Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Prashant ji, You are too curious. I am supplying one of the reasons why 6227 millions and no other figure, on the condition that I have no time for another useless controversy. This 'reason " is rooted in ancient Saamkhya darshana, which Lord Krishna eulogized as the culmination of Knowledge ( " na hi saamkhya samam jnaanan, na hi yuga samam balam " ). There are two basic entities : Prakriti and Purusha. Purusha is pure Consciousness and intrinsically indivisible, although individual manifestations of purusha entertain illusions of separateness by dint of their bondage to flesh as a result of their past karmas ensuing from desires. Saamkhya is philosophy of the liberated souls, and therefore does not differentiate individual soul from the Universal spirit, and labels both under a single term Jna, for which many ignorant dvaitvaadins charged Saamkhya of atheism. Prakriti, on the other hand, has 23 constituents, apart from itself. On one side, it has panch-mahabhootas (prithvi, jala...) and their five tan-maatraas (roopa, rasa, gandha, sparsha, shabda). Remaing 13 elements for the kaarana shareera and are therefore called karana (instruments). There are three antah-karanas : buddhi, ahamkaara and mana, and teh baahya-karanas : five karma-indriyas and five jnaana-indriyas. The bhautika body does not accompany the soul after death. But the 13 elements accompany the soul from time immemorial, and will continue to accompany till final moksha. It is this kaarana-shareera which distinguises one jeeva from another. Astrologers know that even twins have some dofference in their charts. Similarly, all kaarana shareeras must have distinctive features to distinguish one jeeva from other. These distinctive features are of two types. One type is proportion of sins and virtues, which are stored in the form of desires with indriyas as Gita says. Birth into human yoni is caused when sins and virtues are approximately balanced with each other. Other type of distinctive features is related to uniqueness of a jeeva within a particular yoni. Since there are 13 constituent elements of kaarana shareera which takes a body during rebirth, there can be Factorial 13 (=13!) number of different distinctive combinations of these 13 elements. To put it otherwise, a language with 13 letters in its alphabet will have a maximum number of 13! different words in its language, on the condition that all words must have all 13 elements and every individual word must be unique in the sequence of these 13 letters. 13! is equal to 1 * 2 * 3 ..... *12 * 13 = 6,627,020,800 , or nearly 6227 millions. Sequence of 13 elements, with their unique proportions of sins and virtues, determines the overall character of a person and it is something like a translation of birthtime horoscope in another language. It is the actual GENETIC code, wnich is non-physical and cannot be deciphered by biologists, but the physical/chemical/biological genetic code is a result of this non-physical genetic code. In this sequence, if antah-karana elements take precedence and are pilots, the person will be saaatvika and pious. But if the karma organ phallus occupies the driving seat, the person will become a sex maniac, irrespective of other good or bad qualities. During satyuga, antah-karana elements took precedence. Hence, Buddhi (saatvika in-tellect capable of listening to in-tuition, different from modern Machiavellian intelligence which is actually extelligence) was foremost leader, followed by Ahamkaara and then my Mana (the egency of Samkalpa). These three elements emained fixed in sequence, and only 10 indriyas could change places in the genetic code. Hence, population was limited to 10!, or to 3,628,800 when modern sub-specie of Homo Sapiens started evolving (actually devolving) in the year 40000 BCE. One khanda-kalpa is of 43200 years, 42000 years of avasarpini (devolution) and 1200 years of utsarpini (evolution). In 2000 AD (Saura Makara Samkraanti) our avasarpini kaala-khanda ended. During its 42000 years of devolution, population and entire world history moved along a logarithmic timescale based on ten defined by terrestrial loxodrome which is the path on Earth traversed by successive eclipses during millenia. Logarithmic base of ten meant population rose by one factorial point during one point on log scale. Hence, 42000 years befor 2000 AD, population was at 10!, but 4200 years before 2000 AD population rose to 11! or 40 millions in 2200 BC which demographers accept. And 420 years befor 2000 AD, human population reached 12! or 479 millions in 1580 AD ; demographers give estimates around 480 millions. After that the curve of population growth slowed down gradually, because 13! is the Time Bomb for extinction of human race, which