Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western astrology it

is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or is it

certain yogas?

 

Thanks

Alpana

[Guest guest]

Hello,

What is commitment phobia?

If we talk in materialistic terms , 2nd, 6th and 10th trine is for

efforts , commitment and gain by participation, profession and

commitment.

In friendly terms 3rd, 7th and 11th trine is for commitments in

relationships.

venus is selfish but sweet and diplomatic. Mercury for commitment but

influenced by other planetary influences.

 

In homeopathy Ingnitia persons are phobiac for commitment doing their

work and feeling that they have not done their duties.

Nux person are committed in selfish way looking for their own gains.

Lycos are better and sweet.

 

urenus is for strange unconventional, unexpected, intuitive and sort

of fanatic.

Aqurius sign has also similar properties as that of Urenus.Commitment

is not a trait with Urenus and aquirus , in my opinion.

Inder

 

 

 

, " Alpana Agarwal " <alpsice

wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

> horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western astrology

it

> is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or is it

> certain yogas?

>

> Thanks

> Alpana

>

[Guest guest]

Alpana,

 

Since phobias can only live in the mind -- or moon, it must be

afflicted and moon is traditionally considered afflicted when low in

pakshabala, eclipsed or debilitated (I would judge that last one

cautiously!), you have the story in a nutshell there, if not

comprehensively!

 

Moon has often been likened as water that rests in a vessel. The shape

and properties of the vessel determine what shape and form the water

shall assume! Think of water in an ice-cooled vessel -- or water in a

heated tea-pot or water in a chemistry text book -- merely a concept

but a real one!

 

 

, " Alpana Agarwal " <alpsice

wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

> horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western astrology it

> is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or is it

> certain yogas?

>

> Thanks

> Alpana

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Alpana

 

In vedic astrology it is 2nd house which indicates commit phobia. The rashi &

the planet placed in this house is very important. Various planets & planet

lordships gives results accordingly. I hv listed below all one by one. They all

are conditional, they should be strong enough in the chart. If afflicted then

results vary according to affliction.

1. Sun: Firm in commitment. It is like words engraved on stone.

2. Moon: Variable. As it rules the mind, the state of mind is more important.

3. Mars: Agressively firm but tricky

4. Mercury: Tactfully firm

5. Jupiter: Financially & spiritually firm, else tricky

6. Venus: Very honest & reliable on his comments

7. Saturn: Honest & Liar also but the later dominates.

8. Rahu: Honest in wrong commitments & vice versa

9. Ketu: Same as Mars.

 

 

GOD BLESS YOU

WITH WARM REGARDS

HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI

VEDIC ASTOLOGER

VAASTU CONSULTANT

CELL +919867214103

(MUMBAI,INDIA)

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________________________________

Alpana Agarwal <alpsice

 

Saturday, 14 February, 2009 10:19:20 AM

Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

 

 

Hi,

 

I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western astrology it

is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or is it

certain yogas?

 

Thanks

Alpana

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Haresh(Harry) Nathani,

 

This is GREAT sharing and good to see you open up...

 

Please explain though!

 

Particularily your statement about Ketu being SAME as Mars...

But what about Shanivada Rahu?

 

When (unless always?) shanivada rahu/kujavatha ketu applies?

 

 

 

, " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani "

<haresh1405 wrote:

>

> Dear Alpana

>

> In vedic astrology it is 2nd house which indicates commit phobia.

The rashi & the planet placed in this house is very important.

Various planets & planet lordships gives results accordingly. I hv

listed below all one by one. They all are conditional, they should be

strong enough in the chart. If afflicted then results vary according

to affliction.

> 1. Sun: Firm in commitment. It is like words engraved on stone.

> 2. Moon: Variable. As it rules the mind, the state of mind is more

important.

> 3. Mars: Agressively firm but tricky

> 4. Mercury: Tactfully firm

> 5. Jupiter: Financially & spiritually firm, else tricky

> 6. Venus: Very honest & reliable on his comments

> 7. Saturn: Honest & Liar also but the later dominates.

> 8. Rahu: Honest in wrong commitments & vice versa

> 9. Ketu: Same as Mars.

>

>  

> GOD BLESS YOU

> WITH WARM REGARDS

> HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI

> VEDIC ASTOLOGER

> VAASTU CONSULTANT

> CELL +919867214103

> (MUMBAI,INDIA)

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Alpana Agarwal <alpsice

>

> Saturday, 14 February, 2009 10:19:20 AM

> Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

> horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western astrology

it

> is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or is

it

> certain yogas?

>

> Thanks

> Alpana

>

>

>

>

>

> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

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[Guest guest]

Dear RR Ji

 

I hv aready given my reply on Rahu also, as rahu is more like a shadow,

eventhough ketu also, but rahu is more of a mirage type than ketu. 

 

 

GOD BLESS YOU

WITH WARM REGARDS

HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI

VEDIC ASTOLOGER

VAASTU CONSULTANT

CELL +919867214103

(MUMBAI,INDIA)

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

 

Saturday, 14 February, 2009 11:45:32 AM

Re: Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

 

 

Dear Haresh(Harry) Nathani,

 

This is GREAT sharing and good to see you open up...

 

Please explain though!

 

Particularily your statement about Ketu being SAME as Mars...

But what about Shanivada Rahu?

 

When (unless always?) shanivada rahu/kujavatha ketu applies?

 

, " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani "

<haresh1405@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Alpana

>

> In vedic astrology it is 2nd house which indicates commit phobia.

The rashi & the planet placed in this house is very important.

Various planets & planet lordships gives results accordingly. I hv

listed below all one by one. They all are conditional, they should be

strong enough in the chart. If afflicted then results vary according

to affliction.

> 1. Sun: Firm in commitment. It is like words engraved on stone.

> 2. Moon: Variable. As it rules the mind, the state of mind is more

important.

> 3. Mars: Agressively firm but tricky

> 4. Mercury: Tactfully firm

> 5. Jupiter: Financially & spiritually firm, else tricky

> 6. Venus: Very honest & reliable on his comments

> 7. Saturn: Honest & Liar also but the later dominates..

> 8. Rahu: Honest in wrong commitments & vice versa

> 9. Ketu: Same as Mars.

>

>  

> GOD BLESS YOU

> WITH WARM REGARDS

> HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI

> VEDIC ASTOLOGER

> VAASTU CONSULTANT

> CELL +919867214103

> (MUMBAI,INDIA)

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Alpana Agarwal <alpsice >

>

> Saturday, 14 February, 2009 10:19:20 AM

> Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

> horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western astrology

it

> is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or is

it

> certain yogas?

>

> Thanks

> Alpana

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Alpana,

                  

 

 

 

Inherent phobias, that you find even in young  children are ruled by Ascendant

, moon, ketu

and planets associated with them in an individual’s chart. But the acquired

phobias mainly due to insecurity are due to the effect of running dasas and

gochara planets reckoned mainly from “manas karaka†moon. No doubt, Saturn

also

plays an important role in this regard.. Between the nodes, Rahu rules ego,

sadism, diabolic tendencies ctc, whereas 

ketu complements with  low esteem,

masochism and lack of self confidence .Ketu also rules mysticism & occult

when it is strong.RegardSRS

 

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 14/2/09, Alpana Agarwal <alpsice wrote:

Alpana Agarwal <alpsice

Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

 

Saturday, 14 February, 2009, 10:19 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi,

 

 

 

I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

 

horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western astrology it

 

is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

 

responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or is it

 

certain yogas?

