Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 I found this URL that may be of interest: http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/popclockworld.html According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. Very interesting...! RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: ><SNIP> > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > Sincerely, > > -VJ <SNIP> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Dear Sirs, The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216).But can never be wild claculations. Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorities but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption.For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless.But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and preciousness nature such great human efforts. Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations.But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments.But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings vrkrishnan vrkrishnan --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan World Population...? Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM I found this URL that may be of interest: http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. Very interesting. ..! RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: ><SNIP> > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > Sincerely, > > -VJ <SNIP> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Dear Krishnan Dada, Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216).But can never be wild claculations. > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorities but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption.For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless.But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and preciousness > nature such great human efforts. > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations.But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments.But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > vrkrishnan > vrkrishnan > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > World Population...? > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > Very interesting. ..! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > ><SNIP> > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > -VJ > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 RR JI, You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25 million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25 million new members in 2001 Census !! I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made public. -VJ ============== ===== ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM World Population...? I found this URL that may be of interest: http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. Very interesting. ..! RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: ><SNIP> > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > Sincerely, > > -VJ <SNIP> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, I hope u can explain the logic behind the B billion figure as Lakshmana rekha forget the Brahma vaak and the hell part. this line is overused I must say as doing our bit is what is in our control and doing it sincerely-fruits/results is left to god. so if we do this much rest is taken care of by god. HELL OR HEAVEN....! most of us do the job with a good degree of sincerity even the currupt politicians in their meanness they r sincere. Like the Pious priests, monks who r sincere to their work, life style in a simple non materialistic lifestyle=who leave all to the Almughty's grace in our village the temple priest hardly gets 3k a yr a income that too from select families. Givt -endowment ministry funds don't reach many...! prashant ________________________________ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Monday, May 11, 2009 10:34:47 AM Re: World Population...? RR JI, You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25 million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25 million new members in 2001 Census !! I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made public. -VJ ============ == ===== ____________ _________ _________ __ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM World Population.. .? I found this URL that may be of interest: http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. Very interesting. ..! RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: ><SNIP> > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > Sincerely, > > -VJ <SNIP> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Krishnan Ji, The simple things like rain forecasting which I have already proved before leading scientists of the world ( Click-Here ) are called " hoax claims " by a handful of " scientists " of astrological fora, who smell " commercial " intention in my free softwares. I am reluctant to reveal the details of population computations on such fora which has no place for any serious and first hand study of ancient siddhantas. I had filed a lawsuit against a recognized Sanskrit university, charging the latter to have an incompetent faculty not able to teach prescribed textbooks and therefore not able to make its panchanga according to its own principles. I won that lawsuit, after three pandit sabhas called by the Vice Chancellor after court order ( Click_Here ). Many pandits have become my enemies because I exposed their scholarship. But internet fora are different. You are free to refute any proof here, without forwarding any evidences in favour of your refutations. Do you think scientists of NASA and IISc were bribed by me to approve of my hoaxes ? You are struggling hard to refute almost all of my statements, without caring to test my claims in a scientific manner. For my population " claim " , many members here will certainly live for 1-2 decades, when the hollowness of current projections are proven wrong. I am full of confidence not because of some blind faith of siddhanta. No siddhanta mentions any population formula. My proof is an intricate work which few will understand. Please confine the debate to proving or disproving to simple things, like rain forecasts. Individual horoscopes of even celebrities have unreliable birth data, but annual rainfall data of past 136 years published by Indian Institute of tropical Meteorology (IITM, Pune) is a reliable dataset. Why you do not want to test my and (your methods) on the basis of this reliable dataset ? Make annul rain forecasts on the basis of Mesha Samkraanti national or international horoscopes and prove me wrong. If you accept this offer, you will find my method to be 100% accurate. Instead, you lost your normal balance which is so chacteristic of your style, and started mud slinging on a person who never earned a paisa out of astrology. I am repeating what I sent to RR Ji : You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25 million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25 million new members in 2001 Census !! I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made public. PS : But this article is too intricate to be discussed on a forum which has no expert of siddhantas. -VJ ================== =========== ________________________________ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Monday, May 11, 2009 7:04:07 AM Re: World Population...? Dear Sirs, The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and preciousness nature such great human efforts. Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings vrkrishnan vrkrishnan --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> World Population.. .? Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM I found this URL that may be of interest: http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. Very interesting. ..! RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: ><SNIP> > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > Sincerely, > > -VJ <SNIP> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Dear Shri Rohini Dada, There is lot of material around both physical and intutive things stemming from culture as well as our class.Rest assured we have immense faith in all such things.Interested scholars without any expectations work hard and make postulations ,try and test them for their efficacy.we all stand by them and also do undertake measures to test their postulations.Their confidence emnates from their hard work and their drive to do some thing different which can be of use to society.The difference however lies in the process of evaluations.Even classical writers when they have deliberated and oipned they never worry about counter claims and antagonism which ofcourse shall always have room for those interested.That is how the puddings finally come out cabins and placed for other commendations/criticism.we definitely appreciate the effort involved and hail all such solo efforts.we have no illfeelings to make issues for no reason.In a forum like this,both positive and negative views are bound to be there.One thing they are not meant to distrub pepace and piousness of efforts. I agree with you totally vrkrishnan --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: World Population...? Sunday, May 10, 2009, 10:12 PM Dear Krishnan Dada, Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and preciousness > nature such great human efforts. > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > vrkrishnan > vrkrishnan > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > World Population.. .? > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > Very interesting. ..! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > ><SNIP> > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > -VJ > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 RR JI, You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) ! Let us see what we get next ...! " You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs. -VJ ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM Re: World Population...? Dear Krishnan Dada, Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and preciousness > nature such great human efforts. > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > vrkrishnan > vrkrishnan > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > World Population.. .? > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > Very interesting. ..! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > ><SNIP> > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > -VJ > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Prashant Ji and others, I have to update incomplete English version of Kundalee, in addition to answering hundreds of emails I receive daily. I have agreed to present sufficient number of case studies on on internet. I do not think it is good to divert the topic to human population, because then I will not be able to present case studies you wanted. I am certainly able to explain the logic behind the untimate number 6227 millions (6227020800 exactly), but it should be reserved for future when I get over the task of case studies. The problem with case studies is that some members in AIA and JR have doubted the reliability of well known persons. Yes, the reliability of Indian birthdata is certainly questionable, because Indians often do not like to publish their exact birthtime. I have two birthtimes for Mr Jawaharlal Nehru. But many foreign dignitaries have well researched birthdata. A better alternative is to work on 136 years of annual rainfall data published by IITM (Indian Institute of Tropical Meteorology, Pune) on the basis of official IMD data. Let us compare Mesha Samkraanti charts of the best 10-20 and worst 10-20 years made from Suryasiddhanta and physical astronomy, and compare the results. These data are reliable, and interpreting horoscopes for rainfall involes less complexities because we do not need dashaas, divisionals, sudarshanachakra, ashtakavarga, etc in mundane astrology, and therefore the task of comparison between two mathematical methods is easy and lucid. -Vinay Jha =================== ==== ________________________________ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Monday, May 11, 2009 10:52:37 AM Re: World Population...? Dear Vinay ji, I hope u can explain the logic behind the B billion figure as Lakshmana rekha forget the Brahma vaak and the hell part. this line is overused I must say as doing our bit is what is in our control and doing it sincerely-fruits/ results is left to god. so if we do this much rest is taken care of by god. HELL OR HEAVEN....! most of us do the job with a good degree of sincerity even the currupt politicians in their meanness they r sincere. Like the Pious priests, monks who r sincere to their work, life style in a simple non materialistic lifestyle=who leave all to the Almughty's grace in our village the temple priest hardly gets 3k a yr a income that too from select families. Givt -endowment ministry funds don't reach many...! prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Monday, May 11, 2009 10:34:47 AM Re: World Population.. .? RR JI, You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25 million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25 million new members in 2001 Census !! I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made public. -VJ ============ == ===== ____________ _________ _________ __ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM World Population.. .? I found this URL that may be of interest: http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. Very interesting. ..! RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: ><SNIP> > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > Sincerely, > > -VJ <SNIP> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Dear Vinay Ji, Very commendable when you say " our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. " we have no hesitations to support your efforts nor do we intend a person who takes pride in his efforts be discouraged /demoralised with our writings.our expressions/opinions are not certainly directed any one but general in nature and ceratinly not attributable to you we pray and wish for your success and Almighty to give you courage and strength to fulfil your abjectives through your unselfish endeavours These limitations what ever you meant are factual but not to denigrate any body who is ready and willing to provide service without any expectation.we also think of the order of universe which probably other wise.Particulary we term present age as Klaiyuga what ever meaning and effect it has on the present age vrkrishnan --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Re: World Population...? Monday, May 11, 2009, 3:57 AM RR JI, You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) ! Let us see what we get next ...! " You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs. -VJ ____________ _________ _________ __ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM Re: World Population.. .? Dear Krishnan Dada, Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and preciousness > nature such great human efforts. > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > vrkrishnan > vrkrishnan > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > World Population.. .? > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > Very interesting. ..! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > ><SNIP> > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > -VJ > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Krishnan Ji, I thank you for your assurances that allegations about " commercial " intent in my " hoax claims " were not aimed at disturbing my efforts. I was not disturbed, I was sad that a good person was judging me in such terms prior to any tests. The problem with case studies is that some members in AIA and JR have doubted the reliability of well known persons. Yes, the reliability of Indian birthdata is certainly questionable, because Indians often do not like to publish their exact birthtime. I have two birthtimes for Mr Jawaharlal Nehru. But many foreign dignitaries have well researched birthdata. A better alternative is to work on 136 years of annual rainfall data published by IITM (Indian Institute of Tropical Meteorology, Pune) on the basis of official IMD data. Let us compare Mesha Samkraanti charts of the best 10-20 and worst 10-20 years made from Suryasiddhanta and physical astronomy, and compare the results. These data are reliable, and interpreting horoscopes for rainfall involes less complexities because we do not need dashaas, divisionals, sudarshanachakra, ashtakavarga, etc in mundane astrology, and therefore the task of comparison between two mathematical methods is easy and lucid. I have to update incomplete English version of Kundalee, in addition to answering