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Dear Vinay Ji,

 

This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari!

 

The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

 

Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

 

Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned

Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

 

The interesting observation is:

 

Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has

always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

 

Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

 

Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

 

I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older

times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short

time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and

sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

 

Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one

wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

 

I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that

goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Prashant Ji,

>

> By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari

texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors,

who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system

has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come

under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini

are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is

our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's

system to greater or lesser extent.

>

> We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views

interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have

smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

>

> I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large

number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore,

we have to rely on our critical faculties.

>

> The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot

point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is

that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do

not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

>

> As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> aspects. Shodashvarga-Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> critically.Shodashvarga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations

which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas.

>

> -VJ

>

> ================== ======

>

>

> ________________________________

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

>

> Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> Parasara-BPHS 7/5

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear vinay ji

>

> which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation

and differences in them- I mean older ones only

>

> the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from

Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

>

> the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts

based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model

used now

>

> he has a great library and quote from any work at will

>

> in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and

occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the

profesion literally

>

> say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a

trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

>

> Prashant

>

> * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

>

>

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Dear RRji

 

a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked

him also.

 

Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya,

Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more,

 

he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language

 

and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru

 

a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment,

father, dharma etc.

 

say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one

just behind it is amatya karaka

 

many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini.

 

ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO

SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS

 

as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never

find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...!

so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or

godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc...

 

one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western

astrologers predict only fatelistacally.

instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good

and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible.

 

Best wishes

 

Prashant

 

 

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

 

Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

Two cents -- if I may ...?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vinay Ji,

 

This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari!

 

The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

 

Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

 

Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned

Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

 

The interesting observation is:

 

Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has

always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

 

Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

 

Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

 

I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older

times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short

time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and

sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

 

Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one

wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

 

I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that

goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> Prashant Ji,

>

> By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari

texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors,

who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system

has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come

under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini

are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is

our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's

system to greater or lesser extent.

>

> We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views

interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have

smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

>

> I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large

number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore,

we have to rely on our critical faculties.

>

> The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot

point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is

that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do

not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

>

> As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations

which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ====== ======

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

>

> Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> Parasara-BPHS 7/5

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear vinay ji

>

> which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation

and differences in them- I mean older ones only

>

> the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from

Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

>

> the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts

based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model

used now

>

> he has a great library and quote from any work at will

>

> in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and

occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the

profesion literally

>

> say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a

trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

>

> Prashant

>

> * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

>

>

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Dear Friends,

It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has

reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology

one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or

less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up

something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that

matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings

one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and

accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27

malkhtras and 7/9 planets.

As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and

unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge

it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and

pronounce with precision the implication.Softwares are products of  humanwit and

meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation

accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring

recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain

boundaries/paramaters,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries.

Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining and

continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of thought

only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours.

So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these

Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse

how the happenings took place in the past.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

 

Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear RRji

 

a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked

him also.

 

Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya,

Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more,

 

he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language

 

and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru

 

a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment,

father, dharma etc.

 

say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one

just behind it is amatya karaka

 

many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini.

 

ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO

SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS

 

as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never

find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...!

so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or

godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc...

 

one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western

astrologers predict only fatelistacally.

instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good

and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible.

 

Best wishes

 

Prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

 

Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

Two cents -- if I may ...?

 

Dear Vinay Ji,

 

This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari!

 

The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

 

Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

 

Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned

Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

 

The interesting observation is:

 

Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has

always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

 

Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

 

Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

 

I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older

times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short

time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and

sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

 

Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one

wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

 

I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that

goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> Prashant Ji,

>

> By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari

texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors,

who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system

has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come

under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are

extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our

sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system

to greater or lesser extent.

>

> We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views

interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have

smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

>

> I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large

number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore,

we have to rely on our critical faculties.

>

> The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot

point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is

that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do

not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

>

> As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations

which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ====== ======

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

>

> Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> Parasara-BPHS 7/5

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear vinay ji

>

> which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation

and differences in them- I mean older ones only

>

> the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from

Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

>

> the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts

based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model

used now

>

> he has a great library and quote from any work at will

>

> in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and

occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the

profesion literally

>

> say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a

trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

>

> Prashant

>

> * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

>

>

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Dear Dada,

 

Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at

first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or

seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it.

 

 

Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS!

 

I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise

too?

 

Those who know more about that, please educate us...

 

Thanks

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has

reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology

one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or

less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up

something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that

matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings

one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and

accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27

malkhtras and 7/9 planets.

> As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and

unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge

it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and

pronounce with precision the implication.Softwares are products of  humanwit and

meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation

accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring

recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain

boundaries/paramaters,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries.

> Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining

and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of

thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours.

> So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these

Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse

how the happenings took place in the past.

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

> Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

> Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

>

>

Dear RRji

>

> a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had

asked him also.

>

> Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya,

Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more,

>

> he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language

>

> and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru

>

> a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with

establishment, father, dharma etc.

>

> say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one

just behind it is amatya karaka

>

> many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini.

>

> ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO

SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS

>

> as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will

never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...!

> so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or

godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc...

>

> one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western

astrologers predict only fatelistacally.

> instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good

and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Prashant

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

>

> Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

> Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

> Dear Vinay Ji,

>

> This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not

Parashari!

>

> The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

>

> Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

>

> Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned

Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

>

> The interesting observation is:

>

> Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has

always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

>

> Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

>

> Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

>

> I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from

older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short

time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and

sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

>

> Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one

wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

>

> I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that

goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Ji,

> >

> > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari

texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors,

who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system

has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come

under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are

extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our

sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system

to greater or lesser extent.

> >

> > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views

interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have

smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

> >

> > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large

number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore,

we have to rely on our critical faculties.

> >

> > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a

moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience

is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas

do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

> >

> > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of

combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular

vargas.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ============ ====== ======

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> >

> > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> > Parasara-BPHS 7/5

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear vinay ji

> >

> > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation

and differences in them- I mean older ones only

> >

> > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from

Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

> >

> > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts

based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model

used now

> >

> > he has a great library and quote from any work at will

> >

> > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart

and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the

profesion literally

> >

> > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a

trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

> >

> >

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Dear RRji

 

this is true of all that comes from the mind and that involves MINDS, MINDSETS

isnt it, change is inevitable but change is always resisted and pushes its way

thru LIKE AGE.

RELIGIOUS, LITERARY, PHILOSOPHY, law , management , marketing...whatever be the

filed it has changed has come about with RESSISTANCE.

 

else people like Sir Adi Shankaracharya, swami vivekananda, ramanajucharya,

Socretus, aristotle etc wud not be who they r, all faced innumerable walls ahead

of them

 

Prashant

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

 

Friday, May 8, 2009 10:44:03 AM

Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dada,

 

Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at

first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or

seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it.

 

Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS!

 

I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise

too?

 

Those who know more about that, please educate us...

 

Thanks

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has

reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology

one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or

less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up

something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that

matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings

one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and

accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27

malkhtras and 7/9 planets.

