can we have this in XLS form Vinay Ji????meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5

May 4, 2009

" Quatitative predictions contain some ± errors. But astrological prediction is

exact in the sense it can never predict a normal rainfall instead of a drought

as IMD did in 2002. "

Could we have this in XLS form? Say may be for India only- donot worry abuot

paris;

I mean with columns:

{Event/year/month of occurence} -->{What did IMD predict, if possible

model}----> { what did you predict which actually came to be clsore to

reality}---> {Actual outcome}

say 50 events or if you suggest less- let su work on it...

A quantification things like:

a) Drought

b) Below average rainfall

c) average rainfall..

etc would help...

I am not trying to discount you... so please if you could give an XLS...

then we will come at the MODEL of prediction...(like drought is satrun in..this

this degrees..)

If you donto have a model- let us look at the RULE SET...( rules Rule1= Satrun

is in .. OR Rule2= rahu is in ......+> implies..)

Without proper maths- be it MODERN or VEDIC TECHNOLOGY...we will not get

anything...

Thanks.

Punkajj

, " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Namsthe,

>

> It seems that there is some substance but confusing in what Vinay ji has

written.

>

> There is a practice related with death rites. If one is very poor to cunduct

such rites, it is ordained that the ancestors will be pleased if the person

stands in a junction and proclaims loudly that he caanot afford to do the rites

and the offering of a handfull of sand is enough to please the ancestors.

>

> A few back, I saw on BBC channel, the people of an african village doing the

same thing outside their village when they had to leave it due to famine.

>

> further, there is a part of " Vitharini Nadi " regarding the crossing of the

soul during the last rite rituals as practiced by brahmins. I have seen / read

about this as practiced in some of spain etc. The rich / kings when dead , the

body used to be put on a boat sent into the river burning.

>

> Hence we can find many such similarities of even names as far as in Russia.

>

> But the confusing part, Sanskrit , rituals etc only exist now in India. In

other parts of the world, the rituals are forgone. Why?. and it was never as

complicated & systematic as in India. More over these rituals are still

practiced in India while, there is practically nothing left in other parts of

the world to establish any authentic link.

>

> recently I happened to another article on genetic research where it was found

a few sect in parts of tamilnadu has their genetic link with those of african

people. But again, there is no evidence that of Brahmanical link to say that

higher knowledge came from Africa.

>

> If Africans had such knowldege of advanced subjects why is it not evident now.

Even the egyptians believed that the pharos where gods (or it mere outsiders) &

never equated them to the locals.

>

> Mayan culture is total gone. Purhaps the only link we have could be the

" Mayamatham " , a Vastu sastra treatise still held in high respect.

>

> I have also heard that ituria in Africa gets its name from Maharshi Atri.

Similarly " Neela nadi " mentioned in puranas could be River Nile. But could not

do more research on the subject.

>

> Once can seen a lot of links but difficult to get any concrete continuation.

It is matter of surprise that the african language in any form does not have any

semblence with Indian languages including Sanskrit. I may be wrong here,

Purhaps, it may because I have not done enough research on the subject.

>

> Hence, I think It would be beneficial if we keep our minds open look at ideas

& explore every bit of knowledge without love / hate / passion.

>

> With warm regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu shenoy.

>

> Prashant ji,

> >

> > I devoted 12 years on comparative linguistics and I know vedic language is

the original language, but as long as Western hegemony remains it will be

impossible to establish truth.

> >

> > If you think Africa's ancient past was pagan then you are mistaken. Vedic

culture was practised over entire Jamboodvipa, of which Bharata-varsha was only

a small, although most important, part. Creation was created from Mt Meru in

Kenya, but actual history of Vedic peoples was centred in India from the very

beginning. It is a long history everywhere forgotten, only some portions of

Puranas mention it.

> >

> > Read my article Yajna posted today, it provides an irrefutable proof of

Vedic origin of prehistoric Greeks. AKK is just opposite of facts.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@>

> >

> > Monday, May 4, 2009 10:24:36 AM

> > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5

> >

> > Vinay ji

> >

> > I DID NOT SAY I APPROVE OF AKK;s views

> >

> > nor did I say Vedic culture is imported from greece, egypy etc...

