Guest guest Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 London 05.05.2009 10=45 a.m. Pujay shri Vinay Jha, I always like to read all your comments on all the subjects - plus visiting the sites mentioned by u - gives a wonderful and enormous knowledge - for which I am thankful to u from the bottom of my Heart. I am sure all other members must learning a lot from your articles [ knowledge] Although going to the subject of death - while going through the site - I do not know why a question come to my mind - if you wish u may please answer me if not than Hari bol As I have been predicted that as per chart that I should attain Mokhsa - but would like to know about my life span or period of death. please answer if you wish. details are as below: D.O.B. 18TH August 1931 P.O.B. Karachi [ now in Pakistan] T.O.B. 08 - 00 a.m. [ Eight a.m. in the morning] Thanking u in anticipation - pranamas pdk --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Re: 4/5 on S/W Case study Nehru Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 9:07 AM Prashant ji, Please concentrate on one topic at a time. The topic is DEATH, and not entire biographies. Analyses of Deaths of a number of well known persons will enable us to derive some fruitful astrological conclusion about Death, as well as about the most appropriate Ganita which can work with ancient Phalita rules of Parashara. We may discuss heart strokes in another topic, Wars in a third, and so on. Please do not confuse issues. All my attempts at any astrological discussion so far have been either diverted to non-astrological issues or to other topics. I fell all my time on internet is being wasted. Death is an important topic and I request you to concentrate on it. Prediction of death is the most difficult field in astrology, and if I am " claiming " to offer a foolproof method, why we should divert issues. Do not become angry at me " allegations " against you. Please do take take it that way. Please confine the topic to one issue. I stopped my work after giving four cases of death, because I found astrologers were not interested in it. Even if you take a firm decision to confine the topic to Death, you will find chemistry and history from others in this topic, which will need to be restrained by YOU, because you are a moderator. Diseases are prolonged are therefore more difficult to scritinize, but Death is instantaneous and requires on single computation of Dashaa. Death is easy to compute astrologically (provided the method is correct), and is one of the most important events easy to recognize in horoscopes. Less important events are more difficult to recignize. Hence, if we want to test methods, death is indeed one of the best topics to concentrate on. I am happy with your comments on other events in Nehru's life, and I will work on them, but not in the thread on Death. Please create and preserve a thread on Astrological Analysis of Death. -VJ ____________ _________ _________ __ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Tuesday, May 5, 2009 1:10:59 PM Re: 4/5 on S/W Case study Nehru Dear Viinay ji I am just starting to see a section of ur postings and obviously case studies is the starting point... in this I choose Nehrus's case and I will try to update this from late B V RAMAN jis writings on Nehru well before his troubles. raman had predicted Nehru will have a stroke in 53-54 and this was hidden from the country he did have ti and after this most of his decessions were off the mark. he had predicted China will attack India -Nehru dismissed it and UP leader satyanarayana sinha had also said this Nehru did not dismiss it. now looking at his death purely on dasa factors and no others say transits, SAV, Balas and not covering other MAJOR LIFE EVENTS is not complete even IF I SA Y FOR INSTANCE HE HAD A STROKE IN HIS ONSET OF RAHU DASA AFTER May 10 54 AND THE BREAK UP OF iNDIAN STATES, hINDU MARRIAGE REFORMS, CHINA WAR, HIS NEXT STROKE.... IN VARIOUS SUB PERIODS CAN DWELL IF U WANT ME TO just the end look at rah-bud-gur- rah-rah rahu is in 12th inD1, IN 7TH IN D9 is in its own star GURU IS IN 6th in D1 with Ketu in D9 in lagna SAV: Makara has 2/18, KUMBHA HAS 2/24 v low Bindhus gochara rahu was over natal rahu ketu over natal Guru sani transiting opp natal sani that is in the 8th by 7th aspect Guru-bud-kuja were opp to Budha+sukra in natal chart all these do transits must be viewd with the combination for a stroke isnt it but I am not saying this is absolute as the event has passed u must see Raman's daughter Gayithri devi vasu dev who predicted rajiv's gandhis end in front of a large gathering including cong leaders CM's 2 months before the actual event she had also said in Sept issue of the AM 84 in the article satn the King maker of Indira gandhis end in advance these kind of forecasts by anyone will help understand the subject and if the principles they followed worked for them why won't it work for others? they had enough vedic, traditional knowledge too Prashant I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Tuesday, May 