> As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and

unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge

it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and

pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit

and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation

accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring

recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate

rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries.

> Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining

and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of

thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours.

> So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these

Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse

how the happenings took place in the past.

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote:

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

> Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

> Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

>

>

Dear RRji

>

> a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had

asked him also.

>

> Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya,

Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more,

>

> he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language

>

> and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru

>

> a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with

establishment, father, dharma etc.

>

> say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one

just behind it is amatya karaka

>

> many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini.

>

> ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO

SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS

>

> as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will

never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...!

> so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or

godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc...

>

> one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western

astrologers predict only fatelistacally.

> instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good

and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Prashant

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

>

> Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

> Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

> Dear Vinay Ji,

>

> This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not

Parashari!

>

> The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

>

> Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

>

> Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned

Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

>

> The interesting observation is:

>

> Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has

always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

>

> Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

>

> Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

>

> I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from

older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short

time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and

sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

>

> Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one

wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

>

> I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that

goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Ji,

> >

> > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari

texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors,

who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system

has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come

under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are

extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our

sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system

to greater or lesser extent.

> >

> > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views

interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have

smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

> >

> > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large

number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore,

we have to rely on our critical faculties.

> >

> > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a

moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience

is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas

do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

> >

> > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of

combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular

vargas.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ============ ====== ======

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> >

> > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> > Parasara-BPHS 7/5

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear vinay ji

> >

> > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation

and differences in them- I mean older ones only

> >

> > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from

Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

> >

> > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts

based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model

used now

> >

> > he has a great library and quote from any work at will

> >

> > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart

and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the

profesion literally

> >

> > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a

trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

> >

> >

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Dear Kumar ji,

 

Mind is all we mortals have (NOT bodies! Those we leave behind when we leave

this loka!). Manas is the interface between the Central Processing Unit (Soul?)

and the rest of reality, such as the keyboard, the mouse, the monitor, the

external hard drive, memory stick, the DVD writer and more?

 

Hence MOON has been placed in a position of prominence and that Jyotish

recommends as the default position when that is all we have to go by! Even by

ancients who presumably did not have computers or silicon realities!

Interesting, is it not?

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> Dear RRji

>

> this is true of all that comes from the mind and that involves MINDS, MINDSETS

isnt it, change is inevitable but change is always resisted and pushes its way

thru LIKE AGE.

> RELIGIOUS, LITERARY, PHILOSOPHY, law , management , marketing...whatever be

the filed it has changed has come about with RESSISTANCE.

>

> else people like Sir Adi Shankaracharya, swami vivekananda, ramanajucharya,

Socretus, aristotle etc wud not be who they r, all faced innumerable walls ahead

of them

>

> Prashant

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

>

> Friday, May 8, 2009 10:44:03 AM

> Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Dada,

>

> Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at

first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or

seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it.

>

> Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS!

>

> I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise

too?

>

> Those who know more about that, please educate us...

>

> Thanks

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has

reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology

one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or

less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up

something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that

matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings

one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and

accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27

malkhtras and 7/9 planets.

> > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness

and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this

satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and

pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit

and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation

accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring

recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate

rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries.

> > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining

and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of

thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours.

> > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on

these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and

anlyse how the happenings took place in the past.

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

> >

> > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear RRji

> >

> > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had

asked him also.

> >

> > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la

Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more,

> >

> > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language

> >

> > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru

> >

> > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with

establishment, father, dharma etc.

> >

> > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one

just behind it is amatya karaka

> >

> > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini.

> >

> > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE

TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS

> >

> > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will

never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...!

> > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers

or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc...

> >

> > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western

astrologers predict only fatelistacally.

> > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in

good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible.

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

> >

> > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

> > Two cents -- if I may ...?

> >

> > Dear Vinay Ji,

> >

> > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not

Parashari!

> >

> > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

> >

> > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

> >

> > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned

Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

> >

> > The interesting observation is:

> >

> > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!)

has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

> >

> > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

> >

> > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

> >

> > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from

older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short

time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and

sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

> >

> > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one

wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

> >

> > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that

goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Prashant Ji,

> > >

> > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu

Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval

authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's

phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important

differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two

chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among

rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have

followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent.

> > >

> > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views

interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have

smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

> > >

> > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large

number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore,

we have to rely on our critical faculties.

> > >

> > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a

moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience

is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas

do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

> > >

> > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of

combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular

vargas.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > >

> > > ============ ====== ======

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > >

> > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear vinay ji

> > >

> > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in

circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only

> > >

> > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from

Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

> > >

> > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts

based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model

used now

> > >

> > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will

> > >

> > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart

and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the

profesion literally

> > >

> > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a

trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

> > >

> > >

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Dear Dada,

Single minded devotion in the process of evolution of sciences seems to have

it's own sharpness as it is the way through which one can achieve objectives.I

agree that Astrology is no exception.what makes however science very sound is

basic principles.once you freeze these hard lines,any thing can be explained and

deduced.Sciences have some some more flexibilty in built with two way process.it

is ofcourse a mute how scientists share their views and are prepared during

development process.

One thing which always amuses in our subject whether it is theory that dominates

or unaccounted and untold stories of destinies that fade as no body to rescue

their fate.Also availibility for the needy some explanation and some logic of

Astrologers whether practising or not would be a great succour.we have ofcourse

intriguing concept of remedies that are handed over from generation is through

appeasement of Gods,goddesses and the related heavenly bodies.

Also the concept of VIDHI is made very threatening in the life of homos to make

him bowdown to the nature.

while working on psychology,some explorers of minds thought that all humans are

scientist in their own way in making from the time of birth.But we on the other

side of globe,talk of contnuity of our actions and the results that come out

either promote us or demote us in our explorations.Looks a vicious cycles that

makes us not to prepare further for any challeneges to decode destinies

vrkrishnan

P.S:After addressing the mail I found how rahu in Libra is leading the mind

after 2nd day of full moon on 8th may 

 

--- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

 

Friday, May 8, 2009, 1:14 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dada,

 

Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at

first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or

seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it.

 

Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS!

 

I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise

too?

 

Those who know more about that, please educate us...

 

Thanks

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has

reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology

one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or

less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up

something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that

matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings

one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and

accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27

malkhtras and 7/9 planets.

> As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and

unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge

it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and

pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of  humanwit

and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation

accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring

recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate

rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries.

> Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining

and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of

thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours.

> So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these

Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse

how the happenings took place in the past.

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote:

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

> Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

> Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

>

>

Dear RRji

>

> a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had

asked him also.

>

> Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya,

Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more,

>

> he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language

>

> and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru

>

> a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with

establishment, father, dharma etc.

>

> say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one

just behind it is amatya karaka

>

> many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini.

>

> ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO

SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS

>

> as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will

never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...!

> so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or

godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc...

>

> one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western

astrologers predict only fatelistacally.

> instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good

and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Prashant

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

>

> Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

> Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

> Dear Vinay Ji,

>

> This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not

Parashari!

