Confusion between isht, dharam and paalan devta

[Guest guest]

Dear All

Om

 

Its always good to see the vedic culture rising with the help of groups like

this. I, too, slowly, have found interest in this vast field of vedic knowledge.

But I am just a beginner. So, please forgive me if I go wrong somewhere.

I have learnt that the best way to try your astrology knowledge is to try it on

yourself. So, I have started it that way.

First of all, the details:

 

DOB - 09-Nov-1990

Time - 09:06 AM

Place - Ludhiana, Punjab

 

I have a few questions which I think are primitive at this stage.

Firstly, what is the difference between a dharma devta and isht devta? I mean I

know that dharma devta helps one in achieving his dreams while isht devta frees

the soul from the rush of this world. But, then why are some people told to

worship dharma devta and some isht devta? Does this thing depend upon the age of

subject.

 

Dharma devta is taken from the 6th house of karkamsa and isht devta from 12th

house of karkamsa. But what if these house contain marakas or malefic planets?

Like in my case, shukra (paalan devta graha) and budh (dharma devta graha) are

makaras (vrishchik lagna) and mangal(isht devta graha) is a natural malefic. So

how do I go through this? Moreover, according to BPHS, even rashis denote female

deities. In my case, the isht devta graha is in vrishchik rashi and hence female

deity. So does this mean that I should worship some female deity for mangal and

not hanuman or skanda. Who is that deity?

 

Or should I pray to Maa Lakshmi, Maa Durga/Vishnu and Narasimha roop of

Vishnu/Hanuman/Skanda respectively? But here also, there's a problem. I feel

myself strongly attached to Shiva ji and Ganesh ji and not at all to Vishnu ji.

Moreover, moon being in bhagya sthan, shiv ji is the doer of all things for me.

Isn't it? How do I get out of this confusion?

 

Second: I have a combust mercury sitting in my lagna and the lagnesh (mangal)

sitting in 7th house from lagna. This should mean great anger and irritable

nature, which I have. But then, the state of budh should mean problems related

to skin ( i have those), poor argumentative and analytical powers (false), poor

mathematician (false) and poor memory (i don't know). So how does astrology

define this thing?

 

Last: Shani is my atmakaraka. Shukra is the amatyakarka. Moreover, I am into

engineering/technical field (shani's brach). So should one always work towards

strengthening the AK and AmK graha, even if they are placed in dushthans or

enemy houses (though not in my case)?

 

Personal problem: I have started having breathing problems for the past 1 month.

Doctors diagnose it as psychogenic dyspnea and hence, have put me on

anti-anxiety pills. They say that I am taking a lot of stress these days which I

feel is not true at all. So what does astrology has to say about it? I still

don't know how to prepare a daily or yearly chart. So please guide me through

this.

 

If you can help me with my questions, it will be really great. I would feel

privileged by being a tiny part of this whole ocean of vedic astrology.

 

Your eternal well-wisher

Himanshu Bhatia

[Guest guest]

Namasthe,

 

Dear Himanshu Bhatia,

 

In order to answer your questions, I will have to quote a lot of principles of

Hora. Yet I shall try my best since you are trying to learn the subject.

 

Every human being has 4 forms of devatas. They are in the order

Ishta devatha, Dharma devatha, grama devatha. Ishta devatha can also be Upasana

devatha , dharma devatha and grama devatha

 

Ishta devatha, simply speaking is the devatha that each individual likes, loves,

respect most. It is too personal related to ones mind & soul. It may also be

deity that comes to the mind when in distress.

 

Upasana devatha is the devatha one worships on a regular and systematic way.

 

Dharma devatha on the other hand is the deity that was being worshiped in the

family by ones ancestors. In other words, your Upasana devatha may be considered

as the dharma devatha by your children & grand children.

 

Grama devatha is the presiding deity of the village you / family lives.

 

Unlike BPHS & Gimini systems, Varahamihira, Prasna Marga provides some pointers

to find these deities.