5, 2009 11:26:29 AM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 4/5 on S/W Prashant Ji, Please do not digress into non-astrological topics, it will open a useless thread in which non-astrologers will jump in to waste my (and your) time. Why you do not see : http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 which is made from Meru in Kenya ? My rain forecasts verified by NASA and papre accepted at IISc were made from same softwares : http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s_ Report%3B_ %26_my_Paper_ accepted_ by_CAOS%2C_ IISc My paper accepted at IISc clearly shows the same Merucentric plan in Fif-11 at the bottom of that paper : http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s_ Report%3B_ %26_my_Paper_ accepted_ by_CAOS%2C_ IISc I have tested 136 years IMD rain data with Merucentric software, it works 100%. I have started putting the results at a webpage, but it will take time to add more due to power shortage in my state and my engagements : First page of Kundalee says it is based on Suryasiddhantic Ganita and Parashari Phalit. Jhora is also based on Parashara, and so are many other softwares. Hence, the basic difference is only in Ganita. The " forgotten " principles of ancient Ganita are forgotten or neglected by internet astrologers, but I repeated again and that my software is based upon texts prescribed in Jyotishaachaarya syllabus of all Sanskrit universities. I do not understand why this sentence is neglected. Suryasiddhanta is not my discovery, and only internet astrologers are forgetting it. It is another matter I do not follow Western interpretation of Suryasiddhanta. You " work " 16 hours a day, but half my time is wasted in useless controversies which is not " worK " . My problem is different from yours. Wastage of time on non-astrological controversies is a great nuisance which is hampering my serious tasks. I am working on a big project, with the help of scholars of Varanasi ans Prayaga (I do not want to call it Allahabad), on all extant great siddhaantas of India, Saurapakshiya as well as Drikpakshiya (ancient sages had better formulas for physical astronomy than the scientists of NASA possess, and I possess some of these ancient formulas, one of which is rotting at one of my webpages. Internet is not a good place for discussing ancient Indian astronomical wisdom, due to centuries of propaganda and resulting prejudice. Four case studies are at : http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death Timing of Death is one of the most complicated but necessary topic in predictive astrology. Hence started putting these case studies in Dec 2008, but stopped the work when I found no one interested in even reading those pages. I used the rules of BPHS, which are the same as in Jaimini Upadesha Sutra as far as Death is concerned. If astrologers start reading these case studies, I will put more case studies of famous persons. -VJ ========== ============ == ____________ _________ _________ __ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Tuesday, May 5, 2009 12:23:15 AM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 4/5 on S/W Dear Vinay Ji again u misinterpret or twst what I did not say I never said comparitive study with other s/w like PL, OR JH did i i meant between the system or approach that is used in them and any s/w or manually and U SAID U R USING some ancient, forgotten principles.. . so the study is ony on these not on S/W it is unethical to ask for a business product study no way i wud ask any1 now on Meru it was a suggestion if pangea can be a clue I AM NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING on crossing the ocean RAMA CROSSED THE OCEAN AS HE HAD TORESCUE SITA HE DID NOT GO TO PREACH, TEEACH, LEARN above all he is a avatara purusha so it can't be a bench mark only reason I could make out for such a ban was the inconvenience of bathing 3 times and doing Trikala sandhya which was part of any Brahmin's obligation. and rama was a kshatriya so his duties of Sandhy are lesser. I WANT U to share, exchange Ideas freely I dont want any member to leave anytime I respect anyone who shares shows the forgotten past of Vedic, Indian culture pl se my past messages in 2005-007 later my time constraints came in I can check the KS may be in a few weeks time, it one thing writing a text msg that to suggestive, than do a serious testing excercise I too work 16 hrs a day, u can see the posts/msg approval times and in 2005-sept 07 isued to reply almost round the clock in 7 forums. be patient and I will await ur case studies, if they r there let me know will see them only today u said 6 r there last month when we asked u said u will do so when time permits not sure if I missed any post that u have posted cases as said Min 10 will help I will try tosee them this week end. pl see every msg in peaceful mood and read a few times u will not see any member treating u here like what AIA team does, by now u must have known this my posts were only a possible