Criterion for an astrologer by Sanjay Rath and MR.Narasimha Rao

March 21, 2009

How to see a Jyotisha from a chart?

9 PRESENTED BY PT.SANJAYRATH

Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability to see

the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the fifth

is the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu

have special aspect on the fifth house, and are the best

astrologers. They are followed by Mars who can aspect

the 8th house. In a chart, planets associated with the

Panapara Houses make a good astrologer. For example,

the Atmakaraka associated with the 11th house is a

sureshot combination for excellence in Jyotish.

Now, since the two chiefs are Jupiter and Rahu, at any

given point of time, two schools of thought will prevail.

One that follows the path of the Maharishi's (Jupiter) and is exceedingly

intelligent, and

the other that follows the ORIGINAL RESEARCH power of Rahu. While Research is

good, it should follow the hypothesis of the Maharishi's. Ravana, the king of

Lanka was

also a great Jyotish, but see where the knowledge led him.. destruction of the

entire

dynasty. He followed the Jyotish path of RAHU and his lineage was completely

destroyed due to the anger of Jupiter. None of us are born Rahu's, it is a

choice we

make. Look at the life of Nostradamus where his entire family was destroyed and

then,

when he changed his ways, burnt the books of Vulcan and used the knowledge by

simultaneously respecting the Church, his second family prospered. This is the

main

difference in that the path of the Maharishi's is full of roses while that of

Rahu is full of

thorns.

There are many in the Mailing lists who question the very foundation of Vedic

Jyotish like

giving arguments that the 8th house is beneficial as it is the 11th (Gains) for

the tenth.

They do not understand the Maharishi's being limited by their senses. Whenever

in such

a doubt, it is best to PRAY TO MAHARISHI VEDAVYASA with the mantra " VYAM

VYASADEVAYA NAMAH " . It is only by His mercy that this knowledge is revealed and

avidya goes.

The first thing to do is to check your own chart for comparative influence of

Rahu &

Jupiter on the Panapara, chiefly the 5th house and see the planets in these

houses. If a

large number of planets influence, then they will aid in getting the knowledge

of Jyotisha.

Qualification of an Astrologer

9 PRESENTED BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

Jupiter is the planet of wisdom, discretion, judgment and traditional knowledge.

Mercury

is the planet of speech, solid knowledge, logic and reasoning. These two are the

significators of astrology. The 2nd and 5th houses are important (also 8th). The

2nd is

the house of speech and overall knowledge and awareness. The 5th is the house of

intelligence, intuition and perception. The 8th is the house of occult and also

research.

Some astrologers also have Jovian influence on 10th (karma/action).

Usually Jupiter/Mercury has a strong influence on 2nd/5th in rasi or D-10 or

D-24 for

astrologers. D-10 (dasamsa) is the chart of activities and achievements in

society. D-24

is the chart of learning and knowledge.

In addition, D-27 is the chart of strengths and weaknesses. The 2nd in D-27

shows one's

vaag bala (power of speech) and 5th and 8th show intuition. Those with very

strong

Mercurian/Jovian (esp Jovian) influence on 2nd/5th/8th in D-27 have a knack for

making

correct predictions.

Dasas have a role too. Astrologers go through phases of success and failure.

D-27

Narayana dasa can be helpful.

The 5th house in D-27 (strengths and weaknesses) shows intuition and perception,

which are very important aspects of making predictions. Saturn is the planet of

sluggishness. Sluggishness in using intuition and perception can occur when the

5th

house from the dasa sign as per " D-27 Narayana dasa " contains the arudha pada of

Saturn or strongly aspected by it (use rasi aspects here). The same analysis can

be

done for antardasas etc.

Another related question on Jyotisha

Â¾ QUESTION BY MS.MANJU

How important is it to have a strong Jupiter to learn vedic astrology and become

a good

astrologer? If Jupiter is debilitated in the 6th house doe that mean it is a

hopeless

situation? What other signs, planets and houses should I check?

9 ANSWER BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

From 6th, he would aspect 2nd and 10th. He would also own 5th and 8th, two other

key

houses for astrology. I would not call it hopeless.

A lot depends on other horoscopic factors though. How is your Mercury? He is the

secondary significator of astrology and owns 2nd in your case. Also, does

Mercury or

Gemini have a link with your chara atmakaraka?

Chaturvimsamsa/Siddhamsa, denoted as D-24, is important for knowledge related

activities. Dasamsa, denoted as D-10, is important for professional activities.

