Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Kundalee

[Guest guest]

What a brilliANT suggestion Suresh-ji!

 

Perhaps Ujjaini? The home of MahaKaal and one of the most illustrious jyotishis

and an Observatory too!

 

I have never visited Mangalore but does it have red rock (red sandstone or

Morrum as faint recollection reminds me from my childhood. It meant nothing

ofcourse, the red gravel of my childhood!

 

Later on, two places that I visited in my life: Sedona-Arizona which is nothing

but RED SANDSTONE and the brother of Lord Subrahamaniya as hopefully some of you

have seen on webpages or in person. And Prince Edward Island in Eastern Canada

where interestingly the red rock appears often, though not as much as in Sedona

and much more interestingly was the ZONE where many Irish immigrants (who remind

me of the essence of Mars often!) settled in when they came to Canada. PEI is

still known for its potato crops and interestingly, all harsh hurricanes and

weather systems arising in our southern neighbour -- USA pass through PEI each

year, the WINDS (vata) tamed but the WATER (Jala) still formidable and at times

destructive!

 

I would not bore you further with details that can be googled and perhaps have

been studied already by some weather-scientists.

 

Just a thought...!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Namasthe,

>

> Dear Vinay Ji,

>

> I visited the page you had provided for annual rain forcast. Your theory &

analysis actualy sounds interesting. It is resembling the kurma theory /method

of classification of area. (or I am I wrong) and the naming of states using

their first letter - actually katapayadi system (there are a few conventions) is

also intersting, since I have (and my Guru) used this to predict the whereabouts

of missing persons in prasna alone. Sun's Nakshtra is also considered to find

Yogini position - which as you know is Maha-nakshtra- as you rightly used for

mundane astrology.

>

> But do we have to consider the center point as mt Meru in kenya? Why can't we

align the Kurma(if I am correct in assuming) for each country - say to Madhya

pradesh / central India, for India and compute from there. will it not be more

precise & accurate?.

>

> Have you considered using the name of the preciding diety of each place -

Mangala devi - Manglore ruled by Mars etc?. Unfortunately this is possible only

for India. Type of soil - red soil - mars - white soil - Moon etc. Black soil /

rectanglar shaped sate / stony - saturn etc instead of depending on names

alone?.

>

> Just a thought - correct me if I wrong.

>

>

> with warm regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

>

>

>

>

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Friends ,

> >

> > At present I have two sets of Medini softwares : for whole World and for

South

> > Asia. Predictions for entire astrological houses can be made, with

> > additional notes from Sarvatobhadra about individual places.. And these

> > forecasts will be in the form of solar returns and not Gregorian

> > calendar. This is Medini Astrology. What Rohini Ji wants is outside the

> > scope of any known text of Medini Jyotisha and comes under Jaadoo-tonaa

> > perhaps (please do not take it as an offence, I am stating what I feel to be

true).

> >

> > Rohini Ji has visited my website. There, I have given an article with some

examples of the technique I use for rain forecasting :

> > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Annual+Rains

> >

> > Exactly same technique has been used for making economic forecasts for the

world (by a Jyotisha HOD in KSD Sanskrit University, usint my software), and

economic forecast for India (by me) using another software by me :

> > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010

> >

> > Rain forecasts made from these mesha-pravesha national horoscopes were

verified by IMD and then by Climate branch of NASA headquarters :

> >

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/NASA%27s_Report%3B_%26_my_Paper_accepted_by\

_CAOS%2C_IISc

> >

> > This NASA scientist and chairman of Royal Meterological Society asked me to

convert mt forecasts into a scientific paper, which I did and sent it to IISc,

where I was invited to present it before an international conference in july

2007. This paper lies at :

> >

http://weatherindia.wetpaint.com/page/A+New+approach+to+Rain+Forecasting?t=anon

> >

> > At the end of this paper, I added (in appendix) one year's forecast, making

an annual rain prediction for 2007-8 at 98% (±2%). Check its accuracy or

inaccuracy, and compare it with IMD' prediction of 93%. Actual rains for four

months Jun-Sep was 104% and less for the whole year (whose data has not been

supplied by IMD or IITM yet).. Whose prediction was better, IMD's 93% or my

98%(±2%) ? The fact is I wanted to make a slightly higher figure, but was

restrained by publication of IMD's prediction of 93%. Had IMD not published its

prediction of 93%, I would have predicted 100% (±2%).

> >

> > All these webpages can be viewed from my software website. Rohini ji knows

my site. He is himselg an astrologer and knows that an astrologer can make

predictions from horoscopes of transits into raashis or nakshatras. My paper to

IISc clearly states that arranging of data in artificial calendar months is the

cause behind failure to discover 61 year rain cycle by previous scientists which

I discovered.

> >

> > But now Rohini wants me to make predictions for Christian calendar dates and

for regions which are not listed in my software. I have demonstrated two

softwares on my website : one for world, and another for India. There are 12

houses in a horoscope. I or Rohini ji can make predictions for entire region

falling within a particular astrologiical house, but now Rohini ji wants

town-wise report instead of an astrological house-wise report from me, and that

too in artificial format of Christian calendars instead of natural formats of

solar transits. Either he has not cared to look at my weather pages cited above,

or he wants to evaluate my weather research works on the basis of what I am NOT

offering, instead of evaluating my work on the basis of what I offered.

> >

> > I have softwares which are capable of providing forecasts at 12-hour

intervals, for South Asia (divided into 12 houses) and for whole world (again

divided into 12 houses).

> >

> > If I or anyone else can make predictions for Paris or Delhi, then it will be

equally easy to make predictions for every agricultural plot of the world,

because if a method if good for an artificial man made region, it must be good

for any other unnatural plot of land, large or small. I am sure there in no

method in astrology which can do such things. I thought my work will be

evaluated ASTROLOGICALLY, which means we ought to predict according to divisions

of regions into astrological houses and division of time according to solar

transits, eg Mesha Samkraanti which gives annual rain forecast or economic

forecast.

> >

> > I believe Rohini has has never read my weather pages, otherwise he would

have not asked for the impossible.

