Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Dear Vinay Ji, This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! The interesting observation is: Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! Rohiniranjan , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Prashant Ji, > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > aspects. Shodashvarga-Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > critically.Shodashvarga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > -VJ > > ================== ====== > > > ________________________________ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > Prashant > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Dear RRji a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked him also. Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more, he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment, father, dharma etc. say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one just behind it is amatya karaka many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini. ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...! so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc... one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western astrologers predict only fatelistacally. instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible. Best wishes Prashant ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM Two cents -- if I may ...? Dear Vinay Ji, This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! The interesting observation is: Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! Rohiniranjan , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Prashant Ji, > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > -VJ > > ============ ====== ====== > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > Prashant > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Dear Friends, It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27 malkhtras and 7/9 planets. As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and pronounce with precision the implication.Softwares are products of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramaters,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries. Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours. So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse how the happenings took place in the past. vrkrishnan --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM Dear RRji a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked him also. Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more, he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment, father, dharma etc. say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one just behind it is amatya karaka many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini. ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...! so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc... one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western astrologers predict only fatelistacally. instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible. Best wishes Prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM Two cents -- if I may ...? Dear Vinay Ji, This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! The interesting observation is: Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! Rohiniranjan , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Prashant Ji, > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > -VJ > > ============ ====== ====== > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > Prashant > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Dear Dada, Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it. Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS! I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise too? Those who know more about that, please educate us... Thanks RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27 malkhtras and 7/9 planets. > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and pronounce with precision the implication.Softwares are products of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramaters,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries. > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours. > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse how the happenings took place in the past. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM > > Dear RRji > > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked him also. > > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more, > > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language > > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru > > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment, father, dharma etc. > > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one just behind it is amatya karaka > > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini. > > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS > > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...! > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc... > > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western astrologers predict only fatelistacally. > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible. > > Best wishes > > Prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM > Two cents -- if I may ...? > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! > > The interesting observation is: > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > > > -VJ > > > > ============ ====== ====== > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > > > Prashant > > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Dear RRji this is true of all that comes from the mind and that involves MINDS, MINDSETS isnt it, change is inevitable but change is always resisted and pushes its way thru LIKE AGE. RELIGIOUS, LITERARY, PHILOSOPHY, law , management , marketing...whatever be the filed it has changed has come about with RESSISTANCE. else people like Sir Adi Shankaracharya, swami vivekananda, ramanajucharya, Socretus, aristotle etc wud not be who they r, all faced innumerable walls ahead of them Prashant ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Friday, May 8, 2009 10:44:03 AM Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? Dear Dada, Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it. Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS! I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise too? Those who know more about that, please educate us... Thanks RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27 malkhtras and 7/9 planets. > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries. > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours. > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse how the happenings took place in the past. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM > > Dear RRji > > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked him also. > > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more, > > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language > > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru > > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment, father, dharma etc. > > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one just behind it is amatya karaka > > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini. > > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS > > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...! > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc... > > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western astrologers predict only fatelistacally. > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible. > > Best wishes > > Prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM > Two cents -- if I may ...? > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! > > The interesting observation is: > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > > > -VJ > > > > ============ ====== ====== > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > > > Prashant > > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Dear Kumar ji, Mind is all we mortals have (NOT bodies! Those we leave behind when we leave this loka!). Manas is the interface between the Central Processing Unit (Soul?) and the rest of reality, such as the keyboard, the mouse, the monitor, the external hard drive, memory stick, the DVD writer and more? Hence MOON has been placed in a position of prominence and that Jyotish recommends as the default position when that is all we have to go by! Even by ancients who presumably did not have computers or silicon realities! Interesting, is it not? RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear RRji > > this is true of all that comes from the mind and that involves MINDS, MINDSETS isnt it, change