See

Jupiter's strength in them also.

OM TAT SAT

March 22, 2009

Dear Shri Chaudhari Ji,

In the views of two prominent Astrologers what criteria will be there in a chart

to identify a good Astrologer have been brought out by is very interesting to

read.

while we were studying in ICAS Delhi Chapter,our Gurus,Mostly used to say that

dasa/anatar/pratynatar of Jupiter is the main reason to get enroled for jyotish

classes.But some we have also dasa/anatar/pratynatar of saturn with some aspect

of jupiter in gochara also propelled some to learn jyotish.

while mentioning about dasa(as it refers to time/period) at what stage actually

one initiates to indicate his urge to analyse charts?is also an issue that

needed some light.

No doubt mercury link with 10th house also plays an important role in the life

while considering himself to be an Astrologer?

Interestingly some where in our TV/media it was shown that a tribal girl started

making prediction of lives of some people around.is it that Rahu's effect?

Irrespective of an Astrologer is good or bad,the influence of planets in his

life has major role.It might be that how he utilises his skills as Astrologers

for the benifit of his self and society around makes a big difference.This is

where probably Ravana as a very good Astrologer,as a Rakshasa,has misutilised

and that led to his distruction.

vrkrishnan

--- On Sat, 3/21/09, chaudhuri.krishnendu <krishnenduchdhr wrote:

chaudhuri.krishnendu <krishnenduchdhr

Criterion for an astrologer by Sanjay Rath and MR.Narasimha Rao

Saturday, March 21, 2009, 3:09 PM

How to see a Jyotisha from a chart?

9 PRESENTED BY PT.SANJAYRATH

Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability to see

the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the fifth

is the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu

have special aspect on the fifth house, and are the best

astrologers. They are followed by Mars who can aspect

the 8th house. In a chart, planets associated with the

Panapara Houses make a good astrologer. For example,

the Atmakaraka associated with the 11th house is a

sureshot combination for excellence in Jyotish.

Now, since the two chiefs are Jupiter and Rahu, at any

given point of time, two schools of thought will prevail.

One that follows the path of the Maharishi's (Jupiter) and is exceedingly

intelligent, and

the other that follows the ORIGINAL RESEARCH power of Rahu. While Research is

good, it should follow the hypothesis of the Maharishi's. Ravana, the king of

Lanka was

also a great Jyotish, but see where the knowledge led him.. destruction of the

entire

dynasty. He followed the Jyotish path of RAHU and his lineage was completely

destroyed due to the anger of Jupiter. None of us are born Rahu's, it is a

choice we

make. Look at the life of Nostradamus where his entire family was destroyed and

then,

when he changed his ways, burnt the books of Vulcan and used the knowledge by

simultaneously respecting the Church, his second family prospered. This is the

main

difference in that the path of the Maharishi's is full of roses while that of

Rahu is full of

thorns.

There are many in the Mailing lists who question the very foundation of Vedic

Jyotish like

giving arguments that the 8th house is beneficial as it is the 11th (Gains) for

the tenth.

They do not understand the Maharishi's being limited by their senses. Whenever

in such

a doubt, it is best to PRAY TO MAHARISHI VEDAVYASA with the mantra " VYAM

VYASADEVAYA NAMAH " . It is only by His mercy that this knowledge is revealed and

avidya goes.

The first thing to do is to check your own chart for comparative influence of

Rahu &

Jupiter on the Panapara, chiefly the 5th house and see the planets in these

houses. If a

large number of planets influence, then they will aid in getting the knowledge

of Jyotisha.

Qualification of an Astrologer

9 PRESENTED BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

Jupiter is the planet of wisdom, discretion, judgment and traditional knowledge.

Mercury

is the planet of speech, solid knowledge, logic and reasoning. These two are the

significators of astrology. The 2nd and 5th houses are important (also 8th). The

2nd is

the house of speech and overall knowledge and awareness. The 5th is the house of

intelligence, intuition and perception. The 8th is the house of occult and also

research.

Some astrologers also have Jovian influence on 10th (karma/action) .

Usually Jupiter/Mercury has a strong influence on 2nd/5th in rasi or D-10 or

D-24 for

astrologers. D-10 (dasamsa) is the chart of activities and achievements in

society. D-24

is the chart of learning and knowledge.

In addition, D-27 is the chart of strengths and weaknesses. The 2nd in D-27

shows one's

vaag bala (power of speech) and 5th and 8th show intuition. Those with very

strong

Mercurian/Jovian (esp Jovian) influence on 2nd/5th/8th in D-27 have a knack for

making

correct predictions.