>

> The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

>

> Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

>

> Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned

Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

>

> The interesting observation is:

>

> Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has

always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

>

> Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

>

> Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

>

> I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from

older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short

time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and

sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

>

> Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one

wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

>

> I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that

goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Ji,

> >

> > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari

texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors,

who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system

has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come

under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are

extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our

sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system

to greater or lesser extent.

> >

> > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views

interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have

smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

> >

> > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large

number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore,

we have to rely on our critical faculties.

> >

> > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a

moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience

is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas

do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

> >

> > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of

combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular

vargas.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ============ ====== ======

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> >

> > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> > Parasara-BPHS 7/5

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear vinay ji

> >

> > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation

and differences in them- I mean older ones only

> >

> > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from

Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

> >

> > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts

based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model

used now

> >

> > he has a great library and quote from any work at will

> >

> > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart

and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the

profesion literally

> >

> > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a

trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

> >

> >

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Dear Friends,

From waxing to waning forms of MOON is the mystery behind prominence.CPU/manas

goes for acceptance of malware and distrubs configurations that lands Bipeds in

state of myth.what he tries to connect to reality and what the stimulations he

finds makes the normal being unsound

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

 

Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Kumar ji,

 

Mind is all we mortals have (NOT bodies! Those we leave behind when we leave

this loka!). Manas is the interface between the Central Processing Unit (Soul?)

and the rest of reality, such as the keyboard, the mouse, the monitor, the

external hard drive, memory stick, the DVD writer and more?

 

Hence MOON has been placed in a position of prominence and that Jyotish

recommends as the default position when that is all we have to go by! Even by

ancients who presumably did not have computers or silicon realities!

Interesting, is it not?

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear RRji

>

> this is true of all that comes from the mind and that involves MINDS, MINDSETS

isnt it, change is inevitable but change is always resisted and pushes its way

thru LIKE AGE.

> RELIGIOUS, LITERARY, PHILOSOPHY, law , management , marketing... whatever be

the filed it has changed has come about with RESSISTANCE.

>

> else people like Sir Adi Shankaracharya, swami vivekananda, ramanajucharya,

Socretus, aristotle etc wud not be who they r, all faced innumerable walls ahead

of them

>

> Prashant

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

>

> Friday, May 8, 2009 10:44:03 AM

> Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Dada,

>

> Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at

first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or

seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it.

>

> Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS!

>

> I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise

too?

>

> Those who know more about that, please educate us...

>

> Thanks

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has

reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology

one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or

less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up

something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that

matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings

one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and

accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27

malkhtras and 7/9 planets.

> > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness

and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this

satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and

pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit and

meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation

accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring

recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate

rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries.

> > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining

and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of

thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours.

> > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on

these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and

anlyse how the happenings took place in the past.

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

> >

> > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear RRji

> >

> > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had

asked him also.

> >

> > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la

Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more,

> >

> > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language

> >

> > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru

> >

> > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with

establishment, father, dharma etc.

> >

> > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one

just behind it is amatya karaka

> >

> > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini.

> >

> > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE

TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS

> >

> > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will

never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...!

> > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers

or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc...

> >

> > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western

astrologers predict only fatelistacally.

> > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in

good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible.

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

> >

> > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

> > Two cents -- if I may ...?

> >

> > Dear Vinay Ji,

> >

> > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not

Parashari!

> >

> > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

> >

> > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

> >

> > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned

Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

> >

> > The interesting observation is:

> >

> > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!)

has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

> >

> > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

> >

> > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

> >

> > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from

older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short

time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and

sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

> >

> > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one

wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

> >

> > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that

goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Prashant Ji,

> > >

> > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu

Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval

authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's

phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important

differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two

chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among

rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have

followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent.

> > >

> > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views

interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have

smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

> > >

> > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large

number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore,

we have to rely on our critical faculties.

> > >

> > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a

moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience

is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas

do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

> > >

> > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of

combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular

vargas.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > >

> > > ============ ====== ======

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > >

> > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear vinay ji

> > >

> > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in

circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only

> > >

> > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from

Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

> > >

> > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts

based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model

used now

> > >

> > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will

> > >

> > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart

and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the

profesion literally

> > >

> > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a

trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

> > >

> > >

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If I may so impose, on the wise ones!

 

When one is on a dedicated and committed travel plan which is NON-REFUNDABLE and

alreay paid for (Karma-Currency!) one has really two options!

 

Gripe and complain about the journey because it was not perfect...

 

or REALLY GET and ENJOY what YOU paid for!

 

I choose the latter because there are hidden gifts that they did not tell you

about when you bought the ticket! Your GIFTS may be different so I will not bias

you!

 

Please read the message on the other forum that you are d on at my

behest and request! It would make more direct sense!

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Dada,

> Single minded devotion in the process of evolution of sciences seems to have

it's own sharpness as it is the way through which one can achieve objectives.I

agree that Astrology is no exception.what makes however science very sound is

basic principles.once you freeze these hard lines,any thing can be explained and

deduced.Sciences have some some more flexibilty in built with two way process.it

is ofcourse a mute how scientists share their views and are prepared during

development process.

> One thing which always amuses in our subject whether it is theory that

dominates or unaccounted and untold stories of destinies that fade as no body to

rescue their fate.Also availibility for the needy some explanation and some

logic of Astrologers whether practising or not would be a great succour.we have

ofcourse intriguing concept of remedies that are handed over from generation is

through appeasement of Gods,goddesses and the related heavenly bodies.

> Also the concept of VIDHI is made very threatening in the life of homos to

make him bowdown to the nature.

> while working on psychology,some explorers of minds thought that all humans

are scientist in their own way in making from the time of birth.But we on the

other side of globe,talk of contnuity of our actions and the results that come

out either promote us or demote us in our explorations.Looks a vicious cycles

that makes us not to prepare further for any challeneges to decode destinies

> vrkrishnan

> P.S:After addressing the mail I found how rahu in Libra is leading the mind

after 2nd day of full moon on 8th may 

>

> --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

> Friday, May 8, 2009, 1:14 AM

>

>

Dear Dada,

>

> Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at

first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or

seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it.

>

> Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS!

>

> I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise

too?

>

> Those who know more about that, please educate us...

>

> Thanks

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has

reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology

one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or

less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up

something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that

matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings

one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and

accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27

malkhtras and 7/9 planets.

> > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness

and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this

satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and

pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of  humanwit

and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation

accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring

recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate

rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries.

> > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining

and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of

thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours.

> > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on

these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and

anlyse how the happenings took place in the past.

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

> >

> > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear RRji

> >

> > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had

asked him also.

> >

> > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la

Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more,

> >

> > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language

> >

> > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru

> >

> > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with

establishment, father, dharma etc.

> >

> > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one

just behind it is amatya karaka

> >

> > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini.

> >

> > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE

TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS

> >

> > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will

never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...!

> > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers

or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc...

> >

> > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western

astrologers predict only fatelistacally.

> > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in

good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible.

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

> >

> > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

> > Two cents -- if I may ...?