hundreds of emails I receive daily. I have agreed to present sufficient number of case studies on on internet. I do not think it is good to divert the topic to human population, because then I will not be able to present case studies some members wanted. I am certainly able to explain the logic behind the untimate number 6227 millions (6227020800 exactly, which will enrage you further; but it is not a hoax claim, you will see it in your lifetime), but it should be reserved for future when I get over the task of case studies. -Vinay Jha =================== ==== ________________________________ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Monday, May 11, 2009 12:32:52 PM Re: World Population...? Dear Shri Rohini Dada, There is lot of material around both physical and intutive things stemming from culture as well as our class.Rest assured we have immense faith in all such things.Interested scholars without any expectations work hard and make postulations ,try and test them for their efficacy.we all stand by them and also do undertake measures to test their postulations. Their confidence emnates from their hard work and their drive to do some thing different which can be of use to society.The difference however lies in the process of evaluations. Even classical writers when they have deliberated and oipned they never worry about counter claims and antagonism which ofcourse shall always have room for those interested.That is how the puddings finally come out cabins and placed for other commendations/ criticism. we definitely appreciate the effort involved and hail all such solo efforts.we have no illfeelings to make issues for no reason.In a forum like this,both positive and negative views are bound to be there.One thing they are not meant to distrub pepace and piousness of efforts. I agree with you totally vrkrishnan --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Re: World Population.. .? Sunday, May 10, 2009, 10:12 PM Dear Krishnan Dada, Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and preciousness > nature such great human efforts. > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > vrkrishnan > vrkrishnan > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > World Population.. .? > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > Very interesting. ..! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > ><SNIP> > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > -VJ > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Krishnan ji, I had a very good opinion of you from your wrtings. I think there was some misunderstanding, which should be forgotten. I always avoided personal remarks against anybody, excepting Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya who refuses to read original texts but raises new theories of his own quoting those very texts which he does not read. But even in these personal remarks, I requested him to read original texts, and provided him links where he can get ancient Indian siddhantas & c. I request you to spend a few minutes to understand what I want to say. Please look at Click_Here which gives Prithvi Chakra and Desha Chakra, which are most important of sic chakras on which Koorma Chakra is based. This method uses fixed Raashi Chakras to make bhaavachalita on them, and used Sarvatobhadra for regional predictions. On that page, you will find two articles, one by me and another by current HOD of Jyotisha in a recognized Sanskrit university. You spoke of Kaliyuga. Look at its Suryasiddhantic horoscope Click_Here . I have started putting on a page which I will expand further : Click_Here , it contains comparison of official rainfall data with Suryasiddhantic Mesha Pravesha kundalis of the world. I've checked 136 years, this method is 100% accurate. I had sent predictions based on Desha Chakra of Bhaarata to 615 weather scientists. Report from Climate branch of NASA headquarters is Click_Here . On that page you will find a link to my paper accepted for international conference on Monsoons, where I was invited to present my paper : Click_Here to see the paper, which was very precise and short because I was asked to remove well known facts which experts already knew, and discuss only what is new. Hence, this paper will be a difficult reading for non-expert of weather science. Unfortunately, Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya called this paper a hoax !! Hence, the referees of IISc were to accept the paper of a cheat ! In Fig-11 on that page , you will find same Prithvi Chakra which I use in making rain (and other) forecasts. This method is ancient, and accurate. I avoided any reference to astrology or Suryasiddhanta, and therefore my paper was accepted by IISc and my forecasts were verified by NASA, but here in forums astrologers know me as an astrologer and are therefore prejudiced against me because of my use of an apparently outdated astronomy. They do not deserve Suryasiddhanta which is never outdated : it is fundamentally different from physical astronomy. I am fit for abuses for offering the undeserving lot this high science free of cost (this sentence is for those who abused me, often in obscene terms, without even touching Kundalee software). -Vinay Jha =============== ======= ________________________________ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Monday, May 11, 2009 1:42:10 PM Re: World Population...? Dear Vinay Ji, Very commendable when you say " our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. " we have no hesitations to support your efforts nor do we intend a person who takes pride in his efforts be discouraged /demoralised with our writings.our expressions/ opinions are not certainly directed any one but general in nature and ceratinly not attributable to you we pray and wish for your success and Almighty to give you courage and strength to fulfil your abjectives through your unselfish endeavours These limitations what ever you meant are factual but not to denigrate any body who is ready and willing to provide service without any expectation. we also think of the order of universe which probably other wise.Particulary we term present age as Klaiyuga what ever meaning and effect it has on the present age vrkrishnan --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Re: World Population.. .? Monday, May 11, 2009, 3:57 AM RR JI, You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) ! Let us see what we get next ...! " You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs. -VJ ____________ _________ _________ __ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM Re: World Population.. .? Dear Krishnan Dada, Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and preciousness > nature such great human efforts. > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > vrkrishnan > vrkrishnan > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > World Population.. .? > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > Very interesting. ..! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > ><SNIP> > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > -VJ > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Dear friends, This prediction about human population getting ultimately limited to 6227 Millions is very intersting and soothing. It would provide much relief to people[like me] worrying about Global Warming and cosequent bad effects. Inder , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > RR JI, > > You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) ! Let us see what we get next ...! " > > > You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs. > > -VJ > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM > Re: World Population...? > > > > > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. > > Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... > > Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. > > I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs, > > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. > > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and > preciousness > > nature such great human efforts. > > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > > vrkrishnan > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > World Population.. .? > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > > > Very interesting. ..! > > > > RR > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > ><SNIP> > > > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > -VJ > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Dear Inder, tru it is heartening to note that and we r aware from time to time the Bhoo Devi will do its best to restore quilibrium or balance of forces in the world. but this limit of 6227 Billion sounds a bit interesting and want to know why this no and nothing more or less.... and in what form will nature cut its nos to size the bird flu, swine flu, trunamis, terrorism have v little contribution on the numbers game... and with ever expanding W asian pouplation across the stan nations it is amazing to see it really happen. Prashant ________________________________ Inder <indervohra2001 Monday, May 11, 2009 5:51:43 PM Re: World Population...? Dear friends, This prediction about human population getting ultimately limited to 6227 Millions is very intersting and soothing. It would provide much relief to people[like me] worrying about Global Warming and cosequent bad effects. Inder , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > RR JI, > > You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) ! Let us see what we get next ...! " > > > You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs. > > -VJ > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM > Re: World Population.. .? > > > > > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. > > Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... > > Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. > > I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs, > > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. > > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and > preciousness > > nature such great human efforts. > > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > > vrkrishnan > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > World Population.. .? > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > > > Very interesting. ..! > > > > RR > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > ><SNIP> > > > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > -VJ > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Inder Ji, There is no threat to the world, on the whole. All Doomsdayers are doomed. -Vinay Jha =========== ============ ________________________________ Inder <indervohra2001 Monday, May 11, 2009 5:51:43 PM Re: World Population...? Dear friends, This prediction about human population getting ultimately limited to 6227 Millions is very intersting and soothing. It would provide much relief to people[like me] worrying about Global Warming and cosequent bad effects. Inder , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > RR JI, > > You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) ! Let us see what we get next ...! " > > > You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs. > > -VJ > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM > Re: World Population.. .? > > > > > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. > > Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... > > Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. > > I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs, > > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. > > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and > preciousness > > nature such great human efforts. > > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > > vrkrishnan > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > World Population.. .? > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > > > Very interesting. ..! > > > > RR > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > ><SNIP> > > > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > -VJ > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Dear Vinay Ji, While I have no difficulty accepting that some bureaucracies may be fudging some or all kinds of data for all kinds of reasons, I have a simple question: How will you, a serious researcher which I do not doubt at all that you are, or anyone count the population and really figure out what the true headcount is in the world at a given moment? I do realize that you seriously think about what I am asking and the impossibility of such a quest! And secondly, do you not believe in reincarnation as many of us hindus (and some other religions too) do? It is flattering ;-) that you make it sound as if I am never going to come back and be reborn but I have so much to learn from many human births still! As they say, I shall return and just as I do now in some ways, I shall remember certain things when I return and pick up my mission of observing the human beings and their wonderful richness, again and again. Including their claims, myths and beliefs and above all their quest of REALITY while they define it in so many ways, from so many perspectives. As to the census number, the number you quote of 6227 worldwide has already been surpassed given that the estimates and census 'data' could be underestimates and even they are hundreds of millions higher than this special and concrete number that you speak of. Like any child I was very much enticed by magic and magicians. A magician yogi came to our school and being the relative heavy weight he picked me out of the crowd and asked me to stand on him as he lay down on two long serrated saw blades! When he beckoned me to climb down, and showed his back with each saw-tooth showing as a distinct triangle of blanched skin growing reddish as we watched, I was very impressed and when all were gone, I asked him to teach me how he did it. I still remember his glance which was almost wistful as he replied sincerely, " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic, study and learn good things. " I was kind of crest-fallen but looking back I sense the sincerity in his gaze. Then a bit older, I had an occasion to watch the great showman magician P.C. Sorcar. He was a great showman and all jovial and wonderful but during an act he spilled some water on a hot flood light. The 2000Watt light popped into smithereens and the 'light' on the stage suddenly went down perceptibly. Within a few seconds, the jovial and all-powerful Great Magician turned into a quivering, neurotic, mess, face twisted, contorted in subdued anger as he urged his stage help to change the bulb " JAALDI KAARO! " . Only in these moments of stress which brings out the humanness that is within all of us and which indeed makes us human are the glimpses of reality! RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > RR JI, > > You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25 million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25 million new members in 2001 Census !! > > I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made public. > > -VJ > ============== ===== > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM > World Population...? > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > Very interesting. ..! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > ><SNIP> > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > -VJ > > <SNIP> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Dear Vinay Ji, Now that we are beginning to get down to the nitty gritty, it seems that even with the best method or whatever, one will remain limited by their human-ness and their inaccuracy may diminish from say 40% to 37.65%, no matter what. In that instance would it be wise to change the methodology and move to something different just because someone says so? I dont think that would be pragmatic. Now if someone were to move from 60% success rate to say 95% success rate by using a different technique or a different ayanamsha or whatever, and the improvement is shown in otherwise fairly human jyotishis (no extrasensory help!), that to me would indicate a successful clinical trial. Won't you agree? Has such a human trial been conducted anywhere in the world? Perhaps that is what we all should be focusing on rather than talking about numbers that we cannot possibly estimate, let along count, such as actual world population or astrological accuracy! Too much kheer is bad for the teeth and the body... RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > RR JI, > > You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) ! Let us see what we get next ...! " > > > You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs. > > -VJ > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM > Re: World