Dasas have a role too. Astrologers go through phases of success and failure.

D-27

Narayana dasa can be helpful.

The 5th house in D-27 (strengths and weaknesses) shows intuition and perception,

which are very important aspects of making predictions. Saturn is the planet of

sluggishness. Sluggishness in using intuition and perception can occur when the

5th

house from the dasa sign as per " D-27 Narayana dasa " contains the arudha pada of

Saturn or strongly aspected by it (use rasi aspects here). The same analysis can

be

done for antardasas etc.

Another related question on Jyotisha

Â¾ QUESTION BY MS.MANJU

How important is it to have a strong Jupiter to learn vedic astrology and become

a good

astrologer? If Jupiter is debilitated in the 6th house doe that mean it is a

hopeless

situation? What other signs, planets and houses should I check?

9 ANSWER BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

From 6th, he would aspect 2nd and 10th. He would also own 5th and 8th, two other

key

houses for astrology. I would not call it hopeless.

A lot depends on other horoscopic factors though. How is your Mercury? He is the

secondary significator of astrology and owns 2nd in your case. Also, does

Mercury or

Gemini have a link with your chara atmakaraka?

Chaturvimsamsa/ Siddhamsa, denoted as D-24, is important for knowledge related

activities. Dasamsa, denoted as D-10, is important for professional activities.

See

Jupiter's strength in them also.

OM TAT SAT

March 22, 2009

DearKrishna ji

well I had started my astro journey in RAHU dasa rahu from Budha my lagna lord

may be in 2nd but from the catalysts GURU, SANI IT WAS 6/8 my journey started on

72/12/77, though read AM's in early 70;s superficially when i was in early teens

My Guru had said Guru's dasa dos give u the knowledge, but it is sani that makes

u know in the public as a astrologer even the 7th house SAMBANDHA of it in any

manner even kn rAOji too has said similarly on ppl in public space be it

artisans, media, politicians, NGO's, lAWYERS ASTROLOGERS is implied here i guess

about ravana FROM what i hear

Sri rama had sent Angadha to ravana to get the right Muhurtha to start the war

on him which shocks, everyone and angers Lakshmana most to which he says wait

and see u will know why he is a great scholar and have no fears in it

ravana true to that spirit of a Jyotishi did give the right Muhurtha as a

avatara purusha sri rama had know what to do just to highlight the virtues of

his rivals he did show that to the public

ABOVE ALL RAMAYANA IS A BENCHMARK on how individuals must live

be it a king, a priest, a boatman, a guru, a brother, a washerman a spouse a son

, a father, warrior etc

no one gets this spirit as we read comic strips of ramayana and miss the great

depth it has in it

reading valmikis aranya parva, sundarakhanda etc is supposed to cure many heart,

respiratory disorders

a few slokas of Sundara khanda on domestic bliss in troubled times but neither

our parents had the time nor we to impart this to the next generation as we have

lost our education system fully instead of blending both the good side of ours

and Maculays we discarded ours fully and are stuck with Maculays, which even the

british have discarded and move on.

till it happens we will remain in the rat race world fight to survive

the best part of our system was it is eco friendly fromstart to finish in life,

socialistic in nature but people lived their life in a capatilist way -that is

life as it had to be, thus this capitalims was not greedy, avaricious as our

system is teaching us now.

Prashant

________________________________

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:25:13 PM

Re: Criterion for an astrologer by Sanjay Rath and MR.Narasimha

Rao

Dear Shri Chaudhari Ji,

In the views of two prominent Astrologers what criteria will be there in a chart

to identify a good Astrologer have been brought out by is very interesting to

read.

while we were studying in ICAS Delhi Chapter,our Gurus,Mostly used to say that

dasa/anatar/ pratynatar of Jupiter is the main reason to get enroled for jyotish

classes.But some we have also dasa/anatar/ pratynatar of saturn with some aspect

of jupiter in gochara also propelled some to learn jyotish.

while mentioning about dasa(as it refers to time/period) at what stage actually

one initiates to indicate his urge to analyse charts?is also an issue that

needed some light.

No doubt mercury link with 10th house also plays an important role in the life

while considering himself to be an Astrologer?

Interestingly some where in our TV/media it was shown that a tribal girl started

making prediction of lives of some people around.is it that Rahu's effect?

