Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Kundalee, tsunamis, earthquakes, cataclysmic rains and floods

[Guest guest]

RR Ji,

 

Aristotles said that the mark of genius is not the ability to answer

correctly, but to raise correct questions ! Because if correct questions

are raised, someone will find correct answer someday.

 

I must thank you for your pertinent questions.

 

-VJ

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, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Vinay Jha Ji,

>

> Look at it this way: If I did not ask, you would not have answered in

such details!

>

> I am glad that I helped in getting this complex mess sorted out a wee

bit at least!

>

> The way I was raised -- questions were just natural rights! ANSWERS

were privileges and we were taught to be thankful for those, once

received!

>

> So Thank YOU. Jha Ji!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> >

> > RR Ji,

> >

> > I could not understand why you made such wrong remarks about me :

> >

> > <<<<<

> > " You presumably have a job, a faculty position, a responsibility to

teach and conduct research I hope and get paid by an educational

institution, and have students who depend upon YOUR performance, and

technicians (let us not forget them!) who rely on your performance

because they are not independent but you presumably are! "

> > >>>>>

> >

> > You know I am a lifelong something, which means I never entered into

any paid or unpaid service of any sort. I am founder, donor, trustee,

secretary, vice-chairman, etc of some schools and colleges, and unpaid

" Ganitajna " of seven panchangas, but these are not jobs and I do not get

any payment for these " services " which are actually not services. I

donate my panchanga software to some institutions free of cost, which

does not make me their servants. I made heavy donations to schools or

sanyaasis, and I have no bank account at all. I subsist on one meal a

day, without salt-spices-oils, etc. I tolerate abuses, excepting when

some cause is hurt. I never lie, even if it makes me lose legal suits.

And above all, I do not need a certificate of being a monk, for which I

deliberately avoid bhagwaa dress and prefer all white dhoti kurtaa. I

avoid even satsangas and akhaadaas of monks, because sanyaas is based on

solitude. People in my locality do not believe me

> > to be a sanyaasi because I commit the crime of riding a mobike and

I do not have outward appearances of a sanyaasi excepting a beard which

I keep just to save time, but they are surprised with one peculiarity :

all sanyaasis from outside my town visit me and I make donations to all

of them and none of them visits any other door in my mohulla which has

many wealthy persons.

> >

> > It was perhaps such misconceptions about me (having a job) which

leads you you write in following fashion, which I have continued to

neglect, because I do not want any controversy with you :

> >

> > <<<Being the supremely disciplined monk/hermit etc that you have

often reminded us that you were, these ordinary earthly metaphors and

examples probably mean nothing to your good self, but then again, YOU

are living in the reality of US great unwashed! >>>

> > <<<why, Vinay Ji must Mr. Sreenadh be this strong influence in your

life>>>

> >

> > I wonder why you write thus ! Many previous messages were also in

similar vein.

> >

> > I do not earn, but God sends me money when I need it, from above.

> >

> > - VJ

> >

> > ============ ============

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Rohiniranjan rohini_ranjan@

> >

> > Wednesday, May 6, 2009 10:41:41 AM

> > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re:

Kundalee, tsunamis, earthquakes, cataclysmic rains and floods

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > And why, Vinay Ji must Mr. Sreenadh be this strong influence in your

life that should be so important in modern India of 2008/2009, more than

60 years after Bharat Mata has become Azaad? Or maybe I should be

politically correct and say SWATANTRA, lest I be mistaken as being

urdu-lover!

> >

> > In general terms, Sir, most people hate alarm clocks and when they

ring and try to wake us up, we HIT them and try to shut them up! Being

the supremely disciplined monk/hermit etc that you have often reminded

us that you were, these ordinary earthly metaphors and examples probably

mean nothing to your good self, but then again, YOU are living in the

reality of US great unwashed! You presumably have a job, a faculty

position, a responsibility to teach and conduct research I hope and get

paid by an educational institution, and have students who depend upon

YOUR performance, and technicians (let us not forget them!) who rely on

your performance because they are not independent but you presumably

are!