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Alpana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, " Inder " <indervohra2001

wrote:

 

In western astrology Uranus is also the planet signifying freedom and

radical change in some sense. It does not like any rules and

restrictions. It is the planet that has no regard for social

structure, and looks for unconventionality in everything. Hence, many

times it is associated with the phobia of getting tied down in any

sense. When it affects the moon, the person dislikes any kind of

discipline, routines, likes to be given total freedom of the mind.

They like flexibility, and will even change their mental attitudes

from time to time. When it aspects Venus, it indicates that the person

does not like to be tied to one person. In love, the person looks for

changeability, and finds the prospect of spending the rest of their

lives with one person very scary. Anyways, this is my understanding of

how Uranus/Aquarius influences operate from a western astrology

perspective.

 

 

I feel that this should have some connection to Venus also, since here

we are talking about commitment in terms of love relationships. But

that may be because I am still thinking from a western astro viewpoint

and getting the two mixed.

 

Another thing I'd like to emphasize, is that commitment phobia can

lead to dishonesty, but not necessarily. The root of the behavior is

irrational fear of being tied down. The person may not be dishonest

about this. In many cases, the person does want to have a loving

relationship, but backs out at the last moment, or when things start

to become really serious. Its like a constant struggle inside that

person.

 

 

>

> Hello,

> What is commitment phobia?

> If we talk in materialistic terms , 2nd, 6th and 10th trine is for

> efforts , commitment and gain by participation, profession and

> commitment.

> In friendly terms 3rd, 7th and 11th trine is for commitments in

> relationships.

> venus is selfish but sweet and diplomatic. Mercury for commitment but

> influenced by other planetary influences.

>

> In homeopathy Ingnitia persons are phobiac for commitment doing their

> work and feeling that they have not done their duties.

> Nux person are committed in selfish way looking for their own gains.

> Lycos are better and sweet.

>

> urenus is for strange unconventional, unexpected, intuitive and sort

> of fanatic.

> Aqurius sign has also similar properties as that of Urenus.Commitment

> is not a trait with Urenus and aquirus , in my opinion.

> Inder

>

>

>

> , " Alpana Agarwal " <alpsice@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

> > horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western astrology

> it

> > is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> > responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or is it

> > certain yogas?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Alpana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

RRji,

 

I agree with you about the moon's involvement. But also in my

experience (and its very limited ) often a scorpio moon person is

quite intense and welcomes relationships. They are not afraid of the

depths, so to speak, which is the case often with commitment

phobics...the bail out because of the feeling of getting suffocated.

I am wondering if we also need to take into account the nakshatra of

the moon?

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Alpana,

>

> Since phobias can only live in the mind -- or moon, it must be

> afflicted and moon is traditionally considered afflicted when low in

> pakshabala, eclipsed or debilitated (I would judge that last one

> cautiously!), you have the story in a nutshell there, if not

> comprehensively!

>

> Moon has often been likened as water that rests in a vessel. The shape

> and properties of the vessel determine what shape and form the water

> shall assume! Think of water in an ice-cooled vessel -- or water in a

> heated tea-pot or water in a chemistry text book -- merely a concept

> but a real one!

>

>

> , " Alpana Agarwal " <alpsice@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

> > horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western astrology it

> > is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> > responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or is it

> > certain yogas?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Alpana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Scorpio moons with afflictions can have real 'phobias' and not the

sense in which the term 'phobia' has been used in this thread :-)

 

RR

 

, " Alpana Agarwal "

<alpsice wrote:

>

> RRji,

>

> I agree with you about the moon's involvement. But also in my

> experience (and its very limited ) often a scorpio moon person is

> quite intense and welcomes relationships. They are not afraid of the

> depths, so to speak, which is the case often with commitment

> phobics...the bail out because of the feeling of getting suffocated.

> I am wondering if we also need to take into account the nakshatra of

> the moon?

>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Alpana,

> >

> > Since phobias can only live in the mind -- or moon, it must be

> > afflicted and moon is traditionally considered afflicted when low

in

> > pakshabala, eclipsed or debilitated (I would judge that last one

> > cautiously!), you have the story in a nutshell there, if not

> > comprehensively!

> >

> > Moon has often been likened as water that rests in a vessel. The

shape

> > and properties of the vessel determine what shape and form the

water

> > shall assume! Think of water in an ice-cooled vessel -- or water

in a

> > heated tea-pot or water in a chemistry text book -- merely a

concept

> > but a real one!

> >

> >

> > , " Alpana Agarwal "

<alpsice@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

> > > horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western

astrology it

> > > is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> > > responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or

is it

> > > certain yogas?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Alpana

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That is true, its not a real phobia in that sense. Its more like a

personality disorder.

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Scorpio moons with afflictions can have real 'phobias' and not the

> sense in which the term 'phobia' has been used in this thread :-)

>

> RR

>

> , " Alpana Agarwal "

> <alpsice@> wrote:

> >

> > RRji,

> >

> > I agree with you about the moon's involvement. But also in my

> > experience (and its very limited ) often a scorpio moon person is

> > quite intense and welcomes relationships. They are not afraid of the

> > depths, so to speak, which is the case often with commitment

> > phobics...the bail out because of the feeling of getting suffocated.

> > I am wondering if we also need to take into account the nakshatra of

> > the moon?

> >

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Alpana,

> > >

> > > Since phobias can only live in the mind -- or moon, it must be

> > > afflicted and moon is traditionally considered afflicted when low

> in

> > > pakshabala, eclipsed or debilitated (I would judge that last one

> > > cautiously!), you have the story in a nutshell there, if not

> > > comprehensively!

> > >

> > > Moon has often been likened as water that rests in a vessel. The

> shape

> > > and properties of the vessel determine what shape and form the

> water

> > > shall assume! Think of water in an ice-cooled vessel -- or water

> in a

> > > heated tea-pot or water in a chemistry text book -- merely a

> concept

> > > but a real one!

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Alpana Agarwal "

> <alpsice@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

> > > > horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western

> astrology it

> > > > is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> > > > responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or

> is it

> > > > certain yogas?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Alpana

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It is necessary to make a clear distinction between phobia and paranoia. While

former is an ailment, the latter is born out of delusions.

SRS

 

--- On Sat, 14/2/09, Alpana Agarwal <alpsice wrote:

Alpana Agarwal <alpsice

Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

 

Saturday, 14 February, 2009, 10:19 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi,

 

 

 

I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

 

horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western astrology it

 

is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

 

responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or is it

 

certain yogas?

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Alpana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi all

 

I have a scorpio moon, in 11 th house. But I dont suffer from any committment

phobia but it tends to give me mood swings on and off , I am prone to go into

depression but I have a strong will power. My nakshatra is Anuradha.