Nature strives to prevent through various peaceful means like rise in impotency or unwillingness to have children as well as through wars, diseases, etc. At the time of return journey of Comet Hare Paap (Hale Bopp), 4.2 years before 14th Jan 2000 AD , human population was equal to 5784634179 , given by following equation : -1! + 2! - 3! + 4! - 5! + 6! - 7! + 8! - 9! + 10! - 11! + 12! - 13! = -1 + 2 - 6 + 24 - 120 + 720 - 5040 + 40320 - 362880 + 3628800 - 39916800 + 479001600 - 6227020800 When you put these terms in a statistical Series, you get Sum = 57846 lakhs which was actual population in the beginning of Nov 1995, 4.2 years before D-day of 14 Jan 2000 AD. This population was short of 13! by 4424 lakhs. They were deviants, who deviated from norms. Half of them deviated towards virtues, or at least rejected to abide by the rules of Kaliyugi society, and the other half rejected all morality and were uplifted (or downlifted) by D-day. These 2212 lakh sinners were Doomsdayers who raised a great hue and cry over impending Doomsday in 2000 AD. Instead of repenting and expiating for their sins, they tried to save others, and went headlong to Hell which their perverted brains imagined to be Next Higher World. Hence, world population on 14 Jan 2000 was 6005827490 at the time of Saurpakshiya Makara Samkraanti. Gregorian reform changed the onset of Christian calendar from Saurpakshiya Makara Samkraanti which was Jan 1 prior to reforms in 1582 AD. 420 years before 2000 AD was a turning point in world history when 13th factorial of population unfolded, after which Renaissance finally triumphed, physical science and materialism suppressed astrology and religion, and pirates looted the whole planet to bring about an Industrial Revolution, converting farmers into labourers. When this 13th factorial was near its culmination, the last indriya upastha (phallus) became free to take leadership roles. Homosexuality was even legalized in many materially " advanced " societies. Even traditional societies became open to free sex & c, forgetting that sex was meant for procreation and not for entertainment. Scientists say Homo Sapiens evolved out of vegetarian primate stock, but non-veg diet became a norm among the majority of those who could afford, including most of the scientists. To be anti-natural in all walks of life became a sign of progress at this 13! stage. After such (carnal) knowledge, what forgivance !(-Waste Land). Extinction of in-tuition and of in-telligence, telepathy, religion, piety, innocence, etc, and consequent extinction of libido and potency as well. Human potency has reduced to half during past five decades, which is a sign of impending extinction. But nothing to worry about. The Devolutionary phase of avasarpini is over, and evolutionary phase of utsarpini has just begun. Real Pralaya is 2.35 billions of years away, and even khanda pralaya at the end of Kaliyuga is 426891 years away. If anyone thinks modern unnatural man is capable of evolving into a better specie, it is a wishful figment of imagination. Species do not evolve automatically. Mortals will never see the hands of Mother Nature, Who oversees this miracle of Evolution, which we turn into Devolution. Nine years ago, an article like this would have invited threats and bullets from prophets of Doomsday, but now I do not expect more than some mild personal remarks or perhaps abuses. So much evolution has already taken place during nine years of utsarpini ! I will not engage into any controversy. Those who differ will get proofs in due course of time. -Vinay Jha ==================== ======= ________________________________ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Monday, May 11, 2009 7:29:02 PM Re: World Population...? Dear Inder, tru it is heartening to note that and we r aware from time to time the Bhoo Devi will do its best to restore quilibrium or balance of forces in the world. but this limit of 6227 Billion sounds a bit interesting and want to know why this no and nothing more or less.... and in what form will nature cut its nos to size the bird flu, swine flu, trunamis, terrorism have v little contribution on the numbers game... and with ever expanding W asian pouplation across the stan nations it is amazing to see it really happen. Prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ Inder <indervohra2001@ .co. in> Monday, May 11, 2009 5:51:43 PM Re: World Population.. .? Dear friends, This prediction about human population getting ultimately limited to 6227 Millions is very intersting and soothing. It would provide much relief to people[like me] worrying about Global Warming and cosequent bad effects. Inder , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > RR JI, > > You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) ! Let us see what we get next ...! " > > > You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs. > > -VJ > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM > Re: World Population.. .? > > > > > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. > > Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... > > Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. > > I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs, > > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. > > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and > preciousness > > nature such great human efforts. > > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > > vrkrishnan > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > World Population.. .? > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > > > Very interesting. ..! > > > > RR > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > ><SNIP> > > > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > -VJ > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Vinay ji thanks for the reply I am studying them and will get back prashant ________________________________ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Monday, May 11, 2009 9:36:29 PM Re: World Population : Saamkhya explanation Prashant ji, You are too curious. I am supplying one of the reasons why 6227 millions and no other figure, on the condition that I have no time for another useless controversy. This 'reason " is rooted in ancient Saamkhya darshana, which Lord Krishna eulogized as the culmination of Knowledge ( " na hi saamkhya samam jnaanan, na hi yuga samam balam " ). There are two basic entities : Prakriti and Purusha. Purusha is pure Consciousness and intrinsically indivisible, although individual manifestations of purusha entertain illusions of separateness by dint of their bondage to flesh as a result of their past karmas ensuing from desires. Saamkhya is philosophy of the liberated souls, and therefore does not differentiate individual soul from the Universal spirit, and labels both under a single term Jna, for which many ignorant dvaitvaadins charged Saamkhya of atheism. Prakriti, on the other hand, has 23 constituents, apart from itself. On one side, it has panch-mahabhootas (prithvi, jala...) and their five tan-maatraas (roopa, rasa, gandha, sparsha, shabda). Remaing 13 elements for the kaarana shareera and are therefore called karana (instruments) . There are three antah-karanas : buddhi, ahamkaara and mana, and teh baahya-karanas : five karma-indriyas and five jnaana-indriyas. The bhautika body does not accompany the soul after death. But the 13 elements accompany the soul from time immemorial, and will continue to accompany till final moksha. It is this kaarana-shareera which distinguises one jeeva from another. Astrologers know that even twins have some dofference in their charts. Similarly, all kaarana shareeras must have distinctive features to distinguish one jeeva from other. These distinctive features are of two types. One type is proportion of sins and virtues, which are stored in the form of desires with indriyas as Gita says. Birth into human yoni is caused when sins and virtues are approximately balanced with each other. Other type of distinctive features is related to uniqueness of a jeeva within a particular yoni. Since there are 13 constituent elements of kaarana shareera which takes a body during rebirth, there can be Factorial 13 (=13!) number of different distinctive combinations of these 13 elements. To put it otherwise, a language with 13 letters in its alphabet will have a maximum number of 13! different words in its language, on the condition that all words must have all 13 elements and every individual word must be unique in the sequence of these 13 letters. 13! is equal to 1 * 2 * 3 ..... *12 * 13 = 6,627,020,800 , or nearly 6227 millions. Sequence of 13 elements, with their unique proportions of sins and virtues, determines the overall character of a person and it is something like a translation of birthtime horoscope in another language. It is the actual GENETIC code, wnich is non-physical and cannot be deciphered by biologists, but the physical/chemical/ biological genetic code is a result of this non-physical genetic code. In this sequence, if antah-karana elements take precedence and are pilots, the person will be saaatvika and pious. But if the karma organ phallus occupies the driving seat, the person will become a sex maniac, irrespective of other good or bad qualities. During satyuga, antah-karana elements took precedence. Hence, Buddhi (saatvika in-tellect capable of listening to in-tuition, different from modern Machiavellian intelligence which is actually extelligence) was foremost leader, followed by Ahamkaara and then my Mana (the egency of