 

4th house indicates Mind, mother, home, village, friends etc. Hence naturally by

logic, 4th indicates ones dharma devatha, grama devatha as well as Ishta devatha

also. 9th house indicates ones ancestors, father, & Guru. Hence this is also

called Upasana Sthana. So, 9th may be considered for Upasana devatha.

 

Lords of these houses, the planets placed there, aspecting the house, their

Navamsa lord etc , planets in the Kendra / trikona all can indicate the deity.

 

In your case, the 4th from Chandra who is also the karaka for mind, is Libra

(thula) with Sun & venus. Sun is Shiva & Venus is Maha lakshmi in Tula sign

(business) and also is considered to represent Lord Ganesha. Venus who is

placed in the own sign & navamsa in Taurus sign (cattle & farms) also represent

or also has an attribute of Devi Annapoorneswari – Food , rice, etc. The

association of sun pitra karaka sun with venus also indicates that your are

family of traditional farmers or owns farms and also may be engaged in business.

 

 

Both your lagna & Chandra lagna are strong with Mars, the lagna lord aspecting

lagna and mercury placed there and Jupiter exalted in the Chandra lagna and Moon

placed in the own house of Karkata (Cancer).

 

The position of sun + venus in the 4th house & saturn's aspect to the 4th house

from lagna shows that you own / shall own 2 house an old house in dilapidated

condition and another new house.

 

Hanuman is indicated when Saturn & Mercury the only Kleeba planets (Impotent)

planets are in mutual association. Skanda is indicated by Mars particularly in

Male sign & navamsa. Here Mars in Female sign & male Navamsa of Dwi swabhava

rasi. aspected by Mercury again in the female sign & male navamsa of leo – being

8th lord and mars navamsa in 8th house (which is also samhara rasi), this deity

is a fierce female deity like kali, narasimhi, Durga who is " Vahana " is lion

etc. Mars being retrograde & associated with 8th lord, this deity is also

responsible for the physical issues you are having.

 

6th lord Jupiter along with ketu & moon in Cancer also plays a significant role

regarding physical problems.

 

This is a deeper issue, on once glance, you are mainly of Pitha prakrithi &

hence body heat (also indicated by agni Bhootodaya at the time of birth) /

sweating will be more. Lagna & Chandra being in Madhya Drekana Indicates the

middle portion of the body. Coupled with this info & lagna being Scorpio shows

some issues in the lower abdomen area – malfunction of glands, constitution

problems. This is further indicated by the aspect of Mars to the Leo sign

(Kukshi- abdomen). This may also lead to problems related with kidney / stones /

gall bladder etc. Mercury + 6th lord + mars also indicates mental troubles /

worries etc.

 

Mercury in the lagna makes a person intelligent, but since the mars is in the

Kendra & is more powerful, anger supersedes intelligence / analytical powers

etc. It may also give a flair for cunningness some of which is held in check by

the exalted Jupiter in the Chandra lagna.

 

I hope this helps you in your study and to understand yourself. There are many

other factors I have not mentioned here such as dasa (Ketu - Jupiter ) etc.

 

May lord show you the right way.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

, " wicked_himanshu " <wicked_himanshu

wrote:

>

> Dear All

> Om

>

> Its always good to see the vedic culture rising with the help of groups like

this. I, too, slowly, have found interest in this vast field of vedic knowledge.

But I am just a beginner. So, please forgive me if I go wrong somewhere.

> I have learnt that the best way to try your astrology knowledge is to try it

on yourself. So, I have started it that way.

> First of all, the details:

>

> DOB - 09-Nov-1990

> Time - 09:06 AM

> Place - Ludhiana, Punjab

>

> I have a few questions which I think are primitive at this stage.

> Firstly, what is the difference between a dharma devta and isht devta? I mean

I know that dharma devta helps one in achieving his dreams while isht devta

frees the soul from the rush of this world. But, then why are some people told

to worship dharma devta and some isht devta? Does this thing depend upon the age

of subject.

