Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Kundalee

[Guest guest]

Dear Jha Saheb,

 

To the best of my knowledge accurate weather patterns and rain data have been

kept track of for maybe a lot less than 200 years. How would one verify beyond

that period to establish that expected/claimed was concordant with the observed?

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

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> foolproof rain forecasting billion of years in advance, which weathermen

cannot do even two weeeks in advance ?

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> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

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> Saturday, May 2, 2009 11:56:44 PM

> Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re: Kundalee

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> No Vinay Jha Ji,

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> I did read that and my question still remains unanswered! If it does not

quack, does not waddle and does not have webbed feet, then it cannot be a duck!

;-)

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> RR

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> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

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> > RR ji,

> > You read my message in a hurry. I said " But I am not talking of this type of

(magical) superscience. I talk of Jyotisha(as generally known) being a

superscience (which cannot be discussed on internet because it will take half an

hour to show you the proofs on a computer screen, but months for presenting them

on the internet). "

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> > -vj

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> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

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> > Saturday, May 2, 2009 2:30:29 AM

> > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re: Kundalee

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> > Greetings Vinay Jha ji!

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> > Sorry for the delay in responding -- I only noticed this missive, just now.

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> > I agree with the 'super nonsense' -- over the years particularly on Internet

I have seen a few of those and of course out there in the " real world " Nonsense

is the King (or perhaps the Queen?)!

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> > What you describe, feats such as telling someone bhagya without horoscope,

generating birthdata without being told (Yogi Karve and his children are said to

be doing that consistently and not just occasionally as you experienced

personally) are not unknown and though intriguing, I would not lump them with

astrology. Psychic prowess and yogic siddhis have been claimed to be used by

several astrologers and more power to them but that is not astrology.

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> > We should be able to hold them in separate bins and not make a khichdi of

it.

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> > And while magical, uncanny these should not be called super or any science,

until such time when their basis and workings are understood. That said, there

seems to be a tendency in modern people to consider 'science' as the woolmark of

purity. Astrology does not need such crutches that themselves are still

evolving. I mean science, of course!

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> > RR

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> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

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> > > Special yogas make super science as well as super nonsense. The

super-science portion of Jyotisha cannot be acquired by means of bookish

knowledge, which does not mean Guru is not needed. In spiritual matters, a guru

shows the way and removes initial obstacles, but does not teach bookish

knowledge.

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> > > I can show show you concrete evidence of astrology being a super science.

But it is not possible on internet. the last verse of Suryasiddhanta is : it is

" rahasyam brahma sammitam " . I am not omniscient. There are many facets of

astrology in which you must have more knowledge than me, but I also possess

something, and that something will invite more abusive attacks if I display them

to the undeserving lot.

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> > > I can show you proofs of superscience, but I have no such special yoga in

my own horoscope (although there are occasions when God uses me as a medium,

when I tell exact birthdate of a person without looking at the horoscope, but I

cannot do it always, nor do I know how it is done. Perhaps the person in

distress deserved such help and God wanted to help). I know persons who have

such yogas, they never touched any book of astrology as far as I know, but

computed my age just by seeing my face, and the result was exactly same as

computed on the basis of Parashara and Jaimini. But I am not talking of this

type of superscience. I talk of Jyotisha being a superscience. For it, I need a

face to face talk, with my laptop there. If you come to India in future, may I

try to show you such evidence ? For instance, foolproof rain forecasting billion

of years in advance, which weathermen cannot do even two weeeks in advance ?

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> > > Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:42:32 AM

> > > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re:

Kundalee

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> > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

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> > > > Jyotisha is indeed a super science and special yogas make some persons

better jyotishis. But these things cannot be taught. Hence it is advisable for

us all to adopt a scientific approach as as far as possible.

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> > > Dear Vinay Jha Ji,

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> > > I am sorry but I do not see the connection between:

> > > <Jyotish ... is a super science...>

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> > > <special yogas make some better jyotishis>

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> > > Special yogas make one a better poet, a better priest, a better teacher, a

better writer, a better singer, a better crook or con-man, but neither of these,

hopefully, particularly the last pursuits di bit make those super-sciences even

though special yogas make one one of those!

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> > > You also said that these things [=super-science/ jyotish] cannot be

taught! Most individuals who may have intense devotion and dedication for

jyotish but were devoid of the ?advantage? of GPS (Guru, Parampara,

Shradhdhaa=devotion alone) will sigh a sigh of relief that their life and

pursuit was not a waste of a lifetime ;-)). Because if these things cannot be

taught then all this NOISE and NAGAADAA Vadan of having a Guru and the rest of

the nine yards as many make on the internet is perhaps overrated and overplayed!

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> > > Being a cautious and older person, I would avoid making such one size fits

all statements, as the hindustani term goes, " ...Gaahay begaahay! " . I realize

that Jyotish fora have only a minority that speak and understand Hindi or other

northern languages, so I suppose the nearest English phrase for Gaahay Begaahay

would be 'Willy-nilly! '

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> > > I had a chance to observe children in day-care settings, so we are talking

really young and learning children. Some seemed to come almost hard-wired for a

highly sophisticated level of motor control, others were obviously gifted at

learning, some were sickly, others could roll in dirt day in and day out and

never had a sick day off.

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> > > As I moved from observing infants to toddlers to children, to young adults

to mature adults to older people and even those at the extremes of their age in

hospices and senior care centres, what I learned was that that 'variability' is

inherent in the HUMAN cohort (and perhaps others animals too), not only in their

physical, motor, locomotor, mental, learning and other capabilities but actually

is the very reason which makes them not necessary to be fitted into pigeon holes

with prescriptions such as some make.

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> > > I have seen absolutely NO EVIDENCE that astrology is a super science! I

await evidence -- since we are talking SCIENCE!

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> > > RR

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