Samkalpa). These three elements emained fixed in sequence, and only 10 indriyas could change places in the genetic code. Hence, population was limited to 10!, or to 3,628,800 when modern sub-specie of Homo Sapiens started evolving (actually devolving) in the year 40000 BCE. One khanda-kalpa is of 43200 years, 42000 years of avasarpini (devolution) and 1200 years of utsarpini (evolution). In 2000 AD (Saura Makara Samkraanti) our avasarpini kaala-khanda ended. During its 42000 years of devolution, population and entire world history moved along a logarithmic timescale based on ten defined by terrestrial loxodrome which is the path on Earth traversed by successive eclipses during millenia. Logarithmic base of ten meant population rose by one factorial point during one point on log scale. Hence, 42000 years befor 2000 AD, population was at 10!, but 4200 years before 2000 AD population rose to 11! or 40 millions in 2200 BC which demographers accept. And 420 years befor 2000 AD, human population reached 12! or 479 millions in 1580 AD ; demographers give estimates around 480 millions. After that the curve of population growth slowed down gradually, because 13! is the Time Bomb for extinction of human race, which Nature strives to prevent through various peaceful means like rise in impotency or unwillingness to have children as well as through wars, diseases, etc. At the time of return journey of Comet Hare Paap (Hale Bopp), 4.2 years before 14th Jan 2000 AD , human population was equal to 5784634179 , given by following equation : -1! + 2! - 3! + 4! - 5! + 6! - 7! + 8! - 9! + 10! - 11! + 12! - 13! = -1 + 2 - 6 + 24 - 120 + 720 - 5040 + 40320 - 362880 + 3628800 - 39916800 + 479001600 - 6227020800 When you put these terms in a statistical Series, you get Sum = 57846 lakhs which was actual population in the beginning of Nov 1995, 4.2 years before D-day of 14 Jan 2000 AD. This population was short of 13! by 4424 lakhs. They were deviants, who deviated from norms. Half of them deviated towards virtues, or at least rejected to abide by the rules of Kaliyugi society, and the other half rejected all morality and were uplifted (or downlifted) by D-day. These 2212 lakh sinners were Doomsdayers who raised a great hue and cry over impending Doomsday in 2000 AD. Instead of repenting and expiating for their sins, they tried to save others, and went headlong to Hell which their perverted brains imagined to be Next Higher World. Hence, world population on 14 Jan 2000 was 6005827490 at the time of Saurpakshiya Makara Samkraanti. Gregorian reform changed the onset of Christian calendar from Saurpakshiya Makara Samkraanti which was Jan 1 prior to reforms in 1582 AD. 420 years before 2000 AD was a turning point in world history when 13th factorial of population unfolded, after which Renaissance finally triumphed, physical science and materialism suppressed astrology and religion, and pirates looted the whole planet to bring about an Industrial Revolution, converting farmers into labourers. When this 13th factorial was near its culmination, the last indriya upastha (phallus) became free to take leadership roles. Homosexuality was even legalized in many materially " advanced " societies. Even traditional societies became open to free sex & c, forgetting that sex was meant for procreation and not for entertainment. Scientists say Homo Sapiens evolved out of vegetarian primate stock, but non-veg diet became a norm among the majority of those who could afford, including most of the scientists. To be anti-natural in all walks of life became a sign of progress at this 13! stage. After such (carnal) knowledge, what forgivance !(-Waste Land). Extinction of in-tuition and of in-telligence, telepathy, religion, piety, innocence, etc, and consequent extinction of libido and potency as well. Human potency has reduced to half during past five decades, which is a sign of impending extinction. But nothing to worry about. The Devolutionary phase of avasarpini is over, and evolutionary phase of utsarpini has just begun. Real Pralaya is 2.35 billions of years away, and even khanda pralaya at the end of Kaliyuga is 426891 years away. If anyone thinks modern unnatural man is capable of evolving into a better specie, it is a wishful figment of imagination. Species do not evolve automatically. Mortals will never see the hands of Mother Nature, Who oversees this miracle of Evolution, which we turn into Devolution. Nine years ago, an article like this would have invited threats and bullets from prophets of Doomsday, but now I do not expect more than some mild personal remarks or perhaps abuses. So much evolution has already taken place during nine years of utsarpini ! I will not engage into any controversy. Those who differ will get proofs in due course of time. -Vinay