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I found this URL that may be of interest:

 

http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/popclockworld.html

 

According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and

counting.

 

It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

 

Very interesting...!

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

><SNIP>

>

> Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> -VJ

 

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Dear Sirs,

The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical

compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09   

6,790,062,216).But can never be wild claculations.

Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be

explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various

siddhantas/authorities but very faithfully with out trying to read much into

these pronouncements.

I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study

in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption.For that he

utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense

intrinsic value.Any information/revealation that comes out of such great human

enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one

intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do

that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is

not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter

bad and meaningless.But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate

gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the

need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products

on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant

for value addition and preciousness

nature such great human efforts.

Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and

prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane

endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for

insinnuations.But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments.But

these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except

appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be

done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are

divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense

one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank

opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings

vrkrishnan

vrkrishnan 

 

 

--- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

World Population...?

 

Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I found this URL that may be of interest:

 

http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

 

According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and

counting.

 

It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

 

Very interesting. ..!

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

><SNIP>

>

> Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> -VJ

 

<SNIP>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Krishnan Dada,

 

Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on

census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression

goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking

place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but

underestimates as all know.

 

Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been

100% accurate with their predictions etc...

 

Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given

his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish

for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends

and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best

astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall.

 

I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within!

Let us see what we get next ...!

 

RR

 

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Sirs,

> The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these

statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _

2%( 07/01/09    6,790,062,216).But can never be wild claculations.

> Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be

explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various

siddhantas/authorities but very faithfully with out trying to read much into

these pronouncements.

> I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary

study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption.For

that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense

intrinsic value.Any information/revealation that comes out of such great human

enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one

intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do

that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is

not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter

bad and meaningless.But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate

gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the

need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products

on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant

for value addition and preciousness

> nature such great human efforts.

> Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and

prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane

endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for

insinnuations.But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments.But

these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except

appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be

done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are

divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense

one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank

opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings

> vrkrishnan

> vrkrishnan 

>

>

> --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> World Population...?

>

> Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM

>

>

I found this URL that may be of interest:

>

> http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

>

> According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and

counting.

>

> It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

>

> Very interesting. ..!

>

> RR

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> ><SNIP>

> >

> > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > -VJ

>

> <SNIP>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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RR JI,

 

You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of

experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither

overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are

estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a

corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of

India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25

million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember

whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous

census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25

million new members in 2001 Census !!

 

I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come

true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am

wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made

public.

 

-VJ

============== =====

 

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

 

Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM

World Population...?

 

 

 

 

 

I found this URL that may be of interest:

 

http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

 

According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and

counting.

 

It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

 

Very interesting. ..!

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

><SNIP>

>

> Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> -VJ

 

<SNIP>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Vinay ji,

 

I hope u can explain the logic behind the B billion figure as Lakshmana rekha

 

forget the Brahma vaak and the hell part. this line is overused I must say as

doing our bit is what is in our control and doing it sincerely-fruits/results

is left to god. so if we do this much rest is taken care of by god. HELL OR

HEAVEN....! most of us do the job with a good degree of sincerity even the

currupt politicians in their meanness they r sincere. Like the Pious priests,

monks who r sincere to their work, life style in a simple non materialistic

lifestyle=who leave all to the Almughty's grace in our village the temple priest

hardly gets 3k a yr a income that too from select families. Givt -endowment

ministry funds don't reach many...!

 

prashant

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

 

Monday, May 11, 2009 10:34:47 AM

Re: World Population...?

 

 

 

 

 

RR JI,

 

You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of

experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither

overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are

estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a

corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of

India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25

million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember

whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous

census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25

million new members in 2001 Census !!

 

I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come

true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am

wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made

public.

 

-VJ

============ == =====

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

 

Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM

World Population.. .?

 

I found this URL that may be of interest:

 

http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

 

According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and

counting.

 

It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

 

Very interesting. ..!

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

><SNIP>

>

> Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> -VJ

 

<SNIP>

 

 

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Krishnan Ji,

 

The simple things like rain forecasting which I have already proved before

leading scientists of the world ( Click-Here ) are called " hoax claims " by a

handful of " scientists " of astrological fora, who smell " commercial "

intention in my free softwares. I am reluctant to reveal the details of

population computations on such fora which has no place for any serious and

first hand study of ancient siddhantas. I had filed a lawsuit against a

recognized Sanskrit university, charging the latter to have an incompetent

faculty not able to teach prescribed textbooks and therefore not able to make

its panchanga according to its own principles. I won that lawsuit, after three

pandit sabhas called by the Vice Chancellor after court order ( Click_Here ).

Many pandits have become my enemies because I exposed their scholarship.

 

But internet fora are different. You are free to refute any proof here, without

forwarding any evidences in favour of your refutations. Do you think scientists

of NASA and IISc were bribed by me to approve of my hoaxes ? You are

struggling hard to refute almost all of my statements, without caring to test my

claims in a scientific manner. For my population " claim " , many members

here will certainly live for 1-2 decades, when the hollowness of current

projections are proven wrong. I am full of confidence not because of some blind

faith of siddhanta. No siddhanta mentions any population formula. My proof is an

intricate work which few will understand. Please confine the debate to proving

or disproving to simple things, like rain forecasts. Individual horoscopes of

even celebrities have unreliable birth data, but annual rainfall data of past

136 years published by Indian Institute of tropical Meteorology (IITM, Pune) is

a reliable dataset. Why you

do not want to test my and (your methods) on the basis of this reliable dataset

? Make annul rain forecasts on the basis of Mesha Samkraanti national or

international horoscopes and prove me wrong. If you accept this offer, you will

find my method to be 100% accurate. Instead, you lost your normal balance which

is so chacteristic of your style, and started mud slinging on a person who never

earned a paisa out of astrology.

 

I am repeating what I sent to RR Ji :

 

You are citing figures based on projections of past

trends. I have years of experience in serious research works in

demography. Census figures are neither overestimates nor

underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are estimates made

from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a corrupt

bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times

of India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India,

which showed ~25 million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i

do not exactly remember whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age

group 10 years junior in previous census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5

0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25 million new members in 2001

Census !!

 

I hope and pray that you will live long to

see my figure (6227 millions) come true. I have used the term

Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am wrong. I can send

you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made public.

 

PS : But this article is too intricate to be discussed on a forum which has no

expert of siddhantas.

 

-VJ

================== ===========

 

 

________________________________

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

 

Monday, May 11, 2009 7:04:07 AM

Re: World Population...?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical

compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09

6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations.

Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be

explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various

siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into

these pronouncements.

I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study

in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that

he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense

intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human

enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one

intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do

that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is

not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter

bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate

gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the

need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products

on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant

for value addition and

preciousness

nature such great human efforts.

Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and

prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane

endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for

insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But

these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except

appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be

done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are

divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense

one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank

opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings

vrkrishnan

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

World Population.. .?

 

Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM

 

I found this URL that may be of interest:

 

http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

 

According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and

counting.

 

It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

 

Very interesting. ..!