> >

> > Dear Vinay Ji,

> >

> > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not

Parashari!

> >

> > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

> >

> > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

> >

> > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned

Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

> >

> > The interesting observation is:

> >

> > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!)

has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

> >

> > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

> >

> > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

> >

> > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from

older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short

time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and

sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

> >

> > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one

wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

> >

> > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that

goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Prashant Ji,

> > >

> > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu

Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval

authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's

phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important

differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two

chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among

rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have

followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent.

> > >

> > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views

interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have

smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

> > >

> > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large

number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore,

we have to rely on our critical faculties.

> > >

> > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a

moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience

is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas

do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

> > >

> > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of

combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular

vargas.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > >

> > > ============ ====== ======

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > >

> > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear vinay ji

> > >

> > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in

circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only

> > >

> > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from

Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

> > >

> > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts

based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model

used now

> > >

> > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will

> > >

> > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart

and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the

profesion literally

> > >

> > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a

trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

> > >

> > >

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Dear Krishnan dada (Mota-bhai?) --

 

As I have tried to express my feeble ant-chirpings on EST for some months now --

the phases of moon are indeed important. You must read the latest one on Obama

in the May 2009 offering! Even if I say so myself!!

 

Chotabhai!

 

 

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> From waxing to waning forms of MOON is the mystery behind prominence.CPU/manas

goes for acceptance of malware and distrubs configurations that lands Bipeds in

state of myth.what he tries to connect to reality and what the stimulations he

finds makes the normal being unsound

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

> Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:53 PM

>

>

Dear Kumar ji,

>

> Mind is all we mortals have (NOT bodies! Those we leave behind when we leave

this loka!). Manas is the interface between the Central Processing Unit (Soul?)

and the rest of reality, such as the keyboard, the mouse, the monitor, the

external hard drive, memory stick, the DVD writer and more?

>

> Hence MOON has been placed in a position of prominence and that Jyotish

recommends as the default position when that is all we have to go by! Even by

ancients who presumably did not have computers or silicon realities!

Interesting, is it not?

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear RRji

> >

> > this is true of all that comes from the mind and that involves MINDS,

MINDSETS isnt it, change is inevitable but change is always resisted and pushes

its way thru LIKE AGE.

> > RELIGIOUS, LITERARY, PHILOSOPHY, law , management , marketing... whatever be

the filed it has changed has come about with RESSISTANCE.

> >

> > else people like Sir Adi Shankaracharya, swami vivekananda, ramanajucharya,

Socretus, aristotle etc wud not be who they r, all faced innumerable walls ahead

of them

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> >

> > Friday, May 8, 2009 10:44:03 AM

> > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Dada,

> >

> > Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at

first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or

seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it.

> >

> > Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS!

> >

> > I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise

too?

> >

> > Those who know more about that, please educate us...

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has

reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology

one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or

less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up

something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that

matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings

one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and

accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27

malkhtras and 7/9 planets.

> > > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness

and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this

satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and

pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit and

meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation

accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring

recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate

rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries.

> > > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are

mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of

thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours.

> > > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on

these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and

anlyse how the happenings took place in the past.

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

> > >

> > > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear RRji

> > >

> > > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had

asked him also.

> > >

> > > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la

Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more,

> > >

> > > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex

language

> > >

> > > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru

> > >

> > > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with

establishment, father, dharma etc.

> > >

> > > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or

one just behind it is amatya karaka

> > >

> > > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini.

> > >

> > > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE

TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS

> > >

> > > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will

never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...!

> > > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers

or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc...

> > >

> > > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western

astrologers predict only fatelistacally.

> > > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in

good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible.

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

> > >

> > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

> > > Two cents -- if I may ...?

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay Ji,

> > >

> > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not

Parashari!

> > >

> > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

> > >

> > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

> > >

> > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he

mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

> > >

> > > The interesting observation is:

> > >

> > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!)

has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

> > >

> > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

> > >

> > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

> > >

> > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from

older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short

time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and

sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

> > >

> > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one

wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

> > >

> > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something

that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Prashant Ji,

> > > >

> > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu

Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval

authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's

phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important

differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two

chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among

rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have

followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent.

> > > >

> > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong

views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them

have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

> > > >

> > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a

large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages.

Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties.

> > > >

> > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a

moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience

is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas

do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

> > > >

> > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> > > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> > > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> > > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of

combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular

vargas.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > >

> > > > ============ ====== ======

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> > > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear vinay ji

> > > >

> > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in

circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only

> > > >

> > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more

from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

> > > >

> > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent

forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied

calculations model used now

> > > >

> > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will

> > > >

> > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10

chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes

the profesion literally

> > > >

> > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a

trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Dada,

My penchant for my Dada lies in his art of chasing the celestial bodies and

revealing their mysteries.Iam eagerly waiting forEST for the month of May to hit

the stands.being an uncharecteresticsubsciber for EST last 5 years with frequent

changes in mailing addresses,I became sore to the publishers.iam certain to

steal a copy . with uncanny style of Dada's, he will be no doubt a profound

and  prolific writer in Astrology

with regards

vrkrishnan

P.S:Mera motape lies in my sagging epidermis and so is inescapable

 

--- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

 

Friday, May 8, 2009, 10:54 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishnan dada (Mota-bhai?) --

 

As I have tried to express my feeble ant-chirpings on EST for some months now --

the phases of moon are indeed important. You must read the latest one on Obama

in the May 2009 offering! Even if I say so myself!!

 

Chotabhai!

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> From waxing to waning forms of MOON is the mystery behind prominence.CPU/

manas goes for acceptance of malware and distrubs configurations that lands

Bipeds in state of myth.what he tries to connect to reality and what the

stimulations he finds makes the normal being unsound

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

> Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:53 PM

>

>

Dear Kumar ji,

>

> Mind is all we mortals have (NOT bodies! Those we leave behind when we leave

this loka!). Manas is the interface between the Central Processing Unit (Soul?)

and the rest of reality, such as the keyboard, the mouse, the monitor, the

external hard drive, memory stick, the DVD writer and more?

>

> Hence MOON has been placed in a position of prominence and that Jyotish

recommends as the default position when that is all we have to go by! Even by

ancients who presumably did not have computers or silicon realities!

Interesting, is it not?

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear RRji

> >

> > this is true of all that comes from the mind and that involves MINDS,

MINDSETS isnt it, change is inevitable but change is always resisted and pushes

its way thru LIKE AGE.

> > RELIGIOUS, LITERARY, PHILOSOPHY, law , management , marketing... whatever be

the filed it has changed has come about with RESSISTANCE.

> >

> > else people like Sir Adi Shankaracharya, swami vivekananda, ramanajucharya,

Socretus, aristotle etc wud not be who they r, all faced innumerable walls ahead

of them

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> >

> > Friday, May 8, 2009 10:44:03 AM

> > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Dada,

> >

> > Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at

first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or

seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it.

> >

> > Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS!

> >

> > I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise

too?

> >

> > Those who know more about that, please educate us...