Earlier i was wearing a moonstone but not now. Can you please tell me how moon

in my chart will affect me. my details are:

 

DOB- 2nd june 1985

POB- New Delhi

TOB- 11.40 PM

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Alpana Agarwal <alpsice

 

Sunday, 15 February, 2009 2:11:52 AM

Re: Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

 

 

That is true, its not a real phobia in that sense. Its more like a

personality disorder.

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Scorpio moons with afflictions can have real 'phobias' and not the

> sense in which the term 'phobia' has been used in this thread :-)

>

> RR

>

> , " Alpana Agarwal "

> <alpsice@> wrote:

> >

> > RRji,

> >

> > I agree with you about the moon's involvement. But also in my

> > experience (and its very limited ) often a scorpio moon person is

> > quite intense and welcomes relationships. They are not afraid of the

> > depths, so to speak, which is the case often with commitment

> > phobics...the bail out because of the feeling of getting suffocated.

> > I am wondering if we also need to take into account the nakshatra of

> > the moon?

> >

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Alpana,

> > >

> > > Since phobias can only live in the mind -- or moon, it must be

> > > afflicted and moon is traditionally considered afflicted when low

> in

> > > pakshabala, eclipsed or debilitated (I would judge that last one

> > > cautiously!) , you have the story in a nutshell there, if not

> > > comprehensively!

> > >

> > > Moon has often been likened as water that rests in a vessel. The

> shape

> > > and properties of the vessel determine what shape and form the

> water

> > > shall assume! Think of water in an ice-cooled vessel -- or water

> in a

> > > heated tea-pot or water in a chemistry text book -- merely a

> concept

> > > but a real one!

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Alpana Agarwal "

> <alpsice@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

> > > > horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western

> astrology it

> > > > is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> > > > responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or

> is it

> > > > certain yogas?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Alpana

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Geetika

 

Pls do not get carried away by the undirected debate being started by a astro

from this forum. It certainly appears the astro who initiated this discussion

has not presented the facts & is also not able to give a proper direction. Any

illdirected discussion creates confussions.

 

People with debilated moon will also certainly get more confused. Moon is the

karak for the mind & if debilated will make u feel insecured & nervous very

fast. Since it is also placed in the house of multiplicity in ur chart ur desire

on multiplicity always remains unfullfilled. U will also feel more insecured &

hv nervous phobia around poornima and few days before & after amavyas.

 

U should never wear any gemstone for debilated moon, u should in fact take the

help of colour therapy. Use more of white clothing on any body, have more of

white food stuff like milk, curd, butter milk, ghee, rice etc.

 

 

GOD BLESS YOU

WITH WARM REGARDS

HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI

VEDIC ASTOLOGER

VAASTU CONSULTANT

CELL +919867214103

(MUMBAI,INDIA)

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

geetika sarpal <geetika_sarpal

 

Sunday, 15 February, 2009 11:38:34 AM

Re: Re: Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

 

 

Hi all

 

I have a scorpio moon, in 11 th house. But I dont suffer from any committment

phobia but it tends to give me mood swings on and off , I am prone to go into

depression but I have a strong will power. My nakshatra is Anuradha.

Earlier i was wearing a moonstone but not now. Can you please tell me how moon

in my chart will affect me. my details are:

 

DOB- 2nd june 1985

POB- New Delhi

TOB- 11.40 PM

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Alpana Agarwal <alpsice (AT) (DOT) co.in>

 

Sunday, 15 February, 2009 2:11:52 AM

Re: Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

 

That is true, its not a real phobia in that sense. Its more like a

personality disorder.

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Scorpio moons with afflictions can have real 'phobias' and not the

> sense in which the term 'phobia' has been used in this thread :-)

>

> RR

>

> , " Alpana Agarwal "

> <alpsice@> wrote:

> >

> > RRji,

> >

> > I agree with you about the moon's involvement. But also in my

> > experience (and its very limited ) often a scorpio moon person is

> > quite intense and welcomes relationships. They are not afraid of the

> > depths, so to speak, which is the case often with commitment

> > phobics...the bail out because of the feeling of getting suffocated.

> > I am wondering if we also need to take into account the nakshatra of

> > the moon?

> >

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Alpana,

> > >

> > > Since phobias can only live in the mind -- or moon, it must be

> > > afflicted and moon is traditionally considered afflicted when low

> in

> > > pakshabala, eclipsed or debilitated (I would judge that last one

> > > cautiously!) , you have the story in a nutshell there, if not

> > > comprehensively!

> > >

> > > Moon has often been likened as water that rests in a vessel. The

> shape

> > > and properties of the vessel determine what shape and form the

> water

> > > shall assume! Think of water in an ice-cooled vessel -- or water

> in a

> > > heated tea-pot or water in a chemistry text book -- merely a

> concept

> > > but a real one!

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Alpana Agarwal "

> <alpsice@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

> > > > horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western

> astrology it

> > > > is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> > > > responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or

> is it

> > > > certain yogas?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Alpana

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

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hello RRji,

How are you?

You are right that affliction and weakness of Moon can give

neurotic problems like phobia or mania etc but placement with

reference to house cusp position has also to be seen.

Dear Alpana,

You have not explained what is commitment phobia.

Like you performing and feeling that you are not able to fulfil your

promises.

or You are always worried that you will fall into commitment if you

perform or have a relationship etc.

 

In my view [as we see in KP astrology] linkages of lagna/5th etc to

8th house may be such condition in love life.

or linkage of 10th with 8th may make you workoholic worried always

of commitments. Otherwise linkage of 10th with 8th is very

beneficial as hard work and misery leads to the advancement of

career [as 8th is 11th to 10th]

Inder

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Alpana,

>

> Since phobias can only live in the mind -- or moon, it must be

> afflicted and moon is traditionally considered afflicted when low

in

> pakshabala, eclipsed or debilitated (I would judge that last one

> cautiously!), you have the story in a nutshell there, if not

> comprehensively!

>

> Moon has often been likened as water that rests in a vessel. The

shape

> and properties of the vessel determine what shape and form the

water

> shall assume! Think of water in an ice-cooled vessel -- or water

in a

> heated tea-pot or water in a chemistry text book -- merely a

concept

> but a real one!

>

>

> , " Alpana Agarwal "

<alpsice@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

> > horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western

astrology it

> > is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> > responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or

is it

> > certain yogas?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Alpana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Geethika,

 

This is the inherent danger in discussing factors in astrology.

Sooner or later people begin to break out their charts and get all

tangled :-)

 

If one factor like neecha moon was enough to nail the coffin shut on

a planet, then astrology would become the most popular pasttime in

day-care centres and kindergarten, if you catch my drift.

 

Look at your chart for instance. The moon is full, in kendra from

saturn that is the lord of its nakshatra anuradha, and in kendra from

a budhaditya in the fifth house. Due to the slight weakness of

mercury, there may have or will some tendency to be forgetful and the

presence of saturn can give you a bit of tendency to have bouts of

sadness or mild despair from time to time. Venus gives a mild

cancellation to the moon. Just curious about one thing. Did one of

your siblings or an equivalent and close cousin experience some

significant difficulty, disease or worse etc.? Possibly between

december 2003 to may 2005...