clue to u than saying that is the truth only i cant say that anytime as we ned more time, data to say anything LASTLY AGAIN ON THE SURYA DIDDHANTA I HAD SAID MANYTIMES RAMAN USED SURYA SIDDHANTA MODEL ONLY AS PROPOUNED BY Sripathi HIS AYANAMSA IS REVATHI PAKSHA OR ZITA PISCUM which is extolled by some western writes on the greatness of Indian rishies on the precission of the equinox well before raman or his grandfather were born. I use ramans as u will see all my msgs say it. best wishes prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ > Monday, May 4, 2009 11:05:26 PM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 4/5- Mike Davis Prashant Ji, (1) I clearly said Jamboodvip has been renamed as Africa + Europe + Asia, but it is one great island even today, in spite of artificial Suez Canal. I deliberately avoided any comment on Pangea because I did not want to open another non-astrological thread which will lead to wastage of time. (2) You said Egypt stole India' Knowledge. I did not refute. I added Egyptians were originally same as Indians culturally, the area of Vedic influence was much bigger in earlier ages. (3) You said " there is no way one language can be part of such a vast spread of mankind " . Here you shoe difference with me. I believe human race had one language, because all scientists say that there is one common source of present specie of humans. That one language seems to be Vedic. (4) <<<* u r misunderstanding me [when it other way around>>> If I say, even wrongly, that you are misunderstanding me, is it an insulting remark to invite words like " twisted and bent " mind ? (5) <<<* u r not prepared to test my s/w [when uave to give comparitive studies from ur end]>>> I said to Pankujj Dhar Ji many days ago that I will give case studies from my software, but I cannot undertake comparative studies with other softwares, because it will mean an offence against other software makers. Why Should I belittle PVR's Jhora or ParasharaLight ? Why should I start a war with them ? There were six individual case studies on my website, besides 3 mundane studies, now one has been removed due to insistence of the native. I said " u r not prepared to test my s/w " because these nine case studies were rotting at my website, for which you had no time, but now you have plenty of time on Meru and Pangea which you want to discuss with a software developer. I had commented on Meru in what I supposed was a private talk with Rohini Ji, and now it is going to be made a big issue. (6) <<<** any study, invention, discovery that comes up in the scientific, medical, litarcheogical world has to be demonstrated in some measure with a comparitive analysis THE ONUS OF PROVING IT one who propese something new or different from the ones in circulation. >>> I have not made any invention or discovery, so I am under no obligation to prove anything. It is a rumour spred by some members of AIA. Those who do not want to test my free software may forget it. I made a software on the basis of texts already prescribed in Jyotishaachaarya syllabus of all Sanskrit universities, which was duly recognized after three pandit sabhaas ( Here ) after a high court order ( ClickHere <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Credentials> ) ; if a university order following a high court order of enquiry is unreliable, what is the worth of verdict by private persons? (7) <<<if u accept Jamboo dwipa as the Pangea then ur argument of Kenya as Meru point is easily swallowable for the critics of vedic culture>>> I do not want to answer such remarks. You have not read my previous messages in which I quoted verses from Suryasiddhanta, Narapatijayacharyaa , etc about the location of Meru. I deliberately avoided any reference to Pangea. You are viewing the whole issue from a different perspective, oblivious of the fact that my mundane softwares (not kundalee) are based on the Suryasiddhantic concept of Mt Meru at equator in Jamboodvip, and dozens of Medini Jyotisha softwares based on Mt Meru in Kenya are giving astonishing results. I have a long list of evidences and credentials, verified by NASA <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s_ Report%3B_ %26_my_Paper_ ac\ cepted_by_CAOS% 2C_IISc> , IISc <http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/ A+New+approach+ to+Rain+Forecast in\ g?t=anon> , KSDS university <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+201\ 0> , which show that horoscopes made from Mt Meru give astonishing results. My only mistake was that I decided to call it by its Suryasiddhantic name. Had I called it Mt Kenya, there would have been better response for my work in internet fora. But why should I care for abuses or praises? I work ~ 16 hours a day. Do you know how my time is spent ? I am asked to make a rainfall prediction for Paris for ~40 days , I am asked to publish analysis of Tsunami, I am asked to prove Suryasiddhanta by rhetoric alone, I am asked to prove Meru, I am asked to publish comparative studies with other softwares (I really want to add more case studies but I cannot attack other softwares by making comparative studies), etc etc. All these are in addition to my normal work of software development (adding new modules & c). And then comes almost a daily dose of abuses by a drunkard in Australia who poses as a scientist, to which even a slight addition by anyone else is too much. Can you work under such a pressure ? I have already left two forums in order to spend time on my work. Prashant Ji, cool down. My students are heads of departments. I do not have a " twisted and bent " mind. I never used any foul word. I am under an oath before God never to lie. If I say Mt Meru is not Mt Kenya, I will go to Hell. But if you say the same thing, you will not go to Hell, because you do not possess the PROOF, which I possess and want to show,but instead of viewing these astrological evidences in an astrological forum, I am being diverted towards geology, linguistics, history, etc. Same thing happened in AIA. Cool down and think for a while. If you really think I am unwanted, say it plainly and I will leave your forum. I came for an astrological discussion, which is not happenning. I have much work before me. If I cannot display my astrological work here, what will I do here ? To summarize , I made two types of softwares : (1) One horoscopic software, which can be tested here ONLY if I make comparisons with other softwares , insulting them. (2) Some mundane softwares which either cannot be tested or viewed because they are based upon a mountain outside India. Strange arguments are given by you : " crossing the oceans was sin in vedic times! " Then, Lord Rama and Hanuman ji sinned by crossing the sea ! RV speaks of great seagoing boats. Practices of decadent phase of Indian history should not be imposed on its past. When I told Punkujj Dhar ji that 6 individual and some mundane case studies already lie at my website, and I will add more when I get time, but I cannot insult other softwares by making comparisons with them, he left the thread, because he has no time to view my case studies ! You say the choice is mine. Given the conditions put forth by you, you know my answer. If my works are not tested in this forum, I am not going to lose anything, because I do not sell softwares. Do not show me Pangea. I read about it decades ago. Exchanges of ideas and counter-ideas should not be misunderstood as " twisted and bent mind " . Read this message twice, and answer in a cool manner, or do not answer at all. I really do not want to disturb you over my softwares. If you have no time, there is no need of testing my software. Why make it an issue ?? -VJ ============ =========== , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Vinay ji > > u must read, re-read my posts again and again and then comment I want u to practice this for all mails u read at least in THIS GROUP where v r discussing ur threads in a civilised manner and if u treat us also ONLY WITH UR TWISTED OR BENT MID > * u r misunderstanding me [when it other way around > ** u r not prepared to test my s/w [when uave to give comparitive studies from ur end] > > ** any study, invention, discovery that comes up in the scientific, medical, litarcheogical world has to be demonstrated in some measure with a comparitive analysis > THE ONUS OF PROVING IT one who propese something new or different from the ones in circulation. > > IT IS UR OBLIGATION TO BE PATIENT, TOLERANT OF ALL VIEWS, QUESTIONS AND present/PROJECT UR VIEWS if u loose patience and also misinterpret and also hurt members u will end up with a good subject and NO USERS of it. choices is urs. > > we r open and tolerant so from our side u can;'t expect trouble but if u r careless it can happen unwittingly. > > don't react on a mail, act on it is waht i last said > > I HAVE NEVER SAID IN ANY POST ANYTIME GREEKS R originals > > I NEVER SAID PANGEA is Jambhoo dwipam, but if say it is part of Vedic land then there must be a connection of some sorts > > but if u accept Jamboo dwipa as the Pangea then ur argument of Kenya as Meru point is easily swallowable for the critics of vedic culture plus western scientis at the same time > > this is ur conceding it NOT MINE > > u can't have it both ways that it is not part of a bigger continent sometime ago and has split > and it was/is near Equator > > and remember when u argeue how did ppl communicate their cultural , spiritual discussions fif the sea seperated them? > > sea faring was sin, crossing the oceans was sin in vedic times OFFICIALLY TILL SIVAJI THE GREAT CAME IN NO ONE WENT ANOUNCED TO FOREIGN LANDS, THEY WERE FORCIBLY TAKEN BY THE aRABS. > > > but as HISTORY, GEOGROPHY WAS DIVIDED BY THE WEST TO SUIT THEIR IMPERIAL WAYS > > ON CULTURE, SUPERIOR BLOOD, RACE ETC > > please read Mike davis now re-raned as Pavan Kumar his articles in the Astrological magazine in the late 80;s > > he shows with a lot of research that > > MAHARISHIS disciples r > > > > please read my posts a few times and get back, ho hurry! > > alsos ee the