> >

> > Evaluating an astrological house quantitatively for stating predicted rains

or predicted economic growth in numerical terms is like asking an astrologer :

Do not tell me I will have a GOOD income during current Varsha pravesh, tell

me exactly how much money I will earn.

> >

> > Quatitative predictions contain some ± errors. But astrological prediction

is exact in the sense it can never predict a normal rainfall instead of a

drought as IMD did in 2002. I have checked 135 years of annual rainfall data of

IMD, plus 55 years of economic growth data of Indian govt's Economic Survey,

besides a lot of mediaeval and ancient events like wars, plagues, storms, etc,

without a singlr case of exception ever found. That is why I am confident about

Suryasiddhantic method. But unfortunately, I am always tested

non-astrologically. Can Rohini Ji please tell me why he wants to test Paris

instead of India for which I already have made a software and of which there is

plenty of past data to check the software ? I use Sarvatobhadra Chakra for

making predictions for individual places, and they come true if the place names

are ancient. For instance, my software indicated bad impact of 2004 Tsunami on

Madras but none on Chennai. Astrologers should

> > come forward to solve such problems, instead of leg pulling.

> >

> > -Vinay Jha

> > ==================== ==================== ==================

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste

Shenoy Ji,

 

There are six types of Koorma Chakras : house, kshetra (area or field),

village/town, province, nation, and world. All Koorma Chakra are based on a

basic Raashi Chakra with centre of Mesha permanently facing the East. I used

this Raashi Chakra which was the basis of not only Koorma Chakra but all medini

chakras, and drew bhaavachalita on this fixed raashi chakra according to well

known method of BPHS. There is nothing strange in my method, but some

astrologers think I am claiming of having discovered something secret, which is

not the case.

 

Similarly, naming of states using their first letter is according to

Sarvatobhadra Chakra, used in MBh by Karna and described in ancient Yaamala

Tantras from which Narapatijayacharyaa took it (published by Chowkhamba).

 

Read the whole page, which uses Prithvi Chakra base on Meru by a HOD of

Jyotisha, and Desha Chakra based on Vidisha in Madhya Pradesh by me :

 

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010

 

Brihat Samhita of Varaha Mihira has abundant materials (eg, about presiding

deities/planets of provinces) which I have not been able to put into my mundane

softwares as yet. After all, I am a human being.

 

-VJ

============ ============

 

 

 

 

________________________________

sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag

 

Tuesday, May 5, 2009 2:28:08 AM

Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re: Kundalee

 

 

 

 

 

Namasthe,

 

Dear Vinay Ji,

 

I visited the page you had provided for annual rain forcast. Your theory &

analysis actualy sounds interesting. It is resembling the kurma theory /method

of classification of area. (or I am I wrong) and the naming of states using

their first letter - actually katapayadi system (there are a few conventions) is

also intersting, since I have (and my Guru) used this to predict the whereabouts

of missing persons in prasna alone. Sun's Nakshtra is also considered to find

Yogini position - which as you know is Maha-nakshtra- as you rightly used for

mundane astrology.

 

But do we have to consider the center point as mt Meru in kenya? Why can't we

align the Kurma(if I am correct in assuming) for each country - say to Madhya

pradesh / central India, for India and compute from there. will it not be more

precise & accurate?.

 

Have you considered using the name of the preciding diety of each place -

Mangala devi - Manglore ruled by Mars etc?. Unfortunately this is possible only

for India. Type of soil - red soil - mars - white soil - Moon etc. Black soil /

rectanglar shaped sate / stony - saturn etc instead of depending on names

alone?.

 

Just a thought - correct me if I wrong.

 

with warm regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> Friends ,

>

> At present I have two sets of Medini softwares : for whole World and for

South

> Asia. Predictions for entire astrological houses can be made, with

> additional notes from Sarvatobhadra about individual places.. And these

> forecasts will be in the form of solar returns and not Gregorian

> calendar. This is Medini Astrology. What Rohini Ji wants is outside the

> scope of any known text of Medini Jyotisha and comes under Jaadoo-tonaa

> perhaps (please do not take it as an offence, I am stating what I feel to be

true).

>

> Rohini Ji has visited my website. There, I have given an article with some

examples of the technique I use for rain forecasting :

> http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains

>

> Exactly same technique has been used for making economic forecasts for the

world (by a Jyotisha HOD in KSD Sanskrit University, usint my software), and

economic forecast for India (by me) using another software by me :

> http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010

>

> Rain forecasts made from these mesha-pravesha national horoscopes were

verified by IMD and then by Climate branch of NASA headquarters :

> http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s_ Report%3B_ %26_my_Paper_

accepted_ by_CAOS%2C_ IISc

>

> This NASA scientist and chairman of Royal Meterological Society asked me to

convert mt forecasts into a scientific paper, which I did and sent it to IISc,

where I was invited to present it before an international conference in july

2007. This paper lies at :

> http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/ A+New+approach+ to+Rain+Forecast

ing?t=anon

>

> At the end of this paper, I added (in appendix) one year's forecast, making

an annual rain prediction for 2007-8 at 98% (±2%). Check its accuracy or

inaccuracy, and compare it with IMD' prediction of 93%. Actual rains for four

months Jun-Sep was 104% and less for the whole year (whose data has not been

supplied by IMD or IITM yet).. Whose prediction was better, IMD's 93% or my

98%(±2%) ? The fact is I wanted to make a slightly higher figure, but was

restrained by publication of IMD's prediction of 93%. Had IMD not published its

prediction of 93%, I would have predicted 100% (±2%).

>

> All these webpages can be viewed from my software website. Rohini ji knows my

site. He is himselg an astrologer and knows that an astrologer can make

predictions from horoscopes of transits into raashis or nakshatras. My paper to

IISc clearly states that arranging of data in artificial calendar months is the

cause behind failure to discover 61 year rain cycle by previous scientists which

I discovered.

