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April 1, 2007

Dear Mr.ratnakar,

You are a small kid and just entered astrology it seems. You remind

me of that daughter in law who does not know

to make even a sandwich or a cup of tea, who takes a 1 day crash

course on Cooking , and then tries

to teach her mother in law cooking, to that mother in law who is

cooking food two times daily for twenty years and for 10 persons in a

day.

I have wasted my knowledge and advises on a undeserving person

like you, though my heart and soul reminded me many times not to

waste time on you, yet I kept pity on you and wasted energy and

explanations not deserved by you.

Ethical or unethical does not come in question. When we talk of 5th

house giving children we do not talk whether it comes unethically or

ethically, or same for marriage or any other such results. Ethical or

not comes only if asked by the native.

You are really a obstinate fgoolish person who does not warrant to

even receive a word of knowledge on astrology, You are not fit for

same.

I had realised long back that you dont even know the basics, but want

to appear smart and wise by just using few words you have picked up

by reading half a book on astrology.

Ruining of knowledge should first requisite some knowledge in the

first case in the brains.

You it seems have just taken a alias id and come to target me just to

settle some old stupid jealousies or weaknesses in your system which

you are no more able to identify with.

Visit a Psychiatrist and show yourself. You are a shizrophenic and

psychotic person who is self obsessed with his half baked knowledge

just like a half baked pizza which if eaten by the cook will also

create pains and if served to others would also cause digestive

problem.You are a sick person.

Let the breeze flow and move out. This is not your Fathers Forum to

ask me to come after learning.

Dont waste my time anymore. Your stupid mails make me reply you,

otherwise one tight slap is enough to put foolish persons in place,

unfortunately long distance does not allow that.

Bhaskar.

, Ratnaakar <namra_nivedan

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr.Bhaskar,

> To take loan for any purpose is a matter of pain for one,purity

of purpose is the secondry matter.If we will not check its

repayment,how can we say 6th provides good oppotunity of getting

money? but i do not want to indulge in such unethical arguements or

in questions & answers arised by you self and do not want to ruin my

knowledge too discussing with you.Plz learn more first after come on

forum.Kindly do not give answer.

>

> Good wishes

> Ratnaakar

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Sir,

>

> A Railway train is moveable but when it stops at Kasmir and

> a lady gives a birth to a child there, the child would

> have bee nknown to born in Kasmirs atmosphere. When the sam train

> comes down to Delhi and another lady gives

> birth to another Child here, this child would be born in atmosphere

of

> Delhi. So though the movemeing train is same, but different births

> take place at different stops,though the Railway platform may be

> sthool.Same with Planets.

> We are not talking of re-payment when we talk of 6th house. We

> are talking of good effects of 6th house. Loan taking may be good

for

> a person who wants to get married his daughter and has no money for

> the marriage expenditure. So goodness again differes relatively, as

> how one percieves it. When we talk of goodness in astrological

> parlance and with reference to Finance, any finance recived through

> whatever means is good for the native. 6th may give finance

> either through business, Service,Loans or Commissions brokerage etc.

> 8th through Unearned income which normally comes after some tragedy.

> When we have 12th house in front of us, then we talk and see about

re-

> payment and more so if the 5th house is involved.

>

> When money is received through 6th house by business payment

received

> from material sold to sundry debtors, theres no question of

> re-payment.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , Ratnaakar

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr.Bhaskar,

> > I have explained the same in my first mail sent to you but again

> try to understand over all results will be of planets mainly

because

> degrees are applied on the planets that are moveble and result is

> decided by planets basically.Nakshtras in Hindi have " Sthool "

nature

> but a bit helper indeed.

> > Yes,i am agreed planets in 6th are capable to give good loans but

> remember only loans,it is not sure that native will be able to

repay

> the same in time.Ok

> >

> > Good wishes

> > Ratnaakar

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > Dear Ratnakar,

> >

> > I should be more patient with you on retrospection.

> > And do not like certain statements I made for you.

> > Just forget whatever you never liked. But remember

> > what was said astrologically.

> >

> > I will explain in short and you may pick up

> > the clues from here.

> > You mentioned something like Mars or some

> > other planet in nakshatra of another and will

> > give effects of Agnittatva etc.etc.

> > That same principle please expand and keep on

> > expanding till you reach the Nakshatras second

> > division.Also please note that any Planet can

> > act in two ways.

> > I will give a example

> > Suppose a Planet X is sitting in 8th house.

> > Then it will not give effects of 8th house entirely.

> > 8th house effects would only come as the source.

> > But what would be the results ? The results would be

> > of the Nakshatra dispositor, where it

> > is sitting and has Lordship over

> > which houses. Suppose the Nakshatra

> > dispositor is sitting in 11th and has

> > Lordship over 2nd house and 5th house.

> > Then the resluts coming from the

> > Planet X would be that the native

> > would get either love marriage

> > or Tremendous profits from

> > speculation in Shares and the likes.

> > (Answer would depend on what the

> > Querist is asking You).

> >

> > The planet in 6th is capable of giving good

> > loans and also very good money from business deals

> > (12th to 7th and 7th is a business customer or

> > one with whom one deals or makes a transaction))

> > suppose any planet is in Nakshatra of this

> > Planet sitting in the 6th,

> > then whenever the dasha of this

> > planet comes, the native is capable

> > of getting very good money

> > from his business, or a good job/service too.

> >

> > Thus a Planet though in 6th 8th or 12th

> > is yet capable to give good results if the

> > Nakshatra dispositor is

> > placed in good houses and has lordships

> > over benefic houses.

