KP, Systems Approach- merits and short comings.

March 21, 2009

Dear Krishnan Ji and RR Ji,

Happy to see good points discussed.

There is no harm if some astrologers take up some branches of the mainstream

jyotish ( as found in Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra) and try to develop clear

cut approach to analysis and prections.

To keep the principle simple and clear KP is based on stelalr dispositorship

only. Signs have less importance in it.

Similarly to make it still simpler the System's Approach has limited the scope

and analysis to Rasi and navamsa dispositors only.

So when the basic tools used are choosenly limited by the users of both the

systems, definitely....the predictive utility and output has got into it the

inherent built in limitations also.

There are certain situations when the strongest of planetary /stellar

dispositors fail to deliver for their starlords and sub-lords owing to basic

weaknesses of planets.

Simialry there are certain situations when the planets modify their

natures/results based on their own disposition that they work more ardously for

their non-mool trikona houses than the mool-trikona houses.

Secondly all the placements in 6th, 8th, and 12th are not bad as propounded by

System's Approach.

Ashtakvarga, Argala , Rasi and Graha Drishti along with the concept of Raja

Yoga/ Karaka Yoga showing the inter-planetary cooperation, desires,

accessibility of material /tangible resources, talents and their proper

channelisations respectively are the important and key areas of predictive

astrology left aside by both KP and SA.

A judicious mix of all the good concepts whatever we can grasp from BPHS in

their proper perspective is the best thing I have felt in my humble experience.

With regards and best wishes,

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

09811971190

> Dear dada,

> if so called system approach encourages and adds to proffesionalism,certianly

it is a consolation to retain it.

> KP ofcourse is difficult to jusify for group and collective wisdom.if some

body wants more clarity and certainity I suggest for individual consideration

through KP.

> Jyotish in it;s conventional form is best and can be explored further with

collective efforts.

> Interest in jyotish has certainly increased many fold in common people

irrespecyove of caste,creed and religion.Eevn sideral concepts too are very

broad and mixing up with wisdom of the sages may some times lead to unwanted

issues.we have already issues like ayanamsa etc.Better we concentrate for our

general purposes the traditional knowledge

> Time to cheer about the completion f the 7th year and ceratinly credit goes to

you as a very active and senior member

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> Re: to all members

>

> Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:42 PM

Dear Arjun jee,

>

> So nice to hear your voice again. " My Hardik Dhanyavaad " for your kind words

regarding my insignificant contributions here, there and elsewhere.

>

> Regardless of whether this is first or second or whatever in popularity polls

which as we all know are meaningless -- even at this celebration of

varshaga(n)th of this wonderful community of ours (what else can it be called?),

I continue to hold a 'fishbone' stuck in my gullet if I may use a 'bengali'

expression! In this illuminated castle in which we all mingle and show kindness

to each other, and rib at each other too and worse at times, sadly -- there

remains one room that is closed and locked as in the proverbial CASTLE.

>

> The room is named " Systems Approach " , propagated by VK Choudhury. I do not

follow it but would consider it closer to mainstream Jyotish than Krishnamurthy

Paddhati which has some good 'pointers' as stated in my sharings, and some that

are absolutely non-jyotish (Placidus cusps that are at the beginning of a

house)! KP is welcome here but SA is not. At my repeated prodding, Tanvir once

responded here publicly that the decision to lock out SA here was because of

some of its overzealous followers and I fully understand and relate to all that

myself -- trust me!

>

> TODAY, I think OUR JYOTISH_REMEDIES HOME has matured enough and has gained

enough genuine solidarity and Camaraderie like NO OTHER FORUM has (that embraces

and welcomes a variety of opinions and diverse ones that is!).

>

> I, therefore, place my humble plea once again for the administrators to

consider to extend our inclusiveness and allow Systems Approach discussions. And

if, some overzealous, arrogant ones try to over-sell their personal

" interpretation " , we have a VERY strong Moderator in situ as I believe the term

is for 'in place' and sincere and serious members around who have low tolerance

for ingenuinity!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@

....> wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> >

> > firstly, thanking the good words of tripathyji, i must state that this

astrology group is number two in by membership and number one by those

seeking remedies through astrology in and all astrologers contributing

here are priviliged to be of serving the suffering and answering the querents

through this great platform.

> >

> > few years ago there were very few members like RRji and vattem krishnanji

who used to contribute a lot. later bhaskarji too contributed greatly but

stopped now and i request him to have a forgive and forget approach and start

contributing here as well.

> >

> > it would be myopic on my part if i do not make a special mention of this

group moderator prashantji and his contributions. for those who are not aware of

prashantji, he is an albino and have very poor eye vision and he takes great

amount of stress while typing seeing the screen and he often makes typing

mistakes in spellings because of his poor vision. but due to his dedicated

sincerety in serving the members freely with the only thing he has that is

astrological knowledge is by answering mails of most members which is difficult

even for normal members like us. he was one of the twenty seven stars of the

coveted astrology school of the great father of astrology b.v.raman and members

shall benefit from his contributions.

> >

> > however, as any old member is aware, the moderator job is ungrateful and

often carries with it a lot of criticism. an year ago this group witnessed most

vulgar unparliamentary mails from fake IDs which makes the lord of mayas indra

look smaller, but after prashantji became moderator, this is peaceful.