animated pictutre of the pangea in the link > > also consider if pangea was not there also the Indian sub continent must have drifted upwards from Equitor over a period of time current MAPS is no basis to suggest any THING HARD. > > Prashant > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ ... > > Monday, May 4, 2009 4:43:36 PM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > > > Prashant ji, > > I devoted 12 years on comparative linguistics and I know vedic language is the original language, but as long as Western hegemony remains it will be impossible to establish truth. > > If you think Africa's ancient past was pagan then you are mistaken. Vedic culture was practised over entire Jamboodvipa, of which Bharata-varsha was only a small, although most important, part. Creation was created from Mt Meru in Kenya, but actual history of Vedic peoples was centred in India from the very beginning. It is a long history everywhere forgotten, only some portions of Puranas mention it. > > Read my article Yajna posted today, it provides an irrefutable proof of Vedic origin of prehistoric Greeks. AKK is just opposite of facts. > > -VJ > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > Monday, May 4, 2009 10:24:36 AM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > Vinay ji > > I DID NOT SAY I APPROVE OF AKK;s views > > nor did I say Vedic culture is imported from greece, egypy etc... > > pl re-read my post > > I am clear that egypt got the knowledge by hijacking many scholars from India and killed them after their scholars learnt the subject and from egypt it sprread to West-europe ZERO, CHEMISTRY OR RASAYANA SHASTRA BY Charaka and his compatriot [i forget the name for the moment] > > I have said by ur ALLUDING Mt Meru to Kenya u r approving AKK so make sure it is so nothe otherway as u assume I said > > also read the PANGEA link i sent u i am actually using the word for the 1st time [in the sarch as i heard the word never read about it till now earlier i had only heard of the word may be 35 yrs ago never had a chance to read it though understood it from the time i heard it in a radio program in apr 74 while I was in my 7th std in Bangalore > > there is no way one language can be part of such a vast spread of mankind even Bharatha varsha, bharata khande had the Prakruit, sanskirt and other local strains, culture, rituals also do differ and there can be similarities as said in the way fire, Sun was worshipped in all cultures [except the Monoliths that came later, church, mosues] > > Thanks > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 7:05:52 PM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > Prashant Ji, > > MBh gives Jamboodvip's dimensions as 18600 yojanas. Measure of yojana changes from time to time. All astronomical texts of ancient India give Earth's diameter as 1100-1600 yojanas only, hence 18600 yojana for Jamboodvip cannot belong to that period in history when yojana's value was much larhe. Sayana refers to a shruti in RV,i,50 that Surya (which Mr subhash Kak reads as spped of light) moves at a speed of 2202 yojana per half nimisha. If this is actually the speed of light, then this value of yojana makes 18600 yojana exactly equal to the distance from Cape Town to Bering Starits in far east of Siberia. > > You are misled by forerunners of AKK who distorted Indian history. Geographical India is a small country, but what we know as Indian culture was practised over entire Jamboodvip, which is narrated in ancient texts. Names of countries in Jamboodvip which were outside India can be found in many Puranas and MBh. On the other hand, there is no ancient proof to limit Jamboodvip to merely India, India is a small part of Jamboodvip. Secondly, no ancient text says Mt Meru was within India. But it does not mean Indian culture was imported from Greece or Egypt. The contrary is true : > > The greatest Greek comedian Aristophanes wrote a comedy The Birds around ~400 BC, which said the ancestors of Greeks offered oblations into fire whose smoke went into Heavens to feed gods. It proves the existence of ritualistic Vedic Yajna among the ancestors of greeks. Yet, Europeans falsely teach us that the ancestors of Aryans practised a simple religion based on prayers like the psalms of Bible, and declared Rgveda to be the original Veda because it was a book of prayers, and Yajurveda was the invention of non Aryan brahmins who invented Yajna. Rgveda and YV name each other innumerable times, and their language is also contemporary. Yet, many Indians believe in this false propaganda and fail to read Greek evidences which show Yajna was practised bt their remote ancestors. The word Europa in Greek meant " easterlies (winds " and European means " those who came from the East " ! > > The existence of Sanskrit placenames like Meru in Kenya or Kinyangiri in Tanzania does not mean India was a part of Kenya. It means a single language and culture was practised in the whole the world. It tallies with the descriptions of cultures in various parts of Jamboodvipa