Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

[Guest guest]

, " Calla, Raman " <rcalla wrote:

>

Hi sanjay

it seems you are running a meat shop and yr message seems like an advertisement

as this is just a group of astrologer and not vegetarianism or non

vegetarianism. But just consider following facts

 

1. meat eating animals or persons are more aggressive and cruel than the

vegetarians and thus all aggression and terrorism you see all around is due to

meat eaters and not vegetarians

 

2. chances of complication of disease from meat are much more compare to the

vegetarian food

 

3. more poisionous chemicals are stored in meat compare to vegetarian food.

 

4. so many beutiful species are lost forever because of these meat eaters

 

5. farming eggs that you eat is just like taking out milk from a cow through an

injection.

 

6. all the other species start considering humans as their enemy otherwise you

can see lion as pet in some of buddhist monestry

 

think over it

regards

sunil sharma

astrologer

delhi

9810034890

Hi Sanjay.

>

> Remember that Hinduism is the truth.

>

> Regards!

>

> RC

>

>

> sanjaytechnology [sanjaytechnology]

> Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:27 PM

>

> Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

>

>

> All:

>

> Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> here...hopefully....

>

> Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> bear with me and go through this posting.

>

> I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> life energy.

>

> What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> meat to produce meat in our bodies.

>

> There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

>

> Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> food, there will be no odors.

>

> Remember meat is created from food.

>

> Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> pure.

>

> The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> will be very good for spiritual growth.

>

> I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> salads :-).

>

> Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

>

>

> ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Raman Callaji,

 

Sanjay *was* promoting vegetarianism, I think ;-)

Please read his message again.

 

RR

 

 

, " arian0404 " <arian0404 wrote:

>

> , " Calla, Raman " <rcalla@> wrote:

> >

> Hi sanjay

> it seems you are running a meat shop and yr message seems like an

advertisement as this is just a group of astrologer and not vegetarianism or non

vegetarianism. But just consider following facts

>

> 1. meat eating animals or persons are more aggressive and cruel than the

vegetarians and thus all aggression and terrorism you see all around is due to

meat eaters and not vegetarians

>

> 2. chances of complication of disease from meat are much more compare to the

vegetarian food

>

> 3. more poisionous chemicals are stored in meat compare to vegetarian food.

>

> 4. so many beutiful species are lost forever because of these meat eaters

>

> 5. farming eggs that you eat is just like taking out milk from a cow through

an injection.

>

> 6. all the other species start considering humans as their enemy otherwise you

can see lion as pet in some of buddhist monestry

>

> think over it

> regards

> sunil sharma

> astrologer

> delhi

> 9810034890

> Hi Sanjay.

> >

> > Remember that Hinduism is the truth.

> >

> > Regards!

> >

> > RC

> >

> >

> > sanjaytechnology [sanjaytechnology@]

> > Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:27 PM

> >

> > Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

> >

> >

> > All:

> >

> > Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> > here...hopefully....

> >

> > Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> > food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> > humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> > bear with me and go through this posting.

> >

> > I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> > am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> > extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> > a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> > on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> > plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> > you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> > life energy.

> >

> > What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> > those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> > they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> > we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> > meat to produce meat in our bodies.

> >

> > There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> > are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> > food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> > highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> > becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> > into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> > the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> > flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

> >

> > Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> > evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> > bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> > long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> > stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> > food, there will be no odors.

> >

> > Remember meat is created from food.

> >

> > Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> > seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> > Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> > this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> > pure.

> >

> > The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> > will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> > digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> > will be very good for spiritual growth.

> >

> > I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> > and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> > so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> > salads :-).

> >

> > Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

> >

> > --Sanjay Aggarwal

> >

> >

> >

> > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Dada

From remedies what emerges is vegetarian thoughts as under:

To be a satwic is to initiate oneself into jyotish

Vegetarian can find ways to reduce rajo and tamo guna to progress in jyotish

vidya

jyotish remedies can attempt to promote vegetarians to propogate vedic vidya

jyotish vida as vedic vidya is learnt instantaneously by vegetarians all over

Can v be share holder of veggie thoughts

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Mon, 3/16/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Monday, March 16, 2009, 6:35 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Raman Callaji,

 

Sanjay *was* promoting vegetarianism, I think ;-)

Please read his message again.

 

RR

 

, " arian0404 " <arian0404@. ..> wrote:

>

> , " Calla, Raman " <rcalla@> wrote:

> >

> Hi sanjay

> it seems you are running a meat shop and yr message seems like an

advertisement as this is just a group of astrologer and not vegetarianism or non

vegetarianism. But just consider following facts

>

> 1. meat eating animals or persons are more aggressive and cruel than the

vegetarians and thus all aggression and terrorism you see all around is due to

meat eaters and not vegetarians

>

> 2. chances of complication of disease from meat are much more compare to the

vegetarian food

>

> 3. more poisionous chemicals are stored in meat compare to vegetarian food.

>

> 4. so many beutiful species are lost forever because of these meat eaters

>

> 5. farming eggs that you eat is just like taking out milk from a cow through

an injection.

>

> 6. all the other species start considering humans as their enemy otherwise you

can see lion as pet in some of buddhist monestry

>

> think over it

> regards

> sunil sharma

> astrologer

> delhi

> 9810034890

> Hi Sanjay.

> >

> > Remember that Hinduism is the truth.

> >

> > Regards!

> >

> > RC

> >

> >

> > sanjaytechnology [sanjaytechn ology@]

> > Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:27 PM

> >

> > Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

> >

> >

> > All:

> >

> > Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> > here...hopefully. ...

> >

> > Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> > food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> > humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> > bear with me and go through this posting.

> >

> > I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> > am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> > extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> > a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> > on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> > plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> > you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> > life energy.

> >

> > What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> > those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> > they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> > we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> > meat to produce meat in our bodies.

> >

> > There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> > are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> > food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> > highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> > becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> > into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> > the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> > flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

> >

> > Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> > evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> > bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> > long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> > stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> > food, there will be no odors.

> >

> > Remember meat is created from food.

> >

> > Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> > seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> > Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> > this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> > pure.

> >

> > The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> > will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> > digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> > will be very good for spiritual growth.

> >

> > I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> > and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> > so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> > salads :-).

> >

> > Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

> >

> > --Sanjay Aggarwal

> >

> >

> >

> > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjaytechnology

 

Being a vegetarian or non-vegetarian remains a matter of ones choice. I believe

being vegetarian is a better way to a healthy living. Maamsam maamsena

vriddhathe meaning meat only increases the meaty things in us. it increases the

tamasic tatwa in us. for spiritual evolution one has to be satvic. Any say about

that? The scriptures unambiguously support the meatless way of life. Here are

what they have to say-

 

In the Mahabharata, for instance, (read Anu.114.11) the great warrior Bhishma

explains to Yudhishtira, eldest of the Pandava princes, that the meat of animals

is like the flesh of one's own son, and that the foolish person who eats meat

must be considered the vilest of human beings.

 

Similarly, the Manusmriti declares that one should 'refrain from eating all

kinds of meat,' for such eating involves killing and leads to karmic bondage

(bandha).

 

Elsewhere in the Vedic literature, the last of the great Vedic kings, Maharajah

Parikshit, is quoted as saying that 'only the animal-killer cannot relish the

message of the Absolute Truth [shrimad Bhagavatam 10.1.4].

 

The Hindu scriptures also speak clearly and forcefully on non killing and

vegetarianism.

 

In the ancient Rig Veda, we read: " O vegetable, be succulent, wholesome,

strengthening; and thus, body, be fully grown. "

 

The Yajur Veda summarily dictates: " Do not injure the beings living on the

earth, in the air and in the water.

 

The Manu Samhita advises: " Having well considered the origin of flesh and the

cruelty of fettering and slaying of corporeal beings, let one entirely abstain

from eating flesh. "

 

The roots of non injury non killing and nonconsumption of meat are found in the

Vedas, agamas, Upanishads, Dharma Shastras, Tirumurai, Yoga Sutras and dozens of

other sacred texts of Hinduism. Here is a select collection.

 

Vedas and agamas, Hinduism's Revealed Scriptures

 

The Rig Veda Samhita 10.191 says-

LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be of

one mind, so you may live well together.

 

Rig Veda Samhita 10.37.11. VE, 319

Protect both our species, two-legged and four-legged. Both food and water for

their needs supply. May they with us increase in stature and strength. Save us

from hurt all our days, O Powers!

 

Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90

One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal, and

deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does not

desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 10. 191. 4 says-

Peaceful be the earth, peaceful the ether, peaceful heaven, peaceful the waters,

peaceful the herbs, peaceful the trees. May all Gods bring me peace. May there

be peace through these invocations of peace. With these invocations of peace

which appease everything, I render peaceful whatever here is terrible, whatever

here is cruel, whatever here is sinful. Let it become auspicious, let everything

be beneficial to us.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 19.48.5. FS, 90

Those noble souls who practice meditation and other yogic ways, who are ever

careful about all beings, who protect all animals, are the ones who are actually

serious about spiritual practices.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 6.120.1. VE, 636

If we have injured space, the earth or heaven, or if we have offended mother or

father, from that may Agni, fire of the house, absolve us and guide us safely to

the world of goodness.

 

The Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90 says-

You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, whether they

are human, animal or whatever.

 

Yajur Veda 36.18.

May all beings look at me with a friendly eye. May I do likewise, and may we all

look on each other with the eyes of a friend.

 

Krishna Yajur Veda, Prana Upanishad 46-8. VE, 413-14 says

Nonviolence is all the offerings. Renunciation is the priestly honorarium. The

final purification is death. Thus all the Divinities are established in this

body.

 

Shukla Yajur Veda Samhita 36.17-18. VE, 306; 342 says-

To the heavens be peace, to the sky and the earth; to the waters be peace, to

plants and all trees; to the Gods be peace, to Brahman be peace, to all men be

peace, again and again-peace also to me! O earthen vessel, strengthen me. May

all beings regard me with friendly eyes! May I look upon all creatures with

friendly eyes! With a friend's eye may we regard each other!

 

all without any malice towards all the meat lovers

 

rao nr

 

, " sanjaytechnology "

<sanjaytechnology wrote:

>

> All:

>

> Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> here...hopefully....

>

> Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> bear with me and go through this posting.

>

> I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> life energy.

>

> What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> meat to produce meat in our bodies.

>

> There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

>

> Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> food, there will be no odors.

>

> Remember meat is created from food.

>

> Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> pure.

>

> The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> will be very good for spiritual growth.

>

> I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> salads :-).

>

> Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Friend

 

My views are like this.

 

Hinduism though considers Vegetarianisam as the highest thing, it dose not make

it compulsary for all except Brahmins. The speciality is the religion dose not

forces anything on every one.

 

It made it compulsary for Brahmins only ( they are exempted whe they take a

pepper size from yagna sacrifice) and by seeing them practising it, the others

have started voluntarily. Like Saiva Pillais, Saiva Mudaliyars, Saiva Gounders

in Tamil nadu or say Bhanias, Marwaris, etc of North ( intrestingly

vegetaniarisam is called saivam here and vaishnov in north. That itself can be

another topic) practise voluntarily.

 

When Sri Bhudda forced vegetarianism on all and sundry, the result is that all

buddhists including bhikshus eat meat. ( in china people eat every thing)

Intrestingly the muslims who went for selling meat, converted all of malaysia

and indonesia.

 

Hinduism as a religion dosenot forces any thing on every body. It made that

compulsary for brahmins and seeing that 30% of the country is vegetarian

voluntarily.

 

Kshtriyas eat non veg and we have great Janaka, Yudishtra, Prahlada, Mahabali

among spritually divine.

 

Regards

 

Sankar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, rajeswar <sarvadu wrote:

 

 

rajeswar <sarvadu

Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 12:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sanjaytechnology

 

Being a vegetarian or non-vegetarian remains a matter of ones choice. I believe

being vegetarian is a better way to a healthy living. Maamsam maamsena

vriddhathe meaning meat only increases the meaty things in us. it increases the

tamasic tatwa in us. for spiritual evolution one has to be satvic. Any say about

that? The scriptures unambiguously support the meatless way of life. Here are

what they have to say-

 

In the Mahabharata, for instance, (read Anu.114.11) the great warrior Bhishma

explains to Yudhishtira, eldest of the Pandava princes, that the meat of animals

is like the flesh of one's own son, and that the foolish person who eats meat

must be considered the vilest of human beings.

 

Similarly, the Manusmriti declares that one should 'refrain from eating all

kinds of meat,' for such eating involves killing and leads to karmic bondage

(bandha).

 

Elsewhere in the Vedic literature, the last of the great Vedic kings, Maharajah

Parikshit, is quoted as saying that 'only the animal-killer cannot relish the

message of the Absolute Truth [shrimad Bhagavatam 10.1.4].

 

The Hindu scriptures also speak clearly and forcefully on non killing and

vegetarianism.

 

In the ancient Rig Veda, we read: " O vegetable, be succulent, wholesome,

strengthening; and thus, body, be fully grown. "

 

The Yajur Veda summarily dictates: " Do not injure the beings living on the

earth, in the air and in the water.

 

The Manu Samhita advises: " Having well considered the origin of flesh and the

cruelty of fettering and slaying of corporeal beings, let one entirely abstain

from eating flesh. "

 

The roots of non injury non killing and nonconsumption of meat are found in the

Vedas, agamas, Upanishads, Dharma Shastras, Tirumurai, Yoga Sutras and dozens of

other sacred texts of Hinduism. Here is a select collection.

 

Vedas and agamas, Hinduism's Revealed Scriptures

 

The Rig Veda Samhita 10.191 says-

LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be of

one mind, so you may live well together.

 

Rig Veda Samhita 10.37.11. VE, 319

Protect both our species, two-legged and four-legged. Both food and water for

their needs supply. May they with us increase in stature and strength. Save us

from hurt all our days, O Powers!

