Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 My Dear friends, This message is for all the learned astrologers as well as other members of the group. Astrology is the profession even more honest than that of doctors. Doctors take fee on seeing the patinet. And astrologer sustain their livlihood when the client has faith upon them based on solid experience in practical life. By the way why confuse Samhita with Phalit Jyotisha ? Kala Sarpa Yoga is mentioned in Brihat Samhita a good treaty on Mundane Astrology. Is not it surpriseing that all the good jyotish from Rishi Parasara, Varha Mihira, Bhrigu, Kasyapa, Narada, Rishi Varaha, Satyacharya, Ventakesha Daivgjnya,Ganesh Daivjnya, Raja Kalyan Verma....all of them suffered from surpriseing amnesia ....to mention your very... frightening Kal Sarpa Yoga. Oh God ! When the time of sincere and honest astrology practice would becon in Indian soil ! When the people would be free from the Sunsign Astrologers, the villaionous but strangely non-existent Kal Sarpa Yoga and Sade Sati etc... Please anybody can enlighten me by showing me a single classical astrological source of Sade Sati or Kala Sarpa Yoga to provide justification for the people to believe in them. If not possible them please treat Rahu/Ketu and Saturn independently. Good analysis will lead you to the truth. There is no necessicity for such step-in tools. With regards and best wishes to all Mrutyunjay Tripathy 09811971190 (Consultancy out of group is not free) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Shree Mrutyunjayji, As ever rightly said.Concepts like Kal Sarpa Yoga never finds place in classics, which I am telling from time to time. Not only I, many has been telling this---KSY is for Mundane Astrology predictions, not for natal horoscopy!! The " Kalsarpa Yogis " know how to save them when they find the native has never faced any trouble in life, so they also devised a new yoga, called " Kal Amrita Yoga " . Then comes the question of SadeSati. I agree, Sadesati is bad sometimes, but their are exceptions. When Saturn is in good position in Rashi, benefic dasas, strong SAV, even Sade Sati will be promising... As the Nadi Dictum goes...nothing happens with the blessing of Jupiter & Saturn--one benefic & one malefic causes the good or evil. Still, we cant help those " quacks " as they are as hard as mountains, who will remain strong, fixed & " unbreakable " for ages...unless there is some earthquaks(i.e. Natural intervention to their stern belief!!). Thank you, . http://gauravastro.150m.com , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy " <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote: > > > My Dear friends, > > This message is for all the learned astrologers as well as other > members of the group. > > Astrology is the profession even more honest than that of doctors. > > Doctors take fee on seeing the patinet. And astrologer sustain their > livlihood when the client has faith upon them based on solid > experience in practical life. > > By the way why confuse Samhita with Phalit Jyotisha ? > > Kala Sarpa Yoga is mentioned in Brihat Samhita a good treaty on > Mundane Astrology. > > Is not it surpriseing that all the good jyotish from Rishi Parasara, > Varha Mihira, Bhrigu, Kasyapa, Narada, Rishi Varaha, Satyacharya, > Ventakesha Daivgjnya,Ganesh Daivjnya, Raja Kalyan Verma....all of > them suffered from surpriseing amnesia ....to mention your very... > frightening Kal Sarpa Yoga. > > Oh God ! When the time of sincere and honest astrology practice would > becon in Indian soil ! When the people would be free from the Sunsign > Astrologers, the villaionous but strangely non-existent Kal Sarpa > Yoga and Sade Sati etc... > > Please anybody can enlighten me by showing me a single classical > astrological source of Sade Sati or Kala Sarpa Yoga to provide > justification for the people to believe in them. > > If not possible them please treat Rahu/Ketu and Saturn independently. > Good analysis will lead you to the truth. There is no necessicity for > such step-in tools. > > > > With regards and best wishes to all > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > 09811971190 > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Dear Gaurav and anyone else following this thread even as mars, rahu, jupiter and ... mercury are uniting in the 10th house of Kalpurusha and moon hurrying to join the " party " ! This debate has been going on since I was a child and that was many years ago! And extends to other factors such as combustion and retrogression and even gandanta -- all of