>

> But now Rohini wants me to make predictions for Christian calendar dates and

for regions which are not listed in my software. I have demonstrated two

softwares on my website : one for world, and another for India. There are 12

houses in a horoscope. I or Rohini ji can make predictions for entire region

falling within a particular astrologiical house, but now Rohini ji wants

town-wise report instead of an astrological house-wise report from me, and that

too in artificial format of Christian calendars instead of natural formats of

solar transits. Either he has not cared to look at my weather pages cited above,

or he wants to evaluate my weather research works on the basis of what I am NOT

offering, instead of evaluating my work on the basis of what I offered.

>

> I have softwares which are capable of providing forecasts at 12-hour

intervals, for South Asia (divided into 12 houses) and for whole world (again

divided into 12 houses).

>

> If I or anyone else can make predictions for Paris or Delhi, then it will be

equally easy to make predictions for every agricultural plot of the world,

because if a method if good for an artificial man made region, it must be good

for any other unnatural plot of land, large or small. I am sure there in no

method in astrology which can do such things. I thought my work will be

evaluated ASTROLOGICALLY, which means we ought to predict according to divisions

of regions into astrological houses and division of time according to solar

transits, eg Mesha Samkraanti which gives annual rain forecast or economic

forecast.

>

> I believe Rohini has has never read my weather pages, otherwise he would have

not asked for the impossible.

>

> Evaluating an astrological house quantitatively for stating predicted rains or

predicted economic growth in numerical terms is like asking an astrologer : Do

not tell me I will have a GOOD income during current Varsha pravesh, tell me

exactly how much money I will earn.

>

> Quatitative predictions contain some ± errors. But astrological prediction is

exact in the sense it can never predict a normal rainfall instead of a drought

as IMD did in 2002. I have checked 135 years of annual rainfall data of IMD,

plus 55 years of economic growth data of Indian govt's Economic Survey, besides

a lot of mediaeval and ancient events like wars, plagues, storms, etc, without a

singlr case of exception ever found. That is why I am confident about

Suryasiddhantic method. But unfortunately, I am always tested

non-astrologically. Can Rohini Ji please tell me why he wants to test Paris

instead of India for which I already have made a software and of which there is

plenty of past data to check the software ? I use Sarvatobhadra Chakra for

making predictions for individual places, and they come true if the place names

are ancient. For instance, my software indicated bad impact of 2004 Tsunami on

Madras but none on Chennai. Astrologers should

> come forward to solve such problems, instead of leg pulling.

>

> -Vinay Jha

> ============ ======== ============ ======== ============ ======

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

RR ji,

 

I was really upset, and that was perhaps the reason why I forgot " Ji " , for which

I beg apology. I did not feel that you were either sarcastic or anything like

that, I felt you were not interested in examining my works which exists at my

wesite you have already visited.

 

I started sending my rain forecasts to 615 meteorologists since 2006 AD. After a

year, I got a message from Climate branch of NASA headquarters : " Who are you ?

What is your qualification in weather science? Why should we devote our time and

resources in evaluating your forecasts? " Iforget the exact wording, but the

sense was this.

 

I replied : Qualification represents knowledge of existing theories and their

applications. A new theory cannot be evaluated on the basis of qualification.

Can the most qualified weather scientist claim 100% accuracy in rain forecasts

which I claim ? Hence, do not raise the issue of qualification which has not

been able to solve the cardinal problems in the field of weather forecasting.

Science thrives when new approached are welcomed.

 

Then, I got a message : Sorry, send us your previous forecast published before

the event.

 

I sent it, and got the answer " sounds smart...god.... " , and was advised to put

my work into the shape of a scientific paper, which I did and sent to IISc,

which accepted it for international conference on Monsoons in which I was

invited.

 

Real scientists work in this way. Astrologers have strange ways, excepting a few

rare persons. I count you among the latter, but I must complain that you did not

read my Medini Jyotisha articles at my website. It does not mean I took your

remarks as sarcastic or anything like that. I need to put a lot of case studies

of individuals as well as of Medini at website before any proper scrutiny can be

possible. I will need at least a month, if nothing untoward happens. But

existing 5 individual and 3 Medini case sudies at my website can be viewed,

without passing any judgment at present. That I expected from you. Perhaps I was

not expecting too much.

 

-VJ

================ =================

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

 

Tuesday, May 5, 2009 4:47:14 AM

Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re: Kundalee

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Jha Ji,

 

You sound upset at me :-)

You may think that I was being sarcastic and trying to cause you pain but that

would be fine if that is the interpretation of your choice.

 

Whether it is Paris or Bhagalpur or Nagpur or Las Vegas is not important. As I

said, you may pick any place where rain fall is recorded and the actual data can

be compared with the predicted. And the gregorian calendar is just for fixing a

time-window, there was nothing magical about or particularly desirable about

that.

 

To cut to the chase, you claimed that the technique can predict rainfall a

billion years in advance. I was merely trying to reduce the evidence into

something more manageable, such as a few specific places or even one and in a

period in recent future during which at least some of the humans on this forum

are expected to live and can experience the veracity and validity of the

predictions.

 

What is so abhorrant or offensive about that? Isn't that how scientific

experiments are done? Hypothesis tested with actual experiments and then

repeated in several laboratories and with each success, the theory begins to

take shape. And if experiements fail then we go back and adjust the hypothesis

and experiment again.

 

Let us hope that you see the reasonableness of my request because it will

benefit you and your cause more than anything else. I am assuming ofcourse that

your cause is in demonstrating the paradigm shift from the mainstream that SS

calculations represents. Is it not?

 

The laboratory and the crucible of reality is all yours waiting for you, Sir.

Please enter without fear or misgivings. I have no personal agenda to pull you

down or put you on a pedestal. I am not affiliated with any school, group or

clique if that is what you see in my sharings and conversations with you.

 

Regards from Rohini!

 

(I kind of liked when you addressed me in your posting as opposed to the formal

'ji' etc. All these 'G' forces can be very bad for one's 'weight' ;-)

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> Friends ,

>

> At present I have two sets of Medini softwares : for whole World and for

South

> Asia. Predictions for entire astrological houses can be made, with

> additional notes from Sarvatobhadra about individual places.. And these

> forecasts will be in the form of solar returns and not Gregorian

> calendar. This is Medini Astrology. What Rohini Ji wants is outside the

> scope of any known text of Medini Jyotisha and comes under Jaadoo-tonaa

> perhaps (please do not take it as an offence, I am stating what I feel to be

true).

