Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Sushma Ji, The cycle ending on 2012 is of Mayan calendar and has no relevance either to modern science or to Vedic astrology. There are some internet site where you can get information about Mayan calendar by typing it in any search engine. -VJ ============= == , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee wrote: > > Dear Vinay Jha Ji > Jaya Siyaa Raam > <<World ending on 12-12-2012 is a figment of imagination created my some light minded persons who misused Mayan calendar out of context. Mayan calendar only says that old cycle will be completed in 2012, which does not mean world will end.>> > > So you are also of the opinion that the world is not going to end on that day. Good, I am happy to know that. > > If this is true what you said above, then what kind of old cycle will be ending on that day? and do you think that the old cycle ends in such an abrupt manner that one can give its date also? > > I think this should be the area of astrologers as they might be knowing by the combinations of planets and stars that what special even is going to happen on that day or around that day. > > Can somebody throw some light on this? > Thanks > With regards > Sushma > > > > , Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > Sushma ji, > > > > World ending on 12-12-2012 is a figment of imagination created my some light minded persons who misused Mayan calendar out of context. Mayan calendar only says that old cycle will be completed in 2012, which does not mean world will end. > > > > Internet is full of pseudo-experts who more often than not defeat the real experts by harassing and abusing. > > > > -Vinay jha > > > > =============== ===== > > > > > > ________________________________ > > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee@ > > > > Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:06:32 PM > > Re: Length of Divya Varsha > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Jha Ji > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > I wrote this, because if somebody does not agree with this measurement (one Divine year = 360 Human years) then some other statements also go either wrong or out of place. Such as Now a days there is a lot of hype that on 12th December of 2012 this world is going to end. > > > > This date does not fit anywhere according to our measurement of Time. If Kali Yug is of 432,000 years long, and Kalki Avataar is yet to come then there is no question that this worl can end on 12th Dec 2012. AND even if we say that Kali Yug is only 1200 years long, then it should have ended some 4,000 years ago, and the present Yug should be Sat Yug and it shold also be finishing soon being only 4,800 years long but since there are no signs of Sat Yug now, we cannot agree with the second assumption. > > > > In fact it shows that we must agree with the first assumption and there are no chances that the world is going to end in Dec 2012. > > > > And if we go for the first asumption, then I am really doubtful that all the physical places which are related to Raam are still at the same place where they were when Raam was there. > > > > Do you agree? > > With regards > > Sushma > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > bhagvatjee ji, > > > > > > > > > Sorry for a double jee/ji. Why should anyone be annoyed with genuine enquiries, excepting when the intention is personal attack mixed with deliberate misquotations, as Sunil bhattacharjya ji is doing. > > > > > > Please see To which tretayuga Lord Rama belonged ? (http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Lord_Rama_ %3A_Dating) > > > > > > You say : > > > <<< " People do not agree that one Divine year is equal to 360 human years - otherwise why should it be called Divine year? Both year can be called by the same name. ...Can we trust these sources? or do we have to seek some other ones? If yes, then which ones? " >>> > > > > > > I have given citations from Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, Brahma-sphuta- siddhanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vidhnu-dharmottara Purana, etc in my previous mails, which Sunil Ji ignores and harps on his personal theory that traditional mahayuga was of 12000 human years only and equating one divine year with 360 human years is Vinay Jha's invention. Your statement ( " People do not agree that one Divine year is equal to 360 human years " ) also amounts to same if I am not misinterpreting. > > > > > > It is another matter whether you believe Vedic-Puranic- Siddhantic (Jyotisha) timescales to be right or wrong. You have a right to disagree with those texts. You have a righ to shut down your eyes and not see the proofs. You can accept Biblical concept of 6000 years for the age of the world, or its double which Sunil Ji believes in. But no one has a right to misinterpret ancient texts deliberately, which clearly differentiate divine year from human year. Should I mention the verses of these ancient texts again, or can you invest some time to check those sources before asking me to accept a wrong view ? > > > > > > You are following a spurious version of BPHS which was thoroughly revised by a modern pandit to suit a particular regional (modern) school of jyotisha. I have forged a team of leading pandits of many Sanskrit universities and Sanskrit departments of general universities for collecting and comparing all available variants of BPHS in order to bring out a reliable critical edition of BPHS. The sanathana edition will also be used in this critical edition, but with caution, because NONE of its verses tally in wording with any manuscript. > > > > > > You can chnange your own writings, but to tamper with ancient texts is a crime. And a deliberate tampering with meanings is no lesser crime. Mahabharata, suryasiddhanta, etc clearly differentiate between Divya and Maanushya years, and explain the latter as solar, but you do not want to accept ancient view for some unspecified reason known only to you. Please do not feel offended with my hardline approach to texts : no one has a right to change the content of texts written by others, esp by persons who are no more to defend themselves. > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ============ ===== ==== > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > <bhagvatjee@ ...> > > > > > > Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:19:21 AM > > > Re: Length of Divya Varsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Jha JI > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > > I have been reading about the length of the Divine year for some time. People do not agree that one Divine year is equal to 360 human years - otherwise why should it be called Divine year? Both year can be called by the same name. > > > > > > Bhaagvat Puraan says that one Mahaa Yug consists of 4 Yug - Sat, Tretaa, Dwaapar and Kali. And they are in the proportion of 4:3:2:1 - means that Sat Yug contains 4800 Divine years, Tretaa 3600 Divine years, Dwaapar 2400 Divine years and Kali Yug is the shortest - only 1200 Divine years. > > > > > > Then if we convert these Divine years into Human years they become - 1,728,000; 1,296,000; 864,000 and 432,000 Human years respectively. > > > > > > Am I right up to here? I think the same measurementis given in MBH also. > > > > > > Since Krishn lived only for 123 Human years on this Earth, and as He went to His Lok, Kali Yug came; and people say that Kali Yug is only 5,000 Human years old - it means that Krishn was born only some 5123 Human years before. > > > > > > With the same assumption Raam was born in the end of Tretaa Yug. He ruled for 11,000 Human years. If Dwaapar Yug came when He left this Earth (like Krishn) it means that He should have been born 5,000 Human Years of (of Kali Yug) + at least 862,900 Human years (of Dwaapar Yug) = 867,900 Human years ago - at least. > > > > > > Am I right up to here? > > > > > > Further, Sir I beg your pardon for my ignorance, please correct me if I am wrong somewhere - is there any proof which can prove that Raam was born in this 28th Mahaa Yug only? And was not born in some other Mahaa Yug or even Kalp? > > > > > > Krishn's birth proof in this 28th Maha Yug is this that He was living in Ved Vyaas' times and Ved Vyaas Jee was in this 28th Dwaapar Yug. Vishnu Puraan gives the list of 28 Ved Vyaas and declares that Ashwatthaamaa will be the next 29th Ved Vyaas. > > > > > > Can we trust these sources? or do we have to seek some other ones? If yes, then which ones? > > > > > > I hope I have not annoyed you. > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Sushma Ji, Rgveda-x-191 says that all Kalpas are replicas of previous Kalpas, and this mantra forms part of sandhya-vandana (dhaataa yathaa poorvam akalpayat). You read Bhaagavat, why you missed one of the best passage of Bhaagavat where it is said that Teertha is where sadhus reside. If sadhus leave Haridwar, it will not remain a Teertha. The reason is that God resides in every heart but covertly, and it is only in a sadhu's heart that God is present to the sadhu overtly. Hence, sadhus make a teertha. Find some real sadhus and beg them to accept your sevaa : if the accept, that is your real Teertha. -VJ ============== ==== , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee wrote: > > Dear Vinaya Jha Ji > Jaya Siyaa Raam > In fact these queries arise in my mind when poor Bhakt go to Mathura or Ayodhya or Badaree Naath Jee, and there people show them the places saying that " This is the place where Raam was born " or " This is the place where Shyaam did such and such thing " . And the Bhakt believe that. There should be some logic behind all these things. > > If one asks them how do you say that, they reply, " It is written in our religious books. " Once my husband and daughter went to Pushkar Jee, I was reading some Puraan in those days and luckily I read about the importance of Pushkar Jee, so I told them to take bathn in Pushkar Jee and drink its water (at least a little bit). When he came back I asked them whether they did it? They said - " It was a very small pond and lots of fishes died in that water. It was smelling badly. You said to drink water, we culd not even touch the water. " > > Now how can one read about these Teerth and follow the things they talk about them? > > I mean it is not the talk of millions or billions of years, it is about relating them to present. After reading Bhaagvat I felt that it did not happen on this Earth. There should have been some other Earth or Earth-like planet. Later I came to know that its all description is of Saaraswat Kalp. Other Puraan are also of other Kalp. > > How then all these things are inter-related? > With regrds > Sushma > > > > , Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > Sushma ji, > > Your queries are about millions and billions of years, not about real problems of present age, esp of astrology. I am developing many free softwares, making 7 panchangas, writing research articles and books, delivering lectures in conferences, etc etc. Please remember that I work 16 hour a day, yet most of my tasks are behind schedule. > > -VJ > > > ________________________________ > > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee@ > > > > Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:50:24 PM > > Re: Length of Divya Varsha > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Jha Ji > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > So as per your explanation, Raam and Krishn come only once in a Kalp. In fact repetition of a Mahaa Yug