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

><SNIP>

>

> Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> -VJ

 

<SNIP>

 

 

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Dear Shri Rohini Dada,

There is lot of material around both physical and intutive things stemming from

culture as well as our class.Rest assured we have immense faith in all such

things.Interested scholars without any expectations work hard and make

postulations ,try and test them for their efficacy.we all stand by them and also

do undertake measures to test their postulations.Their confidence emnates from

their hard work and their drive to do some thing different which can be of use

to society.The difference however lies in the process of evaluations.Even

classical writers when they have deliberated and oipned they never worry about

counter claims and antagonism which ofcourse shall always have room for those

interested.That is how the puddings finally come out cabins and placed for other

commendations/criticism.we definitely appreciate the effort involved and hail

all such solo efforts.we have no illfeelings to make issues for no reason.In a

forum like this,both positive

and negative views are bound to be there.One thing they are not meant to

distrub pepace and piousness of efforts.

I agree with you totally

vrkrishnan 

 

--- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: World Population...?

 

Sunday, May 10, 2009, 10:12 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishnan Dada,

 

Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on

census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression

goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking

place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but

underestimates as all know.

 

Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been

100% accurate with their predictions etc...

 

Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given

his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish

for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends

and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best

astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall.

 

I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within!

Let us see what we get next ...!

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sirs,

> The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these

statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _

2%( 07/01/09    6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations.

> Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be

explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various

siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into

these pronouncements.

> I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary

study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For

that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense

intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human

enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one

intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do

that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is

not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter

bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate

gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the

need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products

on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant

for value addition and

preciousness

> nature such great human efforts.

> Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and

prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane

endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for

insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But

these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except

appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be

done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are

divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense

one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank

opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings

> vrkrishnan

> vrkrishnan 

>

>

> --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> World Population.. .?

>

> Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM

>

>

I found this URL that may be of interest:

>

> http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

>

> According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and

counting.

>

> It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

>

> Very interesting. ..!

>

> RR

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> ><SNIP>

> >

> > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > -VJ

>

> <SNIP>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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RR JI,

 

You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) !

Let us see what we get next ...! "

 

 

You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put

it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct

; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate,

provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There

are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those

charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the

method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate

my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of

emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete.

Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs.

 

-VJ

 

 

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Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

 

Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM

Re: World Population...?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishnan Dada,

 

Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on

census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression

goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking

place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but

underestimates as all know.

 

Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been

100% accurate with their predictions etc...

 

Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given

his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish

for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends

and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best

astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall.

 

I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within!

Let us see what we get next ...!

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sirs,

> The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these

statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09

6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations.

> Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be

explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various

siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into

these pronouncements.

> I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary

study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For

that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense

intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human

enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one

intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do

that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is

not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter

bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate

gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the

need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products

on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant

for value addition and

preciousness

> nature such great human efforts.

> Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and

prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane

endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for

insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But

these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except

appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be

done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are

divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense

one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank

opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings

> vrkrishnan

> vrkrishnan

>

>

> --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> World Population.. .?

>

> Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM

>

>

I found this URL that may be of interest:

>

> http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

>

> According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and

counting.

>

> It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

>

> Very interesting. ..!

>

> RR

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> ><SNIP>

> >

> > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > -VJ

>

> <SNIP>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Prashant Ji and others,

 

I have to update incomplete English version of Kundalee, in addition to

answering hundreds of emails I receive daily. I have agreed to present

sufficient number of case studies on on internet. I do not think it is good to

divert the topic to human population, because then I will not be able to present

case studies you wanted. I am certainly able to explain the logic behind the

untimate number 6227 millions (6227020800 exactly), but it should be reserved

for future when I get over the task of case studies.

 

The problem with case studies is that some members in AIA and JR have doubted

the reliability of well known persons. Yes, the reliability of Indian birthdata

is certainly questionable, because Indians often do not like to publish their

exact birthtime. I have two birthtimes for Mr Jawaharlal Nehru. But many foreign

dignitaries have well researched birthdata. A better alternative is to work on

136 years of annual rainfall data published by IITM (Indian Institute of

Tropical Meteorology, Pune) on the basis of official IMD data. Let us compare

Mesha Samkraanti charts of the best 10-20 and worst 10-20 years made from

Suryasiddhanta and physical astronomy, and compare the results. These data are

reliable, and interpreting horoscopes for rainfall involes less complexities

because we do not need dashaas, divisionals, sudarshanachakra, ashtakavarga, etc

in mundane astrology, and therefore the task of comparison between two

mathematical methods is easy and lucid.

 

-Vinay Jha

=================== ====

 

 

________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

 

Monday, May 11, 2009 10:52:37 AM

Re: World Population...?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

I hope u can explain the logic behind the B billion figure as Lakshmana rekha

 

forget the Brahma vaak and the hell part. this line is overused I must say as

doing our bit is what is in our control and doing it sincerely-fruits/ results

is left to god. so if we do this much rest is taken care of by god. HELL OR

HEAVEN....! most of us do the job with a good degree of sincerity even the

currupt politicians in their meanness they r sincere. Like the Pious priests,

monks who r sincere to their work, life style in a simple non materialistic

lifestyle=who leave all to the Almughty's grace in our village the temple priest

hardly gets 3k a yr a income that too from select families. Givt -endowment

ministry funds don't reach many...!

 

prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

 

Monday, May 11, 2009 10:34:47 AM

Re: World Population.. .?

 

RR JI,

 

You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of

experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither

overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are

estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a

corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of

India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25

million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember

whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous

census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25

million new members in 2001 Census !!

 

I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come

true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am

wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made

public.

 

-VJ

============ == =====

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

 

Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM

World Population.. .?

 

I found this URL that may be of interest:

 

http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

 

According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and

counting.

 

It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

 

Very interesting. ..!

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

><SNIP>

>

> Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> -VJ

 

<SNIP>

 

 

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Dear Vinay Ji,

Very commendable when you say " our human limitations does not make the science of

astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly

based on shaastras. "

we have no hesitations to support your efforts nor do we intend a person who

takes pride in his efforts be discouraged /demoralised with our writings.our

expressions/opinions are not certainly directed any one but general in

nature and ceratinly not attributable to you

we pray and wish for your success and Almighty to give you courage and strength

to fulfil your abjectives through your unselfish endeavours

These limitations what ever you meant are factual but not to denigrate any body

who is ready and willing to provide service without any expectation.we also

think of the order of universe which probably other wise.Particulary we term

present age as Klaiyuga what ever meaning and effect it has on the present age

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Mon, 5/11/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

 

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

Re: World Population...?

 

Monday, May 11, 2009, 3:57 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RR JI,

 

You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) !

Let us see what we get next ...! "

 

You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put

it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct ;

our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate,

provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There

are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those

charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the

method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate

my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of

emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete.

Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs.

 

-VJ

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

 

Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM

Re: World Population.. .?

 

Dear Krishnan Dada,

 

Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on

census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression

goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking

place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but

underestimates as all know.

 

Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been

100% accurate with their predictions etc...

 

Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given

his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish

for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends

and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best

astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall.

 

I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within!

Let us see what we get next ...!

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sirs,

> The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these

statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09

6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations.

> Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be

explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various

siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into

these pronouncements.

> I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary

study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For

that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense

intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human

enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one

intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do

that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is

not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter

bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate

gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the

need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products

on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant

for value addition and

preciousness

> nature such great human efforts.

> Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and

prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane

endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for

insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But

these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except

appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be

done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are

divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense

one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank

opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings

> vrkrishnan

> vrkrishnan

>

>

> --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> World Population.. .?

>

> Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM

>

>

I found this URL that may be of interest:

>

> http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

>

> According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and

counting.

>

> It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

>

> Very interesting. ..!