 

There are factors for strength in the relevant varga but I do not

wish to turn this into a full scale analysis of your chart. So not to

worry! :-)

 

And don't take everything discussed here too personally (the caveat

is true for others too!)

 

 

RR

 

 

, geetika sarpal

<geetika_sarpal wrote:

>

> Hi all

>

> I have a scorpio moon, in 11 th house. But I dont suffer from any

committment phobia but it tends to give me mood swings on and off , I

am prone to go into depression but I have a strong will power. My

nakshatra is Anuradha.

> Earlier i was wearing a moonstone but not now. Can you please tell

me how moon in my chart will affect me. my details are:

>

> DOB- 2nd june 1985

> POB- New Delhi

> TOB- 11.40 PM

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Alpana Agarwal <alpsice

>

> Sunday, 15 February, 2009 2:11:52 AM

> Re: Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

>

>

> That is true, its not a real phobia in that sense. Its more like a

> personality disorder.

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Scorpio moons with afflictions can have real 'phobias' and not

the

> > sense in which the term 'phobia' has been used in this thread :-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , " Alpana Agarwal "

> > <alpsice@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > >

> > > I agree with you about the moon's involvement. But also in my

> > > experience (and its very limited ) often a scorpio moon

person is

> > > quite intense and welcomes relationships. They are not afraid

of the

> > > depths, so to speak, which is the case often with commitment

> > > phobics...the bail out because of the feeling of getting

suffocated.

> > > I am wondering if we also need to take into account the

nakshatra of

> > > the moon?

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Alpana,

> > > >

> > > > Since phobias can only live in the mind -- or moon, it must

be

> > > > afflicted and moon is traditionally considered afflicted when

low

> > in

> > > > pakshabala, eclipsed or debilitated (I would judge that last

one

> > > > cautiously!) , you have the story in a nutshell there, if not

> > > > comprehensively!

> > > >

> > > > Moon has often been likened as water that rests in a vessel.

The

> > shape

> > > > and properties of the vessel determine what shape and form

the

> > water

> > > > shall assume! Think of water in an ice-cooled vessel -- or

water

> > in a

> > > > heated tea-pot or water in a chemistry text book -- merely a

> > concept

> > > > but a real one!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Alpana Agarwal "

> > <alpsice@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in

a

> > > > > horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western

> > astrology it

> > > > > is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> > > > > responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for

jyotish? Or

> > is it

> > > > > certain yogas?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Alpana

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

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>

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Namaskar Inder ji,

 

Nice to see you posting actively :-)

 

The problem with discussing astrological factors on forums with mixed

traffic like this is that beginners would tend to run with what is

discussed or begin to criticise, hence I generally tend to avoid

such. Phobias are more likely when moon is weak and afflicted by

lunar nodes for instance. As always a full analysis should be carried

out before calling in the psychiatrist :-)

 

The fact of the matter is that most ordinary people like us who

gather here have afflictions but not all of those manifest just as

recessive genes do not express. But I am sure a knowledgeable and

experienced astrologer knows all that and has seen it many times.

This caveat was sounded just in case someone with moon cnj rahu get

all anxious etc.

 

RR

 

, " Inder " <indervohra2001

wrote:

>

> hello RRji,

> How are you?

> You are right that affliction and weakness of Moon can give

> neurotic problems like phobia or mania etc but placement with

> reference to house cusp position has also to be seen.

> Dear Alpana,

> You have not explained what is commitment phobia.

> Like you performing and feeling that you are not able to fulfil

your

> promises.

> or You are always worried that you will fall into commitment if you

> perform or have a relationship etc.

>

> In my view [as we see in KP astrology] linkages of lagna/5th etc to

> 8th house may be such condition in love life.

> or linkage of 10th with 8th may make you workoholic worried always

> of commitments. Otherwise linkage of 10th with 8th is very

> beneficial as hard work and misery leads to the advancement of

> career [as 8th is 11th to 10th]

> Inder

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Alpana,

> >

> > Since phobias can only live in the mind -- or moon, it must be

> > afflicted and moon is traditionally considered afflicted when low

> in

> > pakshabala, eclipsed or debilitated (I would judge that last one

> > cautiously!), you have the story in a nutshell there, if not

> > comprehensively!

> >

> > Moon has often been likened as water that rests in a vessel. The

> shape

> > and properties of the vessel determine what shape and form the

> water

> > shall assume! Think of water in an ice-cooled vessel -- or water

> in a

> > heated tea-pot or water in a chemistry text book -- merely a

> concept

> > but a real one!

> >

> >

> > , " Alpana Agarwal "

> <alpsice@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

> > > horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western

> astrology it

> > > is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> > > responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or

> is it

> > > certain yogas?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Alpana

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Resrpected Rohini Ranjan ji

 

If you remember you have earlier in jan-feb 2008 done an analysis of my chart

wherein I had asked questions about my job and health . I am still thankful to

you for that.

 

Though I could not not very much understand the analysis you have posted here,

but in response to your question of my siblings facing problems in the mentioned

time frame I would tell you that my sister faced some real seroius health

problems and my brother faced a lot of difficult time also though not in terms

of health.It would not be possible for me to explain it in detail for me on this

public forum. It was actually the worse time for both of them and kind of for me

because I am very closely associated with them

I only hope that though my moon is afflicted as you said and at present I am

eperiencing those bouts of sadness time to time, I hope that there are enough

other factors in my chart as you said to help me as they have helped me till

now.

 

Best Regards

geetika

 

 

 

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

 

Sunday, 15 February, 2009 6:11:28 PM

Re: Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

 

 

Geethika,

 

This is the inherent danger in discussing factors in astrology.

Sooner or later people begin to break out their charts and get all

tangled :-)

 

If one factor like neecha moon was enough to nail the coffin shut on

a planet, then astrology would become the most popular pasttime in

day-care centres and kindergarten, if you catch my drift.

 

Look at your chart for instance. The moon is full, in kendra from

saturn that is the lord of its nakshatra anuradha, and in kendra from

a budhaditya in the fifth house. Due to the slight weakness of

mercury, there may have or will some tendency to be forgetful and the

presence of saturn can give you a bit of tendency to have bouts of

sadness or mild despair from time to time. Venus gives a mild

cancellation to the moon. Just curious about one thing. Did one of

your siblings or an equivalent and close cousin experience some

significant difficulty, disease or worse etc.? Possibly between

december 2003 to may 2005...

 

There are factors for strength in the relevant varga but I do not

wish to turn this into a full scale analysis of your chart. So not to

worry! :-)

 

And don't take everything discussed here too personally (the caveat

is true for others too!)

 

RR

 

, geetika sarpal

<geetika_sarpal@ ...> wrote:

>

> Hi all

>

> I have a scorpio moon, in 11 th house. But I dont suffer from any

committment phobia but it tends to give me mood swings on and off , I

am prone to go into depression but I have a strong will power. My

nakshatra is Anuradha.