> >

> > Even monks who have chosen to live in the mundane reality in which

most of us live have responsibilities and duties! As long as they are

not ready to go in seclusion and live like a recluse in some cave where

no one can find them and bother them!!

> >

> > Take it or leave it!!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > RR Ji,

> > > Only one person Mr Sreenadh made unsavoury remarks about, saying

90% of participants were ignorants. But he spoke in English, which was

understood by a handful of persons, because all American participants

had gone for Prayag bath then. This action of Mr Sreenadh did not affect

me or the conference in the least. Besides, Mr Sreenadh did not name me.

Moreover, I was an invitee, and therefore why should I think that

Sreenadh's attack on the conference was an attack on me? I never

organized any astrological conference in my life.

> > >

> > > I did not want to name Mr Sreenadh, but RR ji compelled me to

repeat an incident which I wanted to forget. Mr Sunil Nair and one lady

were also present in Prayaga Conference, but they did not speak

anything. Mr Sunil Nair has invited me to AIA again, but I am unwilling

because I do not want to quarrel with Mr Sreenadh who is too egotistical

to behave properly.

> > >

> > > <<<if you want to reconsider and change your position and batter

on a new target, that is fine!>>>

> > >

> > > I will not answer in same vein. My planrets are not exalted, and I

must bear.

> > >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> > >

> > > =========== ===========

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > MKuP <jyotish@ >

> > >

> > > Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:35:27 AM

> > > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re:

Kundalee, tsunamis, earthquakes, cataclysmic rains and floods

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay Ji,

> > >

> > > <RR ji was remembering very clearly what you wrote about your

recent conference experiences where some people came on stage and tried

to be disruptive and so on! You wrote about that publicly and privately

but if you want to reconsider and change your position and batter on a

new target, that is fine!>

> > >

> > > I was just checking, just to make sure! ;-)

> > >

> > > PEACE if you can find it!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@

....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RR Ji,

> > > >

> > > > If you do not take it as a boasting, no one has ever tried to

corner me in any conference. I used to avoid conference, but on the

insistence of Dr Nagendra Pandey (currently HOD Jyotisha, Sampoornanand

Sanskrit University, Varanasi), I started visiting conferences. In 25%

of conferences I visited, I was made the sole speaker, in 25% I chaired,

in 25% shaastraartha in friendly manner was conducted by heads of depts

of Jyotisha in which everyone ultimately came to support Suryasiddhanta

in astrology, and in remaining 25% I was one of the speakers but not

cornered, although I like to sit in corners away from limelight and in

one conference the organizers pulled me physically to chair an

international conference in which 52 participants had come from USA. In

that conference, one member made some derogatory remarks about the

conference and not on me, which I had informed in one of my messages in

this forum, which RR ji is not remembering properly.

> > > >

> > > > Due to misunderstanding of some members in AIA, I left that

forum. Then, I was expelled from the forum of Mr Prashant Pandey because

I did not support the calendar reform project of Mr AK Kaul. Barring

these undemocratic instances, I never felt any attempt of cornering me

in any forum, although there have been instances of misunderstanding

which is but natural in large forums where many members do not have time

to read all messages and sometimes misunderstand each other. At present,

there is only one person, Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya, whose principal agenda

is to corner me. But is not an astrologer, and has a poor regard for

mathematics and ethics. Time and again I have proven his errors, after

which he changes stances instead of honestly accepting his mistakes or

at least keeping quiet.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Discussion involves differences, which are sometimes

misunderstood as hostility or feeling of persecution mania by some

members. There should be differences and discussions, without personal

attacks or even personal remarks.

> > > >

> > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > ============ ============

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, May 6, 2009 8:23:05 AM

> > > > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re:

Kundalee, tsunamis, earthquakes, cataclysmic rains and floods

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Kumar ji,

> > > >

> > > > I for one never really seriously thought that Vinay ji has a

persecution complex or anything like that. He may be feeling a bit

cornered due to his experiences on several fora and from certain

individuals as he has shared, cornered not just on Internet but also in

workshops and conferences if I am remembering correctly from his past

messages.

> > > >

> > > > When I asked him to predict the weather pattern in Paris for 40

days and so on, I was not trying to provoke him or to corner him but

simply opening a specific window rather than these threads going all

over the place and to the end of time!