>

> Rohini Ji has visited my website. There, I have given an article with some

examples of the technique I use for rain forecasting :

> http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains

>

> Exactly same technique has been used for making economic forecasts for the

world (by a Jyotisha HOD in KSD Sanskrit University, usint my software), and

economic forecast for India (by me) using another software by me :

> http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010

>

> Rain forecasts made from these mesha-pravesha national horoscopes were

verified by IMD and then by Climate branch of NASA headquarters :

> http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s_ Report%3B_ %26_my_Paper_

accepted_ by_CAOS%2C_ IISc

>

> This NASA scientist and chairman of Royal Meterological Society asked me to

convert mt forecasts into a scientific paper, which I did and sent it to IISc,

where I was invited to present it before an international conference in july

2007. This paper lies at :

> http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/ A+New+approach+ to+Rain+Forecast

ing?t=anon

>

> At the end of this paper, I added (in appendix) one year's forecast, making

an annual rain prediction for 2007-8 at 98% (±2%). Check its accuracy or

inaccuracy, and compare it with IMD' prediction of 93%. Actual rains for four

months Jun-Sep was 104% and less for the whole year (whose data has not been

supplied by IMD or IITM yet).. Whose prediction was better, IMD's 93% or my

98%(±2%) ? The fact is I wanted to make a slightly higher figure, but was

restrained by publication of IMD's prediction of 93%. Had IMD not published its

prediction of 93%, I would have predicted 100% (±2%).

>

> All these webpages can be viewed from my software website. Rohini ji knows my

site. He is himselg an astrologer and knows that an astrologer can make

predictions from horoscopes of transits into raashis or nakshatras. My paper to

IISc clearly states that arranging of data in artificial calendar months is the

cause behind failure to discover 61 year rain cycle by previous scientists which

I discovered.

>

> But now Rohini wants me to make predictions for Christian calendar dates and

for regions which are not listed in my software. I have demonstrated two

softwares on my website : one for world, and another for India. There are 12

houses in a horoscope. I or Rohini ji can make predictions for entire region

falling within a particular astrologiical house, but now Rohini ji wants

town-wise report instead of an astrological house-wise report from me, and that

too in artificial format of Christian calendars instead of natural formats of

solar transits. Either he has not cared to look at my weather pages cited above,

or he wants to evaluate my weather research works on the basis of what I am NOT

offering, instead of evaluating my work on the basis of what I offered.

>

> I have softwares which are capable of providing forecasts at 12-hour

intervals, for South Asia (divided into 12 houses) and for whole world (again

divided into 12 houses).

>

> If I or anyone else can make predictions for Paris or Delhi, then it will be

equally easy to make predictions for every agricultural plot of the world,

because if a method if good for an artificial man made region, it must be good

for any other unnatural plot of land, large or small. I am sure there in no

method in astrology which can do such things. I thought my work will be

evaluated ASTROLOGICALLY, which means we ought to predict according to divisions

of regions into astrological houses and division of time according to solar

transits, eg Mesha Samkraanti which gives annual rain forecast or economic

forecast.

>

> I believe Rohini has has never read my weather pages, otherwise he would have

not asked for the impossible.

>

> Evaluating an astrological house quantitatively for stating predicted rains or

predicted economic growth in numerical terms is like asking an astrologer : Do

not tell me I will have a GOOD income during current Varsha pravesh, tell me

exactly how much money I will earn.

>

> Quatitative predictions contain some ± errors. But astrological prediction is

exact in the sense it can never predict a normal rainfall instead of a drought

as IMD did in 2002. I have checked 135 years of annual rainfall data of IMD,

plus 55 years of economic growth data of Indian govt's Economic Survey, besides

a lot of mediaeval and ancient events like wars, plagues, storms, etc, without a

singlr case of exception ever found. That is why I am confident about

Suryasiddhantic method. But unfortunately, I am always tested

non-astrologically. Can Rohini Ji please tell me why he wants to test Paris

instead of India for which I already have made a software and of which there is

plenty of past data to check the software ? I use Sarvatobhadra Chakra for

making predictions for individual places, and they come true if the place names

are ancient. For instance, my software indicated bad impact of 2004 Tsunami on

Madras but none on Chennai. Astrologers should

> come forward to solve such problems, instead of leg pulling.

>

> -Vinay Jha

> ============ ======== ============ ======== ============ ======

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

>

> Monday, May 4, 2009 9:01:00 AM

> Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re: Kundalee

>

>

>

>

>

> In advance, of course! Before the clock starts ticking on May 15, 2009.

>

> I hope we allowed enough time collectively?

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@

.....> wrote:

> >

> > Actually -- Krishnan Dada, the easiest path would be through this weather

prediction which is immediate, undeniable and scientists generally like quick

and immediate answers, if possible.

> >

> > All of these multi-fora debates and attacks and increasing paranoia can be

put to rest very readily.

> >

> > Pick a city, that is prominent and for which weather data are recorded and

presumably accessible via Internet, let us pick Paris, France, for instance? And

leet us propose a period for this scientific experiment to be performed on this

open forum?

> >

> > Let us have the raw-data, average rainfall per day in Paris, from May 15 to

June 20, 2009? Posted publicly here on THIS forum.

> >

> > Let the chips fall where they belong!

> >

> > Or may PEACE prevail, unconditionally -- there is a lot of serious work to

be done, notwithstanding!

> >

> > It is very simple and has been simple all along! Sadly there were no

*takers*. We have one, now...!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > It is right to concentrate one and only one issue of surya siddhanta and

the development of software kundalee.All other issues of Super Sience and

weather forecast for next hundred years and related issue may suggest level of

confidence held in Astrology.But we need also to know that we are into such a

vast subject hwere ever other moment subjectivity creeps in unfortunately.