 

Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90

One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal, and

deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does not

desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 10. 191. 4 says-

Peaceful be the earth, peaceful the ether, peaceful heaven, peaceful the waters,

peaceful the herbs, peaceful the trees. May all Gods bring me peace. May there

be peace through these invocations of peace. With these invocations of peace

which appease everything, I render peaceful whatever here is terrible, whatever

here is cruel, whatever here is sinful. Let it become auspicious, let everything

be beneficial to us.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 19.48.5. FS, 90

Those noble souls who practice meditation and other yogic ways, who are ever

careful about all beings, who protect all animals, are the ones who are actually

serious about spiritual practices.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 6.120.1. VE, 636

If we have injured space, the earth or heaven, or if we have offended mother or

father, from that may Agni, fire of the house, absolve us and guide us safely to

the world of goodness.

 

The Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90 says-

You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, whether they

are human, animal or whatever.

 

Yajur Veda 36.18.

May all beings look at me with a friendly eye. May I do likewise, and may we all

look on each other with the eyes of a friend.

 

Krishna Yajur Veda, Prana Upanishad 46-8. VE, 413-14 says

Nonviolence is all the offerings. Renunciation is the priestly honorarium. The

final purification is death. Thus all the Divinities are established in this

body.

 

Shukla Yajur Veda Samhita 36.17-18. VE, 306; 342 says-

To the heavens be peace, to the sky and the earth; to the waters be peace, to

plants and all trees; to the Gods be peace, to Brahman be peace, to all men be

peace, again and again-peace also to me! O earthen vessel, strengthen me. May

all beings regard me with friendly eyes! May I look upon all creatures with

friendly eyes! With a friend's eye may we regard each other!

 

all without any malice towards all the meat lovers

 

rao nr

 

, " sanjaytechnology " <sanjaytechnology@

....> wrote:

>

> All:

>

> Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> here...hopefully. ...

>

> Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> bear with me and go through this posting.

>

> I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> life energy.

>

> What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> meat to produce meat in our bodies.

>

> There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

>

> Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> food, there will be no odors.

>

> Remember meat is created from food.

>

> Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> pure.

>

> The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> will be very good for spiritual growth.

>

> I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> salads :-).

>

> Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sankar,

 

again this is far from truth

 

u r almost implying ppl from North took their learning from just tamils? which

scholars exchanged these ideas u will find greek, chineese travelers who came

saw, learnt something from India or vedic land but any from tamil land so far?

 

u will be surprised North India is 60-65% Veg they r not all brahmins surely who

r mere less than 3% of all india and may be UP esp varanasi has a higher %age.

 

in Homas, Yagnas Brahmins did partake the Bali or offering to Agnihotra, but as

it became more mechanical and cruel as a means to feast than pacify the neeeds

of a person who was advised such pallatives it became a superstition and Budhas,

Mahavir's entry did shun such crimes on voiceless beings

 

Adi Shankara who came and re-ignited theVedic culture, its spirit in the right

direction as it lost its course he brough back the importance of not harming,

eating living beings esp by hunting, culling, killingetc

 

the 4 ashrams he set up, Bhadrinath, Kedarnath, Sringerim Puri did take the

message forward to the respective regions.

 

vedic culture is basicall non violent, vegiteran and also sees the paratama in

all living forms and even stones, plants, gems, etc so that u learnt to

preserve, conserve natural habitats, flora and fauna. what the forest guards r

supposed to do now but never do

 

our Varnashrama r based on nature the Brahmacharya and Vrudha avastha is

nurturing with nature and also giving back to nature what we consumed in this

life with good energy still in our body and mind a thank u mother nature

 

this also helped in allowing the children to become more indipendent, respecting

elders and took over and gave back the same values to the next generation

today we r at the worst level elders become old ppl and unwanted ppl as they

interfere in the name of experience in all matters good or bad instead of

guiding they look down or demean erring yoingsters, if after imparting values

and guidlines seeing the settle and they moved away the respect they had for

their systems elders lived for long time. but like all good things a stale

situation with mechanical approach is the downfall o f good values, Besha ,

Kalaa Paristhiti has to be consistantly changing, adapting to times. not blidnly

following old ones and not adapting them to our times. [need based]

 

Best wishes

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan

 

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:41:46 PM

Re: Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

 

Dear Friend

 

My views are like this.

 

Hinduism though considers Vegetarianisam as the highest thing, it dose not make

it compulsary for all except Brahmins. The speciality is the religion dose not

forces anything on every one.

 

It made it compulsary for Brahmins only ( they are exempted whe they take a

pepper size from yagna sacrifice) and by seeing them practising it, the others

have started voluntarily. Like Saiva Pillais, Saiva Mudaliyars, Saiva Gounders

in Tamil nadu or say Bhanias, Marwaris, etc of North ( intrestingly

vegetaniarisam is called saivam here and vaishnov in north. That itself can be

another topic) practise voluntarily.

 

When Sri Bhudda forced vegetarianism on all and sundry, the result is that all

buddhists including bhikshus eat meat. ( in china people eat every thing)

Intrestingly the muslims who went for selling meat, converted all of malaysia

and indonesia.

 

Hinduism as a religion dosenot forces any thing on every body. It made that

compulsary for brahmins and seeing that 30% of the country is vegetarian

voluntarily.

 

Kshtriyas eat non veg and we have great Janaka, Yudishtra, Prahlada, Mahabali

among spritually divine.

 

Regards

 

Sankar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, rajeswar <sarvadu > wrote:

 

rajeswar <sarvadu >

Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 12:19 PM

 

 

 

Dear Sanjaytechnology

 

Being a vegetarian or non-vegetarian remains a matter of ones choice. I believe

being vegetarian is a better way to a healthy living. Maamsam maamsena

vriddhathe meaning meat only increases the meaty things in us. it increases the

tamasic tatwa in us. for spiritual evolution one has to be satvic. Any say about

that? The scriptures unambiguously support the meatless way of life. Here are

what they have to say-

 

In the Mahabharata, for instance, (read Anu.114.11) the great warrior Bhishma

explains to Yudhishtira, eldest of the Pandava princes, that the meat of animals

is like the flesh of one's own son, and that the foolish person who eats meat

must be considered the vilest of human beings.

 

Similarly, the Manusmriti declares that one should 'refrain from eating all

kinds of meat,' for such eating involves killing and leads to karmic bondage

(bandha).

 

Elsewhere in the Vedic literature, the last of the great Vedic kings, Maharajah

Parikshit, is quoted as saying that 'only the animal-killer cannot relish the

message of the Absolute Truth [shrimad Bhagavatam 10.1.4].

 

The Hindu scriptures also speak clearly and forcefully on non killing and

vegetarianism.

 

In the ancient Rig Veda, we read: " O vegetable, be succulent, wholesome,

strengthening; and thus, body, be fully grown. "

 

The Yajur Veda summarily dictates: " Do not injure the beings living on the

earth, in the air and in the water.

 

The Manu Samhita advises: " Having well considered the origin of flesh and the

cruelty of fettering and slaying of corporeal beings, let one entirely abstain

from eating flesh. "

 

The roots of non injury non killing and nonconsumption of meat are found in the

Vedas, agamas, Upanishads, Dharma Shastras, Tirumurai, Yoga Sutras and dozens of

other sacred texts of Hinduism. Here is a select collection.

 

Vedas and agamas, Hinduism's Revealed Scriptures

 

The Rig Veda Samhita 10.191 says-

LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be of

one mind, so you may live well together.

 

Rig Veda Samhita 10.37.11. VE, 319

Protect both our species, two-legged and four-legged. Both food and water for

their needs supply. May they with us increase in stature and strength. Save us

from hurt all our days, O Powers!

 

Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90

One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal, and

deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does not

desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 10. 191. 4 says-

Peaceful be the earth, peaceful the ether, peaceful heaven, peaceful the waters,

peaceful the herbs, peaceful the trees. May all Gods bring me peace. May there

be peace through these invocations of peace. With these invocations of peace

which appease everything, I render peaceful whatever here is terrible, whatever

here is cruel, whatever here is sinful. Let it become auspicious, let everything

be beneficial to us.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 19.48.5. FS, 90

Those noble souls who practice meditation and other yogic ways, who are ever

careful about all beings, who protect all animals, are the ones who are actually

serious about spiritual practices.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 6.120.1. VE, 636

If we have injured space, the earth or heaven, or if we have offended mother or

father, from that may Agni, fire of the house, absolve us and guide us safely to

the world of goodness.

 

The Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90 says-

You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, whether they

are human, animal or whatever.

 

Yajur Veda 36.18.

May all beings look at me with a friendly eye. May I do likewise, and may we all

look on each other with the eyes of a friend.

 

Krishna Yajur Veda, Prana Upanishad 46-8. VE, 413-14 says

Nonviolence is all the offerings. Renunciation is the priestly honorarium. The

final purification is death. Thus all the Divinities are established in this

body.

 

Shukla Yajur Veda Samhita 36.17-18. VE, 306; 342 says-

To the heavens be peace, to the sky and the earth; to the waters be peace, to

plants and all trees; to the Gods be peace, to Brahman be peace, to all men be

peace, again and again-peace also to me! O earthen vessel, strengthen me. May

all beings regard me with friendly eyes! May I look upon all creatures with

friendly eyes! With a friend's eye may we regard each other!

 

all without any malice towards all the meat lovers

 

rao nr

 

, " sanjaytechnology " <sanjaytechnology@

....> wrote:

>

> All:

>

> Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> here...hopefully. ...

>

> Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> bear with me and go through this posting.

>

> I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> life energy.

>

> What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> meat to produce meat in our bodies.

>

> There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

>

> Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> food, there will be no odors.

>

> Remember meat is created from food.

>

> Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> pure.

>

> The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> will be very good for spiritual growth.

>

> I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> salads :-).

>

> Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

 

From time immemorial, India or Bharath has been a strong proponent of spiritual

culture, a life style based on spiritualism, whether it is north, south , west

or East India. There is point or need to highlight one Sankaracharya or other to

show the vedic culture in Inida.

 

A society was classified as Brahmin, Kshetrias, Vysyas & sudras - four main

interdependant class of people. There are other who fall outside these

classification also such as mlechas, chandalas etc. That is why Astrology

classics gives different combination or yogas or conditions to differentiate

between them. Other wise after Vysyas all the rest could have been grouped under

one class of Sudra.

 

It would be worthwhile these classifications more closely before arriving at a

conclusion.

 

Many of the ancient works which illustrate the life style or niyamas one should

follow give conditions for partaking meat on different occasions - that is

certains rules are laid, except for brahmins. Now to understand the trick of the

sanskrit and its works, one should not only look at what has been written BUT

also what has not been written. And most of all, the circumstances, the society

etc should also be considered. That is why different societies or people of

different places follow different tantras & samhithas.

 

There is also a lot of misunderstanding about brahmins partaking the

" jagyabhaga " or the offerings in the yagya. In a tantric ritual, the offerings

are made only after removing the " amedhya " or " mala " from the " havis " thus

making it " amrith " . People who do not know this or understand it tend to think

that brahmins partake meat. This line also has been misused to malign them. Due

to this offering meat has been praticaly stopped except a few and instead

cearels with protien considered to be equal to meat is used even in temples.

 

The irony is that this same argument is used by present generation brahmins to

justify meat eating and even other activities.

 

Human soul is classified into three " Satwic " , " Rajasic " & " Tamasic " . The

discription, charecter etc well described by Shree Krishna in Shreemad Bhagavat

Geetha in simple language. So also food is divided in to three Satwic, Rajasic &

Tamasic.

 

It is easy to understand that Rajasic & Tamasic nature are bound by ahankara &

self (Ego). Consequently the food also shall be.

 

True spirituality is to understand the nature and the self. The ancients and

some of even the present generation has understood and taught us that to realise

it the way of life is : Live simple,Eat simple & think simple. As Shree Rohini

Ji as put it : " Innosense " .

 

It is also a well known fact that Rajasic & Tamasic food increases the

charecteristic attributed to them in living beings be it human or otherwise. In

Kerala, The dogs are not very aggressive in nature. But dog trainers claim that

if you feed them Tortoise blood & meat for a few days they become more

aggressive than even doberman or german sheppeard. It is practical experience

and you can understand the reasoning. perhaps that is also why we have so much

trouble from the meat eating community and probably why there was little protest

even when Shankaracharya was arrested.

 

But to think that vegetarianism is weakness is gross. The largest & strongest

animal walking on the face of the earth is pure vegetarian.

 

If you look at the medical statistics, meat eaters are largest in the country

who are affected by various problems right from a young age. I am not

overstating this. It is fact I know. My sister & Brother-in-Law ate Govt doctors

and this fact comes from them.

 

Perhaps to understand the power of Satwic food & nature & spirituality, when may

take a look at Karate that depends on raw power or Rajasic nature & Taichi which

uses the slow & natural motion and inner power, The Ying & Yang, also symbolised

by the Pisces sign -two fishes that form the circle and mind you its lord is

Jupiter, The unlimate Guru.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> Sankar,

>

> again this is far from truth

>

> u r almost implying ppl from North took their learning from just tamils? which

scholars exchanged these ideas u will find greek, chineese travelers who came

saw, learnt something from India or vedic land but any from tamil land so far?

>

> u will be surprised North India is 60-65% Veg they r not all brahmins surely

who r mere less than 3% of all india and may be UP esp varanasi has a higher

%age.

>

> in Homas, Yagnas Brahmins did partake the Bali or offering to Agnihotra, but

as it became more mechanical and cruel as a means to feast than pacify the

neeeds of a person who was advised such pallatives it became a superstition and

Budhas, Mahavir's entry did shun such crimes on voiceless beings

>

> Adi Shankara who came and re-ignited theVedic culture, its spirit in the right

direction as it lost its course he brough back the importance of not harming,

eating living beings esp by hunting, culling, killingetc

>

> the 4 ashrams he set up, Bhadrinath, Kedarnath, Sringerim Puri did take the

message forward to the respective regions.