> > > >

> > > > No one is under any obligation to prove anything, even things

that they claim and absolutely stand behind.

> > > >

> > > > The only CONSTANT is CHANGE and any change in position and

statements simply is a sign of growth!

> > > >

> > > > Why else would we humans, ALL OF US, be sent down to live a

human lifetime?

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna ji

> > > > >

> > > > > true, well said he is doing a good job bu does suffer from a

persecution complex in spite of assuring him here w e will not target

him or make fun of him but work along with him in understanding his

subject, s/w etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > I really wish he does see all the members here have max wanted

to check than doubt his claims we all want a good model to follow and

only doubt is the method so far being used by the stalwarts have also

delivered good results so this must make us all stall warts from

ordinary astrologers.

> > > > >

> > > > > the subject is too deep and has divine hand in its use,

application from us andd to the qurient and can never be a LAB

demonstratable product

> > > > >

> > > > > Karmic forces have their own script in this matters is what we

r taught , understand

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> > > > >

> > > > > Tuesday, May 5, 2009 6:37:13 PM

> > > > > Re: Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay

Ji?Re: Kundalee, tsunamis, earthquakes, cataclysmic rains and

floods

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Vinya Ji,

> > > > > You have supplemented great information onyagnas.it is master

peiece.we all have liked it and convey our great appreciation.

> > > > > About your weather modelling and forecasts,the base you have

is really a path breaking approach.Also the software you are attempting

must also fulfil your ambition as you are working deligently.we do not

want to rush through mails and pass any untowrd comments as we find

great committment. Probably, thorough analysis and it's application that

leads to facts need some reaosnable time for all interested people to

get satisfied.

> > > > > " Rohini ji's advice was aimed for preventing any useless

personalized controversy, and not for preventing any genuine

astrological discussion "

> > > > > we always aim for this as the benifit for such discussions

improves image of JR and allof us

> > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > Re: Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay

Ji?Re: Kundalee, tsunamis, earthquakes, cataclysmic rains and

floods

> > > > >

> > > > > Monday, May 4, 2009, 3:00 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Krishnan Ji and All Others ,

> > > > >

> > > > > When words like " hoax " are used, issues may get personalized.

Kundalee is only one among dozens of softwares developed by me. Barring

a few panchanga making softwares which are being used by many

institutions, all my softeares are related to weather forecasting. Each

year, I send weather forecasts to scientists. I get invitations from

scientific conferences, most of which I avoid because I do not want to

travel long distances. Very few astrologers have reviewed my weather

forecasts and hence do not know my forecasts or the method behind them.

Hence, there was scope of misunderstanding. You are a good astrologer

and it will be easy for you to recognize that if astrological method is

perfect for expalining all available data of 200 years, then this method

MUST be perfect for millions and billikons of years, because

astrological method does not depend on pressure or temperature which

cannot be guessed too much in advance. It is unfortunate that you are

> > > > > neglecting or misinterpreting my statements. I think you do

not want to keep away from discussing weather forecasting as such, I

believe you do not want to discuss the topic until and I accept you

charge that my claim is a hoax claim !! If I complained that you should

not call anything a " hoax " without testing it, you think I am

personalizing the issue !! My forecast was tested at NASA headquarters (

Click_Here ), but your time is more precious. You are free to not test

my weather software, but you must not advise others to do the same. I

devoted long years to develop weather forecasting softwares which are a

great proof of the accuracy of siddhanta. Why you want to banish this

PROOF without allowing it a fair trial ?? Will such an attitude harm me

personally ? No Sir. Over 230,000 persons were killed by 2004 Tsunami,

and a member yesterday asked me to show some astrological reason behind

that mishap. I am posting my analysis today, which you may

> > > > > overlook if you have already taken a decision to keep away

from my weather softwares. But there are persons who are interested in

tsunamis, earthquakes, cataclysmic rains and floods (most of my work

relate to this lat category). I will post my reports to them, if you are

not interested. Rohini ji's advice was aimed for preventing any useless

personalized controversy, and not for preventing any genuine

astrological discussion. I hope you will change your decision.