> Earlier i was wearing a moonstone but not now. Can you please tell

me how moon in my chart will affect me. my details are:

>

> DOB- 2nd june 1985

> POB- New Delhi

> TOB- 11.40 PM

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Alpana Agarwal <alpsice >

>

> Sunday, 15 February, 2009 2:11:52 AM

> Re: Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

>

>

> That is true, its not a real phobia in that sense. Its more like a

> personality disorder.

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Scorpio moons with afflictions can have real 'phobias' and not

the

> > sense in which the term 'phobia' has been used in this thread :-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , " Alpana Agarwal "

> > <alpsice@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > >

> > > I agree with you about the moon's involvement. But also in my

> > > experience (and its very limited ) often a scorpio moon

person is

> > > quite intense and welcomes relationships. They are not afraid

of the

> > > depths, so to speak, which is the case often with commitment

> > > phobics...the bail out because of the feeling of getting

suffocated.

> > > I am wondering if we also need to take into account the

nakshatra of

> > > the moon?

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Alpana,

> > > >

> > > > Since phobias can only live in the mind -- or moon, it must

be

> > > > afflicted and moon is traditionally considered afflicted when

low

> > in

> > > > pakshabala, eclipsed or debilitated (I would judge that last

one

> > > > cautiously!) , you have the story in a nutshell there, if not

> > > > comprehensively!

> > > >

> > > > Moon has often been likened as water that rests in a vessel.

The

> > shape

> > > > and properties of the vessel determine what shape and form

the

> > water

> > > > shall assume! Think of water in an ice-cooled vessel -- or

water

> > in a

> > > > heated tea-pot or water in a chemistry text book -- merely a

> > concept

> > > > but a real one!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Alpana Agarwal "

> > <alpsice@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in

a

> > > > > horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western

> > astrology it

> > > > > is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> > > > > responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for

jyotish? Or

> > is it

> > > > > certain yogas?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Alpana

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the feedback and hopefully things go well for you.

 

RR

 

, geetika sarpal

<geetika_sarpal wrote:

>

> Resrpected Rohini Ranjan ji

>

> If you remember you have earlier in jan-feb 2008 done an analysis

of my chart wherein I had asked questions about my job and health . I

am still thankful to you for that.

>

> Though I could not not very much understand the analysis you have

posted here, but in response to your question of my siblings facing

problems in the mentioned time frame I would tell you that my sister

faced some real seroius health problems and my brother faced a lot of

difficult time also though not in terms of health.It would not be

possible for me to explain it in detail for me on this public forum.

It was actually the worse time for both of them and kind of for me

because I am very closely associated with them

> I only hope that though my moon is afflicted as you said and at

present I am eperiencing those bouts of sadness time to time, I hope

that there are enough other factors in my chart as you said to help

me as they have helped me till now.

>

> Best Regards

> geetika

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

>

> Sunday, 15 February, 2009 6:11:28 PM

> Re: Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

>

>

> Geethika,

>

> This is the inherent danger in discussing factors in astrology.

> Sooner or later people begin to break out their charts and get all

> tangled :-)

>

> If one factor like neecha moon was enough to nail the coffin shut

on

> a planet, then astrology would become the most popular pasttime in

> day-care centres and kindergarten, if you catch my drift.

>

> Look at your chart for instance. The moon is full, in kendra from

> saturn that is the lord of its nakshatra anuradha, and in kendra

from

> a budhaditya in the fifth house. Due to the slight weakness of

> mercury, there may have or will some tendency to be forgetful and

the

> presence of saturn can give you a bit of tendency to have bouts of

> sadness or mild despair from time to time. Venus gives a mild

> cancellation to the moon. Just curious about one thing. Did one of

> your siblings or an equivalent and close cousin experience some

> significant difficulty, disease or worse etc.? Possibly between

> december 2003 to may 2005...

>

> There are factors for strength in the relevant varga but I do not

> wish to turn this into a full scale analysis of your chart. So not

to

> worry! :-)

>

> And don't take everything discussed here too personally (the caveat

> is true for others too!)

>

> RR

>

> , geetika sarpal

> <geetika_sarpal@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi all

> >

> > I have a scorpio moon, in 11 th house. But I dont suffer from any

> committment phobia but it tends to give me mood swings on and off ,

I

> am prone to go into depression but I have a strong will power. My

> nakshatra is Anuradha.

> > Earlier i was wearing a moonstone but not now. Can you please

tell

> me how moon in my chart will affect me. my details are:

> >

> > DOB- 2nd june 1985

> > POB- New Delhi

> > TOB- 11.40 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Alpana Agarwal <alpsice@ >

> >

> > Sunday, 15 February, 2009 2:11:52 AM

> > Re: Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

> >

> >

> > That is true, its not a real phobia in that sense. Its more like a

> > personality disorder.

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Scorpio moons with afflictions can have real 'phobias' and not

> the

> > > sense in which the term 'phobia' has been used in this thread :-

)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , " Alpana Agarwal "

> > > <alpsice@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RRji,

> > > >

> > > > I agree with you about the moon's involvement. But also in my

> > > > experience (and its very limited ) often a scorpio moon

> person is

> > > > quite intense and welcomes relationships. They are not afraid

> of the

> > > > depths, so to speak, which is the case often with commitment

> > > > phobics...the bail out because of the feeling of getting

> suffocated.

> > > > I am wondering if we also need to take into account the

> nakshatra of

> > > > the moon?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Alpana,

> > > > >

> > > > > Since phobias can only live in the mind -- or moon, it must

> be

> > > > > afflicted and moon is traditionally considered afflicted

when

> low

> > > in

> > > > > pakshabala, eclipsed or debilitated (I would judge that

last

> one

> > > > > cautiously!) , you have the story in a nutshell there, if

not

> > > > > comprehensively!

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon has often been likened as water that rests in a

vessel.

> The

> > > shape

> > > > > and properties of the vessel determine what shape and form

> the

> > > water

> > > > > shall assume! Think of water in an ice-cooled vessel -- or

> water

> > > in a

> > > > > heated tea-pot or water in a chemistry text book -- merely

a

> > > concept

> > > > > but a real one!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Alpana Agarwal "

> > > <alpsice@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what

in

> a

> > > > > > horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western

> > > astrology it

> > > > > > is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> > > > > > responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for

> jyotish? Or

> > > is it

> > > > > > certain yogas?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Alpana

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

> http://messenger. / invite/

> >

> >

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Dear Harryji, RRji, Inderji and all other members of this group,

 

I am sorry for not presenting the facts clearly, and starting this

vague quest to learn some astrological factors. I hope you will

forgive it as a newbie mistake I am just trying to learn astrology

on my own, and visit this group (mostly as an observer) and try to

learn from the analyses given by the members of this forum. Thanks for

all your inputs, I am still going over it and trying to put the pieces

in place in my mind.

 

Alpana

 

, " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani "

<haresh1405 wrote:

>

> Dear Geetika

>  

> Pls do not get carried away by the undirected debate being started

by a astro from this forum. It certainly appears the astro who

initiated this discussion has not presented the facts & is also not

able to give a proper direction. Any illdirected discussion creates

confussions.

>  

> People with debilated moon will also certainly get more confused.