>

> RR

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> ><SNIP>

> >

> > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > -VJ

>

> <SNIP>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Krishnan Ji,

 

I thank you for your assurances that allegations about " commercial " intent in my

" hoax claims " were not aimed at disturbing my efforts. I was not disturbed, I

was sad that a good person was judging me in such terms prior to any tests.

 

The

problem with case studies is that some members in AIA and JR have

doubted the reliability of well known persons. Yes, the reliability of

Indian birthdata is certainly questionable, because Indians often do

not like to publish their exact birthtime. I have two birthtimes for Mr

Jawaharlal Nehru. But many foreign dignitaries have well researched birthdata.

 

A better alternative is to work on 136 years of annual rainfall data published

by IITM (Indian Institute of Tropical Meteorology,

Pune) on the basis of official IMD data. Let us compare Mesha

Samkraanti charts of the best 10-20 and worst 10-20 years made from

Suryasiddhanta and physical astronomy, and compare the results. These

data are reliable, and interpreting horoscopes for rainfall involes

less complexities because we do not need dashaas, divisionals,

sudarshanachakra, ashtakavarga, etc in mundane astrology, and therefore

the task of comparison between two mathematical methods is easy and

lucid.

 

I have to update

incomplete English version of Kundalee, in addition to answering

hundreds of emails I receive daily. I have agreed to present sufficient

number of case studies on on internet. I do not think it is good to

divert the topic to human population, because then I will not be able

to present case studies some members wanted. I am certainly able to explain the

logic behind the untimate number 6227 millions (6227020800 exactly, which will

enrage you further; but it is not a hoax claim, you will see it in your

lifetime), but it should be reserved for future when I get over the task of case

studies.

 

-Vinay Jha

=================== ====

 

________________________________

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

 

Monday, May 11, 2009 12:32:52 PM

Re: World Population...?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri Rohini Dada,

There is lot of material around both physical and intutive things stemming from

culture as well as our class.Rest assured we have immense faith in all such

things.Interested scholars without any expectations work hard and make

postulations ,try and test them for their efficacy.we all stand by them and also

do undertake measures to test their postulations. Their confidence emnates from

their hard work and their drive to do some thing different which can be of use

to society.The difference however lies in the process of evaluations. Even

classical writers when they have deliberated and oipned they never worry about

counter claims and antagonism which ofcourse shall always have room for those

interested.That is how the puddings finally come out cabins and placed for other

commendations/ criticism. we definitely appreciate the effort involved and hail

all such solo efforts.we have no illfeelings to make issues for no reason.In a

forum like this,both positive

and negative views are bound to be there.One thing they are not meant to distrub

pepace and piousness of efforts.

I agree with you totally

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

Re: World Population.. .?

 

Sunday, May 10, 2009, 10:12 PM

 

Dear Krishnan Dada,

 

Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on

census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression

goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking

place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but

underestimates as all know.

 

Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been

100% accurate with their predictions etc...

 

Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given

his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish

for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends

and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best

astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall.

 

I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within!

Let us see what we get next ...!

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sirs,

> The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these

statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09

6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations.

> Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be

explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various

siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into

these pronouncements.

> I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary

study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For

that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense

intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human

enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one

intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do

that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is

not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter

bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate

gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the

need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products

on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant

for value addition and

preciousness

> nature such great human efforts.

> Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and

prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane

endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for

insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But

these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except

appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be

done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are

divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense

one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank

opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings

> vrkrishnan

> vrkrishnan

>

>

> --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> World Population.. .?

>

> Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM

>

>

I found this URL that may be of interest:

>

> http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

>

> According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and

counting.

>

> It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

>

> Very interesting. ..!

>

> RR

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> ><SNIP>

> >

> > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > -VJ

>

> <SNIP>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Krishnan ji,

 

I had a very good opinion of you from your wrtings. I think there was some

misunderstanding, which should be forgotten. I always avoided personal remarks

against anybody, excepting Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya who refuses to read original

texts but raises new theories of his own quoting those very texts which he does

not read. But even in these personal remarks, I requested him to read original

texts, and provided him links where he can get ancient Indian siddhantas & c.

 

I request you to spend a few minutes to understand what I want to say. Please

look at Click_Here which gives Prithvi Chakra and Desha Chakra, which are most

important of sic chakras on which Koorma Chakra is based. This method uses fixed

Raashi Chakras to make bhaavachalita on them, and used Sarvatobhadra for

regional predictions. On that page, you will find two articles, one by me and

another by current HOD of Jyotisha in a recognized Sanskrit university.

 

You spoke of Kaliyuga. Look at its Suryasiddhantic horoscope Click_Here .

 

I have started putting on a page which I will expand further : Click_Here , it

contains comparison of official rainfall data with Suryasiddhantic Mesha

Pravesha kundalis of the world. I've checked 136 years, this method is 100%

accurate.

 

I had sent predictions based on Desha Chakra of Bhaarata to 615 weather

scientists. Report from Climate branch of NASA headquarters is Click_Here . On

that page you will find a link to my paper accepted for international conference

on Monsoons, where I was invited to present my paper : Click_Here to see the

paper, which was very precise and short because I was asked to remove well known

facts which experts already knew, and discuss only what is new. Hence, this

paper will be a difficult reading for non-expert of weather science.

Unfortunately, Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya called this paper a hoax !! Hence, the

referees of IISc were to accept the paper of a cheat !

 

In Fig-11 on that page , you will find same Prithvi Chakra which I use in

making rain (and other) forecasts.

 

This method is ancient, and accurate. I avoided any reference to astrology or

Suryasiddhanta, and therefore my paper was accepted by IISc and my forecasts

were verified by NASA, but here in forums astrologers know me as an astrologer

and are therefore prejudiced against me because of my use of an apparently

outdated astronomy. They do not deserve Suryasiddhanta which is never outdated :

it is fundamentally different from physical astronomy. I am fit for abuses for

offering the undeserving lot this high science free of cost (this sentence is

for those who abused me, often in obscene terms, without even touching Kundalee

software).

 

-Vinay Jha

=============== =======

 

 

________________________________

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

 

Monday, May 11, 2009 1:42:10 PM

Re: World Population...?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vinay Ji,

Very commendable when you say " our human limitations does not make the science of

astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly

based on shaastras. "

we have no hesitations to support your efforts nor do we intend a person who

takes pride in his efforts be discouraged /demoralised with our writings.our

expressions/ opinions are not certainly directed any one but general in nature

and ceratinly not attributable to you

we pray and wish for your success and Almighty to give you courage and strength

to fulfil your abjectives through your unselfish endeavours

These limitations what ever you meant are factual but not to denigrate any body

who is ready and willing to provide service without any expectation. we also

think of the order of universe which probably other wise.Particulary we term

present age as Klaiyuga what ever meaning and effect it has on the present age

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Mon, 5/11/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

 

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

Re: World Population.. .?

 

Monday, May 11, 2009, 3:57 AM

 

RR JI,

 

You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) !

Let us see what we get next ...! "

 

You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put

it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct ;

our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate,

provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There

are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those

charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the

method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate

my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of

emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete.

Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs.

 

-VJ

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

 

Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM

Re: World Population.. .?

 

Dear Krishnan Dada,

 

Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on

census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression

goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking

place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but

underestimates as all know.

 

Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been

100% accurate with their predictions etc...

 

Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given

his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish

for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends

and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best

astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall.

 

I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within!

Let us see what we get next ...!

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sirs,

> The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these

statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09

6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations.

> Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be

explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various

siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into

these pronouncements.

> I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary

study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For

that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense

intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human

enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one

intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do

that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is

not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter

bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate

gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the

need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products

on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant

for value addition and

preciousness

> nature such great human efforts.

> Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and

prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane

endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for

insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But

these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except

appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be

done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are

divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense

one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank

opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings

> vrkrishnan

> vrkrishnan

>

>

> --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> World Population.. .?

>

> Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM

>

>

I found this URL that may be of interest:

>

> http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

>

> According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and

counting.

>

> It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

>

> Very interesting. ..!

>

> RR

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> ><SNIP>

> >

> > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > -VJ

>

> <SNIP>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Dear friends,

This prediction about human population getting ultimately limited to 6227

Millions is very intersting and soothing.

It would provide much relief to people[like me] worrying about Global Warming

and cosequent bad effects.

Inder

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> RR JI,

>

> You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) !

Let us see what we get next ...! "

>

>

> You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to

put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82%

correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology

inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on

shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations

between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not

foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I

have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a

large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which

is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs.

>

> -VJ

>

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

>

> Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM

> Re: World Population...?

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Krishnan Dada,

>

> Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied

on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the

expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and

deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be

anything but underestimates as all know.

>

> Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has

been 100% accurate with their predictions etc...

>

> Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so

given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of

Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study

of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the

best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall.

>

> I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within!

Let us see what we get next ...!

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sirs,

> > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these

statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09

6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations.

> > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never

be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various

siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into

these pronouncements.

> > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary

study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For

that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense

intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human

enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one

intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do

that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is

not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter

bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate

gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the

need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products

on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant

for value addition and

> preciousness

> > nature such great human efforts.

> > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and

prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane

endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for

insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But

these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except

appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be

done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are

divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense

one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank

opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings

> > vrkrishnan

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > World Population.. .?

> >

> > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I found this URL that may be of interest:

> >

> > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

> >

> > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions

and counting.

> >

> > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

> >

> > Very interesting. ..!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > ><SNIP>

> > >

> > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > -VJ

> >

> > <SNIP>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Inder,

 

tru it is heartening to note that and we r aware from time to time the Bhoo Devi

will do its best to restore quilibrium or balance of forces in the world.

 

but this limit of 6227 Billion sounds a bit interesting and want to know why

this no and nothing more or less....

and in what form will nature cut its nos to size

 

the bird flu, swine flu, trunamis, terrorism have v little contribution on the

numbers game...

and with ever expanding W asian pouplation across the stan nations it is amazing

to see it really happen.

 

Prashant

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Inder <indervohra2001

 

Monday, May 11, 2009 5:51:43 PM

Re: World Population...?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear friends,

This prediction about human population getting ultimately limited to 6227

Millions is very intersting and soothing.

It would provide much relief to people[like me] worrying about Global Warming

and cosequent bad effects.

Inder

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> RR JI,

>

> You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) !

Let us see what we get next ...! "

>

>

> You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to

put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82%

correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology

inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on

shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations

between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not

foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I

have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a

large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which

is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs.

>

> -VJ

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

>

> Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM

> Re: World Population.. .?

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Krishnan Dada,

>

> Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied

on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the

expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and

deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be

anything but underestimates as all know.

>

> Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has

been 100% accurate with their predictions etc...

>

> Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so

given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of

Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study

of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the

best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall.

>

> I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within!

Let us see what we get next ...!

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sirs,

> > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these

statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09

6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations.

> > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never

be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various

siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into

these pronouncements.

> > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary

study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For

that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense

intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human

enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one

intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do

that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is

not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter

bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate

gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the

need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products

on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant

for value addition and

> preciousness

> > nature such great human efforts.

> > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and

prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane

endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for

insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But

these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except

appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be

done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are

divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense

one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank

opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings

> > vrkrishnan

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > World Population.. .?

> >

> > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I found this URL that may be of interest:

> >

> > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

> >

> > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions

and counting.

> >

> > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

> >

> > Very interesting. ..!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > ><SNIP>

> > >

> > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > -VJ

> >

> > <SNIP>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Inder Ji,

 

There is no threat to the world, on the whole. All Doomsdayers are doomed.

 

-Vinay Jha

 

=========== ============

 

 

________________________________

Inder <indervohra2001

 

Monday, May 11, 2009 5:51:43 PM

Re: World Population...?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear friends,

This prediction about human population getting ultimately limited to 6227

Millions is very intersting and soothing.

It would provide much relief to people[like me] worrying about Global Warming

and cosequent bad effects.

Inder

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> RR JI,

>

> You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) !

Let us see what we get next ...! "

>

>

> You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to

put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82%

correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology

inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on

shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations

between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not

foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I

have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a

large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which

is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs.

>

> -VJ

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

>

> Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM

> Re: World Population.. .?

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Krishnan Dada,

>

> Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied

on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the

expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and

deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be

anything but underestimates as all know.

>

> Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has

been 100% accurate with their predictions etc...

>

> Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so

given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of

Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study

of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the

best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall.

>

> I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within!

Let us see what we get next ...!

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sirs,

> > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these

statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09

6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations.

> > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never

be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various

siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into

these pronouncements.

> > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary

study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For

that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense

intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human

enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one

intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do

that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is

not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter

bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate

gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the

need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products

on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant

for value addition and

> preciousness

> > nature such great human efforts.

> > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and

prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane

endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for

insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But

these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except

appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be

done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are

divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense

one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank

opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings

> > vrkrishnan

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > World Population.. .?

> >

> > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I found this URL that may be of interest:

> >

> > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

> >

> > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions

and counting.

> >

> > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

> >

> > Very interesting. ..!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > ><SNIP>

> > >

> > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > -VJ

> >

> > <SNIP>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Vinay Ji,

 

While I have no difficulty accepting that some bureaucracies may be fudging some

or all kinds of data for all kinds of reasons, I have a simple question:

 

How will you, a serious researcher which I do not doubt at all that you are, or

anyone count the population and really figure out what the true headcount is in

the world at a given moment? I do realize that you seriously think about what I

am asking and the impossibility of such a quest!

 

And secondly, do you not believe in reincarnation as many of us hindus (and some

other religions too) do? It is flattering ;-) that you make it sound as if I am

never going to come back and be reborn but I have so much to learn from many

human births still! As they say, I shall return and just as I do now in some

ways, I shall remember certain things when I return and pick up my mission of

observing the human beings and their wonderful richness, again and again.

Including their claims, myths and beliefs and above all their quest of REALITY

while they define it in so many ways, from so many perspectives.

 

As to the census number, the number you quote of 6227 worldwide has already been

surpassed given that the estimates and census 'data' could be underestimates and

even they are hundreds of millions higher than this special and concrete number

that you speak of.

 

Like any child I was very much enticed by magic and magicians. A magician yogi

came to our school and being the relative heavy weight he picked me out of the

crowd and asked me to stand on him as he lay down on two long serrated saw

blades! When he beckoned me to climb down, and showed his back with each

saw-tooth showing as a distinct triangle of blanched skin growing reddish as we

watched, I was very impressed and when all were gone, I asked him to teach me

how he did it. I still remember his glance which was almost wistful as he

replied sincerely, " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic,

study and learn good things. " I was kind of crest-fallen but looking back I

sense the sincerity in his gaze.

 

Then a bit older, I had an occasion to watch the great showman magician P.C.