Irrespective of an Astrologer is good or bad,the influence of planets in his

life has major role.It might be that how he utilises his skills as Astrologers

for the benifit of his self and society around makes a big difference.This is

where probably Ravana as a very good Astrologer,as a Rakshasa,has misutilised

and that led to his distruction.

vrkrishnan

--- On Sat, 3/21/09, chaudhuri.krishnend u <krishnenduchdhr@ gmail.com> wrote:

chaudhuri.krishnend u <krishnenduchdhr@ gmail.com>

Criterion for an astrologer by Sanjay Rath and MR.Narasimha Rao

Saturday, March 21, 2009, 3:09 PM

How to see a Jyotisha from a chart?

9 PRESENTED BY PT.SANJAYRATH

Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability to see

the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the fifth

is the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu

have special aspect on the fifth house, and are the best

astrologers. They are followed by Mars who can aspect

the 8th house. In a chart, planets associated with the

Panapara Houses make a good astrologer. For example,

the Atmakaraka associated with the 11th house is a

sureshot combination for excellence in Jyotish.

Now, since the two chiefs are Jupiter and Rahu, at any

given point of time, two schools of thought will prevail.

One that follows the path of the Maharishi's (Jupiter) and is exceedingly

intelligent, and

the other that follows the ORIGINAL RESEARCH power of Rahu. While Research is

good, it should follow the hypothesis of the Maharishi's. Ravana, the king of

Lanka was

also a great Jyotish, but see where the knowledge led him.. destruction of the

entire

dynasty. He followed the Jyotish path of RAHU and his lineage was completely

destroyed due to the anger of Jupiter. None of us are born Rahu's, it is a

choice we

make. Look at the life of Nostradamus where his entire family was destroyed and

then,

when he changed his ways, burnt the books of Vulcan and used the knowledge by

simultaneously respecting the Church, his second family prospered. This is the

main

difference in that the path of the Maharishi's is full of roses while that of

Rahu is full of

thorns.

There are many in the Mailing lists who question the very foundation of Vedic

Jyotish like

giving arguments that the 8th house is beneficial as it is the 11th (Gains) for

the tenth.

They do not understand the Maharishi's being limited by their senses. Whenever

in such

a doubt, it is best to PRAY TO MAHARISHI VEDAVYASA with the mantra " VYAM

VYASADEVAYA NAMAH " . It is only by His mercy that this knowledge is revealed and

avidya goes.

The first thing to do is to check your own chart for comparative influence of

Rahu &

Jupiter on the Panapara, chiefly the 5th house and see the planets in these

houses. If a

large number of planets influence, then they will aid in getting the knowledge

of Jyotisha.

Qualification of an Astrologer

9 PRESENTED BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

Jupiter is the planet of wisdom, discretion, judgment and traditional knowledge.

Mercury

is the planet of speech, solid knowledge, logic and reasoning. These two are the

significators of astrology. The 2nd and 5th houses are important (also 8th). The

2nd is

the house of speech and overall knowledge and awareness. The 5th is the house of

intelligence, intuition and perception. The 8th is the house of occult and also

research.

Some astrologers also have Jovian influence on 10th (karma/action) .

Usually Jupiter/Mercury has a strong influence on 2nd/5th in rasi or D-10 or

D-24 for

astrologers. D-10 (dasamsa) is the chart of activities and achievements in

society. D-24

is the chart of learning and knowledge.

In addition, D-27 is the chart of strengths and weaknesses. The 2nd in D-27

shows one's

vaag bala (power of speech) and 5th and 8th show intuition. Those with very

strong

Mercurian/Jovian (esp Jovian) influence on 2nd/5th/8th in D-27 have a knack for

making

correct predictions.

Dasas have a role too. Astrologers go through phases of success and failure.

D-27

Narayana dasa can be helpful.

The 5th house in D-27 (strengths and weaknesses) shows intuition and perception,

which are very important aspects of making predictions. Saturn is the planet of

sluggishness. Sluggishness in using intuition and perception can occur when the

5th

house from the dasa sign as per " D-27 Narayana dasa " contains the arudha pada of

Saturn or strongly aspected by it (use rasi aspects here). The same analysis can

be

done for antardasas etc.

Another related question on Jyotisha

Â¾ QUESTION BY MS.MANJU

How important is it to have a strong Jupiter to learn vedic astrology and become

a good

astrologer? If Jupiter is debilitated in the 6th house doe that mean it is a

hopeless

situation? What other signs, planets and houses should I check?