Jha ============ ======== ======= ____________ _________ _________ __ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Monday, May 11, 2009 7:29:02 PM Re: World Population.. .? Dear Inder, tru it is heartening to note that and we r aware from time to time the Bhoo Devi will do its best to restore quilibrium or balance of forces in the world. but this limit of 6227 Billion sounds a bit interesting and want to know why this no and nothing more or less.... and in what form will nature cut its nos to size the bird flu, swine flu, trunamis, terrorism have v little contribution on the numbers game... and with ever expanding W asian pouplation across the stan nations it is amazing to see it really happen. Prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ Inder <indervohra2001@ .co. in> Monday, May 11, 2009 5:51:43 PM Re: World Population.. .? Dear friends, This prediction about human population getting ultimately limited to 6227 Millions is very intersting and soothing. It would provide much relief to people[like me] worrying about Global Warming and cosequent bad effects. Inder , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > RR JI, > > You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) ! Let us see what we get next ...! " > > > You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs. > > -VJ > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM > Re: World Population.. .? > > > > > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. > > Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... > > Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. > > I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs, > > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. > > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and > preciousness > > nature such great human efforts. > > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > > vrkrishnan > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > World Population.. .? > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > > > Very interesting. ..! > > > > RR > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > ><SNIP> > > > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > -VJ > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Vinay Ji, Thanks for sharing that. But what if the value 6227020800 represents an 'optimum' instead of a maximum? What if, Earth can only sustain efficiently that many human beings for whatever reasons of resources or pollution counts etc? What if when that number is exceeded there is an increase in wars, deaths, tsunamis, famines and other occurences that would swing the population count towards that optimum number of 6227020800? And since human being was not born to be perfect and yet remain human, the wisdom is in using discipline and avoid greed and coveting material pleasures just for the sake of pleasure and even before that number of 6227020800 is reached, perhaps we should begin to change our ways and focus and try to remain within the " green " zone! If we do not, then calamities would increase in frequency and bring us back to the OPTIMUM. Perhaps the day human beings crossed that number of 6227020800 Kaliyuga commenced! I will let those better in modern and ancient math figure that out. Just a thought! Rohiniranjan , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Prashant ji, > > You are too curious. I am supplying one of the reasons why 6227 millions and no other figure, on the condition that I have no time for another useless controversy. This 'reason " is rooted in ancient Saamkhya darshana, which Lord Krishna eulogized as the culmination of Knowledge ( " na hi saamkhya samam jnaanan, na hi yuga samam balam " ). > > There are two basic entities : Prakriti and Purusha. Purusha is pure Consciousness and intrinsically indivisible, although individual manifestations of purusha entertain illusions of separateness by dint of their bondage to flesh as a result of their past karmas ensuing from desires. Saamkhya is philosophy of the liberated souls, and therefore does not differentiate individual soul from the Universal spirit, and labels both under a single term Jna, for which many ignorant dvaitvaadins charged Saamkhya of atheism. > > Prakriti, on the other hand, has 23 constituents, apart from itself. On one side, it has panch-mahabhootas (prithvi, jala...) and their five tan-maatraas (roopa, rasa, gandha, sparsha, shabda). Remaing 13 elements for the kaarana shareera and are therefore called karana (instruments). There are three antah-karanas : buddhi, ahamkaara and mana, and teh baahya-karanas : five karma-indriyas and five jnaana-indriyas. > > The bhautika body does not accompany the soul after death. But the 13 elements accompany the soul from time immemorial, and will continue to