>

> Dharma devta is taken from the 6th house of karkamsa and isht devta from 12th

house of karkamsa. But what if these house contain marakas or malefic planets?

Like in my case, shukra (paalan devta graha) and budh (dharma devta graha) are

makaras (vrishchik lagna) and mangal(isht devta graha) is a natural malefic. So

how do I go through this? Moreover, according to BPHS, even rashis denote female

deities. In my case, the isht devta graha is in vrishchik rashi and hence female

deity. So does this mean that I should worship some female deity for mangal and

not hanuman or skanda. Who is that deity?

>

> Or should I pray to Maa Lakshmi, Maa Durga/Vishnu and Narasimha roop of

Vishnu/Hanuman/Skanda respectively? But here also, there's a problem. I feel

myself strongly attached to Shiva ji and Ganesh ji and not at all to Vishnu ji.

Moreover, moon being in bhagya sthan, shiv ji is the doer of all things for me.

Isn't it? How do I get out of this confusion?

>

> Second: I have a combust mercury sitting in my lagna and the lagnesh (mangal)

sitting in 7th house from lagna. This should mean great anger and irritable

nature, which I have. But then, the state of budh should mean problems related

to skin ( i have those), poor argumentative and analytical powers (false), poor

mathematician (false) and poor memory (i don't know). So how does astrology

define this thing?

>

> Last: Shani is my atmakaraka. Shukra is the amatyakarka. Moreover, I am into

engineering/technical field (shani's brach). So should one always work towards

strengthening the AK and AmK graha, even if they are placed in dushthans or

enemy houses (though not in my case)?

>

> Personal problem: I have started having breathing problems for the past 1

month. Doctors diagnose it as psychogenic dyspnea and hence, have put me on

anti-anxiety pills. They say that I am taking a lot of stress these days which I

feel is not true at all. So what does astrology has to say about it? I still

don't know how to prepare a daily or yearly chart. So please guide me through

this.

>

> If you can help me with my questions, it will be really great. I would feel

privileged by being a tiny part of this whole ocean of vedic astrology.

>

> Your eternal well-wisher

> Himanshu Bhatia

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Suresh Babu

Om

 

Thank you for showering light on the topic. The material is really knowledgeable

and broad.

After reading it, I have a few questions in mind.

 

First: You mentioned about the isht devta but then shouldn't he be a vishu

avtaar because afterall, vishnu ji is the one who holds the sudarshan chakra

which in turn leads to moksha.

 

Second: You calculated the ruling deities by checking the 4th house from

Chandra. But then BPHS (shlokas 63-74, Effects of Karak & #257; & #324; & #347;)

writes the way which I mentioned earlier i.e., looking for 12th house and 6th

from karkamsa (navamsa rasi of atmakarak graha) for isht devta and dharam devta.

Explain the confusion.

 

Third: My ancestors are Arya Samaj followers and hence followed no deity. So I

would never know my dharam devta. What should one do in that case?

 

Fourth: You mentioned that sun and venus being together shows that my family did

farming/business/owned lands. But this is not correct. My family, as far as I

know, was all into professional fields. My great great grandfather and my great

grandfather were teachers. My grandfather was a doctor and now my father is in

pharmaceutical firm. So how would you explain this?

 

Fifth: I learnt that the number of akshars one should have in his mantra for

praying the deity is determined by the bhava number in which ketu is placed in

the navamsa chart. Please elaborate on this and tell me the mantra too for Maa

Durga.

 

Sixth: Please explain the question I raised for shani (AK) and shukra (AmK).

Should I work towards making shani strong? Its vargottam graha too. I am into

engineering studies.

 

 

What you wrote for anger superseding intelligence/analytical power is absolutely

correct. 90% of my decisions and choices are ruled by my arrogance and anger.

The pitt prakriti point which you mentioned is also true because I feel it in

me. But I am lazy and emotional and attaching too (traits of kapha prakriti). I

guess they may be due to the strong moon factor. Am I right?