> >

> > In the same vein and principle , if any Planet

> > is sitting in a good house or has

> > lordships obver benefic houses,

> > but if the Nakshatra dispositor is Lord of

> > Malefic houses and placed too in a malefic house,

> > then the results accrued would

> > be very bad for the native.

> >

> > Keep the above principles in mind

> > and continue studying. You can be a good

> > astrologer in time to come if you

> > are in continous studying, and reviewing of

> > what has been predicted and making notes,

> > on a regular basis.

> >

> > Wish You best of luck and good

> > studies and bright future.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> > (NB The above mail had already been written before you

> > posted the undermentioned mail)I am never perplexed

> > when i talk on astrology. because I always think before

> > writing as a third person, whether what I am writing

> > can be open to or torn to shreds or not, so I

> > always think when I write on astrology. But never think

> > on other matters, for which i regret later on.

> >

> > , Ratnaakar

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > You are looking confused/puzzled.Plz try to give rest to your

> mind

> > otherwise it can be converted in major problem later on.Your

> > behaviour shows you have Leo ascendant and uneasyness in your

faily.

> > > Further i am agree with you that planets placed in 8th house

give

> > goods results, over all this is the house of death the place of

> prime

> > truth but we can not say the same for 6th house.Sometimes it can

> give

> > good results in money matters but sources will not be pure.Your

> last

> > lines show your perplexity.Plz take care.

> > >

> > > Good wishes

> > > Ratnaakar

> > >

> > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > I am sorry for your views and feel sad that I would

> > > not be able to help you in changing the same. You

> > > are mistaken first to think that Krishnamorothy is

> > > different from traditional. This is what most

> > > think. Whereas it is just the Nakshatra part

> > > of the Traditional system perfected. Nothing

> > > else. I too use all the approaches when I start

> > > reading a chart,which should be evident to you uptil

> > > now. No bias for any system is going to work,

> > > About Venus, what you find amazing

> > > is advanced astrology which is predictive

> > > and cannot be explained on Forums and to all.

> > > One needs to have a certain degree of understanding

> > > to consume this knowledge. By the way I try to

> > > approach any chart with Traditional, KP, as well

> > > as by Sayana system ,if time is there on hand.

> > > And I am the only one on all these Forums who advises all

> > > to learn all the approaches and let the results come

> > > common from all the approaches to make it the right one.

> > > Do You know that Planet sitting in 8th house can also

> > > give good results, and the planet sitting

> > > in the 6th gives very good results with

> > > regards to money ? But this is not for those who

> > > feel that they know all and everything in astrology.

> > > Unless one takes out that feeling from within and

> > > looks upon himself as a student always, and also tries to

> > > polish his tools and keep them new always by further

> > > studies, only such astrologers need explanations.

> > > Ego or pride whayever you may call it, I do keep

> > > it because that stuff is there to be proud of, with Gods

> > > grace and Gurujis . But always stay humble when it comes

> > > to further learning. And what is a man without an Ego or

> > > a women without some shynes.

> > >

> > > In Your analysis you have sometimes talked about the

> > > general house placement,sometimes about the Chalit,

> > > and sometimes about the Nakshatra in which the planet

> > > is placed. But not given any coherent relationship between

> > > these in your discussions. No facts and no logic.

> > >

> > > Again I advise , please study further to understand what

> > > I have written and meant. I have no time to explain you,

> > > cause you have a blocked mind, and not reached the desired

> > > levels in your learning for my explanations to be fltered

> > > in, or cast pearls before.....

> > >

> > > You need not reply,

> > > and hope you also see what i see today

> > > within few years.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , Ratnaakar

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Useless threading.You applied Krishnamurthi System I respect

it

> > but

> > > it is not the perfact alone.Renowned astrologer of India Sh.K N

> Rao

> > > Ji always advise to use Parashari,Jemini and Krishnamurthi on

> each

> > > case and at last result will be same,it is sure.As We can

> identify

> > > one by two ways first to say this is the son of such and such

or

> he

> > > is the father of such fellow but meaning is the same but father

> > will

> > > be father and son will be son.Further Genetic signs can not be

> > change

> > > in one.So If any Planed placed in specific house that will

behave

> > > like the same house more or less.According to you even Venus is

> > > placed in 12th melafic house even than it will not generate

this

> > > house and bad effects and we should make it strong wearing

> diamond,

> > > this is quite amazing.

> > > > Who says this native is not smart,calculative and

intelligent.I

> > > am agree but she will be harsh in speaking,dominating and

> > aggressive

> > > as well.You can ask her frequently about the same.Do not be

rigid

> > for

> > > one system try to check by different systems and check your

study

> > as

> > > well.It is my humble request to you.Do not be cofused and over

> > > confident because your such line shows your egoism clearly " Hope

> to

> > > see you some day as a good contender for discussions. "

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Good wishes

> > > > Ratnaakar

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > You are it seems mixing 2-3 systems and its not going to come

> > > > out a a proper mix let me tell you as a friend.

> > > > If You are going to talk about Nakshatras

> > > > then let me tell you,

> > > > You cannot and one should never

> > > > decide the tattwa or results just because

> > > > the Nakshatra is so n so. That is like opening

> > > > a book of Lind a Goodman and then telling the client

> > > > that Your Sun will behave in this way and the Moon

> > > > that way, by just watching

> > > > what planet is in what sign.