> > > > >

> > > > > Good Wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > > > ============ ==== ============ ==

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > vattem krishnan bursar_99 >

> > > > >

> > > > > Monday, May 4, 2009 6:42:38 AM

> > > > > Re: Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay

Ji?Re: Kundalee

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > It is right to concentrate one and only one issue of surya

siddhanta and the development of software kundalee.All other issues of

Super Sience and weather forecast for next hundred years and related

issue may suggest level of confidence held in Astrology.But we need also

to know that we are into such a vast subject hwere ever other moment

subjectivity creeps in unfortunately.

> > > > > when one is deeply involved all other write up and

interventions are not only difficult to understand but gets

personalised. Every on of us are eagerly waiting for the successful nad

acceptable version of kundalee software.More than this,to read any thing

in missives is to deviate from the proposed objectives and goals to

reach.It is a good suggestion made by Shri Rohini Ji

> > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

> > > > > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re:

Kundalee

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009, 12:48 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vinay ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Since my name got mentioned a few times in this thread of

discussions, let me put my two cents across. I think 'hoax' is a rather

strong over-interpretation on your part to what in scientific circles

(and not exclusively science -- alone!) would be a normal part of

examining new information. The discussion has been meandering and

jumping between on the one hand SS-based Kundalee as a better

alternative for the currently used software and on the other hand the

supremacy of weather prediction using SS calculations. Then into this

comes this matter of what is super-science and what is not. Somewhere in

that melange is often voiced the personal feeling of being hurt and if I

may use the term, the feeling of being marginalized as you have

expressed from time to time. The picture gets even more complicated due

to technical issues, whether it is the coding or the user's systems and

viruses and file systems and what not. Please step back from all this

and

> > put

> > > > > yourself in a bystander's shoes. It is not that people have

not been coming forth and sincerely trying your offering and getting

frustrated because they are told that it is their computer or system

that is at fault. And then within a few days you come up with a newer

version. This is all very intriguing or at least confusing. Why the need

for so many versions if the program is stable and I am not talking about

all systems but just plain and simple Windows XP, forget about vista and

windows 7 or whatever.

> > > > >

> > > > > Being a labour of love, that Kundalee is obviously for you, I

can understand your feeling hurt or cornered when a question is asked

but I am sure even you realize that not everyone is trying to gang up on

you. It is quite possible that you may take this the wrong way and think

that I am being antagonistic towards you or your software, both of which

are simply not true let me assure you Sir.

> > > > >

> > > > > Without mincing words, there is obviously some interest in

your mind to get your software tested and improved, otherwise why would

you remind us all the urgency and usefulness in testing the software.

Perhaps that should be the focus, and I am not being unctorial --

primarily because I may not be old enough or wise enough to serve that

role!

> > > > >

> > > > > If we truly want Jyotish to be treated as Science, then like

any other scientist, we should be prepared to demonstrate and

demonstrate in large volumes of evidence and to field questions without

getting upset, even when the questions or statements may be rightly or

wrongly seem to be sarcastic or expressing disbelief. I fully understand

that you would find it more efficient to show the evidence in person and

if godwilling I am in the neighbourhood, I will try to visit you at your

convenience obviously, but then perhaps we should park that discussion

(weather prediction and jyotish as a superscience) so that we all do not

keep spinning our wheels without moving even an inch.

> > > > >

> > > > > You may feel that I am wasting my time in writing these long

missives, but something within tells me that I am not...! It is all

'pensionable' time as far as the Soul is concerned ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes and regards, as always

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , Vinay Jha

<vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Arjun Ji,

> > > > > > I have neither any interest nor any time for raising useless

issues. There are some persons who have no interest in testing my

software (I am not pointing at Krishnan ji) but are very keen on

discussing everything with me under the Sun excepting astrology, which

sometimes leads to useless controversies. I am sure you also have no

interest in verifying my " hoax claims " about weather forecasting. I did

not use any uncivil word against Krishnan ji, but the manner you are

holding me guilty for my crime of complaining against being called a

fraud speaks of your partiality. I am not a professional astrologer and

I do not care for votes. But if you have any respect for truth, ask

Krishnan ji to test my " hoax " claims. I did not use any bad word for

him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings,

> > > > > > -Vinau Jha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ============ ====== ========