 

From all what you say, what I get is that throughout my life, I'll have to work

to make mangal better. I always knew this angry and irritable nature will lead

to nowhere!

 

What you explained was great. I would love to read more from you on the points I

asked.

 

 

Your eternal well-wisher

Himanshu Bhatia

 

 

 

, " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

>

> Namasthe,

>

> Dear Himanshu Bhatia,

>

> In order to answer your questions, I will have to quote a lot of principles of

Hora. Yet I shall try my best since you are trying to learn the subject.

>

> Every human being has 4 forms of devatas. They are in the order

> Ishta devatha, Dharma devatha, grama devatha. Ishta devatha can also be

Upasana devatha , dharma devatha and grama devatha

>

> Ishta devatha, simply speaking is the devatha that each individual likes,

loves, respect most. It is too personal related to ones mind & soul. It may also

be deity that comes to the mind when in distress.

>

> Upasana devatha is the devatha one worships on a regular and systematic way.

>

> Dharma devatha on the other hand is the deity that was being worshiped in the

family by ones ancestors. In other words, your Upasana devatha may be considered

as the dharma devatha by your children & grand children.

>

> Grama devatha is the presiding deity of the village you / family lives.

>

> Unlike BPHS & Gimini systems, Varahamihira, Prasna Marga provides some

pointers to find these deities.

>

> 4th house indicates Mind, mother, home, village, friends etc. Hence naturally

by logic, 4th indicates ones dharma devatha, grama devatha as well as Ishta

devatha also. 9th house indicates ones ancestors, father, & Guru. Hence this is

also called Upasana Sthana. So, 9th may be considered for Upasana devatha.

>

> Lords of these houses, the planets placed there, aspecting the house, their

Navamsa lord etc , planets in the Kendra / trikona all can indicate the deity.

>

> In your case, the 4th from Chandra who is also the karaka for mind, is Libra

(thula) with Sun & venus. Sun is Shiva & Venus is Maha lakshmi in Tula sign

(business) and also is considered to represent Lord Ganesha. Venus who is

placed in the own sign & navamsa in Taurus sign (cattle & farms) also represent

or also has an attribute of Devi Annapoorneswari – Food , rice, etc. The

association of sun pitra karaka sun with venus also indicates that your are

family of traditional farmers or owns farms and also may be engaged in business.

>

>

> Both your lagna & Chandra lagna are strong with Mars, the lagna lord aspecting

lagna and mercury placed there and Jupiter exalted in the Chandra lagna and Moon

placed in the own house of Karkata (Cancer).

>

> The position of sun + venus in the 4th house & saturn's aspect to the 4th

house from lagna shows that you own / shall own 2 house an old house in

dilapidated condition and another new house.

>

> Hanuman is indicated when Saturn & Mercury the only Kleeba planets (Impotent)

planets are in mutual association. Skanda is indicated by Mars particularly in

Male sign & navamsa. Here Mars in Female sign & male Navamsa of Dwi swabhava

rasi. aspected by Mercury again in the female sign & male navamsa of leo – being

8th lord and mars navamsa in 8th house (which is also samhara rasi), this deity

is a fierce female deity like kali, narasimhi, Durga who is " Vahana " is lion

etc. Mars being retrograde & associated with 8th lord, this deity is also

responsible for the physical issues you are having.

>

> 6th lord Jupiter along with ketu & moon in Cancer also plays a significant

role regarding physical problems.

>

> This is a deeper issue, on once glance, you are mainly of Pitha prakrithi &

hence body heat (also indicated by agni Bhootodaya at the time of birth) /

sweating will be more. Lagna & Chandra being in Madhya Drekana Indicates the

middle portion of the body. Coupled with this info & lagna being Scorpio shows

some issues in the lower abdomen area – malfunction of glands, constitution

problems. This is further indicated by the aspect of Mars to the Leo sign

(Kukshi- abdomen). This may also lead to problems related with kidney / stones /

gall bladder etc. Mercury + 6th lord + mars also indicates mental troubles /

worries etc.

