LIGHT POST -- Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study

[Guest guest]

Dear Krishnan Dada,

 

Never trust Jamataas (JAA-MITRAS!). They steal one's beloved daughters and think

they can compensate by giving grandchildren to the sore loser :-)

 

I am just being naughty, of course! A beautiful soul like you can only run into

more beautiful souls (present company excepted!).

 

If everyone were involved in cleaning up Maya, spiritually, societies would be

in trouble! There is a " division of labour " as our childhood biology classes

taught when we were taught about the organism named Hydra (The Greek

mythological story about this larger than life creature is even more

interesting!).

 

Truly focused Priest/Karmkandi panditji does his job, surgeon does his thing --

the trusting patient receives healing in body and soul! The family of relatives

provides the LOVE!

 

LIFE CAN BE VERY SIMPLE! If we all just could find FAITH!!

 

RR

 

 

 

 

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dada,

> issue made out very lively.Ab ZHILMIL bhi aagaya.Doondhna hai for cleaning the

cornea for spirtual upliftment.ofcourse my son inlaw is a doctorate in vision

scinces but unfit in matters relating to maya.

> we need some body and may be our colleague shri mrityunjayaji has to donate

his time and involve in this exercis and will be deviation to enjoy lighter

moments

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> Re: Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study

>

> Friday, April 17, 2009, 7:32 PM

>

>

But, Krishnan Dada, Divinatory crafts are supposed to reduce the " maya " so

that the eye-glasses are cleaner and more transparent at least until such time

when we get the corneal laser surgery of Spiritual upliftment and can see

clearly without eye-glasses or divinatory advice!

>

> I hope the example and analogy works for you and others ;-)

>

> The ninth house of dharma and bhagya and spiritual matters (possible in the

spiritual varga or kshetra (as a general chart) has the 2nd house (clear vision

and niyama) as its house of illness, its challenges in terms of what keeps its

vitality high and the 12th therefrom of course is the lagna, the loss of illness

and recovery!

>

> Being the 8th therefrom, the obstacles for the 9th house obviously is the 4th

-- home, being in mother's care (not my problem, the attitude of: someone shall

look after my growth and well-being!) , sukh-contentment! As Raman-ji points out

in his writings and more ancient sources too I presume, the 4th also represents

the final resting place where growth dies in the lap of contentment and bliss!

>

> Maya, through showing its flippant and ZHILMIL is actually not all that bad,

but what keeps us alert and growing! Strange statement but I learned it from a

kitten who is almost a cat (estimated birthday was 18-April-2008) ! Very playful

when it began to live with humans, as she grows (like any other cat or most cats

anyway) she goes into these 'meditative' naps that can last minuts or hours.

Flash a Maya in front of it, be it a new smell, movement or a red sparkling

ribbon and the " kitten " comes alive and back in the throne of Arudha -- that

which others perceive! Some may see in this example a cat regressing in a

psychodynamic sense, but others may say that a kitten can still grow but a cat

is pretty much done growing! ;-)

>

> Growth anyday!!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dada,

> > Maya is what is around making us to prod how these flippings are becoming

effective.Sine ce it is maya related, it goes beyond our conception.

> > yet visionaries around us make us to work/try/respond( flap) for the

environmental instincts..Somethin g a psychologist called vaguely as intution

and a philosopher no doubt (could believe maya) understands competencies better

as he knows that what is ultimate is beyond him.Might be (?) the reason some

times in the forum comes restlessness as we always provoke the 7/9 planets(that

r otherwise in a state of influx) and want to wait and see further happenings.An

attempt through intution to invade Maya.Poor Guy(Astrologer) might be aware that

some thing he conveys might help and give some instantaneous relief from

pain/sufferings

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > Re: Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study

> >

> > Thursday, April 16, 2009, 8:25 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Krishnan Dada,

> >

> > None of us really KNOWS for sure what is really the way it all works or

operates!

> >

> > To me, it may be a big flapping FAN, to another it may be a long and

powerful elongated object that has a soft end that makes noises and can suck

things in, to my friend next to me he describes it as a rough but very hard kind

of curved object that begins or ends in a soft fleshy sleeve, depending on where

he began or ended his groping and exploration! To another in our exploration

party it took a bit of adjustment but the whip that flipped and hit and lashed

him from time to time, both hard and soft eventually was experienced as an

effective device out of his control which kept the mosquitoes and flies away --

but he wished really that the lashing thing smelt better! And the MAYA of

perception and misperception and limited understanding continues ...