Population...? > > > > > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. > > Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... > > Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. > > I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs, > > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. > > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and > preciousness > > nature such great human efforts. > > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > > vrkrishnan > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > World Population.. .? > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > > > Very interesting. ..! > > > > RR > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > ><SNIP> > > > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > -VJ > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Inderji, Sadly, it seems that this 'number' may already have been overshot and is now being scaled back to the 'optimum' (dont ask me for the source!) through war, genocide, tsunamis and locusts etc... Kaliyuga in full swing! RR , " Inder " <indervohra2001 wrote: > > Dear friends, > This prediction about human population getting ultimately limited to 6227 Millions is very intersting and soothing. > It would provide much relief to people[like me] worrying about Global Warming and cosequent bad effects. > Inder > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > RR JI, > > > > You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) ! Let us see what we get next ...! " > > > > > > You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs. > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@> > > > > Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM > > Re: World Population...? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > > > Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. > > > > Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... > > > > Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. > > > > I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! > > > > RR > > > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. > > > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > > > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and > > preciousness > > > nature such great human efforts. > > > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > > > vrkrishnan > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > World Population.. .? > > > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > > > > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > > > > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > > > > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > > > > > Very interesting. ..! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > ><SNIP> > > > > > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, I do not believe at all that anyone is doomed: Doomsdayers or Doom-sayers! When the finest creation of God and Nature, if may so arrogantly say -- Human beings perish, they are either returned to Water (Naval burial), earth (if one is Christian or Muslim etc) or fire (Hindus and a few others) but what about the fourth element? Air?? If you read about the way Parsis and Tibetans return their dead away back to the elements, they may not be sending them back to air directly, but they do send them back to those who live in the air (birds). The fifth element Akasha is not forgotten either! It receives what is left: The soul! RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Inder Ji, > > There is no threat to the world, on the whole. All Doomsdayers are doomed. > > -Vinay Jha > > =========== ============ > > > ________________________________ > Inder <indervohra2001 > > Monday, May 11, 2009 5:51:43 PM > Re: World Population...? > > > > > > Dear friends, > This prediction about human population getting ultimately limited to 6227 Millions is very intersting and soothing. > It would provide much relief to people[like me] worrying about Global Warming and cosequent bad effects. > Inder > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > RR JI, > > > > You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) ! Let us see what we get next ...! " > > > > > > You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs. > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM > > Re: World Population.. .? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > > > Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. > > > > Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... > > > > Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. > > > > I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! > > > > RR > > > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. > > > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > > > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and > > preciousness > > > nature such great human efforts. > > > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > > > vrkrishnan > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > World Population.. .? > > > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > > > > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > > > > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > > > > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > > > > > Very interesting. ..! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > ><SNIP> > > > > > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Dear Dada, What is needed to understand is " " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic, study and learn good things. " The forum has to get into some kind of learning that really supports the group and time. with regards vrkrishnan --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: World Population...? Monday, May 11, 2009, 7:09 PM Dear Vinay Ji, While I have no difficulty accepting that some bureaucracies may be fudging some or all kinds of data for all kinds of reasons, I have a simple question: How will you, a serious researcher which I do not doubt at all that you are, or anyone count the population and really figure out what the true headcount is in the world at a given moment? I do realize that you seriously think about what I am asking and the impossibility of such a quest! And secondly, do you not believe in reincarnation as many of us hindus (and some other religions too) do? It is flattering ;-) that you make it sound as if I am never going to come back and be reborn but I have so much to learn from many human births still! As they say, I shall return and just as I do now in some ways, I shall remember certain things when I return and pick up my mission of observing the human beings and their wonderful richness, again and again. Including their claims, myths and beliefs and above all their quest of REALITY while they define it in so many ways, from so many perspectives. As to the census number, the number you quote of 6227 worldwide has already been surpassed given that the estimates and census 'data' could be underestimates and even they are hundreds of millions higher than this special and concrete number that you speak of. Like any child I was very much enticed by magic and magicians. A magician yogi came to our school and being the relative heavy weight he picked me out of the crowd and asked me to stand on him as he lay down on two long serrated saw blades! When he beckoned me to climb down, and showed his back with each saw-tooth showing as a distinct triangle of blanched skin growing reddish as we watched, I was very impressed and when all were gone, I asked him to teach me how he did it. I still remember his glance which was almost wistful as he replied sincerely, " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic, study and learn good things. " I was kind of crest-fallen but looking back I sense the sincerity in his gaze. Then a bit older, I had an occasion to watch the great showman magician P.C. Sorcar. He was a great showman and all jovial and wonderful but during an act he spilled some water on a hot flood light. The 2000Watt light popped into smithereens and the 'light' on the stage suddenly went down perceptibly. Within a few seconds, the jovial and all-powerful Great Magician turned into a quivering, neurotic, mess, face twisted, contorted in subdued anger as he urged his stage help to change the bulb " JAALDI KAARO! " . Only in these moments of stress which brings out the humanness that is within all of us and which indeed makes us human are the glimpses of reality! RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > RR JI, > > You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25 million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25 million new members in 2001 Census !! > > I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made public. > > -VJ > ============ == ===== > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM > World Population.. .? > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > Very interesting. ..! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > ><SNIP> > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > -VJ > > <SNIP> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 For me, Dada, it has always been very simple and straight forward! " Stop pretending to be the teacher or give the false impression that you have something special to teach, ad nauseum! " " KHNORRRRR... " Chela got anxious! OH GOD NO! " But $wamiji ..., when was the train going to arrive? What o clock? " With $ji snoring away happily dreaming about some Elysian Fields Eternal and similar Eidetic imagery -- the orphan kitten that TA was could not just wait motionless. Leos are exploratory by inherent nature and particularly when that is the dharma. She roamed around in the dark railway station and found the TIMETABLE. The station was dark but cats can see better in the dark! They do not need a lot of LIGHT to figure out things as they truly are or for that matter, " The Shape of Things to Come! " I am sure some of you have read that book -- ;-) , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Dada, > What is needed to understand is " " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic, study and learn good things. " > The forum has to get into some kind of learning that really supports the group and time. > with regards > vrkrishnan > > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: World Population...? > > Monday, May 11, 2009, 7:09 PM > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > While I have no difficulty accepting that some bureaucracies may be fudging some or all kinds of data for all kinds of reasons, I have a simple question: > > How will you, a serious researcher which I do not doubt at all that you are, or anyone count the population and really figure out what the true headcount is in the world at a given moment? I do realize that you seriously think about what I am asking and the impossibility of such a quest! > > And secondly, do you not believe in reincarnation as many of us hindus (and some other religions too) do? It is flattering ;-) that you make it sound as if I am never going to come back and be reborn but I have so much to learn from many human births still! As they say, I shall return and just as I do now in some ways, I shall remember certain things when I return and pick up my mission of observing the human beings and their wonderful richness, again and again. Including their claims, myths and beliefs and above all their quest of REALITY while they define it in so many ways, from so many perspectives. > > As to the census number, the number you quote of 6227 worldwide has already been surpassed given that the estimates and census 'data' could be underestimates and even they are hundreds of millions higher than this special and concrete number that you speak of. > > Like any child I was very much enticed by magic and magicians. A magician yogi came to our school and being the relative heavy weight he picked me out of the crowd and asked me to stand on him as he lay down on two long serrated saw blades! When he beckoned me to climb down, and showed his back with each saw-tooth showing as a distinct triangle of blanched skin growing reddish as we watched, I was very impressed and when all were gone, I asked him to teach me how he did it. I still remember his glance which was almost wistful as he replied sincerely, " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic, study and learn good things. " I was kind of crest-fallen but looking back I sense the sincerity in his gaze. > > Then a bit older, I had an occasion to watch the great showman magician P.C. Sorcar. He was a great showman and all jovial and wonderful but during an act he spilled some water on a hot flood light. The 2000Watt light popped into smithereens and the 'light' on the stage suddenly went down perceptibly. Within a few seconds, the jovial and all-powerful Great Magician turned into a quivering, neurotic, mess, face twisted, contorted in subdued anger as he urged his stage help to change the bulb " JAALDI KAARO! " . > > Only in these moments of stress which brings out the humanness that is within all of us and which indeed makes us human are the glimpses of reality! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > RR JI, > > > > You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25 million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25 million new members in 2001 Census !! > > > > I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made public. > > > > -VJ > > ============ == ===== > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM > > World Population.. .? > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > > > Very interesting. ..! > > > > RR > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > ><SNIP> > > > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > -VJ > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Dear Shri Rohini Dada Certain things when comes as a recapitulation and timely it helps.I enjoyed the anecdote as $wamy Ji regards vrkishnan --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: World Population...? Monday, May 11, 2009, 9:55 PM For me, Dada, it has always been very simple and straight forward! " Stop pretending to be the teacher or give the false impression that you have something special to teach, ad nauseum! " " KHNORRRRR.. . " Chela got anxious! OH GOD NO! " But $wamiji ..., when was the train going to arrive? What o clock? " With $ji snoring away happily dreaming about some Elysian Fields Eternal and similar Eidetic imagery -- the orphan kitten that TA was could not just wait motionless. Leos are exploratory by inherent nature and particularly when that is the dharma. She roamed around in the dark railway station and found the TIMETABLE. The station was dark but cats can see better in the dark! They do not need a lot of LIGHT to figure out things as they truly are or for that matter, " The Shape of Things to Come! " I am sure some of you have read that book -- ;-) , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Dada, > What is needed to understand is " " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic, study and learn good things. " > The forum has to get into some kind of learning that really supports the group and time. > with regards > vrkrishnan > > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > Re: World Population.. .? > > Monday, May 11, 2009, 7:09 PM > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > While I have no difficulty accepting that some bureaucracies may be fudging some or all kinds of data for all kinds of reasons, I have a simple question: > > How will you, a serious researcher which I do not doubt at all that you are, or anyone count the population and really figure out what the true headcount is in the world at a given moment? I do realize that you seriously think about what I am asking and the impossibility of such a quest! > > And secondly, do you not believe in reincarnation as many of us hindus (and some other religions too) do? It is flattering ;-) that you make it sound as if I am never going to come back and be reborn but I have so much to learn from many human births still! As they say, I shall return and just as I do now in some ways, I shall remember certain things when I return and pick up my mission of observing the human beings and their wonderful richness, again and again. Including their claims, myths and beliefs and above all their quest of REALITY while they define it in so many ways, from so many perspectives. > > As to the census number, the number you quote of 6227 worldwide has already been surpassed given that the estimates and census 'data' could be underestimates and even they are hundreds of millions higher than this special and concrete number that you speak of. > > Like any child I was very much enticed by magic and magicians. A magician yogi came to our school and being the relative heavy weight he picked me out of the crowd and asked me to stand on him as he lay down on two long serrated saw blades! When he beckoned me to climb down, and showed his back with each saw-tooth showing as a distinct triangle of blanched skin growing reddish as we watched, I was very impressed and when all were gone, I asked him to teach me how he did it. I still remember his glance which was almost wistful as he replied sincerely, " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic, study and learn good things. " I was kind of crest-fallen but looking back I sense the sincerity in his gaze. > > Then a bit older, I had an occasion to watch the great showman magician P.C. Sorcar. He was a great showman and all jovial and wonderful but during an act he spilled some water on a hot flood light. The 2000Watt light popped into smithereens and the 'light' on the stage suddenly went down perceptibly. Within a few seconds, the jovial and all-powerful Great Magician turned into a quivering, neurotic, mess, face twisted, contorted in subdued anger as he urged his stage help to change the bulb " JAALDI KAARO! " . > > Only in these moments of stress which brings out the humanness that is within all of us and which indeed makes us human are the glimpses of reality! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > RR JI, > > > > You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25 million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25 million new members in 2001 Census !! > > > > I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made public. > > > > -VJ > > ============ == ===== > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM > > World Population.. .? > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > > > Very interesting. ..! > > > > RR > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > ><SNIP> > > > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > -VJ > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I am happy that you did. There is no train and no station, for the human essence is always moving and never static. When it stops, all it sees is death, gloom and despondancy! Saturn would do that, astrologically speaking, of course...! But cats have Manda in the 7th and 8th houses. I think experiential astrologers as opposed to those that know it all but would not or cannot tell <?> should begin at the beginning and go from there. What could be a beginning other than kalpurusha's kundali? A beginning that in some ways has always reminded me of the Sudarshana Kundali where in BPHS (even the corrupted editions!) was given the clue that was wonderful and gratefully received by the orphan kitten! , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Shri Rohini Dada > Certain things when comes as a recapitulation and timely it helps.I enjoyed the anecdote as $wamy Ji > regards vrkishnan > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: World Population...? > > Monday, May 11, 2009, 9:55 PM > > For me, Dada, it has always been very simple and straight forward! > > " Stop pretending to be the teacher or give the false impression that you have something special to teach, ad nauseum! " > > " KHNORRRRR.. . " > > Chela got anxious! OH GOD NO! > > " But $wamiji ..., when was the train going to arrive? What o clock? " > > With $ji snoring away happily dreaming about some Elysian Fields Eternal and similar Eidetic imagery -- the orphan kitten that TA was could not just wait motionless. Leos are exploratory by inherent nature and particularly when that is the dharma. She roamed around in the dark railway station and found the TIMETABLE. The station was dark but cats can see better in the dark! They do not need a lot of LIGHT to figure out things as they truly are or for that matter, " The Shape of Things to Come! " I am sure some of you have read that book -- ;-) > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Dada, > > What is needed to understand is " " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic, study and learn good things. " > > The forum has to get into some kind of learning that really supports the group and time. > > with regards > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Re: World Population.. .? > > > > Monday, May 11, 2009, 7:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > > > While I have no difficulty accepting that some bureaucracies may be fudging some or all kinds of data for all kinds of reasons, I have a simple question: > > > > How will you, a serious researcher which I do not doubt at all that you are, or anyone count the population and really figure out what the true headcount is in the world at a given moment? I do realize that you seriously think about what I am asking and the impossibility of such a quest! > > > > And secondly, do you not believe in reincarnation as many of us hindus (and some other religions too) do? It is flattering ;-) that you make it sound as if I am never going to come back and be reborn but I have so much to learn from many human births still! As they say, I shall return and just as I do now in some ways, I shall remember certain things when I return and pick up my mission of observing the human beings and their wonderful richness, again and again. Including their claims, myths and beliefs and above all their quest of REALITY while they define it in so many ways, from so many perspectives. > > > > As to the census number, the number you quote of 6227 worldwide has already been surpassed given that the estimates and census 'data' could be underestimates and even they are hundreds of millions higher than this special and concrete number that you speak of. > > > > Like any child I was very much enticed by magic and magicians. A magician yogi came to our school and being the relative heavy weight he picked me out of the crowd and asked me to stand on him as he lay down on two long serrated saw blades! When he beckoned me to climb down, and showed his back with each saw-tooth showing as a distinct triangle of blanched skin growing reddish as we watched, I was very impressed and when all were gone, I asked him to teach me how he did it. I still remember his glance which was almost wistful as he replied sincerely, " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic, study and learn good things. " I was kind of crest-fallen but looking back I sense the sincerity in his gaze. > > > > Then a bit older, I had an occasion to watch the great showman magician P.C. Sorcar. He was a great showman and all jovial and wonderful but during an act he spilled some water on a hot flood light. The 2000Watt light popped into smithereens and the 'light' on the stage suddenly went down perceptibly. Within a few seconds, the jovial and all-powerful Great Magician turned into a quivering, neurotic, mess, face twisted, contorted in subdued anger as he urged his stage help to change the bulb " JAALDI KAARO! " . > > > > Only in these moments of stress which brings out the humanness that is within all of us and which indeed makes us human are the glimpses of reality! > > > > RR > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > RR JI, > > > > > > You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25 million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25 million new members in 2001 Census !! > > > > > > I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made public. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ============ == ===== > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM > > > World Population.. .? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > > > > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > > > > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > > > > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > > > > > Very interesting. ..! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > ><SNIP> > > > > > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I hope " sensible " persons will keep away from " crap " (nonsense) like Saamkhya & c and will devote their precious time to precious things. -VJ ________________________________ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:12:39 AM Re: World Population...? Dear Dada, What is needed to understand is " " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic, study and learn good things. " The forum has to get into some kind of learning that really supports the group and time. with regards vrkrishnan --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Re: World Population.. .? Monday, May 11, 2009, 7:09 PM Dear Vinay Ji, While I have no difficulty accepting that some bureaucracies may be fudging some or all kinds of data for all kinds of reasons, I have a simple question: How will you, a serious researcher which I do not doubt at all that you are, or anyone count the population and really figure out what the true headcount is in the world at a given moment? I do realize that you seriously think about what I am asking and the impossibility of such a quest! And secondly, do you not believe in reincarnation as many of us hindus (and some other religions too) do? It is flattering ;-) that you make it sound as if I am never going to come back and be reborn but I have so much to learn from many human births still! As they say, I shall return and just as I do now in some ways, I shall remember certain things when I return and pick up my mission of observing the human beings and their wonderful richness, again and again. Including their claims, myths and beliefs and above all their quest of REALITY while they define it in so many ways, from so many perspectives. As to the census number, the number you quote of 6227 worldwide has already been surpassed given that the estimates and census 'data' could be underestimates and even they are hundreds of millions higher than this special and concrete number that you speak of. Like any child I was very much enticed by magic and magicians. A magician yogi came to our school and being the relative heavy weight he picked me out of the crowd and asked me to stand on him as he lay down on two long serrated saw blades! When he beckoned me to climb down, and showed his back with each saw-tooth showing as a distinct triangle of blanched skin growing reddish as we watched, I was very impressed and when all were gone, I asked him to teach me how he did it. I still remember his glance which was almost wistful as he replied sincerely, " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic, study and learn good things. " I was kind of crest-fallen but looking back I sense the sincerity in his gaze. Then a bit older, I had an occasion to watch the great showman magician P.C. Sorcar. He was a great showman and all jovial and wonderful but during an act he spilled some water on a hot flood light. The 2000Watt light popped into smithereens and the 'light' on the stage suddenly went down perceptibly. Within a few seconds, the jovial and all-powerful Great Magician turned into a quivering, neurotic, mess, face twisted, contorted in subdued anger as he urged his stage help to change the bulb " JAALDI KAARO! " . Only in these moments of stress which brings out the humanness that is within all of us and which indeed makes us human are the glimpses of reality! RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > RR JI, > > You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25 million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25 million new members in 2001 Census !! > > I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made public. > > -VJ > ============ == ===== > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM > World Population.. .? > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > Very interesting. ..! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > ><SNIP> > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > -VJ > > <SNIP> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Stop pretending to be the teacher or give the false impression that you have something special to teach, ad nauseum ???? ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:25:05 AM Re: World Population...? For me, Dada, it has always been very simple and straight forward! " Stop pretending to be the teacher or give the false impression that you have something special to teach, ad nauseum! " " KHNORRRRR.. . " Chela got anxious! OH GOD NO! " But $wamiji ..., when was the train going to arrive? What o clock? " With $ji snoring away happily dreaming about some Elysian Fields Eternal and similar Eidetic imagery -- the orphan kitten that TA was could not just wait motionless. Leos are exploratory by inherent nature and particularly when that is the dharma. She roamed around in the dark railway station and found the TIMETABLE. The station was dark but cats can see better in the dark! They do not need a lot of LIGHT to figure out things as they truly are or for that matter, " The Shape of Things to Come! " I am sure some of you have read that book -- ;-) , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Dada, > What is needed to understand is " " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic, study and learn good things. " > The forum has to get into some kind of learning that really supports the group and time. > with regards > vrkrishnan > > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > Re: World Population.. .? > > Monday, May 11, 2009, 7:09 PM > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > While I have no difficulty accepting that some bureaucracies may be fudging some or all kinds of data for all kinds of reasons, I have a simple question: > > How will you, a serious researcher which I do not doubt at all that you are, or anyone count the population and really figure out what the true headcount is in the world at a given moment? I do realize that you seriously think about what I am asking and the impossibility of such a quest! > > And secondly, do you not believe in reincarnation as many of us hindus (and some other religions too) do? It is flattering ;-) that you make it sound as if I am never going to come back and be reborn but I have so much to learn from many human births still! As they say, I shall return and just as I do now in some ways, I shall remember certain things when I return and pick up my mission of observing the human beings and their wonderful richness, again and again. Including their claims, myths and beliefs and above all their quest of REALITY while they define it in so many ways, from so many perspectives. > > As to the census number, the number you quote of 6227 worldwide has already been surpassed given that the estimates and census 'data' could be underestimates and even they are hundreds of millions higher than this special and concrete number that you speak of. > > Like any child I was very much enticed by magic and magicians. A magician yogi came to our school and being the relative heavy weight he picked me out of the crowd and asked me to stand on him as he lay down on two long serrated saw blades! When he beckoned me to climb down, and showed his back with each saw-tooth showing as a distinct triangle of blanched skin growing reddish as we watched, I was very impressed and when all were gone, I asked him to teach me how he did it. I still remember his glance which was almost wistful as he replied sincerely, " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic, study and learn good things. " I was kind of crest-fallen but looking back I sense the sincerity in his gaze. > > Then a bit older, I had an occasion to watch the great showman magician P.C. Sorcar. He was a great showman and all jovial and wonderful but during an act he spilled some water on a hot flood light. The 2000Watt light popped into smithereens and the 'light' on the stage suddenly went down perceptibly. Within a few seconds, the jovial and all-powerful Great Magician turned into a quivering, neurotic, mess, face twisted, contorted in subdued anger as he urged his stage help to change the bulb " JAALDI KAARO! " . > > Only in these moments of stress which brings out the humanness that is within all of us and which indeed makes us human are the glimpses of reality! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > RR JI, > > > > You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25 million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25 million new members in 2001 Census !! > > > > I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made public. > > > > -VJ > > ============ == ===== > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM > > World Population.. .? > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > > > Very interesting. ..! > > > > RR > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > ><SNIP> > > > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > -VJ > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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