which are described in classics and I bet there are many other topics as well. Why does this happen? Or should I use the more appropriate term, " OCCUR! " If it were simple and straightforward like jupiter rules dhanu, mangal rules vrishchika (!) or the rulership of kumbha etc -- then there would not be any doubt or questions, right? ;-)) Hence we get all these opinions and like the noisy religious processions each year these will happen/occur again and again! The surprising thing is that the remedies for something like KSY vary from one jyotishi to another. The question for the beginner jyotishi is: " How does one shoot this moving duck? " Maybe we should all worship Karana (Mahabharata) for inspiration or at least Karna Pishachini or Uchhcishta Ganapati or whatever!! RR , " " <gaurav.ghosh wrote: > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Shree Mrutyunjayji, > As ever rightly said.Concepts like Kal Sarpa Yoga never finds place in > classics, which I am telling from time to time. Not only I, many has > been telling this---KSY is for Mundane Astrology predictions, not for > natal horoscopy!! > The " Kalsarpa Yogis " know how to save them when they find the native > has never faced any trouble in life, so they also devised a new yoga, > called " Kal Amrita Yoga " . > Then comes the question of SadeSati. I agree, Sadesati is bad > sometimes, but their are exceptions. When Saturn is in good position > in Rashi, benefic dasas, strong SAV, even Sade Sati will be promising... > As the Nadi Dictum goes...nothing happens with the blessing of Jupiter > & Saturn--one benefic & one malefic causes the good or evil. > Still, we cant help those " quacks " as they are as hard as mountains, > who will remain strong, fixed & " unbreakable " for ages...unless there > is some earthquaks(i.e. Natural intervention to their stern belief!!). > Thank you, > . > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy " > <astrologer_mrutyunjay@> wrote: > > > > > > My Dear friends, > > > > This message is for all the learned astrologers as well as other > > members of the group. > > > > Astrology is the profession even more honest than that of doctors. > > > > Doctors take fee on seeing the patinet. And astrologer sustain their > > livlihood when the client has faith upon them based on solid > > experience in practical life. > > > > By the way why confuse Samhita with Phalit Jyotisha ? > > > > Kala Sarpa Yoga is mentioned in Brihat Samhita a good treaty on > > Mundane Astrology. > > > > Is not it surpriseing that all the good jyotish from Rishi Parasara, > > Varha Mihira, Bhrigu, Kasyapa, Narada, Rishi Varaha, Satyacharya, > > Ventakesha Daivgjnya,Ganesh Daivjnya, Raja Kalyan Verma....all of > > them suffered from surpriseing amnesia ....to mention your very... > > frightening Kal Sarpa Yoga. > > > > Oh God ! When the time of sincere and honest astrology practice would > > becon in Indian soil ! When the people would be free from the Sunsign > > Astrologers, the villaionous but strangely non-existent Kal Sarpa > > Yoga and Sade Sati etc... > > > > Please anybody can enlighten me by showing me a single classical > > astrological source of Sade Sati or Kala Sarpa Yoga to provide > > justification for the people to believe in them. > > > > If not possible them please treat Rahu/Ketu and Saturn independently. > > Good analysis will lead you to the truth. There is no necessicity for > > such step-in tools. > > > > > > > > With regards and best wishes to all > > > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > 09811971190 > > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Sir... Such controversies will continue to live, throughout the existence of mankind...as once the civilisation, there will be no one to consult an astrologer & give rise to such controversies... Yes, the so called remedies do change from people to people, like the Tagline of HSBC...