9 ANSWER BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

From 6th, he would aspect 2nd and 10th. He would also own 5th and 8th, two other

key

houses for astrology. I would not call it hopeless.

A lot depends on other horoscopic factors though. How is your Mercury? He is the

secondary significator of astrology and owns 2nd in your case. Also, does

Mercury or

Gemini have a link with your chara atmakaraka?

Chaturvimsamsa/ Siddhamsa, denoted as D-24, is important for knowledge related

activities. Dasamsa, denoted as D-10, is important for professional activities.

See

Jupiter's strength in them also.

OM TAT SAT

March 22, 2009

Shri K.N. Rao is without any doubt a modern Astrological Giant, in terms of

predictions, personal and mundane, a prolific writer and also a well-known

teacher not only locally but internationally.

shouldn't interested parties study his chart as opposed to looking into Ravana

or other ancient charts?

RR

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Chaudhari Ji,

> In the views of two prominent Astrologers what criteria will be there in a

chart to identify a good Astrologer have been brought out by is very interesting

to read.

> while we were studying in ICAS Delhi Chapter,our Gurus,Mostly used to say that

dasa/anatar/pratynatar of Jupiter is the main reason to get enroled for jyotish

classes.But some we have also dasa/anatar/pratynatar of saturn with some aspect

of jupiter in gochara also propelled some to learn jyotish.

> while mentioning about dasa(as it refers to time/period) at what stage

actually one initiates to indicate his urge to analyse charts?is also an issue

that needed some light.

> No doubt mercury link with 10th house also plays an important role in the life

while considering himself to be an Astrologer?

> Interestingly some where in our TV/media it was shown that a tribal girl

started making prediction of lives of some people around.is it that Rahu's

effect?

> Irrespective of an Astrologer is good or bad,the influence of planets in his

life has major role.It might be that how he utilises his skills as Astrologers

for the benifit of his self and society around makes a big difference.This is

where probably Ravana as a very good Astrologer,as a Rakshasa,has misutilised

and that led to his distruction.

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Sat, 3/21/09, chaudhuri.krishnendu <krishnenduchdhr wrote:

>

> chaudhuri.krishnendu <krishnenduchdhr

> Criterion for an astrologer by Sanjay Rath and MR.Narasimha Rao

>

> Saturday, March 21, 2009, 3:09 PM

How to see a Jyotisha from a chart?

> 9 PRESENTED BY PT.SANJAYRATH

> Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability to see

> the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the fifth

> is the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu

> have special aspect on the fifth house, and are the best

> astrologers. They are followed by Mars who can aspect

> the 8th house. In a chart, planets associated with the

> Panapara Houses make a good astrologer. For example,

> the Atmakaraka associated with the 11th house is a

> sureshot combination for excellence in Jyotish.

> Now, since the two chiefs are Jupiter and Rahu, at any

> given point of time, two schools of thought will prevail.

> One that follows the path of the Maharishi's (Jupiter) and is exceedingly

intelligent, and

> the other that follows the ORIGINAL RESEARCH power of Rahu. While Research is

> good, it should follow the hypothesis of the Maharishi's. Ravana, the king of

Lanka was

> also a great Jyotish, but see where the knowledge led him.. destruction of the

entire

> dynasty. He followed the Jyotish path of RAHU and his lineage was completely

> destroyed due to the anger of Jupiter. None of us are born Rahu's, it is a

choice we

> make. Look at the life of Nostradamus where his entire family was destroyed

and then,

> when he changed his ways, burnt the books of Vulcan and used the knowledge by

> simultaneously respecting the Church, his second family prospered. This is the

main

> difference in that the path of the Maharishi's is full of roses while that of

Rahu is full of

> thorns.

> There are many in the Mailing lists who question the very foundation of Vedic

Jyotish like

> giving arguments that the 8th house is beneficial as it is the 11th (Gains)

for the tenth.

> They do not understand the Maharishi's being limited by their senses. Whenever

in such

> a doubt, it is best to PRAY TO MAHARISHI VEDAVYASA with the mantra " VYAM

> VYASADEVAYA NAMAH " . It is only by His mercy that this knowledge is revealed

and

> avidya goes.

> The first thing to do is to check your own chart for comparative influence of

Rahu &

> Jupiter on the Panapara, chiefly the 5th house and see the planets in these

houses. If a

> large number of planets influence, then they will aid in getting the knowledge

of Jyotisha.

