Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 RR Ji, <<<< " if someone were to move from 60% success rate to say 95% success rate by using a different technique or a different ayanamsha or whatever, and the improvement is shown in otherwise fairly human jyotishis (no extrasensory help!), that to me would indicate a successful clinical trial. Won't you agree? Has such a human trial been conducted anywhere in the world? Perhaps that is what we all should be focusing on rather than talking about numbers that we cannot possibly estimate, let along count, such as actual world population or astrological accuracy! ...Too much kheer is bad for the teeth and the body. " >>>> All astrological softwares are released, or should be released, after a large number of tests. I released Kundalee in 2005 AD to many traditional astrologers of Hindi belt. I translated most essential pages into English only recently, that is why I started releasing it through internet and fora just 4 months ago. But even this English version was lying on my website since mid 2008. During all these years even prior to its first release in 2005, I have conducted thousands of clinical tests, and kundalee passed 100% of all after-the-event tests, although there were occassions my predictions failed due to my limitations either due to hurry or due to general limitations of humans to see holistically all facets of all charts related to a person. I published many examples of mundane astrology in 2005 AD in a Hindi book which is now out of print and is being enlarged for reprint. now, I am translating some portions and putting them on my webpages. If you use any service pack of XP, I am sure you will find no difficulty in installing the current version of Kundalee. It has removed many version-related problems. -VJ ============= ========== ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:48:38 AM Re: World Population...? Dear Vinay Ji, Now that we are beginning to get down to the nitty gritty, it seems that even with the best method or whatever, one will remain limited by their human-ness and their inaccuracy may diminish from say 40% to 37.65%, no matter what. In that instance would it be wise to change the methodology and move to something different just because someone says so? I dont think that would be pragmatic. Now if someone were to move from 60% success rate to say 95% success rate by using a different technique or a different ayanamsha or whatever, and the improvement is shown in otherwise fairly human jyotishis (no extrasensory help!), that to me would indicate a successful clinical trial. Won't you agree? Has such a human trial been conducted anywhere in the world? Perhaps that is what we all should be focusing on rather than talking about numbers that we cannot possibly estimate, let along count, such as actual world population or astrological accuracy! Too much kheer is bad for the teeth and the body... RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > RR JI, > > You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) ! Let us see what we get next ...! " > > > You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs. > > -VJ > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM > Re: World Population.. .? > > > > > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. > > Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... > > Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. > > I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs, > > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. > > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and > preciousness > > nature such great human efforts. > > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > > vrkrishnan > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > World Population.. .? > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > > > Very interesting. ..! > > > > RR > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > ><SNIP> > > > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > -VJ > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 That is good to know. Now no one will have to guess as you keep answering our questions and give background information. Isn't it a better use of your time? RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > RR Ji, > > <<<< " if someone were to move from 60% success rate to say 95% success rate by using a different technique or a different ayanamsha or whatever, and the improvement is shown in otherwise fairly human jyotishis (no extrasensory help!), that to me would indicate a successful clinical trial. Won't you agree? Has such a human trial been conducted anywhere in the world? Perhaps that is what we all should be focusing on rather than talking about numbers that we cannot possibly estimate, let along count, such as actual world population or astrological accuracy! ...Too much kheer is bad for the teeth and the body. " >>>> > > All astrological softwares are released, or should be released, after a large number of tests. I released Kundalee in 2005 AD to many traditional astrologers of Hindi belt. I translated most essential pages into English only recently, that is why I started releasing it through internet and fora just 4 months ago. But even this English version was lying on my website since mid 2008. During all these years even prior to its first release in 2005, I have conducted thousands of clinical tests, and kundalee passed 100% of all after-the-event tests, although there were occassions my predictions failed due to my limitations either due to hurry or due to general limitations of humans to see holistically all facets of all charts related to a person. > > I published many examples of mundane astrology in 2005 AD in a Hindi book which is now out of print and is being enlarged for reprint. now, I am translating some portions and putting them on my webpages. > > If you use any service pack of XP, I am sure you will find no difficulty in installing the current version of Kundalee. It has removed many version-related problems. > > -VJ > ============= ========== > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:48:38 AM > Re: World Population...? > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > Now that we are beginning to get down to the nitty gritty, it seems that