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has

reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology

one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or

less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up

something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that

matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings

one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and

accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27

malkhtras and 7/9 planets.

> > > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness

and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this

satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and

pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit and

meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation

accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring

recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate

rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries.

> > > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are

mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of

thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours.

> > > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on

these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and

anlyse how the happenings took place in the past.

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

> > >

> > > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear RRji

> > >

> > > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had

asked him also.

> > >

> > > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la

Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more,

> > >

> > > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex

language

> > >

> > > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru

> > >

> > > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with

establishment, father, dharma etc.

> > >

> > > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or

one just behind it is amatya karaka

> > >

> > > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini.

> > >

> > > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE

TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS

> > >

> > > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will

never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...!

> > > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers

or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc...

> > >

> > > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western

astrologers predict only fatelistacally.

> > > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in

good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible.

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

> > >

> > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

> > > Two cents -- if I may ...?

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay Ji,

> > >

> > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not

Parashari!

> > >

> > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

> > >

> > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

> > >

> > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he

mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

> > >

> > > The interesting observation is:

> > >

> > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!)

has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

> > >

> > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

> > >

> > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

> > >

> > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from

older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short

time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and

sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

> > >

> > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one

wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

> > >

> > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something

that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Prashant Ji,

> > > >

> > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu

Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval

authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's

phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important

differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two

chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among

rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have

followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent.

> > > >

> > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong

views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them

have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

> > > >

> > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a

large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages.

Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties.

> > > >

> > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a

moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience

is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas

do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

> > > >

> > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> > > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> > > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> > > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of

combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular

vargas.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > >

> > > > ============ ====== ======

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> > > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear vinay ji

> > > >

> > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in

circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only

> > > >

> > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more

from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

> > > >

> > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent

forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied

calculations model used now

> > > >

> > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will

> > > >

> > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10

chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes

the profesion literally

> > > >

> > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a

trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

> > > >

> > > >

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RR Ji,

 

Your points are good, excepting one " your Chowkhamba edition " . Chowkhamba

edition is not mine. I know that this Chowkhamba edition was based on MANY

manuscripts. I also know that Sanathana edition is based on a modern redaction

of the whole BPHS by a modrn pandit.

 

It is my firm belief that all extant versions of BPHS contain interpolations,

but is is easy to recognize the original, which is systematic and lucid, in most

parts. None of ancient or mediaevalastrologers, as far as I know, was against

either Parashara or Jaimini. There is nothing to suggest that Parashara and

Jaimini followed contradictory systems. Jaimini's work is only partially

preserved, only two chapters have survived. Hence, I believe all these can be

taken to be part of a single system which we may call Parashari or vedic phalita

(Parashari because it is the most comprehensive extant system). Other important

systems, none of which being linked to any rishi, may be regarded as different

or sometimes even antagonistic to this dominant system of Indian astrology.

 

-Vinay Jha.

 

=============== ================

 

 

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

 

Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

Two cents -- if I may ...?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vinay Ji,

 

This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari!

 

The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

 

Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

 

Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned

Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

 

The interesting observation is:

 

Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has

always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

 

Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

 

Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

 

I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older

times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short

time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and

sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

 

Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one

wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

 

I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that

goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> Prashant Ji,

>

> By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari

texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors,

who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system

has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come

under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini

are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is

our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's

system to greater or lesser extent.

>

> We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views

interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have

smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

>

> I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large

number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore,

we have to rely on our critical faculties.

>

> The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot

point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is

that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do

not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

>

> As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations

which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ====== ======

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

>

> Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> Parasara-BPHS 7/5

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear vinay ji

>

> which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation

and differences in them- I mean older ones only

>

> the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from

Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

>

> the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts

based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model

used now

>

> he has a great library and quote from any work at will

>

> in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and

occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the

profesion literally

>

> say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a

trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

>

> Prashant

>

> * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

>

>

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To All,

 

Krishnan Ji has made valid assertions that ecclecticism must be avoided in

astrology. I said that Parashara's and Jaimini's approach to death followed same

plan, and hence it can be used for testing deaths of well known persons. I am

not saying that Parashara and Jaimini followed same system everywhere, because

it is not possible to reconstruct the whole system of Jaimini due to the fact

that onlt two chapters of his work are extant. My stress is on Parashara's

system, because it is the single most comprehensive system initiated by a rishi.

What is ecclectic in this approach ? All those ancient and modern authors are to

be included in Parashari system who followed Parashara's system. It is not

ecclecticism. Moreover, we cannot work on all aspects without such an approach.

For instance, BPHS does not make predictive statements about divisionals, and if

some mediaeval work helps us in this respect, and if that work does not

contradict Parashara antwhere,

such mediaeval and ancient works must be valued more than those modern works

which are calling for revisions in traditional phalita. The original plan of

Parashara must be the base of Vedic phalita, and all ancient and later works

following the system of Parashara are part of this system. It is not

eccelcticism. Eccecticism is mixure of disparate systems, which I protest.

 

I do not know what is the aim of Krishnan Ji in making this statement :

" Softwares are products of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by

developers.For their appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial

projection that can bring recognition to software. " Neither I nor PVR sell

softwares. Hence, it is too much to smell something " commercial " in my call

for testing of software. I never earned a paisa out of astrology. Moreover, none

of the mathematical or predictive theory behind is product of human " wits " of

developers of softwares, these developers work with existing theories and data.

I did not hope that my call for testing of ASTROLOGICAL will be answered by a

charge of commercialism. It is second astrologer who is making such a charge,

this time in civil terms, previous charge was mixed with obsecen abuses. Why

these astrologers are so hostile to testing Suryasiddhanta ?

 

-Vinay Jha

 

=============== ===============

 

 

________________________________

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

 

Friday, May 8, 2009 9:41:45 AM

Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has

reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology

one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or

less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up

something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that

matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings

one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and

accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27

malkhtras and 7/9 planets.

As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and

unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge

it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and

pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit

and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation

accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring

recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate

rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries.

Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining and

continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of thought

only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours.

So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these

Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse

how the happenings took place in the past.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote:

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

 

Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

 

Dear RRji

 

a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked

him also.

 

Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya,

Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more,

 

he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language

 

and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru

 

a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment,

father, dharma etc.

 

say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one

just behind it is amatya karaka

 

many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini.

 

ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO

SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS

 

as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never

find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...!

so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or

godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc...

 

one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western

astrologers predict only fatelistacally.

instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good

and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible.

 

Best wishes

 

Prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

 

Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

Two cents -- if I may ...?

 

Dear Vinay Ji,

 

This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari!

 

The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

 

Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

 

Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned

Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

 

The interesting observation is:

 

Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has

always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

 

Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

 

Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

 

I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older

times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short

time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and

sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

 

Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one

wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

 

I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that

goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> Prashant Ji,

>

> By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari

texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors,

who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system

has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come

under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are

extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our

sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system

to greater or lesser extent.

>

> We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views

interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have

smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

>

> I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large

number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore,

we have to rely on our critical faculties.