accompany till final moksha. > > It is this kaarana-shareera which distinguises one jeeva from another. Astrologers know that even twins have some dofference in their charts. Similarly, all kaarana shareeras must have distinctive features to distinguish one jeeva from other. These distinctive features are of two types. One type is proportion of sins and virtues, which are stored in the form of desires with indriyas as Gita says. Birth into human yoni is caused when sins and virtues are approximately balanced with each other. Other type of distinctive features is related to uniqueness of a jeeva within a particular yoni. Since there are 13 constituent elements of kaarana shareera which takes a body during rebirth, there can be Factorial 13 (=13!) number of different distinctive combinations of these 13 elements. > > To put it otherwise, a language with 13 letters in its alphabet will have a maximum number of 13! different words in its language, on the condition that all words must have all 13 elements and every individual word must be unique in the sequence of these 13 letters. > > 13! is equal to 1 * 2 * 3 ..... *12 * 13 = 6,627,020,800 , or nearly 6227 millions. > > Sequence of 13 elements, with their unique proportions of sins and virtues, determines the overall character of a person and it is something like a translation of birthtime horoscope in another language. It is the actual GENETIC code, wnich is non-physical and cannot be deciphered by biologists, but the physical/chemical/biological genetic code is a result of this non-physical genetic code. > > In this sequence, if antah-karana elements take precedence and are pilots, the person will be saaatvika and pious. But if the karma organ phallus occupies the driving seat, the person will become a sex maniac, irrespective of other good or bad qualities. > > During satyuga, antah-karana elements took precedence. Hence, Buddhi (saatvika in-tellect capable of listening to in-tuition, different from modern Machiavellian intelligence which is actually extelligence) was foremost leader, followed by Ahamkaara and then my Mana (the egency of Samkalpa). These three elements emained fixed in sequence, and only 10 indriyas could change places in the genetic code. Hence, population was limited to 10!, or to 3,628,800 when modern sub-specie of Homo Sapiens started evolving (actually devolving) in the year 40000 BCE. > > One khanda-kalpa is of 43200 years, 42000 years of avasarpini (devolution) and 1200 years of utsarpini (evolution). In 2000 AD (Saura Makara Samkraanti) our avasarpini kaala-khanda ended. During its 42000 years of devolution, population and entire world history moved along a logarithmic timescale based on ten defined by terrestrial loxodrome which is the path on Earth traversed by successive eclipses during millenia. Logarithmic base of ten meant population rose by one factorial point during one point on log scale. Hence, 42000 years befor 2000 AD, population was at 10!, but 4200 years before 2000 AD population rose to 11! or 40 millions in 2200 BC which demographers accept. And 420 years befor 2000 AD, human population reached 12! or 479 millions in 1580 AD ; demographers give estimates around 480 millions. > > After that the curve of population growth slowed down gradually, because 13! is the Time Bomb for extinction of human race, which Nature strives to prevent through various peaceful means like rise in impotency or unwillingness to have children as well as through wars, diseases, etc. > > At the time of return journey of Comet Hare Paap (Hale Bopp), 4.2 years before 14th Jan 2000 AD , human population was equal to 5784634179 , given by following equation : > > -1! + 2! - 3! + 4! - 5! + 6! - 7! + 8! - 9! + 10! - 11! + 12! - 13! = > > -1 + 2 - 6 + 24 - 120 + 720 - 5040 + 40320 - 362880 + 3628800 - 39916800 + 479001600 - 6227020800 > > When you put these terms in a statistical Series, you get Sum = 57846 lakhs which was actual population in the beginning of Nov 1995, 4.2 years before D-day of 14 Jan 2000 AD. > > This population was short of 13! by 4424 lakhs. They were deviants, who deviated from norms. Half of them deviated towards virtues, or at least rejected to abide by the rules of Kaliyugi society, and the other half rejected all morality and were uplifted (or downlifted) by D-day. These 2212 lakh sinners were Doomsdayers who raised a great hue and cry over impending Doomsday in 2000 AD. Instead of repenting and expiating for their sins, they tried to save others, and went headlong to Hell which their perverted brains imagined to be Next Higher World. Hence, world population on 14 Jan 2000 was 6005827490 at the time of Saurpakshiya Makara Samkraanti. > > Gregorian reform changed the onset of Christian calendar from Saurpakshiya Makara Samkraanti which was