> > > > Thats not astrology if you are

> > > > looking for real astrology. A Nakshatra is to the extent of

> > > > 13.20 degrees and one has to check

> > > > at which degree the Planet is on the particular Nakshatra.

> > > > In the lady's chart

> > > > the Planet would give results of which Planet (considering the

> > > > degree of Nakshatra in which placed).

> > > > is given as under.

> > > > Sun would give results of Mercury.

> > > > Moon of Saturn

> > > > Mars of jupiter

> > > > Mercury of Venus

> > > > Jupiter of Rahu

> > > > Venus of Moon

> > > > Saturn of Jupiter

> > > > Rahu of Mars

> > > > and Ketu of Ravi.

> > > >

> > > > (How and why-I cannot teach )

> > > >

> > > > If You talk of Chalit, then which House division are you

> talking

> > > of ?

> > > > You cannot mix results of Nakshatra with any house division .

> > > > Saturn is in 10th Bhava in Chalit and not in 11th as you say

> > > > if you are going to relate the Nakshatra system to it.

> > > >

> > > > In fact Jupiter (Though its 8th Lord0

> > > > and Venus (Though it may be enemy as per you)

> > > > are the only two Planets in her Chart which will give her the

> > > > results of 2, 11 multiplied by 2 times.

> > > > I need not tell you the emaning of this combination.

> > > >

> > > > The native will on the contrary be very smart, calculated,

> > > > intelligent and

> > > > sweet in speaking to her advantage, and not as what You say,

> > > > because her Lagna Lord Sun is in the Nakshatra division of

> > > > mercury which signifies 2 and 11.

> > > > In fact even her Ascendant is in this division and makes it

> > doubly

> > > so.

> > > >

> > > > Saturn signifies 4,5 and 8th Bhava. So if we strenghthen it

> then

> > we

> > > > are making our enemy more stronger to give these results more

> > > > powerfully.

> > > > Saturn is also a Natural enemy to the Lagna Lord Sun, so no

> > question

> > > > of wearing Iron ring. If she wears it then apart from making

> her

> > > 4,5,

> > > > and 8th

> > > > house strong, she is also going to make

> > > > her husband more stronger in giving bad results.

> > > > Already this combination is not goof for any mattter in life

> not

> > > for

> > > > marriage,

> > > > so why to make it more stronger ?

> > > >

> > > > Also do not forget the Signs or ignore them. They also form a

> > part

> > > of

> > > > the Nakshatra system and not away from the same.

> > > >

> > > > The Sun (lagna Lord) is in Earthy and Dual Sign alongwith

Mars

> > and

> > > > Mercury.

> > > > The Moon (mental) Planet is in a Watery and Dual sign.

> > > > Venus is in Watery and Cardinal sign.

> > > > Saturn in Earthy and Fixed sign

> > > > Ketu in Airy and Dual sign.

> > > > Jupiter and Rahu in Fiery and Dual sign.

> > > >

> > > > Then how can we come to conclusion that shw will beharsh in

> > > speaking ?

> > > > No way. The second Cusp is in Nakshatra division of Venus.

And

> > > Venus

> > > > is feminine,

> > > > Watery and beautiful Planet, which will make her speech very

> > sweet

> > > > and not otherwise.

> > > >

> > > > //At last more than 100 highly learned persons are giving

> advices

> > on

> > > > Groups but they are doing this work

> > calmly/silently.Astrology

> > > > needs fact not the logic.Ok//

> > > >

> > > > I do not wish to comment much on this, though i would love to.

> > > > I will just say, that if you feel that some are not working

> > > > silently, then by your targetting these, you would

> > > > not reach an elevated position. Goods have to be

> > > > delivered properly, is the main motto, silently or not

> > > > does not matter. You write along with your id " Namra nivedan'

> > > > but do not behave like this. And I have never claimed to be

> > > > a silent worker.

> > > >

> > > > You have reached a certain stage of learning. But this will

not

> > > > work. i request you to get back to the basics and study

> properly

> > > > and study well before venturing to strike at others. Also

> > > > finish reading a book properly and pick up few others too to

> read.

> > > > One book half read is not going to make one an ...........

> > > >

> > > > Hope to see you some day as a good contender for discussions.

> > > > You have really spent away my Saturday evening.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , Ratnaakar

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > If you have seen this chart carefully,you will find that

Sun

> > and

> > > > Mars both are placed in 2nd house [with a beautiful Raj

> Yoga],but

> > > > both are agni tatva again in the Nakshtra of Sun Uttra

Falguni

> > > > (agnitatva) and are placed in 2nd house of talking & family

> > > > basically.So she will be bit harsh in speaking and will

develop

> > > > enemies due to this reason.Ok

> > > > > Saturn is placed in 11th in chalit,therefore it is not

> harmful

> > as

> > > > it should be and sitted in the Nakshtra of Mars Mrigshira

that

> is

> > > the

> > > > key of Leo ascendant.So it is not harmful and can wear

> frequently

> > > for

> > > > mental peace.Ok

> > > > > Venus is already strong in 12th house but it has enemity

with

> > the

> > > > ascendant Lord and it can change native's pious thinking

placed

> > at

> > > > this melefic place because Ketu is getting the effect of such

> > Venus

> > > > that is aspecting Moon this is not beneficial for him.Ok

> > > > > At last more than 100 highly learned persons are giving

> advices

> > > > on Groups but they are doing this work

> > > > calmly/silently.Astrology needs fact not the logic.Ok

> > > > >

> > > > > Good Wishes

> > > > > Ratnaakar

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > There is no utmost agni tattwa . I

> > > > > shall prove it, if required that she does not have

> > > > > utmost agni tatwa.. Why should she wear a iron ring

> > > > > alone and how will it be beneficial for her ?