Sorcar. He was a great showman and all jovial and wonderful but during an act he

spilled some water on a hot flood light. The 2000Watt light popped into

smithereens and the 'light' on the stage suddenly went down perceptibly. Within

a few seconds, the jovial and all-powerful Great Magician turned into a

quivering, neurotic, mess, face twisted, contorted in subdued anger as he urged

his stage help to change the bulb " JAALDI KAARO! " .

 

Only in these moments of stress which brings out the humanness that is within

all of us and which indeed makes us human are the glimpses of reality!

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> RR JI,

>

> You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of

experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither

overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are

estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a

corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of

India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25

million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember

whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous

census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25

million new members in 2001 Census !!

>

> I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come

true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am

wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made

public.

>

> -VJ

> ============== =====

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

>

> Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM

> World Population...?

>

>

>

>

>

> I found this URL that may be of interest:

>

> http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

>

> According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and

counting.

>

> It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

>

> Very interesting. ..!

>

> RR

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> ><SNIP>

> >

> > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > -VJ

>

> <SNIP>

>

 

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Dear Vinay Ji,

 

Now that we are beginning to get down to the nitty gritty, it seems that even

with the best method or whatever, one will remain limited by their human-ness

and their inaccuracy may diminish from say 40% to 37.65%, no matter what. In

that instance would it be wise to change the methodology and move to something

different just because someone says so? I dont think that would be pragmatic.

 

Now if someone were to move from 60% success rate to say 95% success rate by

using a different technique or a different ayanamsha or whatever, and the

improvement is shown in otherwise fairly human jyotishis (no extrasensory

help!), that to me would indicate a successful clinical trial. Won't you agree?

Has such a human trial been conducted anywhere in the world? Perhaps that is

what we all should be focusing on rather than talking about numbers that we

cannot possibly estimate, let along count, such as actual world population or

astrological accuracy!

 

Too much kheer is bad for the teeth and the body...

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> RR JI,

>

> You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) !

Let us see what we get next ...! "

>

>

> You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to

put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82%

correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology

inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on

shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations

between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not

foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I

have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a

large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which

is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs.

>

> -VJ

>

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

>

> Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM

> Re: World Population...?

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Krishnan Dada,

>

> Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied

on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the

expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and

deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be

anything but underestimates as all know.

>

> Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has

been 100% accurate with their predictions etc...

>

> Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so

given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of

Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study

of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the

best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall.

>

> I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within!

Let us see what we get next ...!

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sirs,

> > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these

statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09

6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations.

> > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never

be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various

siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into

these pronouncements.

> > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary

study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For

that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense

intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human

enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one

intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do

that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is

not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter

bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate

gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the

need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products

on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant

for value addition and

> preciousness

> > nature such great human efforts.

> > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and

prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane

endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for

insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But

these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except

appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be

done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are

divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense

one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank

opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings

> > vrkrishnan

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > World Population.. .?

> >

> > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I found this URL that may be of interest:

> >

> > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

> >

> > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions

and counting.

> >

> > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

> >

> > Very interesting. ..!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > ><SNIP>

> > >

> > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > -VJ

> >

> > <SNIP>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

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Inderji,

 

Sadly, it seems that this 'number' may already have been overshot and is now

being scaled back to the 'optimum' (dont ask me for the source!) through war,

genocide, tsunamis and locusts etc...

 

Kaliyuga in full swing!

 

RR

 

, " Inder " <indervohra2001 wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

> This prediction about human population getting ultimately limited to 6227

Millions is very intersting and soothing.

> It would provide much relief to people[like me] worrying about Global Warming

and cosequent bad effects.

> Inder

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > RR JI,

> >

> > You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??)

! Let us see what we get next ...! "

> >

> >

> > You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to

put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82%

correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology

inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on

shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations

between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not

foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I

have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a

large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which

is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@>

> >

> > Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM

> > Re: World Population...?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Krishnan Dada,

> >

> > Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied

on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the

expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and

deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be

anything but underestimates as all know.

> >

> > Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has

been 100% accurate with their predictions etc...

> >

> > Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so

given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of

Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study

of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the

best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall.

> >

> > I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising

within! Let us see what we get next ...!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sirs,

> > > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these

statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09

6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations.

> > > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will

never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from

various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much

into these pronouncements.

> > > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary

study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For

that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense

intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human

enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one

intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do

that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is

not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter

bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate

gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the

need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products

on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant

for value addition and

> > preciousness

> > > nature such great human efforts.

> > > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and

prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane

endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for

insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But

these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except

appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be

done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are

divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense

one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank

opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings

> > > vrkrishnan

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > World Population.. .?

> > >

> > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I found this URL that may be of interest:

> > >

> > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

> > >

> > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions

and counting.

> > >

> > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

> > >

> > > Very interesting. ..!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > > ><SNIP>

> > > >

> > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > >

> > > <SNIP>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Vinay ji,

 

I do not believe at all that anyone is doomed: Doomsdayers or Doom-sayers!

 

When the finest creation of God and Nature, if may so arrogantly say -- Human

beings perish, they are either returned to Water (Naval burial), earth (if one

is Christian or Muslim etc) or fire (Hindus and a few others) but what about the

fourth element? Air??

 

If you read about the way Parsis and Tibetans return their dead away back to the

elements, they may not be sending them back to air directly, but they do send

them back to those who live in the air (birds).

 

The fifth element Akasha is not forgotten either! It receives what is left: The

soul!

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Inder Ji,

>

> There is no threat to the world, on the whole. All Doomsdayers are doomed.

>

> -Vinay Jha

>

> =========== ============

>

>

> ________________________________

> Inder <indervohra2001

>

> Monday, May 11, 2009 5:51:43 PM

> Re: World Population...?

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear friends,

> This prediction about human population getting ultimately limited to 6227

Millions is very intersting and soothing.

> It would provide much relief to people[like me] worrying about Global Warming

and cosequent bad effects.

> Inder

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > RR JI,

> >

> > You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??)

! Let us see what we get next ...! "

> >

> >

> > You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to

put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82%

correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology

inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on

shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations

between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not

foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I

have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a

large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which

is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> >

> > Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM

> > Re: World Population.. .?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Krishnan Dada,

> >

> > Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied

on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the

expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and

deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be

anything but underestimates as all know.

> >

> > Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has

been 100% accurate with their predictions etc...

> >

> > Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so

given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of

Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study

of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the

best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall.

> >

> > I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising

within! Let us see what we get next ...!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sirs,

> > > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these

statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09

6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations.

> > > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will

never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from

various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much

into these pronouncements.

> > > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary

study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For

that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense

intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human

enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one

intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do

that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is

not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter

bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate

gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the

need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products

on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant

for value addition and

> > preciousness

> > > nature such great human efforts.

> > > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and

prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane

endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for

insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But

these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except

appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be

done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are

divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense

one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank

opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings

> > > vrkrishnan

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > World Population.. .?

> > >

> > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I found this URL that may be of interest:

> > >

> > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

> > >

> > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions

and counting.

> > >

> > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

> > >

> > > Very interesting. ..!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > > ><SNIP>

> > > >

> > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > >

> > > <SNIP>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Dada,

What is needed to understand is " " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap'

of magic, study and learn good things. "

The forum has to get into some kind of learning that really supports the group

and time.

with regards

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: World Population...?