> >

> > I think it is a MAMMOTH of a PROBLEM!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Tripathy Ji,

> > > A very intersting point has been evolved about jyotish.probabily

Astrologer does not really take a reourse to intution as intution happens to be

a guiding factor and helps in eleimination of what is not correct if not

seemingly correct.

> > > Ofcourse we need to have thorough understanding of all basics and

experience in judgement is also very essential besides you summarise the whole

lot of picture into an understandable conseuences which are likely to happen as

a result of Gochara.aspects or dasas or yogas existing in the position of

planets in the chart.

> > > I think Shri Dhar saab is right that no body should worry that some body

is likely to steal ideas and project them.Even if it is resorted it can not help

in long term>ofcourse in the group I have seen some kind of borrowing of the

views.it is best we do not take note of such immature acts

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...>

> > > Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study

> > >

> > > Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:00 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear friend,

> > >

> > > To make study (both teaching and learning )of astrology useful we should

avoid intution at all cost at all levels.

> > >

> > > As ordinary human faculty is unable to differentiate between the signals

originating from pure-intelligence (jupiter) and emotions (mind).

> > >

> > > Note that steadiness of emotion is one of the precondition for becoming a

good Jyotish.

> > >

> > > IT IS SAFER WE AVOID EMOTIONS IN EVERY STATES OF OUR USAGE OF

JYOTISH...EITHER LEARNING OR COUNSELLING OR DOING RESEEARCH.

> > >

> > > With regards and best wishes,

> > >

> > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> > >

> > > , " Pom " <pankajdhar@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I agree Prashant Ji. Intuition is the key.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > But till it is perfect, in my humble opinion- suing a tool as a midway

is one of the solutions.As we all do..else we not have been studying

astrology...

> > > >

> > > > Although as per some references pure LOGIC is also intuitive..so more

rigrously one works with a framework- the more intuitive one may become- as

atleast the subconscious gets trained that way.

> > > >

> > > > As per some experts( I dont have the reference for the same) intution is

an outcome of a) Sub concious b) super conscious proces...to make it un erring

the latter needs to de devloepd more..

> > > >

> > > > But may be till one reaches that level- one could hold to a)..sharpening

the tool....and one way out is focus on only one system at a time..then try to

see the redictions..

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is a tool. But in my opinion to build up more discipline- one may

try to give predictions based on:

> > > >

> > > > a) Dasha only

> > > > b) transits

> > > > c) Vedic numbers.

> > > >

> > > > The idea is to build focus on one system.... I think this helps to build

up confidence..

> > > >

> > > > Anyways - it is just an input....that convergence. ..should be there..

or could be there... taht is all..

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Punkajj.

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Pankaj

> > > > >

> > > > > not sure why u wanted this msg to be here, did any1 say so?

> > > > >

> > > > > knowledge can't be stolen, max shared and Jyotishya is no one can

claim mastery in it as Intution, karma balance sheet of the querist, astrologer

and Almighty's grace need to be in sync to make it happen ou r knowledge is just

a tool the script is well above us- Astrologers r just interpreters of divine

script. they cant write the script to feel superior or stealable.

> > > > >

> > > > > it is another thing that we can impart our methodology, approach

knowledge to ones interested in purusing this subject but this works on the said

3 principles finally else why will so many padatthis, SA, khichid stuff come

iand work still as INTUTION is the key

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Pom <pankajdhar@ >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:20:01 PM

> > > > > MIS-CONCEPTIONS an " Astrologer " should not entertain..-

Predictive Convergence?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > Some of the " astrologers " entertain a misconception- that some one

will copy their method of prediction or their prediction.

> > > > >

> > > > > This only some one will do who lacks confidence in himself.A competent

one would not do the same

> > > > >

> > > > > Working and verifying various systems indepndently- be it chinese

astro,

> > > > > numbers, vedic astro (Gochar based or dasha), if a basic level of

mastery is there- PREDICTIONS GENERALLY CONVERGE, with some varying degrees of

details..( they change from one mdoel to other, but generally they CONVERGE...)

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, failures are there- which we agreed are there due to inherent

prediction methods in astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > Punkajj

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I agree with you.The age we are there is devoid of trust in homosapiens..once we

love each other trust progresses ending in healing of anything.But a remote

view.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Fri, 4/17/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: LIGHT POST -- Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study

 

Friday, April 17, 2009, 10:00 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishnan Dada,

 

Never trust Jamataas (JAA-MITRAS! ). They steal one's beloved daughters and

think they can compensate by giving grandchildren to the sore loser :-)

 

I am just being naughty, of course! A beautiful soul like you can only run into

more beautiful souls (present company excepted!).