> > > > > Why should she never wear diamond ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Now when we vindicate some one elses comments

> > > > > to the contrary, it should always be supported by

> > > > > logical explanation.I await the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > For me, I can give solid logical astrological

> > > > > base for every statement made to the lady.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Ratnaakar

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Alka ji,

> > > > > > There is no need to wear any Gemstone at present but

there

> is

> > > no

> > > > > harm to wear Iron ring alone.In fact it will be beneficial

> for

> > > you

> > > > > because you have utmost Agni - Tatva in yourself and it

will

> > > > control

> > > > > up to the some extent but plz never wear Diamond etc for

the

> > God

> > > > sack

> > > > > as it was advised by some one earlier.It will not be useful

> for

> > > you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ratnaakar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > alka chawla wrote:

> > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pranaam,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for your suggestions. I also feel that I should

not

> > wear

> > > > > stones any more. But one more thing I want to ask whether I

> > > should

> > > > > wear iron ring in my middle finger of left hand or not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Alka

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:43:57 PM

> > > > > > Re: Stones

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Alkaji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have got a lucky Horoscope and a very good

> > > > > > chart. My personal opinion- you need not wear any

> > > > > > stone, but if you have to,then go for Emerald (Panna)

> > > > > > in Gold and let the Cats eye remain in silver.

> > > > > > The diamonds which ladies have to wear out of social

> > > > > > customary norms,you may continue as and when you require

> > > > > > to wear, thats also going to be very good for you,

> > > > > > but I am not suggesting as permanent mandatory

> > > > > > wearing for the diamond you may keep it on/may not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , alka chawla

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pranaam,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for your reply.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My date of birth is 23rd September, 1972, place of

birth

> is

> > > > Delhi

> > > > > > and time of birth is 4.20 a.m.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also note that the two stones I am wearing (cats eye

and

> > > ruby)

> > > > > are

> > > > > > in silver ring.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kindly suggest me which stone I should wear and remove.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and regards.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wednesday, March 28, 2007 4:47:00 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Stones

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your Sun sign should be Virgo, but Lord of which house ?

> > > > > > > Unless we know your time of birth and place of birth its

> > > > > > > difficult to give a sensible reply.,unless one is

buying

> > > > > > > stuff from a Television Mail-Order advertisement.

> > > > > > > You are wearing one Hot stone,One cold metal,

> > > > > > > and one extremely Hot stone (Cats eyw), a peculiar

> > > > > > > combination. On what basis May we know ?

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " alka " wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected members,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please advise me the stones, I should wear according

to

> > my

> > > > date

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > birth i.e. 23rd September, 1972.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am wearing three rings in my left hand.

> > > > > > > > Ruby in last finger.

> > > > > > > > Cats-Eye & iron ring in middly finger.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly advise me whether the above rings/stones are

> > perfect

> > > > for

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > should I change them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Shashie

Shekhar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll ll HARE RAM

> > > > > > > > ll ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My Dear friends,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Aap Sabko " RAM LALA " ke Janam Divas par

> > > > > > > > > Hardik Bandhai !

> > > > > > > > >

>

> === message truncated ===

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April 1, 2007

Dear friends of the Forum,

You would agree that I have kept a lot of patience with this person

who has not been able to give any sound explanation

for the queries put to hom in the start. He is unnecessarily

arguing on my explanations instead of

proving himself right by giving any supporting explanations

to his own staements made initially. He is picking on

replies made to others by me, is giving unasked

advise to person who addressed me personally about the astrology

course. etc.etc.

He is talking most disrespectfully since the start and on

the attack constantly. Whereas I had mantained a defensive elders

stand uptil now.

Please do not blame me now, if he again does something foolish as he

has been doing uptil now. and I would have no other alternative than

to reply in my usual style.

I am no Buddha or Mother Theresa or Mahatma Gandho to give my other

cheek or keep

patience for so long with this pig mentality of his.

best regards,

Bhaskar.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr.ratnakar,

>

> You are a small kid and just entered astrology it seems. You remind

> me of that daughter in law who does not know

> to make even a sandwich or a cup of tea, who takes a 1 day crash

> course on Cooking , and then tries

> to teach her mother in law cooking, to that mother in law who is

> cooking food two times daily for twenty years and for 10 persons in

a

> day.

>

> I have wasted my knowledge and advises on a undeserving person

> like you, though my heart and soul reminded me many times not to

> waste time on you, yet I kept pity on you and wasted energy and

> explanations not deserved by you.

>

> Ethical or unethical does not come in question. When we talk of 5th

> house giving children we do not talk whether it comes unethically

or

> ethically, or same for marriage or any other such results. Ethical

or

> not comes only if asked by the native.

>

> You are really a obstinate fgoolish person who does not warrant to

> even receive a word of knowledge on astrology, You are not fit for

> same.

>

> I had realised long back that you dont even know the basics, but

want

> to appear smart and wise by just using few words you have picked up

> by reading half a book on astrology.

>

> Ruining of knowledge should first requisite some knowledge in the

> first case in the brains.

>

> You it seems have just taken a alias id and come to target me just

to

> settle some old stupid jealousies or weaknesses in your system

which

> you are no more able to identify with.