is inevitable but change is always resisted and pushes its way thru LIKE AGE. > RELIGIOUS, LITERARY, PHILOSOPHY, law , management , marketing...whatever be the filed it has changed has come about with RESSISTANCE. > > else people like Sir Adi Shankaracharya, swami vivekananda, ramanajucharya, Socretus, aristotle etc wud not be who they r, all faced innumerable walls ahead of them > > Prashant > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Friday, May 8, 2009 10:44:03 AM > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it. > > Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS! > > I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise too? > > Those who know more about that, please educate us... > > Thanks > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27 malkhtras and 7/9 planets. > > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries. > > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours. > > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse how the happenings took place in the past. > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked him also. > > > > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more, > > > > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language > > > > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru > > > > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment, father, dharma etc. > > > > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one just behind it is amatya karaka > > > > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini. > > > > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS > > > > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...! > > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc... > > > > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western astrologers predict only fatelistacally. > > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM > > Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! > > > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- > > > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. > > > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! > > > > The interesting observation is: > > > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! > > > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? > > > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? > > > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! > > > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). > > > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > > > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > > > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > > > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > > > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ============ ====== ====== > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > > > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > > > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > > > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > > > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > > > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > > > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Dear Dada, Single minded devotion in the process of evolution of sciences seems to have it's own sharpness as it is the way through which one can achieve objectives.I agree that Astrology is no exception.what makes however science very sound is basic principles.once you freeze these hard lines,any thing can be explained and deduced.Sciences have some some more flexibilty in built with two way process.it is ofcourse a mute how scientists share their views and are prepared during development process. One thing which always amuses in our subject whether it is theory that dominates or unaccounted and untold stories of destinies that fade as no body to rescue their fate.Also availibility for the needy some explanation and some logic of Astrologers whether practising or not would be a great succour.we have ofcourse intriguing concept of remedies that are handed over from generation is through appeasement of Gods,goddesses and the related heavenly bodies. Also the concept of VIDHI is made very threatening in the life of homos to make him bowdown to the nature. while working on psychology,some explorers of minds thought that all humans are scientist in their own way in making from the time of birth.But we on the other side of globe,talk of contnuity of our actions and the results that come out either promote us or demote us in our explorations.Looks a vicious cycles that makes us not to prepare further for any challeneges to decode destinies vrkrishnan P.S:After addressing the mail I found how rahu in Libra is leading the mind after 2nd day of full moon on 8th may --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? Friday, May 8, 2009, 1:14 AM Dear Dada, Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it. Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS! I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise too? Those who know more about that, please educate us... Thanks RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27 malkhtras and 7/9 planets. > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries. > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours. > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse how the happenings took place in the past. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM > > Dear RRji > > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked him also. > > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more, > > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language > > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru > > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment, father, dharma etc. > > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one just behind it is amatya karaka > > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini. > > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS > > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...! > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc... > > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western astrologers predict only fatelistacally. > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible. > > Best wishes > > Prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM > Two cents -- if I may ...? > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! > > The interesting observation is: > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > > > -VJ > > > > ============ ====== ====== > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > > > Prashant > > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Dear Friends, From waxing to waning forms of MOON is the mystery behind prominence.CPU/manas goes for acceptance of malware and distrubs configurations that lands Bipeds in state of myth.what he tries to connect to reality and what the stimulations he finds makes the normal being unsound vrkrishnan --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:53 PM Dear Kumar ji, Mind is all we mortals have (NOT bodies! Those we leave behind when we leave this loka!). Manas is the interface between the Central Processing Unit (Soul?) and the rest of reality, such as the keyboard, the mouse, the monitor, the external hard drive, memory stick, the DVD writer and more? Hence MOON has been placed in a position of prominence and that Jyotish recommends as the default position when that is all we have to go by! Even by ancients who presumably did not have computers or silicon realities! Interesting, is it not? RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Dear RRji > > this is true of all that comes from the mind and that involves MINDS, MINDSETS isnt it, change is inevitable but change is always resisted and pushes its way thru LIKE AGE. > RELIGIOUS, LITERARY, PHILOSOPHY, law , management , marketing... whatever be the filed it has changed has come about with RESSISTANCE. > > else people like Sir Adi Shankaracharya, swami vivekananda, ramanajucharya, Socretus, aristotle etc wud not be who they r, all faced innumerable walls ahead of them > > Prashant > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Friday, May 8, 2009 10:44:03 AM > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it. > > Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS! > > I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise too? > > Those who know more about that, please educate us... > > Thanks > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27 malkhtras and 7/9 planets. > > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries. > > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours. > > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse how the happenings took place in the past. > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked him also. > > > > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more, > > > > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language > > > > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru > > > > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment, father, dharma etc. > > > > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one just behind it is amatya karaka > > > > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini. > > > > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS > > > > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...! > > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc... > > > > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western astrologers predict only fatelistacally. > > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM > > Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! > > > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- > > > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. > > > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! > > > > The interesting observation is: > > > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! > > > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? > > > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? > > > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! > > > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). > > > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > > > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > > > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > > > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > > > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ============ ====== ====== > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > > > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > > > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > > > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > > > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > > > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > > > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 If I may so impose, on the wise ones! When one is on a dedicated and committed travel plan which is NON-REFUNDABLE and alreay paid for (Karma-Currency!) one has really two options! Gripe and complain about the journey because it was not perfect... or REALLY GET and ENJOY what YOU paid for! I choose the latter because there are hidden gifts that they did not tell you about when you bought the ticket! Your GIFTS may be different so I will not bias you! Please read the message on the other forum that you are d on at my behest and request! It would make more direct sense! , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Dada, > Single minded devotion in the process of evolution of sciences seems to have it's own sharpness as it is the way through which one can achieve objectives.I agree that Astrology is no exception.what makes however science very sound is basic principles.once you freeze these hard lines,any thing can be explained and deduced.Sciences have some some more flexibilty in built with two way process.it is ofcourse a mute how scientists share their views and are prepared during development process. > One thing which always amuses in our subject whether it is theory that dominates or unaccounted and untold stories of destinies that fade as no body to rescue their fate.Also availibility for the needy some explanation and some logic of Astrologers whether practising or not would be a great succour.we have ofcourse intriguing concept of remedies that are handed over from generation is through appeasement of Gods,goddesses and the related heavenly bodies. > Also the concept of VIDHI is made very threatening in the life of homos to make him bowdown to the nature. > while working on psychology,some explorers of minds thought that all humans are scientist in their own way in making from the time of birth.But we on the other side of globe,talk of contnuity of our actions and the results that come out either promote us or demote us in our explorations.Looks a vicious cycles that makes us not to prepare further for any challeneges to decode destinies > vrkrishnan > P.S:After addressing the mail I found how rahu in Libra is leading the mind after 2nd day of full moon on 8th may > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > Friday, May 8, 2009, 1:14 AM > > Dear Dada, > > Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it. > > Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS! > > I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise too? > > Those who know more about that, please educate us... > > Thanks > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27 malkhtras and 7/9 planets. > > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries. > > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours. > > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse how the happenings took place in the past. > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked him also. > > > > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more, > > > > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language > > > > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru > > > > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment, father, dharma etc. > > > > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one just behind it is amatya karaka > > > > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini. > > > > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS > > > > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...! > > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc... > > > > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western astrologers predict only fatelistacally. > > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM > > Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! > > > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- > > > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. > > > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! > > > > The interesting observation is: > > > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! > > > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? > > > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? > > > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! > > > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). > > > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > > > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > > > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > > > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > > > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ============ ====== ====== > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > > > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > > > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > > > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > > > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > > > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > > > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Dear Krishnan dada (Mota-bhai?) -- As I have tried to express my feeble ant-chirpings on EST for some months now -- the phases of moon are indeed important. You must read the latest one on Obama in the May 2009 offering! Even if I say so myself!! Chotabhai! , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > From waxing to waning forms of MOON is the mystery behind prominence.CPU/manas goes for acceptance of malware and distrubs configurations that lands Bipeds in state of myth.what he tries to connect to reality and what the stimulations he finds makes the normal being unsound > vrkrishnan > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:53 PM > > Dear Kumar ji, > > Mind is all we mortals have (NOT bodies! Those we leave behind when we leave this loka!). Manas is the interface between the Central Processing Unit (Soul?) and the rest of reality, such as the keyboard, the mouse, the monitor, the external hard drive, memory stick, the DVD writer and more? > > Hence MOON has been placed in a position of prominence and that Jyotish recommends as the default position when that is all we have to go by! Even by ancients who presumably did not have computers or silicon realities! Interesting, is it not? > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji > > > > this is true of all that comes from the mind and that involves MINDS, MINDSETS isnt it, change is inevitable but change is always resisted and pushes its way thru LIKE AGE. > > RELIGIOUS, LITERARY, PHILOSOPHY, law , management , marketing... whatever be the filed it has changed has come about with RESSISTANCE. > > > > else people like Sir Adi Shankaracharya, swami vivekananda, ramanajucharya, Socretus, aristotle etc wud not be who they r, all faced innumerable walls ahead of them > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Friday, May 