> >

> > pl re-read my post

> >

> > I am clear that egypt got the knowledge by hijacking many scholars from

India and killed them after their scholars learnt the subject and from egypt it

sprread to West-europe ZERO, CHEMISTRY OR RASAYANA SHASTRA BY Charaka and his

compatriot [i forget the name for the moment]

> >

> > I have said by ur ALLUDING Mt Meru to Kenya u r approving AKK so make sure

it is so nothe otherway as u assume I said

> >

> > also read the PANGEA link i sent u i am actually using the word for the 1st

time [in the sarch as i heard the word never read about it till now earlier i

had only heard of the word may be 35 yrs ago never had a chance to read it

though understood it from the time i heard it in a radio program in apr 74 while

I was in my 7th std in Bangalore

> >

> > there is no way one language can be part of such a vast spread of mankind

even Bharatha varsha, bharata khande had the Prakruit, sanskirt and other local

strains, culture, rituals also do differ and there can be similarities as said

in the way fire, Sun was worshipped in all cultures [except the Monoliths that

came later, church, mosues]

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > prashant

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> >

> > Sunday, May 3, 2009 7:05:52 PM

> > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5

> >

> > Prashant Ji,

> >

> > MBh gives Jamboodvip's dimensions as 18600 yojanas. Measure of yojana

changes from time to time. All astronomical texts of ancient India give Earth's

diameter as 1100-1600 yojanas only, hence 18600 yojana for Jamboodvip cannot

belong to that period in history when yojana's value was much larhe. Sayana

refers to a shruti in RV,i,50 that Surya (which Mr subhash Kak reads as spped of

light) moves at a speed of 2202 yojana per half nimisha. If this is actually the

speed of light, then this value of yojana makes 18600 yojana exactly equal to

the distance from Cape Town to Bering Starits in far east of Siberia.

> >

> > You are misled by forerunners of AKK who distorted Indian history.

Geographical India is a small country, but what we know as Indian culture was

practised over entire Jamboodvip, which is narrated in ancient texts. Names of

countries in Jamboodvip which were outside India can be found in many Puranas

and MBh. On the other hand, there is no ancient proof to limit Jamboodvip to

merely India, India is a small part of Jamboodvip. Secondly, no ancient text

says Mt Meru was within India. But it does not mean Indian culture was imported

from Greece or Egypt. The contrary is true :

> >

> > The greatest Greek comedian Aristophanes wrote a comedy The Birds around

~400 BC, which said the ancestors of Greeks offered oblations into fire whose

smoke went into Heavens to feed gods. It proves the existence of ritualistic

Vedic Yajna among the ancestors of greeks. Yet, Europeans falsely teach us that

the ancestors of Aryans practised a simple religion based on prayers like the

psalms of Bible, and declared Rgveda to be the original Veda because it was a

book of prayers, and Yajurveda was the invention of non Aryan brahmins who

invented Yajna. Rgveda and YV name each other innumerable times, and their

language is also contemporary. Yet, many Indians believe in this false

propaganda and fail to read Greek evidences which show Yajna was practised bt

their remote ancestors. The word Europa in Greek meant " easterlies (winds " and

European means " those who came from the East " !

> >

> > The existence of Sanskrit placenames like Meru in Kenya or Kinyangiri in

Tanzania does not mean India was a part of Kenya. It means a single language and

culture was practised in the whole the world. It tallies with the descriptions

of cultures in various parts of Jamboodvipa found in Puranas and MBh.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ============ ===== ============

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

> >

> > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:55:08 PM

> > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5

> >

> > Dear Vinay ji

> >

> > if u r refering to to Jamboo dweepa as what the westerners called the Pangea

here is the link

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Pangaea

> >

> > which shows the continetal drift theory where AMERICAS [north south] and

europe, saudi arabia, australia, India and smaller pieces that could not join

the big break ups as islands

> >

> > then u r close to AKK's call that all of Hindu/vedic knowledge is purely

lifted from the greek

> >

> > which is beyond the truth

> >

> > as the multiple discpplines in any subject Vedic heritage is way ahead

> >

> > Egyptians did steal/smuggle many vedic scholars and took most of our

traditional wisdom

> >

> > Mayan civilisation has many close similarities to Vedic and in all

civiilisations the fire, sun etc are supreme forces-gods and almost represt

whatever astrology attributes to ravi.