(Yes. Same with doctors---only for issue, say for cough & cold, the medicine will vary with different composition, companies etc, which somewhat depends upon the acceptability by the patient's physical composition, likewise, doctor will not advise same medicine for all people suffering from blood pressure) " Different People, Different Views---HSBC world's local bank " !! If there is no change in offering remedies, thn think of those astrologers, who offer no remedy like havans,yantrams, 9 rings in 8 finger, & ask only to pray to God.There are very living through astrology will become challenged. Probably, we tend to be showy in everything--5th house matters(worship???) & also 10th house matters(karmo??or profession??), so if I advise someone to pray to God for well-being, he will rather ask which gem to wear instead, else will leave for eternity..such is the condition.... The querist, who comes to astrologer, challenged by financial issues, poor career progress, problem with children--is half dead(as I am aware, there are 8 types of death, mental death being one of them!!). Now if he possess that so-called ominous, frightful & threatening " Kaal Sarpa Yoga " (or which becomes " Dosh " down South), then his physical death is also possible. Will the doctor tell a cancer stricken patient, point blank & outright..that You are a cancer patient, may be in 10 minutes you will die??Or the doctor will empathize with the patient's current situation & try to ward off the disease(which is next to impossible) or try anything to relieve him? Unfortunately, today Astrology has become 20% analysis & predictions, & rest being only remedies(Upayas). Unless we find the disease, how can we proceed towards advising remedies--which also depends whether the remedy will suit the person or not??Whether this person will be able to do it religiously or not??Whether this will ultimately give results or not??Finally the question of proper timing of particular mantras, faith in them, & right pronunciation. Some popular examples which the " Kaal Sarpa Yogis " advise as remedies for relief from kaal sarpa yog. 1)Offer Puja at Kalahasti Temple. 2)Perform Tripinda Bali & Narayan Nag Bali at Tryambakeshwar Temple 3)Wear Kalsarpa Yantram 4)Wear a Silver snake or donate the same 5)Do Naag Puja & the list continues....... To end off, I would like to quote my favourite astro-author(yes, I appreciate his writing,but his writing only..nothing more than that ). " Astronomically there are always periods when planets get hemmed between Rahu and Ketu fully and it can last for fifteen days fully and for another days have full or half KSY. Have all these people killed snakes in their past lives and God has decided to give them birth all over the world only in this period. See for example the planetary position between 1 January 1962 to 5 February 1962 and you will see that this terrible combination lasting for fifteen days. Were all those who killed snakes in their previous lives were born during this period according to a divine preordained plan ?........ " Astrologers do nothing to earn social respect as helpful guides, reliable and honest.They have earned notoriety everywhere in India for prescribing remedial measures instead of proper guidance. It in turn earns for astrologers bad reputation, and of being exploited trading in human misery and greed. They themselves get portrayed as evil persons making money and living prosperously earning fabulously at the cost of their suffering clients. " However, I will extend too much on a small topic...I hope the " Kal Sarpa Yogis " will be able to give me some humble inputs, on what is the origin, which is a big question... Gaurav. , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Dear Gaurav and anyone else following this thread even as mars, rahu, > jupiter and ... mercury are uniting in the 10th house of Kalpurusha > and moon hurrying to join the " party " ! > > This debate has been going on since I was a child and that was many > years ago! And extends to other factors such as combustion and > retrogression and even gandanta -- all of which are described in > classics and I bet there are many other topics as well. > > Why does this happen? Or should I use the more appropriate > term, " OCCUR! " > > If it were simple and straightforward like jupiter rules dhanu, > mangal rules vrishchika (!) or the rulership of kumbha etc -- then > there would not be any doubt or questions, right? ;-)) > > Hence we get all these opinions and like the noisy religious > processions each year these will happen/occur again and again! > > The surprising thing is that the remedies for something like KSY vary > from one jyotishi to another. The question for the beginner jyotishi > is: " How does one shoot this moving duck? " > > Maybe we should all worship Karana (Mahabharata) for inspiration or > at least Karna Pishachini or Uchhcishta Ganapati or whatever!! > > RR > > , " " > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Shree Mrutyunjayji, > > As ever rightly said.Concepts like Kal Sarpa Yoga never finds place > in > > classics, which I am telling from time to time. Not only I, many has > > been telling this---KSY is for Mundane Astrology predictions, not > for > > natal horoscopy!! > > The " Kalsarpa