 

Monday, May 11, 2009, 7:09 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vinay Ji,

 

While I have no difficulty accepting that some bureaucracies may be fudging some

or all kinds of data for all kinds of reasons, I have a simple question:

 

How will you, a serious researcher which I do not doubt at all that you are, or

anyone count the population and really figure out what the true headcount is in

the world at a given moment? I do realize that you seriously think about what I

am asking and the impossibility of such a quest!

 

And secondly, do you not believe in reincarnation as many of us hindus (and some

other religions too) do? It is flattering ;-) that you make it sound as if I am

never going to come back and be reborn but I have so much to learn from many

human births still! As they say, I shall return and just as I do now in some

ways, I shall remember certain things when I return and pick up my mission of

observing the human beings and their wonderful richness, again and again.

Including their claims, myths and beliefs and above all their quest of REALITY

while they define it in so many ways, from so many perspectives.

 

As to the census number, the number you quote of 6227 worldwide has already been

surpassed given that the estimates and census 'data' could be underestimates and

even they are hundreds of millions higher than this special and concrete number

that you speak of.

 

Like any child I was very much enticed by magic and magicians. A magician yogi

came to our school and being the relative heavy weight he picked me out of the

crowd and asked me to stand on him as he lay down on two long serrated saw

blades! When he beckoned me to climb down, and showed his back with each

saw-tooth showing as a distinct triangle of blanched skin growing reddish as we

watched, I was very impressed and when all were gone, I asked him to teach me

how he did it. I still remember his glance which was almost wistful as he

replied sincerely, " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic,

study and learn good things. " I was kind of crest-fallen but looking back I

sense the sincerity in his gaze.

 

Then a bit older, I had an occasion to watch the great showman magician P.C.

Sorcar. He was a great showman and all jovial and wonderful but during an act he

spilled some water on a hot flood light. The 2000Watt light popped into

smithereens and the 'light' on the stage suddenly went down perceptibly. Within

a few seconds, the jovial and all-powerful Great Magician turned into a

quivering, neurotic, mess, face twisted, contorted in subdued anger as he urged

his stage help to change the bulb " JAALDI KAARO! " .

 

Only in these moments of stress which brings out the humanness that is within

all of us and which indeed makes us human are the glimpses of reality!

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> RR JI,

>

> You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of

experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither

overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are

estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a

corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of

India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25

million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember

whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous

census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25

million new members in 2001 Census !!

>

> I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come

true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am

wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made

public.

>

> -VJ

> ============ == =====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

>

> Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM

> World Population.. .?

>

>

>

>

>

> I found this URL that may be of interest:

>

> http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

>

> According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and

counting.

>

> It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

>

> Very interesting. ..!

>

> RR

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> ><SNIP>

> >

> > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > -VJ

>

> <SNIP>

>

 

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For me, Dada, it has always been very simple and straight forward!

 

" Stop pretending to be the teacher or give the false impression that you have

something special to teach, ad nauseum! "

 

" KHNORRRRR... "

 

Chela got anxious! OH GOD NO!

 

" But $wamiji ..., when was the train going to arrive? What o clock? "

 

With $ji snoring away happily dreaming about some Elysian Fields Eternal and

similar Eidetic imagery -- the orphan kitten that TA was could not just wait

motionless. Leos are exploratory by inherent nature and particularly when that

is the dharma. She roamed around in the dark railway station and found the

TIMETABLE. The station was dark but cats can see better in the dark! They do not

need a lot of LIGHT to figure out things as they truly are or for that matter,

" The Shape of Things to Come! " I am sure some of you have read that book -- ;-)

 

 

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Dada,

> What is needed to understand is " " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap'

of magic, study and learn good things. "

> The forum has to get into some kind of learning that really supports the group

and time.

> with regards

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> Re: World Population...?

>

> Monday, May 11, 2009, 7:09 PM

>

>

Dear Vinay Ji,

>

> While I have no difficulty accepting that some bureaucracies may be fudging

some or all kinds of data for all kinds of reasons, I have a simple question:

>

> How will you, a serious researcher which I do not doubt at all that you are,

or anyone count the population and really figure out what the true headcount is

in the world at a given moment? I do realize that you seriously think about what

I am asking and the impossibility of such a quest!

>

> And secondly, do you not believe in reincarnation as many of us hindus (and

some other religions too) do? It is flattering ;-) that you make it sound as if

I am never going to come back and be reborn but I have so much to learn from

many human births still! As they say, I shall return and just as I do now in

some ways, I shall remember certain things when I return and pick up my mission

of observing the human beings and their wonderful richness, again and again.

Including their claims, myths and beliefs and above all their quest of REALITY

while they define it in so many ways, from so many perspectives.

>

> As to the census number, the number you quote of 6227 worldwide has already

been surpassed given that the estimates and census 'data' could be

underestimates and even they are hundreds of millions higher than this special

and concrete number that you speak of.

>

> Like any child I was very much enticed by magic and magicians. A magician yogi

came to our school and being the relative heavy weight he picked me out of the

crowd and asked me to stand on him as he lay down on two long serrated saw

blades! When he beckoned me to climb down, and showed his back with each

saw-tooth showing as a distinct triangle of blanched skin growing reddish as we

watched, I was very impressed and when all were gone, I asked him to teach me

how he did it. I still remember his glance which was almost wistful as he

replied sincerely, " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic,

study and learn good things. " I was kind of crest-fallen but looking back I

sense the sincerity in his gaze.

>

> Then a bit older, I had an occasion to watch the great showman magician P.C.

Sorcar. He was a great showman and all jovial and wonderful but during an act he

spilled some water on a hot flood light. The 2000Watt light popped into

smithereens and the 'light' on the stage suddenly went down perceptibly. Within

a few seconds, the jovial and all-powerful Great Magician turned into a

quivering, neurotic, mess, face twisted, contorted in subdued anger as he urged

his stage help to change the bulb " JAALDI KAARO! " .

>

> Only in these moments of stress which brings out the humanness that is within

all of us and which indeed makes us human are the glimpses of reality!

>

> RR

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > RR JI,

> >

> > You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of

experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither

overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are

estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a

corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of

India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25

million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember

whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous

census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25

million new members in 2001 Census !!

> >

> > I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions)

come true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I

am wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made

public.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ == =====

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> >

> > Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM

> > World Population.. .?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I found this URL that may be of interest:

> >

> > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

> >

> > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions

and counting.

> >

> > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

> >

> > Very interesting. ..!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > ><SNIP>

> > >

> > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > -VJ

> >

> > <SNIP>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Shri Rohini Dada

Certain things when comes as a recapitulation and timely it helps.I enjoyed the

anecdote as $wamy Ji

regards vrkishnan

--- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: World Population...?

 

Monday, May 11, 2009, 9:55 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For me, Dada, it has always been very simple and straight forward!

 

" Stop pretending to be the teacher or give the false impression that you have

something special to teach, ad nauseum! "

 

" KHNORRRRR.. . "

 

Chela got anxious! OH GOD NO!

 

" But $wamiji ..., when was the train going to arrive? What o clock? "

 

With $ji snoring away happily dreaming about some Elysian Fields Eternal and

similar Eidetic imagery -- the orphan kitten that TA was could not just wait

motionless. Leos are exploratory by inherent nature and particularly when that

is the dharma. She roamed around in the dark railway station and found the

TIMETABLE. The station was dark but cats can see better in the dark! They do not

need a lot of LIGHT to figure out things as they truly are or for that matter,

" The Shape of Things to Come! " I am sure some of you have read that book -- ;-)

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Dada,

> What is needed to understand is " " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap'

of magic, study and learn good things. "

> The forum has to get into some kind of learning that really supports the group

and time.

> with regards

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> Re: World Population.. .?

>

> Monday, May 11, 2009, 7:09 PM

>

>

Dear Vinay Ji,

>

> While I have no difficulty accepting that some bureaucracies may be fudging

some or all kinds of data for all kinds of reasons, I have a simple question:

>

> How will you, a serious researcher which I do not doubt at all that you are,

or anyone count the population and really figure out what the true headcount is

in the world at a given moment? I do realize that you seriously think about what

I am asking and the impossibility of such a quest!

>

> And secondly, do you not believe in reincarnation as many of us hindus (and

some other religions too) do? It is flattering ;-) that you make it sound as if

I am never going to come back and be reborn but I have so much to learn from

many human births still! As they say, I shall return and just as I do now in

some ways, I shall remember certain things when I return and pick up my mission

of observing the human beings and their wonderful richness, again and again.

Including their claims, myths and beliefs and above all their quest of REALITY

while they define it in so many ways, from so many perspectives.

>

> As to the census number, the number you quote of 6227 worldwide has already

been surpassed given that the estimates and census 'data' could be

underestimates and even they are hundreds of millions higher than this special

and concrete number that you speak of.

>

> Like any child I was very much enticed by magic and magicians. A magician yogi

came to our school and being the relative heavy weight he picked me out of the

crowd and asked me to stand on him as he lay down on two long serrated saw

blades! When he beckoned me to climb down, and showed his back with each

saw-tooth showing as a distinct triangle of blanched skin growing reddish as we

watched, I was very impressed and when all were gone, I asked him to teach me

how he did it. I still remember his glance which was almost wistful as he

replied sincerely, " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic,

study and learn good things. " I was kind of crest-fallen but looking back I

sense the sincerity in his gaze.

>

> Then a bit older, I had an occasion to watch the great showman magician P.C.

Sorcar. He was a great showman and all jovial and wonderful but during an act he

spilled some water on a hot flood light. The 2000Watt light popped into

smithereens and the 'light' on the stage suddenly went down perceptibly. Within

a few seconds, the jovial and all-powerful Great Magician turned into a

quivering, neurotic, mess, face twisted, contorted in subdued anger as he urged

his stage help to change the bulb " JAALDI KAARO! " .

>

> Only in these moments of stress which brings out the humanness that is within

all of us and which indeed makes us human are the glimpses of reality!

>

> RR

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > RR JI,

> >

> > You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of

experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither

overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are

estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a

corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of

India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25

million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember

whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous

census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25

million new members in 2001 Census !!

> >

> > I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions)

come true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I

am wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made

public.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ == =====

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> >

> > Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM

> > World Population.. .?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I found this URL that may be of interest:

> >

> > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

> >

> > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions

and counting.

> >

> > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

> >

> > Very interesting. ..!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > ><SNIP>

> > >

> > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > -VJ

> >

> > <SNIP>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I am happy that you did. There is no train and no station, for the human essence

is always moving and never static. When it stops, all it sees is death, gloom

and despondancy!

 

Saturn would do that, astrologically speaking, of course...!

 

But cats have Manda in the 7th and 8th houses. I think experiential astrologers

as opposed to those that know it all but would not or cannot tell <?> should

begin at the beginning and go from there. What could be a beginning other than

kalpurusha's kundali? A beginning that in some ways has always reminded me of

the Sudarshana Kundali where in BPHS (even the corrupted editions!) was given

the clue that was wonderful and gratefully received by the orphan kitten!

 

 

 

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Rohini Dada

> Certain things when comes as a recapitulation and timely it helps.I enjoyed

the anecdote as $wamy Ji

> regards vrkishnan

> --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> Re: World Population...?

>

> Monday, May 11, 2009, 9:55 PM

>

>

For me, Dada, it has always been very simple and straight forward!

>

> " Stop pretending to be the teacher or give the false impression that you have

something special to teach, ad nauseum! "

>

> " KHNORRRRR.. . "

>

> Chela got anxious! OH GOD NO!

>

> " But $wamiji ..., when was the train going to arrive? What o clock? "

>

> With $ji snoring away happily dreaming about some Elysian Fields Eternal and

similar Eidetic imagery -- the orphan kitten that TA was could not just wait

motionless. Leos are exploratory by inherent nature and particularly when that

is the dharma. She roamed around in the dark railway station and found the

TIMETABLE. The station was dark but cats can see better in the dark! They do not

need a lot of LIGHT to figure out things as they truly are or for that matter,

" The Shape of Things to Come! " I am sure some of you have read that book -- ;-)

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dada,

> > What is needed to understand is " " Beta don't waste your time in all this

'crap' of magic, study and learn good things. "

> > The forum has to get into some kind of learning that really supports the

group and time.

> > with regards

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > Re: World Population.. .?

> >

> > Monday, May 11, 2009, 7:09 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Vinay Ji,

> >

> > While I have no difficulty accepting that some bureaucracies may be fudging

some or all kinds of data for all kinds of reasons, I have a simple question:

> >

> > How will you, a serious researcher which I do not doubt at all that you are,

or anyone count the population and really figure out what the true headcount is

in the world at a given moment? I do realize that you seriously think about what

I am asking and the impossibility of such a quest!

> >

> > And secondly, do you not believe in reincarnation as many of us hindus (and

some other religions too) do? It is flattering ;-) that you make it sound as if

I am never going to come back and be reborn but I have so much to learn from

many human births still! As they say, I shall return and just as I do now in

some ways, I shall remember certain things when I return and pick up my mission

of observing the human beings and their wonderful richness, again and again.

Including their claims, myths and beliefs and above all their quest of REALITY

while they define it in so many ways, from so many perspectives.

> >

> > As to the census number, the number you quote of 6227 worldwide has already

been surpassed given that the estimates and census 'data' could be

underestimates and even they are hundreds of millions higher than this special

and concrete number that you speak of.

> >

> > Like any child I was very much enticed by magic and magicians. A magician

yogi came to our school and being the relative heavy weight he picked me out of

the crowd and asked me to stand on him as he lay down on two long serrated saw

blades! When he beckoned me to climb down, and showed his back with each

saw-tooth showing as a distinct triangle of blanched skin growing reddish as we

watched, I was very impressed and when all were gone, I asked him to teach me

how he did it. I still remember his glance which was almost wistful as he

replied sincerely, " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic,

study and learn good things. " I was kind of crest-fallen but looking back I

sense the sincerity in his gaze.

> >

> > Then a bit older, I had an occasion to watch the great showman magician P.C.

Sorcar. He was a great showman and all jovial and wonderful but during an act he

spilled some water on a hot flood light. The 2000Watt light popped into

smithereens and the 'light' on the stage suddenly went down perceptibly. Within

a few seconds, the jovial and all-powerful Great Magician turned into a

quivering, neurotic, mess, face twisted, contorted in subdued anger as he urged

his stage help to change the bulb " JAALDI KAARO! " .

> >

> > Only in these moments of stress which brings out the humanness that is

within all of us and which indeed makes us human are the glimpses of reality!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > RR JI,

> > >

> > > You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years

of experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are

neither overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are

estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a

corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of

India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25

million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember

whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous

census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25

million new members in 2001 Census !!