8, 2009 10:44:03 AM > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it. > > > > Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS! > > > > I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise too? > > > > Those who know more about that, please educate us... > > > > Thanks > > > > RR > > > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27 malkhtras and 7/9 planets. > > > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries. > > > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours. > > > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse how the happenings took place in the past. > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > > > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked him also. > > > > > > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more, > > > > > > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language > > > > > > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru > > > > > > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment, father, dharma etc. > > > > > > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one just behind it is amatya karaka > > > > > > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini. > > > > > > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS > > > > > > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...! > > > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc... > > > > > > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western astrologers predict only fatelistacally. > > > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM > > > Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > > > > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! > > > > > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- > > > > > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. > > > > > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! > > > > > > The interesting observation is: > > > > > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! > > > > > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? > > > > > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? > > > > > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! > > > > > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). > > > > > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > > > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > > > > > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > > > > > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > > > > > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > > > > > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > > > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > > > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > > > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > ============ ====== ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > > > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > > > > > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > > > > > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > > > > > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > > > > > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > > > > > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > > > > > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Dear Dada, My penchant for my Dada lies in his art of chasing the celestial bodies and revealing their mysteries.Iam eagerly waiting forEST for the month of May to hit the stands.being an uncharecteresticsubsciber for EST last 5 years with frequent changes in mailing addresses,I became sore to the publishers.iam certain to steal a copy . with uncanny style of Dada's, he will be no doubt a profound and prolific writer in Astrology with regards vrkrishnan P.S:Mera motape lies in my sagging epidermis and so is inescapable --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? Friday, May 8, 2009, 10:54 PM Dear Krishnan dada (Mota-bhai?) -- As I have tried to express my feeble ant-chirpings on EST for some months now -- the phases of moon are indeed important. You must read the latest one on Obama in the May 2009 offering! Even if I say so myself!! Chotabhai! , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > From waxing to waning forms of MOON is the mystery behind prominence.CPU/ manas goes for acceptance of malware and distrubs configurations that lands Bipeds in state of myth.what he tries to connect to reality and what the stimulations he finds makes the normal being unsound > vrkrishnan > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:53 PM > > Dear Kumar ji, > > Mind is all we mortals have (NOT bodies! Those we leave behind when we leave this loka!). Manas is the interface between the Central Processing Unit (Soul?) and the rest of reality, such as the keyboard, the mouse, the monitor, the external hard drive, memory stick, the DVD writer and more? > > Hence MOON has been placed in a position of prominence and that Jyotish recommends as the default position when that is all we have to go by! Even by ancients who presumably did not have computers or silicon realities! Interesting, is it not? > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji > > > > this is true of all that comes from the mind and that involves MINDS, MINDSETS isnt it, change is inevitable but change is always resisted and pushes its way thru LIKE AGE. > > RELIGIOUS, LITERARY, PHILOSOPHY, law , management , marketing... whatever be the filed it has changed has come about with RESSISTANCE. > > > > else people like Sir Adi Shankaracharya, swami vivekananda, ramanajucharya, Socretus, aristotle etc wud not be who they r, all faced innumerable walls ahead of them > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Friday, May 8, 2009 10:44:03 AM > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it. > > > > Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS! > > > > I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise too? > > > > Those who know more about that, please educate us... > > > > Thanks > > > > RR > > > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27 malkhtras and 7/9 planets. > > > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries. > > > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours. > > > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse how the happenings took place in the past. > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > > > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked him also. > > > > > > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more, > > > > > > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language > > > > > > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru > > > > > > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment, father, dharma etc. > > > > > > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one just behind it is amatya karaka > > > > > > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini. > > > > > > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS > > > > > > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...! > > > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc... > > > > > > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western astrologers predict only fatelistacally. > > > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM > > > Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > > > > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! > > > > > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- > > > > > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. > > > > > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! > > > > > > The interesting observation is: > > > > > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! > > > > > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? > > > > > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? > > > > > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! > > > > > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). > > > > > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > > > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > > > > > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > > > > > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > > > > > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > > > > > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > > > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > > > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > > > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > ============ ====== ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > > > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > > > > > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > > > > > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > > > > > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > > > > > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > > > > > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > > > > > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 