BLESSED?

May 12, 2009

Dear Vinay Jha Ji,

In Mrityuloka and Kaliyuga we all are bound in and limited by -- please educate

the great unwashed us why you call 'crap' nonsense? And why do you give up so

readily and call samkhya crap so readily? Are you not convinced that what you

propose and promote so passionately is worth no attention?

Maybe it is not " what " but 'HOW' that is the problem?

What do I know, after all, but the four yugas as everything else that is

mathematical take me back to jyotish. The quadruplicities, the four elements,

remind me as HOW!

I once wrote about Triplicities and Quadruplicities and while the concept may be

of no significance to modern jyotishis, it was a JOY when it was gifted to me to

get written.

What, How or When had never been a problem and nor has ever been WHO or WHERE!

Blessed then? Shall we leave it at that?

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> I hope " sensible " persons will keep away from " crap " (nonsense) like Saamkhya

& c and will devote their precious time to precious things.

>

> -VJ

>

> ________________________________

> vattem krishnan <bursar_99

>

> Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:12:39 AM

> Re: World Population...?

>

> Dear Dada,

> What is needed to understand is " " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap'

of magic, study and learn good things. "

> The forum has to get into some kind of learning that really supports the group

and time.

> with regards

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

> Re: World Population.. .?

>

> Monday, May 11, 2009, 7:09 PM

>

> Dear Vinay Ji,

>

> While I have no difficulty accepting that some bureaucracies may be fudging

some or all kinds of data for all kinds of reasons, I have a simple question:

>

> How will you, a serious researcher which I do not doubt at all that you are,

or anyone count the population and really figure out what the true headcount is

in the world at a given moment? I do realize that you seriously think about what

I am asking and the impossibility of such a quest!

>

> And secondly, do you not believe in reincarnation as many of us hindus (and

some other religions too) do? It is flattering ;-) that you make it sound as if

I am never going to come back and be reborn but I have so much to learn from

many human births still! As they say, I shall return and just as I do now in

some ways, I shall remember certain things when I return and pick up my mission

of observing the human beings and their wonderful richness, again and again.

Including their claims, myths and beliefs and above all their quest of REALITY

while they define it in so many ways, from so many perspectives.

>

> As to the census number, the number you quote of 6227 worldwide has already

been surpassed given that the estimates and census 'data' could be

underestimates and even they are hundreds of millions higher than this special

and concrete number that you speak of.

>

> Like any child I was very much enticed by magic and magicians. A magician yogi

came to our school and being the relative heavy weight he picked me out of the

crowd and asked me to stand on him as he lay down on two long serrated saw

blades! When he beckoned me to climb down, and showed his back with each

saw-tooth showing as a distinct triangle of blanched skin growing reddish as we

watched, I was very impressed and when all were gone, I asked him to teach me

how he did it. I still remember his glance which was almost wistful as he

replied sincerely, " Beta don't waste your time in all this 'crap' of magic,

study and learn good things. " I was kind of crest-fallen but looking back I

sense the sincerity in his gaze.

>

> Then a bit older, I had an occasion to watch the great showman magician P.C.

Sorcar. He was a great showman and all jovial and wonderful but during an act he

spilled some water on a hot flood light. The 2000Watt light popped into

smithereens and the 'light' on the stage suddenly went down perceptibly. Within

a few seconds, the jovial and all-powerful Great Magician turned into a

quivering, neurotic, mess, face twisted, contorted in subdued anger as he urged

his stage help to change the bulb " JAALDI KAARO! " .

>

> Only in these moments of stress which brings out the humanness that is within

all of us and which indeed makes us human are the glimpses of reality!

>

> RR

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > RR JI,

> >

> > You are citing figures based on projections of past trends. I have years of

experience in serious research works in demography. Census figures are neither

overestimates nor underestimates, esp in developing countries. They are

estimates made from sample surveys, falsely projected as real censuses by a

corrupt bureaucracy which is incapable of undertaking a rwal headcount. Times of

India had made a first page lead story of 2001 census of India, which showed ~25

million more children in 15-20 age groups (perhaps, i do not exactly remember

whether it was 10-15 or 15-20) than the age group 10 years junior in previous

census. In spite of many deaths, 0-5 0r 5-10 age group of 1991 Census added ~25

million new members in 2001 Census !!

> >

> > I hope and pray that you will live long to see my figure (6227 millions)

come true. I have used the term Brahmavaakya, which means I will go to Hell if I

am wrong. I can send you a detailed article, which is too esoteric to be made

public.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ == =====

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> >

> > Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:43 AM

> > World Population.. .?

> >

> > I found this URL that may be of interest:

> >

> > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html

> >

> > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions

and counting.

> >

> > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in

countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons.

> >

> > Very interesting. ..!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > ><SNIP>

> > >

> > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out

projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana

Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about

a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > -VJ

> >

> > <SNIP>

> >

May 12, 2009

RR Ji,

<<<why you call 'crap' nonsense? >>> Crap not only means nonsense, but excrement

too. We must be careful for our selection of words. I do not like the use of a

term 'crap' , although it has also has innocent meanings also, for Saamkhya

which is culmination of spiritual knowledge according to Gita.

<<< please educate the great unwashed us... >>> For such knowledge, contact

some teacher, some of whom are available online. I am not a teacher, esp for a

person some years senior to me. I do not miss the satire, but neglect to answer

in same vein.

<<< why do you give up so readily>>> I offered my article on population to you,

which you declined, and now you want my postmortem by those who have explicitly

said that my craps are not wanted on astrological fora. There are 56 + 14

members in two of my fora where I discuss things not wanted in other fora (one

of my fora is restricted to software support problems, and other forum is a

recent one, dealing with all aspects of Vedic astrology, including those which

" pious " astrologers think to be outside the scope of astrology.

<<< " Shall we leave it at that? " >>> You are leaving it at that by refusing to

see my article personally, before giving your valuable opinions about its

crapness for a sanctified forum.

<<< what you propose and promote so passionately >>>

I do not promote anything " passionately " . For me, all passion is sin. " Duraapana

vaata ivaahamsmi " , Urvashi says to pururavaa in Rgveda.

-VJ