>

> The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot

point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is

that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do

not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

>

> As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations

which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ====== ======

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

>

> Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> Parasara-BPHS 7/5

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear vinay ji

>

> which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation

and differences in them- I mean older ones only

>

> the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from

Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

>

> the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts

based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model

used now

>

> he has a great library and quote from any work at will

>

> in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and

occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the

profesion literally

>

> say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a

trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

>

> Prashant

>

> * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

>

>

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Prashant Ji,

 

I liked this English, although it also contained " wud not be who they r " .

Sometimes I find it difficult to get your meanings, because I always avoided

colloquialism.

 

-VJ

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

 

Friday, May 8, 2009 11:29:57 AM

Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear RRji

 

this is true of all that comes from the mind and that involves MINDS, MINDSETS

isnt it, change is inevitable but change is always resisted and pushes its way

thru LIKE AGE.

RELIGIOUS, LITERARY, PHILOSOPHY, law , management , marketing... whatever be the

filed it has changed has come about with RESSISTANCE.

 

else people like Sir Adi Shankaracharya, swami vivekananda, ramanajucharya,

Socretus, aristotle etc wud not be who they r, all faced innumerable walls ahead

of them

 

Prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

 

Friday, May 8, 2009 10:44:03 AM

Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

 

Dear Dada,

 

Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at

first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or

seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it.

 

Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS!

 

I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise

too?

 

Those who know more about that, please educate us...

 

Thanks

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has

reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology

one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or

less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up

something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that

matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings

one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and

accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27

malkhtras and 7/9 planets.

> As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and

unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge

it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and

pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit

and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation

accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring

recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate

rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries.

> Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining

and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of

thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours.

> So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these

Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse

how the happenings took place in the past.

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote:

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

> Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

> Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

>

>

Dear RRji

>

> a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had

asked him also.

>

> Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya,

Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more,

>

> he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language

>

> and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru

>

> a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with

establishment, father, dharma etc.

>

> say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one

just behind it is amatya karaka

>

> many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini.

>

> ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO

SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS

>

> as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will

never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...!

> so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or

godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc...

>

> one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western

astrologers predict only fatelistacally.

> instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good

and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Prashant

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

>

> Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

> Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

> Dear Vinay Ji,

>

> This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not

Parashari!

>

> The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

>

> Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

>

> Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned

Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

>

> The interesting observation is:

>

> Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has

always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

>

> Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

>

> Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

>

> I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from

older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short

time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and

sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

>

> Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one

wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

>

> I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that

goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Ji,

> >

> > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari

texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors,

who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system

has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come

under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are

extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our

sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system

to greater or lesser extent.

> >

> > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views

interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have

smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

> >

> > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large

number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore,

we have to rely on our critical faculties.

> >

> > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a

moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience

is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas

do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

> >

> > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of

combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular

vargas.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ============ ====== ======

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> >

> > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> > Parasara-BPHS 7/5

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear vinay ji

> >

> > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation

and differences in them- I mean older ones only

> >

> > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from

Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

> >

> > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts

based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model

used now

> >

> > he has a great library and quote from any work at will

> >

> > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart

and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the

profesion literally

> >

> > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a

trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

> >

> >

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Sorry ji, did not mean to sound self-promotional about the magazine or article

etc. My apologies to the moderator/owner and members. I should be careful in

future.

 

Motabhai as used by me was what in gujrati people call their elder brother as

bengalis call Dada. Mota in gujrati means large or big and not necessarily fat

:-)

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Dada,

> My penchant for my Dada lies in his art of chasing the celestial bodies and

revealing their mysteries.Iam eagerly waiting forEST for the month of May to hit

the stands.being an uncharecteresticsubsciber for EST last 5 years with frequent

changes in mailing addresses,I became sore to the publishers.iam certain to

steal a copy . with uncanny style of Dada's, he will be no doubt a profound

and  prolific writer in Astrology

> with regards

> vrkrishnan

> P.S:Mera motape lies in my sagging epidermis and so is inescapable

>

> --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

> Friday, May 8, 2009, 10:54 PM

>

>

Dear Krishnan dada (Mota-bhai?) --

>

> As I have tried to express my feeble ant-chirpings on EST for some months now

-- the phases of moon are indeed important. You must read the latest one on

Obama in the May 2009 offering! Even if I say so myself!!

>

> Chotabhai!

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > From waxing to waning forms of MOON is the mystery behind prominence.CPU/

manas goes for acceptance of malware and distrubs configurations that lands

Bipeds in state of myth.what he tries to connect to reality and what the

stimulations he finds makes the normal being unsound

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

> >

> > Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:53 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Kumar ji,

> >

> > Mind is all we mortals have (NOT bodies! Those we leave behind when we leave

this loka!). Manas is the interface between the Central Processing Unit (Soul?)

and the rest of reality, such as the keyboard, the mouse, the monitor, the

external hard drive, memory stick, the DVD writer and more?

> >

> > Hence MOON has been placed in a position of prominence and that Jyotish

recommends as the default position when that is all we have to go by! Even by

ancients who presumably did not have computers or silicon realities!

Interesting, is it not?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@

...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RRji

> > >

> > > this is true of all that comes from the mind and that involves MINDS,

MINDSETS isnt it, change is inevitable but change is always resisted and pushes

its way thru LIKE AGE.

> > > RELIGIOUS, LITERARY, PHILOSOPHY, law , management , marketing... whatever

be the filed it has changed has come about with RESSISTANCE.

> > >

> > > else people like Sir Adi Shankaracharya, swami vivekananda,

ramanajucharya, Socretus, aristotle etc wud not be who they r, all faced

innumerable walls ahead of them

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > >

> > > Friday, May 8, 2009 10:44:03 AM

> > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Dada,

> > >

> > > Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely

at first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or

seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it.

> > >

> > > Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS!

> > >

> > > I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been

likewise too?

> > >

> > > Those who know more about that, please educate us...

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science

has reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one

inAstrology one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as

Instruments more or less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz

geeting mixed up something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and

vocal chords that matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what

ever short comings one notices and dssatification in having not able to

pronounce precision and accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in

the matters relating 27 malkhtras and 7/9 planets.

> > > > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the

darkness and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us

at this satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of

Astrology and pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products

of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their

appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can

bring recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain

boundaries/paramate rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries.

> > > > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are

mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of

thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours.

> > > > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on

these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and

anlyse how the happenings took place in the past.

> > > > vrkrishnan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear RRji

> > > >

> > > > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I

had asked him also.

> > > >

> > > > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la

Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more,

> > > >

> > > > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex

language

> > > >

> > > > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and

Guru

> > > >

> > > > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with

establishment, father, dharma etc.

> > > >

> > > > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or

one just behind it is amatya karaka

> > > >

> > > > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini.

> > > >

> > > > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE,

GIUDENCE TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS

> > > >

> > > > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we

will never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...!

> > > > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas,

hitlers or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc...

> > > >

> > > > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western

astrologers predict only fatelistacally.

> > > > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in

good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

> > > >

> > > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

> > > > Two cents -- if I may ...?

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay Ji,

> > > >

> > > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not

Parashari!

> > > >

> > > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

> > > >

> > > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

> > > >

> > > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he

mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

> > > >

> > > > The interesting observation is:

> > > >

> > > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa

edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

> > > >

> > > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

> > > >

> > > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

> > > >

> > > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being

from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a

short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important

and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

> > > >

> > > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and

one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

> > > >

> > > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something

that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu

Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval

authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's

phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important

differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two

chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among

rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have

followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent.

> > > > >

> > > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong

views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them

have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

> > > > >

> > > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a

large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages.

Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties.

> > > > >

> > > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is

a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My

experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because

other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

> > > > >

> > > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> > > > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> > > > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> > > > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of

combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular

vargas.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > > > ============ ====== ======

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > > > >

> > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> > > > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear vinay ji

> > > > >

> > > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in

circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only

> > > > >

> > > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more

from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

> > > > >

> > > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent

forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied

calculations model used now

> > > > >

> > > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will

> > > > >

> > > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10

chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes

the profesion literally

> > > > >

> > > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest

a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > >

> > > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Vinay ji,

 

By " your " I was not intending any affiliation or ownership but in the sense of

" as referred by you " . Sorry about my loose usage of Angla bhasha :-)

 

You are not alone as I have heard from other Jyotishis, big and small good

things about the Chowkhamba edition.

 

But seriously, I have been intrigued by the 'codified' or encrypted if I may

call it katapayadi presentation of Upadesh Sutras. Is it reasonable to assume

that it is of more recent, paranoid, protective times whereas BPHS in its

transparent lucidity (even the apabhramsha versions) indicates its origin in

older, more benefic-hearted times?

 

Your valuable comments will be appreciated, as to of other scholars and vedic

historians (Jha ji -- by this I am not implying that you are a vedic historian,

but there might be others more intersted in that aspect hence I am indicating

that as part of the general invitation to others to comment).

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> RR Ji,

>

> Your points are good, excepting one " your Chowkhamba edition " . Chowkhamba

edition is not mine. I know that this Chowkhamba edition was based on MANY

manuscripts. I also know that Sanathana edition is based on a modern redaction

of the whole BPHS by a modrn pandit.

>

> It is my firm belief that all extant versions of BPHS contain interpolations,

but is is easy to recognize the original, which is systematic and lucid, in most

parts. None of ancient or mediaevalastrologers, as far as I know, was against

either Parashara or Jaimini. There is nothing to suggest that Parashara and

Jaimini followed contradictory systems. Jaimini's work is only partially

preserved, only two chapters have survived. Hence, I believe all these can be

taken to be part of a single system which we may call Parashari or vedic phalita

(Parashari because it is the most comprehensive extant system). Other important

systems, none of which being linked to any rishi, may be regarded as different

or sometimes even antagonistic to this dominant system of Indian astrology.

>

> -Vinay Jha.

>

> =============== ================

>

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

>

> Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

> Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Vinay Ji,

>

> This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not

Parashari!

>

> The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

>

> Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

>

> Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned

Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

>

> The interesting observation is:

>

> Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has

always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

>

> Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

>

> Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

>

> I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from

older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short

time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and

sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

>

> Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one

wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

>

> I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that

goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Ji,

> >

> > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari

texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors,

who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system

has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come

under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini

are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is

our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's

system to greater or lesser extent.

> >

> > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views

interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have

smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

> >

> > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large

number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore,

we have to rely on our critical faculties.

> >

> > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a

moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience

is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas

do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

> >

> > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of

combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular

vargas.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ============ ====== ======

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> >

> > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> > Parasara-BPHS 7/5

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear vinay ji

> >

> > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation

and differences in them- I mean older ones only

> >

> > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from

Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

> >

> > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts

based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model

used now

> >

> > he has a great library and quote from any work at will

> >

> > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart

and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the

profesion literally

> >

> > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a

trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

> >

> >

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Dea Shri RohiniSir,

As I like the Gujarati Dplhla and Gujarati food the most,Motabahai is as simple

as what you have meant.No issues at all between two sib-lings

Even EST the only magzines that aids and assist,the present lot of Astrologers

does not expect any assistance from us to think so.It has acuired a good

standing in market.So our reference to EST is topical more than promotional.Need

not think in terms of hurting any one's sentiments.some cajoling too to have

good taste of all things going around

regards

vrkrishnan 

 

--- On Sat, 5/9/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

 

Saturday, May 9, 2009, 6:20 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry ji, did not mean to sound self-promotional about the magazine or article

etc. My apologies to the moderator/owner and members. I should be careful in

future.

 

Motabhai as used by me was what in gujrati people call their elder brother as

bengalis call Dada. Mota in gujrati means large or big and not necessarily fat

:-)

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Dada,

> My penchant for my Dada lies in his art of chasing the celestial bodies and

revealing their mysteries.Iam eagerly waiting forEST for the month of May to hit

the stands.being an uncharecteresticsub sciber for EST last 5 years with

frequent changes in mailing addresses,I became sore to the publishers.iam

certain to steal a copy . with uncanny style of Dada's, he will be no doubt a

profound and  prolific writer in Astrology

> with regards

> vrkrishnan

> P.S:Mera motape lies in my sagging epidermis and so is inescapable

>

> --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

> Friday, May 8, 2009, 10:54 PM

>

>

Dear Krishnan dada (Mota-bhai?) --

>

> As I have tried to express my feeble ant-chirpings on EST for some months now

-- the phases of moon are indeed important. You must read the latest one on

Obama in the May 2009 offering! Even if I say so myself!!

>

> Chotabhai!

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > From waxing to waning forms of MOON is the mystery behind prominence.CPU/

manas goes for acceptance of malware and distrubs configurations that lands

Bipeds in state of myth.what he tries to connect to reality and what the

stimulations he finds makes the normal being unsound

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

> >

> > Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:53 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Kumar ji,

> >

> > Mind is all we mortals have (NOT bodies! Those we leave behind when we leave

this loka!). Manas is the interface between the Central Processing Unit (Soul?)

and the rest of reality, such as the keyboard, the mouse, the monitor, the

external hard drive, memory stick, the DVD writer and more?

> >

> > Hence MOON has been placed in a position of prominence and that Jyotish

recommends as the default position when that is all we have to go by! Even by

ancients who presumably did not have computers or silicon realities!

Interesting, is it not?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@

...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RRji

> > >

> > > this is true of all that comes from the mind and that involves MINDS,

MINDSETS isnt it, change is inevitable but change is always resisted and pushes

its way thru LIKE AGE.

> > > RELIGIOUS, LITERARY, PHILOSOPHY, law , management , marketing... whatever

be the filed it has changed has come about with RESSISTANCE.

> > >

> > > else people like Sir Adi Shankaracharya, swami vivekananda,

ramanajucharya, Socretus, aristotle etc wud not be who they r, all faced

innumerable walls ahead of them

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > >

> > > Friday, May 8, 2009 10:44:03 AM

> > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Dada,

> > >

> > > Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely

at first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or

seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it.