>

> vedic culture is basicall non violent, vegiteran and also sees the paratama in

all living forms and even stones, plants, gems, etc so that u learnt to

preserve, conserve natural habitats, flora and fauna. what the forest guards r

supposed to do now but never do

>

> our Varnashrama r based on nature the Brahmacharya and Vrudha avastha is

nurturing with nature and also giving back to nature what we consumed in this

life with good energy still in our body and mind a thank u mother nature

>

> this also helped in allowing the children to become more indipendent,

respecting elders and took over and gave back the same values to the next

generation

> today we r at the worst level elders become old ppl and unwanted ppl as they

interfere in the name of experience in all matters good or bad instead of

guiding they look down or demean erring yoingsters, if after imparting values

and guidlines seeing the settle and they moved away the respect they had for

their systems elders lived for long time. but like all good things a stale

situation with mechanical approach is the downfall o f good values, Besha ,

Kalaa Paristhiti has to be consistantly changing, adapting to times. not blidnly

following old ones and not adapting them to our times. [need based]

>

> Best wishes

________________________________

> sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan

>

> Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:41:46 PM

> Re: Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual

evolution?

>

>

> Dear Friend

>

> My views are like this.

>

> Hinduism though considers Vegetarianisam as the highest thing, it dose not

make it compulsary for all except Brahmins. The speciality is the religion dose

not forces anything on every one.

>

> It made it compulsary for Brahmins only ( they are exempted whe they take a

pepper size from yagna sacrifice) and by seeing them practising it, the others

have started voluntarily. Like Saiva Pillais, Saiva Mudaliyars, Saiva Gounders

in Tamil nadu or say Bhanias, Marwaris, etc of North ( intrestingly

vegetaniarisam is called saivam here and vaishnov in north. That itself can be

another topic) practise voluntarily.

>

> When Sri Bhudda forced vegetarianism on all and sundry, the result is that all

buddhists including bhikshus eat meat. ( in china people eat every thing)

Intrestingly the muslims who went for selling meat, converted all of malaysia

and indonesia.

>

> Hinduism as a religion dosenot forces any thing on every body. It made that

compulsary for brahmins and seeing that 30% of the country is vegetarian

voluntarily.

>

> Kshtriyas eat non veg and we have great Janaka, Yudishtra, Prahlada, Mahabali

among spritually divine.

>

> Regards

>

> Sankar

>

>

>

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, rajeswar <sarvadu > wrote:

>

> rajeswar <sarvadu >

> Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

>

> Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 12:19 PM

>

>

>

> Dear Sanjaytechnology

>

> Being a vegetarian or non-vegetarian remains a matter of ones choice. I

believe being vegetarian is a better way to a healthy living. Maamsam maamsena

vriddhathe meaning meat only increases the meaty things in us. it increases the

tamasic tatwa in us. for spiritual evolution one has to be satvic. Any say about

that? The scriptures unambiguously support the meatless way of life. Here are

what they have to say-

>

> In the Mahabharata, for instance, (read Anu.114.11) the great warrior Bhishma

explains to Yudhishtira, eldest of the Pandava princes, that the meat of animals

is like the flesh of one's own son, and that the foolish person who eats meat

must be considered the vilest of human beings.

>

> Similarly, the Manusmriti declares that one should 'refrain from eating all

kinds of meat,' for such eating involves killing and leads to karmic bondage

(bandha).

>

> Elsewhere in the Vedic literature, the last of the great Vedic kings,

Maharajah Parikshit, is quoted as saying that 'only the animal-killer cannot

relish the message of the Absolute Truth [shrimad Bhagavatam 10.1.4].

>

> The Hindu scriptures also speak clearly and forcefully on non killing and

vegetarianism.

>

> In the ancient Rig Veda, we read: " O vegetable, be succulent, wholesome,

strengthening; and thus, body, be fully grown. "

>

> The Yajur Veda summarily dictates: " Do not injure the beings living on the

earth, in the air and in the water.

>

> The Manu Samhita advises: " Having well considered the origin of flesh and the

cruelty of fettering and slaying of corporeal beings, let one entirely abstain

from eating flesh. "

>

> The roots of non injury non killing and nonconsumption of meat are found in

the Vedas, agamas, Upanishads, Dharma Shastras, Tirumurai, Yoga Sutras and

dozens of other sacred texts of Hinduism. Here is a select collection.

>

> Vedas and agamas, Hinduism's Revealed Scriptures

>

> The Rig Veda Samhita 10.191 says-

> LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be

of one mind, so you may live well together.

>

> Rig Veda Samhita 10.37.11. VE, 319

> Protect both our species, two-legged and four-legged. Both food and water for

their needs supply. May they with us increase in stature and strength. Save us

from hurt all our days, O Powers!

>

> Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90

> One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal,

and deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does

not desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head.

>

> Atharva Veda Samhita 10. 191. 4 says-

> Peaceful be the earth, peaceful the ether, peaceful heaven, peaceful the

waters, peaceful the herbs, peaceful the trees. May all Gods bring me peace. May

there be peace through these invocations of peace. With these invocations of

peace which appease everything, I render peaceful whatever here is terrible,

whatever here is cruel, whatever here is sinful. Let it become auspicious, let

everything be beneficial to us.

>

> Atharva Veda Samhita 19.48.5. FS, 90

> Those noble souls who practice meditation and other yogic ways, who are ever

careful about all beings, who protect all animals, are the ones who are actually

serious about spiritual practices.

>

> Atharva Veda Samhita 6.120.1. VE, 636

> If we have injured space, the earth or heaven, or if we have offended mother

or father, from that may Agni, fire of the house, absolve us and guide us safely

to the world of goodness.

>

> The Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90 says-

> You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, whether they

are human, animal or whatever.

>

> Yajur Veda 36.18.

> May all beings look at me with a friendly eye. May I do likewise, and may we

all look on each other with the eyes of a friend.

>

> Krishna Yajur Veda, Prana Upanishad 46-8. VE, 413-14 says

> Nonviolence is all the offerings. Renunciation is the priestly honorarium. The

final purification is death. Thus all the Divinities are established in this

body.

>

> Shukla Yajur Veda Samhita 36.17-18. VE, 306; 342 says-

> To the heavens be peace, to the sky and the earth; to the waters be peace, to

plants and all trees; to the Gods be peace, to Brahman be peace, to all men be

peace, again and again-peace also to me! O earthen vessel, strengthen me. May

all beings regard me with friendly eyes! May I look upon all creatures with

friendly eyes! With a friend's eye may we regard each other!

>

> all without any malice towards all the meat lovers

>

> rao nr

>

> , " sanjaytechnology "

<sanjaytechnology@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > All:

> >

> > Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> > here...hopefully. ...

> >

> > Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> > food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> > humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> > bear with me and go through this posting.

> >

> > I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> > am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> > extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> > a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> > on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> > plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> > you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> > life energy.

> >

> > What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> > those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> > they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> > we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> > meat to produce meat in our bodies.

> >

> > There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> > are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> > food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> > highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> > becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> > into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> > the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> > flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

> >

> > Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> > evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> > bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> > long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> > stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> > food, there will be no odors.

> >

> > Remember meat is created from food.

> >

> > Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> > seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> > Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> > this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> > pure.

> >

> > The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> > will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> > digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> > will be very good for spiritual growth.

> >

> > I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> > and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> > so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> > salads :-).

> >

> > Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

> >

> > --Sanjay Aggarwal

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting discussion! Kind of in keeping with the adage, " You are what you

eat! " AND that can be interpreted and reinterpreted in many different ways. I

once read a scientific study by a nutritionist from Manitoba, Canada (Virginia

Messier or similar name) who provided clinical observations that diabetics

responded better to therapy and overall were better controlled when on a

vegetarian diet as opposed to non-vegetarian and fatty diets -- so obviously

vegetarian is the way to go for diabetics for sure!

 

Now in this august discussion may I introduce the belief and practice observed

by East Indian Brahmins from the Bengali culture? While strict vegetarion on

Ekadashi and similar days, they have been partaking of fish, which I believe is

non-vegetarian (animal and flesh!) although some hard-core non-vegetarians call

fish as Jal tori or Jal Turahi. Tori/Turaih is a vegetable an elongated

vegetable. I have no clue what it is botanically or whether a squash or just a

long bean or whatever.

 

That said, Mrigayaa was a favorite pastime of even very ancient kings from what

I have heard and I am sure they were not just killing birds and animals just for

fun but for essentially participating in the FOOD-CHAIN DHARMA of living beings!

 

Such diversity in this Universe created by ONE and ONLY GOD!

 

RR

 

, " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan wrote:

>

> Dear Friend

>  

> My views are like this.

>  

> Hinduism though considers Vegetarianisam as the highest thing, it dose not

make it compulsary for all except Brahmins. The speciality is the religion dose

not forces anything on every one.

>  

> It made it compulsary for Brahmins only ( they are exempted whe they take a

pepper size from yagna sacrifice) and by seeing them practising it, the others

have started voluntarily. Like Saiva Pillais, Saiva Mudaliyars, Saiva Gounders

in Tamil nadu or say Bhanias, Marwaris, etc of North ( intrestingly

vegetaniarisam is called saivam here and vaishnov in north. That itself can be

another topic) practise voluntarily.

>  

> When Sri Bhudda forced vegetarianism on all and sundry, the result is that all

buddhists including bhikshus eat meat. ( in china people eat every thing)

Intrestingly the muslims who went for selling meat, converted all of malaysia

and indonesia.

>  

> Hinduism as a religion dosenot forces any thing on every body. It made that

compulsary for brahmins and seeing that 30% of the country is vegetarian

voluntarily.

>  

> Kshtriyas eat non veg and we have great Janaka, Yudishtra, Prahlada, Mahabali

among spritually divine.

>  

> Regards

>  

> Sankar

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>

>

> --- On Wed, 7/22/09, rajeswar <sarvadu wrote:

>

>

> rajeswar <sarvadu

> Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

>

> Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 12:19 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Sanjaytechnology

>

> Being a vegetarian or non-vegetarian remains a matter of ones choice. I

believe being vegetarian is a better way to a healthy living. Maamsam maamsena

vriddhathe meaning meat only increases the meaty things in us. it increases the

tamasic tatwa in us. for spiritual evolution one has to be satvic. Any say about

that? The scriptures unambiguously support the meatless way of life. Here are

what they have to say-

>

> In the Mahabharata, for instance, (read Anu.114.11) the great warrior Bhishma

explains to Yudhishtira, eldest of the Pandava princes, that the meat of animals

is like the flesh of one's own son, and that the foolish person who eats meat

must be considered the vilest of human beings.

>

> Similarly, the Manusmriti declares that one should 'refrain from eating all

kinds of meat,' for such eating involves killing and leads to karmic bondage

(bandha).

>

> Elsewhere in the Vedic literature, the last of the great Vedic kings,

Maharajah Parikshit, is quoted as saying that 'only the animal-killer cannot

relish the message of the Absolute Truth [shrimad Bhagavatam 10.1.4].

>

> The Hindu scriptures also speak clearly and forcefully on non killing and

vegetarianism.

>

> In the ancient Rig Veda, we read: " O vegetable, be succulent, wholesome,

strengthening; and thus, body, be fully grown. "

>

> The Yajur Veda summarily dictates: " Do not injure the beings living on the

earth, in the air and in the water.

>

> The Manu Samhita advises: " Having well considered the origin of flesh and the

cruelty of fettering and slaying of corporeal beings, let one entirely abstain

from eating flesh. "

>

> The roots of non injury non killing and nonconsumption of meat are found in

the Vedas, agamas, Upanishads, Dharma Shastras, Tirumurai, Yoga Sutras and

dozens of other sacred texts of Hinduism. Here is a select collection.

>

> Vedas and agamas, Hinduism's Revealed Scriptures

>

> The Rig Veda Samhita 10.191 says-

> LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be

of one mind, so you may live well together.

>

> Rig Veda Samhita 10.37.11. VE, 319

> Protect both our species, two-legged and four-legged. Both food and water for

their needs supply. May they with us increase in stature and strength. Save us

from hurt all our days, O Powers!

>

> Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90

> One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal,

and deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does

not desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head.

>

> Atharva Veda Samhita 10. 191. 4 says-

> Peaceful be the earth, peaceful the ether, peaceful heaven, peaceful the

waters, peaceful the herbs, peaceful the trees. May all Gods bring me peace. May

there be peace through these invocations of peace. With these invocations of

peace which appease everything, I render peaceful whatever here is terrible,

whatever here is cruel, whatever here is sinful. Let it become auspicious, let

everything be beneficial to us.

>

> Atharva Veda Samhita 19.48.5. FS, 90

> Those noble souls who practice meditation and other yogic ways, who are ever

careful about all beings, who protect all animals, are the ones who are actually

serious about spiritual practices.

>

> Atharva Veda Samhita 6.120.1. VE, 636

> If we have injured space, the earth or heaven, or if we have offended mother

or father, from that may Agni, fire of the house, absolve us and guide us safely

to the world of goodness.

>

> The Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90 says-

> You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, whether they

are human, animal or whatever.

>

> Yajur Veda 36.18.

> May all beings look at me with a friendly eye. May I do likewise, and may we

all look on each other with the eyes of a friend.

>

> Krishna Yajur Veda, Prana Upanishad 46-8. VE, 413-14 says

> Nonviolence is all the offerings. Renunciation is the priestly honorarium. The

final purification is death. Thus all the Divinities are established in this

body.

>

> Shukla Yajur Veda Samhita 36.17-18. VE, 306; 342 says-

> To the heavens be peace, to the sky and the earth; to the waters be peace, to

plants and all trees; to the Gods be peace, to Brahman be peace, to all men be

peace, again and again-peace also to me! O earthen vessel, strengthen me. May

all beings regard me with friendly eyes! May I look upon all creatures with

friendly eyes! With a friend's eye may we regard each other!

>

> all without any malice towards all the meat lovers

>

> rao nr

>

> , " sanjaytechnology "

<sanjaytechnology@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > All:

> >

> > Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> > here...hopefully. ...

> >

> > Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> > food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> > humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> > bear with me and go through this posting.