>

> Mercury in the lagna makes a person intelligent, but since the mars is in the

Kendra & is more powerful, anger supersedes intelligence / analytical powers

etc. It may also give a flair for cunningness some of which is held in check by

the exalted Jupiter in the Chandra lagna.

>

> I hope this helps you in your study and to understand yourself. There are many

other factors I have not mentioned here such as dasa (Ketu - Jupiter ) etc.

>

> May lord show you the right way.

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

> , " wicked_himanshu " <wicked_himanshu@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear All

> > Om

> >

> > Its always good to see the vedic culture rising with the help of groups like

this. I, too, slowly, have found interest in this vast field of vedic knowledge.

But I am just a beginner. So, please forgive me if I go wrong somewhere.

> > I have learnt that the best way to try your astrology knowledge is to try it

on yourself. So, I have started it that way.

> > First of all, the details:

> >

> > DOB - 09-Nov-1990

> > Time - 09:06 AM

> > Place - Ludhiana, Punjab

> >

> > I have a few questions which I think are primitive at this stage.

> > Firstly, what is the difference between a dharma devta and isht devta? I

mean I know that dharma devta helps one in achieving his dreams while isht devta

frees the soul from the rush of this world. But, then why are some people told

to worship dharma devta and some isht devta? Does this thing depend upon the age

of subject.

> >

> > Dharma devta is taken from the 6th house of karkamsa and isht devta from

12th house of karkamsa. But what if these house contain marakas or malefic

planets? Like in my case, shukra (paalan devta graha) and budh (dharma devta

graha) are makaras (vrishchik lagna) and mangal(isht devta graha) is a natural

malefic. So how do I go through this? Moreover, according to BPHS, even rashis

denote female deities. In my case, the isht devta graha is in vrishchik rashi

and hence female deity. So does this mean that I should worship some female

deity for mangal and not hanuman or skanda. Who is that deity?

> >

> > Or should I pray to Maa Lakshmi, Maa Durga/Vishnu and Narasimha roop of

Vishnu/Hanuman/Skanda respectively? But here also, there's a problem. I feel

myself strongly attached to Shiva ji and Ganesh ji and not at all to Vishnu ji.

Moreover, moon being in bhagya sthan, shiv ji is the doer of all things for me.

Isn't it? How do I get out of this confusion?

> >

> > Second: I have a combust mercury sitting in my lagna and the lagnesh

(mangal) sitting in 7th house from lagna. This should mean great anger and

irritable nature, which I have. But then, the state of budh should mean problems

related to skin ( i have those), poor argumentative and analytical powers

(false), poor mathematician (false) and poor memory (i don't know). So how does

astrology define this thing?

> >

> > Last: Shani is my atmakaraka. Shukra is the amatyakarka. Moreover, I am into

engineering/technical field (shani's brach). So should one always work towards

strengthening the AK and AmK graha, even if they are placed in dushthans or

enemy houses (though not in my case)?

> >

> > Personal problem: I have started having breathing problems for the past 1

month. Doctors diagnose it as psychogenic dyspnea and hence, have put me on

anti-anxiety pills. They say that I am taking a lot of stress these days which I

feel is not true at all. So what does astrology has to say about it? I still

don't know how to prepare a daily or yearly chart. So please guide me through

this.

> >

> > If you can help me with my questions, it will be really great. I would feel

privileged by being a tiny part of this whole ocean of vedic astrology.

> >

> > Your eternal well-wisher

> > Himanshu Bhatia

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Himanshu,

 

 

First let clarify about an error I made in my first post

 

" Unlike BPHS & Gimini systems, Varahamihira, Prasna Marga provides some pointers

to find these deities. "

 

What I actually meant to write was " Unlike BPHS & Gimini Systems that use Chara

karaka etc, Prasna Marga provides some simple & direct pointers to find these

deities " .

 

Due to my busy engagement at the time of writing, I missed out some words that

could be interpreted in a different way. Hence, the clarification. It does not

mean to reduce the importance of BPHS or Gemini systems in any way which we all

use. And Prasna Marga is not for general classification of deities unlike a

general notion, it needs very deep understanding.