> > >

> > > Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS!

> > >

> > > I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been

likewise too?

> > >

> > > Those who know more about that, please educate us...

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science

has reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one

inAstrology one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as

Instruments more or less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz

geeting mixed up something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and

vocal chords that matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what

ever short comings one notices and dssatification in having not able to

pronounce precision and accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in

the matters relating 27 malkhtras and 7/9 planets.

> > > > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the

darkness and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us

at this satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of

Astrology and pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products

of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their

appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can

bring recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain

boundaries/paramate rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries.

> > > > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are

mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of

thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours.

> > > > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on

these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and

anlyse how the happenings took place in the past.

> > > > vrkrishnan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear RRji

> > > >

> > > > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I

had asked him also.

> > > >

> > > > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la

Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more,

> > > >

> > > > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex

language

> > > >

> > > > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and

Guru

> > > >

> > > > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with

establishment, father, dharma etc.

> > > >

> > > > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or

one just behind it is amatya karaka

> > > >

> > > > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini.

> > > >

> > > > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE,

GIUDENCE TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS

> > > >

> > > > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we

will never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...!

> > > > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas,

hitlers or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc...

> > > >

> > > > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western

astrologers predict only fatelistacally.

> > > > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in

good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

> > > >

> > > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

> > > > Two cents -- if I may ...?

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay Ji,

> > > >

> > > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not

Parashari!

> > > >

> > > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

> > > >

> > > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

> > > >

> > > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he

mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

> > > >

> > > > The interesting observation is:

> > > >

> > > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa

edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

> > > >

> > > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

> > > >

> > > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

> > > >

> > > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being

from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a

short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important

and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

> > > >

> > > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and

one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

> > > >

> > > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something

that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu

Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval

authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's

phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important

differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two

chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among

rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have

followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent.

> > > > >

> > > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong

views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them

have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

> > > > >

> > > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a

large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages.

Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties.

> > > > >

> > > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is

a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My

experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because

other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

> > > > >

> > > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> > > > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> > > > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> > > > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of

combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular

vargas.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > > > ============ ====== ======

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > > > >

> > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> > > > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear vinay ji

> > > > >

> > > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in

circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only

> > > > >

> > > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more

from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

> > > > >

> > > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent

forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied

calculations model used now

> > > > >

> > > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will

> > > > >

> > > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10

chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes

the profesion literally

> > > > >

> > > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest

a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > >

> > > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

> > > > >

> > > > >

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RR Ji,

 

The sutra method of presentation was not for secrecy but for facilitating

memorization by students of gurukulas, where these sutras were elaborated by

teachers. Panini's Ashtadhyayi is a superb example of sutra technique, without

which complete mastery of grammar by any individual would have remained

impossible. Instead of regarding Jaimini's Upadesha Sutra as a later

development, I think the extant versions of BPHS are much mutilated and

interpolated versions, at least some of them. The sanathana version of BPHS,

available at internet, has 100% of its verses difering from all other

manuscripts, for instance, and is a clear proof of the fact that the internet

version (sanathana version) of BPHS is a work of 20th century !

 

We need a a collective effort to collate all extant manuscripts of BPHS for

bringing out its critical edition based on all reliable manuscripts. It is a

herculean task. Some individuls are keeping manuscripts secretly, not allowing

others a chance to see them.

 

Presently, I am busy in translation and elucidation of some important ancient

and mediaeval works of siddhantic Jyotisha with the help of some scholars of

Prayaga and Kashi. But I have already started searching for manuscripts of BPHS.

I request you to help us in this effort through your contacts. Manuscripts in

various libraries may be photocopied and sent to us.

 

-Vinay Jha.

 

===================== ===============

 

 

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

 

Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:57:54 AM

Re: Two cents -- if I may ...?

 

 

 

 

 

Vinay ji,

 

By " your " I was not intending any affiliation or ownership but in the sense of

" as referred by you " . Sorry about my loose usage of Angla bhasha :-)

 

You are not alone as I have heard from other Jyotishis, big and small good

things about the Chowkhamba edition.

 

But seriously, I have been intrigued by the 'codified' or encrypted if I may

call it katapayadi presentation of Upadesh Sutras. Is it reasonable to assume

that it is of more recent, paranoid, protective times whereas BPHS in its

transparent lucidity (even the apabhramsha versions) indicates its origin in

older, more benefic-hearted times?

 

Your valuable comments will be appreciated, as to of other scholars and vedic

historians (Jha ji -- by this I am not implying that you are a vedic historian,

but there might be others more intersted in that aspect hence I am indicating

that as part of the general invitation to others to comment).

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> RR Ji,

>

> Your points are good, excepting one " your Chowkhamba edition " . Chowkhamba

edition is not mine. I know that this Chowkhamba edition was based on MANY

manuscripts. I also know that Sanathana edition is based on a modern redaction

of the whole BPHS by a modrn pandit.

>

> It is my firm belief that all extant versions of BPHS contain interpolations,

but is is easy to recognize the original, which is systematic and lucid, in most

parts. None of ancient or mediaevalastrologer s, as far as I know, was against

either Parashara or Jaimini. There is nothing to suggest that Parashara and

Jaimini followed contradictory systems. Jaimini's work is only partially

preserved, only two chapters have survived. Hence, I believe all these can be

taken to be part of a single system which we may call Parashari or vedic phalita

(Parashari because it is the most comprehensive extant system). Other important

systems, none of which being linked to any rishi, may be regarded as different

or sometimes even antagonistic to this dominant system of Indian astrology.

>

> -Vinay Jha.

>

> ============ === ============ ====

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

>

> Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM

> Two cents -- if I may ...?

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Vinay Ji,

>

> This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not

Parashari!

>

> The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times --

>

> Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call

Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many

earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but

never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi.

>

> Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned

Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me!

>

> The interesting observation is:

>

> Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has

always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally

sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out!

>

> Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi?

>

> Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent

phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they

are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like

our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected?

>

> I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from

older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short

time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and

sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started

keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on

those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the

reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or

enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in!

>

> Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one

wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic

phrase!!).

>

> I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that

goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on

history! Recent History!!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Ji,

> >

> > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari

texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors,

who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system

has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come

under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini

are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is

our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's

system to greater or lesser extent.

> >

> > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views

interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have

smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence,

Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or

Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the

original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to

collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference

to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no

interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult

astrologers in private).

> >

> > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large

number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore,

we have to rely on our critical faculties.

> >

> > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a

moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience

is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas

do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position.

> >

> > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive

> > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more

> > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied

> > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of

combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular

vargas.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ============ ====== ======

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> >

> > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

> > Parasara-BPHS 7/5

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear vinay ji

> >

> > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation

and differences in them- I mean older ones only

> >

> > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from

Mumbai forgot the translator, and press

> >

> > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts

based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model

used now

> >

> > he has a great library and quote from any work at will

> >

> > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart

and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the

profesion literally

> >

> > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a

trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases

where we see some mis-match

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th

> >

> >

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