Moon is the karak for the mind & if debilated will make u feel

insecured & nervous very fast. Since it is also placed in the house of

multiplicity in ur chart ur desire on multiplicity always remains

unfullfilled. U will also feel more insecured & hv nervous phobia

around poornima and few days before & after amavyas.

>  

> U should never wear any gemstone for debilated moon, u should in

fact take the help of colour therapy. Use more of white clothing on

any body, have more of white food stuff like milk, curd, butter milk,

ghee, rice etc.

>

>  

> GOD BLESS YOU

> WITH WARM REGARDS

> HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI

> VEDIC ASTOLOGER

> VAASTU CONSULTANT

> CELL +919867214103

> (MUMBAI,INDIA)

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>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> geetika sarpal <geetika_sarpal

>

> Sunday, 15 February, 2009 11:38:34 AM

> Re: Re: Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

>

>

> Hi all

>

> I have a scorpio moon, in 11 th house. But I dont suffer from any

committment phobia but it tends to give me mood swings on and off , I

am prone to go into depression but I have a strong will power. My

nakshatra is Anuradha.

> Earlier i was wearing a moonstone but not now. Can you please tell

me how moon in my chart will affect me. my details are:

>

> DOB- 2nd june 1985

> POB- New Delhi

> TOB- 11.40 PM

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Alpana Agarwal <alpsice (AT) (DOT) co.in>

>

> Sunday, 15 February, 2009 2:11:52 AM

> Re: Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

>

> That is true, its not a real phobia in that sense. Its more like a

> personality disorder.

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Scorpio moons with afflictions can have real 'phobias' and not the

> > sense in which the term 'phobia' has been used in this thread :-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , " Alpana Agarwal "

> > <alpsice@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > >

> > > I agree with you about the moon's involvement. But also in my

> > > experience (and its very limited ) often a scorpio moon person is

> > > quite intense and welcomes relationships. They are not afraid of the

> > > depths, so to speak, which is the case often with commitment

> > > phobics...the bail out because of the feeling of getting suffocated.

> > > I am wondering if we also need to take into account the nakshatra of

> > > the moon?

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Alpana,

> > > >

> > > > Since phobias can only live in the mind -- or moon, it must be

> > > > afflicted and moon is traditionally considered afflicted when low

> > in

> > > > pakshabala, eclipsed or debilitated (I would judge that last one

> > > > cautiously!) , you have the story in a nutshell there, if not

> > > > comprehensively!

> > > >

> > > > Moon has often been likened as water that rests in a vessel. The

> > shape

> > > > and properties of the vessel determine what shape and form the

> > water

> > > > shall assume! Think of water in an ice-cooled vessel -- or water

> > in a

> > > > heated tea-pot or water in a chemistry text book -- merely a

> > concept

> > > > but a real one!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Alpana Agarwal "

> > <alpsice@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

> > > > > horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western

> > astrology it

> > > > > is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> > > > > responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or

> > is it

> > > > > certain yogas?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Alpana

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Alpana,

 

I do not think you should feel that way at all. I think people should

let their hair down on these fora and let discussion evolve in

different directions as has been the case on this thread. Too many

rules and boundaries just makes for stiffled conversation as we have

seen here and elsewhere from time to time!

 

The only thing that gets my goat is when people inject their personal

biases in the name of astrological discussions. Which is not the case

in your discussion.

 

Speaking for myself, please carry on and do not feel that you are

breaking some sacred or sombre code ;-)

 

RR

 

, " Alpana Agarwal "

<alpsice wrote:

>

> Dear Harryji, RRji, Inderji and all other members of this group,

>

> I am sorry for not presenting the facts clearly, and starting this

> vague quest to learn some astrological factors. I hope you will

> forgive it as a newbie mistake I am just trying to learn

astrology

> on my own, and visit this group (mostly as an observer) and try to

> learn from the analyses given by the members of this forum. Thanks

for

> all your inputs, I am still going over it and trying to put the

pieces

> in place in my mind.

>

> Alpana

>

> , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani "

> <haresh1405@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Geetika

> >  

> > Pls do not get carried away by the undirected debate being started

> by a astro from this forum. It certainly appears the astro who

> initiated this discussion has not presented the facts & is also not

> able to give a proper direction. Any illdirected discussion creates

> confussions.

> >  

> > People with debilated moon will also certainly get more confused.

> Moon is the karak for the mind & if debilated will make u feel

> insecured & nervous very fast. Since it is also placed in the house

of

> multiplicity in ur chart ur desire on multiplicity always remains

> unfullfilled. U will also feel more insecured & hv nervous phobia

> around poornima and few days before & after amavyas.

> >  

> > U should never wear any gemstone for debilated moon, u should in

> fact take the help of colour therapy. Use more of white clothing on

> any body, have more of white food stuff like milk, curd, butter

milk,

> ghee, rice etc.

> >

> >  

> > GOD BLESS YOU

> > WITH WARM REGARDS

> > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI

> > VEDIC ASTOLOGER

> > VAASTU CONSULTANT

> > CELL +919867214103

> > (MUMBAI,INDIA)

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > geetika sarpal <geetika_sarpal@>

> >

> > Sunday, 15 February, 2009 11:38:34 AM

> > Re: Re: Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

> >

> >

> > Hi all

> >

> > I have a scorpio moon, in 11 th house. But I dont suffer from any

> committment phobia but it tends to give me mood swings on and off ,

I

> am prone to go into depression but I have a strong will power. My

> nakshatra is Anuradha.

> > Earlier i was wearing a moonstone but not now. Can you please tell

> me how moon in my chart will affect me. my details are:

> >

> > DOB- 2nd june 1985

> > POB- New Delhi

> > TOB- 11.40 PM

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Alpana Agarwal <alpsice (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> >

> > Sunday, 15 February, 2009 2:11:52 AM

> > Re: Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

> >

> > That is true, its not a real phobia in that sense. Its more like a

> > personality disorder.

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Scorpio moons with afflictions can have real 'phobias' and not

the

> > > sense in which the term 'phobia' has been used in this thread :-

)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , " Alpana Agarwal "

> > > <alpsice@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RRji,

> > > >

> > > > I agree with you about the moon's involvement. But also in my

> > > > experience (and its very limited ) often a scorpio moon

person is

> > > > quite intense and welcomes relationships. They are not afraid

of the

> > > > depths, so to speak, which is the case often with commitment

> > > > phobics...the bail out because of the feeling of getting

suffocated.

> > > > I am wondering if we also need to take into account the

nakshatra of

> > > > the moon?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Alpana,

> > > > >

> > > > > Since phobias can only live in the mind -- or moon, it must

be

> > > > > afflicted and moon is traditionally considered afflicted

when low

> > > in

> > > > > pakshabala, eclipsed or debilitated (I would judge that

last one

> > > > > cautiously!) , you have the story in a nutshell there, if

not

> > > > > comprehensively!

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon has often been likened as water that rests in a

vessel. The

> > > shape

> > > > > and properties of the vessel determine what shape and form

the

> > > water

> > > > > shall assume! Think of water in an ice-cooled vessel -- or

water

> > > in a

> > > > > heated tea-pot or water in a chemistry text book -- merely

a

> > > concept

> > > > > but a real one!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Alpana Agarwal "

> > > <alpsice@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what

in a

> > > > > > horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western

> > > astrology it

> > > > > > is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> > > > > > responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for

jyotish? Or

> > > is it

> > > > > > certain yogas?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Alpana

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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SRS ji,

 

As briefly touched in an earlier message in this thread, let us move

away from the literal term phobia as used in mental health context.