is too much, but yes, repetition of Kalp is all right and seems logical. Since Hindi translations are not very consistent in using right words, sometimes they give confusion to the reader, especially who is reading first time and trying to absorb the things from the scratch. > > > > Tulasee Daas Ji also writes in his Maanas while giving the reasons of Raam Avataar that He took Avataar in separate Kalp for a separate reason. It shows that Raam doesn't come in every Mahaa Yug, but maybe in every Kalp, or as you say that every Kalp does not repeat 100% then maybe not even in every Kalp. > > > > I read your article bout the date of Raam's birth. If it is true then do you think that the same Ayodhyaa is still present? > > > > Thanks for clearing the concepts > > With regards > > Sushma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Dear Vinay Jha Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam <<You read Bhaagavat, why you missed one of the best passage of Bhaagavat where it is said that Teertha is where sadhus reside. If sadhus leave Haridwar, it will not remain a Teertha. The reason is that God resides in every heart but covertly, and it is only in a sadhu's heart that God is present to the sadhu overtly. Hence, sadhus make a teertha. Find some real sadhus and beg them to accept your sevaa : if the accept, that is your real Teertha.>> You are right in a theoritical way, and it should be like that way, and maybe in olden times that was the tradition; it may happen today also in this way also if a real saint livs in some unusual place, whn people will now about him they will come to him and it will be a holy place; but now in modern times it is the other way round. Teerth are made and then people go there to live. The places are sought, made known by propaganda and then people are taken there to do Teerth, and thus the news is spread around and the place gets developed as the Teerth. Otherwise how the people come to know where Shiv was married, or where Paarvatee Jee did Tapasyaa? Well it is long topic. You need not to extend it. With regards Sushma , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Sushma Ji, > > Rgveda-x-191 says that all Kalpas are replicas of previous Kalpas, and > this mantra forms part of sandhya-vandana (dhaataa yathaa poorvam > akalpayat). > > You read Bhaagavat, why you missed one of the best passage of Bhaagavat > where it is said that Teertha is where sadhus reside. If sadhus leave > Haridwar, it will not remain a Teertha. The reason is that God resides > in every heart but covertly, and it is only in a sadhu's heart that God > is present to the sadhu overtly. Hence, sadhus make a teertha. Find some > real sadhus and beg them to accept your sevaa : if the accept, that is > your real Teertha. > > -VJ > ============== ==== > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Vinaya Jha Ji > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > In fact these queries arise in my mind when poor Bhakt go to Mathura > or Ayodhya or Badaree Naath Jee, and there people show them the places > saying that " This is the place where Raam was born " or " This is the > place where Shyaam did such and such thing " . And the Bhakt believe that. > There should be some logic behind all these things. > > > > If one asks them how do you say that, they reply, " It is written in > our religious books. " Once my husband and daughter went to Pushkar Jee, > I was reading some Puraan in those days and luckily I read about the > importance of Pushkar Jee, so I told them to take bathn in Pushkar Jee > and drink its water (at least a little bit). When he came back I asked > them whether they did it? They said - " It was a very small pond and lots > of fishes died in that water. It was smelling badly. You said to drink > water, we culd not even touch the water. " > > > > Now how can one read about these Teerth and follow the things they > talk about them? > > > > I mean it is not the talk of millions or billions of years, it is > about relating them to present. After reading Bhaagvat I felt that it > did not happen on this Earth. There should have been some other Earth or > Earth-like planet. Later I came to know that its all description is of > Saaraswat Kalp. Other Puraan are also of other Kalp. > > > > How then all these things are inter-related? > > With regrds > > Sushma > > > > > > > > , Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > > > Sushma ji, > > > Your queries are about millions and billions of years, not about > real problems of present age, esp of astrology. I am developing many > free softwares, making 7 panchangas, writing research articles and > books, delivering lectures in conferences, etc etc. Please remember that > I work 16 hour a day, yet most of my tasks are behind schedule. > > > -VJ > > > > > ________________________________ > > > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee@ > > > > > > Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:50:24 PM > > > Re: Length of Divya Varsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Jha Ji > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > So as per your explanation, Raam and Krishn come only once in a > Kalp. In fact repetition of a Mahaa Yug is too much, but yes, repetition > of Kalp is all right and seems logical. Since Hindi translations are not > very consistent in using right words, sometimes they give confusion to > the reader, especially who is reading first time and trying to absorb > the things from the scratch. > > > > > > Tulasee Daas Ji also writes in his Maanas while giving the reasons > of Raam Avataar that He took Avataar in separate Kalp for a separate > reason. It shows that Raam doesn't come in every Mahaa Yug, but maybe in > every Kalp, or as you say that every Kalp does not repeat 