found in Puranas and MBh. > > -VJ > > ============ ===== ============ > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:55:08 PM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > Dear Vinay ji > > if u r refering to to Jamboo dweepa as what the westerners called the Pangea here is the link > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Pangaea > > which shows the continetal drift theory where AMERICAS [north south] and europe, saudi arabia, australia, India and smaller pieces that could not join the big break ups as islands > > then u r close to AKK's call that all of Hindu/vedic knowledge is purely lifted from the greek > > which is beyond the truth > > as the multiple discpplines in any subject Vedic heritage is way ahead > > Egyptians did steal/smuggle many vedic scholars and took most of our traditional wisdom > > Mayan civilisation has many close similarities to Vedic and in all civiilisations the fire, sun etc are supreme forces-gods and almost represt whatever astrology attributes to ravi. > > the ;onk also suggests some period where it cud have happened also > > but superimpose this witht ye Yugas, the puranas etc and come up with something fresh > > and till then pl treat every source of info as INFO and none of us can claim possession to original source anyday as vedic heritage never believed in claiming, bragging knowledge just lived by practice alone > > transfered knowledge by word of mouth only palm leaves were just intermediate sources till it was memorised and each guru had it written for his sishyas and they once memorised it were asked to destroy it by sprinkling water on it daily after prayers they decayed naturally > > u won't find misuse of knowledge like Einstiens Nuke bomb -info of it was for nuclear energy not bombs and he regreted sharing that info of dual use in public after the dirty bombs were used in his lifetime itself > > Vidya vinaya sampanae is vedic rest is barbaric > > Prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:30:45 PM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > Krishnan Ji, > You are making wrong statements. Jamboodvip was much bigger than Meru, and there are many ancient references which put it outside India. It was regarded as the highest point, being the centre of Cosmos, hence Varah Mihira called it North Pole. Suryasiddhanta says it is at equator. Neither North Pole nor equator can be located in India. Narapatijayacharya says it is said to be at the centre of Earth but is not found there , the reason was people had lost the knowledge of Africa which was known to ancient sages who said Meru was at equator in Jamboodvip. Jamboodvip is a sigle big contintnt which Euripeans have artificially named as Africa, Europe and Asia. This new nomenclature is misleading you. > -vj > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > vattem krishnan bursar_99 > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:29:02 AM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > Dear Sirs, > The evolutionary trends continue to be there.Our reverred scriptures identified MERU as part of Bharat varshe,Bharat Khande.This position is not contested or changed so far by any one.The importance of MERU for the people of Inidian origin is Supreme and continues to be there.There should not be a second thought about it.Till the end of kaliyug ,it continues to be related to Jambu dweepe and can never be altered > vrkrishnan > > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > Sunday, May 3, 2009, 1:45 AM > > For the curious. ////CAVEAT: This is not scientific or superscientific evidence!/// / > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_evolution > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun ji > > > > a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say > > > > Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande > > Meru dakshina dik bhagae. > > > > for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae... > > > > the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the Himalays formed etc... > > > > Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said.... > > > > the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists version of history to suit their version > > > > we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood > > > > but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved upwards to Europe, asia... > > of African breed > > > > Prashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM > > meru parvat - to vinayji > > > > > > > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong, kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query. > > > > if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa. > > > > the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more. of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history knowledge. > > > > besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam correctly. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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