The original question in this thread with examples etc given by

Alpana very clearly indicates that it was about " reluctance towards

making a committment " or loosely 'fear of making a committment'. I

think that is where phobia entered and became a nail in this cyber-

wall over which we are all hanging our thinking caps.

 

I do not believe it is a simple enough concept to pin it to a planet

or a rashi or varga or yoga or even houses. The same person who may

have difficulty in committing to a relationship can be highly

committed to a project or own work or tuesday evening bhajan mandali

and temple services etc.

 

Many inventors for instance have been associated with uranus for

instance and while they may forget to bring chocolates to their girl

friends, they rarely forget to water the genetic chimera they are

working on (the mango tree that walks!).

 

Some astrologers and jyotishis give this impression that some

correlations between astro factors and a trait or event are absolute

but after careful examination and repeated testing the magical

correlation seems to weaken if not vanish. I was reading PVR's thread

recently in which he reminds all astrologers to test something in

dozens and not just a few chart before turning it into a firm rule or

association. Wise words indeed.

 

A general and global avoidance of responsibility is of course a

serious flaw and perhaps of great interest to forensic psychologists,

but I do not believe this thread was ever intended to discuss those.

Of course Alpana alone could corroborate for we all just go by our

interpretations and not always can everyone be right.

 

RR

 

, RAMA SUBRAMANIAN

<srs81520 wrote:

>

> It is necessary to make a clear distinction between phobia and

paranoia. While former is an ailment, the latter is born out of

delusions.

> SRS

>

> --- On Sat, 14/2/09, Alpana Agarwal <alpsice wrote:

> Alpana Agarwal <alpsice

> Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

>

> Saturday, 14 February, 2009, 10:19 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

Hi,

>

>

>

> I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

>

> horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western astrology

it

>

> is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

>

> responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or is

it

>

> certain yogas?

>

>

>

> Thanks

>

> Alpana

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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Dear Inderji and SRSji,

 

RRji's interpretation is the one I meant. Commitment phobia is not a

phobia in the literal sense of the word. It was a term coined to

describe a behaviour that is observed in some people's attitudes

towards (specifically) romantic relationships. Here are some of the

characteristics of so-called commitment phobic people from a website:

 

1. Commitment phobic people are tortured souls full of FEAR. They are

in a constant state of emotional conflict because of their negative

irrational beliefs about love, commitment and relationships. In

relationships they create great confusion, havoc, pain, and anguish as

their behaviours are often insensitive, unpredictable and bizarre.

 

2. They usually have a history of short relationships and they may

never have been married - there is often an excuse that they haven't

met the right woman, or they justify their history by saying they

still have plenty of time to settle down as they can have children at

any age. A favourite line is " someday " .

 

3. If they have been married it is likely to have been for a short

time, or, if they have been in a long term relationship or marriage,

they will usually have a history of infidelity

 

4. They want a relationship but they also want freedom and space so

they are often attracted to long distance relationships and busy

independent women.

 

5. They often choose men/women who are not the type of partner they

are looking for, for example they may be much older, much younger,

married, or they may have different interests. They use these

differences as excuses to end relationships.

 

6. A commitment phobic won't allow the relationship to grow and they

have no intentions of ever doing so.

 

This article was written with men in mind, bcoz more men than women

are supposed to be scared of commitment. But women too can show this

kind of behaviour. The cause could me anything from needing a lot of

space, being scared of relationships because of past hurts and

disappointments, or because of fear of failure or making a wrong

decision and being stuck with it for life. But the end result is

making a commitment becomes very difficult for such a person.

 

This is seen more in western cultures, or where dating is more common.

But I have a gut feeling that a lot of people who get married late

might be having similar issues which get disguised as looking for the

perfect partner etc.

 

 

 

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> SRS ji,

>

> As briefly touched in an earlier message in this thread, let us move

> away from the literal term phobia as used in mental health context.

> The original question in this thread with examples etc given by

> Alpana very clearly indicates that it was about " reluctance towards

> making a committment " or loosely 'fear of making a committment'. I

> think that is where phobia entered and became a nail in this cyber-

> wall over which we are all hanging our thinking caps.

>

> I do not believe it is a simple enough concept to pin it to a planet

> or a rashi or varga or yoga or even houses. The same person who may

> have difficulty in committing to a relationship can be highly

> committed to a project or own work or tuesday evening bhajan mandali

> and temple services etc.

>

> Many inventors for instance have been associated with uranus for

> instance and while they may forget to bring chocolates to their girl

> friends, they rarely forget to water the genetic chimera they are

> working on (the mango tree that walks!).

>

> Some astrologers and jyotishis give this impression that some

> correlations between astro factors and a trait or event are absolute

> but after careful examination and repeated testing the magical

> correlation seems to weaken if not vanish. I was reading PVR's thread

> recently in which he reminds all astrologers to test something in

> dozens and not just a few chart before turning it into a firm rule or

> association. Wise words indeed.

>

> A general and global avoidance of responsibility is of course a

> serious flaw and perhaps of great interest to forensic psychologists,

> but I do not believe this thread was ever intended to discuss those.

> Of course Alpana alone could corroborate for we all just go by our

> interpretations and not always can everyone be right.

>

> RR

>

> , RAMA SUBRAMANIAN

> <srs81520@> wrote:

> >

> > It is necessary to make a clear distinction between phobia and

> paranoia. While former is an ailment, the latter is born out of

> delusions.

> > SRS

> >

> > --- On Sat, 14/2/09, Alpana Agarwal <alpsice@> wrote:

> > Alpana Agarwal <alpsice@>

> > Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

> >

> > Saturday, 14 February, 2009, 10:19 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> >

> >

> > I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

> >

> > horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western astrology

> it

> >

> > is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> >

> > responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or is

> it

> >

> > certain yogas?

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Alpana

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

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Alpana,

And studying this astrologically has a practical benefit. By early

identification and 'awareness', many heartaches and needless and

costly divorces can be avoided perhaps, not to mention affected

families, children and the vicious cycle repeating for as they say,

abusers were often abused in the first place. Commitment-*phobes*

probably had negative experiences and 'unsure' upbringing.

 

Now some may counter-argue with the difficult to prove hypothesis

that everything is destined and so on and free will and early

identification or prior warning are of no use. For them the case is

closed and if such is the case then astrology has no value for jab

jab jo jo hona hai tab tab so to hoyega he!

 

We might as well go find some ancient rock and hide under it in that

case!

 

However, if the converse is true, even in some cases or to some

extent in most cases (which is my belief) then there is a good

purpose in pursuing this question that you raised.

 

The astrological framework must be consistent with and mirror the

human life-experience, otherwise it becomes haphazard and less than

useful. So in some of the cases of these phobes, the dwadashamsha,

saptavimshamsha, navamsha, drekkana and rashi must hold some clues,

for starters.