100% then > maybe not even in every Kalp. > > > > > > I read your article bout the date of Raam's birth. If it is true > then do you think that the same Ayodhyaa is still present? > > > > > > Thanks for clearing the concepts > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Sushma Ji, My words were misplaced. I take my words back, to myself. I beg apology for unsolicited suggestions. -VJ ========== ===== ________________________________ bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:22:12 PM Re: Length of Divya Varsha Dear Vinay Jha Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam <<You read Bhaagavat, why you missed one of the best passage of Bhaagavat where it is said that Teertha is where sadhus reside. If sadhus leave Haridwar, it will not remain a Teertha. The reason is that God resides in every heart but covertly, and it is only in a sadhu's heart that God is present to the sadhu overtly. Hence, sadhus make a teertha. Find some real sadhus and beg them to accept your sevaa : if the accept, that is your real Teertha.>> You are right in a theoritical way, and it should be like that way, and maybe in olden times that was the tradition; it may happen today also in this way also if a real saint livs in some unusual place, whn people will now about him they will come to him and it will be a holy place; but now in modern times it is the other way round. Teerth are made and then people go there to live. The places are sought, made known by propaganda and then people are taken there to do Teerth, and thus the news is spread around and the place gets developed as the Teerth. Otherwise how the people come to know where Shiv was married, or where Paarvatee Jee did Tapasyaa? Well it is long topic. You need not to extend it. With regards Sushma , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Sushma Ji, > > Rgveda-x-191 says that all Kalpas are replicas of previous Kalpas, and > this mantra forms part of sandhya-vandana (dhaataa yathaa poorvam > akalpayat). > > You read Bhaagavat, why you missed one of the best passage of Bhaagavat > where it is said that Teertha is where sadhus reside. If sadhus leave > Haridwar, it will not remain a Teertha. The reason is that God resides > in every heart but covertly, and it is only in a sadhu's heart that God > is present to the sadhu overtly. Hence, sadhus make a teertha. Find some > real sadhus and beg them to accept your sevaa : if the accept, that is > your real Teertha. > > -VJ > ============ == ==== > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ > > wrote: > > > > Dear Vinaya Jha Ji > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > In fact these queries arise in my mind when poor Bhakt go to Mathura > or Ayodhya or Badaree Naath Jee, and there people show them the places > saying that " This is the place where Raam was born " or " This is the > place where Shyaam did such and such thing " . And the Bhakt believe that. > There should be some logic behind all these things. > > > > If one asks them how do you say that, they reply, " It is written in > our religious books. " Once my husband and daughter went to Pushkar Jee, > I was reading some Puraan in those days and luckily I read about the > importance of Pushkar Jee, so I told them to take bathn in Pushkar Jee > and drink its water (at least a little bit). When he came back I asked > them whether they did it? They said - " It was a very small pond and lots > of fishes died in that water. It was smelling badly. You said to drink > water, we culd not even touch the water. " > > > > Now how can one read about these Teerth and follow the things they > talk about them? > > > > I mean it is not the talk of millions or billions of years, it is > about relating them to present. After reading Bhaagvat I felt that it > did not happen on this Earth. There should have been some other Earth or > Earth-like planet. Later I came to know that its all description is of > Saaraswat Kalp. Other Puraan are also of other Kalp. > > > > How then all these things are inter-related? > > With regrds > > Sushma > > > > > > > > , Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > > > Sushma ji, > > > Your queries are about millions and billions of years, not about > real problems of present age, esp of astrology. I am developing many > free softwares, making 7 panchangas, writing research articles and > books, delivering lectures in conferences, etc etc. Please remember that > I work 16 hour a day, yet most of my tasks are behind schedule. > > > -VJ > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee@ > > > > > > Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:50:24 PM > > > Re: Length of Divya Varsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Jha Ji > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > So as per your explanation, Raam and Krishn come only once in a > Kalp. In fact repetition of a Mahaa Yug is too much, but yes, repetition > of Kalp is all right and seems logical. Since Hindi translations are not > very consistent in using right words, sometimes they give confusion to > the reader, especially who is reading first time and trying to absorb > the things from the scratch. > > > > > > Tulasee Daas Ji also writes in his Maanas while giving the reasons > of Raam Avataar that He took Avataar in separate Kalp for a separate > reason. It shows that Raam doesn't come in every Mahaa Yug, but maybe in > every Kalp, or as you say that every Kalp does not repeat 100% then > maybe not even in every Kalp. > > > > > > I read your article bout the date of Raam's birth. If it is true > then do you think that the same Ayodhyaa is still present? > > > > > > Thanks for clearing the concepts > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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