RR Ji, Your points are good, excepting one " your Chowkhamba edition " . Chowkhamba edition is not mine. I know that this Chowkhamba edition was based on MANY manuscripts. I also know that Sanathana edition is based on a modern redaction of the whole BPHS by a modrn pandit. It is my firm belief that all extant versions of BPHS contain interpolations, but is is easy to recognize the original, which is systematic and lucid, in most parts. None of ancient or mediaevalastrologers, as far as I know, was against either Parashara or Jaimini. There is nothing to suggest that Parashara and Jaimini followed contradictory systems. Jaimini's work is only partially preserved, only two chapters have survived. Hence, I believe all these can be taken to be part of a single system which we may call Parashari or vedic phalita (Parashari because it is the most comprehensive extant system). Other important systems, none of which being linked to any rishi, may be regarded as different or sometimes even antagonistic to this dominant system of Indian astrology. -Vinay Jha. =============== ================ ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM Two cents -- if I may ...? Dear Vinay Ji, This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! The interesting observation is: Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! Rohiniranjan , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Prashant Ji, > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > -VJ > > ============ ====== ====== > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > Prashant > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 To All, Krishnan Ji has made valid assertions that ecclecticism must be avoided in astrology. I said that Parashara's and Jaimini's approach to death followed same plan, and hence it can be used for testing deaths of well known persons. I am not saying that Parashara and Jaimini followed same system everywhere, because it is not possible to reconstruct the whole system of Jaimini due to the fact that onlt two chapters of his work are extant. My stress is on Parashara's system, because it is the single most comprehensive system initiated by a rishi. What is ecclectic in this approach ? All those ancient and modern authors are to be included in Parashari system who followed Parashara's system. It is not ecclecticism. Moreover, we cannot work on all aspects without such an approach. For instance, BPHS does not make predictive statements about divisionals, and if some mediaeval work helps us in this respect, and if that work does not contradict Parashara antwhere, such mediaeval and ancient works must be valued more than those modern works which are calling for revisions in traditional phalita. The original plan of Parashara must be the base of Vedic phalita, and all ancient and later works following the system of Parashara are part of this system. It is not eccelcticism. Eccecticism is mixure of disparate systems, which I protest. I do not know what is the aim of Krishnan Ji in making this statement : " Softwares are products of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring recognition to software. " Neither I nor PVR sell softwares. Hence, it is too much to smell something " commercial " in my call for testing of software. I never earned a paisa out of astrology. Moreover, none of the mathematical or predictive theory behind is product of human " wits " of developers of softwares, these developers work with existing theories and data. I did not hope that my call for testing of ASTROLOGICAL will be answered by a charge of commercialism. It is second astrologer who is making such a charge, this time in civil terms, previous charge was mixed with obsecen abuses. Why these astrologers are so hostile to testing Suryasiddhanta ? -Vinay Jha =============== =============== ________________________________ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Friday, May 8, 2009 9:41:45 AM Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? Dear Friends, It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27 malkhtras and 7/9 planets. As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries. Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours. So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse how the happenings took place in the past. vrkrishnan --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM Dear RRji a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked him also. Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more, he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment, father, dharma etc. say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one just behind it is amatya karaka many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini. ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...! so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc... one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western astrologers predict only fatelistacally. instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible. Best wishes Prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM Two cents -- if I may ...? Dear Vinay Ji, This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! The interesting observation is: Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! Rohiniranjan , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Prashant Ji, > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > -VJ > > ============ ====== ====== > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > Prashant > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Prashant Ji, I liked this English, although it also contained " wud not be who they r " . Sometimes I find it difficult to get your meanings, because I always avoided colloquialism. -VJ ________________________________ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Friday, May 8, 2009 11:29:57 AM Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? Dear RRji this is true of all that comes from the mind and that involves MINDS, MINDSETS isnt it, change is inevitable but change is always resisted and pushes its way thru LIKE AGE. RELIGIOUS, LITERARY, PHILOSOPHY, law , management , marketing... whatever be the filed it has changed has come about with RESSISTANCE. else people like Sir Adi Shankaracharya, swami vivekananda, ramanajucharya, Socretus, aristotle etc wud not be who they r, all faced innumerable walls ahead of them Prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Friday, May 8, 2009 10:44:03 AM Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? Dear Dada, Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it. Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS! I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise too? Those who know more about that, please educate us... Thanks RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27 malkhtras and 7/9 planets. > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries. > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours. > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse how the happenings took place in the past. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM > > Dear RRji > > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked him also. > > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more, > > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language > > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru > > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment, father, dharma etc. > > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one just behind it is amatya karaka > > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini. > > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS > > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...! > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc... > > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western astrologers predict only fatelistacally. > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible. > > Best wishes > > Prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM > Two cents -- if I may ...? > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! > > The interesting observation is: > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > > > -VJ > > > > ============ ====== ====== > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > > > Prashant > > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Sorry ji, did not mean to sound self-promotional about the magazine or article etc. My apologies to the moderator/owner and members. I should be careful in future. Motabhai as used by me was what in gujrati people call their elder brother as bengalis call Dada. Mota in gujrati means large or big and not necessarily fat :-) RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Dada, > My penchant for my Dada lies in his art of chasing the celestial bodies and revealing their mysteries.Iam eagerly waiting forEST for the month of May to hit the stands.being an uncharecteresticsubsciber for EST last 5 years with frequent changes in mailing addresses,I became sore to the publishers.iam certain to steal a copy . with uncanny style of Dada's, he will be no doubt a profound and prolific writer in Astrology > with regards > vrkrishnan > P.S:Mera motape lies in my sagging epidermis and so is inescapable > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > Friday, May 8, 2009, 10:54 PM > > Dear Krishnan dada (Mota-bhai?) -- > > As I have tried to express my feeble ant-chirpings on EST for some months now -- the phases of moon are indeed important. You must read the latest one on Obama in the May 2009 offering! Even if I say so myself!! > > Chotabhai! > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > From waxing to waning forms of MOON is the mystery behind prominence.CPU/ manas goes for acceptance of malware and distrubs configurations that lands Bipeds in state of myth.what he tries to connect to reality and what the stimulations he finds makes the normal being unsound > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kumar ji, > > > > Mind is all we mortals have (NOT bodies! Those we leave behind when we leave this loka!). Manas is the interface between the Central Processing Unit (Soul?) and the rest of reality, such as the keyboard, the mouse, the monitor, the external hard drive, memory stick, the DVD writer and more? > > > > Hence MOON has been placed in a position of prominence and that Jyotish recommends as the default position when that is all we have to go by! Even by ancients who presumably did not have computers or silicon realities! Interesting, is it not? > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > > > this is true of all that comes from the mind and that involves MINDS, MINDSETS isnt it, change is inevitable but change is always resisted and pushes its way thru LIKE AGE. > > > RELIGIOUS, LITERARY, PHILOSOPHY, law , management , marketing... whatever be the filed it has changed has come about with RESSISTANCE. > > > > > > else people like Sir Adi Shankaracharya, swami vivekananda, ramanajucharya, Socretus, aristotle etc wud not be who they r, all faced innumerable walls ahead of them > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Friday, May 8, 2009 10:44:03 AM > > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > > > Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it. > > > > > > Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS! > > > > > > I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise too? > > > > > > Those who know more about that, please educate us... > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27 malkhtras and 7/9 planets. > > > > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries. > > > > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours. > > > > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse how the happenings took place in the past. > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > > > > > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked him also. > > > > > > > > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more, > > > > > > > > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language > > > > > > > > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru > > > > > > > > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment, father, dharma etc. > > > > > > > > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one just behind it is amatya karaka > > > > > > > > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini. > > > > > > > > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS > > > > > > > > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...! > > > > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc... > > > > > > > > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western astrologers predict only fatelistacally. > > > > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM > > > > Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > > > > > > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! > > > > > > > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- > > > > > > > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. > > > > > > > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! > > > > > > > > The interesting observation is: > > > > > > > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! > > > > > > > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? > > > > > > > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? > > > > > > > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! > > > > > > > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). > > > > > > > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > > > > > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > > > > > > > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > > > > > > > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > > > > > > > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > > > > > > > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > > > > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > > > > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > > > > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > ============ ====== ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > > > > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > > > > > > > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > > > > > > > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > > > > > > > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > > > > > > > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > > > > > > > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > > > > > > > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Vinay ji, By " your " I was not intending any affiliation or ownership but in the sense of " as referred by you " . Sorry about my loose usage of Angla bhasha :-) You are not alone as I have heard from other Jyotishis, big and small good things about the Chowkhamba edition. But seriously, I have been intrigued by the 'codified' or encrypted if I may call it katapayadi presentation of Upadesh Sutras. Is it reasonable to assume that it is of more recent, paranoid, protective times whereas BPHS in its transparent lucidity (even the apabhramsha versions) indicates its origin in older, more benefic-hearted times? Your valuable comments will be appreciated, as to of other scholars and vedic historians (Jha ji -- by this I am not implying that you are a vedic historian, but there might be others more intersted in that aspect hence I am indicating that as part of the general invitation to others to comment). RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > RR Ji, > > Your points are good, excepting one " your Chowkhamba edition " . Chowkhamba edition is not mine. I know that this Chowkhamba edition was based on MANY manuscripts. I also know that Sanathana edition is based on a modern redaction of the whole BPHS by a modrn pandit. > > It is my firm belief that all extant versions of BPHS contain interpolations, but is is easy to recognize the original, which is systematic and lucid, in most parts. None of ancient or mediaevalastrologers, as far as I know, was against either Parashara or Jaimini. There is nothing to suggest that Parashara and Jaimini followed contradictory systems. Jaimini's work is only partially preserved, only two chapters have survived. Hence, I believe all these can be taken to be part of a single system which we may call Parashari or vedic phalita (Parashari because it is the most comprehensive extant system). Other important systems, none of which being linked to any rishi, may be regarded as different or sometimes even antagonistic to this dominant system of Indian astrology. > > -Vinay Jha. > > =============== ================ > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM > Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! > > The interesting observation is: > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > > > -VJ > > > > ============ ====== ====== > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > > > Prashant > > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Dea Shri RohiniSir, As I like the Gujarati Dplhla and Gujarati food the most,Motabahai is as simple as what you have meant.No issues at all between two sib-lings Even EST the only magzines that aids and assist,the present lot of Astrologers does not expect any assistance from us to think so.It has acuired a good standing in market.So our reference to EST is topical more than promotional.Need not think in terms of hurting any one's sentiments.some cajoling too to have good taste of all things going around