 

Secondly, I had also mentioned, it is not easy to answer all your questions in

one shot.

 

Pls note that, I have only mentioned the system of analysis used to find the

Ishta / Dharma devatha etc. This is because, these factors vary and caste, sect

etc also should be considered while analyzing the situation.

 

You mentioned about your ancestors being Arya Samaji's. Since when? It is my

understanding that the people who choose the arya samaj path where also

worshipers of deities just like any other Hindus and did so / were forced to due

to socio / economic conditions that prevailed in those times.

 

The biggest question is, If you are Arya Samaji and do not worship any deity,

what prompted you to think / to know about such worship and dharma devatha or

Ishta devatha?. Vishnu / Shiva / durga / Maha laxmi or any other – does it

matter which one?. None should be of any interest to you. For example: we are

talking about these deities only because we are Indians. What should we tell if

the chart belonged to a American or a Russian?. Can we force our deities on

them?. Or does astrology applies only to the Indians?.

 

/First: You mentioned about the isht devta but then shouldn't he be a vishu

avtaar because afterall, vishnu ji is the one who holds the sudarshan chakra

which in turn leads to moksha/

 

This is not a topic of astrology. Vishnavaites claim it is Vishnu, Shaivates say

it is Shiva / Rudra & Shaktas say it is Parameswari. Veda Vyasa says Vishnu

Sahasranama saves every one and leads to moksha. On the death bed of Bhishma,

Yudhishtira asks him to show the way for moksha and Bhishama advices him Shiva

Sahasranama. In Devi Bhagavatham, Devi takes all the three Brahma, Vishnu &

Shiva on a tour and they were perplexed to find other brahma , Vishnu & shiva in

other lokas. Then Devi explains that I created all of you. In Shiva purana, Lord

Shiva categorically states that those who differentiate between Vishnu & Shiva

shall fall into hell. There is no difference between us. I am Vishnu & Vishnu is

Shiva. These are very deep topics to be taken lightly.

 

Just remember

" ekam sad vipraH bahudha vadanti "

 

" akaashat patitam thoyam "

" yatha gacChati saagaram "

" sarva deva namaskaram "

" keshavam pratigacChati "

 

Trying to understand such deep subject is a great trait but do not forget your

responsibilities also. There is time for every thing.

 

Then why do we want to know about specific deities or their significance in once

life?. This again is a vast subject. Every thing living in this world including

Human beings are made of Pancha Bhoothas , mind & soul represented by 5 thara

grihas, Moon (mind) & Sun (Soul). Human character , nature changes according to

the strength & weakness and Gunas of these factors. Going slightly deeper these

also represent the 7 Kundalinee chakras. Some say it 6 and the 7th is moksha.

These also represent the 7 gates that leads to paramathma. During the sojourn of

soul through different life cycles, one may pass or reach these gates and hence

the natural affinity to the deity which represent that chakra. Dharma devatha on

the othe hand is pure genetics, the genes we acquire from our ancestors and

hence the affinity towards the deities they used to worship or were fond of just

like I explained earlier. for deeper understanding, read purans etc

 

Why should we care about these?. In bhagavat geetha lord Krishna says.

 

" shreyaansvadharmo viguNaH paradharmaatsvanuShTitaan "

" svadharme nidhanaM shreyaH paradharmo bhayaavahaH.. "

 

" shreyaansvadharrmo viguNaH paradharmaatsvanuShTitaan "

" svabhaavaniyataM karma kurvannaapnoti kilbiSham.. "

 

It does not imply that if by nature of gunas or by ancestory one should follow

the same path if that is very unethical & wrong. This is what we try to find out

through Astrology – what was there?, what is wrong? What is right? And how could

one go about correcting the wrong?.