 

RR

 

, " Alpana Agarwal "

<alpsice wrote:

>

> Dear Inderji and SRSji,

>

> RRji's interpretation is the one I meant. Commitment phobia is not a

> phobia in the literal sense of the word. It was a term coined to

> describe a behaviour that is observed in some people's attitudes

> towards (specifically) romantic relationships. Here are some of the

> characteristics of so-called commitment phobic people from a

website:

>

> 1. Commitment phobic people are tortured souls full of FEAR. They

are

> in a constant state of emotional conflict because of their negative

> irrational beliefs about love, commitment and relationships. In

> relationships they create great confusion, havoc, pain, and anguish

as

> their behaviours are often insensitive, unpredictable and bizarre.

>

> 2. They usually have a history of short relationships and they may

> never have been married - there is often an excuse that they haven't

> met the right woman, or they justify their history by saying they

> still have plenty of time to settle down as they can have children

at

> any age. A favourite line is " someday " .

>

> 3. If they have been married it is likely to have been for a short

> time, or, if they have been in a long term relationship or marriage,

> they will usually have a history of infidelity

>

> 4. They want a relationship but they also want freedom and space so

> they are often attracted to long distance relationships and busy

> independent women.

>

> 5. They often choose men/women who are not the type of partner they

> are looking for, for example they may be much older, much younger,

> married, or they may have different interests. They use these

> differences as excuses to end relationships.

>

> 6. A commitment phobic won't allow the relationship to grow and

they

> have no intentions of ever doing so.

>

> This article was written with men in mind, bcoz more men than women

> are supposed to be scared of commitment. But women too can show this

> kind of behaviour. The cause could me anything from needing a lot of

> space, being scared of relationships because of past hurts and

> disappointments, or because of fear of failure or making a wrong

> decision and being stuck with it for life. But the end result is

> making a commitment becomes very difficult for such a person.

>

> This is seen more in western cultures, or where dating is more

common.

> But I have a gut feeling that a lot of people who get married late

> might be having similar issues which get disguised as looking for

the

> perfect partner etc.

>

>

>

>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > SRS ji,

> >

> > As briefly touched in an earlier message in this thread, let us

move

> > away from the literal term phobia as used in mental health

context.

> > The original question in this thread with examples etc given by

> > Alpana very clearly indicates that it was about " reluctance

towards

> > making a committment " or loosely 'fear of making a committment'.

I

> > think that is where phobia entered and became a nail in this

cyber-

> > wall over which we are all hanging our thinking caps.

> >

> > I do not believe it is a simple enough concept to pin it to a

planet

> > or a rashi or varga or yoga or even houses. The same person who

may

> > have difficulty in committing to a relationship can be highly

> > committed to a project or own work or tuesday evening bhajan

mandali

> > and temple services etc.

> >

> > Many inventors for instance have been associated with uranus for

> > instance and while they may forget to bring chocolates to their

girl

> > friends, they rarely forget to water the genetic chimera they are

> > working on (the mango tree that walks!).

> >

> > Some astrologers and jyotishis give this impression that some

> > correlations between astro factors and a trait or event are

absolute

> > but after careful examination and repeated testing the magical

> > correlation seems to weaken if not vanish. I was reading PVR's

thread

> > recently in which he reminds all astrologers to test something in

> > dozens and not just a few chart before turning it into a firm

rule or

> > association. Wise words indeed.

> >

> > A general and global avoidance of responsibility is of course a

> > serious flaw and perhaps of great interest to forensic

psychologists,

> > but I do not believe this thread was ever intended to discuss

those.

> > Of course Alpana alone could corroborate for we all just go by

our

> > interpretations and not always can everyone be right.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , RAMA SUBRAMANIAN

> > <srs81520@> wrote:

> > >

> > > It is necessary to make a clear distinction between phobia and

> > paranoia. While former is an ailment, the latter is born out of

> > delusions.

> > > SRS

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 14/2/09, Alpana Agarwal <alpsice@> wrote:

> > > Alpana Agarwal <alpsice@>

> > > Commitment phobia: astrological factors?

> > >

> > > Saturday, 14 February, 2009, 10:19 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

> > >

> > > horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western

astrology

> > it

> > >

> > > is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> > >

> > > responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish? Or

is

> > it

> > >

> > > certain yogas?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Alpana

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Rohiniji,

No, I am not able to actively participate in the forum due to heavy

work load at my work place. So many projects and commitments. But I

save time to visit site atleast once a weak to keep be close to

astrology.

Good wishes.

Inder

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Namaskar Inder ji,

>

> Nice to see you posting actively :-)

>

> The problem with discussing astrological factors on forums with

mixed

> traffic like this is that beginners would tend to run with what is

> discussed or begin to criticise, hence I generally tend to avoid

> such. Phobias are more likely when moon is weak and afflicted by

> lunar nodes for instance. As always a full analysis should be

carried

> out before calling in the psychiatrist :-)

>

> The fact of the matter is that most ordinary people like us who

> gather here have afflictions but not all of those manifest just as

> recessive genes do not express. But I am sure a knowledgeable and

> experienced astrologer knows all that and has seen it many times.

> This caveat was sounded just in case someone with moon cnj rahu get

> all anxious etc.

>

> RR

>

> , " Inder " <indervohra2001@>

> wrote:

> >

> > hello RRji,

> > How are you?

> > You are right that affliction and weakness of Moon can give

> > neurotic problems like phobia or mania etc but placement with

> > reference to house cusp position has also to be seen.

> > Dear Alpana,

> > You have not explained what is commitment phobia.

> > Like you performing and feeling that you are not able to fulfil

> your

> > promises.

> > or You are always worried that you will fall into commitment if

you

> > perform or have a relationship etc.

> >

> > In my view [as we see in KP astrology] linkages of lagna/5th etc

to

> > 8th house may be such condition in love life.

> > or linkage of 10th with 8th may make you workoholic worried

always

> > of commitments. Otherwise linkage of 10th with 8th is very

> > beneficial as hard work and misery leads to the advancement of

> > career [as 8th is 11th to 10th]

> > Inder

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Alpana,

> > >

> > > Since phobias can only live in the mind -- or moon, it must be

> > > afflicted and moon is traditionally considered afflicted when

low

> > in

> > > pakshabala, eclipsed or debilitated (I would judge that last

one

> > > cautiously!), you have the story in a nutshell there, if not

> > > comprehensively!

> > >

> > > Moon has often been likened as water that rests in a vessel.

The

> > shape

> > > and properties of the vessel determine what shape and form the

> > water

> > > shall assume! Think of water in an ice-cooled vessel -- or

water

> > in a

> > > heated tea-pot or water in a chemistry text book -- merely a

> > concept

> > > but a real one!

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Alpana Agarwal "

> > <alpsice@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I recently read a post and it got me thinking about what in a

> > > > horoscope could indicate commit phobia? I know in western

> > astrology it

> > > > is the planet Uranus and Aquarius influences that are held

> > > > responsible? Does Ketu take the place of Uranus for jyotish?

Or

> > is it

> > > > certain yogas?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Alpana

> > > >

> > >

> >

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