World Population : Saamkhya explanation ; Rationale of World Dominance

May 12, 2009

Shenoy Ji,

I explicitly named Saamkhya as the source of numbers of basic elements, and

quoted Gita for the sanctity of Saamkhya. Saamkhya-kaarika of Ishwarachandra is

the oldest good source book which I used. Saamkhya-darashanam in Sanskrit can be

downloaded from website of Maharishi Institute of Business Managemant in USA.

You mentio n " 5 elements + mind + soul " . It is a correct but simplified summary

of Saamkhya view. Soul is not a constituent element of any type of bhautika or

abhautika shareeras. hence, you are left with " 5 elements + mind " . 5 elements

have 5 panch-mahabootas plus panch- tanmaatraas, totalling 10 constituents. Mind

is a broad term which has two subdivisions : antah-karana and baahya-karanas,

which have respectively 3 and 10 subdivisions. See my original mail which

describes the 13 elements of kaarana-shareera. 5 bhautika elements like

prithvi-jala etc do not accompany the Jeeva after death. These 13 elements of

Saamkhya-shaastra of Kapil Muni accompany the Jeeva always, till final moksha.

You use the broad term mind for all these 13 constituents, some people use the

term chitta, while Saamkhya uses the term kaarana-shareera.

Do you want me to work on individual segments of human or non-human populations

? Mayas did not disappear. they are still being westernized, slowly. Even today,

Maya woman makes roti on tawaa in Indian style. But they have forgotten that

they are Mayans, due to centuries of brutal and false education & c. Excepting

USA and Canada, bulk of population in meso and south Americas is native, but

Christianized and westernized in varying degrees. There is a neat explanation

behind western hegemony in modern world according to Prithvi Chakra centred on

Meru :

In all varsha pravesha mesha samkraanti charts of the world, Sun is always

exalted, which means nations falling in Leo will be ALWAYS exalted, while other

nations will experience boom only when their planets become exalted. Look at the

Prithvi Chakra at

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010

You will find countries around south Sudan and Ethioipia near Meru, whose

hegemony is described even by Herodutus, and Egyptians also believed their

civilization came from south. Then came the age of Egyptians, followed by Greeks

ans then Romans. It was followed by Spain, France, Habsburg of Germany, and then

by Britain, followed lastly by North Americans. During the 42000 years of

avasarpini, as you recede from meru you find the region of hegemony. Now

utsarpini has begun. It means same process will be reversed : Euro-American

dominance will be followed by dominance by Near East.

But one point must not be forgotten. Venus has a distance of 0.723 AU, which

means it cannot move more than 44 degrees away fron Sun in a geocentric frame of

reference. Thus , if Sun is at start of Mesha, venus can be from 316 degrees to

44 degrees. Of these 88 degrees, 30 degrees in Meena is exaltated and 14 degrees

in Vrisha is svagrihi (own house). Hence, out of 88 degrees, 50% is very good

for regions ruled by Venus. It includes India, China andJapan. The implication

is that in the initial phase of 42000 year avasarpini phase, India dominated in

Asia and adjoining regions, followed by China and lastly by Japan. Now in the

utsarpini cycle, which is 36 times faster, we are witnessing reversal of trend :

China is now replacing Japan, and India has also started to take off so as to

realize its future role of world dominance.

-VJ

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sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:11:10 PM

Re: World Population : Saamkhya explanation 12/5- 87 B

Namasthe,

Dear Vinaj Ji,

I have been reading this with, I must admit with ammusement. Yet, Since you

mentioned some intrinsic principles regarding the subject & Bhagavat Geetha, I

have a doubt regarding the concept of numbers.

It is my understanding that all beings on this earth probably except Keeda

species are made up of the same 5 elements + mind + soul. If that is correct(?),

are we not talking (these numbers) about all the beings - animals including

human race?.