 

If everyone were involved in cleaning up Maya, spiritually, societies would be

in trouble! There is a " division of labour " as our childhood biology classes

taught when we were taught about the organism named Hydra (The Greek

mythological story about this larger than life creature is even more

interesting! ).

 

Truly focused Priest/Karmkandi panditji does his job, surgeon does his thing --

the trusting patient receives healing in body and soul! The family of relatives

provides the LOVE!

 

LIFE CAN BE VERY SIMPLE! If we all just could find FAITH!!

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dada,

> issue made out very lively.Ab ZHILMIL bhi aagaya.Doondhna hai for cleaning the

cornea for spirtual upliftment.ofcourse my son inlaw is a doctorate in vision

scinces but unfit in matters relating to maya.

> we need some body and may be our colleague shri mrityunjayaji has to donate

his time and involve in this exercis and will be deviation to enjoy lighter

moments

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> Re: Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study

>

> Friday, April 17, 2009, 7:32 PM

>

>

But, Krishnan Dada, Divinatory crafts are supposed to reduce the " maya " so

that the eye-glasses are cleaner and more transparent at least until such time

when we get the corneal laser surgery of Spiritual upliftment and can see

clearly without eye-glasses or divinatory advice!

>

> I hope the example and analogy works for you and others ;-)

>

> The ninth house of dharma and bhagya and spiritual matters (possible in the

spiritual varga or kshetra (as a general chart) has the 2nd house (clear vision

and niyama) as its house of illness, its challenges in terms of what keeps its

vitality high and the 12th therefrom of course is the lagna, the loss of illness

and recovery!

>

> Being the 8th therefrom, the obstacles for the 9th house obviously is the 4th

-- home, being in mother's care (not my problem, the attitude of: someone shall

look after my growth and well-being!) , sukh-contentment! As Raman-ji points out

in his writings and more ancient sources too I presume, the 4th also represents

the final resting place where growth dies in the lap of contentment and bliss!

>

> Maya, through showing its flippant and ZHILMIL is actually not all that bad,

but what keeps us alert and growing! Strange statement but I learned it from a

kitten who is almost a cat (estimated birthday was 18-April-2008) ! Very playful

when it began to live with humans, as she grows (like any other cat or most cats

anyway) she goes into these 'meditative' naps that can last minuts or hours.

Flash a Maya in front of it, be it a new smell, movement or a red sparkling

ribbon and the " kitten " comes alive and back in the throne of Arudha -- that

which others perceive! Some may see in this example a cat regressing in a

psychodynamic sense, but others may say that a kitten can still grow but a cat

is pretty much done growing! ;-)

>

> Growth anyday!!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dada,

> > Maya is what is around making us to prod how these flippings are becoming

effective.Sine ce it is maya related, it goes beyond our conception.

> > yet visionaries around us make us to work/try/respond( flap) for the

environmental instincts..Somethin g a psychologist called vaguely as intution

and a philosopher no doubt (could believe maya) understands competencies better

as he knows that what is ultimate is beyond him.Might be (?) the reason some

times in the forum comes restlessness as we always provoke the 7/9 planets(that

r otherwise in a state of influx) and want to wait and see further happenings.An

attempt through intution to invade Maya.Poor Guy(Astrologer) might be aware that

some thing he conveys might help and give some instantaneous relief from

pain/sufferings

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > Re: Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study

> >

> > Thursday, April 16, 2009, 8:25 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Krishnan Dada,

> >

> > None of us really KNOWS for sure what is really the way it all works or

operates!

> >

> > To me, it may be a big flapping FAN, to another it may be a long and

powerful elongated object that has a soft end that makes noises and can suck

things in, to my friend next to me he describes it as a rough but very hard kind

of curved object that begins or ends in a soft fleshy sleeve, depending on where

he began or ended his groping and exploration! To another in our exploration

party it took a bit of adjustment but the whip that flipped and hit and lashed

him from time to time, both hard and soft eventually was experienced as an

effective device out of his control which kept the mosquitoes and flies away --

but he wished really that the lashing thing smelt better! And the MAYA of

perception and misperception and limited understanding continues ...

> >

> > I think it is a MAMMOTH of a PROBLEM!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Tripathy Ji,

> > > A very intersting point has been evolved about jyotish.probabily

Astrologer does not really take a reourse to intution as intution happens to be

a guiding factor and helps in eleimination of what is not correct if not

seemingly correct.

> > > Ofcourse we need to have thorough understanding of all basics and

experience in judgement is also very essential besides you summarise the whole

lot of picture into an understandable conseuences which are likely to happen as

a result of Gochara.aspects or dasas or yogas existing in the position of

planets in the chart.

> > > I think Shri Dhar saab is right that no body should worry that some body

is likely to steal ideas and project them.Even if it is resorted it can not help

in long term>ofcourse in the group I have seen some kind of borrowing of the

views.it is best we do not take note of such immature acts

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...>

> > > Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study

> > >

> > > Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:00 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear friend,

> > >

> > > To make study (both teaching and learning )of astrology useful we should

avoid intution at all cost at all levels.

> > >

> > > As ordinary human faculty is unable to differentiate between the signals

originating from pure-intelligence (jupiter) and emotions (mind).

> > >

> > > Note that steadiness of emotion is one of the precondition for becoming a

good Jyotish.

> > >

> > > IT IS SAFER WE AVOID EMOTIONS IN EVERY STATES OF OUR USAGE OF

JYOTISH...EITHER LEARNING OR COUNSELLING OR DOING RESEEARCH.

> > >

> > > With regards and best wishes,

> > >

> > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> > >

> > > , " Pom " <pankajdhar@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I agree Prashant Ji. Intuition is the key.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > But till it is perfect, in my humble opinion- suing a tool as a midway

is one of the solutions.As we all do..else we not have been studying

astrology...

> > > >

> > > > Although as per some references pure LOGIC is also intuitive..so more

rigrously one works with a framework- the more intuitive one may become- as

atleast the subconscious gets trained that way.

> > > >

> > > > As per some experts( I dont have the reference for the same) intution is

an outcome of a) Sub concious b) super conscious proces...to make it un erring

the latter needs to de devloepd more..

> > > >

> > > > But may be till one reaches that level- one could hold to a)..sharpening

the tool....and one way out is focus on only one system at a time..then try to

see the redictions..

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is a tool. But in my opinion to build up more discipline- one may

try to give predictions based on:

> > > >

> > > > a) Dasha only

> > > > b) transits

> > > > c) Vedic numbers.

> > > >

> > > > The idea is to build focus on one system.... I think this helps to build

up confidence..

> > > >

> > > > Anyways - it is just an input....that convergence. ..should be there..

or could be there... taht is all..

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Punkajj.

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Pankaj

> > > > >

> > > > > not sure why u wanted this msg to be here, did any1 say so?

> > > > >

> > > > > knowledge can't be stolen, max shared and Jyotishya is no one can

claim mastery in it as Intution, karma balance sheet of the querist, astrologer

and Almighty's grace need to be in sync to make it happen ou r knowledge is just

a tool the script is well above us- Astrologers r just interpreters of divine

script. they cant write the script to feel superior or stealable.

> > > > >

> > > > > it is another thing that we can impart our methodology, approach

knowledge to ones interested in purusing this subject but this works on the said

3 principles finally else why will so many padatthis, SA, khichid stuff come

iand work still as INTUTION is the key

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Pom <pankajdhar@ >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:20:01 PM

> > > > > MIS-CONCEPTIONS an " Astrologer " should not entertain..-

Predictive Convergence?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > Some of the " astrologers " entertain a misconception- that some one

will copy their method of prediction or their prediction.

> > > > >

> > > > > This only some one will do who lacks confidence in himself.A competent

one would not do the same

> > > > >

> > > > > Working and verifying various systems indepndently- be it chinese

astro,

> > > > > numbers, vedic astro (Gochar based or dasha), if a basic level of

mastery is there- PREDICTIONS GENERALLY CONVERGE, with some varying degrees of

details..( they change from one mdoel to other, but generally they CONVERGE...)

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, failures are there- which we agreed are there due to inherent

prediction methods in astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > Punkajj

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

The sad reality though, Dada, is that illusory faith that escapes and many

nativities fuss and fume and wonder why the remedies are not working or why they

are not getting the results.

 

The time to begin looking for a petrol-pump is when the needle gets too close to

'E', for comfort. If the jalopy or scooter ('reserve' setting invoked already!)

has already started coughing and stuttering (like the death rattle for

automotives as they say!), and one then begins looking for a petrol-pump, it is

kind of late, NO? That is when one must be prepared to walk -- perhaps a long

and arduous walk and hope that you did remember to bring the jerry-can of good

karma!

 

It is sad, though :-(

 

Karman Ki Gati Nyaari Uudho -- as Saint Meera stated and reminded those who may

<follow> what she was trying to say and remind ...

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> I agree with you.The age we are there is devoid of trust in homosapiens..once

we love each other trust progresses ending in healing of anything.But a remote

view.

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> Re: LIGHT POST -- Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study

>

> Friday, April 17, 2009, 10:00 PM

>

>

Dear Krishnan Dada,

>

> Never trust Jamataas (JAA-MITRAS! ). They steal one's beloved daughters and

think they can compensate by giving grandchildren to the sore loser :-)

>

> I am just being naughty, of course! A beautiful soul like you can only run

into more beautiful souls (present company excepted!).

>

> If everyone were involved in cleaning up Maya, spiritually, societies would be

in trouble! There is a " division of labour " as our childhood biology classes

taught when we were taught about the organism named Hydra (The Greek

mythological story about this larger than life creature is even more

interesting! ).

>

> Truly focused Priest/Karmkandi panditji does his job, surgeon does his thing

-- the trusting patient receives healing in body and soul! The family of

relatives provides the LOVE!

>

> LIFE CAN BE VERY SIMPLE! If we all just could find FAITH!!

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dada,

> > issue made out very lively.Ab ZHILMIL bhi aagaya.Doondhna hai for cleaning

the cornea for spirtual upliftment.ofcourse my son inlaw is a doctorate in

vision scinces but unfit in matters relating to maya.

> > we need some body and may be our colleague shri mrityunjayaji has to donate

his time and involve in this exercis and will be deviation to enjoy lighter

moments

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > Re: Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study

> >

> > Friday, April 17, 2009, 7:32 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > But, Krishnan Dada, Divinatory crafts are supposed to reduce the " maya " so

that the eye-glasses are cleaner and more transparent at least until such time

when we get the corneal laser surgery of Spiritual upliftment and can see

clearly without eye-glasses or divinatory advice!

> >

> > I hope the example and analogy works for you and others ;-)

> >

> > The ninth house of dharma and bhagya and spiritual matters (possible in the

spiritual varga or kshetra (as a general chart) has the 2nd house (clear vision

and niyama) as its house of illness, its challenges in terms of what keeps its

vitality high and the 12th therefrom of course is the lagna, the loss of illness

and recovery!

> >

> > Being the 8th therefrom, the obstacles for the 9th house obviously is the

4th -- home, being in mother's care (not my problem, the attitude of: someone

shall look after my growth and well-being!) , sukh-contentment! As Raman-ji

points out in his writings and more ancient sources too I presume, the 4th also

represents the final resting place where growth dies in the lap of contentment

and bliss!

> >

> > Maya, through showing its flippant and ZHILMIL is actually not all that bad,

but what keeps us alert and growing! Strange statement but I learned it from a

kitten who is almost a cat (estimated birthday was 18-April-2008) ! Very playful

when it began to live with humans, as she grows (like any other cat or most cats

anyway) she goes into these 'meditative' naps that can last minuts or hours.

Flash a Maya in front of it, be it a new smell, movement or a red sparkling

ribbon and the " kitten " comes alive and back in the throne of Arudha -- that

which others perceive! Some may see in this example a cat regressing in a

psychodynamic sense, but others may say that a kitten can still grow but a cat

is pretty much done growing! ;-)

> >

> > Growth anyday!!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Dada,

> > > Maya is what is around making us to prod how these flippings are becoming

effective.Sine ce it is maya related, it goes beyond our conception.

> > > yet visionaries around us make us to work/try/respond( flap) for the

environmental instincts..Somethin g a psychologist called vaguely as intution

and a philosopher no doubt (could believe maya) understands competencies better

as he knows that what is ultimate is beyond him.Might be (?) the reason some

times in the forum comes restlessness as we always provoke the 7/9 planets(that

r otherwise in a state of influx) and want to wait and see further happenings.An

attempt through intution to invade Maya.Poor Guy(Astrologer) might be aware that

some thing he conveys might help and give some instantaneous relief from

pain/sufferings

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > Re: Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study

> > >

> > > Thursday, April 16, 2009, 8:25 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Krishnan Dada,

> > >

> > > None of us really KNOWS for sure what is really the way it all works or

operates!

> > >

> > > To me, it may be a big flapping FAN, to another it may be a long and

powerful elongated object that has a soft end that makes noises and can suck

things in, to my friend next to me he describes it as a rough but very hard kind

of curved object that begins or ends in a soft fleshy sleeve, depending on where

he began or ended his groping and exploration! To another in our exploration

party it took a bit of adjustment but the whip that flipped and hit and lashed

him from time to time, both hard and soft eventually was experienced as an

effective device out of his control which kept the mosquitoes and flies away --

but he wished really that the lashing thing smelt better! And the MAYA of

perception and misperception and limited understanding continues ...

> > >

> > > I think it is a MAMMOTH of a PROBLEM!!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Tripathy Ji,

> > > > A very intersting point has been evolved about jyotish.probabily

Astrologer does not really take a reourse to intution as intution happens to be

a guiding factor and helps in eleimination of what is not correct if not

seemingly correct.

> > > > Ofcourse we need to have thorough understanding of all basics and

experience in judgement is also very essential besides you summarise the whole

lot of picture into an understandable conseuences which are likely to happen as

a result of Gochara.aspects or dasas or yogas existing in the position of

planets in the chart.

> > > > I think Shri Dhar saab is right that no body should worry that some body

is likely to steal ideas and project them.Even if it is resorted it can not help

in long term>ofcourse in the group I have seen some kind of borrowing of the

views.it is best we do not take note of such immature acts

> > > > vrkrishnan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...>

> > > > Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:00 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear friend,

> > > >

> > > > To make study (both teaching and learning )of astrology useful we should

avoid intution at all cost at all levels.

> > > >

> > > > As ordinary human faculty is unable to differentiate between the signals

originating from pure-intelligence (jupiter) and emotions (mind).

> > > >

> > > > Note that steadiness of emotion is one of the precondition for becoming

a good Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > IT IS SAFER WE AVOID EMOTIONS IN EVERY STATES OF OUR USAGE OF

JYOTISH...EITHER LEARNING OR COUNSELLING OR DOING RESEEARCH.

> > > >

> > > > With regards and best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> > > >

> > > > , " Pom " <pankajdhar@ ...>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree Prashant Ji. Intuition is the key.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > But till it is perfect, in my humble opinion- suing a tool as a midway

is one of the solutions.As we all do..else we not have been studying

astrology...

> > > > >

> > > > > Although as per some references pure LOGIC is also intuitive..so more

rigrously one works with a framework- the more intuitive one may become- as

atleast the subconscious gets trained that way.

> > > > >

> > > > > As per some experts( I dont have the reference for the same) intution

is an outcome of a) Sub concious b) super conscious proces...to make it un

erring the latter needs to de devloepd more..

> > > > >

> > > > > But may be till one reaches that level- one could hold to

a)..sharpening the tool....and one way out is focus on only one system at a

time..then try to see the redictions..

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes it is a tool. But in my opinion to build up more discipline- one

may try to give predictions based on:

> > > > >

> > > > > a) Dasha only

> > > > > b) transits

> > > > > c) Vedic numbers.

> > > > >

> > > > > The idea is to build focus on one system.... I think this helps to

build up confidence..

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyways - it is just an input....that convergence. ..should be there..

or could be there... taht is all..

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Punkajj.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pankaj

> > > > > >

> > > > > > not sure why u wanted this msg to be here, did any1 say so?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > knowledge can't be stolen, max shared and Jyotishya is no one can

claim mastery in it as Intution, karma balance sheet of the querist, astrologer

and Almighty's grace need to be in sync to make it happen ou r knowledge is just

a tool the script is well above us- Astrologers r just interpreters of divine

script. they cant write the script to feel superior or stealable.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it is another thing that we can impart our methodology, approach

knowledge to ones interested in purusing this subject but this works on the said

3 principles finally else why will so many padatthis, SA, khichid stuff come

iand work still as INTUTION is the key

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prashant

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Pom <pankajdhar@ >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:20:01 PM

> > > > > > MIS-CONCEPTIONS an " Astrologer " should not

entertain..- Predictive Convergence?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > Some of the " astrologers " entertain a misconception- that some one

will copy their method of prediction or their prediction.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This only some one will do who lacks confidence in himself.A

competent one would not do the same

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Working and verifying various systems indepndently- be it chinese

astro,

> > > > > > numbers, vedic astro (Gochar based or dasha), if a basic level of

mastery is there- PREDICTIONS GENERALLY CONVERGE, with some varying degrees of

details..( they change from one mdoel to other, but generally they CONVERGE...)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, failures are there- which we agreed are there due to inherent

prediction methods in astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > Punkajj

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