> >

> > I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> > am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> > extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> > a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> > on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> > plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> > you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> > life energy.

> >

> > What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> > those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> > they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> > we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> > meat to produce meat in our bodies.

> >

> > There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> > are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> > food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> > highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> > becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> > into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> > the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> > flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

> >

> > Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> > evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> > bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> > long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> > stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> > food, there will be no odors.

> >

> > Remember meat is created from food.

> >

> > Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> > seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> > Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> > this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> > pure.

> >

> > The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> > will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> > digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> > will be very good for spiritual growth.

> >

> > I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> > and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> > so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> > salads :-).

> >

> > Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

> >

> > --Sanjay Aggarwal

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

Pardon my naive statement, Sankaranarayanan ji, but I have heard that *Hinduism*

is not a religion but the original state where Humanity and Divinity were not

SEPARATED yet?

 

RE-LIGION implies that something joined (ligated; Ligion) [with source] again

(Re)!

 

The newer religions including Buddhism (no disrespect intended!)indeed are

RE-LIGIONS where a new path was needed, not because religion was not working,

but because the Water had gone stale and needed a new path to freshen and

re-fresh the original message!

 

Hinduism is kind of unique and please correct me if I am wrong and it is

original SANATAN, as they call HER! So How can we call Hinduism a RE-LIGION?

When it is the Original ;-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan wrote:

>

> Dear Friend

>  

> My views are like this.

>  

> Hinduism though considers Vegetarianisam as the highest thing, it dose not

make it compulsary for all except Brahmins. The speciality is the religion dose

not forces anything on every one.

>  

> It made it compulsary for Brahmins only ( they are exempted whe they take a

pepper size from yagna sacrifice) and by seeing them practising it, the others

have started voluntarily. Like Saiva Pillais, Saiva Mudaliyars, Saiva Gounders

in Tamil nadu or say Bhanias, Marwaris, etc of North ( intrestingly

vegetaniarisam is called saivam here and vaishnov in north. That itself can be

another topic) practise voluntarily.

>  

> When Sri Bhudda forced vegetarianism on all and sundry, the result is that all

buddhists including bhikshus eat meat. ( in china people eat every thing)

Intrestingly the muslims who went for selling meat, converted all of malaysia

and indonesia.

>  

> Hinduism as a religion dosenot forces any thing on every body. It made that

compulsary for brahmins and seeing that 30% of the country is vegetarian

voluntarily.

>  

> Kshtriyas eat non veg and we have great Janaka, Yudishtra, Prahlada, Mahabali

among spritually divine.

>  

> Regards

>  

> Sankar

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>

>

> --- On Wed, 7/22/09, rajeswar <sarvadu wrote:

>

>

> rajeswar <sarvadu

> Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

>

> Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 12:19 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Sanjaytechnology

>

> Being a vegetarian or non-vegetarian remains a matter of ones choice. I

believe being vegetarian is a better way to a healthy living. Maamsam maamsena

vriddhathe meaning meat only increases the meaty things in us. it increases the

tamasic tatwa in us. for spiritual evolution one has to be satvic. Any say about

that? The scriptures unambiguously support the meatless way of life. Here are

what they have to say-

>

> In the Mahabharata, for instance, (read Anu.114.11) the great warrior Bhishma

explains to Yudhishtira, eldest of the Pandava princes, that the meat of animals

is like the flesh of one's own son, and that the foolish person who eats meat

must be considered the vilest of human beings.

>

> Similarly, the Manusmriti declares that one should 'refrain from eating all

kinds of meat,' for such eating involves killing and leads to karmic bondage

(bandha).

>

> Elsewhere in the Vedic literature, the last of the great Vedic kings,

Maharajah Parikshit, is quoted as saying that 'only the animal-killer cannot

relish the message of the Absolute Truth [shrimad Bhagavatam 10.1.4].

>

> The Hindu scriptures also speak clearly and forcefully on non killing and

vegetarianism.

>

> In the ancient Rig Veda, we read: " O vegetable, be succulent, wholesome,

strengthening; and thus, body, be fully grown. "

>

> The Yajur Veda summarily dictates: " Do not injure the beings living on the

earth, in the air and in the water.

>

> The Manu Samhita advises: " Having well considered the origin of flesh and the

cruelty of fettering and slaying of corporeal beings, let one entirely abstain

from eating flesh. "

>

> The roots of non injury non killing and nonconsumption of meat are found in

the Vedas, agamas, Upanishads, Dharma Shastras, Tirumurai, Yoga Sutras and

dozens of other sacred texts of Hinduism. Here is a select collection.

>

> Vedas and agamas, Hinduism's Revealed Scriptures

>

> The Rig Veda Samhita 10.191 says-

> LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be

of one mind, so you may live well together.

>

> Rig Veda Samhita 10.37.11. VE, 319

> Protect both our species, two-legged and four-legged. Both food and water for

their needs supply. May they with us increase in stature and strength. Save us

from hurt all our days, O Powers!

>

> Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90

> One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal,

and deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does

not desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head.

>

> Atharva Veda Samhita 10. 191. 4 says-

> Peaceful be the earth, peaceful the ether, peaceful heaven, peaceful the

waters, peaceful the herbs, peaceful the trees. May all Gods bring me peace. May

there be peace through these invocations of peace. With these invocations of

peace which appease everything, I render peaceful whatever here is terrible,

whatever here is cruel, whatever here is sinful. Let it become auspicious, let

everything be beneficial to us.

>

> Atharva Veda Samhita 19.48.5. FS, 90

> Those noble souls who practice meditation and other yogic ways, who are ever

careful about all beings, who protect all animals, are the ones who are actually

serious about spiritual practices.

>

> Atharva Veda Samhita 6.120.1. VE, 636

> If we have injured space, the earth or heaven, or if we have offended mother

or father, from that may Agni, fire of the house, absolve us and guide us safely

to the world of goodness.

>

> The Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90 says-

> You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, whether they

are human, animal or whatever.

>

> Yajur Veda 36.18.

> May all beings look at me with a friendly eye. May I do likewise, and may we

all look on each other with the eyes of a friend.

>

> Krishna Yajur Veda, Prana Upanishad 46-8. VE, 413-14 says

> Nonviolence is all the offerings. Renunciation is the priestly honorarium. The

final purification is death. Thus all the Divinities are established in this

body.

>

> Shukla Yajur Veda Samhita 36.17-18. VE, 306; 342 says-

> To the heavens be peace, to the sky and the earth; to the waters be peace, to

plants and all trees; to the Gods be peace, to Brahman be peace, to all men be

peace, again and again-peace also to me! O earthen vessel, strengthen me. May

all beings regard me with friendly eyes! May I look upon all creatures with

friendly eyes! With a friend's eye may we regard each other!

>

> all without any malice towards all the meat lovers

>

> rao nr

>

> , " sanjaytechnology "

<sanjaytechnology@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > All:

> >

> > Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> > here...hopefully. ...

> >

> > Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> > food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> > humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> > bear with me and go through this posting.

> >

> > I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> > am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> > extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> > a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> > on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> > plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> > you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> > life energy.

> >

> > What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> > those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> > they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> > we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> > meat to produce meat in our bodies.

> >

> > There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> > are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> > food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> > highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> > becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> > into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> > the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> > flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

> >

> > Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> > evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> > bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> > long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> > stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> > food, there will be no odors.

> >

> > Remember meat is created from food.

> >

> > Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> > seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> > Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> > this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> > pure.

> >

> > The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> > will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> > digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> > will be very good for spiritual growth.

> >

> > I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> > and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> > so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> > salads :-).

> >

> > Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

> >

> > --Sanjay Aggarwal

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

Respected sir, Exactly. This sanatana dharma is time less and the name hinduism

is given by others. I am currently reading the seven volumes of Kanchi

Paramacharya's lectures. He was referring about the vegetarianism and sanyas.

When it was given for all and sundry both have lost its dignity.

 

However Jainism by way of strict practising by sanyasis ( for whom sanyas was

not given just like that), made every jain vegetarian.

 

Our dhrama allows the fruit to ripe on its own through various births.

 

regards

 

sankar

 

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Thursday, July 23, 2009, 5:23 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pardon my naive statement, Sankaranarayanan ji, but I have heard that *Hinduism*

is not a religion but the original state where Humanity and Divinity were not

SEPARATED yet?

 

RE-LIGION implies that something joined (ligated; Ligion) [with source] again

(Re)!

 

The newer religions including Buddhism (no disrespect intended!)indeed are

RE-LIGIONS where a new path was needed, not because religion was not working,

but because the Water had gone stale and needed a new path to freshen and

re-fresh the original message!

 

Hinduism is kind of unique and please correct me if I am wrong and it is

original SANATAN, as they call HER! So How can we call Hinduism a RE-LIGION?

When it is the Original ;-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@

....> wrote:

>

> Dear Friend

>  

> My views are like this.

>  

> Hinduism though considers Vegetarianisam as the highest thing, it dose not

make it compulsary for all except Brahmins. The speciality is the religion dose

not forces anything on every one.

>  

> It made it compulsary for Brahmins only ( they are exempted whe they take a

pepper size from yagna sacrifice) and by seeing them practising it, the others

have started voluntarily. Like Saiva Pillais, Saiva Mudaliyars, Saiva Gounders

in Tamil nadu or say Bhanias, Marwaris, etc of North ( intrestingly

vegetaniarisam is called saivam here and vaishnov in north. That itself can be

another topic) practise voluntarily.

>  

> When Sri Bhudda forced vegetarianism on all and sundry, the result is that all

buddhists including bhikshus eat meat. ( in china people eat every thing)

Intrestingly the muslims who went for selling meat, converted all of malaysia

and indonesia.

>  

> Hinduism as a religion dosenot forces any thing on every body. It made that

compulsary for brahmins and seeing that 30% of the country is vegetarian

voluntarily.

>  

> Kshtriyas eat non veg and we have great Janaka, Yudishtra, Prahlada, Mahabali

among spritually divine.

>  

> Regards

>  

> Sankar

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>

>

> --- On Wed, 7/22/09, rajeswar <sarvadu > wrote:

>

>

> rajeswar <sarvadu >

> Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

>

> Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 12:19 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Sanjaytechnology

>

> Being a vegetarian or non-vegetarian remains a matter of ones choice. I

believe being vegetarian is a better way to a healthy living. Maamsam maamsena

vriddhathe meaning meat only increases the meaty things in us. it increases the

tamasic tatwa in us. for spiritual evolution one has to be satvic. Any say about

that? The scriptures unambiguously support the meatless way of life. Here are

what they have to say-

>

> In the Mahabharata, for instance, (read Anu.114.11) the great warrior Bhishma

explains to Yudhishtira, eldest of the Pandava princes, that the meat of animals

is like the flesh of one's own son, and that the foolish person who eats meat

must be considered the vilest of human beings.

>

> Similarly, the Manusmriti declares that one should 'refrain from eating all

kinds of meat,' for such eating involves killing and leads to karmic bondage

(bandha).

>

> Elsewhere in the Vedic literature, the last of the great Vedic kings,

Maharajah Parikshit, is quoted as saying that 'only the animal-killer cannot

relish the message of the Absolute Truth [shrimad Bhagavatam 10.1.4].

>

> The Hindu scriptures also speak clearly and forcefully on non killing and

vegetarianism.

>

> In the ancient Rig Veda, we read: " O vegetable, be succulent, wholesome,

strengthening; and thus, body, be fully grown. "

>

> The Yajur Veda summarily dictates: " Do not injure the beings living on the

earth, in the air and in the water.

>

> The Manu Samhita advises: " Having well considered the origin of flesh and the

cruelty of fettering and slaying of corporeal beings, let one entirely abstain

from eating flesh. "

>

> The roots of non injury non killing and nonconsumption of meat are found in

the Vedas, agamas, Upanishads, Dharma Shastras, Tirumurai, Yoga Sutras and

dozens of other sacred texts of Hinduism. Here is a select collection.

>

> Vedas and agamas, Hinduism's Revealed Scriptures

>

> The Rig Veda Samhita 10.191 says-

> LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be

of one mind, so you may live well together.

>

> Rig Veda Samhita 10.37.11. VE, 319

> Protect both our species, two-legged and four-legged. Both food and water for

their needs supply. May they with us increase in stature and strength. Save us

from hurt all our days, O Powers!

>

> Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90

> One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal,

and deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does

not desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head.

>

> Atharva Veda Samhita 10. 191. 4 says-

> Peaceful be the earth, peaceful the ether, peaceful heaven, peaceful the

waters, peaceful the herbs, peaceful the trees. May all Gods bring me peace. May

there be peace through these invocations of peace. With these invocations of

peace which appease everything, I render peaceful whatever here is terrible,

whatever here is cruel, whatever here is sinful. Let it become auspicious, let

everything be beneficial to us.

>

> Atharva Veda Samhita 19.48.5. FS, 90

> Those noble souls who practice meditation and other yogic ways, who are ever

careful about all beings, who protect all animals, are the ones who are actually

serious about spiritual practices.

>

> Atharva Veda Samhita 6.120.1. VE, 636

> If we have injured space, the earth or heaven, or if we have offended mother

or father, from that may Agni, fire of the house, absolve us and guide us safely

to the world of goodness.

>

> The Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90 says-

> You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, whether they

are human, animal or whatever.

>

> Yajur Veda 36.18.

> May all beings look at me with a friendly eye. May I do likewise, and may we

all look on each other with the eyes of a friend.

>

> Krishna Yajur Veda, Prana Upanishad 46-8. VE, 413-14 says

> Nonviolence is all the offerings. Renunciation is the priestly honorarium. The

final purification is death. Thus all the Divinities are established in this

body.

>

> Shukla Yajur Veda Samhita 36.17-18. VE, 306; 342 says-

> To the heavens be peace, to the sky and the earth; to the waters be peace, to

plants and all trees; to the Gods be peace, to Brahman be peace, to all men be

peace, again and again-peace also to me! O earthen vessel, strengthen me. May

all beings regard me with friendly eyes! May I look upon all creatures with

friendly eyes! With a friend's eye may we regard each other!