> Visit a Psychiatrist and show yourself. You are a shizrophenic and

> psychotic person who is self obsessed with his half baked knowledge

> just like a half baked pizza which if eaten by the cook will also

> create pains and if served to others would also cause digestive

> problem.You are a sick person.

>

> Let the breeze flow and move out. This is not your Fathers Forum to

> ask me to come after learning.

>

> Dont waste my time anymore. Your stupid mails make me reply you,

> otherwise one tight slap is enough to put foolish persons in

place,

> unfortunately long distance does not allow that.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , Ratnaakar <namra_nivedan@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr.Bhaskar,

> > To take loan for any purpose is a matter of pain for one,purity

> of purpose is the secondry matter.If we will not check its

> repayment,how can we say 6th provides good oppotunity of getting

> money? but i do not want to indulge in such unethical arguements or

> in questions & answers arised by you self and do not want to ruin

my

> knowledge too discussing with you.Plz learn more first after come

on

> forum.Kindly do not give answer.

> >

> > Good wishes

> > Ratnaakar

> >

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > Sir,

> >

> > A Railway train is moveable but when it stops at Kasmir and

> > a lady gives a birth to a child there, the child would

> > have bee nknown to born in Kasmirs atmosphere. When the sam train

> > comes down to Delhi and another lady gives

> > birth to another Child here, this child would be born in

atmosphere

> of

> > Delhi. So though the movemeing train is same, but different

births

> > take place at different stops,though the Railway platform may be

> > sthool.Same with Planets.

> > We are not talking of re-payment when we talk of 6th house. We

> > are talking of good effects of 6th house. Loan taking may be good

> for

> > a person who wants to get married his daughter and has no money

for

> > the marriage expenditure. So goodness again differes relatively,

as

> > how one percieves it. When we talk of goodness in astrological

> > parlance and with reference to Finance, any finance recived

through

> > whatever means is good for the native. 6th may give finance

> > either through business, Service,Loans or Commissions brokerage

etc.

> > 8th through Unearned income which normally comes after some

tragedy.

> > When we have 12th house in front of us, then we talk and see

about

> re-

> > payment and more so if the 5th house is involved.

> >

> > When money is received through 6th house by business payment

> received

> > from material sold to sundry debtors, theres no question of

> > re-payment.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , Ratnaakar

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar,

> > > I have explained the same in my first mail sent to you but

again

> > try to understand over all results will be of planets mainly

> because

> > degrees are applied on the planets that are moveble and result is

> > decided by planets basically.Nakshtras in Hindi have " Sthool "

> nature

> > but a bit helper indeed.

> > > Yes,i am agreed planets in 6th are capable to give good loans

but

> > remember only loans,it is not sure that native will be able to

> repay

> > the same in time.Ok

> > >

> > > Good wishes

> > > Ratnaakar

> > >

> > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > Dear Ratnakar,

> > >

> > > I should be more patient with you on retrospection.

> > > And do not like certain statements I made for you.

> > > Just forget whatever you never liked. But remember

> > > what was said astrologically.

> > >

> > > I will explain in short and you may pick up

> > > the clues from here.

> > > You mentioned something like Mars or some

> > > other planet in nakshatra of another and will

> > > give effects of Agnittatva etc.etc.

> > > That same principle please expand and keep on

> > > expanding till you reach the Nakshatras second

> > > division.Also please note that any Planet can

> > > act in two ways.

> > > I will give a example

> > > Suppose a Planet X is sitting in 8th house.

> > > Then it will not give effects of 8th house entirely.

> > > 8th house effects would only come as the source.

> > > But what would be the results ? The results would be

> > > of the Nakshatra dispositor, where it

> > > is sitting and has Lordship over

> > > which houses. Suppose the Nakshatra

> > > dispositor is sitting in 11th and has

> > > Lordship over 2nd house and 5th house.

> > > Then the resluts coming from the

> > > Planet X would be that the native

> > > would get either love marriage

> > > or Tremendous profits from

> > > speculation in Shares and the likes.

> > > (Answer would depend on what the

> > > Querist is asking You).

> > >

> > > The planet in 6th is capable of giving good

> > > loans and also very good money from business deals

> > > (12th to 7th and 7th is a business customer or

> > > one with whom one deals or makes a transaction))

> > > suppose any planet is in Nakshatra of this

> > > Planet sitting in the 6th,

> > > then whenever the dasha of this

> > > planet comes, the native is capable

> > > of getting very good money

> > > from his business, or a good job/service too.

> > >

> > > Thus a Planet though in 6th 8th or 12th

> > > is yet capable to give good results if the

> > > Nakshatra dispositor is

> > > placed in good houses and has lordships

> > > over benefic houses.

> > >

> > > In the same vein and principle , if any Planet

> > > is sitting in a good house or has

> > > lordships obver benefic houses,

> > > but if the Nakshatra dispositor is Lord of

> > > Malefic houses and placed too in a malefic house,

> > > then the results accrued would

> > > be very bad for the native.

> > >

> > > Keep the above principles in mind

> > > and continue studying. You can be a good

> > > astrologer in time to come if you

> > > are in continous studying, and reviewing of

> > > what has been predicted and making notes,

> > > on a regular basis.

> > >

> > > Wish You best of luck and good

> > > studies and bright future.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > > (NB The above mail had already been written before you

> > > posted the undermentioned mail)I am never perplexed

> > > when i talk on astrology. because I always think before

> > > writing as a third person, whether what I am writing

> > > can be open to or torn to shreds or not, so I

> > > always think when I write on astrology. But never think

> > > on other matters, for which i regret later on.