Yogis " know how to save them when they find the native > > has never faced any trouble in life, so they also devised a new > yoga, > > called " Kal Amrita Yoga " . > > Then comes the question of SadeSati. I agree, Sadesati is bad > > sometimes, but their are exceptions. When Saturn is in good position > > in Rashi, benefic dasas, strong SAV, even Sade Sati will be > promising... > > As the Nadi Dictum goes...nothing happens with the blessing of > Jupiter > > & Saturn--one benefic & one malefic causes the good or evil. > > Still, we cant help those " quacks " as they are as hard as mountains, > > who will remain strong, fixed & " unbreakable " for ages...unless > there > > is some earthquaks(i.e. Natural intervention to their stern > belief!!). > > Thank you, > > . > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy " > > <astrologer_mrutyunjay@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > My Dear friends, > > > > > > This message is for all the learned astrologers as well as other > > > members of the group. > > > > > > Astrology is the profession even more honest than that of doctors. > > > > > > Doctors take fee on seeing the patinet. And astrologer sustain > their > > > livlihood when the client has faith upon them based on solid > > > experience in practical life. > > > > > > By the way why confuse Samhita with Phalit Jyotisha ? > > > > > > Kala Sarpa Yoga is mentioned in Brihat Samhita a good treaty on > > > Mundane Astrology. > > > > > > Is not it surpriseing that all the good jyotish from Rishi > Parasara, > > > Varha Mihira, Bhrigu, Kasyapa, Narada, Rishi Varaha, Satyacharya, > > > Ventakesha Daivgjnya,Ganesh Daivjnya, Raja Kalyan Verma....all of > > > them suffered from surpriseing amnesia ....to mention your > very... > > > frightening Kal Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > Oh God ! When the time of sincere and honest astrology practice > would > > > becon in Indian soil ! When the people would be free from the > Sunsign > > > Astrologers, the villaionous but strangely non-existent Kal Sarpa > > > Yoga and Sade Sati etc... > > > > > > Please anybody can enlighten me by showing me a single classical > > > astrological source of Sade Sati or Kala Sarpa Yoga to provide > > > justification for the people to believe in them. > > > > > > If not possible them please treat Rahu/Ketu and Saturn > independently. > > > Good analysis will lead you to the truth. There is no necessicity > for > > > such step-in tools. > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards and best wishes to all > > > > > > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > 09811971190 > > > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Gaurav! Why only fifteen days? You didn't say it but a big hint you gave! And rightly!! KSY is not a menace automatically, nor a nemesis and it pays to pay attention to what tropicalists call 'progression'. Life begins with birth (in a manner of speaking, although it began long before that!) but what follows astronomically in the days after birth sometimes holds important answers! I would like to leave this post right here for my fingers are tired of typing the same thing over and over again! RR , " " <gaurav.ghosh wrote: > > Sir... > Such controversies will continue to live, throughout the existence of > mankind...as once the civilisation, there will be no one to consult an > astrologer & give rise to such controversies... > Yes, the so called remedies do change from people to people, like the > Tagline of HSBC...(Yes. Same with doctors---only for issue, say for > cough & cold, the medicine will vary with different composition, > companies etc, which somewhat depends upon the acceptability by the > patient's physical composition, likewise, doctor will not advise same > medicine for all people suffering from blood pressure) > " Different People, Different Views---HSBC world's local bank " !! > If there is no change in offering remedies, thn think of those > astrologers, who offer no remedy like havans,yantrams, 9 rings in 8 > finger, & ask only to pray to God.There are very living through > astrology will become challenged. > Probably, we tend to be showy in everything--5th house > matters(worship???) & also 10th house matters(karmo??or profession??), > so if I advise someone to pray to God for well-being, he will rather > ask which gem to wear instead, else will leave for eternity..such is > the condition.... > The querist, who comes to astrologer, challenged by financial issues, > poor career progress, problem with children--is half dead(as I am > aware, there are 8 types of death, mental death being one of them!!). > Now if he possess that so-called ominous, frightful & threatening > " Kaal Sarpa Yoga " (or which becomes " Dosh " down South), then his > physical death is also possible. Will the doctor tell a cancer > stricken patient, point blank & outright..that You are a cancer > patient, may be in 10 minutes you will die??Or the doctor will > empathize with the patient's current situation & try to ward off the > disease(which is next to impossible) or try anything to relieve him? > Unfortunately, today Astrology has become 20% analysis & predictions, > & rest being only remedies(Upayas). Unless we find the disease, how > can we proceed towards advising remedies--which also depends whether > the remedy will suit the person or not??Whether this person will be > able to do it religiously or not??Whether this will ultimately give > results or not??Finally the question of proper timing of particular > mantras, faith in them, & right pronunciation. > Some popular examples which the " Kaal Sarpa Yogis " advise as remedies > for relief from kaal sarpa yog. > 1)Offer Puja at Kalahasti Temple. > 2)Perform Tripinda Bali & Narayan Nag Bali at Tryambakeshwar Temple > 3)Wear Kalsarpa Yantram > 4)Wear a Silver snake or donate the same > 5)Do Naag Puja > & the list continues....... > To end off, I would like to quote my favourite astro-author(yes, I > appreciate his writing,but his writing only..nothing more than that ). > " Astronomically there are always periods when planets get hemmed > between Rahu and Ketu fully and it can last for fifteen days fully and > for another days have full or half KSY. > > Have all these people killed snakes in their past lives and God has > decided to give them birth all over the world only in this period. See > for example the planetary position between 1 January 1962 to 5 > February 1962 and you will see that this terrible combination lasting > for fifteen days. Were all those who killed snakes in their previous > lives were born during this period according to a divine preordained > plan ?........ > > " Astrologers do nothing to earn social respect as helpful guides, > reliable and honest.They have earned notoriety everywhere in India for > prescribing remedial measures instead of proper guidance. It in turn > earns for astrologers bad reputation, and of being exploited trading > in human misery and greed. They themselves get portrayed as evil > persons making money and living prosperously earning fabulously at the > cost of their suffering clients. " > > However, I will extend too much on a small topic...I hope the " Kal > Sarpa Yogis " will be able to give me some humble inputs, on what is > the origin, which is a big question... > Gaurav. > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gaurav and anyone else following this thread even as mars, rahu, > > jupiter and ... mercury are uniting in the 10th house of Kalpurusha > > and moon hurrying to join the " party " ! > > > > This debate has been going on since I was a child and that was many > > years ago! And extends to other factors such as combustion and > > retrogression and even gandanta -- all of which are described in > > classics and I bet there are many other topics as well. > > > > Why does this happen? Or should I use the more appropriate > > term, " OCCUR! " > > > > If it were simple and straightforward like jupiter rules dhanu, > > mangal rules vrishchika (!) or the rulership of kumbha etc -- then > > there would not be any doubt or questions, right? ;-)) > > > > Hence we get all these opinions and like the noisy religious > > processions each year these will happen/occur again and again! > > > > The surprising thing is that the remedies for something like KSY vary > > from one jyotishi to another. The question for the beginner jyotishi > > is: " How does one shoot this moving duck? " > > > > Maybe we should all worship Karana (Mahabharata) for inspiration or > > at least Karna Pishachini or Uchhcishta Ganapati or whatever!! > > > > RR > > > > , " " > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Shree Mrutyunjayji, > > > As ever rightly said.Concepts like Kal Sarpa Yoga never finds place > > in > > > classics, which I am telling from time to time. Not only I, many has > > > been telling this---KSY is for Mundane Astrology predictions, not > > for > > > natal horoscopy!! > > > The " Kalsarpa Yogis " know how to save them when they find the native > > > has never faced any trouble in life, so they also devised a new > > yoga, > > > called " Kal Amrita Yoga " . > > > Then comes the question of SadeSati. I agree, Sadesati is bad > > > sometimes, but their are exceptions. When Saturn is in good position > > > in Rashi, benefic dasas, strong SAV, even Sade Sati will be > > promising... > > > As the Nadi Dictum goes...nothing happens with the blessing of > > Jupiter > > > & Saturn--one benefic & one malefic causes the good or evil. > > > Still, we cant help those " quacks " as they are as hard as mountains, > > > who will remain strong, fixed & " unbreakable " for ages...unless > > there > > > is some earthquaks(i.e. Natural intervention to their stern > > belief!!). > > > Thank you, > > > . > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > > > > , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy " > > > <astrologer_mrutyunjay@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > My Dear friends, > > > > > > > > This message is for all the learned astrologers as well as other > > > > members of the group. > > > > > > > > Astrology is the profession even more honest than that of doctors. > > > > > > > > Doctors take fee on seeing the patinet. And astrologer sustain > > their > > > > livlihood when the client has faith upon them based on solid > > > > experience in practical life. > > > > > > > > By the way why confuse Samhita with Phalit Jyotisha ? > > > > > > > > Kala Sarpa Yoga is mentioned in Brihat Samhita a good treaty on > > > > Mundane Astrology. > > > > > > > > Is not it surpriseing that all the good jyotish from Rishi > > Parasara, > > > > Varha Mihira, Bhrigu, Kasyapa, Narada, Rishi Varaha, Satyacharya, > > > > Ventakesha Daivgjnya,Ganesh Daivjnya, Raja Kalyan Verma....all of > > > > them suffered from surpriseing amnesia ....to mention your > > very... > > > > frightening Kal Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > Oh God ! When the time of sincere and honest astrology practice > > would > > > > becon in Indian soil ! When the people would be free from the > > Sunsign > > > > Astrologers, the villaionous but strangely non-existent Kal Sarpa > > > > Yoga and Sade Sati etc... > > > > > > > > Please anybody can enlighten me by showing me a single classical > > > > astrological source of Sade Sati or Kala Sarpa Yoga to provide > > > > justification for the people to believe in them. > > > > > > > > If not possible them please treat Rahu/Ketu and Saturn > > independently. > > > > Good analysis will lead you to the truth. There is no necessicity > > for > > > > such step-in tools. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards and best wishes to all > > > > > > > > > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > 09811971190 > > > > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Dear Mr. Ghosh, and many greats in this Group, I am worried about this remedy suggested for anything and everything, to mitigate miseries found in the chart of a client, not in favor related to his question. I have the following questions to be answered on this. Is Hindu (Vedic) Astrology is exclusive for those who are born Hindus only or Universal? Is the beliefs of those non-Hindus, will not believe or follow for 'reliefs' prescribed for Hindus ( with prayers for Hindu Devatas), will not get relieved of these in the advent of Astrological 'prescriptions'?? I read in almost all replies by Astrologers, 'do this prayer and get out of this trouble/sickness'. Can these greats give us a list, or at least one such remedy exercised, had mitigated the registered 'suffering' of the person? (unless it is destined in the chart reading itself, such a thing to happen at certain stage) I think God is referred by all experts, who will just take a letter (prayer) and change the positions of Planets or events, which they find in a chart as per prescribed rules, as if a slip from Doctor presented to a pharmacist to give a tube to be applied for relieving one from stomach ache! Then, why pray to God - take an eraser and erase the 'wrong' Planet and replace the same in a favorable position for mental satisfaction, in a birth chart and feel eternally relieved. Prayer is necessary and it is like a pillar to support for one while he/she could be unstable and about to fall - more for mental strength to face problems. But believing that Prayer or whatever it is, will erase all past Karmas ( which is the foundation of Hindu Astrology), like a local minister influencing the Police to tare off an FIR, accepting bribe. Where are we heading to, in Hindu Astrology? No wonder, lots and lots of wayside astrologers reading four books claim that they are God-sent to relive an ignorant