Is there any indication in the classical works that show that these numbers

mention specifically human race?. Even the Vishnu Avatharas represent the

evolution from Matsya to Manushya that is reperesented by the kalapurusha by its

famous & not so famous forms and is hence the essence of rasi chakra itself. So

if the so many avathars like narashimha , mahisha and also Sri Rama & Shri

Krisha etc represent the kalapurusha, I am wrong in saying that these numbers,

which as you say is brahma vakhya (no sarcasm meant) also represent all these

beings and NOT just the human population alone?.

It is not uncommon for some race to disappear from the face of this earth like

famous Mayas. Historians have been trying to fathom the reason without much

success with new theories & reasons found every now & then. What in your opinion

might have caused this?. It is illogical to say that abandoned their religion

and were converted to christianity or islam. This is evident from what is

happening to christianity or should I say Churchianity in Kerala. Christains in

kerala are slowly turning to hinduism their origin. Practically all the churches

have deepa sthambha and they try to mimick hindu festivals. Most of the churches

are built very near to temples. Malayattur is a mimickery of sabarimala. Most of

them have abandoned their traditional dressings and wear more like hindus. Even

their names are hindu names. It might be clever ruse to whoo the Hindu community

but I am tend to think this phenomena as a reversal of thinking. Though this is

not the point of

discussion, i reffered to it only to discount the loosing a civilisation to

another culture.

This is not to hurt you in any way.

With warm regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

>

> Monday, May 11, 2009 9:36:29 PM

> Re: World Population : Saamkhya explanation

>

> Prashant ji,

>

> You are too curious. I am supplying one of the reasons why 6227 millions and

no other figure, on the condition that I have no time for another useless

controversy. This 'reason " is rooted in ancient Saamkhya darshana, which Lord

Krishna eulogized as the culmination of Knowledge ( " na hi saamkhya samam

jnaanan, na hi yuga samam balam " ).

>

> There are two basic entities : Prakriti and Purusha. Purusha is pure

Consciousness and intrinsically indivisible, although individual manifestations

of purusha entertain illusions of separateness by dint of their bondage to flesh

as a result of their past karmas ensuing from desires. Saamkhya is philosophy of

the liberated souls, and therefore does not differentiate individual soul from

the Universal spirit, and labels both under a single term Jna, for which many

ignorant dvaitvaadins charged Saamkhya of atheism.

>

> Prakriti, on the other hand, has 23 constituents, apart from itself. On one

side, it has panch-mahabhootas (prithvi, jala...) and their five tan-maatraas

(roopa, rasa, gandha, sparsha, shabda). Remaing 13 elements for the kaarana

shareera and are therefore called karana (instruments) . There are three

antah-karanas : buddhi, ahamkaara and mana, and teh baahya-karanas : five

karma-indriyas and five jnaana-indriyas.

>

> The bhautika body does not accompany the soul after death. But the 13 elements

accompany the soul from time immemorial, and will continue to accompany till

final moksha.

>

> It is this kaarana-shareera which distinguises one jeeva from another.

Astrologers know that even twins have some dofference in their charts.

Similarly, all kaarana shareeras must have distinctive features to distinguish

one jeeva from other. These distinctive features are of two types. One type is

proportion of sins and virtues, which are stored in the form of desires with

indriyas as Gita says. Birth into human yoni is caused when sins and virtues are

approximately balanced with each other. Other type of distinctive features is

related to uniqueness of a jeeva within a particular yoni. Since there are 13

constituent elements of kaarana shareera which takes a body during rebirth,

there can be Factorial 13 (=13!) number of different distinctive combinations of

these 13 elements.

>

> To put it otherwise, a language with 13 letters in its alphabet will have a

maximum number of 13! different words in its language, on the condition that

all words must have all 13 elements and every individual word must be unique in

the sequence of these 13 letters.

>

> 13! is equal to 1 * 2 * 3 ..... *12 * 13 = 6,627,020,800 , or nearly 6227

millions.