even with the best method or whatever, one will remain limited by their human-ness and their inaccuracy may diminish from say 40% to 37.65%, no matter what. In that instance would it be wise to change the methodology and move to something different just because someone says so? I dont think that would be pragmatic. > > Now if someone were to move from 60% success rate to say 95% success rate by using a different technique or a different ayanamsha or whatever, and the improvement is shown in otherwise fairly human jyotishis (no extrasensory help!), that to me would indicate a successful clinical trial. Won't you agree? Has such a human trial been conducted anywhere in the world? Perhaps that is what we all should be focusing on rather than talking about numbers that we cannot possibly estimate, let along count, such as actual world population or astrological accuracy! > > Too much kheer is bad for the teeth and the body... > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > RR JI, > > > > You will certainlly get " some delicious 'kheer' pudding (arising within ??) ! Let us see what we get next ...! " > > > > > > You will see concrete evidence of 100% accurate method. I need some time to put it on internet. It is another point whether VJ or RR ji is 50% or 82% correct ; our human limitations does not make the science of astrology inaccurate, provided the methods are not whimsical and are firmly based on shaastras. There are so many charts in a single case and so many interrelations between those charts that we often make mistakes. Personally, I am not foolproof. But the method I speak of is foolproof, and I know how to prove it. I have to translate my works in Hindi, and put it on webpages, besides answering a large number of emails and updating my software, esp the English version which is incomplete. Hence, I need some time for presenting the proofs. > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Monday, May 11, 2009 7:42:32 AM > > Re: World Population.. .? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > > > Of course all of these are estimates because as I said, even if these relied on census and birth and death records which are a moving 'duck' as the expression goes (One that quacks and waddles like a duck ;-)) with births and deaths taking place all the time second to second -- the numbers would never be anything but underestimates as all know. > > > > Isn't astrology an 'estimate' also ;-) Unless we have someone here who has been 100% accurate with their predictions etc... > > > > Like Great Modern Varahmihira as Raman ji has been called, and rightly so given his astounding mundane predictions and yeoman service to the cause of Jyotish for decades and decades mentioned, I believe that Astrology is a study of trends and possibilities and Sri KN Rao has often mentioned that even the best astrologers go upto something like 82% success rate, overall. > > > > I feel a very strong hunger for some delicious 'kheer' pudding arising within! Let us see what we get next ...! > > > > RR > > > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > The date given and estimated figures are always tentative and these statistical compilation shall have some marginal errors of + or _ 2%( 07/01/09 6,790,062,216) .But can never be wild claculations. > > > Even brahma Vakyam too might have some vailidty.The base however will never be explicable to find any logic.we accept all these pronouncements from various siddhantas/authorit ies but very faithfully with out trying to read much into these pronouncements. > > > I know Shri Vinaya Ji takes lot of pains and does selfless and volunatary study in exploring siddhantas and making them useful for human consumption. For that he utilises his time and money too but does not want to signify the immense intrinsic value.Any information/ revealation that comes out of such great human enedeavour should appropriately should have some tag.It is not that some one intends to trade such immense and philonthropic efforts.To attempt and to do that is also cruel.But if we calculate the time spent,material consumed it is not that does not have value in pecuinary terms.For generous trading is utter bad and meaningless. But intended seekers of Knowldge certainly appreciate gestures of free service.keeping in mind that the future of Astrology and the need for it's growth and development it is worth to consider to value products on no profit and no loss basis.We also know the recent debate IPR too is meant for value addition and > > preciousness > > > nature such great human efforts. > > > Infact mining the data and put into in meaningful way and stucture it and prepare the material for test and utilisation further are significane endeavours.we like it and support them and whole hearted .with no room for insinnuations. But we can not remain as mute observers without compliments. But these wishes when they emnate whole heartedly have no other meaning except appreciation and only appreciation .if they sound otherwise,what else can be done except to make our stand very lucid.Always human views/expression are divergent and no body would like to condemn upright.But if read in a wrong sense one has to feel sorry about it.As RR said the two cents are free and frank opinions w/o looking for it's reactions/negative feelings > > > vrkrishnan > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > World Population.. .? > > > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this URL that may be of interest: > > > > > > http://www.census. gov/ipc/www/ popclockworld. html > > > > > > According to this the world population has already exceeded 6778 millions and counting. > > > > > > It is well known that census figures are underestimates, particularly in countries that are massively populated, for a variety of reasons. > > > > > > Very interesting. ..! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > ><SNIP> > > > > > > > > Human race will never reach 7 billions. Demographers are giving out projections base on past trends. But 6227 millions is the ultimate Lakshamana Rekhaa which mankind is incapable of crossing. You will find its proof in about a decade or two. It is a Brahma-vaakya. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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