> > >

> > > , Ratnaakar

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > You are looking confused/puzzled.Plz try to give rest to your

> > mind

> > > otherwise it can be converted in major problem later on.Your

> > > behaviour shows you have Leo ascendant and uneasyness in your

> faily.

> > > > Further i am agree with you that planets placed in 8th house

> give

> > > goods results, over all this is the house of death the place of

> > prime

> > > truth but we can not say the same for 6th house.Sometimes it

can

> > give

> > > good results in money matters but sources will not be pure.Your

> > last

> > > lines show your perplexity.Plz take care.

> > > >

> > > > Good wishes

> > > > Ratnaakar

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > I am sorry for your views and feel sad that I would

> > > > not be able to help you in changing the same. You

> > > > are mistaken first to think that Krishnamorothy is

> > > > different from traditional. This is what most

> > > > think. Whereas it is just the Nakshatra part

> > > > of the Traditional system perfected. Nothing

> > > > else. I too use all the approaches when I start

> > > > reading a chart,which should be evident to you uptil

> > > > now. No bias for any system is going to work,

> > > > About Venus, what you find amazing

> > > > is advanced astrology which is predictive

> > > > and cannot be explained on Forums and to all.

> > > > One needs to have a certain degree of understanding

> > > > to consume this knowledge. By the way I try to

> > > > approach any chart with Traditional, KP, as well

> > > > as by Sayana system ,if time is there on hand.

> > > > And I am the only one on all these Forums who advises all

> > > > to learn all the approaches and let the results come

> > > > common from all the approaches to make it the right one.

> > > > Do You know that Planet sitting in 8th house can also

> > > > give good results, and the planet sitting

> > > > in the 6th gives very good results with

> > > > regards to money ? But this is not for those who

> > > > feel that they know all and everything in astrology.

> > > > Unless one takes out that feeling from within and

> > > > looks upon himself as a student always, and also tries to

> > > > polish his tools and keep them new always by further

> > > > studies, only such astrologers need explanations.

> > > > Ego or pride whayever you may call it, I do keep

> > > > it because that stuff is there to be proud of, with Gods

> > > > grace and Gurujis . But always stay humble when it comes

> > > > to further learning. And what is a man without an Ego or

> > > > a women without some shynes.

> > > >

> > > > In Your analysis you have sometimes talked about the

> > > > general house placement,sometimes about the Chalit,

> > > > and sometimes about the Nakshatra in which the planet

> > > > is placed. But not given any coherent relationship between

> > > > these in your discussions. No facts and no logic.

> > > >

> > > > Again I advise , please study further to understand what

> > > > I have written and meant. I have no time to explain you,

> > > > cause you have a blocked mind, and not reached the desired

> > > > levels in your learning for my explanations to be fltered

> > > > in, or cast pearls before.....

> > > >

> > > > You need not reply,

> > > > and hope you also see what i see today

> > > > within few years.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , Ratnaakar

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Useless threading.You applied Krishnamurthi System I

respect

> it

> > > but

> > > > it is not the perfact alone.Renowned astrologer of India Sh.K

N

> > Rao

> > > > Ji always advise to use Parashari,Jemini and Krishnamurthi on

> > each

> > > > case and at last result will be same,it is sure.As We can

> > identify

> > > > one by two ways first to say this is the son of such and such

> or

> > he

> > > > is the father of such fellow but meaning is the same but

father

> > > will

> > > > be father and son will be son.Further Genetic signs can not

be

> > > change

> > > > in one.So If any Planed placed in specific house that will

> behave

> > > > like the same house more or less.According to you even Venus

is

> > > > placed in 12th melafic house even than it will not generate

> this

> > > > house and bad effects and we should make it strong wearing

> > diamond,

> > > > this is quite amazing.

> > > > > Who says this native is not smart,calculative and

> intelligent.I

> > > > am agree but she will be harsh in speaking,dominating and

> > > aggressive

> > > > as well.You can ask her frequently about the same.Do not be

> rigid

> > > for

> > > > one system try to check by different systems and check your

> study

> > > as

> > > > well.It is my humble request to you.Do not be cofused and

over

> > > > confident because your such line shows your egoism

clearly " Hope

> > to

> > > > see you some day as a good contender for discussions. "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Good wishes

> > > > > Ratnaakar

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > You are it seems mixing 2-3 systems and its not going to

come

> > > > > out a a proper mix let me tell you as a friend.

> > > > > If You are going to talk about Nakshatras

> > > > > then let me tell you,

> > > > > You cannot and one should never

> > > > > decide the tattwa or results just because

> > > > > the Nakshatra is so n so. That is like opening

> > > > > a book of Lind a Goodman and then telling the client

> > > > > that Your Sun will behave in this way and the Moon

> > > > > that way, by just watching

> > > > > what planet is in what sign.

> > > > > Thats not astrology if you are

> > > > > looking for real astrology. A Nakshatra is to the extent of

> > > > > 13.20 degrees and one has to check

> > > > > at which degree the Planet is on the particular Nakshatra.

> > > > > In the lady's chart

> > > > > the Planet would give results of which Planet (considering

the

> > > > > degree of Nakshatra in which placed).

> > > > > is given as under.

> > > > > Sun would give results of Mercury.

> > > > > Moon of Saturn

> > > > > Mars of jupiter

> > > > > Mercury of Venus

> > > > > Jupiter of Rahu

> > > > > Venus of Moon

> > > > > Saturn of Jupiter

> > > > > Rahu of Mars

> > > > > and Ketu of Ravi.