>

> Sequence of 13 elements, with their unique proportions of sins and virtues,

determines the overall character of a person and it is something like a

translation of birthtime horoscope in another language. It is the actual GENETIC

code, wnich is non-physical and cannot be deciphered by biologists, but the

physical/chemical/ biological genetic code is a result of this non-physical

genetic code.

>

> In this sequence, if antah-karana elements take precedence and are pilots, the

person will be saaatvika and pious. But if the karma organ phallus occupies the

driving seat, the person will become a sex maniac, irrespective of other good

or bad qualities.

>

> During satyuga, antah-karana elements took precedence. Hence, Buddhi (saatvika

in-tellect capable of listening to in-tuition, different from modern

Machiavellian intelligence which is actually extelligence) was foremost leader,

followed by Ahamkaara and then my Mana (the egency of Samkalpa). These three

elements emained fixed in sequence, and only 10 indriyas could change places in

the genetic code. Hence, population was limited to 10!, or to 3,628,800 when

modern sub-specie of Homo Sapiens started evolving (actually devolving) in the

year 40000 BCE.

>

> One khanda-kalpa is of 43200 years, 42000 years of avasarpini (devolution) and

1200 years of utsarpini (evolution). In 2000 AD (Saura Makara Samkraanti) our

avasarpini kaala-khanda ended. During its 42000 years of devolution, population

and entire world history moved along a logarithmic timescale based on ten

defined by terrestrial loxodrome which is the path on Earth traversed by

successive eclipses during millenia. Logarithmic base of ten meant population

rose by one factorial point during one point on log scale. Hence, 42000 years

befor 2000 AD, population was at 10!, but 4200 years before 2000 AD population

rose to 11! or 40 millions in 2200 BC which demographers accept. And 420 years

befor 2000 AD, human population reached 12! or 479 millions in 1580 AD ;

demographers give estimates around 480 millions.

>

> After that the curve of population growth slowed down gradually, because 13!

is the Time Bomb for extinction of human race, which Nature strives to prevent

through various peaceful means like rise in impotency or unwillingness to have

children as well as through wars, diseases, etc.

>

> At the time of return journey of Comet Hare Paap (Hale Bopp), 4.2 years before

14th Jan 2000 AD , human population was equal to 5784634179 , given by

following equation :

>

> -1! + 2! - 3! + 4! - 5! + 6! - 7! + 8! - 9! + 10! - 11! + 12! - 13! =

>

> -1 + 2 - 6 + 24 - 120 + 720 - 5040 + 40320 - 362880 + 3628800 - 39916800 +

479001600 - 6227020800

>

> When you put these terms in a statistical Series, you get Sum = 57846 lakhs

which was actual population in the beginning of Nov 1995, 4.2 years before D-day

of 14 Jan 2000 AD.

>

> This population was short of 13! by 4424 lakhs. They were deviants, who

deviated from norms. Half of them deviated towards virtues, or at least rejected

to abide by the rules of Kaliyugi society, and the other half rejected all

morality and were uplifted (or downlifted) by D-day. These 2212 lakh sinners

were Doomsdayers who raised a great hue and cry over impending Doomsday in 2000

AD. Instead of repenting and expiating for their sins, they tried to save

others, and went headlong to Hell which their perverted brains imagined to be

Next Higher World. Hence, world population on 14 Jan 2000 was 6005827490 at the

time of Saurpakshiya Makara Samkraanti.

>

> Gregorian reform changed the onset of Christian calendar from Saurpakshiya

Makara Samkraanti which was Jan 1 prior to reforms in 1582 AD.

>

> 420 years before 2000 AD was a turning point in world history when 13th

factorial of population unfolded, after which Renaissance finally triumphed,

physical science and materialism suppressed astrology and religion, and pirates

looted the whole planet to bring about an Industrial Revolution, converting

farmers into labourers.