> Qualification of an Astrologer

> 9 PRESENTED BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

> Jupiter is the planet of wisdom, discretion, judgment and traditional

knowledge. Mercury

> is the planet of speech, solid knowledge, logic and reasoning. These two are

the

> significators of astrology. The 2nd and 5th houses are important (also 8th).

The 2nd is

> the house of speech and overall knowledge and awareness. The 5th is the house

of

> intelligence, intuition and perception. The 8th is the house of occult and

also research.

> Some astrologers also have Jovian influence on 10th (karma/action) .

> Usually Jupiter/Mercury has a strong influence on 2nd/5th in rasi or D-10 or

D-24 for

> astrologers. D-10 (dasamsa) is the chart of activities and achievements in

society. D-24

> is the chart of learning and knowledge.

> In addition, D-27 is the chart of strengths and weaknesses. The 2nd in D-27

shows one's

> vaag bala (power of speech) and 5th and 8th show intuition. Those with very

strong

> Mercurian/Jovian (esp Jovian) influence on 2nd/5th/8th in D-27 have a knack

for making

> correct predictions.

> Dasas have a role too. Astrologers go through phases of success and failure.

D-27

> Narayana dasa can be helpful.

> The 5th house in D-27 (strengths and weaknesses) shows intuition and

perception,

> which are very important aspects of making predictions. Saturn is the planet

of

> sluggishness. Sluggishness in using intuition and perception can occur when

the 5th

> house from the dasa sign as per " D-27 Narayana dasa " contains the arudha pada

of

> Saturn or strongly aspected by it (use rasi aspects here). The same analysis

can be

> done for antardasas etc.

> Another related question on Jyotisha

> Â¾ QUESTION BY MS.MANJU

> How important is it to have a strong Jupiter to learn vedic astrology and

become a good

> astrologer? If Jupiter is debilitated in the 6th house doe that mean it is a

hopeless

> situation? What other signs, planets and houses should I check?

> 9 ANSWER BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

> From 6th, he would aspect 2nd and 10th. He would also own 5th and 8th, two

other key

> houses for astrology. I would not call it hopeless.

> A lot depends on other horoscopic factors though. How is your Mercury? He is

the

> secondary significator of astrology and owns 2nd in your case. Also, does

Mercury or

> Gemini have a link with your chara atmakaraka?

> Chaturvimsamsa/ Siddhamsa, denoted as D-24, is important for knowledge related

> activities. Dasamsa, denoted as D-10, is important for professional

activities. See

> Jupiter's strength in them also.

> OM TAT SAT

>

March 22, 2009

Dear Kumar ji,

As Vinay Jha and many others before him reminded us all of the misinterpretation

and damage that Burgess did to Suryasiddhanta and other similar texts and the

history of the Indus-Saraswati valley civilization, all I can be thankful for is

that the main body of Jyotish had never been too attractive to Moghul or

European Rulers and while some had remained cloistered indigenously in

protective paramparas (which is perhaps questionably better than being mangled

by those who had no appreciation for such refined knowledge!

Yet we must not forget the broad-heartedness and keen foresight of Doyens like

Professor B.V. Raman who was born to disseminate the pearls of wisdom, not just

to a wider readership in India but also abroad. This was followed by others and

most notably relatively recently by Shri K.N. Rao who stirred the souls of not

only astrologers abroad but went relentlessly after Indian astrologers and

Indian Judiciary and Government.

The modern non-Indian jyotishis and writers some of whom have perhaps a better

appreciation and knowledge and experience of India and Indian culture must not

be confused for their european ancestors or their viewpoints. I strongly believe

in reincarnation and many of the modern non-indian astrologers could very well

be reincarnated souls who once were born in India and returned to taste its rich

culture and their soul-memories!