> > >

> > > I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions)

come true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I

am wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made

public.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ============ == =====

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > >

> > > Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM

> > > World Population.. .?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I found this URL that may be of interest:

> > >

> > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

> > >

> > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions

and counting.

> > >

> > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

> > >

> > > Very interesting. ..!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > > ><SNIP>

> > > >

> > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > >

> > > <SNIP>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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I hope " sensible " persons will keep away from " crap " (nonsense) like Saamkhya & c

and will devote their precious time to precious things.

 

-VJ

 

 

________________________________

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

 

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:12:39 AM

Re: World Population...?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dada,

What is needed to understand is " " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap'

of magic, study and learn good things. "

The forum has to get into some kind of learning that really supports the group

and time.

with regards

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

Re: World Population.. .?

 

Monday, May 11, 2009, 7:09 PM

 

Dear Vinay Ji,

 

While I have no difficulty accepting that some bureaucracies may be fudging some

or all kinds of data for all kinds of reasons, I have a simple question:

 

How will you, a serious researcher which I do not doubt at all that you are, or

anyone count the population and really figure out what the true headcount is in

the world at a given moment? I do realize that you seriously think about what I

am asking and the impossibility of such a quest!

 

And secondly, do you not believe in reincarnation as many of us hindus (and some

other religions too) do? It is flattering ;-) that you make it sound as if I am

never going to come back and be reborn but I have so much to learn from many

human births still! As they say, I shall return and just as I do now in some

ways, I shall remember certain things when I return and pick up my mission of

observing the human beings and their wonderful richness, again and again.

Including their claims, myths and beliefs and above all their quest of REALITY

while they define it in so many ways, from so many perspectives.

 

As to the census number, the number you quote of 6227 worldwide has already been

surpassed given that the estimates and census 'data' could be underestimates and

even they are hundreds of millions higher than this special and concrete number

that you speak of.

 

Like any child I was very much enticed by magic and magicians. A magician yogi

came to our school and being the relative heavy weight he picked me out of the

crowd and asked me to stand on him as he lay down on two long serrated saw

blades! When he beckoned me to climb down, and showed his back with each

saw-tooth showing as a distinct triangle of blanched skin growing reddish as we

watched, I was very impressed and when all were gone, I asked him to teach me

how he did it. I still remember his glance which was almost wistful as he

replied sincerely, " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic,

study and learn good things. " I was kind of crest-fallen but looking back I

sense the sincerity in his gaze.

 

Then a bit older, I had an occasion to watch the great showman magician P.C.

Sorcar. He was a great showman and all jovial and wonderful but during an act he

spilled some water on a hot flood light. The 2000Watt light popped into

smithereens and the 'light' on the stage suddenly went down perceptibly. Within

a few seconds, the jovial and all-powerful Great Magician turned into a

quivering, neurotic, mess, face twisted, contorted in subdued anger as he urged

his stage help to change the bulb " JAALDI KAARO! " .

 

Only in these moments of stress which brings out the humanness that is within

all of us and which indeed makes us human are the glimpses of reality!

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> RR JI,

>

> You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of

experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither

overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are

estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a

corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of

India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25

million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember

whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous

census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25

million new members in 2001 Census !!

>

> I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions) come

true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I am

wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made

public.

>

> -VJ

> ============ == =====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

>

> Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM

> World Population.. .?

>

>

>

>

>

> I found this URL that may be of interest:

>

> http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

>

> According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and

counting.

>

> It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

>

> Very interesting. ..!

>

> RR

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> ><SNIP>

> >

> > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > -VJ

>

> <SNIP>

>

 

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Stop pretending to be the teacher or give the false impression that you have

something special to teach, ad nauseum ????

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

 

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:25:05 AM

Re: World Population...?

 

 

 

 

 

For me, Dada, it has always been very simple and straight forward!

 

" Stop pretending to be the teacher or give the false impression that you have

something special to teach, ad nauseum! "

 

" KHNORRRRR.. . "

 

Chela got anxious! OH GOD NO!

 

" But $wamiji ..., when was the train going to arrive? What o clock? "

 

With $ji snoring away happily dreaming about some Elysian Fields Eternal and

similar Eidetic imagery -- the orphan kitten that TA was could not just wait

motionless. Leos are exploratory by inherent nature and particularly when that

is the dharma. She roamed around in the dark railway station and found the

TIMETABLE. The station was dark but cats can see better in the dark! They do not

need a lot of LIGHT to figure out things as they truly are or for that matter,

" The Shape of Things to Come! " I am sure some of you have read that book -- ;-)

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Dada,

> What is needed to understand is " " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap'

of magic, study and learn good things. "

> The forum has to get into some kind of learning that really supports the group

and time.

> with regards

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> Re: World Population.. .?

>

> Monday, May 11, 2009, 7:09 PM

>

>

Dear Vinay Ji,

>

> While I have no difficulty accepting that some bureaucracies may be fudging

some or all kinds of data for all kinds of reasons, I have a simple question:

>

> How will you, a serious researcher which I do not doubt at all that you are,

or anyone count the population and really figure out what the true headcount is

in the world at a given moment? I do realize that you seriously think about what

I am asking and the impossibility of such a quest!

>

> And secondly, do you not believe in reincarnation as many of us hindus (and

some other religions too) do? It is flattering ;-) that you make it sound as if

I am never going to come back and be reborn but I have so much to learn from

many human births still! As they say, I shall return and just as I do now in

some ways, I shall remember certain things when I return and pick up my mission

of observing the human beings and their wonderful richness, again and again.

Including their claims, myths and beliefs and above all their quest of REALITY

while they define it in so many ways, from so many perspectives.

>

> As to the census number, the number you quote of 6227 worldwide has already

been surpassed given that the estimates and census 'data' could be

underestimates and even they are hundreds of millions higher than this special

and concrete number that you speak of.

>

> Like any child I was very much enticed by magic and magicians. A magician yogi

came to our school and being the relative heavy weight he picked me out of the

crowd and asked me to stand on him as he lay down on two long serrated saw

blades! When he beckoned me to climb down, and showed his back with each

saw-tooth showing as a distinct triangle of blanched skin growing reddish as we

watched, I was very impressed and when all were gone, I asked him to teach me

how he did it. I still remember his glance which was almost wistful as he

replied sincerely, " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic,

study and learn good things. " I was kind of crest-fallen but looking back I

sense the sincerity in his gaze.

>

> Then a bit older, I had an occasion to watch the great showman magician P.C.

Sorcar. He was a great showman and all jovial and wonderful but during an act he

spilled some water on a hot flood light. The 2000Watt light popped into

smithereens and the 'light' on the stage suddenly went down perceptibly. Within

a few seconds, the jovial and all-powerful Great Magician turned into a

quivering, neurotic, mess, face twisted, contorted in subdued anger as he urged

his stage help to change the bulb " JAALDI KAARO! " .

>

> Only in these moments of stress which brings out the humanness that is within

all of us and which indeed makes us human are the glimpses of reality!

>

> RR

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > RR JI,

> >

> > You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of

experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither

overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are

estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a

corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of

India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25

million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember

whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous

census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25

million new members in 2001 Census !!

> >

> > I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions)

come true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I

am wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made

public.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ == =====

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> >

> > Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM

> > World Population.. .?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I found this URL that may be of interest:

> >

> > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

> >

> > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions

and counting.

> >

> > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

> >

> > Very interesting. ..!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > ><SNIP>

> > >

> > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > -VJ

> >

> > <SNIP>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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