> > > when one is deeply involved all other write up and interventions are not

only difficult to understand but gets personalised. Every on of us are eagerly

waiting for the successful nad acceptable version of kundalee software.More

than this,to read any thing in missives is to deviate from the proposed

objectives and goals to reach.It is a good suggestion made by Shri Rohini Ji

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ >

> > > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re:

Kundalee

> > >

> > > Sunday, May 3, 2009, 12:48 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay ji,

> > >

> > > Since my name got mentioned a few times in this thread of discussions, let

me put my two cents across. I think 'hoax' is a rather strong

over-interpretation on your part to what in scientific circles (and not

exclusively science -- alone!) would be a normal part of examining new

information. The discussion has been meandering and jumping between on the one

hand SS-based Kundalee as a better alternative for the currently used software

and on the other hand the supremacy of weather prediction using SS calculations.

Then into this comes this matter of what is super-science and what is not.

Somewhere in that melange is often voiced the personal feeling of being hurt and

if I may use the term, the feeling of being marginalized as you have expressed

from time to time. The picture gets even more complicated due to technical

issues, whether it is the coding or the user's systems and viruses and file

systems and what not. Please step back from all this and

put

> > > yourself in a bystander's shoes. It is not that people have not been

coming forth and sincerely trying your offering and getting frustrated because

they are told that it is their computer or system that is at fault. And then

within a few days you come up with a newer version. This is all very intriguing

or at least confusing. Why the need for so many versions if the program is

stable and I am not talking about all systems but just plain and simple Windows

XP, forget about vista and windows 7 or whatever.

> > >

> > > Being a labour of love, that Kundalee is obviously for you, I can

understand your feeling hurt or cornered when a question is asked but I am sure

even you realize that not everyone is trying to gang up on you. It is quite

possible that you may take this the wrong way and think that I am being

antagonistic towards you or your software, both of which are simply not true let

me assure you Sir.

> > >

> > > Without mincing words, there is obviously some interest in your mind to

get your software tested and improved, otherwise why would you remind us all the

urgency and usefulness in testing the software. Perhaps that should be the

focus, and I am not being unctorial -- primarily because I may not be old enough

or wise enough to serve that role!

> > >

> > > If we truly want Jyotish to be treated as Science, then like any other

scientist, we should be prepared to demonstrate and demonstrate in large volumes

of evidence and to field questions without getting upset, even when the

questions or statements may be rightly or wrongly seem to be sarcastic or

expressing disbelief. I fully understand that you would find it more efficient

to show the evidence in person and if godwilling I am in the neighbourhood, I

will try to visit you at your convenience obviously, but then perhaps we should

park that discussion (weather prediction and jyotish as a superscience) so that

we all do not keep spinning our wheels without moving even an inch.

> > >

> > > You may feel that I am wasting my time in writing these long missives, but

something within tells me that I am not...! It is all 'pensionable' time as far

as the Soul is concerned ;-)

> > >

> > > Best wishes and regards, as always

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Arjun Ji,

> > > > I have neither any interest nor any time for raising useless issues.

There are some persons who have no interest in testing my software (I am not

pointing at Krishnan ji) but are very keen on discussing everything with me

under the Sun excepting astrology, which sometimes leads to useless

controversies. I am sure you also have no interest in verifying my " hoax claims "

about weather forecasting. I did not use any uncivil word against Krishnan ji,

but the manner you are holding me guilty for my crime of complaining against

being called a fraud speaks of your partiality. I am not a professional

astrologer and I do not care for votes. But if you have any respect for truth,

ask Krishnan ji to test my " hoax " claims. I did not use any bad word for him.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings,

> > > > -Vinau Jha

> > > >

> > > > ============ ====== ========

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:15:44 PM

> > > > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re:

Kundalee

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > dear vinayji

> > > >

> > > > kindly do not get personal and take names. vattem krishnanji is a highly

learnt professor with rich experience from various premium government academic

institutes across india including IIT, Delhi. he also learnt astrology from ICAS

and hold two degrees there. criticsing him only makes you less understanding of

a person.

> > > >

> > > > you may kindly remember that when adi sankara visited the holy town kasi

and was in debate with mandan mishra, queries after queries were asked and

sankara replied. to the queries of the wife of mishra, having no answers,

sankara learnt them in a hard tantrik way and then answered those too to her

satisfaction.

> > > >

> > > > please note that when we present something to a forum or a group, onus

would be on us to substantiate and corroborate. if i were you, i would have been

more happier because people are asking queries about what i researched with lot

of time and energy spent and would not tire in answering till the querent is

answered satisfactorily.

> > > >

> > > > this is the spirit we display and expect from others especially

researches like you.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > > >

> > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > To All :

> > > > >

> > > > > I had no interest in making any claim at all about weather

forecasting. Rohiniranjan ji said he has seen no proof of Jyotisha being a super

science. In reply, I said I cannot prove it on internet, if he can allow even

half an hour face to face talk, I can show proofs. In return, I have started

receiving same kinds of epithets from Mr Vattem Krishna which I used to receive

from some members of AIA : krishnan ji says my statements as " hoax calls " ,

" tall claims " , etc etc. Mr Krishnan Ji makes his " hats off to the seers who with

their wits have studied nature and defined solar system " , and the topmost seers

have verified my hoax claims to be good and scientific : Click_Here and

ClickHere . Mr Krishnan Ji is making these wild allegations upon me on behalf of

the " fraternity of Astrologers " which has perhaps nominated him to call me a

fraud, but the recognized astrological community of India thinks otherwise :

ClickHere for decision of a recognized

> > > > > university after a high court decision to judge my " hoax claims " , and

ClickHere for the list of institutions which do not regard my claims as hoax.

Internet is free for all, and I have even received obscene abuses from " reputed "

astrologers. They have no interest in examining my claims which they declared to

be hoax without testing. But there are heads of departments of Jyotisha in

recognized Sanskrit university who are using my software to make " hoax " weather

forecasts : Click_Here Mr Krishnan if you can spare some of your PRECIOUS time

on reviewing the method which you so sportively spend on abusing me. I do not

believe he will be able to recall from which ancient text this method was

deduced, which he labels as hoax. But predictions made from this method have

been verified by Climate branch of NASA headquarters, among other institutions.