enquirer. Well!! Astrology had survived thousands of years and believed to be older than any living religion. Why fool the innocents? Just tell them the 'truth' arrived at with the vast knowledge of an Astrologer. And leave them to have there own fortitude to face them with mental strength. (I am writing this, disappointed and in dismay, as I am an Astrologer in this field for last 46 years, and I successfully earned a reputation in many parts of world from all believers of various religions, while giving them results of their respective charts. I never suggest remedies.) A.V.Pathi, North Carolina, 27514, USA 001-919-960-3833 .. ________________________________ <gaurav.ghosh Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:06:31 PM Re: Why frighten people in the name of Kal Sarp Yoga Sir... Such controversies will continue to live, throughout the existence of mankind...as once the civilisation, there will be no one to consult an astrologer & give rise to such controversies. .. Yes, the so called remedies do change from people to people, like the Tagline of HSBC...(Yes. Same with doctors---only for issue, say for cough & cold, the medicine will vary with different composition, companies etc, which somewhat depends upon the acceptability by the patient's physical composition, likewise, doctor will not advise same medicine for all people suffering from blood pressure) " Different People, Different Views---HSBC world's local bank " !! If there is no change in offering remedies, thn think of those astrologers, who offer no remedy like havans,yantrams, 9 rings in 8 finger, & ask only to pray to God.There are very living through astrology will become challenged. Probably, we tend to be showy in everything-- 5th house matters(worship? ??) & also 10th house matters(karmo? ?or profession?? ), so if I advise someone to pray to God for well-being, he will rather ask which gem to wear instead, else will leave for eternity..such is the condition... . The querist, who comes to astrologer, challenged by financial issues, poor career progress, problem with children--is half dead(as I am aware, there are 8 types of death, mental death being one of them!!). Now if he possess that so-called ominous, frightful & threatening " Kaal Sarpa Yoga " (or which becomes " Dosh " down South), then his physical death is also possible. Will the doctor tell a cancer stricken patient, point blank & outright..that You are a cancer patient, may be in 10 minutes you will die??Or the doctor will empathize with the patient's current situation & try to ward off the disease(which is next to impossible) or try anything to relieve him? Unfortunately, today Astrology has become 20% analysis & predictions, & rest being only remedies(Upayas) . Unless we find the disease, how can we proceed towards advising remedies--which also depends whether the remedy will suit the person or not??Whether this person will be able to do it religiously or not??Whether this will ultimately give results or not??Finally the question of proper timing of particular mantras, faith in them, & right pronunciation. Some popular examples which the " Kaal Sarpa Yogis " advise as remedies for relief from kaal sarpa yog. 1)Offer Puja at Kalahasti Temple. 2)Perform Tripinda Bali & Narayan Nag Bali at Tryambakeshwar Temple 3)Wear Kalsarpa Yantram 4)Wear a Silver snake or donate the same 5)Do Naag Puja & the list continues... .... To end off, I would like to quote my favourite astro-author( yes, I appreciate his writing,but his writing only..nothing more than that ). " Astronomically there are always periods when planets get hemmed between Rahu and Ketu fully and it can last for fifteen days fully and for another days have full or half KSY. Have all these people killed snakes in their past lives and God has decided to give them birth all over the world only in this period. See for example the planetary position between 1 January 1962 to 5 February 1962 and you will see that this terrible combination lasting for fifteen days. Were all those who killed snakes in their previous lives were born during this period according to a divine preordained plan ?........ " Astrologers do nothing to earn social respect as helpful guides, reliable and honest.They have earned notoriety everywhere in India for prescribing remedial measures instead of proper guidance. It in turn earns for astrologers bad reputation, and of being exploited trading in human misery and greed. They themselves get portrayed as evil persons making money and living prosperously earning fabulously at the cost of their suffering clients. " However, I will extend too much on a small topic...I hope the " Kal Sarpa Yogis " will be able to give me some humble inputs, on what is the origin, which is a big question... Gaurav. , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Gaurav and anyone else following this thread even as mars, rahu, > jupiter and ... mercury are uniting in the 10th house of Kalpurusha > and moon hurrying to join the " party " ! > > This debate has been going on since I was a child and that was many > years ago! And extends to other factors such as combustion and > retrogression and even gandanta -- all of which are described in > classics and I bet there are many other topics as well. > > Why does this happen? Or should I use the more appropriate > term, " OCCUR! " > > If it were simple and straightforward like jupiter rules dhanu, > mangal rules vrishchika (!) or the rulership of kumbha etc -- then > there would not be any doubt or questions, right? ;-)) > > Hence we get all these opinions and like the noisy religious > processions each year these will happen/occur again and again! > > The surprising thing is that the remedies for something like KSY vary > from one jyotishi to another. The question for the beginner jyotishi > is: " How does one shoot this moving duck? " > > Maybe we should all worship Karana (Mahabharata) for inspiration or > at least Karna Pishachini or Uchhcishta Ganapati or whatever!! > > RR > > , " " > <gaurav.ghosh@ > wrote: > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > Dear Shree Mrutyunjayji, > > As ever rightly said.Concepts like Kal Sarpa Yoga never finds place > in > > classics, which I am telling from time to time. Not only I, many has > > been telling this---KSY is for Mundane Astrology predictions, not > for > > natal horoscopy!! > > The " Kalsarpa Yogis " know how to save them when they find the native > > has never faced any trouble in life, so they also devised a new > yoga, > > called " Kal Amrita Yoga " . > > Then comes the question of SadeSati. I agree, Sadesati is bad > > sometimes, but their are exceptions. When Saturn is in good position > > in Rashi, benefic dasas, strong SAV, even Sade Sati will be > promising... > > As the Nadi Dictum goes...nothing happens with the blessing of > Jupiter > > & Saturn--one benefic & one malefic causes the good or evil. > > Still, we cant help those " quacks " as they are as hard as mountains, > > who will remain strong, fixed & " unbreakable " for ages...unless > there > > is some earthquaks(i. e. Natural intervention to their stern > belief!!). > > Thank you, > > . > > http://gauravastro. 150m.com > > > > > > , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy " > > <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > My Dear friends, > > > > > > This message is for all the learned astrologers as well as other > > > members of the group. > > > > > > Astrology is the profession even more honest than that of doctors. > > > > > > Doctors take fee on seeing the patinet. And astrologer sustain > their > > > livlihood when the client has faith upon them based on solid > > > experience in practical life. > > > > > > By the way why confuse Samhita with Phalit Jyotisha ? > > > > > > Kala Sarpa Yoga is mentioned in Brihat Samhita a good treaty on > > > Mundane Astrology. > > > > > > Is not it surpriseing that all the good jyotish from Rishi > Parasara, > > > Varha Mihira, Bhrigu, Kasyapa, Narada, Rishi Varaha, Satyacharya, > > > Ventakesha Daivgjnya,Ganesh Daivjnya, Raja Kalyan Verma....all of > > > them suffered from surpriseing amnesia ....to mention your > very... > > > frightening Kal Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > Oh God ! When the time of sincere and honest astrology practice > would > > > becon in Indian soil ! When the people would be free from the > Sunsign > > > Astrologers, the villaionous but strangely non-existent Kal Sarpa > > > Yoga and Sade Sati etc... > > > > > > Please anybody can enlighten me by showing me a single classical > > > astrological source of Sade Sati or Kala Sarpa Yoga to provide > > > justification for the people to believe in them. > > > > > > If not possible them please treat Rahu/Ketu and Saturn > independently. > > > Good analysis will lead you to the truth. There is no necessicity > for > > > such step-in tools. > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards and best wishes to all > > > > > > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > 09811971190 > > > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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