> > > > >

> > > > > (How and why-I cannot teach )

> > > > >

> > > > > If You talk of Chalit, then which House division are you

> > talking

> > > > of ?

> > > > > You cannot mix results of Nakshatra with any house

division .

> > > > > Saturn is in 10th Bhava in Chalit and not in 11th as you say

> > > > > if you are going to relate the Nakshatra system to it.

> > > > >

> > > > > In fact Jupiter (Though its 8th Lord0

> > > > > and Venus (Though it may be enemy as per you)

> > > > > are the only two Planets in her Chart which will give her

the

> > > > > results of 2, 11 multiplied by 2 times.

> > > > > I need not tell you the emaning of this combination.

> > > > >

> > > > > The native will on the contrary be very smart, calculated,

> > > > > intelligent and

> > > > > sweet in speaking to her advantage, and not as what You say,

> > > > > because her Lagna Lord Sun is in the Nakshatra division of

> > > > > mercury which signifies 2 and 11.

> > > > > In fact even her Ascendant is in this division and makes it

> > > doubly

> > > > so.

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn signifies 4,5 and 8th Bhava. So if we strenghthen it

> > then

> > > we

> > > > > are making our enemy more stronger to give these results

more

> > > > > powerfully.

> > > > > Saturn is also a Natural enemy to the Lagna Lord Sun, so no

> > > question

> > > > > of wearing Iron ring. If she wears it then apart from

making

> > her

> > > > 4,5,

> > > > > and 8th

> > > > > house strong, she is also going to make

> > > > > her husband more stronger in giving bad results.

> > > > > Already this combination is not goof for any mattter in

life

> > not

> > > > for

> > > > > marriage,

> > > > > so why to make it more stronger ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Also do not forget the Signs or ignore them. They also form

a

> > > part

> > > > of

> > > > > the Nakshatra system and not away from the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Sun (lagna Lord) is in Earthy and Dual Sign alongwith

> Mars

> > > and

> > > > > Mercury.

> > > > > The Moon (mental) Planet is in a Watery and Dual sign.

> > > > > Venus is in Watery and Cardinal sign.

> > > > > Saturn in Earthy and Fixed sign

> > > > > Ketu in Airy and Dual sign.

> > > > > Jupiter and Rahu in Fiery and Dual sign.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then how can we come to conclusion that shw will beharsh in

> > > > speaking ?

> > > > > No way. The second Cusp is in Nakshatra division of Venus.

> And

> > > > Venus

> > > > > is feminine,

> > > > > Watery and beautiful Planet, which will make her speech

very

> > > sweet

> > > > > and not otherwise.

> > > > >

> > > > > //At last more than 100 highly learned persons are giving

> > advices

> > > on

> > > > > Groups but they are doing this work

> > > calmly/silently.Astrology

> > > > > needs fact not the logic.Ok//

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not wish to comment much on this, though i would love

to.

> > > > > I will just say, that if you feel that some are not working

> > > > > silently, then by your targetting these, you would

> > > > > not reach an elevated position. Goods have to be

> > > > > delivered properly, is the main motto, silently or not

> > > > > does not matter. You write along with your id " Namra

nivedan'

> > > > > but do not behave like this. And I have never claimed to be

> > > > > a silent worker.

> > > > >

> > > > > You have reached a certain stage of learning. But this will

> not

> > > > > work. i request you to get back to the basics and study

> > properly

> > > > > and study well before venturing to strike at others. Also

> > > > > finish reading a book properly and pick up few others too

to

> > read.

> > > > > One book half read is not going to make one an ...........

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope to see you some day as a good contender for

discussions.

> > > > > You have really spent away my Saturday evening.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Ratnaakar

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you have seen this chart carefully,you will find that

> Sun

> > > and

> > > > > Mars both are placed in 2nd house [with a beautiful Raj

> > Yoga],but

> > > > > both are agni tatva again in the Nakshtra of Sun Uttra

> Falguni

> > > > > (agnitatva) and are placed in 2nd house of talking & family

> > > > > basically.So she will be bit harsh in speaking and will

> develop

> > > > > enemies due to this reason.Ok

> > > > > > Saturn is placed in 11th in chalit,therefore it is not

> > harmful

> > > as

> > > > > it should be and sitted in the Nakshtra of Mars Mrigshira

> that

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > key of Leo ascendant.So it is not harmful and can wear

> > frequently

> > > > for

> > > > > mental peace.Ok

> > > > > > Venus is already strong in 12th house but it has enemity

> with

> > > the

> > > > > ascendant Lord and it can change native's pious thinking

> placed

> > > at

> > > > > this melefic place because Ketu is getting the effect of

such

> > > Venus

> > > > > that is aspecting Moon this is not beneficial for him.Ok

> > > > > > At last more than 100 highly learned persons are giving

> > advices

> > > > > on Groups but they are doing this work

> > > > > calmly/silently.Astrology needs fact not the logic.Ok

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good Wishes

> > > > > > Ratnaakar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > There is no utmost agni tattwa . I

> > > > > > shall prove it, if required that she does not have

> > > > > > utmost agni tatwa.. Why should she wear a iron ring

> > > > > > alone and how will it be beneficial for her ?