>

> all without any malice towards all the meat lovers

>

> rao nr

>

> , " sanjaytechnology "

<sanjaytechnology@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > All:

> >

> > Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> > here...hopefully. ...

> >

> > Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> > food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> > humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> > bear with me and go through this posting.

> >

> > I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> > am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> > extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> > a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> > on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> > plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> > you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> > life energy.

> >

> > What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> > those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> > they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> > we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> > meat to produce meat in our bodies.

> >

> > There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> > are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> > food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> > highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> > becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> > into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> > the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> > flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

> >

> > Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> > evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> > bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> > long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> > stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> > food, there will be no odors.

> >

> > Remember meat is created from food.

> >

> > Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> > seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> > Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> > this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> > pure.

> >

> > The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> > will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> > digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> > will be very good for spiritual growth.

> >

> > I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> > and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> > so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> > salads :-).

> >

> > Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

> >

> > --Sanjay Aggarwal

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

Respcetd sir,

 

I fear you are not going through my mail properly and branding me as " Tamil

fanatic " which i strongly decline.

 

Secondly my refernce was only vegetraianism is called saivam in tamil and

vaishnov in north.

 

I exactly say the same thing as you say when it was made compulsary for only

brahmins, it resulted in making most of the country vegetarian and conversly if

it was made compulsary for all, then it would have lost its relevance.

 

I took this view from Kanchi Paramachryas volumes only.

 

One thing i am afraid Prashantji: Please go through my mails throughly and just

do not accuse like this. Vedas do say " Ahimsa Paramo Dharma " but they dont

force it. The greatness lies there and that is why India is 30% + veg

 

 

 

Again Pasubali in yagnya is accepted.

 

regards

 

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

 

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

Re: Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 11:59 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sankar,

 

again this is far from truth

 

u r almost implying ppl from North took their learning from just tamils? which

scholars exchanged these ideas u will find greek, chineese travelers who came

saw, learnt something from India or vedic land but any from tamil land so far?

 

u will be surprised North India is 60-65% Veg they r not all brahmins surely who

r mere less than 3% of all india and may be UP esp varanasi has a higher %age.

 

in Homas, Yagnas Brahmins did partake the Bali or offering to Agnihotra, but as

it became more mechanical and cruel as a means to feast than pacify the neeeds

of a person who was advised such pallatives it became a superstition and Budhas,

Mahavir's entry did shun such crimes on voiceless beings

 

Adi Shankara who came and re-ignited theVedic culture, its spirit in the right

direction as it lost its course he brough back the importance of not harming,

eating living beings esp by hunting, culling, killingetc

 

the 4 ashrams he set up, Bhadrinath, Kedarnath, Sringerim Puri did take the

message forward to the respective regions.

 

vedic culture is basicall non violent, vegiteran and also sees the paratama in

all living forms and even stones, plants, gems, etc so that u learnt to

preserve, conserve natural habitats, flora and fauna. what the forest guards r

supposed to do now but never do

 

our Varnashrama r based on nature the Brahmacharya and Vrudha avastha is

nurturing with nature and also giving back to nature what we consumed in this

life with good energy still in our body and mind a thank u mother nature

 

this also helped in allowing the children to become more indipendent, respecting

elders and took over and gave back the same values to the next generation

today we r at the worst level elders become old ppl and unwanted ppl as they

interfere in the name of experience in all matters good or bad instead of

guiding they look down or demean erring yoingsters, if after imparting values

and guidlines seeing the settle and they moved away the respect they had for

their systems elders lived for long time. but like all good things a stale

situation with mechanical approach is the downfall o f good values, Besha ,

Kalaa Paristhiti has to be consistantly changing, adapting to times. not blidnly

following old ones and not adapting them to our times. [need based]

 

Best wishes

 

____________ _________ _________ __

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ >

 

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:41:46 PM

Re: Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Dear Friend

 

My views are like this.

 

Hinduism though considers Vegetarianisam as the highest thing, it dose not make

it compulsary for all except Brahmins. The speciality is the religion dose not

forces anything on every one.

 

It made it compulsary for Brahmins only ( they are exempted whe they take a

pepper size from yagna sacrifice) and by seeing them practising it, the others

have started voluntarily. Like Saiva Pillais, Saiva Mudaliyars, Saiva Gounders

in Tamil nadu or say Bhanias, Marwaris, etc of North ( intrestingly

vegetaniarisam is called saivam here and vaishnov in north. That itself can be

another topic) practise voluntarily.

 

When Sri Bhudda forced vegetarianism on all and sundry, the result is that all

buddhists including bhikshus eat meat. ( in china people eat every thing)

Intrestingly the muslims who went for selling meat, converted all of malaysia

and indonesia.

 

Hinduism as a religion dosenot forces any thing on every body. It made that

compulsary for brahmins and seeing that 30% of the country is vegetarian

voluntarily.

 

Kshtriyas eat non veg and we have great Janaka, Yudishtra, Prahlada, Mahabali

among spritually divine.

 

Regards

 

Sankar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, rajeswar <sarvadu > wrote:

 

rajeswar <sarvadu >

Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 12:19 PM

 

Dear Sanjaytechnology

 

Being a vegetarian or non-vegetarian remains a matter of ones choice. I believe

being vegetarian is a better way to a healthy living. Maamsam maamsena

vriddhathe meaning meat only increases the meaty things in us. it increases the

tamasic tatwa in us. for spiritual evolution one has to be satvic. Any say about

that? The scriptures unambiguously support the meatless way of life. Here are

what they have to say-

 

In the Mahabharata, for instance, (read Anu.114.11) the great warrior Bhishma

explains to Yudhishtira, eldest of the Pandava princes, that the meat of animals

is like the flesh of one's own son, and that the foolish person who eats meat

must be considered the vilest of human beings.

 

Similarly, the Manusmriti declares that one should 'refrain from eating all

kinds of meat,' for such eating involves killing and leads to karmic bondage

(bandha).

 

Elsewhere in the Vedic literature, the last of the great Vedic kings, Maharajah

Parikshit, is quoted as saying that 'only the animal-killer cannot relish the

message of the Absolute Truth [shrimad Bhagavatam 10.1.4].

 

The Hindu scriptures also speak clearly and forcefully on non killing and

vegetarianism.

 

In the ancient Rig Veda, we read: " O vegetable, be succulent, wholesome,

strengthening; and thus, body, be fully grown. "

 

The Yajur Veda summarily dictates: " Do not injure the beings living on the

earth, in the air and in the water.

 

The Manu Samhita advises: " Having well considered the origin of flesh and the

cruelty of fettering and slaying of corporeal beings, let one entirely abstain

from eating flesh. "

 

The roots of non injury non killing and nonconsumption of meat are found in the

Vedas, agamas, Upanishads, Dharma Shastras, Tirumurai, Yoga Sutras and dozens of

other sacred texts of Hinduism. Here is a select collection.

 

Vedas and agamas, Hinduism's Revealed Scriptures

 

The Rig Veda Samhita 10.191 says-

LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be of

one mind, so you may live well together.

 

Rig Veda Samhita 10.37.11. VE, 319

Protect both our species, two-legged and four-legged. Both food and water for

their needs supply. May they with us increase in stature and strength. Save us

from hurt all our days, O Powers!

 

Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90

One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal, and

deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does not

desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 10. 191. 4 says-

Peaceful be the earth, peaceful the ether, peaceful heaven, peaceful the waters,

peaceful the herbs, peaceful the trees. May all Gods bring me peace. May there

be peace through these invocations of peace. With these invocations of peace

which appease everything, I render peaceful whatever here is terrible, whatever

here is cruel, whatever here is sinful. Let it become auspicious, let everything

be beneficial to us.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 19.48.5. FS, 90

Those noble souls who practice meditation and other yogic ways, who are ever

careful about all beings, who protect all animals, are the ones who are actually

serious about spiritual practices.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 6.120.1. VE, 636

If we have injured space, the earth or heaven, or if we have offended mother or

father, from that may Agni, fire of the house, absolve us and guide us safely to

the world of goodness.

 

The Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90 says-

You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, whether they

are human, animal or whatever.

 

Yajur Veda 36.18.

May all beings look at me with a friendly eye. May I do likewise, and may we all

look on each other with the eyes of a friend.

 

Krishna Yajur Veda, Prana Upanishad 46-8. VE, 413-14 says

Nonviolence is all the offerings. Renunciation is the priestly honorarium. The

final purification is death. Thus all the Divinities are established in this

body.

 

Shukla Yajur Veda Samhita 36.17-18. VE, 306; 342 says-

To the heavens be peace, to the sky and the earth; to the waters be peace, to

plants and all trees; to the Gods be peace, to Brahman be peace, to all men be

peace, again and again-peace also to me! O earthen vessel, strengthen me. May

all beings regard me with friendly eyes! May I look upon all creatures with

friendly eyes! With a friend's eye may we regard each other!

 

all without any malice towards all the meat lovers

 

rao nr

 

, " sanjaytechnology " <sanjaytechnology@

....> wrote:

>

> All:

>

> Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> here...hopefully. ...

>

> Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> bear with me and go through this posting.

>

> I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> life energy.

>

> What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> meat to produce meat in our bodies.

>

> There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

>

> Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> food, there will be no odors.

>

> Remember meat is created from food.

>

> Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> pure.

>

> The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> will be very good for spiritual growth.

>

> I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> salads :-).

>

> Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear sir,

 

Again this the greatness of vedas. When bengal is floodded in mansoon then the

only food available is fish. Hence it is allowed. even offerd to durga.

 

Simillarlly when Kashmir is snowed, goat is allowed.

 

But east brahmins eating meat and kashmir eating fish is atrotious.That is not

allowed.

 

That is what i repeat. Though Vedas say Ahimsa Paramo Dharma " , they dont force

it.

 

it shoes the way, it gives light. we need to walk "

 

regards

 

sanakr

 

regards

 

sankar

 

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Thursday, July 23, 2009, 4:27 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting discussion! Kind of in keeping with the adage, " You are what you

eat! " AND that can be interpreted and reinterpreted in many different ways. I

once read a scientific study by a nutritionist from Manitoba, Canada (Virginia

Messier or similar name) who provided clinical observations that diabetics

responded better to therapy and overall were better controlled when on a

vegetarian diet as opposed to non-vegetarian and fatty diets -- so obviously

vegetarian is the way to go for diabetics for sure!

 

Now in this august discussion may I introduce the belief and practice observed

by East Indian Brahmins from the Bengali culture? While strict vegetarion on

Ekadashi and similar days, they have been partaking of fish, which I believe is

non-vegetarian (animal and flesh!) although some hard-core non-vegetarians call

fish as Jal tori or Jal Turahi. Tori/Turaih is a vegetable an elongated

vegetable. I have no clue what it is botanically or whether a squash or just a

long bean or whatever.

 

That said, Mrigayaa was a favorite pastime of even very ancient kings from what

I have heard and I am sure they were not just killing birds and animals just for

fun but for essentially participating in the FOOD-CHAIN DHARMA of living beings!

 

Such diversity in this Universe created by ONE and ONLY GOD!

 

RR

 

, " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@

....> wrote:

>

> Dear Friend

>  

> My views are like this.

>  

> Hinduism though considers Vegetarianisam as the highest thing, it dose not

make it compulsary for all except Brahmins. The speciality is the religion dose

not forces anything on every one.

>  

> It made it compulsary for Brahmins only ( they are exempted whe they take a

pepper size from yagna sacrifice) and by seeing them practising it, the others

have started voluntarily. Like Saiva Pillais, Saiva Mudaliyars, Saiva Gounders

in Tamil nadu or say Bhanias, Marwaris, etc of North ( intrestingly

vegetaniarisam is called saivam here and vaishnov in north. That itself can be

another topic) practise voluntarily.

>  

> When Sri Bhudda forced vegetarianism on all and sundry, the result is that all

buddhists including bhikshus eat meat. ( in china people eat every thing)

Intrestingly the muslims who went for selling meat, converted all of malaysia

and indonesia.

>  

> Hinduism as a religion dosenot forces any thing on every body. It made that

compulsary for brahmins and seeing that 30% of the country is vegetarian

voluntarily.

>  

> Kshtriyas eat non veg and we have great Janaka, Yudishtra, Prahlada, Mahabali

among spritually divine.

>  

> Regards

>  

> Sankar

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>

>

> --- On Wed, 7/22/09, rajeswar <sarvadu > wrote:

>

>

> rajeswar <sarvadu >

> Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

>

> Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 12:19 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Sanjaytechnology

>

> Being a vegetarian or non-vegetarian remains a matter of ones choice. I

believe being vegetarian is a better way to a healthy living. Maamsam maamsena

vriddhathe meaning meat only increases the meaty things in us. it increases the

tamasic tatwa in us. for spiritual evolution one has to be satvic. Any say about

that? The scriptures unambiguously support the meatless way of life. Here are

what they have to say-

>

> In the Mahabharata, for instance, (read Anu.114.11) the great warrior Bhishma

explains to Yudhishtira, eldest of the Pandava princes, that the meat of animals

is like the flesh of one's own son, and that the foolish person who eats meat

must be considered the vilest of human beings.

>

> Similarly, the Manusmriti declares that one should 'refrain from eating all

kinds of meat,' for such eating involves killing and leads to karmic bondage

(bandha).

>

> Elsewhere in the Vedic literature, the last of the great Vedic kings,

Maharajah Parikshit, is quoted as saying that 'only the animal-killer cannot

relish the message of the Absolute Truth [shrimad Bhagavatam 10.1.4].

>

> The Hindu scriptures also speak clearly and forcefully on non killing and

vegetarianism.

>

> In the ancient Rig Veda, we read: " O vegetable, be succulent, wholesome,

strengthening; and thus, body, be fully grown. "

>

> The Yajur Veda summarily dictates: " Do not injure the beings living on the

earth, in the air and in the water.

>

> The Manu Samhita advises: " Having well considered the origin of flesh and the

cruelty of fettering and slaying of corporeal beings, let one entirely abstain

from eating flesh. "

>

> The roots of non injury non killing and nonconsumption of meat are found in

the Vedas, agamas, Upanishads, Dharma Shastras, Tirumurai, Yoga Sutras and

dozens of other sacred texts of Hinduism. Here is a select collection.

>

> Vedas and agamas, Hinduism's Revealed Scriptures

>

> The Rig Veda Samhita 10.191 says-

> LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be

of one mind, so you may live well together.

>

> Rig Veda Samhita 10.37.11. VE, 319

> Protect both our species, two-legged and four-legged. Both food and water for

their needs supply. May they with us increase in stature and strength. Save us

from hurt all our days, O Powers!

>

> Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90

> One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal,

and deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does

not desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head.

>

> Atharva Veda Samhita 10. 191. 4 says-

> Peaceful be the earth, peaceful the ether, peaceful heaven, peaceful the

waters, peaceful the herbs, peaceful the trees. May all Gods bring me peace. May

there be peace through these invocations of peace. With these invocations of

peace which appease everything, I render peaceful whatever here is terrible,

whatever here is cruel, whatever here is sinful. Let it become auspicious, let

everything be beneficial to us.

>

> Atharva Veda Samhita 19.48.5. FS, 90

> Those noble souls who practice meditation and other yogic ways, who are ever

careful about all beings, who protect all animals, are the ones who are actually

serious about spiritual practices.

>

> Atharva Veda Samhita 6.120.1. VE, 636

> If we have injured space, the earth or heaven, or if we have offended mother

or father, from that may Agni, fire of the house, absolve us and guide us safely

to the world of goodness.

>

> The Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90 says-

> You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, whether they

are human, animal or whatever.

>

> Yajur Veda 36.18.

> May all beings look at me with a friendly eye. May I do likewise, and may we

all look on each other with the eyes of a friend.

>

> Krishna Yajur Veda, Prana Upanishad 46-8. VE, 413-14 says

> Nonviolence is all the offerings. Renunciation is the priestly honorarium. The

final purification is death. Thus all the Divinities are established in this

body.

>

> Shukla Yajur Veda Samhita 36.17-18. VE, 306; 342 says-

> To the heavens be peace, to the sky and the earth; to the waters be peace, to

plants and all trees; to the Gods be peace, to Brahman be peace, to all men be

peace, again and again-peace also to me! O earthen vessel, strengthen me. May

all beings regard me with friendly eyes! May I look upon all creatures with

friendly eyes! With a friend's eye may we regard each other!

>

> all without any malice towards all the meat lovers

>

> rao nr

>

> , " sanjaytechnology "

<sanjaytechnology@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > All:

> >

> > Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> > here...hopefully. ...

> >

> > Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> > food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> > humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> > bear with me and go through this posting.

> >

> > I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> > am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> > extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> > a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> > on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> > plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> > you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> > life energy.

> >

> > What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> > those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> > they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> > we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> > meat to produce meat in our bodies.

> >

> > There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> > are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> > food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> > highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> > becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> > into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> > the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> > flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

> >

> > Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> > evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> > bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> > long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> > stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> > food, there will be no odors.

> >

> > Remember meat is created from food.

> >

> > Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> > seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> > Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> > this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> > pure.

> >

> > The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> > will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> > digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> > will be very good for spiritual growth.

> >

> > I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> > and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> > so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> > salads :-).

> >

> > Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

> >

> > --Sanjay Aggarwal

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

Sankar

 

the quoted part shows why i said so if u did not mean so, then i can stand

corrected...

 

....// ..

It made it compulsary for Brahmins only ( they are exempted whe they

take a pepper size from yagna sacrifice) and by seeing them practising

it, the others have started voluntarily. Like Saiva Pillais, Saiva

Mudaliyars, Saiva Gounders in Tamil nadu or say Bhanias, Marwaris, etc

of North ( intrestingly vegetarianism is called saivam here and

vaishnov in north ///

 

mow u say others picked it from Brahmins and so too the rest of North?

 

i doubt it is made cumpolsury for Brahmins also, those who breached establised

rules for a practicing Brahmin he had toeat, live insatvic life style once he

fell apart he was outlawed or thrownout from the agraharam and not part of any

religious or cultural activity within the community it is a precondition to be a

vedic scholar, priest, pundit whatever and all who wanted or belived in their

words, works did follow suit by choice seeing the wisdom in it.

 

well Elephant is the strongest of mamels and a 100^ veg and the mightiest of

them all long lived unlike the cornivorous ones who had short term strenght and

short life as well

 

 

Prashant

 

 

 

________________________________

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan

 

Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:51:05 AM

Re: Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

 

Respcetd sir,

 

I fear you are not going through my mail properly and branding me as " Tamil

fanatic " which i strongly decline.

 

Secondly my refernce was only vegetraianism is called saivam in tamil and

vaishnov in north.

 

I exactly say the same thing as you say when it was made compulsary for only

brahmins, it resulted in making most of the country vegetarian and conversly if

it was made compulsary for all, then it would have lost its relevance.

 

I took this view from Kanchi Paramachryas volumes only.

 

One thing i am afraid Prashantji: Please go through my mails throughly and just

do not accuse like this. Vedas do say " Ahimsa Paramo Dharma " but they dont

force it. The greatness lies there and that is why India is 30% + veg

 

 

 

Again Pasubali in yagnya is accepted.

 

regards

 

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote:

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

Re: Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 11:59 PM

 

 

 

Sankar,

 

again this is far from truth

 

u r almost implying ppl from North took their learning from just tamils? which

scholars exchanged these ideas u will find greek, chineese travelers who came

saw, learnt something from India or vedic land but any from tamil land so far?

 

u will be surprised North India is 60-65% Veg they r not all brahmins surely who

r mere less than 3% of all india and may be UP esp varanasi has a higher %age.

 

in Homas, Yagnas Brahmins did partake the Bali or offering to Agnihotra, but as

it became more mechanical and cruel as a means to feast than pacify the neeeds

of a person who was advised such pallatives it became a superstition and Budhas,

Mahavir's entry did shun such crimes on voiceless beings

 

Adi Shankara who came and re-ignited theVedic culture, its spirit in the right

direction as it lost its course he brough back the importance of not harming,

eating living beings esp by hunting, culling, killingetc

 

the 4 ashrams he set up, Bhadrinath, Kedarnath, Sringerim Puri did take the

message forward to the respective regions.

 

vedic culture is basicall non violent, vegiteran and also sees the paratama in

all living forms and even stones, plants, gems, etc so that u learnt to

preserve, conserve natural habitats, flora and fauna. what the forest guards r

supposed to do now but never do

 

our Varnashrama r based on nature the Brahmacharya and Vrudha avastha is

nurturing with nature and also giving back to nature what we consumed in this

life with good energy still in our body and mind a thank u mother nature

 

this also helped in allowing the children to become more indipendent, respecting

elders and took over and gave back the same values to the next generation

today we r at the worst level elders become old ppl and unwanted ppl as they

interfere in the name of experience in all matters good or bad instead of

guiding they look down or demean erring yoingsters, if after imparting values

and guidlines seeing the settle and they moved away the respect they had for

their systems elders lived for long time. but like all good things a stale

situation with mechanical approach is the downfall o f good values, Besha ,

Kalaa Paristhiti has to be consistantly changing, adapting to times. not blidnly

following old ones and not adapting them to our times. [need based]

 

Best wishes

 

____________ _________ _________ __

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ >

 

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:41:46 PM

Re: Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Dear Friend

 

My views are like this.

 

Hinduism though considers Vegetarianisam as the highest thing, it dose not make

it compulsary for all except Brahmins. The speciality is the religion dose not

forces anything on every one.

 

It made it compulsary for Brahmins only ( they are exempted whe they take a

pepper size from yagna sacrifice) and by seeing them practising it, the others

have started voluntarily. Like Saiva Pillais, Saiva Mudaliyars, Saiva Gounders

in Tamil nadu or say Bhanias, Marwaris, etc of North ( intrestingly

vegetaniarisam is called saivam here and vaishnov in north. That itself can be

another topic) practise voluntarily.

 

When Sri Bhudda forced vegetarianism on all and sundry, the result is that all

buddhists including bhikshus eat meat. ( in china people eat every thing)

Intrestingly the muslims who went for selling meat, converted all of malaysia

and indonesia.

 

Hinduism as a religion dosenot forces any thing on every body. It made that

compulsary for brahmins and seeing that 30% of the country is vegetarian

voluntarily.

 

Kshtriyas eat non veg and we have great Janaka, Yudishtra, Prahlada, Mahabali

among spritually divine.

 

Regards

 

Sankar

 

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, rajeswar <sarvadu > wrote:

 

rajeswar <sarvadu >

Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 12:19 PM

 

Dear Sanjaytechnology

 

Being a vegetarian or non-vegetarian remains a matter of ones choice. I believe

being vegetarian is a better way to a healthy living. Maamsam maamsena

vriddhathe meaning meat only increases the meaty things in us. it increases the

tamasic tatwa in us. for spiritual evolution one has to be satvic. Any say about

that? The scriptures unambiguously support the meatless way of life. Here are

what they have to say-

 

In the Mahabharata, for instance, (read Anu.114.11) the great warrior Bhishma

explains to Yudhishtira, eldest of the Pandava princes, that the meat of animals

is like the flesh of one's own son, and that the foolish person who eats meat

must be considered the vilest of human beings.

 

Similarly, the Manusmriti declares that one should 'refrain from eating all

kinds of meat,' for such eating involves killing and leads to karmic bondage

(bandha).

 

Elsewhere in the Vedic literature, the last of the great Vedic kings, Maharajah

Parikshit, is quoted as saying that 'only the animal-killer cannot relish the

message of the Absolute Truth [shrimad Bhagavatam 10.1.4].

 

The Hindu scriptures also speak clearly and forcefully on non killing and

vegetarianism.

 

In the ancient Rig Veda, we read: " O vegetable, be succulent, wholesome,

strengthening; and thus, body, be fully grown. "

 

The Yajur Veda summarily dictates: " Do not injure the beings living on the

earth, in the air and in the water.

 

The Manu Samhita advises: " Having well considered the origin of flesh and the

cruelty of fettering and slaying of corporeal beings, let one entirely abstain

from eating flesh. "

 

The roots of non injury non killing and nonconsumption of meat are found in the

Vedas, agamas, Upanishads, Dharma Shastras, Tirumurai, Yoga Sutras and dozens of

other sacred texts of Hinduism. Here is a select collection.

 

Vedas and agamas, Hinduism's Revealed Scriptures

 

The Rig Veda Samhita 10.191 says-

LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be of

one mind, so you may live well together.

 

Rig Veda Samhita 10.37.11. VE, 319

Protect both our species, two-legged and four-legged. Both food and water for

their needs supply. May they with us increase in stature and strength. Save us

from hurt all our days, O Powers!

 

Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90

One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal, and

deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does not

desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 10. 191. 4 says-

Peaceful be the earth, peaceful the ether, peaceful heaven, peaceful the waters,

peaceful the herbs, peaceful the trees. May all Gods bring me peace. May there

be peace through these invocations of peace. With these invocations of peace

which appease everything, I render peaceful whatever here is terrible, whatever

here is cruel, whatever here is sinful. Let it become auspicious, let everything

be beneficial to us.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 19.48.5. FS, 90

Those noble souls who practice meditation and other yogic ways, who are ever

careful about all beings, who protect all animals, are the ones who are actually

serious about spiritual practices.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 6.120.1. VE, 636

If we have injured space, the earth or heaven, or if we have offended mother or

father, from that may Agni, fire of the house, absolve us and guide us safely to

the world of goodness.

 

The Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90 says-

You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, whether they

are human, animal or whatever.

 

Yajur Veda 36.18.

May all beings look at me with a friendly eye. May I do likewise, and may we all

look on each other with the eyes of a friend.

 

Krishna Yajur Veda, Prana Upanishad 46-8. VE, 413-14 says

Nonviolence is all the offerings. Renunciation is the priestly honorarium. The

final purification is death. Thus all the Divinities are established in this

body.

 

Shukla Yajur Veda Samhita 36.17-18. VE, 306; 342 says-

To the heavens be peace, to the sky and the earth; to the waters be peace, to

plants and all trees; to the Gods be peace, to Brahman be peace, to all men be

peace, again and again-peace also to me! O earthen vessel, strengthen me. May

all beings regard me with friendly eyes! May I look upon all creatures with

friendly eyes! With a friend's eye may we regard each other!

 

all without any malice towards all the meat lovers

 

rao nr

 

, " sanjaytechnology " <sanjaytechnology@

....> wrote:

>

> All:

>

> Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> here...hopefully. ...

>

> Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> bear with me and go through this posting.

>

> I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> life energy.

>

> What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> meat to produce meat in our bodies.

>

> There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

>

> Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> food, there will be no odors.

>

> Remember meat is created from food.

>

> Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> pure.

>

> The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> will be very good for spiritual growth.

>

> I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> salads :-).

>

> Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

So, why something this perfect needs ordinary creatures like you and me to

remind others about this Great Dharma?

 

Why does Dharma need human beings?

 

RR

 

, " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan wrote:

>

> Respected sir, Exactly. This sanatana dharma is time less and the name

hinduism is given by others. I am currently reading the seven volumes of Kanchi

Paramacharya's lectures. He was referring about the vegetarianism and sanyas.

When it was given for all and sundry both have lost its dignity.

>  

> However Jainism by way of strict practising by sanyasis ( for whom sanyas was

not given just like that), made every jain vegetarian.

>  

> Our dhrama allows the fruit to ripe on its own through various births.

>  

> regards

>  

> sankar

>

> --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

>

> Thursday, July 23, 2009, 5:23 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Pardon my naive statement, Sankaranarayanan ji, but I have heard that

*Hinduism* is not a religion but the original state where Humanity and Divinity

were not SEPARATED yet?

>

> RE-LIGION implies that something joined (ligated; Ligion) [with source] again

(Re)!

>

> The newer religions including Buddhism (no disrespect intended!)indeed are

RE-LIGIONS where a new path was needed, not because religion was not working,

but because the Water had gone stale and needed a new path to freshen and

re-fresh the original message!

>

> Hinduism is kind of unique and please correct me if I am wrong and it is

original SANATAN, as they call HER! So How can we call Hinduism a RE-LIGION?

When it is the Original ;-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friend

> >  

> > My views are like this.

> >  

> > Hinduism though considers Vegetarianisam as the highest thing, it dose not

make it compulsary for all except Brahmins. The speciality is the religion dose

not forces anything on every one.

> >  

> > It made it compulsary for Brahmins only ( they are exempted whe they take a

pepper size from yagna sacrifice) and by seeing them practising it, the others

have started voluntarily. Like Saiva Pillais, Saiva Mudaliyars, Saiva Gounders

in Tamil nadu or say Bhanias, Marwaris, etc of North ( intrestingly

vegetaniarisam is called saivam here and vaishnov in north. That itself can be

another topic) practise voluntarily.

> >  

> > When Sri Bhudda forced vegetarianism on all and sundry, the result is that

all buddhists including bhikshus eat meat. ( in china people eat every thing)

Intrestingly the muslims who went for selling meat, converted all of malaysia

and indonesia.

> >  

> > Hinduism as a religion dosenot forces any thing on every body. It made that

compulsary for brahmins and seeing that 30% of the country is vegetarian

voluntarily.

> >  

> > Kshtriyas eat non veg and we have great Janaka, Yudishtra, Prahlada,

Mahabali among spritually divine.

> >  

> > Regards

> >  

> > Sankar

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >

> >

> > --- On Wed, 7/22/09, rajeswar <sarvadu@ > wrote:

> >

> >

> > rajeswar <sarvadu@ >

> > Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

> >

> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 12:19 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sanjaytechnology

> >

> > Being a vegetarian or non-vegetarian remains a matter of ones choice. I

believe being vegetarian is a better way to a healthy living. Maamsam maamsena

vriddhathe meaning meat only increases the meaty things in us. it increases the

tamasic tatwa in us. for spiritual evolution one has to be satvic. Any say about

that? The scriptures unambiguously support the meatless way of life. Here are

what they have to say-

> >

> > In the Mahabharata, for instance, (read Anu.114.11) the great warrior

Bhishma explains to Yudhishtira, eldest of the Pandava princes, that the meat of

animals is like the flesh of one's own son, and that the foolish person who eats

meat must be considered the vilest of human beings.

> >

> > Similarly, the Manusmriti declares that one should 'refrain from eating all

kinds of meat,' for such eating involves killing and leads to karmic bondage

(bandha).

> >

> > Elsewhere in the Vedic literature, the last of the great Vedic kings,

Maharajah Parikshit, is quoted as saying that 'only the animal-killer cannot

relish the message of the Absolute Truth [shrimad Bhagavatam 10.1.4].

> >

> > The Hindu scriptures also speak clearly and forcefully on non killing and

vegetarianism.

> >

> > In the ancient Rig Veda, we read: " O vegetable, be succulent, wholesome,

strengthening; and thus, body, be fully grown. "

> >

> > The Yajur Veda summarily dictates: " Do not injure the beings living on the

earth, in the air and in the water.

> >

> > The Manu Samhita advises: " Having well considered the origin of flesh and

the cruelty of fettering and slaying of corporeal beings, let one entirely

abstain from eating flesh. "

> >

> > The roots of non injury non killing and nonconsumption of meat are found in

the Vedas, agamas, Upanishads, Dharma Shastras, Tirumurai, Yoga Sutras and

dozens of other sacred texts of Hinduism. Here is a select collection.

> >

> > Vedas and agamas, Hinduism's Revealed Scriptures

> >

> > The Rig Veda Samhita 10.191 says-

> > LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be

of one mind, so you may live well together.

> >

> > Rig Veda Samhita 10.37.11. VE, 319

> > Protect both our species, two-legged and four-legged. Both food and water

for their needs supply. May they with us increase in stature and strength. Save

us from hurt all our days, O Powers!

> >

> > Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90

> > One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal,

and deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does

not desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head.

> >

> > Atharva Veda Samhita 10. 191. 4 says-

> > Peaceful be the earth, peaceful the ether, peaceful heaven, peaceful the

waters, peaceful the herbs, peaceful the trees. May all Gods bring me peace. May

there be peace through these invocations of peace. With these invocations of

peace which appease everything, I render peaceful whatever here is terrible,

whatever here is cruel, whatever here is sinful. Let it become auspicious, let

everything be beneficial to us.

> >

> > Atharva Veda Samhita 19.48.5. FS, 90

> > Those noble souls who practice meditation and other yogic ways, who are ever

careful about all beings, who protect all animals, are the ones who are actually

serious about spiritual practices.

> >

> > Atharva Veda Samhita 6.120.1. VE, 636

> > If we have injured space, the earth or heaven, or if we have offended mother

or father, from that may Agni, fire of the house, absolve us and guide us safely

to the world of goodness.

> >

> > The Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90 says-

> > You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, whether

they are human, animal or whatever.

> >

> > Yajur Veda 36.18.

> > May all beings look at me with a friendly eye. May I do likewise, and may we

all look on each other with the eyes of a friend.

> >

> > Krishna Yajur Veda, Prana Upanishad 46-8. VE, 413-14 says

> > Nonviolence is all the offerings. Renunciation is the priestly honorarium.

The final purification is death. Thus all the Divinities are established in this

body.

> >

> > Shukla Yajur Veda Samhita 36.17-18. VE, 306; 342 says-

> > To the heavens be peace, to the sky and the earth; to the waters be peace,

to plants and all trees; to the Gods be peace, to Brahman be peace, to all men

be peace, again and again-peace also to me! O earthen vessel, strengthen me. May

all beings regard me with friendly eyes! May I look upon all creatures with

friendly eyes! With a friend's eye may we regard each other!

> >

> > all without any malice towards all the meat lovers

> >

> > rao nr

> >

> > , " sanjaytechnology "

<sanjaytechnology@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > All:

> > >

> > > Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> > > here...hopefully. ...

> > >

> > > Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> > > food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> > > humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> > > bear with me and go through this posting.

> > >

> > > I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> > > am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> > > extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> > > a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> > > on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> > > plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> > > you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> > > life energy.

> > >

> > > What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> > > those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> > > they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> > > we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> > > meat to produce meat in our bodies.

> > >

> > > There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> > > are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> > > food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> > > highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> > > becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> > > into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> > > the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> > > flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

> > >

> > > Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> > > evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> > > bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> > > long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> > > stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> > > food, there will be no odors.

> > >

> > > Remember meat is created from food.

> > >

> > > Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> > > seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> > > Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> > > this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> > > pure.

> > >

> > > The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> > > will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> > > digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> > > will be very good for spiritual growth.

> > >

> > > I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> > > and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> > > so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> > > salads :-).

> > >

> > > Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

> > >

> > > --Sanjay Aggarwal

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Respected sir,

 

Again this is how the creation is done. The maya plays. It is his game.

 

People will behave differently, The advising is also part of the cycle. Hinduism

only advises and not forcing. It highlights karma theory.

 

Both the advisor and advised go through the cycle. At one time god stops the

cycle through pralaya and again restarts.

 

Even the one who is writing will be in the grip of maya and may do exactly

different things.

 

regards

 

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:50 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, why something this perfect needs ordinary creatures like you and me to

remind others about this Great Dharma?

 

Why does Dharma need human beings?

 

RR

 

, " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@

....> wrote:

>

> Respected sir, Exactly. This sanatana dharma is time less and the name

hinduism is given by others. I am currently reading the seven volumes of Kanchi

Paramacharya' s lectures. He was referring about the vegetarianism and sanyas.

When it was given for all and sundry both have lost its dignity.

>  

> However Jainism by way of strict practising by sanyasis ( for whom sanyas was

not given just like that), made every jain vegetarian.

>  

> Our dhrama allows the fruit to ripe on its own through various births.

>  

> regards

>  

> sankar

>

> --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

>

> Thursday, July 23, 2009, 5:23 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Pardon my naive statement, Sankaranarayanan ji, but I have heard that

*Hinduism* is not a religion but the original state where Humanity and Divinity

were not SEPARATED yet?

>

> RE-LIGION implies that something joined (ligated; Ligion) [with source] again

(Re)!

>

> The newer religions including Buddhism (no disrespect intended!)indeed are

RE-LIGIONS where a new path was needed, not because religion was not working,

but because the Water had gone stale and needed a new path to freshen and

re-fresh the original message!

>

> Hinduism is kind of unique and please correct me if I am wrong and it is

original SANATAN, as they call HER! So How can we call Hinduism a RE-LIGION?

When it is the Original ;-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friend

> >  

> > My views are like this.

> >  

> > Hinduism though considers Vegetarianisam as the highest thing, it dose not

make it compulsary for all except Brahmins. The speciality is the religion dose

not forces anything on every one.

> >  

> > It made it compulsary for Brahmins only ( they are exempted whe they take a

pepper size from yagna sacrifice) and by seeing them practising it, the others

have started voluntarily. Like Saiva Pillais, Saiva Mudaliyars, Saiva Gounders

in Tamil nadu or say Bhanias, Marwaris, etc of North ( intrestingly

vegetaniarisam is called saivam here and vaishnov in north. That itself can be

another topic) practise voluntarily.

> >  

> > When Sri Bhudda forced vegetarianism on all and sundry, the result is that

all buddhists including bhikshus eat meat. ( in china people eat every thing)

Intrestingly the muslims who went for selling meat, converted all of malaysia

and indonesia.

> >  

> > Hinduism as a religion dosenot forces any thing on every body. It made that

compulsary for brahmins and seeing that 30% of the country is vegetarian

voluntarily.

> >  

> > Kshtriyas eat non veg and we have great Janaka, Yudishtra, Prahlada,

Mahabali among spritually divine.

> >  

> > Regards

> >  

> > Sankar

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >

> >

> > --- On Wed, 7/22/09, rajeswar <sarvadu@ > wrote:

> >

> >

> > rajeswar <sarvadu@ >

> > Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

> >

> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 12:19 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sanjaytechnology

> >

> > Being a vegetarian or non-vegetarian remains a matter of ones choice. I

believe being vegetarian is a better way to a healthy living. Maamsam maamsena

vriddhathe meaning meat only increases the meaty things in us. it increases the

tamasic tatwa in us. for spiritual evolution one has to be satvic. Any say about

that? The scriptures unambiguously support the meatless way of life. Here are

what they have to say-

> >

> > In the Mahabharata, for instance, (read Anu.114.11) the great warrior

Bhishma explains to Yudhishtira, eldest of the Pandava princes, that the meat of

animals is like the flesh of one's own son, and that the foolish person who eats

meat must be considered the vilest of human beings.

> >

> > Similarly, the Manusmriti declares that one should 'refrain from eating all

kinds of meat,' for such eating involves killing and leads to karmic bondage

(bandha).

> >

> > Elsewhere in the Vedic literature, the last of the great Vedic kings,

Maharajah Parikshit, is quoted as saying that 'only the animal-killer cannot

relish the message of the Absolute Truth [shrimad Bhagavatam 10.1.4].

> >

> > The Hindu scriptures also speak clearly and forcefully on non killing and

vegetarianism.

> >

> > In the ancient Rig Veda, we read: " O vegetable, be succulent, wholesome,

strengthening; and thus, body, be fully grown. "

> >

> > The Yajur Veda summarily dictates: " Do not injure the beings living on the

earth, in the air and in the water.

> >

> > The Manu Samhita advises: " Having well considered the origin of flesh and

the cruelty of fettering and slaying of corporeal beings, let one entirely

abstain from eating flesh. "

> >

> > The roots of non injury non killing and nonconsumption of meat are found in

the Vedas, agamas, Upanishads, Dharma Shastras, Tirumurai, Yoga Sutras and

dozens of other sacred texts of Hinduism. Here is a select collection.

> >

> > Vedas and agamas, Hinduism's Revealed Scriptures

> >

> > The Rig Veda Samhita 10.191 says-

> > LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be

of one mind, so you may live well together.

> >

> > Rig Veda Samhita 10.37.11. VE, 319

> > Protect both our species, two-legged and four-legged. Both food and water

for their needs supply. May they with us increase in stature and strength. Save

us from hurt all our days, O Powers!

> >

> > Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90

> > One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal,

and deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does

not desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head.

> >

> > Atharva Veda Samhita 10. 191. 4 says-

> > Peaceful be the earth, peaceful the ether, peaceful heaven, peaceful the

waters, peaceful the herbs, peaceful the trees. May all Gods bring me peace. May

there be peace through these invocations of peace. With these invocations of

peace which appease everything, I render peaceful whatever here is terrible,

whatever here is cruel, whatever here is sinful. Let it become auspicious, let

everything be beneficial to us.

> >

> > Atharva Veda Samhita 19.48.5. FS, 90

> > Those noble souls who practice meditation and other yogic ways, who are ever

careful about all beings, who protect all animals, are the ones who are actually

serious about spiritual practices.

> >

> > Atharva Veda Samhita 6.120.1. VE, 636

> > If we have injured space, the earth or heaven, or if we have offended mother

or father, from that may Agni, fire of the house, absolve us and guide us safely

to the world of goodness.

> >

> > The Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90 says-

> > You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, whether

they are human, animal or whatever.

> >

> > Yajur Veda 36.18.

> > May all beings look at me with a friendly eye. May I do likewise, and may we

all look on each other with the eyes of a friend.

> >

> > Krishna Yajur Veda, Prana Upanishad 46-8. VE, 413-14 says

> > Nonviolence is all the offerings. Renunciation is the priestly honorarium.

The final purification is death. Thus all the Divinities are established in this

body.