> >

> > accordingly, i appreciate members like RRji, krishnanji, yourself and others

in your contributions and reducing the burden of the moderator. to prashantji, i

can only advise him to condone any errings of few members and show kind heart to

all by relaxing moderation slowly with an objective of making this group

unmoderated soon.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> >

> > , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy "

<astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Arjun Ji,

> > >

> > > Welcome after a long break.

> > >

> > > Hope all friends and members will enjoy your company through your

informative and wise postings.

> > >

> > > With regards and best wishes,

> > >

> > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 21, 2009

Tripathyji,

Absolutely! I personally feel that these later-day developments in Jyotish

should be given their place and neither are these going to replace the main body

of Jyotish nor are these to be seen as a threat towards Jyotish. As far as the

fear of confusion in some minds due to mixing of principles is concerned, well

like they say, " If one cannot stand the heat in a kitchen, becoming a chef is

not in the cards for that individual! " ;-)

RR

, " Mrutyunjay Tripathy "

<astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote:

>

> Dear Krishnan Ji and RR Ji,

>

> Happy to see good points discussed.

>

> There is no harm if some astrologers take up some branches of the mainstream

jyotish ( as found in Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra) and try to develop clear

cut approach to analysis and prections.

>

> To keep the principle simple and clear KP is based on stelalr dispositorship

only. Signs have less importance in it.

>

> Similarly to make it still simpler the System's Approach has limited the scope

and analysis to Rasi and navamsa dispositors only.

>

> So when the basic tools used are choosenly limited by the users of both the

systems, definitely....the predictive utility and output has got into it the

inherent built in limitations also.

>

> There are certain situations when the strongest of planetary /stellar

dispositors fail to deliver for their starlords and sub-lords owing to basic

weaknesses of planets.

>

> Simialry there are certain situations when the planets modify their

natures/results based on their own disposition that they work more ardously for

their non-mool trikona houses than the mool-trikona houses.

>

> Secondly all the placements in 6th, 8th, and 12th are not bad as propounded

by System's Approach.

>

> Ashtakvarga, Argala , Rasi and Graha Drishti along with the concept of Raja

Yoga/ Karaka Yoga showing the inter-planetary cooperation, desires,

accessibility of material /tangible resources, talents and their proper

channelisations respectively are the important and key areas of predictive

astrology left aside by both KP and SA.

>

> A judicious mix of all the good concepts whatever we can grasp from BPHS in

their proper perspective is the best thing I have felt in my humble experience.

>

> With regards and best wishes,

>

> Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> 09811971190

>

> > Dear dada,

> > if so called system approach encourages and adds to

proffesionalism,certianly it is a consolation to retain it.

> > KP ofcourse is difficult to jusify for group and collective wisdom.if some

body wants more clarity and certainity I suggest for individual consideration

through KP.

> > Jyotish in it;s conventional form is best and can be explored further with

collective efforts.

> > Interest in jyotish has certainly increased many fold in common people

irrespecyove of caste,creed and religion.Eevn sideral concepts too are very

broad and mixing up with wisdom of the sages may some times lead to unwanted

issues.we have already issues like ayanamsa etc.Better we concentrate for our

general purposes the traditional knowledge

> > Time to cheer about the completion f the 7th year and ceratinly credit goes

to you as a very active and senior member

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@>

> > Re: to all members

> >

> > Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:42 PM

> >

> > Dear Arjun jee,

> >

> > So nice to hear your voice again. " My Hardik Dhanyavaad " for your kind words

regarding my insignificant contributions here, there and elsewhere.

> >

> > Regardless of whether this is first or second or whatever in popularity

polls which as we all know are meaningless -- even at this celebration of

varshaga(n)th of this wonderful community of ours (what else can it be called?),

I continue to hold a 'fishbone' stuck in my gullet if I may use a 'bengali'

expression! In this illuminated castle in which we all mingle and show kindness

to each other, and rib at each other too and worse at times, sadly -- there

remains one room that is closed and locked as in the proverbial CASTLE.

> >

> > The room is named " Systems Approach " , propagated by VK Choudhury. I do not

follow it but would consider it closer to mainstream Jyotish than Krishnamurthy

Paddhati which has some good 'pointers' as stated in my sharings, and some that

are absolutely non-jyotish (Placidus cusps that are at the beginning of a

house)! KP is welcome here but SA is not. At my repeated prodding, Tanvir once

responded here publicly that the decision to lock out SA here was because of

some of its overzealous followers and I fully understand and relate to all that

myself -- trust me!

> >

> > TODAY, I think OUR JYOTISH_REMEDIES HOME has matured enough and has gained

enough genuine solidarity and Camaraderie like NO OTHER FORUM has (that embraces

and welcomes a variety of opinions and diverse ones that is!).

> >

> > I, therefore, place my humble plea once again for the administrators to

consider to extend our inclusiveness and allow Systems Approach discussions. And

if, some overzealous, arrogant ones try to over-sell their personal

" interpretation " , we have a VERY strong Moderator in situ as I believe the term

is for 'in place' and sincere and serious members around who have low tolerance

for ingenuinity!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friends

> > >

> > > firstly, thanking the good words of tripathyji, i must state that this

astrology group is number two in by membership and number one by those

seeking remedies through astrology in and all astrologers contributing

here are priviliged to be of serving the suffering and answering the querents

through this great platform.

> > >

> > > few years ago there were very few members like RRji and vattem krishnanji

who used to contribute a lot. later bhaskarji too contributed greatly but

stopped now and i request him to have a forgive and forget approach and start

contributing here as well.

> > >

> > > it would be myopic on my part if i do not make a special mention of this