" Hats off to the seers " of physical science, and " heads down of those sages and

their followers like me "

> who

> > > > > wrote foolish treatises or worked upon them!

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ============ ==== ============

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 8:32:48 AM

> > > > > Re: Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re:

Kundalee

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > Study of Atmospheric Sciences is always a matter of contoroversy

whether as a part of science,Engineering and Technology or as an Art.

> > > > > we have modelling systems with +_ 5% variations.These forecasts that

come of conrolled environments of laboratories often seem to fail for one or

other reason.Today the most debated issue is ozone depletion and green house

effect.

> > > > > we have regard for Astrology and also follow the principle with due

faith.hats off to the seers who with their wits have studied nature and defined

solar system.we all know panch bhootas are the base for this universe and there

is no denial of this fact even from sciences.Astrology derives strength from the

palnetary moment.we also feel mystical why often planets expected movement and

beahviour often changes that what they r supposed to do in zig-zzg motions..Also

velocities yet times do change.All these variations give no doubt clues for

forecast of weather basing our thoughts from Astrological principles..

> > > > > yet we can not forget Astrology as a science of indictaive nature

helps common man.The basic dictum however no body else other than Brahma the

super creatot of Universe can only say(with some suthority)what shall happen

definetely.So it is not proper for us to make claims which are definetely not

justified. we may say as a fraternity of Astrologers we are moving forward to

predict weather or for that matter any affair with near accuaracy with our

indepth study of palnets and their beahviour.But then to say weather forecast or

rains happening with certainity can never be told.if we say so then the context

of Kaliyuga and then result of our actions in the present that contribute to the

future have no meaning at all.we talk of many hazy things but when it comes to

our relevance we only withdraw from the sceen.

> > > > > it is good that some effort has been made to develop software which

can be tried and tested but not making tall claims only defeats our purpose and

objectivity. let us continue to make our own individual effort to develop the

science of prediction but let us not make hoax calls.Fortunately we are now

relieved of the controversies of 1970-80 of ceratin scientists who called

Astrology in non sensical terms.Thanx to our great father of modern Astrologer

who defeneded Jyotish very scrupulously and won accloades to our field of

study.Let's not be therfore be catalysts for unwarranted controversies. we like

Astrology to advance and ready to make efforts to take it very close to the

society in general for it's benifits.

> > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 5/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >

> > > > > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re:

Kundalee

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, May 2, 2009, 8:31 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > dear vinayji

> > > > >

> > > > > from your mails, it seems you created a system or a way to foretell

when and where it is going to rain not for today, or tomorrorw or next week or

month or year or decade or century but even billions of years well in advance.

> > > > >

> > > > > there is an age old adage that says only god knows when it rains or

when one dies. indian met department daily forecasting or the cnn weekly weather

forecasting all have limited short term predictive capabilities that too only on

rains from clouds. many a time we witness heavy hailstorms where stonesized

hails suddenly come and spoiling the entire produce of a filed cultivated over a

season thereby bringing sudden losses to the farmers. such things were never or

remotely predicted even by the met department. could you even predict such

sudden loss inflicting hailstorms.

> > > > >

> > > > > astrology is not such a great superscience which cannot predict with

foolproof consistency from a horoscope, inter alia, on the living or dead status

of the native or gender of the native.

> > > > >

> > > > > since you developed a system using astrology to predict rains with

meticulous accuracy, i do not request any rain prediction for future but could

you kindly predict one cyclone or typhoon or hurricane which are surely

associated with rains that you could foretell. one such natural calamity

prediction in advance would make your rain predictive system more accepted and

also helps save human lives, god willing.

> > > > >

> > > > > similarly, have you also developed a way to predict a tentative date

when the next possible tsunami happens so that we keep track of it whether such

prediction works even if it happens in a plus or minus range of say one year,

because tsunamis come very very rarely.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Jha Saheb,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To the best of my knowledge accurate weather patterns and rain data

have been kept track of for maybe a lot less than 200 years. How would one

verify beyond that period to establish that expected/claimed was concordant with

the observed?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > foolproof rain forecasting billion of years in advance, which

weathermen cannot do even two weeeks in advance ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ >

> > > > > > > @ . . com

> > > > > > > Saturday, May 2, 2009 11:56:44 PM

> > > > > > > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re:

Kundalee

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No Vinay Jha Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I did read that and my question still remains unanswered! If it

does not quack, does not waddle and does not have webbed feet, then it cannot be

a duck! ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@

....> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR ji,

> > > > > > > > You read my message in a hurry. I said " But I am not talking of

this type of (magical) superscience. I talk of Jyotisha(as generally known)

being a superscience (which cannot be discussed on internet because it will take

half an hour to show you the proofs on a computer screen, but months for

presenting them on the internet). "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -vj

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ============ == ============ ==

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saturday, May 2, 2009 2:30:29 AM

> > > > > > > > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re:

Kundalee

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Greetings Vinay Jha ji!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sorry for the delay in responding -- I only noticed this

missive, just now.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I agree with the 'super nonsense' -- over the years particularly

on Internet I have seen a few of those and of course out there in the " real

world " Nonsense is the King (or perhaps the Queen?)!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you describe, feats such as telling someone bhagya without

horoscope, generating birthdata without being told (Yogi Karve and his children

are said to be doing that consistently and not just occasionally as you

experienced personally) are not unknown and though intriguing, I would not lump

them with astrology. Psychic prowess and yogic siddhis have been claimed to be

used by several astrologers and more power to them but that is not astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We should be able to hold them in separate bins and not make a

khichdi of it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And while magical, uncanny these should not be called super or

any science, until such time when their basis and workings are understood. That

said, there seems to be a tendency in modern people to consider 'science' as the

woolmark of purity. Astrology does not need such crutches that themselves are

still evolving. I mean science, of course!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Vinay Jha

<vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Special yogas make super science as well as super nonsense.