 

As for the profession of your ancestors, I must admit I must have overlooked the

reality. Sun is pitra karaka and also is the karaka for medicines. Sun with

mercury is nipuna yoga which essentially means a person who use Logic like in

maths / science / engineering etc (In your Bhava Mercury is with Sun ). But when

Sun is along with venus, it indicates traditional subjects like medice etc. If

you want I shall quote the verses that implies this. But if you are learning, it

is better if you find out yourself. Pls understand that these are not the only

conditions that indicate ones profession. That is why I said, it is not easy to

answer all the questions here. It will take hours & pages of reading.

 

Further about great grandfathers being teachers : again it is directly

indicated. 9th from moon Jupiter (Guru) is exalted in the Chandra lagna in the

company of Rahu/ketu – prapitamaha & matamaha.

 

>I feel myself strongly attached to Shiva ji and Ganesh ji and not at all to

Vishnu ji.

 

The above are your own words – your own feeling that comes from within. Does it

not coincide with what I had written about the 4th house and Sun and Venus

placed there?. So, does choosing the Arya samaj path change what your are? (pls

note that I am not condemning Arya Samaj path or any others). or should you look

at Chara Karaka when it is right in front of you.

 

//Fifth: I learnt that the number of akshars one should have in his mantra for

praying the deity is determined by the bhava number in which ketu is placed in

the navamsa chart. Please elaborate on this and tell me the mantra too for Maa

Durga.//

 

Again this is a complicated issue. Ketu is considered Moksha karaka also. Ketu

represent deities such Ganasha (Skanda Purana), Yakshi, serpants, some forms of

devi such as karthyayani (fierce)etc. if you are very serious about the mantra,

refer sarada tilaka, one of the authentic texts on mantra shastra where it is

explained more deeply on how to find the mantra devatha from ones horoscope.

 

//Second: You calculated the ruling deities by checking the 4th house from

Chandra. But then BPHS (shlokas 63-74, Effects of Karak & #257; & #324; & #347;)

writes the way which I mentioned earlier i.e., looking for 12th house and 6th

from karkamsa (navamsa rasi of atmakarak graha) for isht devta and dharam devta.

Explain the confusion.//

 

Now let us examine using parasara methods of Chara Karaka. (I am not writing

this to start any controversy)

 

There are two school of thoughts when considering the Vargas such as navamsa.

a) to consider varga just like rasi chakra – considering the planets, aspects,

yogas just like rasi chakra.

b) Only to consider varga and consider those planets placed there in the rasi

chakra. Similarly, aspect of planet in the rasi chakra to that varga sign is

only considered. Simply put varga chakras are never considered are chakras at

all.

We usually use the second method. It is upto you to verify yourself and see what

is correct in your life.

 

You are aware that Atma Karaka is Saturn in your case and its navamsa falls in

Sagitarious, which is called karakamsa.

I am just reproducing some of the effects that are mentioned in BPHS. It is upto

you to verify them

 

If the karakamsa is Sagitarious ; " dhanuraamshe kramaducchaat patanaM

vaahanaadapi " If karakamsa is sagitarious, falls / failures / displacement,

outcast particularly from vehicles. (now of the people might have fallen from

their vehicles).

 

In the rasi chakra – Saturn is placed in the karakamsa

" shanau svaaMshagate jaato jaataH svakulochitakarmakR^it " . If Saturn be in (his

own amsa?) karakamsa he shall adopt a profession suitable to his vamsa. If this

correct, you should have choosen medicine or teaching instead of engineering.

 

If we consider the first method, we should consider, Jupiter & moon also.

" puurnendau bhogavaan vidvaan shukradriShte visheshataH " : if full moon is

placed there (which full moon ? from rasi chakra or amsa chakra) , the native

shall become fond of pleasures (sex?) particularly if venus is aspecting it.

 

" sukarma GYaananiShTashcha vedavit shvaaMshage gurau " if Jupiter be there one

does dharmic & right things, well learned, well behaved / having systematic life

and well versed in Vedas (reading a book or two does not make one " vedavit " )

 

See the effect of Sun in the 5th of Karakamsa : as per the 1st method " ravau

khaDgadharo jaataH " the native shall wield sword (soldier / protector).