> > > > > > Why should she never wear diamond ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now when we vindicate some one elses comments

> > > > > > to the contrary, it should always be supported by

> > > > > > logical explanation.I await the same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For me, I can give solid logical astrological

> > > > > > base for every statement made to the lady.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Ratnaakar

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Alka ji,

> > > > > > > There is no need to wear any Gemstone at present but

> there

> > is

> > > > no

> > > > > > harm to wear Iron ring alone.In fact it will be

beneficial

> > for

> > > > you

> > > > > > because you have utmost Agni - Tatva in yourself and it

> will

> > > > > control

> > > > > > up to the some extent but plz never wear Diamond etc for

> the

> > > God

> > > > > sack

> > > > > > as it was advised by some one earlier.It will not be

useful

> > for

> > > > you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ratnaakar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > alka chawla wrote:

> > > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pranaam,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for your suggestions. I also feel that I should

> not

> > > wear

> > > > > > stones any more. But one more thing I want to ask whether

I

> > > > should

> > > > > > wear iron ring in my middle finger of left hand or not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Alka

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:43:57 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Stones

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Alkaji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have got a lucky Horoscope and a very good

> > > > > > > chart. My personal opinion- you need not wear any

> > > > > > > stone, but if you have to,then go for Emerald (Panna)

> > > > > > > in Gold and let the Cats eye remain in silver.

> > > > > > > The diamonds which ladies have to wear out of social

> > > > > > > customary norms,you may continue as and when you require

> > > > > > > to wear, thats also going to be very good for you,

> > > > > > > but I am not suggesting as permanent mandatory

> > > > > > > wearing for the diamond you may keep it on/may not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , alka chawla

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pranaam,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My date of birth is 23rd September, 1972, place of

> birth

> > is

> > > > > Delhi

> > > > > > > and time of birth is 4.20 a.m.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Also note that the two stones I am wearing (cats eye

> and

> > > > ruby)

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > in silver ring.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly suggest me which stone I should wear and

remove.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Wednesday, March 28, 2007 4:47:00 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Stones

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your Sun sign should be Virgo, but Lord of which

house ?

> > > > > > > > Unless we know your time of birth and place of birth

its

> > > > > > > > difficult to give a sensible reply.,unless one is

> buying

> > > > > > > > stuff from a Television Mail-Order advertisement.

> > > > > > > > You are wearing one Hot stone,One cold metal,

> > > > > > > > and one extremely Hot stone (Cats eyw), a peculiar

> > > > > > > > combination. On what basis May we know ?

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " alka " wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected members,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please advise me the stones, I should wear

according

> to

> > > my

> > > > > date

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > birth i.e. 23rd September, 1972.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am wearing three rings in my left hand.

> > > > > > > > > Ruby in last finger.

> > > > > > > > > Cats-Eye & iron ring in middly finger.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kindly advise me whether the above rings/stones are

> > > perfect

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > should I change them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , Shashie

> Shekhar

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April 1, 2007

Dear Bhaskar,

Why are explaining me about your psychiatric problems? how can i help you

about the same? when i was indulging in discussions with you,i received some

e-mails advising me for not to argue this person because he is a half mad but i

never paid my attention towards these words but now i realize they were right.If

you have mind do try to think.

Why should i have jealous to you while even i do not know you? Why do i have

fake ID?

In spite of your vulgar e-mail i am writing you in polite manner,it is the

identity of mine and my ID but sorry you could not get good sanskaar in your

childhood.At last i do request you to plz do not push astrology in to the ruin

by so called your advanced knowledge.It is the insult of divine learning.

Good wishes

Ratnaakar

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Dear Mr.ratnakar,

You are a small kid and just entered astrology it seems. You remind

me of that daughter in law who does not know

to make even a sandwich or a cup of tea, who takes a 1 day crash

course on Cooking , and then tries

to teach her mother in law cooking, to that mother in law who is

cooking food two times daily for twenty years and for 10 persons in a

day.

I have wasted my knowledge and advises on a undeserving person

like you, though my heart and soul reminded me many times not to

waste time on you, yet I kept pity on you and wasted energy and

explanations not deserved by you.

Ethical or unethical does not come in question. When we talk of 5th

house giving children we do not talk whether it comes unethically or

ethically, or same for marriage or any other such results. Ethical or

not comes only if asked by the native.

You are really a obstinate fgoolish person who does not warrant to

even receive a word of knowledge on astrology, You are not fit for

same.

I had realised long back that you dont even know the basics, but want

to appear smart and wise by just using few words you have picked up

by reading half a book on astrology.

Ruining of knowledge should first requisite some knowledge in the

first case in the brains.

You it seems have just taken a alias id and come to target me just to

settle some old stupid jealousies or weaknesses in your system which

you are no more able to identify with.

Visit a Psychiatrist and show yourself. You are a shizrophenic and

psychotic person who is self obsessed with his half baked knowledge

just like a half baked pizza which if eaten by the cook will also

create pains and if served to others would also cause digestive

problem.You are a sick person.

Let the breeze flow and move out. This is not your Fathers Forum to

ask me to come after learning.

Dont waste my time anymore. Your stupid mails make me reply you,

otherwise one tight slap is enough to put foolish persons in place,

unfortunately long distance does not allow that.

Bhaskar.

, Ratnaakar

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr.Bhaskar,

> To take loan for any purpose is a matter of pain for one,purity

of purpose is the secondry matter.If we will not check its

repayment,how can we say 6th provides good oppotunity of getting

money? but i do not want to indulge in such unethical arguements or

in questions & answers arised by you self and do not want to ruin my

knowledge too discussing with you.Plz learn more first after come on

forum.Kindly do not give answer.

>

> Good wishes

> Ratnaakar

>

> Bhaskar wrote: