Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Kundalee

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Greetings Vinay Jha ji!

 

Sorry for the delay in responding -- I only noticed this missive, just now.

 

I agree with the 'super nonsense' -- over the years particularly on Internet I

have seen a few of those and of course out there in the " real world " Nonsense is

the King (or perhaps the Queen?)!

 

What you describe, feats such as telling someone bhagya without horoscope,

generating birthdata without being told (Yogi Karve and his children are said to

be doing that consistently and not just occasionally as you experienced

personally) are not unknown and though intriguing, I would not lump them with

astrology. Psychic prowess and yogic siddhis have been claimed to be used by

several astrologers and more power to them but that is not astrology.

 

We should be able to hold them in separate bins and not make a khichdi of it.

 

 

And while magical, uncanny these should not be called super or any science,

until such time when their basis and workings are understood. That said, there

seems to be a tendency in modern people to consider 'science' as the woolmark of

purity. Astrology does not need such crutches that themselves are still

evolving. I mean science, of course!

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

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> Special yogas make super science as well as super nonsense. The super-science

portion of Jyotisha cannot be acquired by means of bookish knowledge, which does

not mean Guru is not needed. In spiritual matters, a guru shows the way and

removes initial obstacles, but does not teach bookish knowledge.

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> I can show show you concrete evidence of astrology being a super science. But

it is not possible on internet. the last verse of Suryasiddhanta is : it is

" rahasyam brahma sammitam " . I am not omniscient. There are many facets of

astrology in which you must have more knowledge than me, but I also possess

something, and that something will invite more abusive attacks if I display them

to the undeserving lot.

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> I can show you proofs of superscience, but I have no such special yoga in my

own horoscope (although there are occasions when God uses me as a medium, when I

tell exact birthdate of a person without looking at the horoscope, but I cannot

do it always, nor do I know how it is done. Perhaps the person in distress

deserved such help and God wanted to help). I know persons who have such yogas,

they never touched any book of astrology as far as I know, but computed my age

just by seeing my face, and the result was exactly same as computed on the basis

of Parashara and Jaimini. But I am not talking of this type of superscience. I

talk of Jyotisha being a superscience. For it, I need a face to face talk, with

my laptop there. If you come to India in future, may I try to show you such

evidence ? For instance, foolproof rain forecasting billion of years in advance,

which weathermen cannot do even two weeeks in advance ?

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> -VJ

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> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

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> Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:42:32 AM

> Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re: Kundalee

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> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

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> > Jyotisha is indeed a super science and special yogas make some persons

better jyotishis. But these things cannot be taught. Hence it is advisable for

us all to adopt a scientific approach as as far as possible.

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> Dear Vinay Jha Ji,

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> I am sorry but I do not see the connection between:

> <Jyotish ... is a super science...>

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> <special yogas make some better jyotishis>

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> Special yogas make one a better poet, a better priest, a better teacher, a

better writer, a better singer, a better crook or con-man, but neither of these,

hopefully, particularly the last pursuits di bit make those super-sciences even

though special yogas make one one of those!

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> You also said that these things [=super-science/ jyotish] cannot be taught!

Most individuals who may have intense devotion and dedication for jyotish but

were devoid of the ?advantage? of GPS (Guru, Parampara, Shradhdhaa=devotion

alone) will sigh a sigh of relief that their life and pursuit was not a waste of

a lifetime ;-)). Because if these things cannot be taught then all this NOISE

and NAGAADAA Vadan of having a Guru and the rest of the nine yards as many make

on the internet is perhaps overrated and overplayed!

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> Being a cautious and older person, I would avoid making such one size fits all

statements, as the hindustani term goes, " ...Gaahay begaahay! " . I realize that

Jyotish fora have only a minority that speak and understand Hindi or other

northern languages, so I suppose the nearest English phrase for Gaahay Begaahay

would be 'Willy-nilly! '

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> I had a chance to observe children in day-care settings, so we are talking

really young and learning children. Some seemed to come almost hard-wired for a

highly sophisticated level of motor control, others were obviously gifted at

learning, some were sickly, others could roll in dirt day in and day out and

never had a sick day off.

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> As I moved from observing infants to toddlers to children, to young adults to

mature adults to older people and even those at the extremes of their age in

hospices and senior care centres, what I learned was that that 'variability' is

inherent in the HUMAN cohort (and perhaps others animals too), not only in their

physical, motor, locomotor, mental, learning and other capabilities but actually

is the very reason which makes them not necessary to be fitted into pigeon holes

with prescriptions such as some make.

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> I have seen absolutely NO EVIDENCE that astrology is a super science! I await

evidence -- since we are talking SCIENCE!

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> RR

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