 

As for deities Parasara provides only a few to be considered from 12th of

Karakamsa. Jaimini also helds similar opinion with the difference that parasara

clearly says planets should along with ketu to indicate the devatha while

jaimini does not.

 

6th from Amthya karaka: amathya Karaka is Venus with navamsa in Taurus , the 6th

from that sign is Tula. As per Jaimini, if this sign is occupied by sun one

shall worship Shiva & venus ; Laxmi.

 

Similarly analyze the other effects and find out for yourself.

 

As per parasara, Upasana is considered from Vimsamsa. If you consider no planet

is associated or aspecting the scorpio – 12th from karakamsa rasi. and if

consider Vimsamsa as chakra (1st method) , Capricorn becomes the karakamsa in

vimsamsa. Mars is placed in the 12th of Capricorn. You may see if the result

corresponds to you.

 

Parasara also teaches to use the Sthira Karakas also.

 

The laziness felt is not due to strong Moon, but attributed to the Jupiter

(exalted) : Kesari yoga , Hamsa Yoga. Jupiter being a slow moving planet and in

the dhanu navamsa carry the qualities of elephant – slow moving animal – but

posses immense strength. Hamsa (Swan) is also not a fast bird – but elegant.

 

Prasna Marga on the other hand goes much deeper into the variants of deities. As

Swamy Vivekananda commented: Kerala is a mad country – Mad about deities, their

forms, variants and combinations. You will surprised at the questions we have to

answer during prasna etc. whether at our place or in temples. But to learn

prasna marga, one has to learn other horas, sastras , smirities, puranas etc.

I have written this only to give you some idea on analyzing using various

methods.

 

Hope this shall help you

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

, " wicked_himanshu " <wicked_himanshu

wrote:

>

> Dear Suresh Babu

> Om

>

> Thank you for showering light on the topic. The material is really

knowledgeable and broad.

> After reading it, I have a few questions in mind.

>

> First: You mentioned about the isht devta but then shouldn't he be a vishu

avtaar because afterall, vishnu ji is the one who holds the sudarshan chakra

which in turn leads to moksha.

>

> Second: You calculated the ruling deities by checking the 4th house from

Chandra. But then BPHS (shlokas 63-74, Effects of Karak & #257; & #324; & #347;)

writes the way which I mentioned earlier i.e., looking for 12th house and 6th

from karkamsa (navamsa rasi of atmakarak graha) for isht devta and dharam devta.

Explain the confusion.

>

> Third: My ancestors are Arya Samaj followers and hence followed no deity. So I

would never know my dharam devta. What should one do in that case?

>

> Fourth: You mentioned that sun and venus being together shows that my family

did farming/business/owned lands. But this is not correct. My family, as far as

I know, was all into professional fields. My great great grandfather and my

great grandfather were teachers. My grandfather was a doctor and now my father

is in pharmaceutical firm. So how would you explain this?

>

> Fifth: I learnt that the number of akshars one should have in his mantra for

praying the deity is determined by the bhava number in which ketu is placed in

the navamsa chart. Please elaborate on this and tell me the mantra too for Maa

Durga.

>

> Sixth: Please explain the question I raised for shani (AK) and shukra (AmK).

Should I work towards making shani strong? Its vargottam graha too. I am into

engineering studies.

>

>

> What you wrote for anger superseding intelligence/analytical power is

absolutely correct. 90% of my decisions and choices are ruled by my arrogance

and anger. The pitt prakriti point which you mentioned is also true because I

feel it in me. But I am lazy and emotional and attaching too (traits of kapha

prakriti). I guess they may be due to the strong moon factor. Am I right?

>

> From all what you say, what I get is that throughout my life, I'll have to

work to make mangal better. I always knew this angry and irritable nature will

lead to nowhere!

>

> What you explained was great. I would love to read more from you on the points

I asked.

>

>

> Your eternal well-wisher

> Himanshu Bhatia