client! You're

very good at twisting the truth to suit your own agenda RR, which was

evidenced during your short sojourn on JV...

http://www.jyotish-remedies.com/tanvir_chowdhury.htm

Contrary to this is the example of Pope Benedict XV1 who never offered his

horoscope to anyone for public scrutiny; yet a well-known figure gave an

extremely biased (negative) reading and posted it on his website. I felt

strongly that this needed to be addressed and published an appropriate

response on my own website. Another article containing negative/untrue

comments about JV was published by you Rohiniranjan, and (again) I BELIEVE I

had the right of reply!

I do not normally participate on other forums and only do so now to defend

myself against this steady stream of insults which you RR seem determined to

keep going for as long as possible. Why do you have this need to sully my

reputation by speaking untruths and slanderous innuendoes?

Thank You,

Wendy Vasicek

____________________________

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

Absolutely! That is why I explicitely ask my clients if they wish to

offer their data for research or publication and I assure them in

writing that their personal id etc will not be revealed in such

writings etc. I am hoping that all other astrologers/writers follow

similar code of conduct.

RR

January 20, 2009

Su,

Since the posts you refer to are from the archives of JV I will respond

there (only) should you care to raise the matter...

This will be my last comment on JV. It was my mistake to ignore my own rule

not to participate in other groups. It will not happen again!

Thank You,

Wendy Vasicek

____________________________

, " vreality_au "

<reality_v wrote:

Dear Mrs Wendy

It is unfortunate that you interpret this as a matter of politics. I

have absolutely no interest in forum politics or factionism, as

already mentioned to the moderator of this group and certain other

members with re to a previous issue. I do not know Tanvir or RR and

have not interacted with either of them online or offline.

I have much regard for you and am still grateful for all the various

times you have answered my queries. However, this is an aspect of

your capacity as moderator and guide that I find quite disappointing -