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:15:44 PM

> > > > > > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay

Ji?Re: Kundalee

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear vinayji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kindly do not get personal and take names. vattem krishnanji

is a highly learnt professor with rich experience from various premium

government academic institutes across india including IIT, Delhi. he

also learnt astrology from ICAS and hold two degrees there. criticsing

him only makes you less understanding of a person.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you may kindly remember that when adi sankara visited the

holy town kasi and was in debate with mandan mishra, queries after

queries were asked and sankara replied. to the queries of the wife of

mishra, having no answers, sankara learnt them in a hard tantrik way and

then answered those too to her satisfaction.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > please note that when we present something to a forum or a

group, onus would be on us to substantiate and corroborate. if i were

you, i would have been more happier because people are asking queries

about what i researched with lot of time and energy spent and would not

tire in answering till the querent is answered satisfactorily.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this is the spirit we display and expect from others

especially researches like you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Vinay Jha

<vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To All :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had no interest in making any claim at all about weather

forecasting. Rohiniranjan ji said he has seen no proof of Jyotisha being

a super science. In reply, I said I cannot prove it on internet, if he

can allow even half an hour face to face talk, I can show proofs. In

return, I have started receiving same kinds of epithets from Mr Vattem

Krishna which I used to receive from some members of AIA : krishnan ji

says my statements as " hoax calls " , " tall claims " , etc etc. Mr Krishnan

Ji makes his " hats off to the seers who with their wits have studied

nature and defined solar system " , and the topmost seers have verified

my hoax claims to be good and scientific : Click_Here and ClickHere . Mr

Krishnan Ji is making these wild allegations upon me on behalf of the

" fraternity of Astrologers " which has perhaps nominated him to call me a

fraud, but the recognized astrological community of India thinks

otherwise : ClickHere for decision of a recognized

> > > > > > > university after a high court decision to judge my " hoax

claims " , and ClickHere for the list of institutions which do not regard

my claims as hoax. Internet is free for all, and I have even received

obscene abuses from " reputed " astrologers. They have no interest in

examining my claims which they declared to be hoax without testing. But

there are heads of departments of Jyotisha in recognized Sanskrit

university who are using my software to make " hoax " weather forecasts :

Click_Here Mr Krishnan if you can spare some of your PRECIOUS time on

reviewing the method which you so sportively spend on abusing me. I do

not believe he will be able to recall from which ancient text this

method was deduced, which he labels as hoax. But predictions made from

this method have been verified by Climate branch of NASA headquarters,

among other institutions. " Hats off to the seers " of physical science,

and " heads down of those sages and their followers like me "

> > > who

> > > > > > > wrote foolish treatises or worked upon them!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > ============ ==== ============

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 8:32:48 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks-

Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re: Kundalee

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > Study of Atmospheric Sciences is always a matter of

contoroversy whether as a part of science,Engineering and Technology or

as an Art.

> > > > > > > we have modelling systems with +_ 5% variations.These

forecasts that come of conrolled environments of laboratories often seem

to fail for one or other reason.Today the most debated issue is ozone

depletion and green house effect.

> > > > > > > we have regard for Astrology and also follow the principle

with due faith.hats off to the seers who with their wits have studied

nature and defined solar system.we all know panch bhootas are the base

for this universe and there is no denial of this fact even from

sciences.Astrology derives strength from the palnetary moment.we also

feel mystical why often planets expected movement and beahviour often

changes that what they r supposed to do in zig-zzg motions.Also

velocities yet times do change.All these variations give no doubt clues

for forecast of weather basing our thoughts from Astrological

principles.

> > > > > > > yet we can not forget Astrology as a science of indictaive

nature helps common man.The basic dictum however no body else other than

Brahma the super creatot of Universe can only say(with some

suthority)what shall happen definetely.So it is not proper for us to

make claims which are definetely not justified. we may say as a

fraternity of Astrologers we are moving forward to predict weather or

for that matter any affair with near accuaracy with our indepth study of

palnets and their beahviour.But then to say weather forecast or rains

happening with certainity can never be told.if we say so then the

context of Kaliyuga and then result of our actions in the present that

contribute to the future have no meaning at all.we talk of many hazy

things but when it comes to our relevance we only withdraw from the

sceen.