The super-science portion of Jyotisha cannot be acquired by means of bookish

knowledge, which does not mean Guru is not needed. In spiritual matters, a guru

shows the way and removes initial obstacles, but does not teach bookish

knowledge.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I can show show you concrete evidence of astrology being a

super science. But it is not possible on internet. the last verse of

Suryasiddhanta is : it is " rahasyam brahma sammitam " . I am not omniscient. There

are many facets of astrology in which you must have more knowledge than me, but

I also possess something, and that something will invite more abusive attacks if

I display them to the undeserving lot.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I can show you proofs of superscience, but I have no such

special yoga in my own horoscope (although there are occasions when God uses me

as a medium, when I tell exact birthdate of a person without looking at the

horoscope, but I cannot do it always, nor do I know how it is done. Perhaps the

person in distress deserved such help and God wanted to help). I know persons

who have such yogas, they never touched any book of astrology as far as I know,

but computed my age just by seeing my face, and the result was exactly same as

computed on the basis of Parashara and Jaimini. But I am not talking of this

type of superscience. I talk of Jyotisha being a superscience. For it, I need a

face to face talk, with my laptop there. If you come to India in future, may I

try to show you such evidence ? For instance, foolproof rain forecasting billion

of years in advance, which weathermen cannot do even two weeeks in advance ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:42:32 AM

> > > > > > > > > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re:

Kundalee

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , Vinay Jha

<vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha is indeed a super science and special yogas make

some persons better jyotishis. But these things cannot be taught. Hence it is

advisable for us all to adopt a scientific approach as as far as possible.

> > > > > > > > > > -vj

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > |||||||||||| ||||||||| ||||||||| ||||||||| |||||||||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Jha Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sorry but I do not see the connection between:

> > > > > > > > > <Jyotish ... is a super science...>

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > <special yogas make some better jyotishis>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Special yogas make one a better poet, a better priest, a

better teacher, a better writer, a better singer, a better crook or con-man, but

neither of these, hopefully, particularly the last pursuits di bit make those

super-sciences even though special yogas make one one of those!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You also said that these things [=super-science/ jyotish]

cannot be taught! Most individuals who may have intense devotion and dedication

for jyotish but were devoid of the ?advantage? of GPS (Guru, Parampara,

Shradhdhaa=devotion alone) will sigh a sigh of relief that their life and

pursuit was not a waste of a lifetime ;-)). Because if these things cannot be

taught then all this NOISE and NAGAADAA Vadan of having a Guru and the rest of

the nine yards as many make on the internet is perhaps overrated and overplayed!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Being a cautious and older person, I would avoid making such

one size fits all statements, as the hindustani term goes, " ...Gaahay

begaahay! " . I realize that Jyotish fora have only a minority that speak and

understand Hindi or other northern languages, so I suppose the nearest English

phrase for Gaahay Begaahay would be 'Willy-nilly! '

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I had a chance to observe children in day-care settings, so we

are talking really young and learning children. Some seemed to come almost

hard-wired for a highly sophisticated level of motor control, others were

obviously gifted at learning, some were sickly, others could roll in dirt day in

and day out and never had a sick day off.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As I moved from observing infants to toddlers to children, to

young adults to mature adults to older people and even those at the extremes of

their age in hospices and senior care centres, what I learned was that that

'variability' is inherent in the HUMAN cohort (and perhaps others animals too),

not only in their physical, motor, locomotor, mental, learning and other

capabilities but actually is the very reason which makes them not necessary to

be fitted into pigeon holes with prescriptions such as some make.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have seen absolutely NO EVIDENCE that astrology is a super

science! I await evidence -- since we are talking SCIENCE!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

RR JI,

Neither Suresh ji nor you read This_Page :

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010

 

It contains PrithviChakra centred at Meru, and Desha-Chakra centred at Vidisha

near Bhopal. Both articles have made extensive use of Sarvatobhadra Chakra.

 

There are six varieties of Koorma Chakra, all of them based upon a fixed Raashi

Chakra on which I drew bhaavachalita in standard ways of phalita. I did not use

Koorma chakra but the basic raashi chakra.

 

Ujjain is the point whence grahas start their movement at the beginning of

creation, Meru is the point from which Brahmaa ji is believed to make Creation,

Meru is also the geographical centre of all types of Prithvi Chakras. Vidishaa

is the geographical centre of all types of Desha Chakras.

 

Six layers of chakras are : Griha, Ksetra (plot), Nagar/Graam, Pradesh, Desha,

Prithvi. I have made softwares of the last two. If I succeed in making softwares

of other four laters too, I will be able to predict plotwise and housewise (I am

not sure). Varaha Mihira's Brihat Samhita contains gems I have not been able to

experiment with in my softwares. My shortcoming is that I am ONE human being,

not many.

 

-VJ

 

--

 

 

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

 

Tuesday, May 5, 2009 6:46:16 AM

Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re: Kundalee

 

 

 

 

 

What a brilliANT suggestion Suresh-ji!

 

Perhaps Ujjaini? The home of MahaKaal and one of the most illustrious jyotishis

and an Observatory too!

 

I have never visited Mangalore but does it have red rock (red sandstone or

Morrum as faint recollection reminds me from my childhood. It meant nothing

ofcourse, the red gravel of my childhood!

 

Later on, two places that I visited in my life: Sedona-Arizona which is nothing

but RED SANDSTONE and the brother of Lord Subrahamaniya as hopefully some of you

have seen on webpages or in person. And Prince Edward Island in Eastern Canada

where interestingly the red rock appears often, though not as much as in Sedona

and much more interestingly was the ZONE where many Irish immigrants (who remind

me of the essence of Mars often!) settled in when they came to Canada. PEI is

still known for its potato crops and interestingly, all harsh hurricanes and

weather systems arising in our southern neighbour -- USA pass through PEI each

year, the WINDS (vata) tamed but the WATER (Jala) still formidable and at times

destructive!

 

I would not bore you further with details that can be googled and perhaps have

been studied already by some weather-scientists.