Rohiniranjan

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> DearKrishna ji

>

> well I had started my astro journey in RAHU dasa rahu from Budha my lagna lord

may be in 2nd but from the catalysts GURU, SANI IT WAS 6/8 my journey started on

72/12/77, though read AM's in early 70;s superficially when i was in early teens

>

> My Guru had said Guru's dasa dos give u the knowledge, but it is sani that

makes u know in the public as a astrologer even the 7th house SAMBANDHA of it in

any manner even kn rAOji too has said similarly on ppl in public space be it

artisans, media, politicians, NGO's, lAWYERS ASTROLOGERS is implied here i guess

>

> about ravana FROM what i hear

>

> Sri rama had sent Angadha to ravana to get the right Muhurtha to start the war

on him which shocks, everyone and angers Lakshmana most to which he says wait

and see u will know why he is a great scholar and have no fears in it

>

> ravana true to that spirit of a Jyotishi did give the right Muhurtha as a

avatara purusha sri rama had know what to do just to highlight the virtues of

his rivals he did show that to the public

>

> ABOVE ALL RAMAYANA IS A BENCHMARK on how individuals must live

> be it a king, a priest, a boatman, a guru, a brother, a washerman a spouse a

son , a father, warrior etc

>

> no one gets this spirit as we read comic strips of ramayana and miss the great

depth it has in it

>

> reading valmikis aranya parva, sundarakhanda etc is supposed to cure many

heart, respiratory disorders

>

> a few slokas of Sundara khanda on domestic bliss in troubled times but neither

our parents had the time nor we to impart this to the next generation as we have

lost our education system fully instead of blending both the good side of ours

and Maculays we discarded ours fully and are stuck with Maculays, which even the

british have discarded and move on.

>

> till it happens we will remain in the rat race world fight to survive

>

> the best part of our system was it is eco friendly fromstart to finish in

life, socialistic in nature but people lived their life in a capatilist way

-that is life as it had to be, thus this capitalims was not greedy, avaricious

as our system is teaching us now.

>

> Prashant

>

> ________________________________

> vattem krishnan <bursar_99

>

> Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:25:13 PM

> Re: Criterion for an astrologer by Sanjay Rath and MR.Narasimha

Rao

>

> Dear Shri Chaudhari Ji,

> In the views of two prominent Astrologers what criteria will be there in a

chart to identify a good Astrologer have been brought out by is very interesting

to read.

> while we were studying in ICAS Delhi Chapter,our Gurus,Mostly used to say that

dasa/anatar/ pratynatar of Jupiter is the main reason to get enroled for jyotish

classes.But some we have also dasa/anatar/ pratynatar of saturn with some aspect

of jupiter in gochara also propelled some to learn jyotish.

> while mentioning about dasa(as it refers to time/period) at what stage

actually one initiates to indicate his urge to analyse charts?is also an issue

that needed some light.

> No doubt mercury link with 10th house also plays an important role in the life

while considering himself to be an Astrologer?

> Interestingly some where in our TV/media it was shown that a tribal girl

started making prediction of lives of some people around.is it that Rahu's

effect?

> Irrespective of an Astrologer is good or bad,the influence of planets in his

life has major role.It might be that how he utilises his skills as Astrologers

for the benifit of his self and society around makes a big difference.This is

where probably Ravana as a very good Astrologer,as a Rakshasa,has misutilised

and that led to his distruction.

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Sat, 3/21/09, chaudhuri.krishnend u <krishnenduchdhr@ gmail.com> wrote:

>

> chaudhuri.krishnend u <krishnenduchdhr@ gmail.com>

> Criterion for an astrologer by Sanjay Rath and MR.Narasimha Rao

>

> Saturday, March 21, 2009, 3:09 PM

>

> How to see a Jyotisha from a chart?

> 9 PRESENTED BY PT.SANJAYRATH

> Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability to see

> the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the fifth

> is the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu

> have special aspect on the fifth house, and are the best

> astrologers. They are followed by Mars who can aspect

> the 8th house. In a chart, planets associated with the

> Panapara Houses make a good astrologer. For example,

> the Atmakaraka associated with the 11th house is a

> sureshot combination for excellence in Jyotish.

> Now, since the two chiefs are Jupiter and Rahu, at any

> given point of time, two schools of thought will prevail.

> One that follows the path of the Maharishi's (Jupiter) and is exceedingly

intelligent, and

> the other that follows the ORIGINAL RESEARCH power of Rahu. While Research is

> good, it should follow the hypothesis of the Maharishi's. Ravana, the king of

Lanka was

> also a great Jyotish, but see where the knowledge led him.. destruction of the

entire

> dynasty. He followed the Jyotish path of RAHU and his lineage was completely

> destroyed due to the anger of Jupiter. None of us are born Rahu's, it is a

choice we

> make. Look at the life of Nostradamus where his entire family was destroyed

and then,

> when he changed his ways, burnt the books of Vulcan and used the knowledge by

> simultaneously respecting the Church, his second family prospered. This is the

main

> difference in that the path of the Maharishi's is full of roses while that of

Rahu is full of

> thorns.

> There are many in the Mailing lists who question the very foundation of Vedic

Jyotish like

> giving arguments that the 8th house is beneficial as it is the 11th (Gains)

for the tenth.