> > > > > > > it is good that some effort has been made to develop

software which can be tried and tested but not making tall claims only

defeats our purpose and objectivity. let us continue to make our own

individual effort to develop the science of prediction but let us not

make hoax calls.Fortunately we are now relieved of the controversies of

1970-80 of ceratin scientists who called Astrology in non sensical

terms.Thanx to our great father of modern Astrologer who defeneded

Jyotish very scrupulously and won accloades to our field of study.Let's

not be therfore be catalysts for unwarranted controversies. we like

Astrology to advance and ready to make efforts to take it very close to

the society in general for it's benifits.

> > > > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Sat, 5/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >

> > > > > > > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks- Suresh/Vinay

Ji?Re: Kundalee

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturday, May 2, 2009, 8:31 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear vinayji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > from your mails, it seems you created a system or a way to

foretell when and where it is going to rain not for today, or tomorrorw

or next week or month or year or decade or century but even billions of

years well in advance.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there is an age old adage that says only god knows when it

rains or when one dies. indian met department daily forecasting or the

cnn weekly weather forecasting all have limited short term predictive

capabilities that too only on rains from clouds. many a time we witness

heavy hailstorms where stonesized hails suddenly come and spoiling the

entire produce of a filed cultivated over a season thereby bringing

sudden losses to the farmers. such things were never or remotely

predicted even by the met department. could you even predict such sudden

loss inflicting hailstorms.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > astrology is not such a great superscience which cannot

predict with foolproof consistency from a horoscope, inter alia, on the

living or dead status of the native or gender of the native.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > since you developed a system using astrology to predict

rains with meticulous accuracy, i do not request any rain prediction for

future but could you kindly predict one cyclone or typhoon or hurricane

which are surely associated with rains that you could foretell. one such

natural calamity prediction in advance would make your rain predictive

system more accepted and also helps save human lives, god willing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > similarly, have you also developed a way to predict a

tentative date when the next possible tsunami happens so that we keep

track of it whether such prediction works even if it happens in a plus

or minus range of say one year, because tsunamis come very very rarely.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > Dear Jha Saheb,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To the best of my knowledge accurate weather patterns

and rain data have been kept track of for maybe a lot less than 200

years. How would one verify beyond that period to establish that

expected/claimed was concordant with the observed?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Vinay Jha

<vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > foolproof rain forecasting billion of years in

advance, which weathermen cannot do even two weeeks in advance ?

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ >

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> > > > > > > > > Saturday, May 2, 2009 11:56:44 PM

> > > > > > > > > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks-

Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re: Kundalee

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> > > > > > > > > No Vinay Jha Ji,

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> > > > > > > > > I did read that and my question still remains

unanswered! If it does not quack, does not waddle and does not have

webbed feet, then it cannot be a duck! ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , Vinay Jha

<vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > RR ji,

> > > > > > > > > > You read my message in a hurry. I said " But I am not

talking of this type of (magical) superscience. I talk of Jyotisha(as

generally known) being a superscience (which cannot be discussed on

internet because it will take half an hour to show you the proofs on a

computer screen, but months for presenting them on the internet). "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -vj

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> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

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> > > > > > > > > > Saturday, May 2, 2009 2:30:29 AM

> > > > > > > > > > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks-

Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re: Kundalee

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> > > > > > > > > > Greetings Vinay Jha ji!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sorry for the delay in responding -- I only noticed

this missive, just now.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I agree with the 'super nonsense' -- over the years

particularly on Internet I have seen a few of those and of course out

there in the " real world " Nonsense is the King (or perhaps the Queen?)!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What you describe, feats such as telling someone

bhagya without horoscope, generating birthdata without being told (Yogi

Karve and his children are said to be doing that consistently and not

just occasionally as you experienced personally) are not unknown and

though intriguing, I would not lump them with astrology. Psychic prowess

and yogic siddhis have been claimed to be used by several astrologers

and more power to them but that is not astrology.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > We should be able to hold them in separate bins and

not make a khichdi of it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And while magical, uncanny these should not be

called super or any science, until such time when their basis and

workings are understood. That said, there seems to be a tendency in

modern people to consider 'science' as the woolmark of purity. Astrology

does not need such crutches that themselves are still evolving. I mean

science, of course!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR

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> > > > > > > > > > , Vinay Jha

<vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > > Special yogas make super science as well as super

nonsense. The super-science portion of Jyotisha cannot be acquired by

means of bookish knowledge, which does not mean Guru is not needed. In

spiritual matters, a guru shows the way and removes initial obstacles,

but does not teach bookish knowledge.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I can show show you concrete evidence of astrology

being a super science. But it is not possible on internet. the last

verse of Suryasiddhanta is : it is " rahasyam brahma sammitam " . I am not

omniscient. There are many facets of astrology in which you must have

more knowledge than me, but I also possess something, and that something

will invite more abusive attacks if I display them to the undeserving

lot.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I can show you proofs of superscience, but I have

no such special yoga in my own horoscope (although there are occasions

when God uses me as a medium, when I tell exact birthdate of a person

without looking at the horoscope, but I cannot do it always, nor do I

know how it is done. Perhaps the person in distress deserved such help

and God wanted to help). I know persons who have such yogas, they never

touched any book of astrology as far as I know, but computed my age just

by seeing my face, and the result was exactly same as computed on the

basis of Parashara and Jaimini. But I am not talking of this type of

superscience. I talk of Jyotisha being a superscience. For it, I need a

face to face talk, with my laptop there. If you come to India in future,

may I try to show you such evidence ? For instance, foolproof rain

forecasting billion of years in advance, which weathermen cannot do even

two weeeks in advance ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

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> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:42:32 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > Tks Rohini Ji...ts Plz Mr.JhaTks-

Suresh/Vinay Ji?Re: Kundalee

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Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha is indeed a super science and special

yogas make some persons better jyotishis. But these things cannot be

taught. Hence it is advisable for us all to adopt a scientific approach

as as far as possible.

> > > > > > > > > > > > -vj

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> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Jha Ji,

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> > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry but I do not see the connection

between:

> > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish ... is a super science...>

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > <special yogas make some better jyotishis>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Special yogas make one a better poet, a better

priest, a better teacher, a better writer, a better singer, a better

crook or con-man, but neither of these, hopefully, particularly the last

pursuits di bit make those super-sciences even though special yogas make

one one of those!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You also said that these things [=super-science/

jyotish] cannot be taught! Most individuals who may have intense

devotion and dedication for jyotish but were devoid of the ?advantage?

of GPS (Guru, Parampara, Shradhdhaa=devotion alone) will sigh a sigh of

relief that their life and pursuit was not a waste of a lifetime ;-)).

Because if these things cannot be taught then all this NOISE and

NAGAADAA Vadan of having a Guru and the rest of the nine yards as many

make on the internet is perhaps overrated and overplayed!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Being a cautious and older person, I would avoid

making such one size fits all statements, as the hindustani term goes,

" ...Gaahay begaahay! " . I realize that Jyotish fora have only a minority

that speak and understand Hindi or other northern languages, so I

suppose the nearest English phrase for Gaahay Begaahay would be

'Willy-nilly! '

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I had a chance to observe children in day-care

settings, so we are talking really young and learning children. Some

seemed to come almost hard-wired for a highly sophisticated level of

motor control, others were obviously gifted at learning, some were

sickly, others could roll in dirt day in and day out and never had a

sick day off.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As I moved from observing infants to toddlers to

children, to young adults to mature adults to older people and even

those at the extremes of their age in hospices and senior care centres,

what I learned was that that 'variability' is inherent in the HUMAN

cohort (and perhaps others animals too), not only in their physical,

motor, locomotor, mental, learning and other capabilities but actually

is the very reason which makes them not necessary to be fitted into

pigeon holes with prescriptions such as some make.

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> > > > > > > > > > > I have seen absolutely NO EVIDENCE that astrology

is a super science! I await evidence -- since we are talking SCIENCE!

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