Jan 1 prior to reforms in 1582 AD. > > 420 years before 2000 AD was a turning point in world history when 13th factorial of population unfolded, after which Renaissance finally triumphed, physical science and materialism suppressed astrology and religion, and pirates looted the whole planet to bring about an Industrial Revolution, converting farmers into labourers. > > When this 13th factorial was near its culmination, the last indriya upastha (phallus) became free to take leadership roles. Homosexuality was even legalized in many materially " advanced " societies. Even traditional societies became open to free sex & c, forgetting that sex was meant for procreation and not for entertainment. Scientists say Homo Sapiens evolved out of vegetarian primate stock, but non-veg diet became a norm among the majority of those who could afford, including most of the scientists. To be anti-natural in all walks of life became a sign of progress at this 13! stage. > > After such (carnal) knowledge, what forgivance !(-Waste Land). Extinction of in-tuition and of in-telligence, telepathy, religion, piety, innocence, etc, and consequent extinction of libido and potency as well. Human potency has reduced to half during past five decades, which is a sign of impending extinction. > > But nothing to worry about. The Devolutionary phase of avasarpini is over, and evolutionary phase of utsarpini has just begun. Real Pralaya is 2.35 billions of years away, and even khanda pralaya at the end of Kaliyuga is 426891 years away. > > If anyone thinks modern unnatural man is capable of evolving into a better specie, it is a wishful figment of imagination. Species do not evolve automatically. Mortals will never see the hands of Mother Nature, Who oversees this miracle of Evolution, which we turn into Devolution. > > Nine years ago, an article like this would have invited threats and > bullets from prophets of Doomsday, but now I do not expect more than > some mild personal remarks or perhaps abuses. So much evolution has > already taken place during nine years of utsarpini ! > > I will not engage into any controversy. Those who differ will get proofs in due course of time. > > -Vinay Jha > ==================== ======= > > > ________________________________ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Monday, May 11, 2009 7:29:02 PM > Re: World Population...? > Dear Inder, > > tru it is heartening to note that and we r aware from time to time the Bhoo Devi will do its best to restore quilibrium or balance of forces in the world. > > but this limit of 6227 Billion sounds a bit interesting and want to know why this no and nothing more or less.... > and in what form will nature cut its nos to size > > the bird flu, swine flu, trunamis, terrorism have v little contribution on the numbers game... > and with ever expanding W asian pouplation across the stan nations it is amazing to see it really happen. > > Prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Inder <indervohra2001@ .co. in> > > Monday, May 11, 2009 5:51:43 PM > Re: World Population.. .? > > Dear friends, > This prediction about human population getting ultimately limited to 6227 Millions is very intersting and soothing. > It would provide much relief to people[like me] worrying about Global Warming and cosequent bad effects. > Inder > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > RR JI, > > > > You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) ! Let us see what we get next ...! " > > > > > > You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs. > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM > > Re: World Population.. .? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > > > Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. > > > > Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... > > > > Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. > > > > I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! > > > > RR > > > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. > > > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > > > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and > > preciousness > > > nature such great human efforts. > > > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > > > vrkrishnan > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > World Population.. .? > > > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > > > > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > > > > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > > > > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > > > > > Very interesting. ..! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > ><SNIP> > > > > > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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