> >

> > the ;onk also suggests some period where it cud have happened also

> >

> > but superimpose this witht ye Yugas, the puranas etc and come up with

something fresh

> >

> > and till then pl treat every source of info as INFO and none of us can claim

possession to original source anyday as vedic heritage never believed in

claiming, bragging knowledge just lived by practice alone

> >

> > transfered knowledge by word of mouth only palm leaves were just

intermediate sources till it was memorised and each guru had it written for his

sishyas and they once memorised it were asked to destroy it by sprinkling water

on it daily after prayers they decayed naturally

> >

> > u won't find misuse of knowledge like Einstiens Nuke bomb -info of it was

for nuclear energy not bombs and he regreted sharing that info of dual use in

public after the dirty bombs were used in his lifetime itself

> >

> > Vidya vinaya sampanae is vedic rest is barbaric

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> >

> > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:30:45 PM

> > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5

> >

> > Krishnan Ji,

> > You are making wrong statements. Jamboodvip was much bigger than Meru, and

there are many ancient references which put it outside India. It was regarded as

the highest point, being the centre of Cosmos, hence Varah Mihira called it

North Pole. Suryasiddhanta says it is at equator. Neither North Pole nor equator

can be located in India. Narapatijayacharya says it is said to be at the centre

of Earth but is not found there , the reason was people had lost the knowledge

of Africa which was known to ancient sages who said Meru was at equator in

Jamboodvip. Jamboodvip is a sigle big contintnt which Euripeans have

artificially named as Africa, Europe and Asia. This new nomenclature is

misleading you.

> > -vj

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

> >

> > Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:29:02 AM

> > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5

> >

> > Dear Sirs,

> > The evolutionary trends continue to be there.Our reverred scriptures

identified MERU as part of Bharat varshe,Bharat Khande.This position is not

contested or changed so far by any one.The importance of MERU for the people of

Inidian origin is Supreme and continues to be there.There should not be a second

thought about it.Till the end of kaliyug ,it continues to be related to Jambu

dweepe and can never be altered

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

> > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5

> >

> > Sunday, May 3, 2009, 1:45 AM

> >

> > For the curious. ////CAVEAT: This is not scientific or superscientific

evidence!/// /

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_evolution

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@

...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Arjun ji

> > >

> > > a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say

> > >

> > > Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande

> > > Meru dakshina dik bhagae.

> > >

> > > for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae...

> > >

> > > the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke

away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the

Himalays formed etc...

> > >

> > > Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even

the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said....

> > >

> > > the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does

suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists

version of history to suit their version

> > >

> > > we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood

> > >

> > > but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved

upwards to Europe, asia...

> > > of African breed

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>

> > >

> > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM

> > > meru parvat - to vinayji

> > >

> > > dear vinayji

> > >

> > > from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are

suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong,

kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query.

> > >

> > > if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to

understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant

or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa.

> > >

> > > the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu

tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing

the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical

properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru

parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more.

of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various

chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history

knowledge.

> > >

> > > besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors

like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this

mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as

presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their

daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us

understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam

correctly.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > >

May 5, 2009

Pankaj ji

I started sending forecasts to scientists only from 2006. But my method is

astrological and does not need physical parameters like temperature or pressure.

Hence, hindcasts for previous years can be treated as forecasts, because

interpretation of kundali can be done by you as well as by me. My mundane

software gives detailed annual kundali, which you can compare with actual

rainfall data of 136 years. It is wastage of time to compare with IMD forecasts,

because they are sometimes too off the mark, and are not available for a long

time.

I also face problems sometimes in explaining annual horoscopes, but I have never

found any anomaly.

I have started putting these data on internet, but it will take time. See :

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Annual+Rains

I have taken govt data from the website of IITM, Pune. Saura version can be

created by Kundalee software too, by typing the meridians of Meru (equator,

37:19' E) and nirayana Mesha samkraanti time). Hence, this method is objective

and can be independently verified by others, because many persons already

possess Kundalee and can test me.

-VJ

________________________________

Pom <pankajdhar

Monday, May 4, 2009 11:54:07 PM

can we have this in XLS form Vinay Ji????Re: meru parvat - to

vinayji 3/5

" Quatitative predictions contain some ± errors. But astrological prediction is

exact in the sense it can never predict a normal rainfall instead of a drought

as IMD did in 2002. "

Could we have this in XLS form? Say may be for India only- donot worry abuot

paris;

I mean with columns:

{Event/year/ month of occurence} -->{What did IMD predict, if possible

model}----> { what did you predict which actually came to be clsore to

reality}---> {Actual outcome}

say 50 events or if you suggest less- let su work on it...

A quantification things like:

a) Drought

b) Below average rainfall

c) average rainfall..

etc would help...

I am not trying to discount you.... so please if you could give an XLS...

then we will come at the MODEL of prediction.. .(like drought is satrun in..this

this degrees..)

If you donto have a model- let us look at the RULE SET...( rules Rule1= Satrun

is in .. OR Rule2= rahu is in ......+> implies..)

Without proper maths- be it MODERN or VEDIC TECHNOLOGY.. .we will not get

anything...

Thanks.

Punkajj

, " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ ...>