>

> When this 13th factorial was near its culmination, the last indriya upastha

(phallus) became free to take leadership roles. Homosexuality was even legalized

in many materially " advanced " societies. Even traditional societies became open

to free sex & c, forgetting that sex was meant for procreation and not for

entertainment. Scientists say Homo Sapiens evolved out of vegetarian primate

stock, but non-veg diet became a norm among the majority of those who could

afford, including most of the scientists. To be anti-natural in all walks of

life became a sign of progress at this 13! stage.

>

> After such (carnal) knowledge, what forgivance !(-Waste Land). Extinction of

in-tuition and of in-telligence, telepathy, religion, piety, innocence, etc, and

consequent extinction of libido and potency as well. Human potency has reduced

to half during past five decades, which is a sign of impending extinction.

>

> But nothing to worry about. The Devolutionary phase of avasarpini is over, and

evolutionary phase of utsarpini has just begun. Real Pralaya is 2.35 billions of

years away, and even khanda pralaya at the end of Kaliyuga is 426891 years away.

>

> If anyone thinks modern unnatural man is capable of evolving into a better

specie, it is a wishful figment of imagination. Species do not evolve

automatically. Mortals will never see the hands of Mother Nature, Who oversees

this miracle of Evolution, which we turn into Devolution.

>

> Nine years ago, an article like this would have invited threats and

> bullets from prophets of Doomsday, but now I do not expect more than

> some mild personal remarks or perhaps abuses. So much evolution has

> already taken place during nine years of utsarpini !

>

> I will not engage into any controversy. Those who differ will get proofs in

due course of time.

>

May 12, 2009

Namasthe,

Thank you for answering my doubt.

Though I am aware of the basic concept, I have not read or studied Sankhya

Sashtra / Phylosophy deeply.

From what you have mentioned, am I to understand that in simply terms that only

human race has these 13 elements that accompany the jeeva throughout its sojourn

till liberation, But other species do not have 13 elements. I am asking this

because you used the word " balanced " in your first post ie : 3+10 for human race

and for other species is it 13 in a different combination OR is it less than

13?. If it is less than 13, then number you had given can be considered to

reffering to Human species ONLY and that for other species we must compute

differently. I am right?.

With warm regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Shenoy Ji,

>

> I explicitly named Saamkhya as the source of numbers of basic elements, and

quoted Gita for the sanctity of Saamkhya. Saamkhya-kaarika of Ishwarachandra is

the oldest good source book which I used. Saamkhya-darashanam in Sanskrit can be

downloaded from website of Maharishi Institute of Business Managemant in USA.

>

> You mentio n " 5 elements + mind + soul " . It is a correct but simplified

summary of Saamkhya view. Soul is not a constituent element of any type of

bhautika or abhautika shareeras. hence, you are left with " 5 elements + mind " .

5 elements have 5 panch-mahabootas plus panch- tanmaatraas, totalling 10

constituents. Mind is a broad term which has two subdivisions : antah-karana and

baahya-karanas, which have respectively 3 and 10 subdivisions. See my original

mail which describes the 13 elements of kaarana-shareera. 5 bhautika elements

like prithvi-jala etc do not accompany the Jeeva after death. These 13 elements

of Saamkhya-shaastra of Kapil Muni accompany the Jeeva always, till final

moksha. You use the broad term mind for all these 13 constituents, some people

use the term chitta, while Saamkhya uses the term kaarana-shareera.

>

> Do you want me to work on individual segments of human or non-human

populations ? Mayas did not disappear. they are still being westernized, slowly.

Even today, Maya woman makes roti on tawaa in Indian style. But they have

forgotten that they are Mayans, due to centuries of brutal and false education

& c. Excepting USA and Canada, bulk of population in meso and south Americas is

native, but Christianized and westernized in varying degrees. There is a neat

explanation behind western hegemony in modern world according to Prithvi Chakra

centred on Meru :

>

> In all varsha pravesha mesha samkraanti charts of the world, Sun is always