 

Just a thought...!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Namasthe,

>

> Dear Vinay Ji,

>

> I visited the page you had provided for annual rain forcast. Your theory &

analysis actualy sounds interesting. It is resembling the kurma theory /method

of classification of area. (or I am I wrong) and the naming of states using

their first letter - actually katapayadi system (there are a few conventions) is

also intersting, since I have (and my Guru) used this to predict the whereabouts

of missing persons in prasna alone. Sun's Nakshtra is also considered to find

Yogini position - which as you know is Maha-nakshtra- as you rightly used for

mundane astrology.

>

> But do we have to consider the center point as mt Meru in kenya? Why can't we

align the Kurma(if I am correct in assuming) for each country - say to Madhya

pradesh / central India, for India and compute from there. will it not be more

precise & accurate?.

>

> Have you considered using the name of the preciding diety of each place -

Mangala devi - Manglore ruled by Mars etc?. Unfortunately this is possible only

for India. Type of soil - red soil - mars - white soil - Moon etc. Black soil /

rectanglar shaped sate / stony - saturn etc instead of depending on names

alone?.

>

> Just a thought - correct me if I wrong.

>

>

> with warm regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

>

>

>

>

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> >

> > Friends ,

> >

> > At present I have two sets of Medini softwares : for whole World and for

South

> > Asia. Predictions for entire astrological houses can be made, with

> > additional notes from Sarvatobhadra about individual places.. And these

> > forecasts will be in the form of solar returns and not Gregorian

> > calendar. This is Medini Astrology. What Rohini Ji wants is outside the

> > scope of any known text of Medini Jyotisha and comes under Jaadoo-tonaa

> > perhaps (please do not take it as an offence, I am stating what I feel to be

true).

> >

> > Rohini Ji has visited my website. There, I have given an article with some

examples of the technique I use for rain forecasting :

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains

> >

> > Exactly same technique has been used for making economic forecasts for the

world (by a Jyotisha HOD in KSD Sanskrit University, usint my software), and

economic forecast for India (by me) using another software by me :

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009-

Mar+2010

> >

> > Rain forecasts made from these mesha-pravesha national horoscopes were

verified by IMD and then by Climate branch of NASA headquarters :

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s_ Report%3B_ %26_my_Paper_

accepted_ by_CAOS%2C_ IISc

> >

> > This NASA scientist and chairman of Royal Meterological Society asked me to

convert mt forecasts into a scientific paper, which I did and sent it to IISc,

where I was invited to present it before an international conference in july

2007. This paper lies at :

> > http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/ A+New+approach+ to+Rain+Forecast

ing?t=anon

> >

> > At the end of this paper, I added (in appendix) one year's forecast, making

an annual rain prediction for 2007-8 at 98% (±2%). Check its accuracy or

inaccuracy, and compare it with IMD' prediction of 93%. Actual rains for four

months Jun-Sep was 104% and less for the whole year (whose data has not been

supplied by IMD or IITM yet).. Whose prediction was better, IMD's 93% or my

98%(±2%) ? The fact is I wanted to make a slightly higher figure, but was

restrained by publication of IMD's prediction of 93%. Had IMD not published its

prediction of 93%, I would have predicted 100% (±2%).

> >

> > All these webpages can be viewed from my software website. Rohini ji knows

my site. He is himselg an astrologer and knows that an astrologer can make

predictions from horoscopes of transits into raashis or nakshatras. My paper to

IISc clearly states that arranging of data in artificial calendar months is the

cause behind failure to discover 61 year rain cycle by previous scientists which

I discovered.

> >

> > But now Rohini wants me to make predictions for Christian calendar dates and

for regions which are not listed in my software. I have demonstrated two

softwares on my website : one for world, and another for India. There are 12

houses in a horoscope. I or Rohini ji can make predictions for entire region

falling within a particular astrologiical house, but now Rohini ji wants

town-wise report instead of an astrological house-wise report from me, and that

too in artificial format of Christian calendars instead of natural formats of

solar transits. Either he has not cared to look at my weather pages cited above,

or he wants to evaluate my weather research works on the basis of what I am NOT

offering, instead of evaluating my work on the basis of what I offered.

> >

> > I have softwares which are capable of providing forecasts at 12-hour

intervals, for South Asia (divided into 12 houses) and for whole world (again

divided into 12 houses).

> >

> > If I or anyone else can make predictions for Paris or Delhi, then it will be

equally easy to make predictions for every agricultural plot of the world,

because if a method if good for an artificial man made region, it must be good

for any other unnatural plot of land, large or small. I am sure there in no

method in astrology which can do such things. I thought my work will be

evaluated ASTROLOGICALLY, which means we ought to predict according to divisions

of regions into astrological houses and division of time according to solar

transits, eg Mesha Samkraanti which gives annual rain forecast or economic

forecast.

> >

> > I believe Rohini has has never read my weather pages, otherwise he would

have not asked for the impossible.

> >

> > Evaluating an astrological house quantitatively for stating predicted rains

or predicted economic growth in numerical terms is like asking an astrologer :

Do not tell me I will have a GOOD income during current Varsha pravesh, tell

me exactly how much money I will earn.

> >

> > Quatitative predictions contain some ± errors. But astrological prediction

is exact in the sense it can never predict a normal rainfall instead of a

drought as IMD did in 2002. I have checked 135 years of annual rainfall data of

IMD, plus 55 years of economic growth data of Indian govt's Economic Survey,

besides a lot of mediaeval and ancient events like wars, plagues, storms, etc,

without a singlr case of exception ever found. That is why I am confident about

Suryasiddhantic method. But unfortunately, I am always tested

non-astrologically. Can Rohini Ji please tell me why he wants to test Paris

instead of India for which I already have made a software and of which there is

plenty of past data to check the software ? I use Sarvatobhadra Chakra for

making predictions for individual places, and they come true if the place names

are ancient. For instance, my software indicated bad impact of 2004 Tsunami on

Madras but none on Chennai. Astrologers should

> > come forward to solve such problems, instead of leg pulling.

> >

> > -Vinay Jha

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