regards vrkrishnan --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? Saturday, May 9, 2009, 6:20 PM Sorry ji, did not mean to sound self-promotional about the magazine or article etc. My apologies to the moderator/owner and members. I should be careful in future. Motabhai as used by me was what in gujrati people call their elder brother as bengalis call Dada. Mota in gujrati means large or big and not necessarily fat :-) RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Dada, > My penchant for my Dada lies in his art of chasing the celestial bodies and revealing their mysteries.Iam eagerly waiting forEST for the month of May to hit the stands.being an uncharecteresticsub sciber for EST last 5 years with frequent changes in mailing addresses,I became sore to the publishers.iam certain to steal a copy . with uncanny style of Dada's, he will be no doubt a profound and prolific writer in Astrology > with regards > vrkrishnan > P.S:Mera motape lies in my sagging epidermis and so is inescapable > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > Friday, May 8, 2009, 10:54 PM > > Dear Krishnan dada (Mota-bhai?) -- > > As I have tried to express my feeble ant-chirpings on EST for some months now -- the phases of moon are indeed important. You must read the latest one on Obama in the May 2009 offering! Even if I say so myself!! > > Chotabhai! > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > From waxing to waning forms of MOON is the mystery behind prominence.CPU/ manas goes for acceptance of malware and distrubs configurations that lands Bipeds in state of myth.what he tries to connect to reality and what the stimulations he finds makes the normal being unsound > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kumar ji, > > > > Mind is all we mortals have (NOT bodies! Those we leave behind when we leave this loka!). Manas is the interface between the Central Processing Unit (Soul?) and the rest of reality, such as the keyboard, the mouse, the monitor, the external hard drive, memory stick, the DVD writer and more? > > > > Hence MOON has been placed in a position of prominence and that Jyotish recommends as the default position when that is all we have to go by! Even by ancients who presumably did not have computers or silicon realities! Interesting, is it not? > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > > > this is true of all that comes from the mind and that involves MINDS, MINDSETS isnt it, change is inevitable but change is always resisted and pushes its way thru LIKE AGE. > > > RELIGIOUS, LITERARY, PHILOSOPHY, law , management , marketing... whatever be the filed it has changed has come about with RESSISTANCE. > > > > > > else people like Sir Adi Shankaracharya, swami vivekananda, ramanajucharya, Socretus, aristotle etc wud not be who they r, all faced innumerable walls ahead of them > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Friday, May 8, 2009 10:44:03 AM > > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > > > Science has always remained single-minded and pursued in its path, lonely at first when in puritanical times scientists were persecuted for telling or seeking the truth or simply for trying to explore it. > > > > > > Please note: I said: SCIENCE and not SCIENTISTS! > > > > > > I presume and hope that Astrology or Jyotish or Divination had been likewise too? > > > > > > Those who know more about that, please educate us... > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > It will be shocking for every one of us to hear that reverred science has reached stage of cross roads.An ecclectic approach is the last one inAstrology one can grope for.After all Music meastro may think fo as Instruments more or less have the sam bossz(lower string) can think of jazz geeting mixed up something of rock band.perhaps it is the strength of limbs and vocal chords that matter.but in our field it is never so for the reason what ever short comings one notices and dssatification in having not able to pronounce precision and accuracy.This science is certainly beyond every one in the matters relating 27 malkhtras and 7/9 planets. > > > > As seers have staked their wisdom and poured their by driving the darkness and unfloding the implication of cosmic we have become blessed.For us at this satge it is our lack of effort that could not see the fathoms of Astrology and pronounce with precision the implication. Softwares are products of humanwit and meant for application as conceieved by developers.For their appreciation accuracy/near to accuracy is the commercial projection that can bring recognition to software.For a product dveloped with certain boundaries/paramate rs,th results too will only be iwth in boundaries. > > > > Classicals were envisaged for timelss and boundary less usage.we are mining and continued to mine if only our aim is not to mix up various schools of thought only to go into deep to unfold rootcuase of planetory behaviours. > > > > So let's continue to have the group concentrate and base our working on these Texts with out mixing and convey with clarity how things may happen and anlyse how the happenings took place in the past. > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > > > > > a good post, u can se my reply to Vinay ji on the parasara question I had asked him also. > > > > > > > > Parasara from my recollection is the father, guru of Kainini a la Dronacharya, Ashwathamma father lesss but Guru more, > > > > > > > > he proposed a simple level of slokas but encryoted them in complex language > > > > > > > > and isnt it sttrange he came up with a opp version to his father and Guru > > > > > > > > a ravi-sani opposition=rebelous and acrimonious relationship with establishment, father, dharma etc. > > > > > > > > say a graha in Parasara school if in Vrudha avastha it is atmakaraka, or one just behind it is amatya karaka > > > > > > > > many yogakaraks in Parasari are Bhadakas in Jaimini. > > > > > > > > ppl mix systems and literally destroy the SUPERSTRUCTURE OF HOPE, GIUDENCE TO SUFFERING AND TROUBLED SOULS > > > > > > > > as if both r used we will never find a single shuba yoga possible, we will never find a shubha graha itself all yoga karaks r but Bhadakas...! > > > > so Gabdhis, Einsties, Michel jacksons,, sachin tendulkars, Obamas, hitlers or godse or in the past sri rama, sri krishna etc... > > > > > > > > one system one approach no kitchidi is desirable we will like western astrologers predict only fatelistacally. > > > > instead of a karmich based where we have results of past karma coming in good and bad ways even on a single day mixed events r possible. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM > > > > Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > > > > > > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! > > > > > > > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- > > > > > > > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. > > > > > > > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! > > > > > > > > The interesting observation is: > > > > > > > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! > > > > > > > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? > > > > > > > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? > > > > > > > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! > > > > > > > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). > > > > > > > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > > > > > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > > > > > > > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > > > > > > > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > > > > > > > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > > > > > > > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > > > > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > > > > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > > > > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > ============ ====== ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > > > > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > > > > > > > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > > > > > > > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > > > > > > > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > > > > > > > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > > > > > > > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > > > > > > > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 RR Ji, The sutra method of presentation was not for secrecy but for facilitating memorization by students of gurukulas, where these sutras were elaborated by teachers. Panini's Ashtadhyayi is a superb example of sutra technique, without which complete mastery of grammar by any individual would have remained impossible. Instead of regarding Jaimini's Upadesha Sutra as a later development, I think the extant versions of