> >

> > Shukla Yajur Veda Samhita 36.17-18. VE, 306; 342 says-

> > To the heavens be peace, to the sky and the earth; to the waters be peace,

to plants and all trees; to the Gods be peace, to Brahman be peace, to all men

be peace, again and again-peace also to me! O earthen vessel, strengthen me. May

all beings regard me with friendly eyes! May I look upon all creatures with

friendly eyes! With a friend's eye may we regard each other!

> >

> > all without any malice towards all the meat lovers

> >

> > rao nr

> >

> > , " sanjaytechnology "

<sanjaytechnology@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > All:

> > >

> > > Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> > > here...hopefully. ...

> > >

> > > Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> > > food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> > > humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> > > bear with me and go through this posting.

> > >

> > > I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> > > am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> > > extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> > > a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> > > on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> > > plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> > > you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> > > life energy.

> > >

> > > What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> > > those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> > > they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> > > we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> > > meat to produce meat in our bodies.

> > >

> > > There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> > > are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> > > food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> > > highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> > > becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> > > into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> > > the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> > > flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

> > >

> > > Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> > > evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> > > bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> > > long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> > > stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> > > food, there will be no odors.

> > >

> > > Remember meat is created from food.

> > >

> > > Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> > > seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> > > Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> > > this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> > > pure.

> > >

> > > The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> > > will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> > > digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> > > will be very good for spiritual growth.

> > >

> > > I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> > > and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> > > so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> > > salads :-).

> > >

> > > Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

> > >

> > > --Sanjay Aggarwal

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashantji

 

Trust i have cleared in the other mails. If reqd will elobarate again. Will be

back by tonight

 

regards

 

sankar

 

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

 

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

Re: Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:48 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sankar

 

the quoted part shows why i said so if u did not mean so, then i can stand

corrected...

 

....// ..

It made it compulsary for Brahmins only ( they are exempted whe they

take a pepper size from yagna sacrifice) and by seeing them practising

it, the others have started voluntarily. Like Saiva Pillais, Saiva

Mudaliyars, Saiva Gounders in Tamil nadu or say Bhanias, Marwaris, etc

of North ( intrestingly vegetarianism is called saivam here and

vaishnov in north ///

 

mow u say others picked it from Brahmins and so too the rest of North?

 

i doubt it is made cumpolsury for Brahmins also, those who breached establised

rules for a practicing Brahmin he had toeat, live insatvic life style once he

fell apart he was outlawed or thrownout from the agraharam and not part of any

religious or cultural activity within the community it is a precondition to be a

vedic scholar, priest, pundit whatever and all who wanted or belived in their

words, works did follow suit by choice seeing the wisdom in it.

 

well Elephant is the strongest of mamels and a 100^ veg and the mightiest of

them all long lived unlike the cornivorous ones who had short term strenght and

short life as well

 

Prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ >

 

Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:51:05 AM

Re: Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Respcetd sir,

 

I fear you are not going through my mail properly and branding me as " Tamil

fanatic " which i strongly decline.

 

Secondly my refernce was only vegetraianism is called saivam in tamil and

vaishnov in north.

 

I exactly say the same thing as you say when it was made compulsary for only

brahmins, it resulted in making most of the country vegetarian and conversly if

it was made compulsary for all, then it would have lost its relevance.

 

I took this view from Kanchi Paramachryas volumes only.

 

One thing i am afraid Prashantji: Please go through my mails throughly and just

do not accuse like this. Vedas do say " Ahimsa Paramo Dharma " but they dont

force it. The greatness lies there and that is why India is 30% + veg

 

 

 

Again Pasubali in yagnya is accepted.

 

regards

 

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote:

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

Re: Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 11:59 PM

 

Sankar,

 

again this is far from truth

 

u r almost implying ppl from North took their learning from just tamils? which

scholars exchanged these ideas u will find greek, chineese travelers who came

saw, learnt something from India or vedic land but any from tamil land so far?

 

u will be surprised North India is 60-65% Veg they r not all brahmins surely who

r mere less than 3% of all india and may be UP esp varanasi has a higher %age.

 

in Homas, Yagnas Brahmins did partake the Bali or offering to Agnihotra, but as

it became more mechanical and cruel as a means to feast than pacify the neeeds

of a person who was advised such pallatives it became a superstition and Budhas,

Mahavir's entry did shun such crimes on voiceless beings

 

Adi Shankara who came and re-ignited theVedic culture, its spirit in the right

direction as it lost its course he brough back the importance of not harming,

eating living beings esp by hunting, culling, killingetc

 

the 4 ashrams he set up, Bhadrinath, Kedarnath, Sringerim Puri did take the

message forward to the respective regions.

 

vedic culture is basicall non violent, vegiteran and also sees the paratama in

all living forms and even stones, plants, gems, etc so that u learnt to

preserve, conserve natural habitats, flora and fauna. what the forest guards r

supposed to do now but never do

 

our Varnashrama r based on nature the Brahmacharya and Vrudha avastha is

nurturing with nature and also giving back to nature what we consumed in this

life with good energy still in our body and mind a thank u mother nature

 

this also helped in allowing the children to become more indipendent, respecting

elders and took over and gave back the same values to the next generation

today we r at the worst level elders become old ppl and unwanted ppl as they

interfere in the name of experience in all matters good or bad instead of

guiding they look down or demean erring yoingsters, if after imparting values

and guidlines seeing the settle and they moved away the respect they had for

their systems elders lived for long time. but like all good things a stale

situation with mechanical approach is the downfall o f good values, Besha ,

Kalaa Paristhiti has to be consistantly changing, adapting to times. not blidnly

following old ones and not adapting them to our times. [need based]

 

Best wishes

 

____________ _________ _________ __

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ >

 

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:41:46 PM

Re: Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Dear Friend

 

My views are like this.

 

Hinduism though considers Vegetarianisam as the highest thing, it dose not make

it compulsary for all except Brahmins. The speciality is the religion dose not

forces anything on every one.

 

It made it compulsary for Brahmins only ( they are exempted whe they take a

pepper size from yagna sacrifice) and by seeing them practising it, the others

have started voluntarily. Like Saiva Pillais, Saiva Mudaliyars, Saiva Gounders

in Tamil nadu or say Bhanias, Marwaris, etc of North ( intrestingly

vegetaniarisam is called saivam here and vaishnov in north. That itself can be

another topic) practise voluntarily.

 

When Sri Bhudda forced vegetarianism on all and sundry, the result is that all

buddhists including bhikshus eat meat. ( in china people eat every thing)

Intrestingly the muslims who went for selling meat, converted all of malaysia

and indonesia.

 

Hinduism as a religion dosenot forces any thing on every body. It made that

compulsary for brahmins and seeing that 30% of the country is vegetarian

voluntarily.

 

Kshtriyas eat non veg and we have great Janaka, Yudishtra, Prahlada, Mahabali

among spritually divine.

 

Regards

 

Sankar

 

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, rajeswar <sarvadu > wrote:

 

rajeswar <sarvadu >

Re: Is vegetarianism an essential part of spiritual evolution?

 

Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 12:19 PM

 

Dear Sanjaytechnology

 

Being a vegetarian or non-vegetarian remains a matter of ones choice. I believe

being vegetarian is a better way to a healthy living. Maamsam maamsena

vriddhathe meaning meat only increases the meaty things in us. it increases the

tamasic tatwa in us. for spiritual evolution one has to be satvic. Any say about

that? The scriptures unambiguously support the meatless way of life. Here are

what they have to say-

 

In the Mahabharata, for instance, (read Anu.114.11) the great warrior Bhishma

explains to Yudhishtira, eldest of the Pandava princes, that the meat of animals

is like the flesh of one's own son, and that the foolish person who eats meat

must be considered the vilest of human beings.

 

Similarly, the Manusmriti declares that one should 'refrain from eating all

kinds of meat,' for such eating involves killing and leads to karmic bondage

(bandha).

 

Elsewhere in the Vedic literature, the last of the great Vedic kings, Maharajah

Parikshit, is quoted as saying that 'only the animal-killer cannot relish the

message of the Absolute Truth [shrimad Bhagavatam 10.1.4].

 

The Hindu scriptures also speak clearly and forcefully on non killing and

vegetarianism.

 

In the ancient Rig Veda, we read: " O vegetable, be succulent, wholesome,

strengthening; and thus, body, be fully grown. "

 

The Yajur Veda summarily dictates: " Do not injure the beings living on the

earth, in the air and in the water.

 

The Manu Samhita advises: " Having well considered the origin of flesh and the

cruelty of fettering and slaying of corporeal beings, let one entirely abstain

from eating flesh. "

 

The roots of non injury non killing and nonconsumption of meat are found in the

Vedas, agamas, Upanishads, Dharma Shastras, Tirumurai, Yoga Sutras and dozens of

other sacred texts of Hinduism. Here is a select collection.

 

Vedas and agamas, Hinduism's Revealed Scriptures

 

The Rig Veda Samhita 10.191 says-

LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be of

one mind, so you may live well together.

 

Rig Veda Samhita 10.37.11. VE, 319

Protect both our species, two-legged and four-legged. Both food and water for

their needs supply. May they with us increase in stature and strength. Save us

from hurt all our days, O Powers!

 

Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90

One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal, and

deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does not

desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 10. 191. 4 says-

Peaceful be the earth, peaceful the ether, peaceful heaven, peaceful the waters,

peaceful the herbs, peaceful the trees. May all Gods bring me peace. May there

be peace through these invocations of peace. With these invocations of peace

which appease everything, I render peaceful whatever here is terrible, whatever

here is cruel, whatever here is sinful. Let it become auspicious, let everything

be beneficial to us.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 19.48.5. FS, 90

Those noble souls who practice meditation and other yogic ways, who are ever

careful about all beings, who protect all animals, are the ones who are actually

serious about spiritual practices.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 6.120.1. VE, 636

If we have injured space, the earth or heaven, or if we have offended mother or

father, from that may Agni, fire of the house, absolve us and guide us safely to

the world of goodness.

 

The Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90 says-

You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, whether they

are human, animal or whatever.

 

Yajur Veda 36.18.

May all beings look at me with a friendly eye. May I do likewise, and may we all

look on each other with the eyes of a friend.

 

Krishna Yajur Veda, Prana Upanishad 46-8. VE, 413-14 says

Nonviolence is all the offerings. Renunciation is the priestly honorarium. The

final purification is death. Thus all the Divinities are established in this

body.

 

Shukla Yajur Veda Samhita 36.17-18. VE, 306; 342 says-

To the heavens be peace, to the sky and the earth; to the waters be peace, to

plants and all trees; to the Gods be peace, to Brahman be peace, to all men be

peace, again and again-peace also to me! O earthen vessel, strengthen me. May

all beings regard me with friendly eyes! May I look upon all creatures with

friendly eyes! With a friend's eye may we regard each other!

 

all without any malice towards all the meat lovers

 

rao nr

 

, " sanjaytechnology " <sanjaytechnology@

....> wrote:

>

> All:

>

> Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> here...hopefully. ...

>

> Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> bear with me and go through this posting.

>

> I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> life energy.

>

> What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> meat to produce meat in our bodies.

>

> There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

>

> Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> food, there will be no odors.

>

> Remember meat is created from food.

>

> Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> pure.

>

> The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> will be very good for spiritual growth.

>

> I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> salads :-).

>

> Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " sanjaytechnology "

<sanjaytechnology wrote:

>WELL SPOKEN

One that desires above all else liberation from the peeated cycles of rebirth,

one who wishes to dwell only in the heart of compassion for themselves and for

all sentient beings should make their stomachs a graveyard for anumals. They

should also try their best not to wear of carry leather.

moksha to all

> All:

>

> Is vegetarian food a remedy :-) ? The answer will evolve right

> here...hopefully....

>

> Time and again human beings question " Why give up non-vegetarian

> food to attain a first step towards spirituality? " I have made a

> humble attempt to answer this questions from my heart. So please

> bear with me and go through this posting.

>

> I dont care whether you eat a small or a large quantity of meat. I

> am not an orthodox Hindu. I am interested only in the Truth. I would

> extrapolate and simply say that you perform a simple experiment. Put

> a slice of meat on one plate, a slice of fish on another, some eggs

> on a 3rd plate, and some fruit on a 4th plate. Then look at the

> plates every two hours and see which food rots first. That will make

> you understand which food retains their beauty and fragrance and

> life energy.

>

> What flesh do those animals eat whose flesh people eat? What meat do

> those animals eat to fatten themselves? Are they fed meat, or do

> they eat grass and cereals? If we eat the same thing that they eat,

> we will also have meat in our bodies. Its not that we have to eat

> meat to produce meat in our bodies.

>

> There are very practical reasons for eating vegetarian food. Plants

> are full of life energy, but there is no life energy in meat. The

> food we eat is split into 3 parts during the digestive process The

> highest and subtlest portion of it, which is the energy itself,

> becomes one with " prana " , the life force. The middle portion turns

> into flesh. The inferior matter becomes waste and is expelled from

> the system. From meat one gets only the middle portion, which is

> flesh. One cannot derive any of the Life Force from it.

>

> Someone said once " I always wash my body in the morning, but by

> evening it begins to smell very badly. Why is is that some people's

> bodies do not smell, even though they have not taken a bath for so

> long? The answes is right here.. Most of the time people eat only

> stale food that has only bad odors. If you do not eat that kind of

> food, there will be no odors.

>

> Remember meat is created from food.

>

> Most of the time we only live by listening to other people and

> seeing what others do. We do not understand and act by ourselves.

> Wheat, ghee, milk and vegetables are very good for us. If we eat

> this kind of food, our body never stinks because that food is very

> pure.

>

> The body is born of food, it is sustained by food, and in the end it

> will merge into food. Eating is also Yoga. If you eat easily

> digestible pure, and nourishing food and eat it punctually, then it

> will be very good for spiritual growth.

>

> I am not talking Hinduism; I am uttering the truth. If people arue

> and say " meat id very good for us " , then why are people in the West

> so fond of salads? It is because they derive " LIFE FORCE " from

> salads :-).

>

> Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>