> They do not understand the Maharishi's being limited by their senses. Whenever

in such

> a doubt, it is best to PRAY TO MAHARISHI VEDAVYASA with the mantra " VYAM

> VYASADEVAYA NAMAH " . It is only by His mercy that this knowledge is revealed

and

> avidya goes.

> The first thing to do is to check your own chart for comparative influence of

Rahu &

> Jupiter on the Panapara, chiefly the 5th house and see the planets in these

houses. If a

> large number of planets influence, then they will aid in getting the knowledge

of Jyotisha.

> Qualification of an Astrologer

> 9 PRESENTED BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

> Jupiter is the planet of wisdom, discretion, judgment and traditional

knowledge. Mercury

> is the planet of speech, solid knowledge, logic and reasoning. These two are

the

> significators of astrology. The 2nd and 5th houses are important (also 8th).

The 2nd is

> the house of speech and overall knowledge and awareness. The 5th is the house

of

> intelligence, intuition and perception. The 8th is the house of occult and

also research.

> Some astrologers also have Jovian influence on 10th (karma/action) .

> Usually Jupiter/Mercury has a strong influence on 2nd/5th in rasi or D-10 or

D-24 for

> astrologers. D-10 (dasamsa) is the chart of activities and achievements in

society. D-24

> is the chart of learning and knowledge.

> In addition, D-27 is the chart of strengths and weaknesses. The 2nd in D-27

shows one's

> vaag bala (power of speech) and 5th and 8th show intuition. Those with very

strong

> Mercurian/Jovian (esp Jovian) influence on 2nd/5th/8th in D-27 have a knack

for making

> correct predictions.

> Dasas have a role too. Astrologers go through phases of success and failure.

D-27

> Narayana dasa can be helpful.

> The 5th house in D-27 (strengths and weaknesses) shows intuition and

perception,

> which are very important aspects of making predictions. Saturn is the planet

of

> sluggishness. Sluggishness in using intuition and perception can occur when

the 5th

> house from the dasa sign as per " D-27 Narayana dasa " contains the arudha pada

of

> Saturn or strongly aspected by it (use rasi aspects here). The same analysis

can be

> done for antardasas etc.

> Another related question on Jyotisha

> Â¾ QUESTION BY MS.MANJU

> How important is it to have a strong Jupiter to learn vedic astrology and

become a good

> astrologer? If Jupiter is debilitated in the 6th house doe that mean it is a

hopeless

> situation? What other signs, planets and houses should I check?

> 9 ANSWER BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

> From 6th, he would aspect 2nd and 10th. He would also own 5th and 8th, two

other key

> houses for astrology. I would not call it hopeless.

> A lot depends on other horoscopic factors though. How is your Mercury? He is

the

> secondary significator of astrology and owns 2nd in your case. Also, does

Mercury or

> Gemini have a link with your chara atmakaraka?

> Chaturvimsamsa/ Siddhamsa, denoted as D-24, is important for knowledge related

> activities. Dasamsa, denoted as D-10, is important for professional

activities. See

> Jupiter's strength in them also.

> OM TAT SAT

>

March 22, 2009

Dear Friends,

Still some how in India,the propagation of Astrology in it's pace has been

taking place till Indian Council for Astrology took initiative, to set up a

deemed university and sought also recognition of the courses at universit level.

I know that when i was 10 years old I was very anxious to read to peter vidal

briefings about various zodiac sings.No body can also be ungrateful to

chieronomy or som other form knowldege of prediction he has provided.

Then efforts going on as a subject of vedic university certainly dates back in

India about 1960-70.some of these scholars could unlock sanskritised textts to

convert them into vernocular media facilitating flexibility.

Certainly true david frawley,Svobodov and other certainly helped the astrology

to reduce it;s complexity by making it available in English and other european

languages.in the mean time some good astrologers could seek their fortunes in

other continents and could get funding to set up Astro centers.This definetely

helped in the propagation.But then the context and relevance of Indian jyotish

and also the itihasic references remained for ever in the minds of ordinary

people the belief that Graha dasa and prasannata are also essential for oe'e

efforts to be successful.

But then what really is the concern of jyotish wisdom of Shri Ravna and others

found to be different.iam not really convinced of this logic

vrkrishnan

--- On Sun, 3/22/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: Criterion for an astrologer by Sanjay Rath and MR.Narasimha

Rao

Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:35 PM