BPHS are much mutilated and interpolated versions, at least some of them. The sanathana version of BPHS, available at internet, has 100% of its verses difering from all other manuscripts, for instance, and is a clear proof of the fact that the internet version (sanathana version) of BPHS is a work of 20th century ! We need a a collective effort to collate all extant manuscripts of BPHS for bringing out its critical edition based on all reliable manuscripts. It is a herculean task. Some individuls are keeping manuscripts secretly, not allowing others a chance to see them. Presently, I am busy in translation and elucidation of some important ancient and mediaeval works of siddhantic Jyotisha with the help of some scholars of Prayaga and Kashi. But I have already started searching for manuscripts of BPHS. I request you to help us in this effort through your contacts. Manuscripts in various libraries may be photocopied and sent to us. -Vinay Jha. ===================== =============== ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:57:54 AM Re: Two cents -- if I may ...? Vinay ji, By " your " I was not intending any affiliation or ownership but in the sense of " as referred by you " . Sorry about my loose usage of Angla bhasha :-) You are not alone as I have heard from other Jyotishis, big and small good things about the Chowkhamba edition. But seriously, I have been intrigued by the 'codified' or encrypted if I may call it katapayadi presentation of Upadesh Sutras. Is it reasonable to assume that it is of more recent, paranoid, protective times whereas BPHS in its transparent lucidity (even the apabhramsha versions) indicates its origin in older, more benefic-hearted times? Your valuable comments will be appreciated, as to of other scholars and vedic historians (Jha ji -- by this I am not implying that you are a vedic historian, but there might be others more intersted in that aspect hence I am indicating that as part of the general invitation to others to comment). RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > RR Ji, > > Your points are good, excepting one " your Chowkhamba edition " . Chowkhamba edition is not mine. I know that this Chowkhamba edition was based on MANY manuscripts. I also know that Sanathana edition is based on a modern redaction of the whole BPHS by a modrn pandit. > > It is my firm belief that all extant versions of BPHS contain interpolations, but is is easy to recognize the original, which is systematic and lucid, in most parts. None of ancient or mediaevalastrologer s, as far as I know, was against either Parashara or Jaimini. There is nothing to suggest that Parashara and Jaimini followed contradictory systems. Jaimini's work is only partially preserved, only two chapters have survived. Hence, I believe all these can be taken to be part of a single system which we may call Parashari or vedic phalita (Parashari because it is the most comprehensive extant system). Other important systems, none of which being linked to any rishi, may be regarded as different or sometimes even antagonistic to this dominant system of Indian astrology. > > -Vinay Jha. > > ============ === ============ ==== > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Friday, May 8, 2009 7:20:48 AM > Two cents -- if I may ...? > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > This has been an ongoing confusion recently: Parashara vs What is not Parashari! > > The curious thing is, as I have pointed out a few times -- > > Parashara in BPHS gave the important principles that some choose to call Jaimini-specific and adopted by Parashara. Parashara has referred to many earlier works and earlier Rishis (hopefully in your Chowkhamba edition too) but never once mentioned this Jaimini Rishi. > > Jaimini Rishi too, did not mention Parashara! I am not sure if he mentioned Parashara in his writings, all of which may not be available to me! > > The interesting observation is: > > Parashara (as we know what He Writ, including this Chowkhambhaa edition!) has always written straight-forward and simply which even marginally sanskrit-knowing folks can figure out! > > Jaimini Ji, on the other hand, wrote in a coded manner - Katapayaadi? > > Explanations may abound galore but PARANOIA, I believe is a more recent phenomenon. Why would Jaimini Rishi feel the need to codify things so that they are not distorted and corrupted and make sure that it is encrypted -- just like our modern data, zipped and encrypted and password-protected? > > I am not venturing to say that that is an evidence of Parashara being from older times while Jaimini may be more recent, but one wonders! Even in a short time-frame, those in my father's generation kept a diary, with important and sometimes useless details, for anyone to read. The next generation started keeping diaries in locks and vaults and I have even seen diaries with locks on those! Then came the software with soft-locks and passwords separate for the reader and writer/editor, and wordperfect even allows one to add a simple or enhanced password, depending on how paranoid a reality one lives in! > > Many claim and promise or assure but never demonstrate or deliver and one wonders where the truth-lies (no double-entendre intended! Or oxymoronic phrase!!). > > I am sure this posting would be ill-recieved and twisted into something that goes on a tangent. Prove me to be wrong in that statement I made based on history! Recent History!! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > By Sage Parashara's system, I do not mean BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts alone, but all those works by others, esp ancient and mediaeval authors, who follow his system, because among all rishis only Parashara's phalita system has survived in detail. Those texts which have important differences do not come under Parashari system of predictive astrology. Only two chapters of Jaimini are extant. Sage Bhrihu's original work is lost, hence among rishis Parashara is our sole guide. Most or perhaps all ancient authors have followed Parashara's system to greater or lesser extent. > > > > We may find Parashara's views in books not written by him, and wrong views interpolated in BPHS. Even BPHS has many variants and almost all of them have smaller or bigger segments not actually written by Sage Parashara. Hence, Parashari is a system and not a particular book, although BPHS or Madhya or Laghu Parashari texts are most reliable texts which can help us to learn the original system of Sage Parashara. Unfortunately, no big effort has been made to collect all manuscripts of BPHS and to prepare a critical edition with reference to all variants, mainly because the ruling establishment of India has no interest in Phalita (althogh all of them, including many scientists, consult astrologers in private). > > > > I use BPHS of Chowkhamba because it was prepared after consulting a large number of manuscripts. But even this versions has doubtful passages. Therefore, we have to rely on our critical faculties. > > > > The basic rules used for assessing D1 apply to other vargas too. It is a moot point whether yogas apply to D1 alone or to other vargas too. My experience is that aspect has relevance in D1 only, which is natural because other vargas do not represent planets in their actual zodiacal position. > > > > As for shodashvargas, Parashara has not said much on predictive > > aspects. Shodashvarga- Prakash is a mediaeval text which throws more > > light on shodashvarga than any other text. It should be studied > > critically.Shodashv arga-Prakash has enumerated a large number of combinations which may be said to be special yogas pertinent to perticular vargas. > > > > -VJ > > > > ============ ====== ====== > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM > > Parasara-BPHS 7/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear vinay ji > > > > which version of BPHS r u using and can u list out other BPHS in circulation and differences in them- I mean older ones only > > > > the Venkteswara press one from Varanasi is widely respected. one more from Mumbai forgot the translator, and press > > > > the 1st said one I've seen justice kapoor of ICAS give excellent forecasts based on varga charts and again on traditional or establied calculations model used now > > > > he has a great library and quote from any work at will > > > > in dasamsa for instance based on the 10th lords location in the D10 chart and occupants in D10 it is given a name by parasara which almost describes the profesion literally > > > > say a metalergist for a engineer, or a accountat, a soldier, a priest a trader... v clearly this can also be used for birth time rectification incases where we see some mis-match > > > > Prashant > > > > * time constraints I am v in few mails todaytill 10th > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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